MTG modern general

>>53966811
>playing
nothing yet, still brewing Abzan on a student budget
>favorite triple color combo
Abzan or Sultai.

Is Grim Flayer an acceptable option 'til I can get some goyfs?

>>53966843
Grim flayer is really good and is better than goyf right now

>>53966862
Sweet. I do actually like his extra tricks better than goyf's size

>>53966843
>>53966862
if you can get goyf and flayer, i would say 2 each, you can power goyf with the cards grim flayers putting in the graveyard.

>>53966907
I can see about getting 2 of each, but I might have to settle for 4 flayer first.

>>53966926
true, but when you get more cash consider the two each idea.

>>53966933
Will do. Gonna see about selling off some old textbooks and see how much wiggle room I get there.

>>53966962
i looked at goyfs price (i need to get a goyf or two when i can get one) and 2 lightly played copies would run you $130 US

>>53967032
Yeah, 2 wouldn't be too bad. As long as I don't need a playset. Though even that isn't impossible since I'm building over time.

>>53963399
Chalice is a ban worthy card

Not in that it is overpowered, but that it is oppressive and leads to "feel bads"

Which should I run two Lavamancer or two Atarkas Command MB in the stock Boros Burn list. A Command because im tired of losing to lifegain because I dont have a skullcrack effect, but the downside being I need to fetch a Stomping Ground and theres only 1 in the deck but I could add a 2nd for tonight. Lavamancer has the benefit of grinding and being good against Merfolk and Affinity. Im just conflicted on which to run.

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>burn
>that my friend has 3 chalice MB in Etron
>not brewing anything atm, but if my lgs keeps filling up with shadow decks and other big creature beats i may switch to mardu burn for crackling doom
>boros/naya and mardu are tied

>>53968199
I run 2 stomping and 2 atarkas in my Burn list. It's worked out pretty well at my LGS, especially game 1 when I get paired against the random Soul Sisters player that shows up sometimes.

>>53968199
I say atarkas command because to me lavamancer is too slow. Doesn't impact etb and has to survive a turn to shock. Atarkas command, on the other hand, has 3 useful modes which are usually always relevant

>>53966811
dnt
Affinity and Dredge, duh
I want to get into knightfall or a boros deck of something.
Grixis

>>53968242
>>53968259
Thanks mates. Command it is. Lavamancer will just sit in the Legacy mainboard for now, sucks cause i have the judge foil. Makes it hard to cut basic Mountains too because I have Judge foils of that too.

Also for my spicy tech in the sideboard tonight should I run a Choke or a Molten Rain?
Theres quite a few blue control decks at my store but both cards do good against that and Molten Rain helps against Tron which is also super prevalent.

>>53968242

Is it possible to beat soul sisters with burn? Even with atarka's commands it seems brutal

>>53968515
Bring Tempest choke and make control babs cry as they call a judge.

>>53968538
It is possible. I've won game 1 thanks to my extra crack effects in main, and bringing in leyline of punishment in from the side. My LGS meta changes week to week because random people show up, so I set my side after i sign up. Those leylines for sure come in to the side when i see that soul sisters person there.

>>53968580

>Leyline of punishment

That's pretty cool, feel like I should've seen that one more often, even gets around the pro red soul sister to a certain extent (they can't brick wall an attacker)

>>53968636
After I lost to that Sisters player the first time she showed up, I went a dug out those leylines purely out of spite.

>>53968545
I have the tempest chokes cause i couldnt afford foil 8th edition

>>53968665
Manawerx?

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>thinking playing Burn or DnT
>Affinity
>the UW DnT list from last thread looked fun
>Orzhov and Abzan/Esper/Sultai
>can't bring myself to pick one triple color combo

Been out of the loop a bit. When i took a break DSJ was king. What happened? Why is grixis death shadow everywhere? Should i convert my grixis delver to that?

>>53969122
Yea that's what every delver player basically did.

Does Sultai have any place in modern?

>>53969379
>has Blue in it
No

>>53969750
>grixis shadow
>has blue in it
Does it have a place in modern?

>>53969379
Throw in a deaths shadow and maybe

>>53969750
muh snap-push/decay tho

>>53969900
I might give that a shot.

>>53968895
No, Texas

>>53969908
>muh snap-push/decay tho
There's creatures above 4 CMC that you need to kill in Modern, though. Reality Smasher and Primetime are the main ones, but when I play Esper Control I will board in my Baneslayer Angels against you if I think you can't kill them.

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>tfw resolving Time Warp

>>53970370
Fair. I guess I'll stay in Abzan with my paths.

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>>53966811
>playing
G/W Tron, 8 rack, Storm and shitbrew U/R prowess with Kiln Fiend I made.

>hating
Infect. Since the mechanic was created and all of the deck's iterations.

>brewing
Trying to make a Semi-competetive controll oriented for my meta, so far no luck.

>favorite double/triple color combo
Simic/Grixis

>>53971367
show me ur kiln fiend deck bro.
it's still got legs, Gitaxian Probe be damned.
>>53970382
>tfw desolator still hasn't shared his TimeMagus.dec after ranting two threads ago about netdecker scum

>>53971465
>show me ur kiln fiend deck bro.

I'm continously tinkering my list since things seem to be a bit of, but here it is.

>18 lands
8 Fetches
2 Sulfur Falls
2 Steam Vents
3 Mountains
3 Islands

>13 Creatures
2 Delver of Secrets
4 Monastery Swiftspears
4 Kiln Fiend
3 Stormchaser Mage

>12 Sorceries
4 Serum Visions
2 Artfull Dodge
3 Slip Through Space
1 Disortion Strike
2 Sleight of Hand

>17 Instants
3 Mizzium Skin
4 Mutagenic Growth
3 Titan's Strenght
3 Brute Force
4 Temur Battle Rage

>Sideboard
2 Yound Pyromance
1 Stormchase Mage
3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Vapor Snag
2 Dispell
3 Smash to Smithereens
2 Bedlam Reveler

Is there no Standard general?

>>53971802
Shoo shoo format goblin

>>53971857
I just want a place to bitch about Kaladesh/Aether Revolt cards.

What happened to that crazy "draw your whole deck" RG build from a few days ago?

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>>53971914
I have no idea but the deck was impressive.
I made some shitty changes, but it still has the core engine that Anon foresaw in his dreams

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What did he mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxUu76zdp_c

>>53966843
This is completely untested but maybe it'll get you thinking some options.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-06-16-budget-junk/

>>53967375
This, also I don't understand why basic colour hate like Choke and Boil still are legal. Blood Moon is different because it punishes greedy manabases but it doesn't attack a single colour.

>>53971902
we use fatal push, you could complain about fatal push

>>53972613
>This, also I don't understand why basic colour hate like Choke and Boil still are legal.
When was the last time either of those cards was worth sideboard space?

Also, most U decks have enough non Island lands to pay past them. Just last FNM a Mardu player hit me with Boil at the end of his turn after I tapped out to flashback Think Twice. He destroyed half my lands but I kept making land drops and eventually won anyway.

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>>53971914
This one? I'm not sure if this or any of the other similar lists posted are 100% optimal, but I definitely think that there's something going on here.

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>>53972966
The other one

>>53972400
Meh, I would like to see some unbans first before banning anything.

>>53967375
I've never understood how Chalice is restricted in Vintage yet still legal in Modern.
Shit's crazy...

>>53973247
Like what?
Don't say Splinter Twin

>>53967375
Chalice does keep a lot of degeneracy at bay though

>>53973769
I've never understood how Lodestone is restricted in vintage yet still legal in Modern.

Shit's crazy

>>53973910
That's a different thing entirely.
Mishra's Workshop isn't legal in Modern which is one of the main reasons Lodestone Golem works so well in Vintage.

>>53973828
fair cards like SFM, BBE and JTMS

>>53974034
You had me until you said JTMS
No way in hell; fuck blue

>>53974034
my dude i dont think anyone in this thread wants to see the return of caw-go. so jtms can sit in the banned room playing patty cake with deathrite shaman

>>53974163
>Standard=Modern

please stop

>>53974004
>that's a different thing entirely
That was the point of the post you dolt. Vintage != Modern, both formats are entirely different, with different goals in mind so comparing the two like that is pointless.

>>53974193
But Chalice actually has a reason to be banned in Modern unlike the card you mentioned.

>>53974218
Then give your points instead of comparing of vastly different formats you retard. I'm not disagreeing with you by the way your comparison was just that retarded.

How do you deal with tilt /tg/? I just fnm'd and 0-2 dropped. Theres one guy who drives from like 2 hours away to play for some fucking reason and hes the biggest shitlord ever. He just tilts me to no end, to the point where i misplayed myself into a loss. How the fuck do i grow up and not be affected by this clown?

>>53974269
What does he do?

>>53974284
Hes just an annoying xd metal head who is extremely fucking loud and acts like hes the god of fucking magic. He also mouth breathes and sniffs so much during a match that it blows my mind. Its unpleasant to the point where i just want to win but it never seems to occur because i get too in my own head against him.

>>53974340
Damn, I don't really think there's a whole lot you can do against people like that.
Call them out and you run the risk of being called toxic and ostracized by your LGS.
feelsbadman

>>53974375
Yeah there isnt much to do, I just have no idea how to get over it. He plays a lot of the big tournaments in my area, so I know its 100% possible that even if i switch lgs i gotta play against him still. He also fucking smells, fuck this guy

>>53974250
>Wrong

>>53974402
If you don't think Chalice is overly oppressive there must be something wrong with you.
Either that or you're just a Tron player and in that case there is.

>>53974420
I don't like Tron but Chalice isn't the problem with Tron

Modern has a lot of varied mana cost cards which makes it less effective. In addition you can't cheat it out with fast mana like in legacy or vintage. You basically just have to Simian Spirit guide or wait until turn 2 which makes it A LOT less effective.

>>53974483
I mean chalice is just a poorly designed and oppressive card by nature. I wouldnt mind seeing it banned even if its not a big deal or played in every deck

>>53974483
I'm not saying Chalice is the problem with Tron, it's just a part of it.
As for the part about the varied mana cost cards in Modern, this is technically true but not so much in the current meta.

>beat tron with living end
>say good game and reach for handshake
>for a moment I thought he was going to refuse but he reached out and lightly touched my hand
>says "not really" to the good game
>makes some comment about how I played 4 fulminator mages
>tell him "its hard sometimes man" trying to be positive
>"not for you"
>" its hard for everyone, I've been on the receiving end of it too"
>continues packing his things up in silence, doesn't sign result slip
Well, you too friend...

>playing
Budget BW Aristocrats brew
Saffron's GB Delirium

>hating
Baral, Scapeshift

>brewing
UR Prowess

>favorite double/triple color combo
UB, because I hate fun

>>53974504
>>53974510
Chalice should be banned in Modern for the same reason Mana Crypt or Sol Ring should be banned in Commander: when they're in the opening hand and played early, they generate so much value that they put that player very far ahead and essentially wins the game because of that. And, by the time you can destroy them, the value is already gained for the player who had them. Chalice is pretty much saying, "I win because I lock you out with one card."

Yes, there are plenty of ways around Chalice, but it has the potential to be format warping. It's not format warping right now which is part of the reason some players don't see a problem. However, Chalice, in my opinion, is exactly the kind of unfair card that shouldn't be in any format.

>>53974885
I love when Tron babbies sulk after their lands are blown up and they're unable to play fatties.

>>53971701
-3 Mizzium Skin
+3 Apostle's Blessing

Gives you the protection you want and can also force through blockers.

>>53975255
He actually did resolve karn but he didn't have mana to pop his o-stone that had been holding me back so I cascaded on his end step and dropped him in one swing

Lol he actually made me clarify if I was attacking him or karn, as if it wasn't obvious

Do vehicle oriented decks have potential in modern? I've been messing around with one for fun and I'm surprised at how quick and consistent it is when you have access to cards like shrapnel blast and lightning helix to push things over the top.

>>53975879
Smuggler's Copter is pretty good in Hatebears and other tribal or weenie decks. Heart of Kiran might be worth running in some kind of superfriends deck, like 12Chad. I can't see deck just based around vehicles being that good, though.

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>>53968217
>crackling doom
last time i played crackling doom in modern it was in this deck and it was fucking SWEET.

rip Goblin Bust though

>>53971367
>Waah I want to play noninteractive decks without having to worry about my opponent punishing me
You deserve it you fucking tron playing scum

>>53974067
JTMS isn't even good in Modern, I can't believe you think that BBE is more fair than Jace.

>>53976594
B-but anon, it had HASTE. And it made a deck BETTER THAN IT WOULD BE WITHOUT IT. And people not playing it COMPLAINED.

>>53976383
I wasn't really thinking properly about BBE mostly.
I was thinking in the context of Living End and not something like Jund where you could essentially cast your whole deck for free.

>>53976625
That's how most cards get banned.

>>53976650
It's how most cards are deemed playable too. It's a fine line. Clearly we need to ban haste.

>>53972567
Belated thanks. Most of those cards are on my list, especially angels and a second thoughtseize. Hadn't considered scrylands at all, but I figure if I can get flayers I'll have enough pseudo-scry

>mucking with tribal shitbrews
>can't get past how much better all the decks are when in green, specifically because of CoCo

I am not a fan of this card.

>>53977007
At least Merfolk is still better as Mono U than UG, right?

>>53976677
Ban anything that isn't vanilla.

>>53977251
But imagine if there were a CoCo in blue.

>>53977268
#makestormcrowgreatagain

>>53976383
Jace is better than BBE, but all the decks he's good in are shit right now. That's probably true for BBE too though. In any case FREE SFM

Should I stick to the mid-range/combo path with my GBw? Or should I veer over into Death's Shadow?

>>53977524
ban shadow
unban rhonas

>>53977573
So play Little Kid Rhonas, god of Rhinos but with pushes and Lilis?

>>53977605
Speaking of, what's the best way to turn on the flip Liliana? She seems like straight value if you can flip her the turn she comes out.

Where can I find shoplifters to fence some packs directly to me?

I am physically unable to shoplift, but I'd like to crack packs to draft with my friends. Maybe a buck fifty a pack instead of the 4 buck going-rate from an LGS. Makes things a lot more affordable

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>>53966811
Modern is for scrubs who do not want to play their FWB dual lands.

>>53977811
Probably some aristocrat shit if I'm being totally honest.

>>53977935
Guess I gotta play CoCo if I wanna run her, then.

>>53978097
...No? Aristocrat decks are in B/W

>>53978106
Aristocrats in Standard was Mardu, but I think Modern versions are Abzan, because
>muh BGx

>>53978106
Yeah, but if I go the CoCo route I can potentially shit her, and like, Finks out. Plus I like green.

>>53978125
I think BW Aristocrats still works, but again, I like green. Golgari were my first love

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>>53977251
Merfolk is already a cohesive deck. I haven't been mucking with it for that reason. Warriors, Humans, and Spirits are the ones that just get far better when CoCo is in.

Sorry Hero of Bladehold, you're CMC 4.

>>53978125
Modern versions are abzan because of sideboard, Coco and a couple of other green cards that fit nicely in the deck.

>>53977811
Some zombie shit, maybe? Coco into Liliana and a Plague Belcher that kills a token (that Lili replaces)?

>>53978152
you're deckfu is a shit

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>>53978581
you take that back!!! she's p-pure!!

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alright senpais blog tiem

3-1 playing living end tonight

>2-0 BG tron
>double fulminator game 1, cascade on his upkeep and pop them both for 4 total lands destroyed and ~10 power on board. he scoops
>game 2 I only see 1 fulminator and he gets tron online, throws out an o-stone to keep me at bay, but he taps most of his lands to play a karn and I just cascade on end step and swing lethal

>2-0 grixis shadow
>goldfish game one, he nearly stabilizes with two shadows but I top deck a kari zev's expertise and steal a shadow, killing it instantly. Swing for lethal past his remaining blockers
>game 2 gets tricky but an extremely clutch faerie macabre tells his snapcaster mage to fuck off when he tries to flashback stubborn denial. living end resolves, untap and win.

>1-2 jeskai nahiri
>goldfish the win game 1
>game 2 he keeps me down with counters until turn ~6 when he finds RIP. I hardcast a fatty and almost kill him with kessig wolf run but bolts and helixes finish me off first. I realized afterwards I could have won this but I misplayed in my land sequencing. really tl;dr on the explanation but I was slightly tilted going into g3
>g3 he slams turn 2 RIP. I beast within it but he has a hand full of counters for living end and beats me to death with the beast token I gave him.

>2-0 bant eldrazi
>goldfish game 1, although a funny interaction was using kari zev's to steal his reality smasher, and discarding to reality smashers ability pumped my horrors, making the swing lethal.
>game 2 he goes hierarch, hierarch, TKS. cascade in response to TKS trigger thanks to a SSG. he's got no more lands in hand so losing the mana dorks screwed him, he scoops it up shortly after.

A common trend tonight was that pretty much every opponent was very unhappy to learn they were playing against living end. it seems the deck is very disliked.

>>53966811
>>playing
B/w Ratdrazi
>>hating
The fact that you can play an entirely colorless deck competively
>>brewing
Mono-blue something with thing in the ice (git probe ban ruined my tempo blue deck)
>>favorite double/triple color combo
Aggro - Red/Black
Midrange - White/Green
Control - Grixis
Combo - Bant

>>53978829
Its a really annoying deck to fight. it basically asks if you have disruption and if you dont you just lose (usually). Not saying its broken by any means, just game 1 especially you will for sure get groans

Im kinda curious if you actually find that deck fun too. Arent you just cycling the whole game into casting a cascade? Not trying to flame you, its your perogative if you like it, I just never understood the appeal and I'd like to understand the mindset a bit more.

Both LE players i know IRL were metalheads one of which insisted on calling his deck "The End" whenever he referred to it so maybe thats distorting my view too.

>>53979024
I can't imagine anyone actually enjoying playing Living End.

>>53974885
Last week I was watching a match between junk and tron. Tron guy loses to turn 2 stony silence and bitches about how unfair that card is and that silver bullets like that should not exist. I straight up told him that his deck is one of the most unfair decks in the format and that if he wants to play with glass cannons he should at least acknowledge the risk of it. I play affinity and turn 2 silence doesnt even bother me that much now that Ive learned to board against it.

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>>53979024
>one of which insisted on calling his deck "The End"
I love mealheads lmao

>>53977912
Die you fucking scum

>>53979024
>it basically asks do you have disruption
>what is tron
>what is dredge
>what is affinity
>what is storm

Living end is fun to play because fulminator mage- living end-fulminator mage on scrubs like you make it worth it

>>53978829
As a match up I agree with the other anon, either you're playing a middle to highly disruptive deck or you straight up lose game one and need to get your side cards or straight up lose on the following two games because of the consistency the deck has on casting living end on turn 3-4.

As piloting the deck it seems as boring to me as storm, cycle till living end mana, fulminator or beast within a thing or two then win or grind the control opponent.

Funny story from a week ago, I did 3-1 with RG Ponza, my last match was against the living end somewhat douchy player, I blood mooned both games I began on turn 2 followed by threats on turn 3-4, each time he scooped, he complained how my deck was bad and the moon was the only good thing in it.

>>53979196
disruption is garbage against tron. Just ignore them and win as fast as you can

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>>53979196
>scrubs like you
im glad ur enjoying urself anon

Is Abzan company fun? I've never been one for combo, and the lack of removal in Junk colors seems weird to me, but I dig all the creatures it runs.

>>53979215
>land destruction is not disruption

>>53979294
yeah, and it's garbage against tron. You're better off spending your resources killing them than interacting with them.

>>53979291
Fun depends on who u ask. The deck is very much focussed on shitting out the combo as fast as possible, and the lack of removal is due to the deckbuilding restrictions that exist when playing with collected company. It is very much a go wide deck when ur kept off the combo, so if you dig all the creatures thats a good sign. I personally loved the value from EWit/Voice/Finks and the deck is a killer in topdeck mode. However, CoCo is such a crapshoot of a magic card that I couldnt stand it (plus I didnt like how very often there would be literally no way for me to disrupt what an opponents doing cuz im focussed on comboing). You will also fucking hate Ugin and his ilk like anger of the gods.

Overall id say it is pretty fun, which is good for a modern deck. The deck is fragile as fuck tho and bounces in and out of popularity, but that doesnt really relate to the fun factor.

>>53979336
Fair enough. I'll probably get it and run with it until I collect some of the more expensive midrange stuff. Maybe go little kid Liege for a bit if I do get bored or run into discard.

>>53979196
>scrubs
Man, you're so fucking cool

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>>53966811
>>playing
all things thalia
>>hating
t1 handrape meta in modern AND legacy. come on guys, i still have PTSD from theros standard.
>>brewing
shitbrewing meme decks on xmage for lulz (omnitell with lightning storm as the only win-con, (sk)red/white prowess, ur twin: legacy edition, some other garbage i don't remember)
>>favorite double/triple color combo
i heavily favor white weenie builds

>>53979385
Dude runs sunglasses as disruption for the sun AND the moon, man.

>>53979416
at least cabal therapy isn't legal in modern

>playing
grixis shadow :v
>hating
eldrazi tron, dredge, LE, burn. mostly eldrazi tron though
>brewing
a way to make tezz good
>favorite double/triple color combo
abzan, which doesnt follow my decks at all but my pod got banned and im too cheap for goyfs

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>>53979421

>>53979024
>I just never understood the appeal and I'd like to understand the mindset a bit more.
It's basically a sentimental thing. When I started playing magic during alara I had a jund cascade deck. it wasn't a combo like LE but it was just value town and I crammed all the stupid cascade cards in there.

move forward through my several year hiatus on magic because college sucks dick and I return to the game right around the time khans was released, because I heard from a friend of a friend that they reprinted the original fetch lands and everyone was in a roar over it. around this time I started playing a lot more and actually got a bit more serious about competitive magic, when I learned of a magical jund colored cascade deck that vomited your graveyard out on turn 3-4. I also enjoy graveyard shenanigans.

So of course I was drawn to the deck, and after playing it a few hundred times I can say I honestly enjoy it. People complain that it's too linear, and just ignores your opponent, but don't all the top consistent decks? How much does the dredge player really pay attention to his opponent, other than throwing a fat conflagrate at their face? What about burn? bolt any super problematic creatures, otherwise just count to 20. Yes, the deck is linear, but when you ask how can someone enjoy playing it, how can someone who has piloted affinity for 2-3 years still enjoy playing "dump robots, pound face" ?

Seriously, the most interactive decks were have in modern are "fuck up your hand, then kill you" or "draw-go and counter your shit until my planeswalkers/manlands take over the game" and they more or less play out the exact same every single game, you just occasionally have to pause for a turn to make your opponent stop doing that annoying thing where they try not to lose.

you just find a deck you like and you stick with it, even if it's a touch repetitive.

>>53979480
Sounds good my dude. Im glad to see u got that passion in your soul for a deck, and its good to hear your thinking. Keep on cycling my nigga, don't let anyone stop you

>>53979528
also worth noting that before amonkhet when LE was heavier on the land destruction plan it had the same appeal as ponza where it's mildly entertaining to keep your opponent from being able to play magic. now the lists are more streamlined to be fast combo with LD as a very minor disruption plan on the side but I still enjoy playing it.

not super related to the topic, but here's a question for you, /tg/

have any of you had success w/ pucatrade or cardsphere or any other online trading service? i have enough random jank that i could easily get a full modern deck, but no one i know has the cards i'm looking for, selling on ebay is a hassle, and all nearby stores are only looking to make a hefty profit for store credit trade-ins (totally understandable, not bitter, they need to get by)

i'm struggling to even understand pucatrade and cardsphere, after spending 30mins on both sites. i've found out how to view what people want... but not what they have

i'd think that the easiest way of doing it would be to search who owns cards that i want, checking if i have anything they want, and sending them a message. but i can't figure out how to even find what cards people do own on either site.

i'm sure i'm missing something obvious, and making a fool out of myself. meme me if you must, but please explain this to me

>>53980057
you could just use ebay, or, if you aren't american, tcg market

Has anyone tried a new Tamiyo on knightfall? is that too janky?

>>53968538
I've done it. Searing Blaze/Searing Blood/Skullcrack/Artarka's are all good pulls while you just can't afford to point a bolt down.

>>53980057
From experiance, puccatrade is shit
Magic card market could be what you want if each of your cards can sell individualy for over 0.50€ and you live in eu

>>53980439
She's more of a control card and rarely helps you the turn she's resolved.

Surely I would be able to get away with playing Bogles without Horizon Canopies, right?

>>53975286
I ran previously apostles, the life loss is what drove me away from it.

And for 2 mana I can overload skin.
Also to lazy to get a second playset since 1st one is in my storm

>>53974034
>an abusable tutor on a stick
>bbe into k command 3 for 1 you
>fucking jace
>fair

Just play legacy

>>53977007
Collected company is literally the most cancerous card Wizards has ever printed.

>>53979294
>I'll just cast my fulminator mage on turn 4 after I've already been Karn'ed
Seems good

>>53980749
I think the card draw is kind of relevant, but I say go for it anon.

As a burnfag, how do I beat shadow? Most of game 1 is a race, but game 2 and 3 they usually just rape my hand and I lose my path, palm, and blessed alliance then get hit. Am I missing something, or do I just have bad luck?

>>53982134
It's possible that you might be over-sideboarding

>>53966811
could this work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bcodNSlhd0

>>53980749
Definitely. It's an unfair deck, so a lot of the time you just cheese out a win and the extra cards from Canopy would be irrelevant.

>>53980749
Don't play Bogles. It requires almost no skill and every other player will hate you for it. Bogles is one of the many reasons I mainboard Blessed Alliance.

>>53979148
...why

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I have Soul Scar Mage on board, and my opponent swings in with, say, a Channeler Initiate (without counters so a 3/4).

I cast Harm's Way, prowess trigger goes off, Soul Scar mage is now a 2/3. Is this a scenario where Channeler Initiate and Soul Scar Mage trade, or does my Make make the kill? I am confused because damage itself doesn't go on the stack, but as far as I can tell, neither does Soul Scar Mage's ability, so when damage goes through, is Channeler Initiate a 3/4 with 2 damage on it from Harm's Way, or is it a 1/2 taking 2 damage?

>>53983134
Combat damage happens
Then Harm's Way prevents 2 of that damage and deals it to the Channeler Initiate
Then the Mage's replacement effect turns that damage into -1/-1 counters
So Soulscar Mage is dealt 1 damage, Channeler Initiate is dealt 2 damage and then gets 2 -1/-1 counters placed on it.

>>53983170
And that just expresses itself logically, without actually dealing with triggers or the stack, I take it.

Alright, excellent, thanks anon.

>>53983170
I think the source is still creature damage that you don't control, so there would be damage, but no -1/-1 counters. The instant merely redirects the damage.

>>53967375
Chalice is card that punish greediness. If you want to play a deck full of 1cmc, it's only right you get fucked by cards like this.

Burn is the savior of this format. Nothing better then Palming a Nulamog.

>>53983365
Looking at it, I believe you're correct, unfortunately. However, I wasn't truly planning on running Soul Scar anyway.

>>53978152
counterspell + fog forever.
also boomerrang if negreophaggitghreyballz

Is junk zombies worth trying to build with CoCo and the Amonkhet stuff?

>>53985988
>88
sure Hitler zombie

>>53985999
>999
well, that's what we get for trying to make superior white zombies, upside-down Satan

>most played modern deck currently has 3 Kcommand in the 75
>SFM is somehow too much

fuck you wizards let me play modern stoneforge

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>>53986061
Dude get over it. Its never happening.

>>53979117
>>53979196
Ngl, all this tron hate makes me wanna run reanimator with Ashen Rider, Terastodon and Primus. Of course then I'm the non interactive cunt.

>>53985974
>counterspell
>fog

I wish blue had access to these effects in Modern

>negreophaggitghreyballz

under that circumstance I suppose Boomerang would be quite excellent.

Usually it's best to just do vintage level things like make Clue tokens though.

I'm teaching my friend to play magic with modern, what deck should I start him on?

>>53987744
Burn or stompy

>>53987744
lantern control

>>53987744
Storm, Ad Nauseam. Living End and Dredge.

But on a more serious note, get them an intro pack.
Build a jank deck and teach them stuff by playing with them and progresively make decks that use more advanced stuff.

>>53987744
Little Kid GW is an easy way to learn synergies and can teach him about hate cards pretty nicely.

>>53987744
Abzan or Jund. It will teach him the concept of VALUE while also requiring him to play aggro or control in certain games. 3 colors may be too much though.

>>53988908

BGx is definitely the way to go for learning the competitive side of the format. That BG delirium list with nurakul would be a good way to start without having to worry as much about fixing mana.

>>53988908
Three colors probably wouldn't be too bad if the other guy is throwing together a decent mana base for him

>>53977251
I've seen a guy with UG merkfolk with 4x CoCo and 4x Heroic intervention

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>>53987744
>>53987744
>>53987744
18 Forest
4 Arbor Elf
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Elvish Mystic
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Dwynen's Elite
4 Elvish Archdruid
2 Sylvan Messenger
4 Allosaurus Rider
4 Gather the Pack
4 Eldritch Evolution
1 Terastodon
1 Ezuri ($$$)
2 Heritage Druid ($$$)

easy to unbudget with an Iona, extra Druids, etc. and can transition into CoCo/Cloudstone Elves or even Legacy Elves. It's easy to further budgetize by cutting the $$$ cards for more dorks/lords. Runs fun Timmy cards like Hornet Queen, Void Winower and Decimator of Provinces too, and plays on a simple axis while doing cool things.

Currently messing around with a Fuck 8Rack.Dec with all the creatures that enter the battlefield when your opponent makes you discard them.

Problem is the deck is like 20 4+ CMC creatures and I have no idea where to go from there and no intention of ever building it.

>>53989240
just play little kid abzan/GW

You know what card someone really needs to break? Braid of Fire.

>>53989240
How many are there? I had a similar idea earlier but only Smiter and Liege came to mind

>>53989269
I think anything you could do with Braid of Fire, As Foretold would do better.

>>53989240
If you want to beat 8rack, play something with Loam in it.

>>53989272
Dodecapod (4)
Loxodon Smiter (1GW)
Obstinate Baloth (2GG)
Quagnoth (5G)
Wilt-leaf Liege (1 G/W G/W G/W)

>>53989303
I don't want to beat 8rack.
I want 8rack to open with Thoughtsieze and just stare at my hand for a minute wondering why God is dead.

>>53989240
>>53989400
desu i think that's not even necessary. just a regular chord deck with finks, voice of resurgence, and rec sage should be able to outvalue them
why do you even want to beat up 8rack? it's an underdog and has a hard enough time already

>>53989453
Mostly it's a thought exercise.

But there is something oddly satisfying when your have an objectively sub-optimal hard counter deck. I think it's the confusion that comes with having your fall apart because the other person is completely insane and ignored the meta.

>>53989191
***4 Lead the Stampede, not Gather the Pack

Is pucatrade worth using?

>>53989516
Yes, very. Everyone on there is basically incompetent and it's incredibly easy to scam.

I was trading gravetitans for snappies for a while.

>>53989453

Because the people who play it never deserve to win. In legacy you can play pox and get away with it because it fares well against some of the tier 1 decks, but the people that play 8rack in modern are subhuman and deserve to be treated as such.

>>53989568
This is fake.

CoCo elves, or Podless Pod?

>>53989582

Care to elaborate on those words of wisdom?

>>53989599
CoCo Elves.

Should I get some new sideboard pieces for my current deck, or save for Titanshift?

>>53990048
Build UW Jerks, friend.

>>53980718
The reason she doesnt help the turn she revolves is that you are playing her in control. All of her abilities are relevant in a creature based deck and impact the game the gurn she comes down.

>>53988954
>Emracool abzan

drop me a list nigga
consider my curiousity peaked

Format feels so dull lately
Just want an unban
I want Bloodbraid Elf unbanned

>>53966811
Unban twin

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Fuck all of your gay ass waifus
Stoneforge is shit
Thalia is shit
Bloodbraid Elf is an elf nigger
And twin is cancer too

Free my man Umezawa!

>>53991131
if there were a NEVER EVER banned list of shit that should never be allowed in modern, jitte would be on it right next to clamp and misstep

>>53991131
>Thalia
Since when was Thalia banned?

>>53990500

Here you go. It's not good, but it has some fun moments.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/abzan-end-1/

>>53991401
I miss mental misstep
I played against it in standard

>>53991401

>jitte, clamp and misstep

I play all three, just try and stop me.

>>53991131

Eldrazi tron doesn't need more toys.

>>53991401
Imagine how fun this format would be if everyone had mental misstep. :^)

>>53967375
>people complain about chalice when it literally just shits on people who want to play faggy blue decks or faggy infect decks who aim to turn 2 kill
Chalice is fine. It only really fucks people who want to spam 1 drop spells

>>53973769
Because when you have access to cards that give you 5 mana turn one you can put a lock on the game before your opponent even gets their first turn.

>>53974504
>chalice is poorly designed
It's a completely fine card.
Stop playing faggy decks is 20 1cmc cards

what SFM deck would you run if SFM was legal? I'd want to try Mardu personally, probably run Bobs, lingering souls, bolt, push, path, with a Feast&Famine mainboard

>>53992144
But I don't wanna

>>53975027
Chalice only shits on people abusing blue decks or infect decks generally.
It just stops people from value training and chAining 1 drops for pyromancer.
Also I suggest you play a different deck or invest in some abrupt Decays since they are on the cheap right now.

>>53992198
Abzan CoCo using sword of fire and ice, batterskull and sword of feast and famine.

>>53992198
Saheeli-Cat deck
Martyr Proc
DnT

>>53966811
>tarmogoyf seems to have fallen completely out of favor

Why? Is it because of fatal push, deaths shadow or both?

>>53992144
Lol @this logic
>have to play a ton of 1 cmc Burn spells/other fast cards like Shadow in order to beat the cancer known as Tron
>get punished for trying to beat them by Chalice
>Alternatively run a midrange curve and shrug off Chalice but lose to lol Turn 3 Karn or Turn 4 Ugin

>>53992562
Remember folks its ok when Tron does it

>>53992488
It's because Tron forces all fair decks to be super fast. Goyf ain't fast enough anymore.

>>53992198
Esper Stoneblade with Geist and Lingering Souls to stick swords on.

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Trying to brew the Gitrog monster in modern. It has combo potential with dakmor salvage and a discard outlet. The new crucible on a stick also has synergy.

What is my best bet?

>>53992643
Your best bet is scrap the idea. The GitGud Toad is too slow for hand-rape.format

>>53992768
It's ok, I'm aware this is not Pro Tour material. I have other decks for that. It's just weird to me that no one seems to have even attempted to brew with GitGud anywhere.

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Should I use it?

>>53993042
badbraid bot is decently powerful, but just doesn't compare to the elf. The only place he'd be better would be in a Trawler Eggs list but that's pretty experimental

>>53992952
I think it's because Scapeshift exists.

>>53993042
Violent Outburst and Demonic Dread allow for cheaper and instant comboing off.

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>>53993083
Running shit theme deck
Haven't played mtg in four years and imma play with a friend later this week

>>53992198
i'd make a deadguy ale port.

>>53993207
so no Rhino/Hierarch/Flayer Abzan?

>>53970382

Hey I was wonderin', why don't people try using Ugin's Nexus and Academy Ruins for infinite additional turns? Ugin's Nexus costs just as much as Time Warp, and most of the other "Extra Turn" spells cost more and exile themselves.

>>53993622
Nexus exiles itself and even if it didn't you'd need a sac outlet to sac it every turn.

>>53982134

You could always try Guerrilla Tactics for yucks

>>53993319
nah, I don't think you necessarily need them. just play more removal and everything is sure to work.

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WoTC, come on now, we all know this is a bolt invocation, just give it to me already

Think UW Emeria could work right now?

Someone explain logically why Jace, the Mind Sculptor shouldn't be unbanned or at least tested

you can't

>>53995729
I don't like blue

>>53995729
Cause less offensive cards are still banned.

>>53995679
>Deck without black

lmaoing at your life

>>53995318
>we all know this is a bolt invocation
Wrong, you're the only one that don't know it's not one
All the invocations were spoiled already

>>53995764
>all the invocations spoiled
>they didn't make a Cruel Ultimatum invocation

How? Why?

>>53995792
>How? Why?
WotC

>>53995813
>How? Why?
>WotC
no truer words have ever been spoken

>>53995841
I know this isn't the right thread for that but
>How? Why?
>GW
and
>How? Why?
>Blizzard
work as well

>>53995729
Can you please explain why jtms should be unbanned?

>>53995857
EA and Ubisoft work too

>>53995907
Shit, you right

>>53995729
FUCK BLUE, FREE SFM

>>53995913
Why tho?

>>53995951
>white is worst color for years
>no one cares
>blue becomes worst color
>bluefags won't shut up about it
bluefags can learn there are other colors then they can come back to modern

>>53995977
>white is worst color for years
so if wotc unbans SFM all of white's problems are solved?

>>53995977
Blue? What are you talking about, there's only 4 colors, the fifth "color" being colorless

>>53995986
Oh I thought you were asking about the fuck blue part. SFM is just of an appropriate power level for the format at this point, there's no reason it should remain banned.

>>53995729
The Only good planeswalker card is either banned or ripped in half.

>>53996009
I guess, but it's not like unbanning SFM will create new archetypes, or really improve on existing ones. It just seems like it might have little to no impact on the format.

>>53971701
>kilnfiend.dec
I love it. I've been running Kiln Fiend / Thing in the Ice OTK for a while. It's fun.

It used to be UR prowess, but I swapped out the Stormchasers for Kiln Fiends, and the Swiftspears for spells. The only prowess creature left is a 2-of bedlam reveler to redraw my hand later in the game.

What do I even call this? Izzet Battle Rage?

Creatures:10
4 Kiln Fiend
4 Thing in the Ice
2 Bedlam Reveler

Spells:32
2 Faithless Looting
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Mutagenic Growth
4 Serum Visions
4 Sleight of Hand
4 Stubborn Denial
2 Echoing Truth
4 Manamorphose
4 Temur Battle Rage

Lands:18
5 Island
5 Mountain
2 Shivan Reef
4 Spirebluff Canal
2 Sulfur Falls

Sideboard:15
3 Harsh Mentor
2 Young Pyromancer
2 By Force
2 Dispel
2 Vapor Snag
2 Molten Rain
2 Crumble to Dust

Deck is very afraid of Tron(especially eldrazi tron, given mainboard chalices) and Lantern(which it has game against post-sideboard but pre- it almost always loses to).

>>53980439
You don't want lower impact cards that can't be hit by coco. I still think she could be an option for the sb for control match ups.

>>53996151
just call it kiln fiend, after the pauper deck

>>53992768
just play abzan eldrazi loam so you can thoughtsieze their answers and arbiter+quarter all their lands

Blood Moon should be banned. Discuss.

>>53997023
I disagree

>>53997023
Only scrubs really think that

>>53997023
I think that greedy manabases should be punished even harder than they currently are. Nonbasic lands are always viable hate targets, as far as I'm concerned.

>>53997070
true. wasteland should be a modern legal card. I play tron and naya burn, and i am completely fine wit it being reprinted in the return to dominaria block. it would give decks like D&T and other control decks a betetr foothold in the format to combat degeneracy like shadow and storm lol

>>53997095
I'm not even a salty player about any decks in particular, I just think that a core tenet of magic is that the wider spread of colours you play, the less reliable your deck should ultimately end up relative to the mono-colour decks. That doesn't exactly ring as true as I feel it should.

>>53991401

You should add pod to that list

>>53995857

I actually swap around WoTC and Blizzard so much without even noticing that's starting to scare me

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>>53996151
You're in red, dude.
Chalice don't mean shit. Replicate puts the copies on the stack without being casted which puts them beyond the reach of chalice.
Sure, the original spell gets countered but it doesn't make a difference unless your opponent runs Stifle.

>>53997382
stifle wouldn't work through chalice anyway, you'd need the 2 cmc one

>>53990048
Any thoughts on this? Should I get cards like thoughtseize/fatal push + some other cards for the sideboards of some of my decks, or save for Titanshift?

Played a small modern tournament yesterday with a BW-Tokens Spirits.
Final record 3-2. Lost to a Naya burn and to DSJ. Won against GW-hatebears, Boros and GU-Eldrazi.

Could have won against DSJ if i haven't keep a terrible hand

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>>53995318
All the invocations have already been spoiled. Bolt in standard?

Shouldn't free win red be really good against Scapeshift? I've beaten it two weeks in a row at fnm and I still don't know why.

What's a list of the best mono-color decks you can build for Modern? I'm thinking it's this:

Blue: Merfolk
Green: Elves
Red: Burn
Black: ...8-Rack?
White: .....?

>>53998753
White is either D&T or Soul sisters

>>53998448
Chain lightning in standard?

>>53998753
>>53998782
DnT is really better as WC, WG, or BWC. I think the best pure white deck is Martyr Proc.

>>53997129
The trade off in modern is that you take pain for your manabase. Burn is assuming you will be dealing 3 damage to yourself, or possibly 5 in the case of black. Playing a mono colored deck against burn really makes you realize how taxing a 3 color manabase is.

>>53998448
>Bolt in Standard
Given that we have a common that's a 3 CMC bolt , I'm going to say rareshifted bolt is your best option.

Or mythic, at this point.

>>53999736
Is the minor advantage in cheaping out on the manabase with fastlands, SoI-lands, or checklands, is life total?

>>53999766
Shock, Incendiary Flow, and Bad Bolt already exist in standard.
It looks just like what an alternate Lightning Bolt would look like, though. I would be surprised if it turned out to be a different card.
What is the source on >>53995318 image?

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>>53999028
You shouldn't play games with my heart like that.

>>53997382
I knew there was a reason I wanted that instead of By Force, but i couldn't put my finger on it.

Still, need to get the money for that card first. Don't have a ton to spare at the moment.

>>53997001
Sounds okay.

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Do any Affinity-bros have an "artifact count" token? I'm tired of Storm players lording their tokens over me and I have the artistic abilities of a 4 year old who isn't very gifted.

I would want Stoneforge Mystic unbanned but I play Burn so fuck her, Monastery Swiftspear is the better waifu

Honestly the actual problem with Stoneforge and the reason it will never be unbanned is the same reason Twin was banned. The opportunity cost to run it is super low all you need to do is play 4 Stoneforge Mystic, 1 Batterskull, and 1 Sword of Fire and Ice. It will slot into a million different strategies because of how powerful it is. There'll be W Stoneforge decks with Thalia, there'll be Jeskai Control with Stoneforge, there will be Abzan Midrange with Stoneforge and even BW Eldrazi and Stoneforge. It will just be way too prevalent.

>>54001086

I'd make place for equipments in bant spirits if she got unbanned desu

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Do you think deaths shadow decks will be put over the top with this card?

Im worried that it will and could lead to more dumbshit bans to shake up the format when its in one of the most diverse shapes its been in for years. And no, im not just parroting LSV; I had the same fear he did when I first saw the card.

>>54000825
>>54001086
>next B&R announcement isn't until August 28th
>people still talk about SFM
War never changes.

>>54001105
Exactly she would slot into fucking everything
CoCo decks of all flavors would play her. She'd be the most played creature in Modern bar none and her friend Batterskull and Swords would be the most played Artifacts.

>>54001152
Yes.

>>54001152
I dunno, it's definitely good but so is kolaghan's command. Would Shadow decks play both or would they be competing for slots?

>>54001163
Im saying to all the idiots that say Stoneforge Mystic should be unbanned that no she should not and hopefully will not ever be unbanned because she would slot into a ton of decks and be so ubiquitous. She would absolutely ruin the Modern format.

>>54001152
It has me worried but if bans happen street wraith will be the first to go and the deck can survive that

Probably. But what does DS getting banned really change? It's not the only deck of its type. The meta will be more or less the same with people hating on Eldrazi Tron more in the SB since they no longer need DS specific stuff.

>>54001205
...and I'm saying that there is absolutely no point to saying that.

Honestly just ban Deaths Shadow and unban Bloodbraid Elf
Thankfully BBE doesnt slot into every damn deck. Only Jund and Naya midrange would play her and she cant be hit off CoCo.

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>>53995729
blue just needs better counterspells to keep up with the massive tempo advantage of aggressive decks

:^)

>>54001278
dont even joke about that

>>54001275
I'll take "things that are never going to happen" for $500 Alex.

>>53995729
Unbanning JTMS would send the wrong message: namely that blue-fags are welcome.

Hello tg
I used to play some UG Flash in Rvnica/Theros standard. Is there any list with flash creatures for modern?

>>54001346
Well Deaths Shadow will be banned probably. BBE probably wont be unbanned but it only helps Traditional Jund which sucks anyways atm.

>>54001152

Ban street wraith. Deck is still playable but not as good. Problem solved.

>>53999822
>What is the source on >>53995318 # image?

I believe it appeared during annuncement week last week.

>>54001446
Bant Spirits

>>54001446
Spirits. UW if you're a cheapskate, Esper if you want Lingering Souls, Zealous Persecution, and Black good-stuff, and Bant if you want the best with ramp and CoCo.

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Could Serum Powder be a spicy inclusion in a Bogles list?

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>>54001694
>playing Bogles

>>54001694
...why? To try to get Leyline? If so, you'll just have even more terrible topdecks.

>>54001152
>>54001508
Esper builds have had the superior Oz charm since the beginning and it was never back breaking, and most lists would love only play 2

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>>54001765
You find me another viable Green aura centric list and I'll look into it. Shit's hard to come by.

>>54001783
Bogles wants to mull hard for that starting hand, so hey, "free" mulls and deck thinning. Leylining more reliably is just a bonus.

>>54001167

> There isn't removal
> Artifact hate isn't already common with affinty around
> A T3 Batterskull is as strong as T3 Tron, or discard->discard->Snap+discard or any number of strong starts

SFM would is a solid card but there are stronger more broken things going on in modern right now.

>>54001936

This shit gives haste though. Exactly what you want for out - of - nowhere kills. I wouldnt say orzhov charm is superior

>>54001207
I don't really play living end and every time i face it i just ignore what they do and crack my 4 mainboard relics

What would they replace street wraith with?

>>54001152

I really feel like GrixisDS is a "fair" deck. I mean, T1 Discard->T2 Discard->Snap+Discard is pretty bullshit, but I wouldn't call it inherently degenerate. You can interact with GDS plenty of ways, tons of decks WOULD prey on it. I've been seeing people saying that the reason there aren't more decks preying on it is because decks that would have terrible match ups with the other boogieman of modern right now, Tron. GDS oppresses a lot of decks that get under Tron (Infect for example) or decks that Tron can't disrupt (combo). Tron oppresses the midrange grindy decks that would prey on GDS because a well built Tron deck has inevitability by T4. The Urza lands not being banned is beyond me, there have been plenty of cards banned for "cheating"/"breaking the fundamental rules of magic" just like the Urza lands do (one mana per land, without outside interaction or downside). Plenty of cards have been banned for enabling oppressive (not meta % but the types of decks that can be played) decks too. Oh well maybe things will get better with more colorless hate.

Honestly I'm just pissed that Black has been getting consistently good cards every set for a long time now.

>>54002499
When will people learn that Black is the best colour in magic?

>>54002588

I always liked the old school suicide black, allahackbar no survivors type decks. That's why I secretly like GDS despite hating playing against it.

>>54002620
Why would you like suicide black when you can just do what black used to do without any of the drawbacks?

>>54002588
I've always said it was. Of course I'm a Green player in a Black/Red local meta so that may just be butthurt speaking.

>>54002910
I'm actually a Naya player and I just get salty that I never get to do anything new like black does basically every set.

>>54002980
RUG player reporting in. Suffering is my name

>>54002980
>>54003016
HEY MAN

We got MANGLEHORN :DDDDD

>>54003016
>U
Fuck off. We're talking about boring colours here.

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>>54003044
>U
>not the most boring color

>>54003324
Hey man, some people really enjoy solitaire.

>>54003324
>>54003346
Drawing cards, playing at instant speed and abusing tempo is boring solitaire?
I get you guys have PTSD when it comes to blue but it doesn't have to be full counter draw go autism. I hate that shit too.

>>54003368
I actually bleed blue
but it gets boring pretty quickly so I'm constantly brewing something entertaining with blue

>>54002221
Theres removal for Deaths Shadow but that creature is everywhere. Just because removal exists doesnt mean a creature cant be good.