Infinity General - Outrage over an Outrageous Box edition

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>revolver ocelot

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>>53968251 (Revolver Ocelot)

This was touched on last thread, but I might as well ask again.

I most often play Infinity against a friend running Steel Phalanx, lots of straight up badasses, which I find consistently hard to deal with playing Bahram. I get that I have loads of special tricks to bring to bear, but those seem to always rely on actually hitting them, which his ubiquitous ODD's and generally higher stats make difficult.

Any tips for taking on a straight up brawler list like that with the Hassassins weirdo specialists?

>>53968338
>they removed the email field so you can't be Revolver Ocelot (Liquid Snake) anymore
i wish moot was dead

Regarding Emily's Forehead Level 3: Superior Forehead, I see the only issue whatsoever is to sculpt a lock of hair that curls down over it. Like how she's drawn.

Really simple for greenstuff. I'll probably do that, or prop a visor over.

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>>53968457
>i wish moot was dead
Anon, I don't know how to tell you this...

who the fuck is moot?

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>>53968403
>those seem to always rely on actually hitting them
Aside from your best one.

>>53968403
>How do I Haqq.
>>53968666
>posts Ghazi.
That's how.

You can take the whole box for 20 points or just 2 of them for 10 which is enough to fuck over your opponent anyway because Ghazi are stupidly good and stupidly priced for a stupid faction of stupids.

>>53968403
Steel phalanx has a super hard time with mines of all sorts. No cheap units to run into them, and shock/viral turns off nwi.
There are also only a couple of models that can be a LT. Hunt named characters, make sure there's no living myrm officer, and you bought yourself a free turn.
Take objectives. SP doesn't have cost effective specialists so their main plan is brawling.
Throwaway templates pull double duty against them because they ignore ODD and can usually hit most of a clumped link team.
You're losing because you're trying to have a firefight with them.

A serious noob question, how do I start list building. I'm planning on going Aleph, so should I just start with the started box? Do you usually start with picking the lieutenant? I'm a bit lost with all the options.

>>53968666

I don't have any of those, but they'll be part of my next round of purchases.

>>53968795

That's fair I think. I kept trying to win shootouts with Muyib EXP weapons or Lasiq viral, rather than thinking about ways I could avoid having to go head to head.

>>53968860
For vanilla aleph, the starter is fine. From there expand to the posthumans(mk 1,2,3) box and a box of remotes. Then another naga or a dasyu.
In my experience those are the most efficient models.

>>53968860
http://www.critskillpeople.com/2014/09/the-perfect-composition.html/
It's from N2 days, but it still applies.

>>53968403
Like everyone said you use Ghazi for the templates and jammer and the Minelayer Farzan that can infiltrate and start with a mine deployed.

Is there anywhere which has a collection of scenario rules or different objective setups?

>>53969005
It's in the downloads section of the official site. Look for ITS rules.

>>53969005
>>53969045
Those are what 95% of people play

>>53968969
>>53968987
Thanks guys! Man, it's nice to get some actual answers instead being told to get out skrub.

>>53970425
There's also YAMS, which is an unofficial system made by one of their playtesters.

>>53968772
2 Ghazi are not going to win you a game dude.

>>53971273
If you e/m the right thing they definitely will.

>>53971273
>Intuitive attack detects your TO camo marker through a wall on a 15, and isolates it
>Shuts down a TAG from advancing through a 17 inch diameter bubble on key objectives for 5 points
>Engages you with a choice of template weapons while providing smoke for the army
Nuthin personnel kid

>>53968666
Satan knows his stuff.

>>53968987
Good article for newbs like me, thanks

hmmm got couple of metal infinity minis form friend, but they are not from the same faction. can faction mix ?

>>53972341
what minis you got?

>>53972341
Some do, like Aleph units in the ISS/NCA/SAA sectorials (subfactions) of PanO and Yu Jing, as well as some mercenaries work for one or multiple factions like McMurrough for Caledonia/Corregidor or Armand Le Muet for all generic armies.

>>53972347
hmmm from what i searched
some morat infianty, 4 minins form schock army starter (panOceania) and about 2 from yu jin and 3 from somthing i don;t know

>>53972347
>>53972413
o i got it 3 infinty form Nomads

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Alright guys, sell me this game.
Why should I play it? What is the best way to jump into the hobby? Are Operation Icestorm and Red Veil both good or maybe one of this set is a better deal for a newbie? How many I have to spend on to play casual games at my LGS?
Just tell me everything you wanted to know when you were newbies interested with Infinity

>>53972694
How much I have to spend*

>>53972694

Fine asses, anime robots and tense, frenetic gunfights.

>>53972694
Don't bother with RV/OI, they are useless. It's much better if you buy the starter for the faction you want directly.

>>53972694
>>53972874

I think there's value in RV/OI. Owning it yourself gives you an easy way to introduce the game to a friend and get them hooked, or you can split it with a friend if you both want the minis, particularly the cool exclusive ones.

>>53972736
>fine asses
Tell me more about this - I found great asses as important as the core rules
>>53972874
Well, I actually thought about Haqqislam or Tohaa so RV would be handy

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>>53972694
Both Icestorm and Red Veil are great ways to start, unless you really want to play a faction that is not in either, then use their starter. But considering 4 out of 8 basic factions are in those two, you're likely to get with either. Splitting the set with a friend is common practice.

As for how much do you have to spend, $100-$150 is the number thrown around. Couldn't tell you specifics because I'm not American, but Miniature Market seems to have deals on Infinity periodically. A rule of thumb seems to be 2 boxes (usually starter set and some extra troops or drones) and 2-3 blisters for a 200pts army. The game revolves around 10-16 models at standard point values, so you can do a quick estimation. Note that it's usually inadvisable to get two of the same box, especially starter sets.

As for rules, the factions are balanced against each other, there is a lot of rules and they may seem daunting at first, but not every faction uses everything (though most have access to almost everything and combine the general rules in unique ways). Balanced lists are better than gimmicks, everything can (and will) die, scenarios are often based around Specialist troops doing objectives like hacking a console or picking up supplies.

On the subject of asses, pic related.

>>53973009
Here are the reasons why those starters are shit:

- They don't come with the full rulebook, you won't even learn to play with them
- They don't come with a standard sized game matt, instead they come with a tiny one that is useless outside the short dumb demo games you will be playing with them
- You will end with miniatures from a faction you don't play and will need to find a player who wants to pay for them
- You will end with one set of scenery, which is not nearly enough to play a standard game, you would need aither buy at least 2 more sets or keep that one, which is useless by itself
- It comes with 6 dice: 3 for each faction, that means you will be short of one dice for your faction, even in the very demo games, because HMG requires 4
- All the templates and markers are shitty cardboard cuts, and you will need to buy more anyway because some basic required templates for the game are not included, like the teardrop one

The only redeeming factor to buy those sets at all would be the two exclusive models, otherwise you are just losing your time.

>>53972694
In all seriousness, if you want two players to start, pick up either Icestorm or Red Veil, depending on what factions you think look cooler.

Otherwise, pick up a starter box for a faction you find appealing visually or stylistically, and we can help you figure out what else to nab.

>>53972694
>Why should I play it?
Because it's cool, has tight rules, and looks neat.
>What is the best way to jump into the hobby?
With cutters, hobby knives, appropriate glue, some primer and paint from gaming stores or hobby shops
>Are Operation Icestorm and Red Veil both good or maybe one of this set is a better deal for a newbie?
Both are good, Red Veil's slightly better in that it has the little terrain bridges, and both the ninja and the Al Fasid from Haqqislam's very desirable. It's best split with a friend of course. There are also 300 point packs you may be interested in for Tohaa, Combined Army, and Aleph.
>How many I have to spend on to play casual games at my LGS?

About this many. Actually anywhere as low as 70 USD to about 140 USD for a rather complete collection

>>53972874
O:RV/O:I aren't useless, they're both rather good foots in the door to learning the rules and starting. They include terrain, dice, and starter rules easing you into it.

>>53972694
I just got my copy of operation icestorm and have been getting acquainted with the game. I've only played a few matches with missions 1 and 2 from the box so far. Had to use D&D minis as proxies since I'm still assembling the miniatures that come with it.
So far I don't regret my purchase. I'm having fun and can't wait to get all my guys painted and start using the more advanced rules. I don't really plan on going to a FLGS nor do I have anyone to play with regularly so I just enjoy going solo. Suits me fine though.
If you're unsure of which box to get I definitely agree with the notion that you should get one that has the faction you want. I thought PanO looked cool so I decided to go with that. Later on I wanna go ALEPH but I went with the starter set for terrain and all those extra bits.
One last thing, be sure to pick up some clippers, sand paper, super glue, and an exacto knife. That'll help with getting through assembly. I don't have much experience with paint yet. I'm gonna pick up some vallejo paints a little later but they're not necessary to start playing in my opinion. I've had some issues with gluing but gel gorilla glue has been helpful Where else the zap a gap glue I was using hardly worked

Is it possible yet to field an army of cat boys?

>>53974584
Maybe. With models as is no. With greenstuff and miniatures that don't have helmets, it is pretty easy.

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>>53974584
Now why would you want that?

>>53972413
none of those really mix. I'd say pick the ones you like best and sell the rest

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I already regret making this

>>53973349
wrong.

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Reposting this in case somebody else wants it.

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I think is the general gist of how I want to get into ISS before I get a Su-Jian. Which Sniper should I go for, Bounty Hunter or Dakini? List is more elegantly with the bounty hunter but Supportware with a Mimetism sniper seems more annoying to deal with.

>>53968150
>Outrage
What's the reference? I don't get it.

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>>53976933
"Outrage" is the Infinity ""Manga"" that came out in April. This box has characters from the Manga and it's causing outrage because some people find them ugly (I'm not inclined to disagree with Emily and Domovoi).

>>53968150
Why do these models look bad? I've never thought that about any of corvus beli's new stuff, except for their scarface stand alone one.

>>53977135
I dunno dude. Maybe they tried to copy the style of the comic and it went horribly wrong. Or maybe they just had a real off day.

>>53977135
I'm convinced at this point it's that whoever painted the eyes just did a complete shit job.

>>53977122
>Manga
Why do they do this? Is it because manga is popular in some countries like Spain and France?

>>53977382
Because on top of infinity being inspired by anime and manga styles, a lot of players are weebs who like anime and manga.

>>53968150
They look so much better from this angle.

In the shot for the box cover Emily looks like she has some Jessica Nigri level 5head going on.

Anyone have the infinity deathmatch rules?

>>53977122
it's *Spainga

>>53977382
Think about it. There are plenty of dirty weeaboo Infinity players who love manga but would never touch anything called a comic, and the anti-weebs who like comics but not manga would be turned off by Infinity's manga inspired aesthetic anyway. It's a smart move.

>>53973349
>They don't come with the full rulebook, you won't even learn to play with them
They come with a rulebook that teaches the basics of Infinity and allow you to play the 5 missions attached. And it's not like you have to pay for full rules.

>They don't come with a standard sized game matt, instead they come with a tiny one that is useless outside the short dumb demo games you will be playing with them
>You will end with one set of scenery, which is not nearly enough to play a standard game, you would need aither buy at least 2 more sets or keep that one, which is useless by itself
Those are both same thing: enough to play the set and a good starting point. Most two-player sets for miniature games come without any kind of scenery at all. The only thing that comes close would be the Shadow War: Armageddon starter and it still did not have full rules or enough terrain for a full game in it. Not to mention apparently GW stopped selling it.

>You will end with miniatures from a faction you don't play and will need to find a player who wants to pay for them
Yo, I play both PanO and Nomads. And splitting the box means splitting the cost. You need someone to play the game with anyway.

>It comes with 6 dice: 3 for each faction, that means you will be short of one dice for your faction, even in the very demo games, because HMG requires 4
I'd say you'd be 2 short, because HMC and linked HMG is Burst 5. But you know, there's no law about using the dice from the other faction if you keep both armies and d20s are cheap.

>All the templates and markers are shitty cardboard cuts, and you will need to buy more anyway because some basic required templates for the game are not included, like the teardrop one
Only valid complaint IMO. Although they have enough templates for the box itself, you'd want to print out or buy more.

Honestly, what do you expect from a 90€ two-player starter set? For it to be two bundled 300pts packs with triple the scenery and a full game mat?

>>53978392
>Honestly, what do you expect from a 90€ two-player starter set? For it to be two bundled 300pts packs with triple the scenery and a full game mat?

That would be a good start. Would be better if it were all that for 50€, though, since charging people 90€ to see if they like a game is outrageous GW-tier robbery.

>>53978524
>would be better if the company hemorrhaged money, though

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>>53978524
Ah, you are a retarded troll. Gotcha.

>>53978524
>since charging people 90€ to see if they like a game is outrageous GW-tier robbery.

Not even close. The RRP of the two faction starter sets in those boxes already covers over half the price they are asking for. And that is before factoring in the extra two exclusive models you get in them.

And there is no mandatory cost to try the game like with GW since the entire ruleset is free online. You are only paying for the convenience of having pretty much everything you need to get started in a single box.

Also unlike GW it is easy to find online retailers with discounts for these boxes.

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Reposting best girl from Aristeia!.

>>53978672
Really hoping aristeia will have miniatures. Otherwise, I'm really just not interested

>>53979513
CAD sculpt of the panda guy leaked a while ago.

>>53978672
really getting a jet set radio vibe from that art

>>53968150
Beba is actually pretty good and most of the others look at least somewhat decent, but holy shit, Emily looks horrible.

>>53979553
Rumor had it that that would be a limited-edition kind of deal and the only actual mini. Not sure if true, but it'd sure be stupid...

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Question about models with a CC of 20+

I get how the increased crit range works.
However there's people in my club claiming that in addition to that, when rolling for CC, depending on the value, you actually add a hard number on top of the rolls' outcome. Meaning that f.e. if you're CC 25, and you roll 8, you add 5 to the result for a total of 13, which counts for FtF purposes.

Is that true?

>>53973175
>I play it for the rules
Huh, time to take a look on Infinity arts

>>53973553
I'm torn between Haqqislam and Tohaa. I want to talk my gf into Infinity so if she say "yes" we will split the RV box and if decide to stick with _AoS_ only I'm gonna pick Tohaa

>>53973942
>With cutters, hobby knives, appropriate glue, some primer and paint from gaming stores or hobby shops
I already have all these hobby stuff so it's a good start
>Actually anywhere as low as 70 USD to about 140 USD for a rather complete collection
Wait, what? What do you mean by "complete collection"? I can have all important models of chosen faction just by 140$?

>>53974245
As a newbie, how would you rate the models quality?

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>>53980205
>Haqqislam
>Tohaa

Hello new anon. Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and savior Jesus Christ?

>>53979954
Probably would be blunder of the century.

>>53980129
Yep.

>>53980205
>I can have all important models of chosen faction just by 140$?
Basically, yeah. There aren't many important models as much as there's important roles that can be filled by several different models. For example in Haqq there are a few different ways to deal with enemy camouflage. You can use Djanbazans with their fancy anti-camo visors, Naffatun with their flamethrowers, Rafiq robots with their sensor, an infiltrator with mines, or a combination of several different methods. The same goes for big attack troops, support units, order generators, objective grabbers, etc.
There's a lot of choice generally, and many units go about doing the same things in different ways.

still waiting for the fucking rpg

that'll be the best way to jump into the setting, no? i'm not really interested in wargaming but the world seems cool for an rpg

>>53980365
The core book is basically done already. The preview PDF is only missing the 'Life in the Human Sphere' section (and has the formatting a bit fucked up in places), and the whole book is now with CB for one final round of checks before it goes out to the backers so they can see if there's anything both Modiphius and CB missed.

Let's just ignore the fact that Conan is on its fifth book already.

>>53978392
I expect at least a standard sized game mat and at least 4 dice per player.

Making me buy a proper matt and extra dice to be able to play at home is a dick move by CB.

>>53972694
I a big believer in the red veil ice storm starters. Each gets you an extra model per faction (darn good ones mostly) and the game will be more fun to get into with a friend to learn with. Id only recommend against them if you really like specific faction that isnt one of the 4 included.

>>53980205
>I can have all important models of chosen faction just by 140$?
It's a skirmish game, you're unlikely to field more than 16 models. Although Haqq likes to push upper limits because their main strength is Light Infantry and even their TAG (the Maghariba Guard) is on the cheap side for its stats.

Tohaa is the odd duck of the whole game, I've never played against them so I couldn't tell you what they're like. They're both one of the strongest armies (due to Symbiont Armour and Triad Fireteams, i.e. they all have basically an extra wound and they can move 3 models with one order) and the least popular one, because they are that weird and don't play like anything else.

>As a newbie, how would you rate the models quality?
Probably best looking sci-fi minis on the market and pretty well cast too, although various antennae are a pain (as every PanO player will tell you).

>>53980599
>Making me buy a proper matt and extra dice to be able to play at home is a dick move by CB.

No one is making you buy a proper mat. And they already pack at least twice the terrain anyone else does, aside from the apparently discontinued Shadow War set. Most companies just pack minis, dice and a rulebook. And again, the box has everything you need to play with it alone. You don't need a full mat for any of the starter set missions. Besides, a paper mat at full size is not really that good anyway.

You really are an entitled little shit aren't you.

>>53981043
>entitled little shit
Oh, pardon me for not wanting to end with a lot of useless shit I'm not going to use ever again.

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>>53981006
So you say I can either trigger Derpus Vult Poles at my LGS with a massive amount of future-islam models and save some money by picking RV box or be a very special snowflake by running an outstanding (both rule- and aesthetic-wise) faction? Well, it seems that I have picked good factions to choose among them.

Also is there any Infinity arts database?

>>53981128
>There isn't enough stuff in the box
>I don't want to end up with a lot of useless shit

Which is it anon? Those 2-player starter boxes aren't required to play. The rules are free online. Terrain kits are cheap.

All these boxes do is give you enough models and terrain to play with someone else quickly if you want. They aren't mandatory.

Crying about them having exclusive models would make more sense than your current train of thought.

>>53981220
You disgust me Saracen.

No big PanO tiddies for you.

>>53981249
It's both: they are useless because there are not enough or are not big enough for a standard sized game, so the moment you want to use it for a regular game you need to buy extra everything. Even templates.

>>53981258

You keep calling them useless despite lots of people saying they like them just find. Have you ever wondered if it might just be your problem?

>>53981258
They're not supposed to fully kit you out for a standard game you git. They're meant to give you enough to see if the game is to your taste before you buy anything more.

>>53981271
>Hey Galileo, you keep saying the Earth is round despite lots of people saying it's flat. Have you ever wondered if it might just be your problem?

>>53981286
Exactly, and then after 5 demo dumbed down games you end up with a useless mat, half the dice you need, and a third of the scenery you need.

Much better just buy the faction starter, a 5-dice pack, a template/marker pack, and if you want to play at home, three sets of the scenery you like most.

Similar cost, no useless shit, and then you only need to expand your army as you see fit.

>>53981258
Then just buy the models you want for your faction and a couple terrain packs. Or do what everyone else who doesn't want the other factions models does and re-sell them on ebay. You are manufacturing problems that aren't real.

I think I see the problem now. These boxes are meant as a quick start for 2-players so you can play with a friend. And you don't have any friends.

>>53981301

*significantly higher cost

ftfy

>>53981308
$40 starter
$40 scenery
$20 dice and templates
= $100

i.e. similar

>>53981301
>and if you want to play at home

And who and what are you going to play against if you only have one faction starter?

>>53981313

You're counting half the number of miniatures as equivalent? That's cute.

>>53981304
>Then just buy the models you want for your faction and a couple terrain packs.
Now we agree on the uselessness of these sets, aren't we?

>>53981316
Other players you dumb faggot.

>>53981325
>counting models from a different faction you won't play and will need to sell to get rid of

>>53981255
>No big PanO tiddies for you.
B-but Anon, for now I only saw sand asses. Just show me the truth
>You disgust me Saracen.
Jokes on you I'm a catholic

>>53981258
Riddle me this. I can either pick a RV box for 300 bananas and sell the Ping-Pong half for 150 and share the terrains and stuff with other player or pick a Tohaa starter pack for 140 bananas and have nothing more than 6 models - which will be better?

>>53981346

Alternatively, keep them as a way of introducing the game to friends? Y'know... What the boxes are really for?

>>53981346
>local retard can't comprehend that some people don't have a local Infinity scene

>>53981346
Useless for you maybe. The rest of us see the value in them since you can play with others almost immediately.

Where as under your method you have to convince someone else to invest in buying models. Which is also funny because chances are they will buy one of the Icestorm or Red Veil sets because they are good starters and good value for money.

>>53981346
>and will need to sell to get rid of
That isn't hard and lowers the final cost pretty significantly. Splitting the cost for 2 player starter sets is standard practice. I'm not sure why you're having trouble comprehending this.

The tiny mats are shit though. I agree with you there.

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>>53981364
You sure you don't want to reconsider Deus Vulting in the Lord's name anon?

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>>53981364
>>53981412

The path of wisdom awaits you, anon

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>>53981433
We can wear coats too.

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I can't believe any of you bloodless faggots.

Corvus Belli packs shit in a box with a pretty bowtie and you engulf the diahrrea down your throats without any kind of doubt, even if those packs are obviously cleverly designed traps to make you spend more money in the end than if you directly went for what you really need.

I'm tired of you brainless CB droids, fuck you all.

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>>53981220
Dirty fucking Tohaa will burn for their crimes. They will be crushed eventually, as will all others foolish enough to oppose the glorious EI, ruler of galaxies and eternal seeker of transcendence.

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>just noticed that all Infinity starter packs/operations models are metal
Oh boi, here we go. I have never worked on metal models - only plastic. Is it hard?

>>53981412
>>53981433
OH my sand-lady looks better desu

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>>53981479

Haqqislam also has the best executive assistants, able to help you with anything you should desire~

>>53981479
>Is it hard?
It varies. Mold lines can be a real bitch to deal with, and some of the older models have some pretty fucking annoying designs when it comes to how they fit together. The newer stuff (like is in the Icestorm/Red Veil boxes) has less of that problem.

Just take your time.

And learn to love the feeling of having superglue on your fingers.

>>53981493
That trigger discipline is disgusting.

>>53981466

Someone who bought Red Veil and has gotten a lot of use out of every component here. How does this fit into your paradigm?

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>>53981466
If you're so tired then leave, fuccboi. Nobody is keeping you here. You made your argument, a bunch of other people made theirs, and then you got mad because they didn't disregard their own experiences and take yours as some kind of dogma.

>>53981466
Elaborate. The recent PanO 50% bundle was pretty bad, game value wise. Tohaa wasn't beginner friendly either, more of an add-on. Other than that?

Icestorm and Red Veil are pretty fucking shiny, to a degree that it's really fucking hard to argue against their value.

>>53979954
I think I made up that rumor by speculation as that's something I said. Don't take it too seriously.

>>53981820
Se han colocado 0,10 Euros en tu cuenta para esta publicación.

Hey infini/tg/ what are the kind of "packages" you take in your army? I mean like the groupings of units you slot in to your lists all together. So for instance for Haqqislam I might say one of my packages where I want hackers is:

>Barid HD
>Leila Sharif
>Rafiq Remote

Or and this is just to trigger the Ghazi anon for an all-comers list I might say a good building block is:

>4 x Ghazi Muttaw'ah

I'm kind of curious what you consider to be block groupings of units in your own faction, if you do that.

>>53981301
>Exactly, and then after 5 demo dumbed down games you end up with a useless mat, half the dice you need, and a third of the scenery you need.
That's why it's called a *starter* pack. Literally every single game with a collectible element works like this.
Even card games, good luck playing with starter set decks, despite them technically being enough to play a game.

>>53981878

But the nice thing is that the starter boxes, in and of themselves, are complete games. Like LCG sets. It might lack variety, sure, but just with that you still have enough to enjoy the game with a friend whenever you want to pull out the box, even with no further investment.

>>53981466
>if you directly went for what you really need

Let's see, what do you need to play Infinity:
>miniatures
>terrain
>dice
>tokens
>templates
>an opponent with another second army

Guess what those starter sets contain?

You're going to say "not 300pts, not enough terrain, not enough dice or tokens etc.". Which is true, and that is how every single wargame out there operates. Hell, GW usually doesn't even pack terrain (and despite more miniatures there's less of an army in each two player starter box than in Infinity ones). If you wanted everything you need for a full game in a single box, you'd want a boardgame, not a wargame starter.
Have you noticed how every 300pts box costs exactly the same as Icestorm/Red Veil? And you don't even get dice, terrain etc in those. So you still need to buy all this stuff and find someone else with an army, instead of selling off miniatures you don't need or keeping them around to invite people to play with. Or just run two armies, like I do, to have variety in playstyles.

>>53981903
Say that to any current GW starter set. Only one so far has any terrain and it's literally one building. Such game.
Or X-Wing starter set. Two TIE Fighters, one X-Wing. Woop-de-doo.

This is how miniature games work. The starter set is to hook you in so you buy more stuff. If they wanted to pack the whole experience into one box then 1. the box would be HUGE in order to contain everything (especially with the amount of terrain Infinity uses) and 2. it would be stupidly expensive and literally no one would ever buy one. Basically no LGS would be willing to stock such a monstrosity.

>>53981503
Go but the LGL Hunzakut then.
Also, she's sexier

>>53981865
In QK, and to a lesser extent vanilla Haqq:
-Al Hawwa AHD
-Djanbazan Sniper
Never leave home without them.

>>53981966

None of that counters the fact that Red Veil and Icestorm are complete, enjoyable experiences in themselves? Limited in variety and ripe for being expanded on, sure, but they're still perfectly enjoyable two player experiences.

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>>53973349
>>53980599
>>53981128
>>53981258
>Buying two extra k20 is SUCH A PROBLEM

>>53982001
>k20
Siema.

>>53981966
>Using GW as an example

But the thing is you are confusing the issue. These are starter sets, they aren't complete sets. There is no hidden sinister plot here. They have what you need to play what is in the box, and you can expand from there if you want.

No one is forcing anyone to buy these boxes. There are no lies about the contents of the box.

This is without even touching on the idea that you seem to think 300 points is the level people should start playing with.

>>53981469
Go away, dumb ape girl

>>53982008
>k20 is exclusive for Privislinsky krai's dialect
Huh, always forget about this

>>53981996
>>53982019
You guys are confusing me with that tard. I used those other game examples to show that there is no sinister plot with two-player boxes, this is how miniature games work. Every such box is both a complete experience and a hook to make people buy more miniatures. And that doesn't make them bad.

Hell, I'd say the current best value proposition for a miniatures game is AoS Storm of Sigmar: $30 for a two player set is a steal. Two bad 5 Sigmarines and 8 Chaosites is way below typical army size.

>>53982065
No the AoS starter has to be some sort of sinister plot. GW doesn't do anything nice or discount with some sort of ulterior motive.

>>53982107
Isn't making people consider AoS sinister enough?

>>53982065
Storm of Sigmar is a terrible shit. It will learn you nothing. But other two 2-players boxes for AoS are great.
You can buy a Spire of Dawn box and end up with 74 miniatures. It has no dice, no terrains, no measure - only models. And still I would not call it a steal - it has so many models you can feel the game. You can move big units, marvel at your big models towering above infantry units etc. It is not giving you a complete army to play legal 1000pts games but you can experience how the game works.
On the other hand you have the first AoS Satrter set. It actually has everything you need to play open games but it's designed to be filled with start collecting boxes and that's fine for me - this is how the starter set should work. It gives you the base and the experience but it has to be expanded.

I don't really know what is wrong with this "hurr durr OI/RV" is a steal retard. No starter set will give you everything you need but some of them give you more than others

>>53980129
Yes, if your value is over 20 you indeed add to the roll, so like you said if you roll an eight the value is 13, if you roll a 15 the value is 20 and therefore critically hits.

This is not exclusive to CC too, various linked teams or rare scenarios like using Marksmanship Level X can get you BS over 20 after some MODs.
>>53980205
Wait, what? What do you mean by "complete collection"? I can have all important models of chosen faction just by 140$?

Yes, what I meant was you can easily get something over three hundred points (the standard point game) with $140 where as low as $70 can get you a discounted convenient 300 pt pack, or things like one box with a few models and various blisters if you buy smart. $140 is enough to get you a very well supplemented force like a starter, a remotes box, a support box, and a box of a unit you like for example Djanbazans plus a couple of blisters like Al Hawwa, Saladin, or Hunzakut.

>>53981220
Human-sphere.com gets you a collection of most dossiers and unit photos, but not actual art.

>>53981479
Usually a normal difficulty but occassionally comes a random terribly hard model to get to fit right. It may be a difficult fight at first but you'll win, you always do.

>>53981865
Domaru Chain Rifle + Kempeitei are usually together

EVO Remote+FO/Sensor Remote because they combine well with Sat-Lock, usually accompanied by an AD troop like Tiger Soldier or Yuan Yuan

>>53981858
Si solo me dan diez centavos para eso, como me puedo obtener 20 Euros?

>>53982182
Nitpicking but other company actually have good complete 2-players set with complete legal armies or a good 2-player starter set

>>53982301
>other company actually have good complete 2-players set with complete legal armies
Which one? Serious question, never saw one like this. Even the new 40k starter set has two armies of ~900pts while you need 1000
>or a good 2-player starter set
Yeah, and two of these sets are OI and RV imo

>>53982267
Chupa la polla, amigo.

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>>53981466
>after discounts at my LGS got RV for the price of both starter sets
>and the limited edition minis
>and I play both factions
desu senpai I don't see what your problem is. The cardboard terrain is a nice mix up every now and then and having a bunch of round templates, tokens, and silhouettes has proven useful.

>>53982602
Ah fuck I never cleared the name field.

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Are there any worth following Infinity-related twitter/instagram profiles, youtube channels etc?

>>53982674
twitter:
@Infinitythegame
also @BuhoJedi (V) because he occassionally keeps you updated on site related stuff, his reaction to updating Army Builder to HSN3 was kind of funny in a sadistic way.
@Mayapodcast Mayacast in general does some pod casts you might want to listen to as it is generally the place you'll hear about the next month's release list first.

Instagram
Angel_Giraldez (the painter for most of the models)

Youtube channels:
Guerilla Miniature Games for some batreps they do, although they occassionally mess up the rules it usually gets called out in the comments.

Follow me on reddit! jk

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>>53981466

Are there any good premium token sets for Infinity? Printing and sticking them to bases is all well and good, but I enjoy owning nice acrylic tokens for the games I play, or similar.

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>>53982792
The 15mm microart studios ones are what I use and they're really nice. High quality and don't get in the way as they are 15mm.

>>53981966
.....what the fuck is your deal.

>>53982841

Do you know if they do any bundles or are all the tokens bought individually? Glancing at their site it seemed like the latter.

>>53983025
Here's the set I have:
http://shop.microartstudio.com/infinity-tokens-starter-01-new-version-n3-36-p-1229.html

>>53983025
They have a basic orders and status set, and a bunch of other more specialized sets, that are what hit retail channels. If your FLGS can't into a good distributor, check the Bay.

>>53982330
>>other company actually have good complete 2-players set with complete legal armies
>Which one?
The ONLY one I can think of is the suicide squad box for BMG. Everything else is just a taste.

>>53982792
Warsenal is the other company doing full color tokens for status.

>>53982792
I'm just going to shill SMG Studio's tokens because they were kind enough to give them out as a prize a couple of times and they're actually rather good.

>>53983862
There's also Customeeple and ZenTerrain has a limited selection (not being an official partner).

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>>53981466

Im gonna go pick up the Tohaa 300 point box tommorow and ive got £30 left on the budget. Whats a few good supplementary picks?

>>53978524
Where can you get a box set of that calibre for that price you absoloute melt.

>>53984520
>Tohaa 300 point box tommorow
Which one?

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Has anyone of you tried to play Infinity on tabletop simulator? I noticed that there is an Operation Icestorm mod on workshop

>>53984645
There's only one.

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>>53984645
This one, m8
>>53984520
I find Kerail exteremely annoying to face so it's my #1 suggestion.

My other suggestions are the Gao Tarsos as its tied for the best drop troop, Igao as a decent camo skirmisher, and the Sukeul as it's a pretty decent HMG for a Triad with a bonus of stealth.

Then again I don't play Tohaa, I just know of them from playing, so small grain of salt. I'm still irrationally angry that Clipsos exist.

>>53985067
Oh yeah, almost forgot. You definitely want some kind of Doctor/Engineer to fix up your guys so a Kumotail should probably be suggested.

>>53985060
>>53985067
There was the promotion box with the Kerails that was not very good. That box looks incredibly solid though.

Clipsos are indeed bullshit but assuming you want to mix it up I don't think anon's suggestion of 2 of Gao-Tarsos, Igao or Sukeul plus Kumotail is bad at all.

>>53985439
Gao Rael, particularly the sniper, is pretty boss. The sniper spoils me rotten, countering most of the problems of leaving an MSV troop to ARO.

I haven't had much need for the kumotail since Paramedics are often good enough for Tohaa and the Kosuil cover engineering just fine while not dying to a stiff breeze.

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Which faction is the best aesthetically in your oppinion?
Best model?
Worst model?

Enjoy Haqq's slapped together soldier look mixed in with a regular standing army. Really portrays their mercenary approach to military issues.

Best model for me isn't Haqq, but Combined. Unidrons just look nice and sinister for basic soldiers. Also assembling them was relaxing after sticking all those tiny arms on my Haqq lady models.

Worst is a good handful of Nomad models. But the top has to be Zoe and Pi-well. Her head bugs the crap out of me and Pi-well is ok. But this is due simply to how old of a sculpt she is and I like her background, so maybe in due time there'll be a sharper one.

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Time for Bingo!

>>53986924
I actually provoked 5 of these with my newbie question. Sorry

>>53977382
Comics in Europe directly imply comedy.
Like, there's the political satire comics you get in newspapers, there's stuff like Asterix.
Capeshit is non-existent here but manga is massive.
French are also producing manga:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manfra

It makes sense within European context.

>>53986599
I have a hard on for heavy infantry (probably due to being a 40k expatriate jealous of Marine Armies) so I'd want to say Yu Jing, but their ugly core line troops taint the faction aesthetic in general.

I'll break it up into categories:

LI: Haqqislam
MI: Nomads
HI: Yu Jing
TAG: Pan Oceania
REM: Yu Jing
SK: Yu Jing
WB: Nomads

Is it obvious I play Yu Jing?

Best model: Tiger Soldier

Worst Model: Szalamandra.

Although Emily might contend to that rather soon.

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>>53986924
As the guy who made the largest number butt collage, ha ha ha to B2.

Also I've got mixed feelings since PanO overtook Yu Jing as the Whiners. Some how Yu Jing whining was more appropriately in character.

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>>53987114
When is CB going to produce a Saber clone for each faction?

>>53987152
Let's see...
>Ariadna
Margot resculpt
>Nomads
Ehh, will probably have some silly hair colour on official paintjob, like pink or neon green
>ALEPH
Same as Nomads, just more white
>Haqqislam
Brown sugar
>CA
Green sugar
>Tohaa
Fuck the Avocado!
Yu Jing
Not possible. Concepts don't match.

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So i was wondering which army would be the best to do must Airborne deployment with ? And im not talking about how Airadna do air drops. I want something Similar to the orginal starship troops book.

>>53988078
Sadly the caskuda isn't leggit. Huge AD bug that did an AoE where it landed potentially hurting units and structures.

But Nomads have pretty solid AD troops in terms of gear. Tiger Soldiers in Yu Jing are just damn awesome. Ragiks in Haqqislam are decently resilient and surprise spitfires are always nice. And Fraacta are also pretty resilient, and Ko Dali is nice and killy.

>>53988149
I currently play Aleph, Airadna and Onyx. I find all in all each of a strong drop game that i can easily use on my opponent. But the wish to mass drop troops in is what I want.

>>53988176
The best I've done there is Qapu Kalqui, but it's basically a bunch of parachutting troops and more of a nuisance than a face smashing dude in power armor.

Some sectorials have higher AVA for drop troops. Guess it's give the lists a look over for which dropper you want.

>>53988225
With US Ariadna i had my parachutist enter one side with Van zant from the rear. It was pretty intense, but i committed too much to making sure they entered though.

>>53988319
Have had a Yuan Yuan drop in near a target and drop smoke to cover my Bashis coming in to take position to hold down the rest.

Like I said, for QK their AD guys exist to frustrate more than kill.

But I think Hassassin Bahram can take a good chunk of Ragiks, and lots of orders to feed them, and kick some teeth in.

>>53987005
>Is it obvious I play Yu Jing?
>REM: Yu Jing
>SK: Yu Jing

Yes

Since both category are actually filled with Nomads and Ariadna respectively.

>>53988851
>REMs: Nomads

>>53986924
Amused to see that updated. Old one was very N2.

How do I find people to play Infinity with? Is there a local event finder online?

>>53988078
QK has the hilarity of three Yuan Yuans (plus whatever amount of Bashi Bazouks you want). They're rather self sufficient, not that pricy as other mass drop troops, can drop in on 14s with an EVO REM, and definitely fun to field and surprise your enemies. Not particularly powerful but still quite the kick.

Otherwise Tiger Soldiers are AVA three and kind of correlate with the elite troops because of their high stats, good equipment, and mimetism.

>>53988149
CA has some great drop troops. The only one that isn't excellent is the Cadmus. I often see the Rasyat overlooked but imo its one of the few Morat troops worth taking in vanilla. The utility of eclipse grenades on a special deployment CC unit is lovely.

>>53990526
I tend to forget other AD troops in CA. Ko Dali has had a big impact at my locals and I regularly play Onyx.

Yet to see the couple Morat players use Rasyat. They enjoy their Hungries swarms and Suryats too much.

>>53990809
They should definitely try out the dudes if they're using Hungries. The diplomacy boiz are great for covering an advance with anti-everything smoke and the occasional brutal murder. Plus d charges are heaps of fun.

>>53990809
First time I played against Morats I got surprised by the Raysat. I'll never forget it. Sadly though it died before it could do anything by being hit by my Weibing remote.

>>53990945
Just goes to show that you should always smoke up before a murder, even against a pathetic weakling.

>>53981479
Harder than plastic for sure. I have some small metal files which work great for mold lines and other shit. On a lot of models the glue I use isn't enough so I've used a small hand drill and wire to pin their arms on, but I know people who don't have this problem so It's probably my shit glue. Also varnish your model at the end if you want your paint to stick, as paint comes off metal easier.

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How should I run these semen demons? They seem kind of meh, but I love the models.

>>53981364

>Catholic
>Does not Deus Vult

Pick one heretic.

>>53991219
QK they make solid Haris, especially sticking in a Hafza FO to let them work on some buttons.

Depending on mood can also do the full five-man fireteam. 360V with Sixth Sense lv2 can have its moments.

Though one thing I've done, typically in vanilla, is taking the spitfire or smg one just to park in a spot in suppressive fire. Hard to work around a 360V unit in suppressive in the right spot.

>>53981479
Wash them with soap and water before assembly.

>>53988895
Spider/jumpy REM with koalas and auto repeater is a bitch, especially when you have selection of best hackers in the game.

So do you think there's a place for a close combat oriented REM?

>>53989607
yes, go to ITS site.

>>53993801
Not sure if shapely fur or genitals between those legs. Gotta love oglaf tho

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>Lasiqs
>two profiles
>two models
>AVA 4
>Fireteam: Core
Am I missing something? This makes no sense.

>>53994380
It's just a case of one of those leftover weird misc. incomplete fireteam core units. Should've been handed a Haris options like the Karakuri.

Or maybe they have a Special Character in mind to be introduced later like Leila.

>>53982182
>You can buy a Spire of Dawn box and end up with useless 74 miniatures.
fair fix, my dear shill

>>53991685
>Nomad reading comprehension
It was a e s t h e t i c s, you degenerate furry.

I heard something about Bostria showing minis that look like the guardians of the galaxy? What?

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>>53995067
The Moderators from Bakunin. Bostria has shown at a seminar that initially they painted them as GotG, but decided it's not worth risking getting sued by Disney, so they posted pictures of them painted as humans in the store.

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>>53995067
>>53995148
Just finished the set. They're fun models.

>>53995269
Almost makes me want to play Bakunin.

In fact as soon as they make a non-shit Kusanagi I'll probably switch.

>>53995269
Izzat Ziggy Stardust?

>>53982762

YOU SIR DESERVE AN AL-FASID!

>>53987550
>Fuck the Avocado

I see you have a fine taste in webcomics, sir.

Re: Sportsmanship

A local gameclub guy is talking a lot during playing. When it's his turn, he's always commenting ceaselessly how things run great for him, sometimes commenting stuff that lies a turn in the future. Reaction to you positioning a model "Ah great, then my X will be able to do Y to him." and such stuff. When your turn, he will put subtle little passive-aggressive irritations on display, like "What?? You want to shoot? Who do you even how to see from that position. No, you can't see him. Okay let's check. Huh, I guess you can shoot then." You never have a moment with him where you laugh together about a funny crit if it's to his disadvantage.

He's not a direct asshole. He wouldn't break rules f.e. It's much more subtle, deteriorating my patience during the game. Was it a vidya, I'd mute him, but tabletop is dependent on communication between players.

I'd like to call him out on that and discuss it with him one day. I find it manipulative in a non-sportsmanship way, but I'd like to formulate it better what I don't like about his behavior. Anyone feel like you know such a guy, and how do you address them?

>>53995269

Did you just make Guardians of the Galaxy?

>>53995673
I'm a guy who talks a lot during game, I always need a bottle of water so my throat doesn't go sore. But I'm never passive aggressive, I'm more likely to comment on my own bad decisions.
One time I basically described everything I need to do to win next turn and the guy just shut it down first order, knowing exactly what I wanted to do. Guess I need to shut up.

>>53995673

Just be calm and chill. When you are moving your guy or checking range just do "deep thinking" body language. Literal holding your chin. Maybe throw in a "Hmmm" or "hold up, I gotta think about this." If he keeps talking during your thought just be like "Dude, hold up." Don't engage in conversation when he is in rant mode. Speak only when you are saying something necessary:

>Al-Fasid is shooting smoke here
>Zhayedan is shooting your Tiger Soldier

I'd also advise making sure to ask "AROs?" between short orders. If he gets snappy about you asking it when he has no ARO available then you have a legit reason to just stop asking.

>>53968150
new haqq sectorial when?

>>53995730
2019 when the next book is released.

>>53995740
>2019

>>53995839
>2021

>>53995740
Acheron Falls will release as a historical supplement. Remember where you were that morning, when you saw that wormhole on fire on Maya?

>>53995681
They were GotG ripoffs from the start.

>>53991219
I want your skin.
I mean the paint sequence for that paintjob.

>>53986924
You forgot "I don't really play but dumb order system / rules bloat / literal Kingdom Death, reee"

>>53996135
I actually get the order system complaint. I think you really need to play to see how it doesn't work in practice like you might imagine.

>>53968772
>>53968666

Completely right.
Use Muttawi'ahs and chain rifle the shit outta those Myrmidons.

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>>53982182
>But other two 2-players boxes for AoS are great.

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>>53997358
>relatively cheap
>easy as fuck to expand
>both factions have updated battletomes and are posterboys of the game
For this price it's just perfect to grab a box and split the cost with a friend but I think you are just baiting to bump the thread so let me end this discussion and left AoS for AoSg threads

>>53997694
>>relatively cheap
>not even 1k pts
>>easy as fuck to expand
>>neither of units fit the current SaS meta
>GW prices

>For this price it's just perfect to grab a box and split the cost with a friend
Nope, it's perfect marketing tool.

>but I think you are just baiting to bump the thread so let me end this discussion and left AoS for AoSg threads
Remind us, why do you came here at first time?

>>53996135
Never understood the complaint about Kingdom Death. The human miniatures look great and the monsters are fantastic, plus the actual game is really fuckin fun.

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>>53997839
>not even 1k pts
That's why I said it's easy to expand - with a start collecting box you have ~1100pts
>neither of units fit the current SaS meta
Man, if you want to play competitive then buy a competitive stuff. It's a starter set for newbies
>Remind us, why do you came here at first time?
To read about Infinity because I'm thinking about start playing the game but I see that whinny babies talking about stuff they have no idea about are everywhere

>>53997841
>Never understood the complaint about Kingdom Death.
Average GW players too young for hentai

>>53997920
>That's why I said it's easy to expand - with a start collecting box you have ~1100pts
Give a definition of "easy". It's not cheap, it's not fast, it's not easy from army-building aspect.
>It's a starter set for newbies
So what? New players should play with shitty lists?

>whinny babies
>says AoS shitposter

>talking about stuff they have no idea about are everywhere
You mean..?

>>53997971
>It's not cheap
It is
>it's not fast
It is - all you need to do is grab a single start collecting box
>it's not easy from army-building aspect
Man, the SCE start collecting box is even designed to fill the retributor unit
>So what? New players should play with shitty lists?
No, and a starter set + sc box is a good list for casual 1000pts games
>says AoS shitposter
How is your collection of grots? Did you burn them or having fun with 9th age?
>You mean..?
I mean you, saltfag

>>53998010
>It is - all you need to do is grab a single start collecting box
yeah let's just ingore time to assemble and paint them
>Man, the SCE start collecting box is even designed to fill the retributor unit
So what? It's still not better than shooting SCE
> for casual 1000pts games
In other words it's a bad list.
>How is your collection of grots? Did you burn them or having fun with 9th age?
>everyone who dislikes AoS os FB player
That's a poor b8, shitposter.
>I mean you, saltfag
>y-y-y-you are saltfag
You have to go back reddit

>>53998062
>yeah let's just ingore time to assemble and paint them
Painting and assembling is a backbone of this hobby. If you don't like the hobby aspect of the hobby, maybe just play x-wing?
>You have to go back reddit
Haha gold post dear Anonymous! ;) Upvote! ;)))

>>53998096
>Painting and assembling is a backbone of this hobby.
So what? It's still costs time, why would you waste your time on something expensive and poorly detailed?

>>53997926
I guess? Worried about having to explain the tiddies to their parents? Mostly I see complaints from virtue signaling tards, the same kind of people who would bitch about the tech bee as sexist. Funny thing is half my KDM players are chicks and they gravitate towards the sexiest posed/least clothed lady minis.

>>53998062
>yeah let's just ingore time to assemble and paint them

Same thing can be said about OI/RV tho??

>>53998230
>Same thing can be said about OI/RV tho??
IMO, but from my experience (40k, Warmahordes, BaneLegions, and other small manufacturies) Infinity is very easy to paint minis for game, it's basically base-wash (highlight edges, but it's optional).

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Call me an idiot but what is the difference between Human Sphere N3 rules and N3 rulebook? What should I read to see how this game works and which rules will I use while playing my first game?

>>53995960
>The heat death of the universe

>>53998641
>N3 Rulebook
Main rules and main factions, also fluff
>Human Sphere
Sectorials and more rules, also more fluff
Read the main rulebook, the rules contained in both books are downloadable on the site. The only thing you don't get in the downloadable version is the fluff.

>>53998641
>N3
The Burger and Buns
>HSN3
The Lettuce, Cheese, Onion, Pickles, and Condiments

>What should I read to see how this game works and which rules will I use while playing my first game?
The core rulebook first. It's generally suggested to start Generic and then go into a sectorial to get the hang of things.

>>53998274
Back in my 40k days that was pretty much what I did too. Infinity just gets better results because of the model detail doing all the work.

>BaneLegions

Please tell me they have big guys

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>>53998743
For you

>>53998743
>Infinity just gets better results because of the model detail doing all the work.
That's what I mean, in 40k, even first models I've always wanted to add more, because models looked very unfinished.
Anyway, anyone tried AvP models?

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>>53998757
nIce.

>>53998853
Man when I first started out I was just happy to have my spess mehreens and tyranids from battle for macragge not look like sloppy dogshit.

>>53998853
Dad collected all the AvP models. Though the newer ones use a cheaper plastic and models are all one piece now. Can't say personally on those, but he seems to be fine gussing them up.

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Well, fuck me - I'm gonna order the pic related this week. What would be the best way to expand both sides on budget?

>>54001956
Dire Foes 6: Defiant Truth is good. Comes with 20pt characters for both YJ and Haqqislam and an HVT. Obviously it's not enough to fill a standanrd 300pt army, but it adds a bit of flavor and complexity to your game (Killer Hackers and Perimeter Weapons)

>>54002199
>Obviously it's not enough to fill a standanrd 300pt army
But it does fill both to 200pts exactly.

>>53986924
You forgot the "ghazi are OP"

>>53986924
>>54004006
There have been a resurgence of ghazi complaints recently haven't there been. I just miss the good old days where we could post about ORCs and bolts being trash, and complain about how TAGs suck too.

>>54004006
>>54004224
It's a valid complaint. 5 points for a super useful unit you don't even have to pump orders into.

At least Bolts and Orcs can be good in certain circumstances and bad in others.

If you play Haqq there's literally no reason no to take Ghazi unless you're a mouthbreathing troglodyte.

Or are you just upset that people are rightfully and finally calling out your faction for its bullshit?

>>54001956
Yeah as >>54002199 points out, it's a pretty good addition.

Outside of that, for Yu Jing a solid start is to grab a Guilang, the Yaokong remote box, and an elite HI (Crane, Yan Huo, Su Jian, Daofei). Grab a Guifeng spec ops to proxy whatever LI/MI profile you want to test.

If you want to select the Hac Tao, he's a little expensive alongside swap the remote box with either Shaolin or Kuang Shi.

Not a Haq player, but the Ayyar, Fiday, Hunzakut, Ghazi seem like a good start.

>>54004224
>There have been a resurgence of ghazi complaints recently haven't there been.

I'd say it started when they got smoke. Ghazi are beyond fucked.

>>54004478
>Or are you just upset that people are rightfully and finally calling out your faction for its bullshit?

Wait until the bandwagoners and powergamers get their CHA assembled, then you will have something to cry about.

>>54005234
CHA is garbage tier.

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>>54005134
Oh, that would make the shopping list longer then I wanted but thanks for advice

>>54001956
On what budget?

>>54005134
This anon says good things, I'd forgo the elite YJ HI as you'll probably be fielding the Hsien for now.

>>53998757
I really wish more minis companies included that little silhouette so you can tell how big a mini is.

>>54001956
As someone who recently started YJ.

I heavily suggest finding out which (vannila, ISS, or JSA) you like the look of most and focusing your purchases in that direction. If you like vanilla get a Guilang, ISS get a Kanren, JSA buy the Ninja blister. Get the Yaokong remotes box. The Rui Shi/Lu Duan box is also a great puchase. A sectorial Starter is a good purchase for either of YJ sectorials.

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>>54005234
>>discussing the infinity bingo
>> it's missing some salty tears from ghazi haters
>>not anymore it doesn't

Please point on the doll where the ghazi touched you.

>>54005234
I thought Ghazi being 2gud since HSN3 was just something generally accepted. Like Posthumans being undercosted, or Securitate being shit. It's not really something worth complaining about, just something to explain to any new players.

>>54007866
Truth.

>>54007866
>>54007875
Pretty much.

Nothing wrong with telling people to use Ghazi because they're good.

Nothing wrong with bitching about a really useful piece that costs a negligible 5 points.

>>54007866
Kinda like a Su Jian. At 59 points it will do more with its spitfire than just about anything in its points range can while being ungodly sturdy.

>>54007945
The only thing that really bugs me about Ghazi is that they're pretty much mandatory for Haqq.

I play Morats and it's pretty boring shit taking Kornak every match but if you don't you literally handicap yourself for no reason.

Seeing the same shit played by literally everyone makes it boring.

>>54008159
Yet to ever use Ghazi and I've won tons of games.

The issue is simply cost to effect. If a Ghazi was like 8-10 points I doubt anyone would complain. Personally I don't care, I consider Haqq's game not cheap capable dudes, but unequal piece trading.

Though I also have to say if all it takes is for a couple of your guys to get isolated to make your plan fall apart you need a better plan B.

>>54008227
>I consider Haqq's game not cheap capable dudes, but unequal piece trading.
That's exactly what Ghazi do. Except they're one of the cheapest units in the game.

>>54008227
It's not even a 'I need a plan B' it's that for 20 points, you get 4 guys that counter 90% of defenses in the game.

They can fire through walls (unique ability)
They can attack camo markers directly (unique ability)
They can use a template E/M attack (unique ability aside from Switch)
They can ARO through walls on an unmodifiable 15 (unique ability)
They can drop smoke (valuable)
They can chain rifle template (valuable).

For 6 points, a Morlock is more expensive and does everything worse except get a random stat, some CC gain and fire his pistol more accurately.

>>54008292
And to top it all off they've got Dogged.

>>53973349
> People taking obvious bait

>>54008159
Kornak isn't what I'd call autoinclude. He's good, but Sogarat, Rodok and Yaogat LT (or Suryat if you're using them) are solid options. Strategos L1 isn't that important when you're just going to use the lieutenant order on the lieutenant anyway. You want an autoinclude lieutenant just look at Saladin. Cheap Strategos 3 is hard to pass up.

The main problem with Ghazi is the threat. Smoke and dogged on a chain rifle warband isn't an unbeatable combination, as Galwegians have that much with berserk and high CC to boot. The problem is the e/marat and jammer. They ensure that Ghazi can conveniently fuck over every target in the game, and all they have to do is get reasonably close (which they can do easily with smoke and dogged). Instantly gutting enemy heavy hitters is massively powerful for a 5 point unit, and doing it through walls is just ridiculous.

>>54008661
He gives you a extra order in a army that usually needs every order it can get which is why you run shit like hungries.

Pretty crucial.

>>54008292

How does intuitive attack work with the jammer? Is it just a single WIP roll against the enemy's reset attempt? How is that different from a regular jammer attack?

>>54008708
A Sogarat does exactly the same thing provided you put one order a turn into it (which you will). Rodok and Yaogat can't do that, but the former is in a very efficient and versatile link while the latter can be in a haris alongside Hungries. Just use link teams to do most of your work, they're the main strength of MAF.

>>54008905
Korny still feels more versatile and he packs a decent set of weapons making him able to play aggressively without to much concern.

>>54009275
He's more versatile than a Sogarat, but with less raw power. Homeboy is a good option, but he's just that: an option. He's not something I feel the need to put in every MAF list I make.

>>54008661
>Strategos L1 isn't that important when you're just going to use the lieutenant order on the lieutenant anyway.
Exactly.

>>54008737
You can use it against models in a non impersonation marker state.

>>54010365
Makes a difference if said LT is in a fireteam though.

>>54012338
This. Our designated morat player always brings Kornak with Suryat haris.

Maybe its luck maybe it's my dice (but I got game science precision dice to co bat this) I am shit at dice rolls.
What viable its force can spam templates? I'm running French but 4 chasseurs with mines isn't enough

>>53977122
>"Outrage" is the Infinity ""Manga"" that came out in April

oooh cool! I've always wanted to see this happen.

>>53968150
Beba&D.va crossover when?!

Correct me if I'm wrong. Each member of a fireteam can react in an aro? Right?

>>54013507
Yes, and they all get the fireteam bonuses.

>>54013507
Yeah but they all need to do the same thing.

Anyone play at Mox Seattle?

>>53968150
Late to the party here, but is the issue the sculpts or the paint job? Because those faces are ROUGH. Loli looks ok I guess.

>>54014022
I think its the paintjob, the face is a mess especially the eye, Angel paint it too big. It show that he's really rushing it.

The only mini that was actually hideous is Domovoi imo.

>>54008292
Are you seriously saying Haqq is the uniquely bullshit faction? As a Nomad player?

>>54014022
Little of column A, Little of Column B.

Emily's forehead's too big with eyes so squinty, Domovoi kind of looks like a man made out of balloons, and the paint jobs aren't exactly flattering at certain angles.

But overall many people still love/hate it.

>>54014781
Ghazi are a uniquely bullshit unit.

The only real bullshit faction is Tohaa.

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>well, I don't know why people say this game is hard to learn, there's only like 30 pages of basic rules, the other 270 must be mostly fluff like in Warhammer
>holy f-

>>54015320
Once you get the core down, which is movement, order expenditure, F2F rolls, etc. It really just becomes a matter of remembering your equipment and guns which is usually printed on your sheet.

>>54015320
Just focus on core rules for your first 10 games. Then slowly introduce other rules, byy 20 games you will only have to look stuff up on the wiki every other game or so.

Its so worth it, and the curve levels off, unlike malifux or wmh, and there is much less rules argument, like GW.

>>54008227
They should either lose jammer, or lose dogged AND be 8-10 points.

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>>54014915
Domovoi looks realistic as fuck to me.

>>54014915
and emily looks great if you paint her to look like Rihanna

hey, folks.

creating a character for the rpg. do you know if I have to roll a career event for every career I take at character creation?

>>54016818

You roll a career event for every career phase you take, yes.

I'm playing in the RPG at the moment, although I'm still worried a combo I set up for is too strong. The Education talent Maya Wired just seems totally nuts.

>>54016735
His clothes detailed very-very poorly

>>53968150
These are not painted by Angel, aren't they?

>>54017110
Beba and Emily were on Giraldez's instagram earlier, albeit censored due to spoilers. And you see all the models' bases.

"Finished bases, now I have to finish the miniatures" would be a safe bet in him likely having painted these.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVM9KuvlsLF/

Because I can't do a direct image link to it right now.

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>>54016949
here have more clothes detail in this one

>>54017184
Looks like he was really tight on time then. Specially the pink haired girl, her skin looks really basic compared to the others, compare for example the skin on the muscle guy, they are at totally different levels.

Some edge highlights look pretty thick too, like if he rushed them.

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Is whether or not Aristeia will have miniatures a deciding factor for anyone else too? I like that CB is expanding outside their IP, but I'm not interested if there are no minis. Or maybe Aristeia is just intended for an audience outside of the players.

>>54016229
Galwegians and Morlocks say hi.

>>54017996
>morlocks
>might randomly have a useful skill
>probably just going to get +1 armor

>>54017501
>Is whether or not Aristeia will have miniatures a deciding factor for anyone else too?
Nope , if I could be able to use usual infinity models.

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>>54017039
The absolute madman

>>54017501
On top of models (haven't they been confirmed on Twitter a while ago?) I'd hope for cool terrain theme possibilities beyond the mere hex-field that showed up in the teaser

When is it OK to hotglue Limited Edition Joan?

Can somebody give me an explanation of the rules for mines? I understand that they ARO, but how do you get rid of them?

>>54018018
10% of the time get the very useful Mov 8-4
20% of the time get the very useful Dogged or NWI skills
10% of the time get the very useful +3 to Smoke Dodging, Regular Dodging, and +3 Damage in CC.
10% of the time get what's essentially a "ficken sich I'm back up" if you happen to take a hit in the Impetuous phase or otherwise.
10% for a skill that provides tricky positioning and surprises people prone on top of buildings
So about half of those Morlocks are going to have great skills that really tie in to their cheap close quarters oriented loadouts, because you're never just going to get just one.
And don't that +1 Arm either. Had a couple that tanked a bunch of HMG hits by that small +1 difference and then further proceeded to ruin the battle for me.

>>54018337
When she's unpainted and you have soap and water on hand.
>>54018383
You get rid of them by discovering then shooting them (they have STR and are targets once revealed from the camo state), discovering then minesweeping them (there's a remote that lets you turn Mines to work for you), or simply dodging them when they hit you with their template.

>>54018483
Thank You

>>54018383
You can intuitive fire them or discover and shoot them.

There's also the deactivator skill that engineers possess that can deactivate revealed mines

>>54018337
When her back is turned and your ADHL is ready.

>>54012839
Well going by this thread you should simply bring 4 Ghazi and you will win every game ;^)

>>54018988
Just imagine the power of a list with 4 Ghazi Muttawi'ah, Posthumans, a Lt Kornak Haris, and a Fireteam Core of Kuang Shi and a Su-Jian.

>>54019321
Throw in an Intruder or a Nisse, Interventor, Morans and some Netrods.

>>54019321
>>54019365

Actually, this sounds like a fun thought experiment.

Throwing aside faction limitations, what's the most busted as fuck list you can possibly imagine?

>>54019498
Giving PanO what it lacks, with Joan or Wallace to make everything Regular.
>BS15 MSV3 shooting through Smoke

>>54019529
>>54019498
Regular irmaninhos with a Halqa Doctor midfield. Switch but regular. Chasseurs midfield.

>>54019529
>>54019772
Hmmm it's almost like Inspiring Leadership is busted.

>>54019954
That's why it's limited to Joan and Wallace and CHA is infamous for it.

>>54020045
I remember the one time that I saw Wallace in Vanilla Ariadna and was baited to get him as I thought he was the Lt (it was first turn, my go). Because why take Wallace not as your Lt?

turns out he's not a Lt option in vanilla, I was ignorant of this fact, and he died to my Oniwaban but He really wasn't at at a loss of anything of value.