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first for tau are reddit

Second for rip list builder

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>>53974591
You only make us stronger.

>>53974609
I like the fact that in a galaxy of stagnation, the tau are still developing technologically. That's a neat thing they have going for them lore wise. But they seem so boring to play. What's fun about them this edition?

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Main 40k friend bends rules a bit, is this normal?
>plays a clean game, until last turn, unit needs to be within 3" of obj to win, scatters 8" away, moves 6" toward, somehow closer than he started
>10 minute discussion of why my guys have to count 1" movement to get over every frickin pebble / barrel, then next turn all the genestealers on level below are attacking unit on level 3" above
>muh plasma squad definitively more than 4" away from his patriarch (width of the dreadnought base that he killed 2.5" plus more than 1.5" from unit behind), moves it without measuring at all and declares combat, "well it was so close I didn't even need to measure so I didn't think you would have a problem"

Has a nice table, space, doesn't smell bad. Deal with it or go back out into the wild FLGS trolling for non-thatguy players?

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>>53974620
>galaxy of stagnation
Don't need to develop new stuff when you've already finished science.

>>53974609
By laughing at you? What is this, some sort of masochist kink?

>>53974647
They haven't finished science though. There's a whole parallel dimension of natural phenomena that the monkeys call the warp. The necron know nothing about it.

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considering that yarrick and the armageddon ork hunters both are humans utilizing ork equipment, does this mean that humans might be able to generate something similar to the WAAAGH! field?

>>53974676
What do you think acts of faith are?

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Want to build an army for the first time! Is admech any good? What are some great units? Bad ones?

>>53974694
that's different tho, those are active miracles from what I understand
I'm referring to a passive field that tech such as the power klaw yarrick is using requires to function

>>53974643
If he's your friend just talk to him you autist. Say you'd prefer if everyone measured because it makes the game more tactical (or whatever)

>>53974745
The miracles come from the Emperor.
The Emperor is kept alive by the people's faith.
The more faith there is, the more powerful the Emperor, and therefore the miracles, becomes.

Ergo, WAAAGH! energy. It really is just a self-contained version of the emotion reflecting capabilities of the warp.

>>53974548

How is Genestealer Cult in 8th edition?

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After playing my firsr game of 8th today my oppnent and I were both newbies and had some questions we coudn't answer ourselves. Maybe you anons can help me:
>you get 2 cognis heavy stubbers on the Dunecrawler (AdMech/Skitarii) when you purchase the neutron laser + stubber for 25pts for it's points and the stubber as an extra 8pts right?
>does Dominus still heal a friendly unit in 3" range even when he is bound in melee combat? What about his own heal?
>how do necrons deal with morale in regards to their reanimation protocols?

Maybe you guys can clarify some things.

>>53974711
ad mech were mid tier in 7th, idk about new edition though, ad mech have two units i really like though, onager dunecrawlers and kastelan robots, duncrawlers with a neutron lasers are practically the best anti tank in the game and a dunecrawler with an icarus array melts flyers. Kastelans robots on the other hand can extremely durable and can be used as beautifully powerful close combat fighters or shooters that can pump out 18 s5 ap-2 shots each per turn. But with ad mech when choosing your hq choose a dominus whenever possible, they are just amazing at everything.

Finally tried 8th.
Played my ad mech vs full c/c tyranids.
Lost by anibble but man, had so much fucking fun.
the game is just so better than it used to be. Feels a lot more tactic too, and I felt there were no instances where my units or my opponents were completely useless(even if units feel more specialized than before).

Also, how bad it is to want to play only with power level? bringing models and putting a list in 5 seconds feels just too good.
i play only for fun and hate comp. speglords so i guess it's ok?

What is the general consensus on 8th, anyway?
Only people who actually played it plz, no theoryhammer or mathammer for now.

>>53974801
yes, probably(don't have the book on me now), he heals every turn regardless of the situation and morale tests are made counting loss from the current turn, so reanimation doesn't change anything

What're thoughts on Kult of Speed now? I know bikes put out a LOT of firepower, especially Nob bikes, and outrider on the trakks is neat, though deffkoptas are absurdly expensive.

is it just me or is tg full of ad mech players but whenever ive gone into my local shop there are no ad mech players, why is this, is everyone just on tg pretending to be a admech player because we are clearly the superior race

Bought two additional plague drones for my mech-oriented CSM, can anyone speak to how they play? They seem like more of a flanking or harassing unit against troops.

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>30 choppa boyz with waaagh banner, ghazghkull and a weirdboy casting warpath puts out 180 attacks

>>53974669
Actually, the Necron know quite a lot. They can siphon Warp energy and block the Warp entry to this universe.

Also warp stuff is sorcery, not science.

>>53974896
teegee has a higher proportion of guard and admech and it slants discussion and polls like so.
so don`t take it for a proper reflection of the community at large

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>>53974837
>Lost by anibble
>anibble

>>53974801
Yes and yes.
Dunno about the necrons and morale.
I suppose it depends on whether Slain and Removed from play are the same thing or not.
If they are, reanimation can bring back morale losses, if they aren't then those 'deaths' are permanent.

Shadowspectres seem pretty good.

Seriously, is the mega for books dead or what?

>>53974917
Science is a process by which you learn how the world you live in works.

The world the necrons live in includes the warp. "finishing" science would involve learning all there is to know about the warp.

In a universe where magic exists, magic is just another field of discovery to a scientist. Fucking Luddite.

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>>53974837
>anibble

>>53974711
Tried a game yesterday.
feels solid, a lot of stuff has been nerfed(thankfully)and now you have to think before acting.
vanguard are still great and now wound big targets easier(6+now grants 2 damage tho instead of 2 wounds so they are slightly worse at dealing with infantry), breachers are FINALLY useful(neutron lasers are still kinda shitty), dominus is now incredibly resilent, dragoons have improved durability but wont insta-kill vehicles like before and kastellans are now literally unkillable BUT have suffered a huge nerf in versatility.
if you give them double phosphor they won't be able to hit as hard as before in close combat, expecially against big targets like tyr big monsters(a hive tyrant charged them and kept them occupied for most of the game).
canticles are way weaker now but when used wisely can still make a difference.
>>53974954
>>53974924
meant to say "by just a bit"
No idea how it came out
Its 4 am and still have a lot of Munitorum work to do
Please don't report to my superior

I dont want to be turned into a servitor.

>>53974795
Purr cult has changed, chimaeras dropped in usefulness, goliath trucks and rockgrinders are way better, I'd say trucks are mandatory in pure cult lists. Aberrants got more useful now that initiative is gone. They chew up high wound models but aren't good for much else (anecdote: an unbuffed unit of 4 with hammers took 9 wounds off a dreadknight in one round). Metamorphs are garbage imo, the non-saw mining weapons are awesome, the seismic cannon got nerfed. The changes to reserves and the loss of summoning hurt, but things could easily get better with artifacts and strategems. We can now easily take AM and nid units. Want a baneblade? You can just take one. Solid mid tier imo, much less bookkeeping niw

>>53974954
>>53974924
CC nids

He lost by a
>nibble

>>53974795
Bad when your army is built around how they were meant to be played in 7th. bad in general really. you need more Sentinels / russes than ever

Half your army on the board fucks them hard, cult ambush nerfed, no return to the shadows + restock of men and little shitty min units with t3 5+ suck balls.

Of all the "you need formations to play aaand....Oops we deleted formations sorry :^)" armies i'm pretty sure GSC was hit the hardest seems Harlequins and Skitarri got off well.

>>53974950
The world I live in includes your butthole.

I've never been inside it but I know enough about it to know that I don't ever want to be there.

>>53974795
Able to take baneblades now, so theyve got that going for them

>>53974980
Hey sisters of basshole guy. Nice re-butt-al. hahaha, amirite?

>>53974969
>neutron lasers
meant torsion cannon

Reposting from the last thread for some feedback.
Any obvious problems with this list?

Dark Angel Battalion-

Asmodai
Ezekial

3x 5-man Tactical Squads w/MLs

Razorback w/Assault Cannon
2x Razorback w/Twin LC

Caestus Assault Ram

Deathwing Ancient w/THSS
Deathwing Apothecary
5-man Deathwing Knight Squad
2x Relic Whirlwind Scorpius

Asmodai, Ezekial and the Ancient boost the attack and give rerolls to the DWKnights who all hop into the Caestus and shoot across the field to hunt heretics. Scorpius's and Razorbacks give some supporting fire from downrange.

Thoughts?

People like to say that tau are terrible now
But wait till commander spam goes mainstream

Enjoy Deepstrike into melta range with 4 fusions at BS 2+. With easily acquired reroll 1`s to hit.
For all of about 160 pts? It can deepstrike and potentially kill a land raider in one phase

tau should do just fine in 8th, they need not sob about no fromage in the fridge

Does anyone have the Space Marine booklet that comes with the starter? Only seen the Death Guard one.

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41st for "Thick is only a state of mind"

WHERE
IS
BOOK
MEGA

ARE YOU ALL SUCH COLOSSAL FAGGOTS NOWADAYS THAT YOU CAN'T GIVE A SIMPLE ANSWER

Holy shit lel, this speech guilliman gives in Dark Imperium

>These changes will benefit us all, and in time will aid the Imperium. I intend to make Ultramar a model of what the Imperium can be
>Look beyond your own borders - you will see our empire is crumbling!
>I will shore up the walls and make it great again.

That HAS to be on fucking purpose

>>53975001
You realize that your Knights will be shot off the board unless they teleport right? And that Asmodai and Ezekiel can't do that?

>>53975036
which one? The novels are gone just so you know.

>spoonfeeding

>>53975088
Fucking thank you.

>>53974970
>Aberrants got more useful now that initiative is gone. They chew up high wound models but aren't good for much else

Really? Aberrant somehow seem even shitter, and i always liked them so it hurts. the loss of FNP is awful + no synergy with the Iconward (He sucks dick anyway)

Armoured Sents and Metamorph's are beyond pointless-tier. Rockgrinders seem good on paper but i don't see them getting up the field

The Patriarch seems okay but you really need to take at least 2+ Primus now for his reroll. the loss of anything even remotely like the Subterranean uprising means every unit is just praying for a 5+ roll on a single d6. Plus you really want a Psyker for Hypnosis or maybe MC so really HQ slots are just gonna be Primus/Magus

Pure cult seems weak as hell, and i never even abused summoning before.

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>/tg/ goes on and on about how orks are broken now
>take orks out of storage and go down to the GW for a game
>end up doing 2000 points against space marines
>gorkanaut is killed turn 1 by plasma cannon devastators and lascannon predator
>turn both my trukks are destroyed, boyz on foot now
>2 tactical squads rapidfire and completely wipe out a unit of 30 boyz that were teleported across the field by a weirdboy (failed their charge)
>biker warboss and nob bikers killed off by lascannon fire

w...waagh

>>53975095
there's a big difference between spoonfeeding and just being a giant faggot, you massive queer.

>>53974871

Im going to build one which involves spamming boyz in trukks. I plan to sprinkle the list with buggies, koptas, bikes, some bug gunz and maybe a flyer for flavor.

Not a fan of nobz on bikes. I love the idea of nobz, but I've never actually fielded them as a unit and I've been playing since 3rd ed...

>>53975028
And a state of head thickness.

>>53975036
In the OP, friend.

>>53975137
sounds like you got unlucky or you made a really bad list

>>53974821
Good to know. Those looked like the ones I was most interested in, aside from electropriests.

>>53975159
I thought the point of 8th was that there were no bad lists, you could play un-optimized, fluffy lists and still keep up

>>53975137
well, they're good, but they're not "I play retarded and still win good"

>>53975146
Wachu got against Abhumans?

>>53975137

Git gud

>>53975028
Bullgyrn are so fun now. A conga line of muscle beating everything down.

>>53975175
>no bad lists

you dun goofed and got shenangled

>>53974969
Good to know, thanks! I want to know how good the electro priests are, since that crazy rule about their mortal wound field seems great.

>tfw elysian drop troops can take krak grenades for 0 points, then get an order on them turning all their weapons into assault weapons, letting them fire a lasgun and throw 2 grenades each model

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>>53975064

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>>53974643
>tfw your friend is discovered to be a waacfag

>>53975072
Asmodai and Ezekiel both go in the Caestus with the Knights.

Who the fuck thought orikan +4 ghost arcs with fuck your shit quantum shielding supporting 6x20 squads of warriors was balanced. Because it's bullshit.

>>53975187
pic related

>>53975146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>>53974548
>List Builder got squatted
Well fuck. I don't suppose he had a git repo to clone?

Oh well. I guess I'll build a desktop/mobile app. Sounds like a useful thing to do and I kind of hate the fucking index layouts.

So is having 2-3 command squads loaded with special weapons the new meta for mech guard?

>12 bs3+ plasma guns hop out of a chimera

Huehuehuehue

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Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again

>>53974643
call him out on his bullshit and see what happens

stop being a pussy

>>53975146
Filthy dumb tripfag scum

>>53975191
Except it explicitly states only one guy can throw a grenade per turn because reasons.

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>>53975191

>>53975187
never used electro priest so far because they were beyond useless before, but on paper they seem like INCREDIBLY powerful.

i always loved their model, so i'll grab a fewof boxes asap. Close combat mechanicus list, here i come!

Orks are still shit unless you monobuild boy mobz and weirdboyz

>>53975211
The same person who thought universal 5++ and -1 to hit made for a fun experience when fighting DE? At least nurgle in fantasy is slow and not super deadly. Everyone knows MoN is bananas but it's either super expensive or on weak combat units and only works in melee. Meanwhile in 40k..

>>53975256
Multiple units of 5 sisters for grenade spam... something I want to try now.

>>53975250
>>53975256
They didn't fix that? What the hell man.

>>53975256
Does this apply to overwatch too?

>>53975234
That or Scions in Taurox Primes.

>>53975256
>>53975250

The order makes all weapons into the Assault type.

That means the frag and krak grenades are no longer grenade type, they are assault type. Grenade is a weapon type, such as "Grenade D6". A frag grenade would now read "Assault D6"

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>>53974916
>10 elite Wolfguard with Stormbolters and Chainswords next to a Wulfen unit and a Wolf Priest.
>Fire 40 rapid fire shots then charge for 40 melee attacks.
>easily btfo by 30 dirt cheap retards wielding pieces of junk who barely know how to swing.
>most play tested edition ever
bravo gw

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Why are people so upset at the list maker not working when it's not that hard to manually make lists, even without pen and paper?
I don't even know where to start with Necrons outside of the Cryptek/Ark/Warrior combo, hlep

Best forge world characters in 8th?

Lias raptor chapter master
Sons of Medusa guy

Imo.

>>53975211
>ghost arks
>laughingdarkeldarwhores.jpg

they get their shit pushed in by the knife ears

>>53975289
Yeah, that won't last past the FAQ

>>53975002
Must remain 9 inches plus away.
9 inches is half for melta.
Try again.

>>53975290
How the fuck is that unit of boyz going to get into combat?

If they get teleported, theyre leaving all their support unit sbehind and will suck shit

If they footslog, they can get killed with ease before getting halfway there

>>53975239
who dat

>>53975263
Getting across the map is gonna be incredibly hard for you, though, since no transport.

>>53975343
weight of numbers

Is there any restriction stopping my GK Librarian from taking a Storm Shield? The index says to follow the SM Lib in Termie armor and apply the extra rules, but doesn't say anything about ranged weapons/offhand.

>>53975125
The rockgrinders is pretty quick now, especially with the flamer. Allied tropes seem like they'll really help, catalyst give the old 5+++, and onslaught let's you advance shoot and charge for only WC6. Pure cult is in a pretty rough spot right now for sure though. The key is making good use of neophytes and acolytes. While a 5+ ambush is awesome, you can't operate on the assumption you will get it. Abuse the new unit rules to fight the 50% rule (ex rockgrinder, 5 acolytes and a primus counts as 3 units by putting a single model on the table, great for deploying first). Primus makes a rockginder have 6 + d3 attacks hitting at 4+ on the charge. Trucks with kitted neophytes have decent dakka and are surprisingly durable. Pedestrians and acolytes tens to vaporize whatever they touch

>>53975303
Lias Issodon does look both fun and powerful.

>>53975187
>>53975263
>tfw hate electro priests models but their rules are good
time to kms

At least Sicarians are still semi-viable.

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>>53975264
This

Trukka boyz are crap as usual

Fuck it: Anything in a Trukk is still shit
Kommandos still suck dick
Stormboyz without Zag are shit (Zag isn't even very good)
Shokk Gun is crap
Big Meks are just boring and pointless fucking Warpsmith-tier pieces of shit
Bikers suck due to leadership if not near a boyz mob/Warboss
Flash gitz still paper thin 6+ save

8th is just lame Boyz/Warphead spam. Goff/Snakebite players get to have fun and every other Klan is just given the finger

>>53975359
i dont know a single ranged-heavy list that would struggle to put down 60-90 boyz before they reach them

Unless you run literally ONLY boyz, youre going to have a fucking bad time

>>53975289
That's not how it works, and you will never find anyone stupid enough to fall for your attempt at rules manipulation or play it that way.

fuck yeah, just sold some custodes (guy looked happy as fuck) and the DG from the new box. Anything cool happen to you boys today? Also any DAfags wanna tell me how good blackknights are this time around?

>>53975379
why not convert some other dudes to fill the role?

>>53975303
Sons of Medusa guy costs 200 points and has 3 attacks.

>>53974711
>is that a fucken zaku

>>53975343
30 unbuffed boyz still have 120 melee attacks and 30 pistol shots. They reroll charges naturally to fish for 6s and can then cp reroll to get in off da jump. They're only a distraction for the 90 stormboyz that will get there on their own turn 2.

>>53975396
No, RAW, that is how it works. But it will be faq'd.

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>>53975396
Are grenades not weapons? They're in the ranged weapon wargear section.

>>53974946
Second for asking

>>53975390
So list one.

Because here's the thing. If you think 24 inch bolters and lasguns enmasse is going to stop multiple units of 30 boys you're dead wrong.

You get 2 turns of shooting max before those orks are in hand to hand combat.

>>53975355
I think i'll just use them as a screen to protect my shooties from close combat units.
last game my opponent used swarmlord to go super fast with a blob of gaunt which then piled in 6" and got my dominus, kastellant and breachers engaged.
Ideployed a screen of vanguards in an horizzontal line to prevent it but it wasnt enough, since they got obliterated in 10 seconds

what epub reader do the mega files work with firefox?

Is Cassius' deathwatch squad still a unit I can field?

Or am I now stuck with a single assault marine, a single heavy flamer terminator, and a single bike with no use for them?

>>53975340

>Homing beacon

>>53975143
Nobs as a unit always felt to pricey to be effective, but they really improved this edition. For 4 pts, give the biker Nobs kustom shootas, and you're getting 10 shots a boy, while still getting 4 S5 attacks in combat. And big choppas are an actual option now, so you don't need to dump points in power klaws to be effective. I think a small mob of them backing up some regular bikes is a solid choice.

Are there any non-marine mono-god chaos builds that work for 8E?

I'm looking to start something different as a second army but nothing with power armor.

>>53975440
vultures put out 40 fucking shots
heavy bolter weapon teams will be removing swathes of orks
punisher cannons out the ass
wyverns out the ass

i have zero doubt you could kill 90-120 orks before they could touch you

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>>53975455
>firefox

thinking of getting into 8th edition death guard. a shop near me is selling just the death guard half the the new box for $60. is that a good price?

>>53975472
>I can list tailor against a specific type of list

And when I put a dozen killer can, deffdreads, and gorkanauts on the board what will your heavy bolter teams and punisher cannons do besides die?

>>53975475
fuck off /g/

What the fuck was 1d4chan on when they said the Defiler was good? It's still the same worthless Schizo piece of shit it's been since 6th!

>>53975412
I'm not a fan of converting units when they have official models.

>>53975490
more or less.

You can get all the deathguard stuff for like $40-50 with free shipping if you check ebay, or simply ask someone that has them and doesn't want them.

>>53974801
You have to pay for both, so a total of 16 points, not 8.

>>53975490
I guess yeah.

>>53975506
>1d4chan
>>>/r/warhammer

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>>53975475
>using anti-american chrome browser

>>53975435
Please link the facebook page of the chump who let's you do this, as I have some garbage to sell him disguised as magic beans.

>>53975492
kill them with extreme weight of fire?

>"oh thats an interesting idea, I wonder if I can fit it in my core block"
>"Hey guys, a big pile of bad news now…"
lel thats like the third time today, I have the memory of a goldfish

>>53975588
Thanks Nu-GW!

>>53975588
it sucks, i liked the the ui of that army builder alot.

fucking jewscribe is the only thing to use till GW puts out their army builder™ for the low low price of $50!

Where are the secutarii rules I cant see them in the FW indices?

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>>53975506
>'Tactics' on 1d4chan
>Implying that those chucklefucks can be taken serious

>>53975396
>>53975429
>>53975435
I read that as "...that is >equipped with Grenades may throw one >instead...:"
So if you're equipped with grenades one model can use that weapon profile which in that one situation would become an assault so yes you could run and throw a grenade but still only one model can do that.

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>>53975506
1d4chan is a joke wiki, its not to be taken seriously.

Opinions on death watch flyer? Looks solid. Death watch terminators with triple heavy flamer seem like they would roast as well.

Pill me on death watch, bros.

>>53974946
>>53975439
I have my own huge mega library full of books. Will link for dark imperium rulebook pdfs/epubs

>>53975137
So you're going to give up after one game?

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I like gundam, but I hate Tau. What should I play.

>>53975588
>>53975618
>>53975624
I honestly think they fucked up by taking it down, I bought so many models because I was easily able to find ways to fit them in my list or think up cool/crazy fun/fluffy builds. Now I can almost guarantee I will be running a few very specific lists and dodging purchases til the next rule rewrite is out

>>53975695
Any more and he'd have to admit that he's just bad. One game tho and he can still maintain that belief that everyone else is wrong not him.

>>53975137
it's your fault for being a weedy git and not using all boys on foot for a proper crump

>>53975702
Knights & Titans

>>53975702
A different game.

>>53975702
Titanfall 2 ?

Assuming gundams are big weeb steered robots.

>>53975702
Knights and maybe Wraithhost

>>53975639

got ta wait til fires of ILL NEVER FUCKING BE RELEASED

>>53975702
Eldar, Primaris marines.

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>>53975745
>Prepare for Tau'tin Fall

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>>53975757
>MFW FW can't finish a book before the edition during which they started making it is outdated

Guys

How viable is an imperial army that mainly consists of tanks with a few units of conscripts for support? I like imps but I can't be arsed to paint a shit ton of infantry.

>>53975757
>got ta wait
Wait waht? they said every unit would have rules?

>>53975780
[*INCOHERENT ANGER*]

Did anyone ever post what converter they were using on these Epubs? Calibre crashes for me.

>>53975772
That's pretty good. If only Titanfall/2 wasn't dead on PC.

>>53975781
>Doesn't want to paint a shit ton of infantry
>Conscripts
The fuck do you think you'll be doing jackass?

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>>53975702
Marines probably.

Why is a leman russ conqueror 19 points less than a battle cannon russ

Just use battlescribe you fags

>>53975835
Without even knowing the stats range is my first guess.

>>53975675
Who is this semen demon?

>>53975849
48 inches instead of 72, the gun is otherwise identical, gets a free coax storm bolter, and if you shoot the storm bolter at the same target as the gun the gun gets rerolls.

>>53975796
FW are extremely skilled when it comes to delays. When it isn't marines or a walker (and even then) it will always take longer than at first promised.

And then it's cancelled

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>>53975848
>using jewscribes

>>53975848
Battlescribe looks like shit and gives you poorly formatted lists. Eat shit nigger.

>>53975796

>believing forge worlds fucking lies
famalam

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Reposting because I didn't realize it was an old thread.

>>53973694 #
That's one of the main reasons why I don't play chaos.

I like their lore but the models are just utter shit. I would prefer to just use regular space marine models for chaos but you can't do a chaos army without all of their ugly speciality units.

>>53973718 #
Spending ~$70+ per unit of 10 troops and they can't be arsed to paint then properly? Wtf?

>>53973728 #
>Implying ALL Chaos cults are treated like shit

>>53975728
>>53975747
>>53975827
Good to know. A Zeon-themed army of SM and knights would be rad

>>53975848
Battlescribe is riddled with rule errors and missing options.

>Needing a program to hold your hand when writing an armylist

>>53975848
>>53975876
Excel is best listmaker! All the joys of Battlescribe with none of the takedown notices!

>>53975885
>wanting a clean aesthetic on the guys who have lived for 10,000 years in and out of the Warp, which corrupts even the mightiest heroes with the exception of Kaldor Draigo
I bet you don't like Daemons either

is battlescribe dying too?

Why is there a 40k general if there are always 15+ other 40k threads at any given time?

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>>53975925
its like you are forgetting this board was built on 40k's back.

>>53975946
>commie smasher

>>53975881
GW said that. Right at the beginning of the 8th hype. Fucking salty.

>>53975981
same pile different shit

What are your thoughts on Stelek's review of 8th?

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>>53976000
>Stelek

people still listen to that fag?

>>53975999
>Tzeentch trips speaking the truth

How is this possible ?

>>53974607
Never forgotten
If new GW is really new, we will see the builder again
Unless the only thing new at GW is their CEO and facebook team, then it's old GW with a new face.

>>53976024
Lel
He still seems to think he's king of the mountain.

>>53976034
maybe its different pile same shit?

>>53975925

Cause everything needs a thread
And sometimes the general is just shit

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>>53975679
It is solid.

If you want to shoot things at 8 inches tho you want frag cannons, duderino. Enjoy 8D6 S6 AP-1 shots from 4 guys.

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My Atrapos is happy.

A bit less dangerous shooting but much more deadly in CC and tougher to boot.

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Rate my list made using superior army roster program

>>53974950
The Warp is another universe. It doesn't count.

>>53975911
When I say clean I mean more clean as in consistent design throughout rather than random nonsensical patterns that are ugly. Death Guard is a step in the right direction because it has a nice looking industrial look about em. All the other stuff though looks inconsistent as fuck and generally unappealing to the eye

>>53976073
Tell me moar.

>>53976083
Don't take rhinos without putting 2 storm bolters on them. It's a huge waste of points to not give them firepower.

Anyone have the link for horus heresy books? ty in advance

>>53976131
Try the horus heresy thread, dipshit.

>>53976085
Yet the Necrons know (or knew) enough about it to construct shit that kept that dimension from entering our dimension properly. Necrons are also masters of taking things ilke your brain perhaps to another dimension.

>>53974647
Aren't the crypteks always making new shit? Like, pariahs and stuff?

>>53976085
The warp is a part of the multiverse, which one can enter and exit. Science would extend to learning about it.

>>53976131
I still got them. You're welcome.

Which of the books is the non-AM imperial stuff from forgeworld? I'm trying to find the SOB Repressor

>>53976123
With 4 frag cannons, heavy flamer terminator, and 5 shotguns, my son. Shoot 14d6 shots until it is done.

After some games, I'm thinking one jump pack dude with a hand flamer would be worth it to be able to fall back from combat and shoot again.

>painting acolytes
>leave a pot open because I'm not sure if I'll need more for the palette
>knock it over because I'm a complete and utter retard with the hand eye coordination of a blind toddler on a sugar rush
Thank fucking god it didnt get in the carpet.

>>53976141
meanie

>generic dark angels company master has Unforgiven which grants them fearless
>sammael, master of the ravenwing, only has ATSKNF
T-thanks gw...

Any R&H players get a chance to read the new book? I feel odd that Ogryn are better shots than Heavy weapons teams, They put in the Cultists from the main Chaos book. And the commander is pretty meh. But those Ogryn and Chaos hounds man.

>>53976228
Cool. Thanks for the blog post

>>53976083
F/10

What are you using as your techmarine. I dislike the master of the forge model and wish there was a better generic techmarine with a single servo arm.

Thinking of messing with Sgt Chronus?

Also, looks interesting. I like the two stormtalons with lascannons.

>>53976257
I'm sorry I'll just shut up and wait for the tranny arguments to start up again.

What the hell is the point of sentinels now? They're no longer a mobile weapons platform, cause the second they move they hit on 5+

>>53976228
Was it a mostly full pot of nuln oil? Because it always is.

>>53976278
They're more mobile, tougher heavy weapon teams. Yeah they cant move and fire anymore but you can get them into a good position much faster than with a HWT and they'll take a lot more punishment than one.

>>53976292
Mostly full pot of reikland fleshshade. My table is a bit browner.

>>53976102
I wouldn't mind if they were consistent and high quality, but at the moment they're trash. (Outside of Thousand Son's and Death Guard, but I have no interest in either of them.)

"How can we differentiate chaos models from the normal ones?"
"Add skulls."
"The normal ones are already covered in skulls."
"Fuck. Add MORE skulls and spikes. LOTS of spikes!"
"Great idea! While we're at it I'll throw in a ton of greenstuff so half of them look like deformed blobs!"

>>53976292
It's always the nuln oil isnt it?

Rarely it's the white or the Abaddon black.

>>53976333
solution: paint on a red toned wood table.

And yeah, always the damn wash pot catches the edge of your hand. I'm neurotic about it now.

The epubs don't work for me.

Could someone please post the stats for the eldar shadow spectres and their phoenix lad?

>>53976310
Yeah or you could just get a whole squad of heavy weapon teams for the cost of 1 sentinel

>>53975137
Shh don't tell them that hordes aren't anywhere near as good as they think they are.
I want to buy tons of cheap guardsmen and orks on ebay once all the WAACfags figure out that they fucked up

>>53976394
use readium with chrome
i think its the only way they work

>>53976368

It's uncanny, really. I didn't believe it until I knocked over some camoshade. Hell, just the other day my friend just getting into the hobby texted saying that he knocked over his Nuln

>>53976228
That's why I'm fucking autistic about keeping my paint pots closed whenever I'm not directly pulling paint out of them. I must have knocked over my Nuln Oil about a dozen times this month but it's always been closed.

>>53975675
sauce?

>>53976395
Yes its called decision making. Do you want to take cheaper, overall less durable weapon teams that wont be able to cover as much ground or do you take sentinels?

>>53975239
I almost feel bad for him, almost.
All his dirty tricks from 7th edition don't work, and now he actually has to be good at the game to win, and suddenly he's losing left and right.

I'm surprised they didn't include Alpha Legion in the new Chaos rulebook. I wonder if that means they might be getting their own new models?

>>53976438
Who is he?

>>53976000
literally who?

>>53976428
I guess I could see sentinels almost being worth it for the more expensive Heavy Weapons.

>>53976168
Nope. Science is based on the concept of Universalism, IE the same laws apply everywhere. The Warp is a different dimension with different laws, you might be able to apply the scientific method (you can't in fact) but it isn't science.

>>53976438
Who is he, some tourneyfag or something?

>>53976368
>>53976417
You knock over other pots, the only reason you remember washes is because they spill everywhere almost immediately.

>>53976541
A squadron with lascannons will definitely make their points back. Meltaguns even have trouble busting them sometimes and you can redeploy really fast.

>>53976339
>it's the white or the Abaddon black
people buy that shit?

Just get a pot of generic white and black paint from walmart.

240ml for like $4, compared to GW's 12ml for $3.50

>>53976142
>>53974917
I wish there were more scifi-ish alternate universes to act as a foil for the Warp, and give us more weird alien races to bolster the 40k faction roster. Like returning Old One species or super unstable time travelling robot monstrocities etc.

>>53976614
poor fag spotted

>>53976123

Are the shotguns needed? I'm thinking of taking multiple of these units, 2-3 flyers, Artemis and maybe rifle dreads to fill it out. Seems really strong, actually.

>>53976626
There are.

The eldar live in one.

The dark eldar live in commoragh inside of another.

Necron Deathmarks travel through a 3rd

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>>53976614
not trying to shill, but atleast tell him to get the cheaper wargaming model paint instead of apple barrel shit.

>>53975806
NO I have been trying all day to convert these to PDF so I can print out only the specific pages I need. All the EPUB readers that work wont allow specific page printing.

Hey guys been busy today, just got around to working on the new index releases. Here's the Astra Militarium. I'll have the Xenos one in a bit.

https://mega.nz/#!EPZSEQrQ!Ja-hxvV2TrxJSifp20XQ4rgZYCnITsJ0cKIZVwCg1tk

>>53976590
Is it worth it to get armor, or stick to scout?

And I'll get ML. Not because it's any better than the lascannon, but because the big chunky Missile Launchers are sexy as hell.

>>53976552
>Science is based on the concept of Universalism, IE the same laws apply everywhere
wot?

no its not. theories invloving multiple universes have long been a part of cosmology. There's even been some traction of the idea that the laws of reality aren't even the same everywhere in this universe.

Studying the warp is definitely within the purview of science. It'll be hard and possibly futile, but a branch of science none the less.

>>53976614
>buying shitty walmart paint to paint miniatures

>>53976552
That's not true actually. Science again, is just a method. It's an assumption that the same laws apply everywhere, but not a necessary one.

>>53976709
Armored for durability and access to more weapons. Its only 5 points more expensive.

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>Not building your list and loading it into Battle Scribe as an easy reminder tool
>In the current year

>>53976684
For white and black though it's literally all the same.

Acrylic white and black are acrylic white and black.

So just buy the absolute cheapest you can find because there is no difference.

>>53976651
Not really, they're just kind of fun and work in the same range and target preference as the close range mode of the frag cannon. They're also all assault weapons so the whole squad can run and shoot with them, which can be interesting.

I also like mass stormbolters and 3 assault cannon terminators, which is infinitely better now in every way from before where it was a dumb idea, except for you can only bring 3 terminator heavy weapons in a squad now.

Stalker bolter squads are also nice for camping.

Also, smite is the devil for deathwatch so a librarian is pretty nice to have.

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>>53976761
>there is no difference

>>53976722
Haha I love the morons in here. The Scientific Method requires repeatable observations by multiple observers, whivh is impossible where the laws of physics are different.

Also multiverse theories are the perview of astrophyscists, who are no more scientific than an anthropologist. Untestable theories based on, again, the assumption that things work the same way everywhere.

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>>53976754
>using jew scribe

>>53976700
thanks my nigga

>New Lore from BRB
>Armageddon during the warp storm events of Cadia's fall
>"At times, so desperate were the defenders that Ork and humans fought alongside each other against the greater threat. Such temporary ceasefires never lasted long."
>Ork and humans fought alongside
>Steel Legion willingly fighting next to Thrakka's gits against daemons

I wut.

>>53976754
>crapplescribe
Stop shilling already

Can we expect that during those 112 years Bob finally put "This is just a fucking guidebook you morons" on new edition Codex?

>>53976796
but its free?

>>53976712
see
>>53976761

>>53976780
A shitty painter is a shitty painter. Even the most expensive paint will produce shit results if you hold your brush with a fist, jam it into the pot, and stab the model with your brush.

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>>53976796
>calling a decent working free app Jew
>2017

>>53976795
Observations are still possible under different laws of physics anon.

>>53974980
>other guy suddenlt outs himself as QT trap
>suddenly you want inside his butthole

>>53976807
end times confirmed

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>>53974821
Icarian Onagers shoot so much dakka that they're also good enough against vehicles, but are also good vs infantry and superb vs flyers.

>>53976709
ML is pretty comfy on Sentinels for the D6 frag missile on the go. When you roll up a 4-6 the BS5+ doesn't seem so harsh and when you finally plant yourself, you got a hard hitting shot.
>>53976730
It only has access to a Plasma Cannon over the Scout and Plasma Cannons are very okay. Not worth it this edition in my opinion. Mobility is more important and 9" + 9" turn 1 is a lot nicer than 8".
>>53976278
They are mobile distractions basically. That's why I like Scout Sentinels. They get into flanking positions really fast turn 1 and if you give them a strong enough weapon, people don't want to ignore it. They aren't great and I'm thinking Power Loading Sentinels from FW are going to be more worth it.

>>53975225
battlescribe is still around.

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>>53976780

>>53976700

And here's the Forgeworld Xenos Index in PDF.

https://mega.nz/#!YKJS1JKZ!02mxvjv3PpDN6GZRIBb2no5jbvLiAfkRbvtFGcUtUfo

>>53976806
No problem senpai. Just giving back. Those epubs are garbage.

>>53976813
>b-but it's the same!
Lol no it isn't. Nice try though poorfag.

>Ordered a Primaris captain from ebay
>For some reason the postman took it to the royal mail place in my city because I wasn't home (It wouldn't be in a box surely? Could of just gone through my letterbox)

Now I can't get it until monday. I was hoping to spend the weekend painting up my Primaris Captain and my Iron Priest.

>>53976832
>other guy suddenlt outs himself as QT trap
No he didn't retard.

>>53976911
>b-but my overpriced paint is s-superior GW told me so!

Nice try retard. Black is black. White is white.

You're one of those people that pays a premium for tapwater in a bottle aren't you?

>>53976949
>t-they're all the same color i swear!
>o-overpriced!
Top fucking kek your poorfag salt is delicious. Next you'll tell me you use acrylic paints to airbrush.

>>53976895
>>53976700
God among men. Can you share your ways with me? What converter actually works for this shit?

>>53976978
>can't prove me wrong
>knows he can't prove me wrong
>tries to change the subject
Blown the fuck out.

When I put Chronus on Pred or LR, will its BS stay 2+ no matter how many wounds it suffer?

>>53977003
>b-btfo!
I bet you also buy china recast garbage even for current plastic models don't you? You poorfags are so predictable it's hilarious.

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I always found it funny how a commoner in the Empire had a better quality of life than most people in 40k.
And the Empire is a land were creepy pasta monsters are real and you have to fight them off with a shield and sword.

>>53977037
>he thinks GW pours magical skulldust into black and white pots to make his models magically better

Still waiting for you to even attempt to prove me wrong. Keep trying to change the subject, I'll continue calling you out.

>>53977037
Thanks for keeing GW alive, chump. I've been enjoying free rules for decades (that you've been paying for).

>>53976821

The scientific method revolves around experimentation. In the warp experimentation is impossible. Logic has no meaning. Observations have no meaning.

>>53977037
>he buys at full price
Good goys like you lack the mental fortitude to think for themselves so your words have no merit.
Enjoy $90 a squad.

>>53976895
word. I fucking hate the epub format.

>>53976984
I've got the workflow down to be pretty simple now so I can give you a run down.

Open the epub up in Scribe

Extract all of the fonts and find the full version equivalents

Check the font family name of your replacement font and the font from the epub with Font Forge and adjust as needed.

Swap the fonts in the epub with your replacement ones.

Export with Prince

Check it over by viewing the original epub with Readium.

Double check your pdf in either Sumatra or some other dedicated pdf viewer.

That's really all there is to it. It took some trial and error to figure it all out, but now I can get one done in about 10 minutes.

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>>53977037
>he doesn't know recasts are this good now
>laughingeldarsluts.jpg

>>53977065
>i-i'll continue fighting valiantly for m-muh shitty walmart paints
My sides are in orbit. This level of fucking buyer's remorse kek

I'll have you know that not only do I know abaddon black and ceramite white, I also have white scar for when I want that smooth finish. Because I can. And all you can do is sit in your white trash trailer park and paint with your dollar store acryllic paints. How does it feel like knowing your models will always be shit because you can't even use lahmian medium? Kek, you sad bastard.

>>53977090

Or to put another way, science might be possible under different laws of physics, but it's not possible under NO laws of physics.

>>53977090
Obviously that's false. The eldar were able to refine their mastery of the warp enough to create the webway. If it was as you say, then no manipulation of the warp would be possible.

ok so in the index the tau Y'vahra battlesuit comes with a 5++ that becomes a 4++ if the attack was within 12" or melee, yet it can take a shield generator for 40 points. What/why is this an option and was it a typo?

>>53977069
>>53977091
>>53977102
>mention china chingchong recasts
>EVERY SINGLE POORFAG IN THE THREAD INSTANTLY SPERGS
Top fucking kek you can't make this shit up.

Oh god I'm going to die of laughter

>>53977053
Newsflash: A commoner in rural china has a better quality of life than most city dwelling chinese people.

Farming has remained relatively the same throughout histoy, although increasing in scale thanks to advances in industrial technology.

Meanwhile the citydweller's life has changed dramatically for the worse as they're exposed to pollution, toxins, and overcrowding problems such as disease and crime. Citydwellers are also under exponentially more stress than their ancestors, and even more so than rural dwellers thanks to globalisation.

Consider the following:
Deathwing Knights...without robed heads.

What would YOU use instead?

Is the vulture really only 166 pts?

>>53977107
>he buys the same paints twice to feel better about himself
I have a feeling you're the one living in a trailer park trying to flaunt a your unnecessary expenses as if they were luxuries.

Ideas for GSC allies? Obviously listbuilding for us is gonna be a bit different now. We have next to no staying power, so I was thinking some kind of nid support. Maybe a detachment of carnifexes to send up the middle? Or should I look at AM artillery to force them in closer to deal with my long range strikes, making them easier ambush targets? I don't know, and I only have cult models to test with.

>>53977107
>you can't even use lahmian medium
There's that reading comprehension problem.

>>53977121

Makes no sense unless you want a 4++ at range
But you're better off with probably ATS+TL. Looks nasty

289th for CSM are best mecha 8th edition.

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After anon's advice, I have made my first 8th edition list.

Nothing has interested me, but this is a first. Maybe I should cut the 346 pt unit and work 2 rifle dreads in. Did I do it right? Are my flyers costed appropriately? Should I give them their speshul Blackstar rockets or no?

Anyway, list in the pic.

>>53977156
Except I'm not a retarded walmart paint buyer so I'm aware that Ceramite White has a thicker and chalkier finish while White Scar is smoother but thinner. LMAO, poorfags really have no taste.

>>53977173
What meme did I miss now

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>>53977129
>you're a poorfag if you don't pay $3000 to GW for a 2000 point army

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Rate my list boys

Iron Warriors 1500 Brigade Detachment

Warpsmith - 109
Power axe / Mechatendrils / Meltagun / Flamer / Bolt pistol

Warpsmith - 109
Power axe / Mechatendrils / Meltagun / Flamer / Bolt pistol

Helbrute - 172
Helbrute fist / Power scourge / Heavy flamer

Helbrute - 172
Helbrute fist / Power scourge

Chaos Cultists x10 - 50
Autoguns x10

Chaos Cultists x10 - 50
Autoguns x10

Chaos Cultists x10 - 50
Autoguns x10

Chaos Cultists x10 - 50
Autoguns x10

Defiler - 245
Battle cannon / Reaper autocannon / Havoc launcher / Defiler claws

Defiler - 245
Battle cannon / Reaper autocannon / Havoc launcher / Defiler claws

Defiler - 245
Battle cannon / Reaper autocannon / Havoc launcher / Defiler claws

Best Banebalde version to get if I just want the one super heavy?
I'm really looking at the Shadowsword cause S16 makes my dick hard.

>>53977184
>Artemis
Lol, why?

Also, nix those VVs, they're not doing you anything.

>>53977197
>mfw I own multiple 2000 point armies and i haven't even shelled out 3k for all of them combined
Sounds like you're just fucking retarded top kek

>>53977185
The only retard here is you, can't even mix his own paints nor apply them in ways not directed in a guide.

>>53977187
Not a meme. CSM just have better dreads (Helbrute has crazed and FW dreads can eat people), a better knight (can take any ranged option in either hand), and access to daemon engines (all of which but the defiler are at least pretty good).

>>53977172
well that's why I was asking, it's literally 40 points for +1 invuln save at range, yet with those weapons mainly short range shit will be attacking it.
Also 10 points for a multi tracker on it is meme tier, since fuck that and also if you're firing both weapons at the same target one of them was probably wasted

>>53977197
>$3000 for 2000 points
In absolutely no world. But what should I expect from a dumb atariposter

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>>53975137
>30 boyz that were teleported across the field by a weirdboy (failed their charge)
Is this really a complaint? Do you know how many nuts I would give to have my webway portal back?

>>53977216
3 model armoes don't count shitposter.

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>>53977223
You think the Defiler is bad?

>>53977222
>u-u can't even mix ur own paints!
LMAO, who's the one redirecting the conversation now? What's wrong poorboy, didn't even realize that different paints with different pigmentation have different finishes? Top fucking kek

>>53977203
>3 Defilers
Stop. You're hurting me. Literally any other HS choice, please!

>>53977246
I don't own a single model above 300 points buddy.

>>53977208
Always trust your dick.

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>>53977253
You think the Defiler isn't bad?

>>53977225
Yeah, you're gonna wanna tag the targer with mls anyway to max effectiveness

>>53977254
Keep changing the subject, that was a mere counter to your earlier point.

>>53977257
How about 9 obliterators?

>>53977223
>crazed is actually a good thing now
8th truly is the best edition.

>>53977283
>i-it was a mere counter! i swear!
K E K
E
K

Your damage control is fucking hilarious, especially after I called you out for being a raging hypocrite

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So I bought an extra intercessor and hellblaster squad to go with my starter box, putting me at a nice 1236-ish.

Assuming the grav tank is about the same as one of the cheaper land raiders and the dreadnought is in the same ballpark as a leviathan, I should easily hit 1500-1750.

Hopefully the other primaris kits come out with the death guard launch, I like the sound of those cyclone+flamer devastators and melee stealth dudes.

>>53976949
there's more to paint than just the colour.
pigment density, particle size matters and hugher quality paints geberally have denser concentration of smaller particles. The medium effects how it flows while painting.

in short higher quality paint goes on smoother and needs less/thinner layers to achieve a solid colour.

>>53977253
You pay points for melee and ranged, but you can only do one, and not very well at that. If there is a way to use Defilers, tell me. My giant crabs want to see the tabletop again.

>>53977310
>damage control
Keep spewing non-arguments to make yourself feel better about buying the same shade twice.

>>53977212
OK. Any other advice? I thought the fall back and shoot thing might be good. I didn't realize how good watch master was.

>>53977212
Because he is cool. Also vanguard veterans let you fall back and shoot, which is pretty solid for extra close range shooter guys.
>>53977184
Looks pretty neat to me, B. If you can kite to pop transports with the blackstars you can swoop in and ice the passengers. Deathwatch are pretty weird in that the vehicles can end up being cheap compared to the kill teams themselves.

>>53977329
And for every other shade and color you're absolutely right.

But not for black and white. Because they're simply black and white. The production process and chemicals are all the same.

>>53977290
At least they can do their job.

Two dakkafiends, a lasher tendril fiend, and a magma cutter fiend.

>>53977329
Dumb fuck doesn't even know the difference between white scar and ceramite white. Safe to say he has no concept of finish.
>>53977369
>i-it's just the same color
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I feel good knowing that my plasma guns don't look like shit because I highlight them with a proper white designed for highlighting instead of one designed for basecoating. Except that you have no concept of either because you have only one white and it's garbage.

Is Cassius' deathwatch squad still a unit I can field?

Or am I now stuck with a single assault marine, a single heavy flamer terminator, and a single bike with no use for them?

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>>53977397
>doesn't post his models
They're definitely shit if they exist at all.

>>53977393
I can already tell you're the kind of sad bastard who thinks imperial primer and abaddon black are the same thing.

>>53977412
>h-haha, post y-your models!
Lmao, they're too good for me to bless your eyes with them. Cry harder cuckboy.

>>53977365
>>can only do one
But why? You can fire all the guns at different targets and charge a different thing too if you want.

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>>53977389
How often do you anticipate falling back, really? I'd grab the black shield. At the very least, change the VV loadouts.

Also, yeah, eh is a pretty cool guy.

>>53977397
Another non argument.
This whole spiel of your is "p-poorfags".
In all likelyhood you're a spic with little money trying to show off his bling like a hood rat to make it seem he's not as poor as he actually is. Partly because he keeps spending his money on dumb shit like watered down white paint.

>>53977426
HE DOESN"T HAVE ANY!
I BET HE DOESNT EVEN PLAY

WHAT A PHONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>53977408
>Is Cassius' deathwatch squad still a unit I can field?
Nope, at least not for now.

>>53977408
The second one. Just put weapons on them that you want and add them to kill teams. That's what I did, anyways.

>>53977426
>too good to post
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>>53977426
Confirmed for being too poor to buy models and just talking big on /40kg/ to make himself feel better.

>>53977426
You talking scared. You a coward, dem only hu-I mean poorfags right?
Surely your superior Citadel (tm) paint ceramite white (tm) with that other stupid shade (tm) will blow the fuck his pesant dolls.

>>53977439
>projecting this hard
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Nah, I'm not a subhuman. But you're practically a crypto-nig by claiming that "all black and white paints are the same i swear!" Lemme guess, you're the kind of sad liberal fuckwad who's favorite quote is "we are all one race the human race" isn't it?