/wfg/ Warhammer Fantasy General

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First for Beastmanz.

>>53956329
Come on over to help translate the skaven underempire into a working component of the 40k setting.

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>tfw when you spent your entire life to become a grail knight, the living embodiment of chivalry and wisdom
>some autistic, overgrown, 10 year old sperg has your entire unit outclassed

>>53965688
>that shitty 10 minute paintjob

everytime.

>>53965700
The actual Rhinox look alright, the riders look terrible however.

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This thread is claimed for Lahmia.

>>53965839
Begone thot

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>mfw bretonnian "culture"
>mfw bretonnian "society"
>mfw bretonnian "warfare"
>mfw bretonnian "history"
>mfw bretonnian "magecraft"
>mfw bretonnian "relevance"

>>53965935
But muh knights

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>>53965935
>mfw the Empire's god is a sweaty, half-naked barbarian man
>mfw sweaty barbarian man doesn't even protect them from ballistic weaponry

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>>53966049
*blocks your path*

>>53965688

Speaking of badly done Ogres.

Did anyone else never like Ogre Kingdoms as a force at all?

I like Ogres but the mongol horde vibe never fit for me and I never liked the design of pretty much any of their models.

>>53965452

Twelfth for no more image autists.

>>53966127
ogres are the best when they are wearing floppy hats with their halfling bros

>>53966127

They should have been kept as mercenaries. A few units for a dogs of war book.

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>>53965935
>>53966086
>Don't even serve the true Gods.
>Think their shitty cultures matter

Get outta my face.

>>53966192
>Norse
>culture
pick one

>>53966119
I bet those fags put advances into BS.

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Why doesn't Nurgle have female champions?

Red pill me on Lust Chosen.

>>53966127
I'd like them better as just mercs others take, probably. I'd rather have a full Kislev army than ogres. Then again I'm weird, I also hate lizfags.

>>53966306
He does. You just don't recognize them after the syphilis.

>>53966337

At least lizards in their final form had been a thing for a lot longer and were built upon even older fluff.

Mercs would have been best, but even then having an army made up of Ogres from all over the world would have been pretty cool rather than mongolians.

Also fuck Gnoblars. New goblin tribe would be fine but those kinda mushy dumb looking things, disgrace to the greenskin race.

>>53966496
>Also fuck Gnoblars
:^(
They have their own mini army book, though

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>>53965935
mfw the bretonnians have a god that loves them enough to give them a ward save

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>>53966127
They're not a horrible army, and I enjoyed their fluff and look. It's just weird to try and explain how some tribes from the Mountains of Mourn are going to travel all over the world, or other people are going to come to them, especially when most world-travelling Ogres are set up as being individuals or small groups.

If GW had been willing to risk having a few tribes settle outside the Mountains of Mourn, maybe in the World's Edge Mountains or even the Grey Mountains or the mountains in Lustria and Naggaroth, it would've made them more flexible in terms of fighting around the world as a whole force.

>>53965452
trying to spot the judas in there
just realized
all of them are judas

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>>53965452
Could someone kindly name all the disciples, left for right?

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>>53966540
When you're shitty enough in the fluff and in the rules to make Bretonnian peasants look useful and standard Goblins look alright, then you have a problem. I feel like the only reason they were included fluffwise is because having a slave race makes it easy to keep their society working without going into details, and no one wants to imagine an Ogre housewife. Ruleswise they're just a cheap tarpit for an army that otherwise does not rely on numbers.

>>53966306
Everything Nurgle is basically female since you give birth to Nurglings without feeling it nonstop.
All we have from continuity though is a witch somehow having sex with a Great Unclean One and surviving and a champion bragging about thicc Nurggirls to Vlad. Both sadly from End Times.

I wish some secondary company would make a female Plaguebearer though.

>>53965935
Ahem.
Ze Lady, tho'

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Araby BSB is nearly done. I wanted to give him the wolf cape from GB hirdmen but the turban got in the way.
Problem is I wrote him as having full plate, which he does not look the part of wearing.

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Would you lewd a Lahmian?

>>53967429
Yes.

Why are Forest Goblins such dindus?

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Night Goblins squatted.

>>53967429
I'm not going where every man has gone before.

>>53967574
10 for $50 box of supah runts in power armor coming soon. Or never.
At this point I think they're just using AoS to clear out stock.

>>53967603
Don't be a Nipponese waifufag.

>>53967617
Instead of fixing the problems with horde armies I imagine they're just axing horde options.
No more Goblins, Clanrats, or Zombies.

>>53966833
I feel like it was a little redundant to come up with another greenskin sub species to serve as a slave race. We've got goblins, snotlings, hobgoblins, and then gnoblars. Kind of overlapping a little.

>>53967772
Remove Hobgoblins, keep Gnoblar.

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>>53967603
>implying Lahmians actually put out more than once a generation

>>53967782
Keep hobgoblins, sell upgrade kits.

>>53967817
They put out as much as needed to keep their pawns loyal.

>>53967919
Lahmians more frequently use hypnosis, same results for less effort. Feeding, too, though you can't make EVERYONE a bloodswain.

Actual sex seems to be reserved for if the Lahmian is fond of you. Though you're definitely getting bitten at some point during or after.

>>53968036
In the Ulrika series there was a fat and disgusting merchant they needed, blubbering about his vamp waifu getting killed. She had to shag him to shut him up so they had time for a replacement wife to be assigned.

>>53968104
That was a bit of an unusual circumstance, considering that all the Lahmians in Nuln were being deep sixed. I don't think that Gabriella fucked him, either, only promising him a bleeding. Which he badly needed, because the experience is intensely addictive.

>>53968104
I'd be a wreck too if my waifu died.

>>53966833
>these noses
what did GW wanted to say?

>>53967772
It would be better if we had some sort of servile force that wasn't just greenskins...why not halflings? It's a bit of a stretch, but not much a rules change.

>>53967782
I personally like hobgoblins better than gnoblars.

>>53968400
Hobgoblins are cool, agreed.

>>53968400
My problem with Hobgoblins is as a greenskin player I can use Gnoblar minis. Any player can use Ogres for unit filler, which includes Gnoblars.

Hobgoblins are made so canonically they can only be used by Chaos Dwarf players. To everyone else, they are useless.

Is there a single evil race in Warhammer Fantasy that doesn't have slaves?

>>53969090
But technically there is no real difference between a Hobgoblin and a Goblin, at least not anything meaningful enough to affect a miniature. And don't forget there are a bunch of independent Hobgoblin Khans in the lore, some of which I believe have become mercenaries or the source of Wolf Rider forces.

I can understand that you can use Gnoblars as unit filler and why you would for Ogres, but I don't get why you would use Gnoblars. At best they provide some kitbashing opportunities for regular Goblins.

>>53969432
No.

As far as nonevil races go, only High and Wood Elves don't. Empire uses Giants as slaves, Bretonnian economics is indentured servitude, Dwarfs use greenskins as labor and test subjects/mine canaries, and Lizardmen lobotomize Norscans for labor.

>>53969500
High Elves have slaves. Read Gotrek & Felix.

>>53969456
Gnoblar kits are much better than Snotling kits, and Unwashed Masses is adorable.

>>53969500
Wood elves also kidnap people and force feed them until they're fat for sacrifice.

Which isn't exactly slavery, but whatever.

>>53969537
I thought they kept little Bretonnian boys as servants or something.

>>53969620
I think that's just a degenerate 4channer fantasy, but then again I thought the same thing about Morathi and Malekith, so I could be wrong.

>>53969653
Any Bret children talented in magic are taken by the Fey Enchantress, which is Wood Elves.
Girls come back as adults trained as priests of the Lady, which are the Damsels. Boys are never seen again.

>>53969680
I just assumed they got fed to the trees or something. A lot of the problem with Bretonnia's fluff was it was written in the 'let's grimdark everything' edition, and never got an update to make it reasonable.

>>53969653
It says in the books that they basically take bretonnian boys as servants for their feast halls, and they live happily in servitude

>>53969500
>give giants all the food they can eat.
>they just stand around and act goofy.
nice slavery.

>>53970011
Which books? I can believe it, but I'd like to know where you stumbled across it.

>>53969500
>Lizardmen lobotomize Norscans for labor.

What? Where?

>>53969734
Considering they went Emprah with Ariel in End Times, Isha likely ate their souls.

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>>53970064
>Mother. Are you aware of the expression "you are what you eat"?
>Seeing as you are behaving like an ever-growing pile of screaming witch children.

>>53969653
People have talked about it like it's canon, but I admit I haven't seen a source. Kinda wish that stolen boys got made into Grail Knights to infuse them with Lady power that kept them from becoming gibbering gates to Chaos, which also explains how Bretonnia doesn't run out of them if it's so hard to sip from the Grail.

>>53970436
I like that idea. And it'd help with the legends of mysterious virtuous knights riding in from out of nowhere that no Bretonnian knows where he came from. They'd be weird, seem to not understand human society, and have just enough otherness to lead to humans wanting to keep away from them.

I would make them slightly different from Grail Knights though. Admittedly, with how rare grail knights are supposed to be, it's silly that you have whole units of them ready to die in droves for all kinds of stupid reasons. But I feel even if it is only a fluff standpoint that you'd want to be able to tell the difference between a Grail Knight that went through quests to earn his powers, and a Grail Knight raised from birth and gifted in magic to become one.

I'll actually need to think a little more on this for my WHFRP game.

>>53970039
Defenders of the forest, I believe.

>>53970513
I like how Knights of the Grail handles Grail Knights. Every single one is an incredible badass because they are actually quite rare.

Trying to imagine a unit of grail knights from WHFB the way they are represented in WFRP would turn them into a rape machine of a unit.

>>53970572
It's a good difference in my opinion. Seeing how much bullshit you have to go through to drink from the Grail, I'd have restricted grail knights to heroes or officers. Or changed the fluff a bit.

>>53970525
Thank you, I'll read up on it, and if I find it take a screencap.

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>>53970513
It is an interesting idea - what if the knight in pic related wasn't just lost and away from his own army, but raised in Athel Loren?

It also explains why Bretonnia never runs out when times are too grim or too many die trying on their quest - not every magic Bretonnian boy is going to end up a Grail Knight, mind, but it'll be enough to keep up a certain number, especially since they all live so long. And who's going to argue if they're weird? They're a Grail Knight - as far as Bretonnians are concerned, you cannot doubt their virtue, almost like how Damsels can go unquestioned. And it's not weird for them to not interact with others or spend a lot of time alone in a chapel.

I don't really know how you'd set them up as different, though - maybe the Grail Knights have been blessed with some sort of divine magic, regular holy stuff, but Grail Knights raised from magic-touched Bretonnian boys are more stretching their magical capabilities so that they're constantly tapping one or two winds of magic to give them the equivalent of the Lady's divine powers, probably Gyran or Asur. But the average Bretonnian probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference without some scrutiny, just like for some weird reason they can't tell that the fey and the Fey Enchantress are elves, despite that their fluff allows for regular Wood Elf raids, Dark Elf attacks, and some sort of interaction with High Elves.

>Warhammer TV says Deathclaw is the result of the imperial Griffin breeding program
I though he was a gift to Franz by the douche elves.

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>>53970572
>blast with artillery
How badass indeed.

>>53970746
The elves probably stole a baby griffin from the Imperial Zoo to give to Franz, because fuck them.

>>53970774
>this kills the bretonnian.
Nothing like crushing horseniggers under your jackboots

>>53970513
>>53970572
WFRP Grail Knights are basically Space Marines to the Warriors of Chaos being Chaos Marines in terms of relative performance.

>>53970774
>>53970813
Cannonballs have literally been observed to bounce off of Grail Knights. Artillery is no sure thing against them.

>>53970703
I'm not sure how the two varieties of grail knight would be differentiated mechanically. Maybe there is no difference mechanically speaking, though I would enjoy toying with the idea a bit. Lore wise, I do like the idea of strange knights of the grail answering calls at times. Weirdos that don't like to talk, and when they do, speak slowly as if it was an unfamiliar language.

Since every grail knight is let in on the secret of the Lady (After going through onerous trials to prove they won't be a snitch), I imagine that they wouldn't be surprised by the strange lost boy knights and their habits, and could work with them just as well as their brothers in a lance formation. Just a reason for there to be more grail knights, and to add a certain legend how knights of old shall emerge from the woods to supplement the beleaguered forces of Bretonnia when disaster strikes.

It'd also help with the Lady's depiction instead of being needlessly cruel with abducting kids and keeping the boys for weird self serving purposes, at least the boys are being kept as a reserve force in times of need. Calculatingly cruel instead.

>>53970831
Grail Knight Vs Exalted Champion would be a good fight.

>>53970949
The Grail Knights aren't trusted with the Lady's secret as far as I know.

>>53970774
>>53970863
>>53970813
It's like IG vs Space Marines all over again.

"I am a transhuman demigod clad in plate and fury, I have two hearts, can spit acid, and crush a man's skull in my bare hand. What can you do?"
"Aim a basilisk."

Boom. Hope for the space marine's sake that Dan Abnett isn't writing.

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>>53970949
On the tabletop? Probably nothing. In the RPG, you could try to play with them using spells from the Colleges of Magic to buff themselves up instead of whatever Grail Knights get.

It's cruel if you think about it - she doesn't want male magic users in Bretonnia since that would take away from the power of her Damsels, but she still wants to make use of a valuable resource. So she kidnaps them all the same and raises them as knights - it's either Lancelot shit, or Janissary or Mameluke stuff. Either way it's a twisted sort of 'waste not want not' since she caused the 'waste' for her own ends.

>>53969432
Beastmen

>>53970746
Valten's horse was Tyrion's horse's offspring.

>>53970863
As boris kraus said.
No problem can't be solved with cannons.

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>>53971036
Oh, really? Whoops. I thought they were. Never mind that then.

>>53971096
Oh yeah, it's still unbelievably cruel keeping an entire culture spiritually vassalized for her own purposes, and stealing any infant of magical power in the night without warning or explanation. It's just that instead of "Girls be magic, and boys be mumblemumblesomethingsomethingneetelvesmagicshotasmumblemumble" it's, "Girls be magic, boys be a reserve of indoctrinated slave soldiers to call on when shit goes wrong." Making use of the boy children as nights is just a bit more practically evil rather than just wasting the boy babies on frivolous bullshit just because.

Also, I like to imagine that the battle pilgrims give the lost boy grail knights a wide berth and don't scavenge them for Grail Reliquae. Well honed peasant instincts from many generations.

I do wonder what "true" grail knights might think about their strange comrades, if they're unaware of the Lady's secret.

Anyway, I got a plot hook for my poor imperials tramping around Bordeleaux. Thank you.

>>53971038
I tend to think that the Lady's blessings are way more likely to work when the Grail Knight is doing something particularly heroic - fighting a daemon by himself, covering a retreat, fighting a bunch of chaos fags while heavily outnumbered...

No basis for it, just what I like to think.

>>53971398
That's how the RPG treats it. They even shine brighter when they are heroic.

>>53971100
>ungors and turnskins

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>>53965935
Why are you getting a boner when thinking about Bretonnians

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>>53967323

Looks good, I know what you mean though he looks a bit unarmoured to be the BSB.

Perry miniatures sell a command pack with a bunch of BSB's in it, you could use that guy as as unit standard bearer.

https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=23_33_53&products_id=2118&osCsid=tjosv08ofj8umcuvejujtntbe3

Also, if you're looking for a wizard you have to get this guy, he's a citadel classic.

https://warmongerminiatures.myshopify.com/collections/ex-citadel/products/tww-03

They also sell a model that may be suitable for a general under the ex-Citadel page. Keep us updated, I love non-armybook builds.

>>53967574

There's a good chance the's actually have been squatted since the models were old and they have night Gobbo's.

>>53970039
Could have been the fluff sections of army books as well

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> MFW I'm poaching new AoS players for Fantasy.

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>>53972698
I already ordered Warlord's Suleiman for my general, he's going to stand in for Franz. That is a great wizard though, I'll see to it to get my grubby mitts on one.
I also need to look for turban heads to replace the landsknechts once that kit drops because I can only scavenge so many rifles from the mahdist box.

Which career path is the best for killing shit in WFRP 2e, from start to end?

>>53973687
Knight-Errant (Carcassonne) -> Knight of the Realm -> Questing Knight -> Grail Knight

>>53973722
I figured that would be it. What about the core book?

>>53965700
It's like he stopped painting after priming the ogres. The rhinoxes looks really go though.

>>53973740
Pretty much anything that ends at Champion.

>>53966127
Tbh I've never seen them as a mongol-horde. To me they've always been savage mountain tribes grown fat and prosperous on raiding and/or demanding tribute from the wealthy trade caravans that cross their territory.
I.E more Armenian/iberian principalities located on the Silk Road than Mongol Horde.

>>53966192
Kurgan all the way.

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>>53967323
Some people/cultures wore their armour under outer garments. Herodotus includes a story where an important persian cavalry commander was stabbed multiple times by increasingly astonished greeks to no effect untill some greek realised that the persian wore scale armour beneath his fine robes.

>>53971601

that gif is simply breathtaking in its silliness

>>53973960
I thought for a second about how a lack of Fel might be a downside, but then I remembered that there are hardly any rules for using it in the first place.

>>53974312
Fellowship matters mostly for the handful of social skills, command skills, torture, and whatever a creative DM thinks of, but anon asked for the best killman careers, and those are Grail Knight and Champion.

>>53974630
I should add, personally, that I let Fel be used in breaking Fear for allies.

>>53974630
It's very reliant on the GM, unfortunately. Not a very reliable investment, unlike killing shit.

>>53974739
That's true of all systems save ones with 'social combat.'

Actually, WFRP has that (I believe it's detailed in the Warhammer Companion), but I find parallel combat systems to abstract...uh, talking...very unintuitive and dull.

Are firearms ever worth it in WFRP, or are you better off with a bow in all cases?

>>53975019
Soldier with gun can be very good for early game.

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What's a good place to find Araby lore?
Using only the wiki doesn't feel right.

>>53975494
Same place GW would have lifted it from if they had ever gotten around to adding it properly. Arabian Nights and Ray Harryhausen movies, which some trademark GW grimdark plastered on.

>>53975019
They're alpha strike weapons, but bows quickly become better with multiple attacks.

Both are obviated later game because they're flat damage. I solved this myself by buffing up guns to do 2 more points of damage to 1d10+6. This - with Impact and AP - makes them relevant pretty much indefinitely. Bows I gave a STR-based damage modifier of 1d10+(SB-1), which makes them initially a bit weaker. I'm still mulling where to go with that houserule.

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>>53975494
Could try looking in where-ever they would have put Warmaster Araby rules and fluff. If nothing else they'll probably talk about them a bit during the Crusades, since that's the big thing that happened to Bretonnia aside from Gilles le Breton.

But I can give you these mentions an anon gave to me, from various parts of WHRP 2e.

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>>53965452
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little Goblin? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Nuln Gunnery School, and I’ve been involved in numerous wars in Bretonnia, and I have over 300 confirmed misfires. I am trained in grapeshot warfare and I’m the top Griffon sniper in the entire army of the Empire. You are nothing to me but just another Stirland peasant. I will wipe you the fuck out with ballistic skill the likes of which has never been seen before in the Old World, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me through the winds of magic? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Witch Hunters across the land and your Chaotic cult is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm (of magic), maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, child. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my mortar. Not only am I extensively trained in black-powder combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Nuln Engineering school and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable arse off the face of the Old World, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will rain Sigmar's fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, lickspittle.

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>>53975724
Hey, they took part in the Storm of Chaos.

>>53977084
>Grimgor kicks Anakin in the nuts: the campaign

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>>53977400
>>Archaon: You didn't beat me up. You hit me over the head with a lamp.

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>>tfw the cult of ulric only gets one electoral vote

>>53977551
Pretty sure the northlands that primarily worship Ulric have an open ear to the Ar-Ulric.

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>>53977586
The only guaranteed votes Middenheim have are Middenheim and the Ar-Ulric. The other provinces can still swing either way depending on the candidate, which is still heavily influenced by four(!) Reikland votes.

>>53977616
You could always take away the half-ling's food to secure a vote.

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>>53977644
The Elder will probably vote for whoever can supply him with the most gold/waste the least amount of his time. The southern provinces can do that. Unless Talabecland can use the old anti-Sigmarite sentiment against them, Reikland will probably clean up again.

>>53974239
how do you not realize you are stabbing armour the first time?

>>53977786
Likely a man going to war for the first time. Even a man leading an army can have no real battle experience if his people have been at peace for some time.

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>be WF world
>gunpowder
>movable type
>some kind of steam powered shit
>even a motherfucking helicopter
>mfw compass is not invented yet

>>53978032
That's what happens when a super technological society gives you a few secrets but tells you to grow a hundred years or more before they reveal a few others.

>>53978032
Needs must when mutants keep trying to eat you.

>>53969432
There are no succesfull civilizations in OUR history that didnt use some kind of skavery, let alone in Fantasy.

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>>A young, muttering dwarf hands a note to you. It is written in Reikspiel.
>>It says that due to a debt owed to your great, great, grandfather, half of this dwarfs treasure hold belongs to you. The entire wealth could buy three sailing ships, their holds over flowing with goods, cannon and best quality crew.
>>What do you do?

>>53977084
I would really love to see the fluff on the Storm of Chaos, not gonna lie. Summaries that I've read on wikis summed up Bretonnia's contribution as 'being there, maybe doing some scouting in one battle, getting pushed back.'

>>53978248
Arm expedition to kill Dietrich Kastner.

>>53975494
You might end up getting some more fluff come the new total war actually. Araby has a prominant piece of real-estate right where the maps are combining in like october, doubt they'll be fleshed out or probably even modeled right, but flavour will be abound.

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>>53978261
There is at least one archive, in which King Louen defeated Bel'akor. The Bretonnians were literally, and unsurprisingly, shock cavalry, who helped push back the lines. Not only that, the vanguard was the Errantry War, with the rest of the country coming up with Duke Bohemmond the Beastslayer.

>>53978248
Fund expedition to Albion, spend the rest of my inheritance and life trying to make it relevant

>>53978300
1 or 2?

>>53978248
Buy an elf slave to have children with.

>>53978419
Both technically, we're getting the New World in 2 but apparently the Southlands not too long after, strongly pointing the way towards Tomb king dlc. But ofcourse to connect the old world to southlands they pretty much have to let us pass through Araby.

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>>wood elf team best cheerleaders

>>53975494
Just look at the Warhammer Armies Project, he has an Araby book that is really good, lots of lore and it looks professional.

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>>53978702

> OH NO HE DIDN'T

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>>53978702
>>the prince of Egypt
>>...
A lot of the unofficial army books
>>

>>53978702
I already started building up the lore to my city-state.
The troops wear no armor because they're ranged only, if they get in melee then they deserved it. If they get shot back then plate won't hold against a bullet so why bother.
The melee soldiers are slaves that are promised freedom after 10 years of service, which results in them getting promoted to veteran soldiers that actually get paid for their duty and wear nice padded cloth armor. No training though, it's assumed that if they lasted that long they know how to fight. These are the halberdiers and swordmen while the slaves are all spearmen armed with cheap spears and hide shields.
I'll check it out and see what else I can use.

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>>53978873
Honestly I like the idea of all that, makes sense to me.

>>53970378
>Dammit Rogal, stop dressing up like a woman already

>>53978300

People keep saying they wont be in because of the way the map is clipped?

>>53979482
I'm betting they'll just say that the Tomb Kings wiped out Araby and just fill in more OC Tomb King factions in place of having to make a new faction with assets and no army book.

>>53979515
Even better, it's just Tomb Kings with Empire models. Beautiful.

I should really stop giving them such shit considering that all in all they've been doing pretty great.

>>53979515
CA has said that they will be making a new faction that doesn't have any official army book in 8th edition, I think before the second Total War: Warhammer even comes out
The pack will be for the first one, anyway

>>53979482
We don't know what the new map looks like in total because we haven't seen the Southlands or Naggaroth yet and we have no clear layout for the map, just this fly-over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PtX_tJdBU4
But the lands which the Arabyan city-states occupied will almost certainly have to be in the game considering they're kind of in the middle of what we're getting, not on the edge.

>>53979515
CA said that they have a lot of free reign in regards to races and factions in the second game, so it's possible that they start with the Warmaster army list and go from there.

>>53979579
They keep mentioning that there are Bretonnian colonies in the Southlands and I'm frightened that they're going to just have a Bretonnian Araby like we have the Empire Kislev.

>>53979685
If they did that, I'd be pretty fucking mad. It doesn't even really make sense in a lot of ways.

Only lore about Brets in the Southlands I know of goes back to Man O' War, so they're really stretching far back to get their lore excuses.

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What army do you play, Anon?
Do you have any specific things you can't stop yourself from fielding?

I usually over spend on characters on my Wood Elves, like in 2k I'll have two wizards and 1-2 other heroes like a bsb and some random meleeboy
With my Orcs I can't help myself and always bring all my 6 Stone Trolls (to be 8 because I still miss a sculpt or two and it's my favourite model)

>>53979685
"You guys love Deus Vult right? That's a hot meme? Well here's a Bretonnian crusader state!"

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>>53976825

>>53977812
You're talking about hardened veteran fighters.
>>53977786
We're probably talking about a scenario that played out in seconds as the leader was bumrushed by foes trying to get to the kill. I'm not someone who have tried putting a spear through a person but I would presume that bone and metal have a somewhat similar feel to them when they deflect blows.
If not that then we are talking about an extremely superstitious people who faced a foe who's priests are the origin of the word mage. I mean if you refuse numerious time to perform a charge due to bad omens I see no reason why you wouldn't believe that the enemy's sorcerous priests would be capable to make their senior commanders impervious to mortal weapons.

>>53977644
You know the halflings deal with regular Sylvanian runoff, right? You try to take their food at your own peril. Probably end up in the pie.

>>53978248
Gift a large portion back to a needy dwarf hold in dire straits, thereby cultivating a new debt that will grow in proportion when my investment helps save them.

>>53979970
Would be neat with one Bretonnian crusader state in a sea of hostile Araby city states.

>>53979847
Bretonnia participated heavily in the Crusade against Arab centuries ago, but I don't think any crusader states remain among the Durkallahs themselves. Quite a number of Border Prince realms date to the crusades, and their Bretonnian rulers tend to still pledge fealty to the King and Lady.

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So what's the latest news on W:TW2?

>>53981097
Ulthuan and Lustria map shown.
https://youtu.be/3PtX_tJdBU4

>>53966724
Even Rat Jesus?

>>53981341
That's super Judas.

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http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Wolfram_Hertwig
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herwig_Wolfram
Hmmmm
HMMMMMMM

>>53981097
We're getting Norsca before 2's release and FUCK ALL ELSE DO WE KNOW FUCK WHO IS OLD FRIEND

>>53980350
Live rent free with em

>>53970831
You mean chaff that relies on a 3+ save?

>>53975131
How?
>only one attack every third round (every second round with rapid reload)
>expensive ammo + gunpowder
>unreliable
>the shit accuracy of a starting character
>10 shots

>>53981923
>not carrying around a dozen already loaded guns so that you don't need to reload in combat

>>53981593
Nope
We'll find out "in late summer" though
Could be Krell or something similar

>>53981953
Every gun costs 300 gold.

>>53981973
Git gud, guy

>>53982045
I love this meme. It's so good.

>>53975562
Our group house ruled to replace and Strength based damage bonus with a Ballistic one for bows - so a BS 55 archer is not only more accurate, but getting +5 to damage.

>>53982192
You need to be strong enough to actually knock and hold an arrow, not just any git can do it.

>>53982302
We can surely assume some degree of abstraction. Really, a bow will only ever be as powerful as its draw weight, but I tend to reason that you always have the heaviest bow you can handle. I could force my PCs to buy a new bow as they get stronger, but I'm not that mean.

>>53982192
Eeeeh, I'm not sure I'm a fan. This combines two stats into one, rather heavily hurting WS weps, especially since S progression is usually slower than WS and BS.

One I've been toying with in my own notes but haven't offered in place of the 1d10+SB-1 rule is 1d10+((.5*SB)+1), where you round fractions UP. Though it looks a confusing mess, it produces a flatter but steadily increasing damage curve that keeps archery nasty without nerfing the bow for average S chars in the 30s range (one half of 3 is 1.5, rounded up is 2, plus 1 is 3, so most moods will still be doing 1d10+3 with bows).

>>53981962
They said its not one thing or person.

>>53981515

So which is it?

>>53984106
My point was just that it's probably not a coincidence that the Elector Count of Ostermark has a very similar name to a prominent Austrian Medievalist.

I imagine someone saw his name on a book, borrowed it and flipped it around so it wasn't so obvious.

Any extra steps I need to take in prepping a resin miniature versus plastic? I've only ever done plastic so far.

>>53984341
Wash it with soap and water. Sometimes there's a residue left over from the release agent.

>>53984341
resin is real toxic so dont breath that in

>>53981923
I am assuming you have a decent BS to start with. But the amount of things I killed/put into crit city with a gun was pretty staggering.

> More blood bowl made to order.

Fucking hell, when are we getting the promised Fantasy stuff?

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>Put grass on bases
>Call it "pro painted Night Goblins"

I don't get the joke. Are they supposed to be underground?

>>53985496
How many old Blood Bowl teams are left?

I'd say one more big BB MTO then they might get to Fantasy. Possibly after another 40k.

>>53978032
>mfw compass is not invented yet
what gives you that idea?
I mean most maps even have the compass needle and that stuff on them.

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Image of the coming Pro Gloria plastic Landsknecht.

>>53977616
I think this "one vote" thing might have came from Mordheim, or another piece of old fluff.

And after spending a bunch of time playing Skarsnik lately, I really hope they make a Tenehuan DLC, so I can overrun my enemies with hordes of Skinks.

>tfw it doesn't matter if one stack full of gobbos can't kill something
>because you can afford to bring another stack or 3 if you want

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>>53970572
T3 2+sv and variable ward save is shit on a model that costs 33pts

Trebuchet is 90 pts and it takes up a single rare slot aswell, however it is infinitely more useful than 3 grail knights

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>>53981055
The Bretonnians basically fucked off after Jaffar was defeated - they didn't care for holding any territory or even taking much treasure, since they were more concerned about honor and chivalry. You might be able to argue a few might have stayed, but was really the Empire knights who stayed for any real length of time and left the most impact.

The Southlands thing I spoke of was a very, very brief mention in the Man O War rulebook of a Bretonnian captain having estates in the Southlands, with the name 'Villaneuve' being tossed out as where the ships had started from. Unfortunately I can't find a good-quality scan of the rulebook for the life of me, and it affects any screenshot I try to take of such fluff.

>>53986259
>I think this "one vote" thing might have came from Mordheim, or another piece of old fluff.
Which 'one vote' thing?
Mordheim was set during the Age of the Emperors, so the Electoral system is kinda irrelevant at that point.

>>53986485
Age of THREE Emperors rather.

>>53986456
When does this story take place?

>>53986259
It's mentioned in the Empire army books and Sigmar's Heirs that Middenheim has two votes, one for the Elector Count and one for the Ar-Ulric. Middenheim and Altdorf are unique in that they're the only cities with more than one vote.

>>53986636
Not sure - perhaps sometime before the succession of Marienburg from the Empire, since it's still considered the main port of their fleet instead of Nordland. Since the Empire is spoken of in terms that imply it's unified, it's probably after Magnus the Pious.

Of course, Man O' War itself is ridiculously old, and the timeline of such older fluff may not match the one we know today. It's like how early Gotrek and Felix stories mention a Sun King in Bretonnia.

>>53978248
Invest in marienburg/middenheim real estate. Buy a stagecoach and marry a fancy Brettonian wife. Learn about ancient Cathayan and Ind history. Be the right side of depraved in my vices

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>>53987004

>>53979965

I always bring 40 Great Swords even though they're shit in 8E.

>>53980342

DAY OF THE PASTRY SOON

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>>53981953

Correct.

>>53983993

Is it darkness?

>>53979965
Mono Nurgle WoC-player here.
I pretty much always include atleast one Gorebeast Chariot of Nurgle and a unit of Forsaken in my Army lists.

I'm starting up WoC. The current warriors come in boxes of 16, is that enough for a full unit?

>>53985531
>hooks on the net are white, no wash or anything on the net it's just flat white
>no washes or shades on anything
>that banner and it's fully red mushrooms
>lazily plopped on sprinkles of grass on bases
>fell for the purple robe/red wood meme
fuck this guy, gosh.

>>53988294
Totes, if you want to you can run them in units of at least 10 I think. 10-20.
If you want a big unit, get another box for that 30 men strength
What kind of armybuild were you thinking?

>>53988343
Warriors with MoS, Chariots with MoS, Knights with MoS, Trolls. No real plans other than that.

>>53985137
Decent BS is still generally a <50% chance to hit.

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>>53988294
>current warriors come in boxes of 16
>yfw there are 16 guys in there because a rank was 4 dudes back in the day
>yfw the models are old enough to have made it through the edition with 5 models per rank without update
>yfw the models are still being sold for AoS
>yfw the models still hold up pretty well

>>53988692
And completely wrecking any opponent you might face, up to and including foes in full plate.

>>53988692
If you get the upgraded aim and an advance in BS, then you are usually hitting around 60s

>>53991296
Not even counting Talents. Probably the greatest strength of guns is the fear of them being fired in the first place, just like in real life. The power of god.

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>>53967429

No.

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>>53991689
Gilles and Abhorash were too pure for this world. They should fight crime together.

>>53991724

A day will come my brother, dawn shall rise across the myriad realms and a great host shall appear. At the head of the host shall ride two great knights of red and green. On that day darkness shall fall as justice and righteousness is restored.

>>53991827
Abhorash was the 15th companion.

Don't know if Beastman bro is in this thread but he should check out these models.

https://warmongerminiatures.myshopify.com/collections/beastmen

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>>53988294

Yeah definitely, I personally would go for units of 18 in a 6 X 7 formation but 12+ is fine.

If you do want to run them in 18's or 21's you can buy a top up pack of push fits.

>>53992374

Sorry 6 x 3.

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>>53991724
I kind of like the fan canon (written by someone official?) that Giles and Aborash survived the destruction of the Warhammer World and guarded the slumbering remains of the greatest remaining warriors of Bretonnia as they drifted across the void of space in a huge Grail Chapel.

It is admittedly still a little dumb, but a lot better than what the End Times actually gave us.

>>53991916
But anon, there were only 13 Grail Companions. Why are you implying there was a 14th?

>>53992699
That was a Black Library book that implied Abhorash was indebted to Gilles.

Gilles triumphant will be the 14 companion.

>>53988717
>tfw I suddenly realize I've never seen a Bebop and Rocksteady Beastman conversion
>tfw google doesn't reveal any either
Okay, that's surprising. Of all the 90's shit to slip under the conversion radar, TMNT wasn't one I'd guess.

>>53992903
It's not entirely appropriate for the thread but there are a few companies that do turtle warriors. Fewer do the other characters.
Greebo has a compelete set of the 4 heroes in a halfshell, Splinter, Shredder and Bebop and Rocksteady.
They have a pretty distinct style to them though.

>>53993027
Nah, no interest at all in converting them, let alone buying them.

I'm just surprised I've never seen it before in my 18 years of Warhammer.

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>>53993174
Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm kind of bummed that Lizardmen never got a heavy infrantry unit of snapper turtles.

Though WHFB has very little to offer in the way of pizza and the sewers are the Skaven's domain.
I think they are just a better fit for Infinity or something like that in terms of theme.

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Night Gobbos don't make their own clothing since textile work requires a complex distribution of labor.

So why are they so uniform? Shouldn't their shit be the colors of what they looted, so mostly Dwarf pants and cloaks in blue and the colors of the Eight Peaks? Are they intentionally dying their shit and paying some extrordinarily focused Gobbos shitloads of teef to wear black and red?

>>53993279
>>pizza and sewars are the Skaven's domain
Like you don't know Clan Radikal and their plains to bake a perfectly spherical food series.

>>53993332
>>get black clothing
>>steal black clothing
At best they're probably paying some gobbo to dump job their dyes.

>>53993279
Beastmen are Broo ripoffs, right? Also Karl's nephew is a mutant who isn't evil?

So maybe Splinter was born to Tilean merchants who raised him and taught him to sneak, and he adopted turtle Beastmen and made them pizza while teaching them the ways of Nippon that he learned by observing and fighting against Skaven.

I dunno. Otherwise they just came from another dimension through the Warp. The Turtles do shit like that a lot. That's how they got so many crossovers.

>>53993358
I think the Empire is the only nearby place to get bulk black cloth, and that's a LONG way away. Not to mention mixed in stripes and plaits with white and red.

>>53993332

You don't need a complex distribution of labour to make cotton anon, people have made it for thousands of years. They were just cottage industries.

If they can forge weapons they can make cotton.

>>53993332
Gobbos are generally known for doing all the busywork for the orcs. No reason they can't be industrious.

Maybe they make their robes out of spider silk.

Who are the top 5 melee fighters (strictly melee, no mounts or casting. Magical weapons allowed) in WHFB lore?

Who are the top 5 spellcasters?

Who are the top 5 leaders and commanders?

>>53993666
In current lore or in all history?

>>53993679
Let's say current lore for now. We can discuss in history later.

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>>53993691
>>top 5 melee fighters
Prince Tyrion
Archaon
Grimgor Ironhide
King Louen
Headtaker Queek


>>top 5 spell casters
Lord Kroak (since he's still technically around)
Prince Teclis (tied for first with Kroak)
Lord Muzdamundi
Lord Zacharias
The Fay Enchantress

>>top 5 leaders and commanders
Prince Tyrion
Emperor Karl Franz
King Louen
Greasus Goldtooth
Headtaker Queek

>>53993332
Since when? People have been making clothing in their households for centuries in the real world, and cottage industries were always a thing. You get runtier gobbos and snotlings to do most of the dirty work, or have everyone make their own clothes or steal 'em. And there's probably plenty of black sticky things they can use to crudely dye cloth or squigskin down in the deep dark caves. Maybe it's just black dirt. Maybe it's mushroom juice. Could be tar or oil.

It's the same sort of problems of logic you run into when you try and figure out how Beastmen can have metal weapons and armor when they shun all civilized trappings and obviously won't have anything like a blacksmith. It gets to the point where you have to headcanon, or just not think about it because there's no way it could make sense.

>>53993848
>Melee
Abhorash should probably be up there instead of Queek. Could probably best Louen too. And Archaon minus the Mary sue plot armor.

>Leaders
No Settra?

>>53993931
Abhorash has no rules.

>>No Settra?
C'mon, he goes to sleep every now and then. It's not fair. Should we also compare Aenarion?

>>53993666
Abhorash

Gilles le Breton or Landuin

>>53993961
OP said lore.

>>53993848
no Nagash?

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>>53993848
I'm really concerned about how Nagash isn't anywhere on that list. I get that Zacharias is cool, but Nagash invented the whole concept of necromancy - boot his ass and put the original Liche up there.

And I know Greasus Goldtooth is pretty awesome by Ogre standards, but he's not an amazing leader or commander by the standards of the whole setting. He's just managed to bully others. I'd rather see Malekith in his spot.

Not to bully the poor Bretonnians, but I can't see Louen as a great melee fighter. He's good and all, but never a top five of the setting - there's gotta be someone tougher. Maybe a great leader, but the Bretonnian system is so feudalized he doesn't do all that much as a king aside from take charge of his own domains - he's just and wise, sure, but I can't hold him up next to Franz or Finubar or Settra.

>>53994043
>I'd rather see Malekith in his spot.

The guy who failed so bad at his coup that he's permanently stuck in his armor, only taking the codpiece off long enough to frost his own mother's womb?

>>53993961
Abhorash doesn't have rules but he has established lore and the writers have said he's tippy top.

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>>53993666
Kroak is the greatest caster, he's technically dead and can't use spell lores any more, but he's still ridiculously powerful even in death. Mazdamundi is the greatest living caster, closely followed by Teclis, followed by Nagash. After that I'd place strong Tzeentchian disciples and Lords of Change such as Kairos Fateweaver.

>>53994013
>>53994022
Lore. Both have someone in the tactician and magician category. Like we said, current.

(although Nagash is currently rebuilding his strength)

>>53994043
Nagash plays it safe because he knows it's a better plan to plan ahead than steam forward.

Louen is a great fighter by math alone.

>>53994070
Except Gilles is the only person ever to best him, which holds his honour.

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>>53994064
The fact that he's managed to keep the fractious Dark Elves under his thumb for literally thousands of years, and be able to throw them against Ulthuan time and time again, speaks volumes. Anyone else would have been backstabbed several times over by now.

>>53994071
Should Thanquol be on the list? Even Teclis notes that in terms of raw power, he's a challenge.

>>53994094
>King Loser of the Losers

A formidable ruler indeed.

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>>53994064
>only taking the codpiece off long enough to frost his own mother's womb?
You are saying like you wouldn't do that yourself.

Bloodthirster of Khorne is the strongest fighter in the setting that has a model.

Strongest Skaven fighter is Deathmaster Snikch, not Queek.

Remember how people were going on about what happened to the magic-touched boys of Bretonnia that were stolen away? Well, Lexicanum apparently has the answer. Must've been doing a shitton of updating.

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sons_of_Bretonnia

>>53994340
Yeah, I saw that the other day and thought it was weird that I hadn't noticed before. Kind of neat. Shame that they didn't make it into Total Warhammer.

>>53985665
WFRP 2ND edition, core book, Navigator career.

>>53993666
>Who are the top 5 melee fighters (strictly melee, no mounts or casting. Magical weapons allowed) in WHFB lore?
In no particular order:
Aenarion, Abhorash, Gilles, Grimnir, Archaon.
>Who are the top 5 spellcasters?
Also in no order:
Kroak, Mazmundi, Caledor the Dragontamer, Teclis, Nagash.
>Who are the top 5 leaders and commanders?
Arguable, and Sigmar is really hard to judge since we know his diplomacy far more than his strategy.

But in no order:
Caledor I, Skarsnik, Magnus The Pious, Seerlord Kritislik, Thorgrim Grudgebearer.

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>>53994064

>>53994106
Not in the top five.

Morathi was near Teclis's equal, and there's Kairos too.

>>53994064
>Still no porn of Morathi and Malekith

On the other hand we do seem to have gotten a bit more porn lately on Paheal. Plus some mistagged Cultistchan. Some on Tumblr that hasn't made it to Paheal yet too.

>>53988294
I usually run my Warrior units in sizes of either 18 or 24 models. As such 16 models are fine as it means that you can also have a sorcerer and a BSB in there.

>>53994340
Oh. Huh. So that earlier idea actually is what happened in the lore. Now I gotta find this Hammer and Bolter.

>>53979965

Skaven & WE fag here

For skaven Gutter Runners, they're amazing, and the source of much butthurt.

Welves, treemen and treeking. A single model tarpit is always worth it

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>>53985531

>pro painted

>>53995419
do a search on ebay for "pro painted" minis, it's really something.

>>53995456
I'm still not seeing it. I just see square bases and grass.

>>53995568
it's because they aren't pro painted at all but they hope that someone will pay them extra if they say it is

>>53993848

>Headtaker Queek
>leader

he's not even a clanleader, he's a bodyguard

>>53994215

Snitch is not a fighter, he's an assassin.

>>53995637
yeah I'd imagine the whole point of being an assassin is to not have to actually fight your opponent
>>53993848
>Fay Enchantress
>everyone forgetting Ariel exists
Yare yare

>>53995409
What is it about gutter runners that causes butthurt? I regularly play skaven but haven't seen them on the field yet

>>53994071
Even after placing the lore above their rules I would place Nagash at 2nd place after Kroak.

>>53995185
Best list by a mile.

>>53995185
>Aenarion, Abhorash, Gilles, Grimnir, Archaon.
Put Tyrion in there and we'll be good

>>53994115
I don't want elf aids.

>>53996993
why are like two anons pushing Tyrion so hard

>>53997168
Because Tyrion is strongest living elf, who defeated Malekith.

>>53997168
Tyrion should be pushed more often.

>>53997168
If i recall correctly Tyrion had the strongest melee stats on the tabletop.

He and Teclis are supposed to be two of the strongest in their respective fields.

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>holy Roman empire
>one of its rulers is a mongol
Hol' up.
Really g00k? 12 fucking captchas?

>>53993666
In full order, from best to worst

>Top 5 Melee fighters
Grimnir
Aenarion
Aborash
The Green Knight
Archaon/Tyrion/Valten

>Top 5 Spellcasters
Lord Kroak
Caledor I/Nagash
Mazdamundi
Teclis
Ariel


>To 5 Leaders
Settra
Thogrim Grudgebearer
Gilles le Breton
Karl Franz
Archaon

>>53997571
>Archeon
>leader
He was just doing the usual chaos warlord thing of "do as I say or I'll put on my best greenskin impression".

>>53997542
He is slav.

>>53997594
You still need a very strong leadership to lead an horde of people that want to kill eachother as much as the enemy

>>53991174
No? It doesn't even have armor piercing.

>>53995116
To be fair, WFRP does sometimes contradict itself.

Even without the compass, though, it's no big deal. The real life vikings discovered the Americas and sailed as far as India without a steenkin' compass.

>>53997542
Protip: any time you get the 'click until there are no more' captcha, use the refresh option to get a different one. Jewgle's captchas can get out of hand on the clickthrough ones.

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>>53997635
Nah, the gods did all that for him, and Faglakor just hit reset on the universe when he messed up.

Archaon doesn't belong on any of these best-of lists. There's always a character who does more with less.

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>>53978032
>The core of the warhammer world is gromril, not iron
>Gromril isn't magnetic
>The poles do have one thing in common though - the polar gates are there
>mfw the inhabitants of the warhammer world have to use warpstone compasses.

>>53995745

2 poisonous shots with 18'' reach for model.

They can both scout and ambush, and they are even competent at wiping out other skirmisher or the occasional high T monster in close combat

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>>53998303
>dwarfs discover this
>find out skaven figured it out CENTURIES ago
>get so mad they destroy all the research and refuse to ever talk about it again

>>53998303
>that picture
>kissing a chunk of wyrdstone
Honestly, ever since Mordheim came out, that has looked like a bad idea. What did he think would happen?

>>53998460
Well, that's from Mordheim.
Wyrdstone was basically thought of as the philosopher's stone that could transmute lead into gold and grant eternal life but could do bad things too.

Given the twin-tailed comet icon, and that Mordheim was considered to be the manifestation of Sigmar's judgement, he probably thinks its some kind of physical manifestation of Sigmar's divinity.

>>53998348
what do their saves look like

>>53998503

6+ ward save, can get shields and they're skirmisher. However, they're usually fielded as 5 or 6 models, with multiple units.

>>53998159
>Faglakor just hit reset on the universe when he messed up.

Only because the southern gods conspired to kill him. Be'lakor just evened the playing field.

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Just posting this sweet ebay deal here incase somone wants to get into Bretonnia.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Warhammer-Knights-/322559713955?hash=item4b1a0ea2a3:g:EBgAAOSw6YtZR152

>>53985531
Thats 3/5 at the highest in painting skills.

>>53999245
>AU

>>53997376
Historically speaking he is below Aenarion.

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>>53965452

>>53997635
No you don't, they fall into his horde as soon as he becomes Everchosen. He doesn't have to do any politics. His military strategies also suck, he just leans on his numbers.

What do you suppose the Imperium would do if a bunch of pre-Vandire Frateris Templar got shat out by the warp, just tell them to get new jobs?

What sort of positions would they be suitable for?

>>53998159
>Faglakor just hit reset on the universe when he messed up.

No ET/BL fluff in this thread please.

>>54000841
Then Archaon was even weaker, and barely managed to win a fight with a random blacksmith who had none of his god powers or ancient relics, and who had been fighting all day rather than hiding in the rear ranks.

>>54000964
Did Archaon fight against Valten before he became Exalted?

>>53994064
To be a bit fair to the guy, most people don't survive their failed coups.

>>54001043
As far as I know their fight at the base of Middenheim was their first and final encounter.

>>54001160
Then you are wrong about Valten being just a blacksmith with no god powers or ancient relics. He was Sigmar reborn, he wielded Ghal-Maraz, he wore an ancient suit of armor originally made for Sigmar, he rode an elven steed sired by Tyrion's horse, and he got beaten by Archaon fair and square. Then Archaon proceeded to beat Luthor Huss before being beaten by Grimgor.

>>54001295
That was a different anon.