On the legitimacy of monstergirls

>>53967977
make em more monster than girl. if your players aren't degenerates, that should avoid the magical realm

>>53967977
Include males of the monstergirl races to the setting too.

>>53967977
I'd say just play it straight, but try to cut out more of the "feeds on semen" details.

For homebrewing races I'm pretty sure there's a guide somewhere, but if you wanna do it yourself I suggest looking at the other races and making something of a similar power level with relevant bonuses

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>>53968032
I mean more use the MGE in terms of "inspiration" for lore, abilities and/or appearance. For example; say I wanted to make a basilisk MG race. Obviously, amongst other things, I can't let them have petrifying vision from the start. But, do I go with a naga-esque form like in the original pic? Or something like pic attached, which actually more closely resembles the official D&D basilisk?

>>53967977
excuse the reddit but this guy did a monstergirl campaign that worked out pretty well
https://www.reddit.com/r/DnDGreentext/comments/6bbo5q/of_guys_gooblins/

>>53968078
Some races like Drow get spell-like abilities at certain levels, so you could give them that at a certain level.

For shape it doesn't matter that much, but give relevant buffs/debuffs, for example having a serpentine body would probably give you some kind of advantage against being grappled

>>53967977
> what are ways that a DM could legitimately include monstergirl races in their setting without turning it into an outright ERP or Magical Realm?
Just go full-on Greek mythos, anon. I mean, that shit included rape, transformation, bestiality, incest and other "wonders" of the universe, but no one complains about it.

>>53967977
>then what are ways that a DM could legitimately include monstergirl races in their setting without turning it into an outright ERP or Magical Realm?
Ever heard of sirens and harpies, motherfucker? If Greek mythos is too "magical realm" for you, make like a faggot and fuck off.

>>53968118
You know, if my network wasn't going to fade out of connection in less than two hours and make my ability to post erratic, posts like this would make me try actually doing some proto draft statblocks for MG PC races.

Or maybe I should just go ahead and do it anyway, since it seems like anons may keep this thread afloat on their own?

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>>53967977
They're all evil enemies.
There, magical realm is solved so kill your fill.

>>53968173
Go for it anon
if you want critiques you can post them here and other anons can fix/balance them
>I say that not knowing if anybody else would participate, but I would

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>>53968032
To be honest that's worse because then it turns them into softcore porn without any possible sexual horror elements that might redeem this. You might as well just be playing a kemono friends game. Might be good for lighthearted fun, but is that really what you want to be spending game night on?

As it stands, Monstergirls are unimaginative normie weaboo trash for people who aren't kinky enough to have fetishes of their own, and need to get them from an encyclopedia.

Actually... what MG races would one need to brew from scratch in 5e?

Dwarves: Reflavor to MG format, and you're done.

Elves: Ditto dwarves.

Halflings: Ditto dwarves.

Gnomes: Ditto dwarves.

Tieflings: Some slight reflavoring as fiends who fled their unholy planes and sacrificed most of their power to rise above their damned roots? Sort of an "Ascended Demon" version of 4e's Deva.

Dragonborn: Reflavor as the setting's dragon-girls. Add a racial feat to give them wings, if they didn't get one in that UA article.

Genasi: Reskin as elemental MGs.

Half-Orcs: ...Reskin as full-blooded orcs, maybe? Personally, I think the official 5e orc crunch is a disaster. Alternatively, keep 'em as half-orcs and these are the "tusked green amazon" orcs, whilst pureblood orcs are green p'orcs.

Goliath: Reflavor as Ogre MGs?

Firbolgs/Kenku/Tabaxi/Tritons: Just MGify?

But, seriously, if you want to see me take a shot at a particular race for whatever reason, bring it up and I'll try to get a draft statblock done for you.

>>53968399
The thread implies the players would be monster girls, not fighting them

>>53968399
You do know the MGE is full of body warping monsters and potions to remove your humanity, as well as several furries right?
Nothing within those pages is redeemable and they must all be purged.

>>53968501
Yeah that's kickass. People always want to turn them into generic moe girls though.

>>53968501
Do you remember when /tg/ wasn't afraid of literally anything that could be perceived as fetishy?

>>53968539
It's too much when the shoggoth wants to merge into a single entity with you, or the mindflayer turns you into a carcass that's still alive and can fuck.

>>53968565
Have you considered that you are just a boring pussy who hates things because they are unfamiliar?

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>>53968565
>the shoggoth wants to merge into a single entity with you
So like The Thing?

>>53968472
Either or, Fight monsters, become monsters, forge uneasy alliances with monster kind, help monsters fight other monsters. Stare into the Abyss.

>>53968501
Temporary though

>>53968593
If I'm a boring pussy because I'd rather burn the siths then I am.

Alright, I'm going back to bed, but if anons are interested and this thread survives that long, which of the following "draft" MG races do folks want to see?

Ankheg
Basilisk
Behir
Beholder
Centaur
Cockatrice

I figure focus on select few first, then keep progressing. And yes, I'll take requests from either the Monster Manual or the MGE if anons ask.

>>53968552
That nazi mod pretty much killed this place.

>>53969347
It was a small price to pay to get rid of Flare, Jim Profit, and quests.

>>53969367
Cure that kills the patient.

And now we're back to being swarmed by shitposters and autists anyway.

>>53967977
I mean if you play MonsterHearts and you're not either a monstegirl or banging a monstergirl you are playing incorrectly. So yeah, just play monsterhearts.

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>>53968879
Since it was the pic that I started the thread with, let's try the Basilisk PC first.

Since petrification is pretty hard to balance as a racial trait, I went with the current format instead; I figure a petrifying upgrade could be gated behind a racial feat.


Basilisk-MG
Ability Score Modifier: +2 Wisdom
Size: Medium
Speed: 30 feet
Vision: Darkvision 60 feet
Burning Eyes: You have Proficiency in Perception.
Malign Gaze: You have either the Withering Gaze or the Baleful Gaze racial trait; once you have made your choice, it cannot be used again. Regardless of which Gaze you have, it follows these rules. Your Gaze is a magical ranged attack with a range of 60 feet. You can use your Gaze as an Action to target a single creature within range. The target can negate the effects of your Gaze by succeeding on a Constitution saving throw, DC + your Proficiency bonus + your Wisdom modifier. Once you have used your Gaze, you cannot use it again until you complete a long rest.
Subrace: Choose either the Serpentine or Squamous Basilisk subrace for your remaining racial features.

Serpentine Basilisk
Ability Score Modifier: +1 Dexterity
Belly-Crawler: You slither on a giant snake's tail instead of having legs; as such, you cannot use magical items based on footwear. However, you do not reduce your speed when crawling, and can rise from the prone position without spending movement to do so.

Squamous Basilisk
Ability Score Modifier: +1 Constitution
Many-Limbed Scuttler: You are immune to difficult terrain that is based on the ground being rough or uneven.

* Withering Gaze: Your Gaze attack inflicts 1d6 force damage and if the target fails their Constitution save, they are Paralyzed until the end of your next turn, or 1 minute once you are 7th level.

* Baleful Gaze: Your Gaze inflicts 1d6 Poison damage, and if they fail their Constitution save, the victim is Poisoned until the end of your next turn, or 1 minute once you are 7th level.

>>53968879
>Beholder
Because how the hell are you gonna balance this thing

>>53969877
Well, for starters, cut the power enormously, but then, that's kind of obvious. This is my first draft, but you're right, it definitely needs adjusting and rebalancing.


Beholder-MG (Gazer?)
Ability Score Modifiers: +2 Intelligence, +1 Charisma
Size: Small (technically "medium but counts as small, in a reverse of the Dwarf)
Speed: 20 feet, Fly (Hover) 20 feet
Vision: Darkvision 120 feet
TK Ray: You can cast the Mage Hand cantrip at will. Your Mage Hand manifests as a continuous beam of energy from your eyes, but this is purely a cosmetic change.
Levitation: You have a Fly speed of 20 feet and the Hover ability.
Many-Eyed: You have Advantage on Perception checks based on sight.
Eye Rays: You possess a single Level 1 Eye Ray from the list below. At 3rd level, you can choose a single Level 3 Eye Ray from the list below, or a second Level 1 Eye Ray. At 5th level, you ca choose a single Level 5 Eye Ray from the list below, or an eye ray of your choice from the 1st or 3rd level tables. Level 3 and 5 Eye Rays are cast as spells of default level (1st and 2nd), and once you have used an eye ray of 3rd or 5th level, you cannot use it again until you complete a long rest. Intelligence is your spellcasting ability score for Eye Rays.

Level 1 Eye Rays
* Acid Splash
* Chill Touch
* Fire Bolt
* Friends
* Light
* Poison Spray
* Ray of Frost
* Control Flames
* Frostbite
* Mold Earth
* Shape Water

Level 3 Eye Rays
* Burning Hands
* Charm Person
* Chromatic Orb
* Color Spray
* Magic Missile
* Ray of Sickness
* Ice Knife

Level 5 Eye Rays
* Flaming Sphere
* Melf's Acid Arrow
* Ray of Enfeeblement
* Scorching Ray
* Aganazzar's Scorcher

>>53967977
>Use the MGE as a basis
>using the fluff from porn
Don't fucking do that, idiot.

>not following your inner greek and going full Magical Realm a la Ancient Greek Mythology.

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>>53967977
Just don't make it weird. I'd imagine the most immediate reason people would be turned off is because "monstergirls" as a TM is something inherently sexual in most cases. They're not "monstergirls", they should just be "monsters".

>>53967977
As much as it can be argued in favor of Monster Girls, and I agree with a lot of it, monster girls aside from harpies and medusas would be an immediate red flag for me.

On paper it sounds fine, but in practice there are concerns.

>>53970873
>implying classical monstergirls/Yokai weren't always inherently sexual in nature.

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>>53968501
>>53968552
>>53968593

Much as I love related MGQ if you seriously think that shit is even remotely acceptable by anyone who isn't outside the realm of relative normalcy then some synapses aren't firing. Just imagine trying to defend something you think is completely normal to someone who thinks you're fucking insane in court. MGE is similar in that aspect.

Also Kenkou Cross has got to have some of the most boring Monstergirl designs I've seen. They literally all have the same face and the same body.

>>53971446
They were evil people eaters until they decided to waifu them.
Like Bai Su Zhen going from a predator that is stopped by a heroic monk to being the tragic heroine doomed to lose her human lover because of the evil monk who was probably a demon in that retelling.

>>53971555
They were still sexual before then though. The only thing that changed was it was supposed to be romantic rather than horrifying. What hassn't changed is that monstergirls are a stand in for (((Foreign))) women, who are probably witches or something.

Most human cultures had to deal with this problem at one point. It's only natural it would show up in their stories. The Exotic other is both a danger (will seduce your men and cause them to betray your tribe) and an opportunity (Marrying one of them could bring peace between your two tribes)

You can find out which happened more often based on how the story ends, But never forget it's about what might happen if you fuck an exotic qt without it being a properly arranged marriage. Monstergirls are about Miscegenation.

>>53971685
Or, you know, about Greek gods being dicks to mortals they don't like.

>>53971705
Greek gods are dicks to everyone, Artemis killed her devoted follower and totally not husbando.

>>53971705
Mortals who tend to be women, particularly women who are from another tribe, and might be witches.

Come on, "Those people look funny because the gods made them differently than us." is one of the oldest stories in the book.

>>53971786
Thing is those stories always end badly, showing that you shouldn't trust the fox lady if you want to keep your liver.

>>53971820
Or your balls. Strictly off the books.

>>53971820
Yes, but sometimes the tragedy is on the girl's side as well. And then the message becomes "Get your father's permission before trying to build an inter-tribal alliance."

>>53971871
It becomes "stop asking questions and just kill them".

>>53971886
Ah fuck, I cut myself on that edge just read this

>>53971930
They're monsters anon, only one way of dealing with them.

>>53968501
>You do know the MGE is full of body warping monsters and potions to remove your humanity
And most of them look normal as fuck, and justify what they're doing by "loving" you. MGE doesn't fix the problem, it compounds it by making even the "horrors" cute, or sexy, and the pay of sex for your life, but who cares you'll enjoy it until you die. The only time this isn't the case is when the horrors inhuman as fuck like the Iron Maiden with tentacles in the game, and if that's the case, no normie wants anything to do with that because it isn't cute or sexy

>>53969665
>>53970219
So, just how overpowered are these, anyway?

>>53973620
Just one popped boner and you're theirs.
It gets worse from there as some are anime tier retard strong.
Lilims make pocket dimensions to rule and live in.

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I actually played in a game that used MG, and it was all pretty much fetish nonsense. I'd suggest abandoning the fluff and making them self-sufficient races. If they have to eat as often as normal creatures, your game is nothing but sex, so scrap the jizzfeasting or make it something they need to do once a month. I'd look to MGE but mostly mythology for inspiration. The races that were available in the game I played didn't have shit about their environments, cultures, or anything really useful for understanding how they fit into the world. If they're completely integrated into society, a small bit about typical jobs, lifespans, heights and weights, and relations with other races is nice. Don't make too many, or it'll just get confusing, I think.

Oh, and how common they are. Having a large population with no males could increase tensions, as they may be considered parasitic by humans. They take men, decreasing the pool of available men for coupling, which could be considered threatening, since their pop would rise while human birth rates would fall.

Consider maluses based on physiology. Being cold-blooded should be somewhat prohibitive. Lots of these creatures can't into shoes.

How would basic society adjust to accommodate such creatures? Would houses for MG be more expensive due to custom design?

They can be interesting, depending how you play it. Or they could just be fetishbait shoved into ther world with no context. Up to you, really.

>>53967977
Just use them as extra self contained playable races. It's not fucking hard.

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>>53967977
As a GM of a monster(girl/boy) campaign, there are easy guidelines to follow:

1. Don't make it weird
2. Include men
>in b4 b-but muh magical realm
Rule 1
>in b4 b-but i'm too insecure to even imagine possibility of monsterboys existing
Rule 1
3. Having races with dramatically different physical characteristics is AWESOME. Use it. Use it to its full potential. Monstergirl settings can be a way to explore physical and physiological differences far greater than your usual "human, dwarf, elf" trifecta.
>Oh cool, i'll describe in great detail how they fu-
Rule. Fucking. 1
4.Print out monster girl encyclopedia page, then set them on fire. Might also do a small ritual dance over them. Kenkou Cross art is good, but his writing and worldbuilding are atrocious even by /tg/ standards, and you have to try to get lower than /tg/ standards. Everything written there is irredeemable.

>>53968005
But anon, what if I am the degenerate?

>>53974541
>monsterboys
>awesome
Gay.

>>53969347
Look. All you guys had to do was stop posting /d/ content in /tg/ and you could have stopped nazimod in his tracks. And you couldn't stop. I agree futaspammer singlehandedly killed /d/, but honestly it should have been taken to /h/ or something.

>>53974541
>different physical characteristics is awesome
This, holy shit.

>>53974635
>Rule 1
i prefer "monsterguys", but literally nobody uses that term.

>>53974755
I'd rather just have them be spawned asexually as a byproduct of the world's magic.
Kinda like digimon.

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>>53974541
>>53974752
> Mfw when I shoot people from the ceiling.
To be fair, it's a bit OP.

>>53974824
It's not that OP, you can't fit into the tavern half the time.

>>53974798
I really don't understand this weird aversion, but whatever floats your goat, i guess.

>>53974834
I'm not fat! I just have a big exoskeleton!
But yeah, social interactions are ... often complicated, but it's fun to dismiss horrified reactions.
> "Ah I understand, I did not find the time to posh up and I am really not presentable."

>>53975013
heck, most things are more fun.
Though, it's considered bad form for the DM to make too many dungeons too big. Like, taverns is fine, it's all in good fun, but you can't be a man down for a long delve for meta reasons.

You know, honestly, if you cut out the kinky shit and the hamfisted stupid backstory, many of the MGE races aren't even that weird by D&D standards.

No, seriously. Since the days of OD&D, PC races have included things like elf-ogre hybrids that were basically ogre-sized & strong elves with cannibalistic appetites, flying raccoon-monkeys, sphinxes, brownies, pixies, fae philosopher-priests who happened to be halfling-sized talking owls, giant spiders who could shapechange into human form, swashbuckling wolf-people, samurai cat-people, Mexican Bandito-flavored orcs, flying centaurs, regular centaurs, mermaids, dryads, fauns, treants, 18 inch tall amazon warriors, and neanderthals, and that's just the ones I know about.

In the light of that, something that looks like the basilisk in the opening picture isn't really so weird, is it?

>>53975248
It ain't so much about weirdness as it is just /tg/ ree-ing at the slightest possibility of sexuality being a thing. Otherwise, yeah monster people really aren't that weird. We already have anthropomorphized animals in the mainstream media, humanoid monsters - devoid of the focus on sexuality the idea is often built on -
don't seem so strange next to it.

>>53967977
>without turning it into an outright ERP or Magical Realm?
Not including ERP or magical realm elements?
I mean they don't have to lust after dicks, even if one of the PC's waifu one it's not any different than if they waifued a human or elf

Even if you threw in monstergirls, it's only as ERPish as you play them as

>>53968399
>but is that really what you want to be spending game night on?
I would be

Ffxiv does it decently well as they're"beast tribes" there. They got snek girls.

>>53967977
That depends on a few things.
If there are monster guys, then there is no need to delve into human fuckery, thus avoiding the magical realm.
However, there may be species that are all female. Magical realm aversion can be written off by making them not completely biological, such as being magically spawned, or by making them asexual reproducers or non-futa hermaphrodites.
If there are mgs that require human bada-bing to proliferate, that is where it gets tricky.

So, let's say I wanted to go with an MG setting. Putting on my thinking cap, I come up with the following details:

* World was literally made by a kinky Demiurge (epic-level wizard/psion with the power to make whole worlds/universes), who has since died off.

* MGs were created as fetish fuel races.

* Humans descend from servants he placed there and then basically abandoned.

* Human/MG pairing has a 1 in 3 chance of making a new MG, a male human, or a female human.

* No races remember that they were made to be living sex toys, so they treat their existence as "real", just like any standard D&D race.

* Even the need for human mates isn't 100% true since most species have some way of asexually propagating - dwarves literally forge new dwarf women out of precious metals, elves are born from the flowers of ginormous trees, etc. Men are just a quicker, easier, and arguably more pleasant way to reproduce.

* Humans have something of a hat as "The Diplomats", but then, this was their hat in 3.5's Races of Destiny too. Also, they can fight and win against almost everything, under the right circumstances, MGs can't curbstomp everybody just because they're not human.

How much of a /d/ tier Magical Realm would such a setting be?

>>53974838
The weird aversion is he's a shitty person far too invested in his fetish.
literally responding 'gay' to the idea that there might be a male counterpart to monstergirls shows he's only interested in them as far as his dick takes him.

should be avoided at all costs/10

>>53978660
Some people's dicks are dumb, my dick much prefers when monstergirls have male counterparts so shit makes more sense.

>>53977533
The lore is weak, and your players would likely come in expecting a fetish game. It really depends on how you play it, but its roots are clearly /d/. If the races had their own conflicts and sex didn't become the primary or even tertiary theme of the campaign, it could make a decent romp. If sex is central, it's just ERP. Not that that's inherently bad.

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>>53968013
This, pretty much.

Myself, I am only interested in Holstauruses/Cowgirl Tittymonsters as far as monster girls go, because lactation fetish. This does go completely counter to what the OP is aiming for, of course.

I'll be honest, I'd be pretty creeped out knowing there was some greasy overweight guy on the other end of IRC / on the other side of the table trying to cater to my magical realm. Smut vidya / solitaire games are one thing, but I don't think ERP is on my menu.

>>53977533

This is literally what this thread is advising against. 0/10 would not play in.

>>53968399
did... did you just kinkshame people for not being kinky ENOUGH

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This semen demon used semen to reproduce.

>>53980184
Could be salvaged by with the right execution. Make the demiurge still alive and his psychic influence is what makes everyone go sex-crazed.

The party then plays as a wandering band of heroes literally beating sense into monster girls and take down the wizard to return the world to a sane state.

If you want to go really crazy make it an Isekai story with both the PCs and the wizard coming from our world. I did that and had the players able to summon mythical weapons. Polearms were fucking OP.

>>53980340
>could be salvaged
The problem is, your concept is fundamentally rooted into "one sex only, sex-crazed monstergirls" which is the shittiest execution of monsterfolk imaginable.

You can't salvage that.

>isekai

There's bad ideas, and then there's "oh shit nigger what are you doing" ideas.

>>53980361
Ideas don't matter, execution is what counts. Twilight is vampires with individual powers scretely ruling the world, but it's still shit.

The idea is horrible? Make it a parody and point out the flaws of the system. Granted, that only really works if there is a body of works to make fun of and that's why I mentioned isekai.

This is already so far from good that only going full circle is feasible, so we might at least make it the biggest garbage fire we can get.

>>53980184
So... the fact that this is a setting where literally the only difference between the demihuman races in it and the demihumans in another setting is that said demihumans are all-female, where sex is NOT the focus and literally all you do is the same "explore ruins, seek power, kill people over treasure" routine as in any other setting...

Makes it the very same "it's all about the semen-guzzling sex-mad fetish-fuel races" setting that every anon has been saying to avoid?

...Somehow, I'm not following your train of logic here.

Literally all I said was "the demihumans are female only because the Demiurge was a pervert; but he's been dead forever and so the races on this world just get alone like normal fantasy races do - which mostly means killing each other over turf, treasure and grudges".

>>53980402
Execution does count, but 9 times out of 10 people will judge your setting by initial idea. And the initial idea is shit.

>>53980411
I didn't really get this whole "sex is not the focus" when literally half of points in the >>53977533
concern sex. If that wasn't what you wanted to convey, congratulations, you failed.

Also monogender races are shit. SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT.

>>53980469
>Also monogender races are shit.

This, so much. You are telling your audience, in their face, that you only care about the sex appeal of a race if you make them technicolor human chicks. And no, asexual races are not the same.
Same thing with those races where the guys are massive monsters but all the women are just humans with animal ears or tails.

If you want your monster girl setting to be anything other than wanking, you need to add males or aknowledge the fact that they are sex toys and actually so something interesting with it.

>>53980411
To me, it's odd that they can even reproduce with humans. It feels tacked on for fetishism. Why make your sex toys capable of reproduction with your servants if they can already asexually reproduce? Why do you need your sex toys capable of reproduction at all?

>>53980672
>Why do you need your sex toys capable of reproduction at all?
Easy and enjoyable way to make new sex toys?

>>53980632
see, making the men monsters isn't thinking with your dick.
It's thinking with whatever part of your body is responsible for thinking street sharks is awesome.
Because OF COURSE the street sharks have fly shark honeys.

>>53980747
No, it's not in making the men when you think with your dick. It's when you have a bunch of awesome monsters and you think that for each and everyone of them, the female version must be a supermodel.

>>53980747
desu it's possible to have both, either as "subraces" or weird magical bullshit mutations.

Yes, that includes making some women massive monsters too.

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>>53980765
Usually I do it like this
>>53980768
Honestly, I never am too specific with these things. A merman might be upset that his mer daughter is dating a shark man.

>>53980676
I mean, I guess. If you're shitting out entire races with your powers, seems it'd be faster to do that than to deal with pregnancy. And their ability to reproduce asexually means pregnancy is really just an inconvenience. The lore feels like a loose justification for fetishism. If you really wanted this lore, I'd suggest really fleshing it out. It'd honestly be easier to just include a dude version where appropriate and be done with it.

>>53979029
>made up monsters
>sense

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>>53980469
>mono gender races are shit
YOU'ZE A GRETCHIN GIT CRULL.

>>53974541
You sound like a fag mad because there's a way to use monstergirls without your beloved monsterboys

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>>53981698
>I'm not insecure, you're just gay!
Like clockwork.

>>53982057
If you have both genders then it's no longer monstergirls or monsterboys, just monsters. Which defeats the point of the thread.
It's like someone asking how to make a good Necron army and you tell them to make an ig conscript list instead. Shitposter.

>>53982161
>just monsters
Not monsters, monsterfolk/monsterpeople. The point is having human part and monster part, which is a pretty unisex concept.

Honestly you sound like someone who doesn't want sanctity of his magical realm defiled by icky things like actual worldbuilding.

>>53982415
Generic fantasy races in place of the topic is not a solution.
Stop being an uncreative pleb just because you're afraid of being seen as part of a magical realm.

>>53982454
Monstergirls/boys aren't generic fantasy races though.

>>53982485
They are when they're the same races.

>>53971555
>They were evil people eaters until they decided to waifu them.

The first Kitsune was literally just a waifu. I believe Kumiho came after that.
Plus Sirens were always maneaters.

>>53971774
Artemis has done far worse. My favorite is the story of Aura.

One of Artemis's followers groped her in a spring and made fun of how feminine her figure was, saying there was no way Artemis could be a virgin, unlike herself with her boyish figure. So Artemis called up the goddess of revenge and had that huntress drugged and raped and impregnated with twins by Dionysus, making her completely lose her shit and attempt to commit suicide by throwing herself into lion dens- but all the lions were too scared of her, since she was such an amazing and renowned hunter. Eventually she went on top of a mountain, gave birth, and devoured one of her babies which is apparently what it took to make Artemis realize she had gone too far, so she swooped in to save the other twin and Aura fell off the mountain and died.

>>53982621
Nope. Use your imagination.

>>53982731
I am using my imagination, you're the one that's trying to turn everything into generic fantasy.

>>53982645
Sirens weren't maneaters, just assholes that got their kicks from making men drown.

>>53983433
Then how would you do it?

>>53983459
They are the result of a magic experiment gone wrong, there is only a set number of each type but they can't reproduce and are effectively immortal.

>>53983647
okay and

>>53983660
They're motivated most by their own survival and getting more powerful by any means to secure said survival.
They can feel how many others are left, the fear that one day it'll be them creeping ever closer.
Of course, the type of monster they are affects how this is felt. Orcs get smarter and stronger, lamias more pronounced in manipulating people. All to stay alive.

>>53968501
MGE?

>>53983452
Depends on the story. Several have ships wreck on their island instead of just having sailors throw themselves into the water, resulting in them being aten.

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>>53983764
Monster Girl Encyclopedia

>>53983764
Monster Girl Encyclopedia.
Even though the desire to have sex with monster women is as old as civilization of not more so.

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Best girl coming through

>>53983927
At least it ain't cuck horse.

>>53967977
Deconstruct the shit out of it. Human society there would be so anti-sex that it would probably make the Puritans look like an orgy. The cycle of persecution and bloodshed would result from all sides trying to survive. Make it as grimderpy as possible.

I don't want to take this thread off too much of a /t/an/g/ent, but I'm surprised that Monster Musume would take place in one of the most xenophobic countries in the developed world. The monster girls also seem to be unintentionally dangerous, which would freak everyone out. Hate crimes would probably be on the rise along with lawsuits out the ass from both humans and monsters.
Would this deconstruction kill this cancerous trend?

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>>53984086
>Deconstruction
>Killing a product of the human libido

>>53983927
>how do I include monstergirl races without making it ERP or magical realm?
>post a monstergirl slut and announces they are their waifu

>>53984133
>implying Rachne is my waifu
She's best girl in Monster Musume, but far from my waifu.

>>53967977
Putting monsterbois

>>53984117
This.

Boners aren't just going to go away because you wrote a poorly made deconstruction, anymore than the many poorly made Madoka rip offs killed the Magical Girl Genre.

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>>53983927

>>53984191
Madoka isn't a deconstruction

>>53984188
As long as they're separate from monstergirls then that's fine.
Inari (male) is different from Inari (female), because they're kinda magically separated species.

>>53984243
If the entire point is "deconstruction"I hate this word the just make them a living working society that have a motive to existing beyond being created by a Goddess of Lust or something

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>>53968005
So, closer to this?

>>53984338
There is nothing sick or degenerate about this image

>>53984287
Or just make them be treated no worse than any other race, like elves.

>>53984287
I'm >>53984086
I don't like using TVTropes terms, either, but the word seemed the most appropriate. It's a shame how TVTropes is a necessary dumb.
The thing is that even in the most non-magical realmy setting, the existence of prejudice and fear compel answers if suspension of disbelief isn't enough.

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There's plenty of media that has monster girls without it being "Magical Realm"-y. And most of it involves having monster dudes to balance them out.

Besides, humans are the filthiest fuckhappy motherfuckers in every setting. Including the irl.

>>53983927
>Best girl
More like worst character in a show with already lackluster characters.

>>53986293
>And most of it involves having monster dudes to balance them out.
B-but it's gay

>>53986435
It is gay.
Now whether that makes you stop fapping to traps or not is up to you.

>>53986435
It's only gay if the balls touch.

>>53986435
Only if you're fucking the monster dudes.
Do you want to fuck the monster dudes, anon?

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There's nothing wrong with gay.

>>53986473
>Only if you're fucking the monster dudes.

No, having monster dudes in the setting automatically makes you gay.

>>53986490
I'm not a disgusting degenerate.

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>>53986578
Just a faggot.

>>53986607
Because i don't want gay shit in my campaigns?

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>>53986473
Depends.

>>53986620
No, John. You ARE the gay shit in your campaigns.

Also this isn't /jp/, we don't have a "male monsters = gay" meme. Dumb cross-poster.

>>53986652
It's not a meme, it's truth you gayfag.

>>53986578
But for real, what makes male monsters automatically gay to have?

>>53986667
Sounds like projection.

>>53986670
The players' incessant lust for monster cock, mostly.

>>53986670
They're gay, gay, GAY and there's that.

>>53986688
Well, that's hardly my problem, I can just fade to black on that shit.

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>>53986670
Only mermaids and gnolls are allowed to have dicks.

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>>53986670
It's basic /jp/ and /r9k/ thought process.

>other guys?
>they're here to threaten me and take my waifus?
>they shouldn't be able to do that.
>i know! They will be all gay!
>ew gay

same thought process that leads to thousands of samey harem isekai novels to get shat out every month.

>>53986876
I don't know how the japs can fuck up such as simple concept as isekai.
Many great games have that, several good movies have that.

>>53981530
fun fact :
most mushrooms have free ''gender''
two one that produce childs with heterosexual sex
and one that reproduce through mitosis
so orks might actually be polygendered

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>>53986911
1) Minimal effort with a copy-paste template
2) Wish fulfillment
3) It sells

>>53986949
Orks themselves produce spores, so that one.

>>53986911
generally it's not isekai itself that's a problem. Isekai is a bit ham-fisted but useful device to introduce a character who is both fish out of the water (so writers can explain shit to reader) and someone relatable to audience.

Shitty isekai takes this relatability far too much, creating generically Nice Guy blank state hero who acts as audience surrogate and wish fulfillment dummy. And here we have inexplicable asspulls, a harem of moe archetypes who are all totally in love with MC (but nobody's gonna make an advance, or there will be angry waifufags), and other male characters being either hilariously inept or hilariously dickish (because only the reader, aka generichero mcboringface) is a Nice Guy who deserves the ride on happiness express.

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>>53987040
those spores might have two genders
see related diagram

>>53987180
They are released en masse when the organism dies. Who knows.

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>tfw no isekai trap harem

>>53984338
Infinitely better than the majority of monster girls

>>53982454
anon, you're kind of retarded.
Having monsterguys and monstergirls as playable is as far from generic as you can get, given how the lazy and easy thing to do for every system is to make everything humanoid.

>>53987378
>having regular monster races isn't generic

>>53987454
>>53987378
Concerning yourself with what is and isn't "generic" is retarded.

The main goal is to have fun with friends, not engage in pissing contests over whose dragons are more original.

>>53987350
pleb

>>53987454
Man, that shit is rare as fuck.
Also, you're kind of being a mega hipster in addition to being wrong.

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>>53967977
Just make monsters creation of evil god mocking god that created humans by mixing it's creations with animals

>>53987524
I'm not wrong, your elves are not more original than others just because they have hairy legs.

>>53987582
Generic and original are two different words, anon.
And let me tell you, it's a rare thing for a system to put any thought at all into non-human bodyplans.

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>>53967977
Go for the more, "unappreciated" options.

>>53987771
MEGASSA SQUEEZE THEM

>>53967977
>ways that a DM could legitimately include monstergirl races in their setting without turning it into an outright ERP or Magical Realm?
If you are going for serious campaign but want to include MGE inspired monster races you have to add monsterboys, cut out sperm diet part and shift tones.
If you are going for something more laidback it is easy to come up with reasons (some goddess work, magic nature, results of magical experiments, twisted lineage of cursed woman) why they are monogendered and a bit kinky without crushing whole high fantasy adventure mood of a game.
Either way MGE put most of bestiary together in one pile which makes little sense outside of MGE universe. Goblin better off not being monogendered (unless you are going for Goblin Slayer vibes), there is no reason for only female liches to exist but monster like Yuki-onna or Jurugomo much better off as female magical creatures as their origins.

>>53987636
Not really, then again I've read too much hentai where they love going into detail.

>>53988228
We're going to have to agree to disagree, then, because it is fucking hard to find a system that isn't primarily "humanoids only". Hentai, it turns out, is not a game playing system.

>>53968005
>>53984338
>Implying half of /tg/ wouldn't waifu that if she had a half decent backstory

>>53987314
I would play/watch that game/anime

>>53984216
Deconstruction is what normies call it when they don't understand the genre's themes.

In this case, "Deconstructing" monstergirls by making them horrific would be another example of this, because the horrific elements would only serve to emphasize the inherently sexual nature of feminized monsters.
It's the same as madoka "Deconstructing" magical girls by making things dark, because the darkness only serves to highlight the themes of hope and love.

In this case, I would like to see a "Grittier" take on monster girls, but I also know it would attract a bunch of insufferable neo-fans like Madoka did.

I must posit an important question to the posters in this thread-

Lobstergirl or shrimpgirl?

>>53983927
Doesn't look like a centaur to me

>>53983945
You best watch yourself friendo

>>53992383
>society is based around cucking men
>he thinks that's best

>>53991820
Mantis shrimpgirl

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>>53991820
Lobster, it isn't even a contest.

>monstergirls get stronger by eating people
>monstergirls are all driven by the desire to get stronger

>>53992796
>vore

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>>53992859
and we never did.

>>53992796
>You will never play a tasty little shota in that setting
>The rest of your party will never be monstergirls who jokingly or perhaps not refer to you as emergency rations
So sad

>>53967977
Don't make them just monsterGIRL races. When you have, say, nagas who are girls, guys, old men, children etc then it becomes just another race - standing apart but not getting any magical realm-y, with its own more and less appealing individuals, rather than just youthful females.

It's hard for monstergirls to not look like from magical realm because, let's be honest, magical realm is what they were made for - at least in the current, modern form. You have to tone down the elements that led to their waifu status.

Obviously traits that are outright H you have to throw out, speaking of aforementioned ITT "semen diet" thing k cross take on monstergirls propagated.

>>53993005
>elderly male naga
>needs human semen once every two or three days to keep healthy

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>>53967977
>using the MGE as a basis
I heard it's actually pretty grimdark. Remove the semen diet, add some original or better fluff, and get better art, and maybe you'll be onto something.
Or just don't because it may be a bad idea anyways.

>>53987066
>>53986911
What is good isekai? The isekai I like is Konosuba.

>>53988056
I don't see why you would ever try to use the MGE as a baseline.
I mean holy crap.

>>53993550
Thats because konosuba, for all its flaws, does isekai well.

The issue in most isekai is mostly the depth of character. in the same way that madoka in the original run of madoka magica is blander than cardboard because we know basically nothing about her regular life, most isekai MC's face the same issue. They are all bland generic cutouts, often with the same color hair or style of clothing, with no actual depth to them besides "Be the good guy and get the bitches".

Konosuba throws that out the window by making literally everyone completely useless, and even spending entire episodes on why these people are colossal fuck ups.

That and Deens artstyle and faces work wonders in comedy.

>>53982057
>muh insecurity
Like clockwork. You use the same argument than a tumblrfag.

>>53996314
You are talking about shit being gay in a thread about directly avoiding the erotic portion of monster ecology.

Which means whether these monsters are male or female all of a sudden loses a lot of meaning, because their sexual characteristics are entirely secondary, if not tertiary.

I don't care if you or the other guy are insecure or not, but quit being stupid.

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>>53992932
> Playing human Menchi
To be fair, Excell is already pretty monstrous already.

>>53986607
Source of the image?

>>53993550
Well, you have to remember that all the sex stuff is a replacement for their prior instinct of killing and eating people.

>>53993550
>I heard it's actually pretty grimdark. Remove the semen diet, add some original or better fluff, and get better art, and maybe you'll be onto something.
Basic gist of MGE's back story is that the creator god made monsters to kill and eat humans when there gets to be too many of them, and when humans are almost extinct they start churning out heroes until one of them kills the monsterlord, you see the monsterlord gets admin access on how all monsters function, so every time there's a superpowerful, bloodthirsty monsterlord who delights in killing and eating humans on the throne, humanity gets wreaked, cause he makes all monsters superpowerful, bloodthirsty and delight in killing and eating humans, when he's dead things go back to default which is "wait till human population reaches X, create new monsterlord, repeat cycle"

Only one day the Hero realizes this is bullshit and decides to break it using a succubus he waifu'd. He kills the monsterlord and interrupts the cycle by putting her on the throne, instead of leaving things open for the next monsterlord and the inevitable rise of MORE bloodthirsty monsters, his waifu sets things so all monsters lust after human dicks instead of human blood, problem solved

Only it turns out monsters are hardwired to drive humanity to extinction and being the monsterlord only gives his waifu admin access on the themes used to carry it out. The creator god COULD change this, but said god has fucked off since then and none of the other gods know how to fix things, the hero doesn't want to fight (not helped by his waifu accidentally corrupting him into demonhood) so humanity's going to undergo an extinction by snu-snu in a few centuries, humans are already past the usual culling point so if the succubusmonsterlord is killed, a new monsterlord will rise up and monster will go back to slaughtering people, and with the role of hero already occupied no new one will rise up to save humanity

1/2

>>53997245
2/2
The hero and succubus ARE trying to juryrig something to solve that, but they've had no luck so far, not helped by the hero now being a sex demon because of his waifu's effects and his waifu giving into her programming, no longer really considering humanity's extinction via snu snu that bad of a thing, only trying to fix things because it'll mean no more males and nothing for humans OR monsters to breed with

>>53988598
>Lucy was an ordinary college student, until one day she was bitten by a radioactive tiger.

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>>53996268
>The issue in most isekai is mostly the depth of character. in the same way that madoka in the original run of madoka magica is blander than cardboard because we know basically nothing about her regular life, most isekai MC's face the same issue.

This is a really weird statement for a lot of reasons and I can't not respond.

First, I'm not sure why you would say "in the original run" since the later BD release and the two movie releases were almost identical to the original run. I could be wrong but I don't think any new scenes for Madoka were added in, things had to be taken out instead.

Second, you actually do get to see some of her regular life, and she's the only one whose family you see. (This is intentional by the way, to make her as typical happy life mahou shoujo as possible, which doubles as a contrast to Homura.) Not a whole lot, but still a hell of a lot more than most protags seem to get in anything, now that I think about it.

Third, if regular life interactions are required to make characters not bland then due to the above everyone else in the series would be more bland than her since all they do is plot stuff and bounce off of each other. Kyuubey is an interesting character and we don't know shit about his 'regular life', whatever that may be.

Fourth you actually state what makes a character bland in the following sentence. Characters with copy pasted uninteresting personalities, looks, ideals, clothing, goals, and no depth to those things. So self inserts, really.

And finally I'm just not sure why your response to that anon's question would be "The reason Isekai sucks is the same reason Madoka is a bland character". Surely even if you think Madoka is bland there must be better examples to use.

>>53997245
>Only one day the Hero realizes this is bullshit and decides to break it using a succubus he waifu'd
Wrong, the succubus herself decided to break the system. The Hero was sent to kill her but she convinced him to follow her path so their species didn't have to keep killing each other.

>>53997557
You missed what i meant.

Yeah, we see a bit of madoka's regular life, but only maybe 5 minutes of it. But that doesn't mean she as a character isn't bland as cardboard. Her entire character revolves around the "Should i shouldn't i" but the series itself gives no reason she shouldn't, aside from homura's meta knowledge, which she can't even share effectively anyways.

Her entire character is so centered around "Should i shouldn't i" and following the other girls that madoka herself ends up with no real character.

In the same vein, The isekai hero's are so centralized to their shtick that they are boring as a result. Their entire being is the "I'm a hero from another world" thing, where they be the good guy and get bitches, but they themselves have no great likes or dislikes outside of that.

And the only reason i say the original run is so people don't bring in like games and drama CD's and shit.

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>>53997696
>Their entire being is the "I'm a hero from another world" thing
What's so bad about being a hero?
Granted the unicorn is still going to mock you for being a virgin, but that's no big thing.

>>53997696
>Her entire character revolves around the "Should i shouldn't i" but the series itself gives no reason she shouldn't

Eh? She has a pretty good reason right from episode 1. Shit is fucking insane and spooky, why would anyone subject themselves to that shit? She also gets a much better reason two episodes later. Her conflict is that she is someone who wants to help others so badly she would make the deal almost immediately to save others, even when she knows the cost, but is still completely terrified of that cost. The guilt of not doing absolutely everything in her power to help others at any given moment eats away at her, but she would do it almost immediately if not for Homura.

The way her idealism is chipped away at and demolished to be reborn tested and even brighter in the face of absolute darkness is, in my opinion, pretty damn interesting, and that's all part of her character. While that's personal opinion and all I'm not sure how you can compare it to brown messy hair otaku character #34 dropped into a free harem who is literally designed to be blank so you can self insert into them.

Not trying to say she's an amazing character or anything, she's a fairly typical girl and meant to be the viewpoint for the audience for everything that happens, but still. It's like how Nanoha really has almost no personality but is still a very beloved character, because all the shit she goes through and her ideals are interesting and fun, making her far from bland.

>>53980238
It's the /d/ way of life

>>53997932
The difference between madoka and nanoha is that nanoha is an active participant, and madoka is a mostly passive bystander. Until the end of the anime, she just stands around watching shit happen.

While i see what you are going for, madoka in and of herself is not all that interesting. Even her reactions to whats happening around her is to either panic immediately or stare into space, neither of which are very compelling for someone doing almost nothing at the time.

What if monster boys, are just monster girls with dicks, so traps?

>>54001382
That's gayer than if they were bodybuilding squat-thrusting bulked up monster men.

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>>53968005
>Implying for a second that the more monstrous monster girls aren't what's hot.

Your weakness sickens me.

>>54001382
That's even more magical realm than an all-female race

>>54001382
That's so much worse.

Female only means you only care about getting het dicks off.
Female only but some girls also have dicks means you only care about getting hardcore anime fan internet dweller dicks off.

Just make people. Old people, young people, fat people, sexy people, people who are totally into humans and people who are god damn racists and want to get those damn humans out of their oceans.

>>53986876
But monsterboys take the human girls.

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>>54003246
Elaborate.

>>53967977
How do you fuck that?

>>54002303
To be fair, our history pretty thoroughly indicates that if they let us in their ocean we will almost certainly fuck things up for the natives somehow.

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>>54003287
Cute monsterboys attempting to be like their mothers and older sisters and find humans to dom but mostly failing due to being too cute to take seriously by the human females.

>>54003433
Life, uh, finds a way.

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>>54003644
Sold!

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>>54002035
Amelia is a cute

>>54003433
You sure you wanna know? Because I don't think you do.

Her genitals are where a human's would be, the scales can fold back to uncover it, sort of like built-in panties.

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>>53967977
Monstergirls are garbage.

>>54005072
Rape is garbage, monstergirls are love.

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>>54003644
>/cm/
>not /hm/
wasted potential tbhsmhfam

>>54005898
/cm/>>>>>>>/hm/

>>54000293
Even as a passive participant, it's a bit of hyperbole to say that Madoka does ABSOLUTELY nothing.

She still goes along into dangerous areas when she has a choice, and makes the basic attempt to not just run the fuck away from eldricht horror shit. When she gets stuck with a group of people hypnotized by the Witch, she ends up taking active action to keep them from killing themselves. And really, throughout the series it's pretty obvious that the only thing keeping Madoka from becoming a magical girl is a combination of Homura cockblocking her, or her only chances to become a Meguca tending to only pop up after something horrible has already happened and now has little she can actually do to to fix.

The problem is less Madoka herself waffling and more that bullshit tends to get in her way actively.

By the end she becomes one anyway, and we see via flashback that Madoka IS a conventional heroine, more active heroine, and was in the past. Looking at the interactions between Madoka and her mother give this feel as well.

Basically by the end it gives me the sensation that Madoka always was a heroine, it's just that we only got to see a timeline where her every chance to be one was snagged out of her grasp by her overprotective big sister.

Somewhat unrelated, but I just now had the thought that Madoka feels like someone took the requisite "Episode of a magical girl anime where we see what would have happened if they had stayed a normal girl" that usually ends up being a dream sequence/failed timeline/villain hypnosis coma dream, and stretched it into an entire anime.

>>54005898
They're fine too but it has to be somewhat specific when used if just to justify why the girls don't jump on em

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>>54006028
>hot opinions

eh, they're about the same. The only difference is that /hm/ is not in denial.

Traps ARE gay, anon. Traps are gay.

>>54006028
Look at this bad taste.

>>53967977
For the most part play them as you would any other intelligent race. Basically treat them like elves. Rarer than elves but basically just like any other intelligent species.

Make a spot for them in the geopolitical landscape. Do they live alongside humans in cities or are they shunned and pushed out to rural areas? Do they have their own Empires? Once you know how they live your good to go.

>>54006391
I like making the ones that are primarily meat eaters integrate into other, larger, non-meat based societies.
Cuts down on problems involving "but where do we get enough meat to sustain a whole city of these guys?"

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>>54006391
Fucking this, you put it way better than I could.

I actually played a dragon person in a campaign where it was just a refluffed Dragonborn race that was ostensibly somewhere else in the setting as a normal race of male and female dragon people, and not really that much different than any other dumb fantasy race.

I did it mostly because I liked the visual design, and nobody in my group batted an eye since they trusted my writing to not end up as anime garbage or magical realm nonsense.

>>54006640
unfortunately, good writing cannot avoid anime.
Sometimes the dice ENFORCE anime.

>>54006308
Never said they weren't, never said they weren't, I just like my gay options cute

>>54006696
What does this post even mean?

>>54008131
Oh, I just got done watching a part of a kingdom death playthrough where one character just KEPT getting shounen powerups.

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>>54008160
Woolie's?