Hour of Devastation Spoilers

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>>53965328
Banned in EDH in 3....2.....1.....

Well this is a game winner in limited, stupid in EDH, and will probably see standard play if black-containing midrange or control decks are a thing.

It's also probably going to look great in foil.

There's quite a bit of "lose 3 unless sac or discard", I wonder if it's going to be a new bolas thing, or if effects like that are going to be a new thing black gets.

>>53965454
It's a cycle of three they just unveiled.

>>53965454
In Melissa Detorra article she explains that it's a mini cycle of cards that are limited in number to make the choice of losing life or discarding/sacing things more interesting

>>53965328
>>53965383
>>53965397
>I SEND THE SWARM I SEND THE HORDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz8_iHHejwI

Also hell yeah, more curses for my slowly building curse deck.

>>53965383

Kinda sucks they can just sac the creature you -3/-3ed. Instant Speed helps it a ton though.

>>53965590

Fuck. I can't read and missed "Another".

>>53965328
Wait, stop, that card is bad unless you have stupid amounts of mana (at which point you can just Exsanguniate).

In later stages of the game, your opponent has an average of six cards in hand and non-land permanents on the board in total. You aim to kill him, so let's just count life; Hailfire surpasses a fireball at 11 mana (-9). Say you fail to reach that point: he just leaves his best creature on the board and murders you, because you wasted an opportunity to cast a 10 mana threat.

Generally, Fireballs are reach for semi-agressive decks, and are supposed to finish you off at X=6+-1. This card fails at that and performs as the solo finisher, but then it has to hit for at least 20, and that's 15 mana! Maybe you aim to destroy your opponent's board and hand and make Hailfire lethal for just 9 mana - okay, he has no creatures and no answers, just play a resilient threat or a huge walker (ironically, Bolas is perfect in this case).

And obviously it's shit at removal and discard, see Killing Wave.

>>53965367
Not really that amazing in EDH. It gives players a choice and is only as good as any other infinite mana outlet. I see it being used in mono-black and not much else. It's good, and can be used to get some great value, but Exsanguinate is better.

>>53965590
they cant sac the creature you targeted. "another" nonland permanent

>>53965494
>I'm gonna cause a famine, a nightly firestorm and plague on innocent people because my brother won't end slavery

Was Moses the bad guy?

>>53965678
>Jews
>Ever not the bad guy

>>53965678

Given they made up the story, yes.

>>53965678
If your plan to be passive and let an adopted Jewish boy grow up in the royal family to give perspective. Yet the future pharaoh still showed no compassion to your people and denied you even when you showed your power, well maybe you'd lose all your patience as well.

>>53965678
Less "I'm going to cast this" and more "God has told me to do this, and if I don't he's probably going to smite me and get someone else to do it fuck"

Exodus god was kind of a dick.

>>53965678
Don't forget the part where God basically made the Pharaoh stubborn and not free the slaves

>>53965634

its been built for the archenemy bolas deck because it effects all opponents on the field and not just one.

so it surpasses fireball for damage when cast for 3 mana because of 3 damage to 3 people so long as you're playing the boss-card game

>>53965852
I'm sorry, Anon, I don't speak moon-runes. What's it say?

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>>53965397
Aura control?

>>53965635
it is absolutely not as good as Exsanguinate.

>>53965678
considering almost none of it actually happened, at least not like that in the least, Moses.

especialy since Egypt didn't ya know.. have slaves.

>>53965328
How is this not a mythic?

>>53966471
because its a bad fireball 99% of the time, and fireballs are almost never mythics.

it sure is a flavorfull fireball, but a fireball it is.

>>53965842
Not in the Joseph Smith translation

>>53965383
This is pretty good for a common.

>>53966492
Can Fireball make people discard cards or sac permanents?

>>53966644
but you can't make them do anything, they'll do exactly whats best for them.

also this just means this card will be unable to kill in many situations and your opponent (especially if they know about this in your deck) can just hold on to a bunch of lands.

an UNRELIABLE Fireball, jeez.

>>53966290

I don't speak moon-runes either, but I think the whole comic is about Nicol Bolas being completely clueless about the new rules, colorless symbols and whatnot, due having been away for so long, and him going "What the heck happened while I was away?" as he checks manuals.

>>53965397
>Like a carpet unrolling for their God
What awkward phrasing

>>53965678
No. The Pharaoh is the bad guy.

>>53965852
wat

>>53965328
I'd play this because your either gonna get some serious value out of this no matter what the shit since you are gonna sit on this as a finisher.
at 5 mana and up this gets absolutely stupid, since by that point your opponent likely won't have that many cards in hand other then trump cards to bail themselves out of whatever other garbage is going on and eating 9 or more damage for 5 and up mana is pretty damn good, or they can grit their teeth and feed permanents to it but i doubt they would like that very much and it could completely screw what they were trying to do.

now normally i dislike choice cards but this one is fairly decent for one of them, if life loss was a 1 life per repeated process it would be garbo but 3 each can lead to nasty stuff.

>>53966683
It's nonland permanents you mouthbreather

>>53965494
>Jacetice League plays with the big boys
>gets BTFO

like pottery

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>>53965852
>Satanic vertigrams

>>53966925
Pretty sure he meant lands in hand, but even then that requires them to have lands in hand without having missed land drops, or purposefully denied themselves resources just so they might not lose to you casting it for 4.

>>53966787

Yeah, second panel is the one guy talking about gaining Energy and his response is "E-Energy?!"

>>53966997
To be fair Bolas-senpai, that was just about my reaction to it too.

>>53966853
literally invert the clauses and it sounds much better, right now it's like intentionally awkward

>>53965678
God told Moses to warn Pharoah that he must release the slaves or suffer the plagues, so it's more of God who is the dick by telling a guy he needs to give his half brother the choice between a rock and hard place.

>>53966787
Wouldn't it be more appropriate if Nicol Bolas was replaced with Nahiri or Ugin? Ugin was having a nap in the hedrons and Nahiri was stuck in a demon rock for even longer. Bolas was still around.

>>53966918
Remorseless Punishment didn't see play, and that was a 3BB "Lose 5 life unless a creature or planeswalker is sac'd or they discard two cards. Then choose again."

>>53967581
And it'll still be in standard with the Torments for a few months!
I wonder how well throwing four of all of them into the same deck would work?

>>53967661
>agro will ever die because of vehicals
atleast we are seeing mardu decks side board in 6 drops, so there might be hope to playing a game till turn 6

>>53965454
It used to be a keyworded action, but they cut it and just kept a handful of cards that use it.

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>>53965852
I don't know a thing about Japanese, but I've read enough manga to know Japanese comedy.

>>53966442
He literally wrote that Exsanguinate is better.

>>53965383
Nice pauper card tho

>>53968080
>return of bolas reading

Fucking Japs are more based than Wizards.

>>53965383
limited = black control/midrange now

if it was 1BB and rare it would be (along with push) the staple removal of standard too

>>53968080
>Frontier
Oh Bolas you joker.

>>53966465
That is one of the most retarded and false assertions i have ever seen. Please, repeat it in arguments so that people can laugh at fedoras

HAHA REMEMBER WHEN WIZARDS SAID THAT THIS SET WAS GOING TO HAVE BETTER ANSWERS IN IT THAN PREVIOUS SETS BECAUSE THEY AGREED THAT STANDARD HASN'T HAD GOOD ANSWERS FOR THE LONGEST TIME?

HAHA YEAH LOL THAT WAS A GOOD ONE

>>53968533

They didn't say that, they said they were adding in answers in response to feedback. And from what we've seen in Ixalan, they are.

>>53968416

Frontier is presumably still a thing in Japan in the small shops were it started in the first.

>>53968575
>And from what we've seen in Ixalan, they are.
What we've seen in Ixilan is a card that appears to be a one card infinite combo, another fucking Gatewatch planeswalker, and meme tier LE EPIC PIRATES AND DINOSAURS shit. Name one fucking answer spell in the set because I ain't seen any.

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>>53965678
Why didn't the pharaoh put the slaves in the line of fire of the plagues and tell moses that if he keeps it up, he will have no people left to save?

am i bad at magic or is torment of hailfire and torment of scarabs incredibly good

>>53968533
You know we still have like half the set to see, right?

>>53969478
Hailfire is pretty darn nice, venom is just a little too expensive for standard, but I wouldn't feel bad about picking it first or second in a draft.

>>53969324
Because God is the one controlling the plagues lol. How's Pharaoh gonna put the slaves in the line of fire of shit he has no control over?

Pharaoh was a fuckboy.

>Probably won't get a rare/mythic sandwurm
>Probably won't get a good sandwurm
>Probably won't get another sandwurm, period
this sucks

>>53968774

Maybe if you actually looked at the cards instead of spouting memes you might be able to find them.

>>53968774
>wanting the removal to be mythic/rare
Come on now, the removal will still be 5 bucks when it's an uncommon.

>>53969324
Because Exodus is an allegorical re-telling of the Jewish/Canaanite revolt against Egyptian colonialism.

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>>53968533
This set has tons of answers what are you talking about

>>53969599
We need more Dune fans and fewer cat lovers working at WotC.

>>53969599
>20/20 vanilla sandwurm will never be real

>>53969599
>Definitely won't get a mythic 20/20 vanilla sandwurm, because the vanilla mythic is an Un-card
Suffering.

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>>53965328
>wotc can't call it Torment of Hellfire since hell is a bad word that would scare little kids

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>>53969696
>>53969693
I wanted that fake to be real so badly, but i knew it wasn't.

>>53969683
the cat shit's fine mostly, but i want more wurms
i also want wurms to be green's iconic instead of hydras because hydras have the "heads multiplying" gimmick tying them down mechanically most of the time

>>53969700

We just got Akoum Hellkite in BfZ

>>53969700
Bolas isn't a demon though, so hellfire wouldn't make sense. Sounds like you just want to be offended, anon.

>>53969700
Well at least they managed to offend one person.

>>53969745
They tried Wurms, and a bunch of other things, but it didn't stick. Wurms in part because they get used at uncommon so damn often, and in part they're either just dragons without limbs or just worms with a U Don't get me wrong, I love wurms too.
Hydras DO fit as a green thing, and they've finally started not making them all about headgrowing which is good. Unfortunately, since they printed so many that were about headgrowing, people bitch about it when they aren't growing heads now despite the fact that they can mess with other aspects of them.
Hydras are cool, wurms are cool, we need more of both. Maybe a hydra wurm, too. Oh wait we got one of those, they just didn't give it those types

>>53966465
Is this a "brown people can't own slaves" post, or an "I'm so athiest, look how stupid we are lmao xdxd" post?

>>53969478
They're both good and, more importantly, they're fun

>>53970201
not sure what the other anon is referring to but most of the people commonly thought to have been slaves in ancient egypt were actually religious servants. the pyramids were not built by slaves, rather pious individuals.

amonkhet actually kind of nails this. sure the people are being LIED to, but they aren't being forced to do anything.

>>53969693
>>53969696
Fuck that, we might get a 20/20 mythical Dinosaur. FUCK FAGGY SANDWORMS

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>>53969860
this

>>53970251
Most of what I have read of the Old Testament says otherwise (not that either Testament is really valid as a historical source). Some editions will call them indentured servants as a way to make Christians feel better about YHWH sanctioning slavery, but never have I heard them refered to as free but pious individuals. Do you have a source?

>>53965634

Even in EDH, you'd be surprised at how effective this can be. I'm not saying it should be slotted into every EDH deck with black mana, but it's a way for mono black to potentially chew through artifacts and enchantments or hit their life total more efficiently than a 1:1 ratio. It'll be played, but I don't think it'll be a sure fire staple.

>>53969806
>Bolas isn't a demon though, so hellfire wouldn't make sense.

Anon, did you forget that he's a planeswalker? Like you, the player? Who can cast any number of demon related spells?

>>53966465
Egypt had slaves, but the pyramids weren't built by them.

>>53970251
>>53970409
it's more fun to take the story as an allegory for Judaism asserting its dominance over Egyptian theology by saying my god can beat your gods

but I'm sure we're just gonna nitpick and argue over something nobody has any true sources over for 200+ posts

>>53970409
>Most of what I have read of the Old Testament says otherwise (not that either Testament is really valid as a historical source)
Then... why did you bring it up?
It's not like the Jews worked on the pyramids or anything. Neither Testament mentions that.
>Some editions will call them indentured servants as a way to make Christians feel better about YHWH sanctioning slavery, but never have I heard them refered to as free but pious individuals.
Wait, are you saying that YHWH instructed the ISRAELITES to build the pyramids? Are you a Mormon or something? What the fuck is going on?

So is this the Heroes lose, plane is fucked block that'll be revisited in 7 years?

>>53970674
That's actually pretty spot on, YHWH was definitely a war god who was jealous of the power of other tribal gods. I like the fact that they are taking an Eqypt vs Jews take as far as their setup for the Amohnkey god

>>53970618
I just don't understand why they wouldn't use slaves if they had them. Slaves were used in every culture that had them to build infrastructure/monuments, why would Eqypt not follow suit?

>>53970710
Yes. After 3 block of the heroes win, plane is fucked block.

>>53970892
Good. Mirrodin was pretty tragic but the Gatewatch are so dull it's nice to see their shit get kicked in.

>>53970593
OK.
He's a dragon, not a demon.
Also hellrider was in innistrad and had been reprinted since.
Stop looking for reasons to be mad and just live life to the fullest. It will improve your draws by 20%.

>>53970710
post-apocalyptical egyptian theme setting sure.
The demons outside the city looked like nice people at least

>>53970674
I'm pretty sure that's the case, each plague being a symbolic defeat of a major Egyptian god.
It's basically like a teenager doing a webcomic about how he totally kicked his bully ass, nothing personal.

>>53965328
from the thumbnail it looks like he has a boner

>>53970862
>I just don't understand why they wouldn't use slaves if they had them
Perhaps your understanding of what slaves are is wrong then. If you think they were the cruelly treated niggers you've seen in the media that are whipped nonstop for their entire lives, then just stop.

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>all this Bolas

Man, where the fuck is Tetsuo Umezawa when you need his ass? Because I'm pretty sure he's the only guy in canon who's actually come out on top when tangling with Bolas.

>>53970682
I was making a comment about how Christians are quick to change the wording of "slavery" to "indentured servents" to suit their sensibilities and internal conception of god. I see how, because of my wording, that could be taken as an implication that YHWH sanctioned and commanded the slaves to work on the pyramids. I was not implying that, you are quite mistaken. Let me rephrase to clarify my thought:
>never have I heard slaves (them) refered to as free but pious individuals
Still waiting on a source from anyone that slaves wouldn't play a part in societal construction, especially in the fucking bronze age. It's not really a leap to assume Eqypt used it's resources (slaves, ect.) to build. Also what is mormanism to this conversation exactly? Didn't really get what you were implying

>>53970710
I really am tired of them writing the same fucking story every set.
>Gatewatch goes somewhere, falls in love with the native culture and world
>All of a sudden giant world-ending apocalypse scenario
>"We did it Jace! We saved the plane!" as bodies burn in what used to be streets
>rinse and repeat

>>53970710
>implying Bolas isn't the true hero

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>>53971421
>common

>>53971447
>I see how, because of my wording, that could be taken as an implication that YHWH sanctioned and commanded the slaves to work on the pyramids.
Yeah, in context with the post you were replying to, that's exactly what I thought you were saying.
Mormons believe a whole lot of cooky shit when it comes to religion (for example, that Christ visited the Americas after His crucifixion and palled around with a bunch of Native Americans) so I was just screwing around there

>>53971605
That's not common, that's three you fool. Whatever the hell that means.

>>53971576

The Gatewatch didn't fall in love with the native culture and world in Innistrad or Amonkhet, and Khaladesh didn't feature an apocalyptic scenario.

>>53971576

Eh. The events of SoI/EM and Amonkhet would have pretty much happened without the Gatewatch being there. SoI was caused by Nahiri, and in Amonkhet they arrived a few days before Bolas's plan was to be completed anyways. Hell, the only place they actually set out to save was Zendikar. In Shadows Jace is looking for Sorin, Kaladesh they only reason they ended up there is because Dovin wanted to hire them, and Amonkhet they actually went there specifically to fight Bolas.

>>53971679
White boi had a thing for that commander chick, Liliana loves the fuck out of Innistrad, and you and I have very different perspectives of apocalyptic. Kaladesh would be better off like Zendikar, at least they're not under tyrannical rule.

>>53971105
>Implying I my understanding of History is from channel 37
I know what slaves are you mongoloid, they are owned people used for tasks, often the lower levels of labor. Every society and culture has different rules regarding their treatment, but yes throughout history slaves are generally considered subhuman and put to work, exactly like American slaves. Do you honestly think any slaves won through war would be treated as well as free peoples? Have you no understanding of the long history surrounding slavery? Look at the long history of the trans-saharan slave trade as an example if you have trouble finding a starting point. Of course they used slaves to some degree, you think they just had a large, under paid mexican workforce ready to build the pyramids for pennies on the dollar? Think before you type you fuckup

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How costly is it typically to build a memedeck? I want to make fun stupid shit like RNG based red or stalemate "wincon" stuff, but I just wasted my splurge fund in Vegas.

>>53965842
This relevation is what started me on the path to drop Christianity. That and Job being fucked pretty hard by God.
Yet the church itself modern day is nice enough that I wont go fedoratipper.

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>>53971421
>Legendary Human Archer > Planeswalker Elder Dragon.

>>53971912

He didn't just beat Bolas, he rekt the motherfucker hard enough that he hasn't come back to Madara for revenge yet.

>>53971912
>EMIYA soloing Bolas.

>>53969654

holy shit how will standard ever recover

>>53966644
>Can Fireball make people discard cards or sac permanents?
>make
No and neither can this piece of shit.

>>53972243
>inb4 standard ban

>>53972412
Being literate is no reason to lie, Anon.

>>53972604
Illiterate*

>>53971712
civil war is not apocalypse anon, calm down

>>53972604
>key word being make
It's a choice, same with people blowing their load over Vexing Devil in Innistrad where they thought it was going to be a T1 4/3 when in reality it only stays on the board if the opponent can deal with it, making it a Sorcery speed slightly better Bolt that works 90% of the time.

>>53972604
Read the fucking card again. It doesn't MAKE the opponent sac or discard anything. They can CHOOSE to sac or discard cards if that would be the most beneficial outcome for them.

The effect of the spell is always the worst possible outcome because the opponent is the one making the decisions that are most beneficial to him.

When you need the card to be a fireball to lifedrain for the win, it doesn't. When you need to remove a high threat permanent, it doesn't. When you need to drain their hand, it doesn't. No matter the scenario, Torment of Hailfire is never the answer because its effect will always resolve to your worst possible outcome.

Why do you scrubs keep falling for this trap? It's not the first time that they've done this.

>>53971576
I think this has happened literally one time, just now with Amonkhet. Great fucking job.

>>53972792
>grr how dare these people keep the aether in reserves so society doesn't collapse fuck drumpf #resist
Can't wait til Return to Kaladesh where it collapses like socialist Venezuela

>>53971712
>you and I have very different perspectives of apocalyptic
yeah, yours is wrong

>>53972780
IT is a ridiculous late game card in general as repeating the effect 4-6 times could win the game.

All of its effects are good.

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>>53965328
So if you insidious will Torment of Hailfire do you get to choose the effects?

>>53973692

It's strictly worse than Exsanguinate as a late game card in the one format that cares about it.

>>53972780
It wouldn't be too hard to force people to chose.
3 cards in hand and no permanents on the field? Ok, you can dump your hand or lose 15 life.
Empty (or low) hand? Start saccing permanents or lose a ton of life.
>>53973749
Obviously not.

>>53973749
no, why on earth would you

>>53973796
>>53973784

Yeah I realized that it would just turn it back on the player and then redo the effect.

I was thinking if they paid like 4 mana for x choose four targets and insidious will it so you can choose 4 targets.

But the initial target for the spell was the player to begin with.

>>53973891
You COULD just copy it, basically forcing them to make the choices you want.

>>53973891
yes

>>53972780
This is a fact, I agree with your statement, it's basically Killing Wave 2.0.

That being said, in certain situations, any outcome is beneficial. Waste Not + Mazirek means you're taking the damage as life. Wound Reflection means you're not taking the life damage. It can be good, but is build around and requires finesse.

>>53973770
thing is this is in standard and is going to be like a $10 card as black never had this kind of removal before being that it can potentially target enchantments.

But yeah, if you are losing bad this can't save you but it can definitely ensure a victory if you are already doing well.

>>53970862
Egypt had an overpopulation problem. The Nile flood plains were so regular and fertile that they could easily support far more people than they had full-time labor for. During the harvest every hand was useful, but the rest of the year those hands were idle. The pyramids were a labor sink to keep those workers employed and occupied in the off-season.

>>53971421
Didn't Ajani at least scare him off too?

>>53974073

Scare him off? Sure. Umezawa blew up his physical manifestation then lobotomized him before finishing him off spiritually. I think this was back when he was an old walker too iirc.

>>53974105

Did they time travel or something?

If I remember correctly he somehow returns, and kills like a spirit version of himself on zendikar and then Ajani time travels and prevents it.

>>53974162
he came back using Venser's spark, which is special.

and no, AJani's shit happened on Alara, where Ajani casts clone on Bolas and has the clone fight Bolas (using the Conflux mana)

>>53974162

Umezawa goes and hides out on a demiplane connected to Domina, the plane of meditation. Bolas is pissed that he can't find him. Eventually he pops up and kills Ramses Underdark, then vanishes into the demiplane right in front of Bolas. Bolas figures out how to follow him by bringing his physical manifestation into Dominaria then projecting his mind into the demiplane.

Then the giant spell hits the temple and kills Bolas's body while Tetsuo takes him out on the plane of meditation. After lobotomizing him he shatters him and basically drives his presence from the plane.

>>53974319
How did Bolas survive that? Because a lobotomy and death of your body sounds like something even an Oldwalker couldn't bullshit their way past.

>>53974390

I don't think he had 100% of his essence on the plane. He was basically pulling an Eldrazi, but I could be misunderstanding.

>>53974390
he didn't, a bit of his mana lingered and Venser's mutated spark allowed him to effectively pull himself from the aether.

and the "death of your body" is rather meaningless for oldwalkers, they were essentially living mana, pulling energy directly out of the blind eternities to fuel their godliness.

which is one of the things that caused so much damage to the multiverse, and why Jeska,when she acheived ultimate power and became the strongest single being in the multiverse, took away Planeswalkers powers

>>53971576

That doesn't describe any of the last four blocks accurately.

>BFZ/OGW: The gatewatch meets and teams up on Zendikar, partially because everyone on the Gatewatch except Gideon is partially to blame for Zendikar getting fucked in the first place and they wish to unfuck it. By some miracle, they manage to channel-fireball the Eldrazi and prevent Zendikar from being annihilated completely.
>The SOI plot basically happens completely independently of the Gatewatch; Jace stumbles around the plane and nearly dies and goes insane while Sorin and Nahiri drive the entirety of the plotline. Jace just happens to be there when Emrakul emerges and calls his buds for help. They lose to Emmy but she forces them to seal her in the moon instead of consuming the plane for unknown reasons.
>Chandra gets a reminder of Kaladesh from Baan visiting a couple months later, and Liliana talks her into going to see what's up there even though she thinks her parents are dead. As it turns out, her mom is not, so when the rest of the team goes to get her, Chandra's not going anywhere and they agree to help when it becomes clear part of the problem is Tezzeret meddling in the plane's politics. A fairly bloodless revolt ensues, but carnage is avoided and the gatewatch, lulled into a false sense of security, pursues Tezzeret to Amonkhet.
>They arrive on Amonkhet, feeling a sense of unease that things aren't what they expected. Gideon has trouble reconciling the benign gods with what he's heard about Bolas while the others look for clues but get captured. Then Bolas shows up and things go south FAST.

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>>53976366

Consider Umezawa. Always take into account Umezawa. I won't rest until the writers talk about "Legacy 2" like it didn't mean something.

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>>53965776
Excuse me sir, you dropped pic related. but in all honesty it's all a matter of faith and I understand that you don't believe the bible but still

also to answer >>53965678's question it would be yes if it weren't for context.

The Israelites moved to Egypt long before Moses all thanks to Joseph, who saved Egypt from a famine and brought his entire family to him. Now, at the beginning of this time of the Israelites (or Jacob and his family, but Jacob already had his name changed to Israel) dwelling in Egypt, there weren't a lot of these new folk running around. It was like 90% Egyptians and 10% Israelites or something like that. However, the Israelites slowly began to outnumber the Egyptians, so what does the new pharaoh (who forgot about Joseph saving Egypt long ago) do? He kills all of the young boys and makes the children of Israel slaves so they won't bother them any more...

That would've been the case if it weren't for one mother sending her son (Moses) down the Luxa Nile and winding up in the pharaoh's palace thing. So, to make a long explanation less longer, Moses becomes a prophet after running away and tries to convince the pharaoh to let his people go. Now, at this point the pharaoh doesn't know this man or his godly power (AKA the priesthood), so he waves him off. Moses then turns his staff into a snake and eats the pharaoh's magician's snakes. But, the pharaoh hardens his heart (it says in the bible that the lord hardens the pharaoh's heart but being one of the 10 mormons on 4chan I believe a more accurate translation is that the pharaoh hardens is heart. InB4 "oooooh you retconned the bible" yes I know again faith) and refuses to let the Israelites go. So, Moses then starts the plagues of Egypt, and the plagues of Egypt are justified because of one stiff-necked man.

>>53976448
Umezawa's been dead for centuries. And one of the first things Bolas said he was doing once he was doing again was murdering every Umezawa on both Dominaria and Kamigawa, and that was prior to the Mending hitting.

>>53977317

Right. So it's the perfect setup, story-wise, to have a new Umezawa face off against Bolas. David v Goliath.

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>>53969700
Djeru calls Gideon a bastard in the story where Gideon saves Djeru's life

>>53977385
We're not at the pre-Mending, we're sixty years past that.
This is something Bolas already did.
And it definitely wasn't on Amonkhet.
Now, something like the plot of Dominaria involving the last Umezawa descendents he missed somehow? Might be neat. But then you get Bolas YET AGAIN three sets after Hour.

>>53977482

Yeah, but if you're looking for a good story after Bolas whips Gatewatch's ass in a serious fashion, and then goes for a victory lap to rain down fire on the last Umezawas, then that's your story. From victory to defeat, not thanks to fancy ass planeswalkers with deep power to tap into, but thanks to the courage and honor of a single family of humans.

>>53977387
Well now he knows everything he trained for is a lie, :) and then he dies anyways :D

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>>53971421
>>53971942
>>53971979
>gone are the days where we have awesome legendary side characters powerful enough to go toe to toe with old walkers.

>>53977285
Ah, I see.

>>53979069
Yup because everyone just knows Ulrich,Djeru,Thalia and Drana could tear Bolas a new one

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WHY WILL NO WHERE FUCKING STOCK THIS THING SO I CAN PRE-ORDER IT?! EVEN EBAY DOESN'T HAVE ANY.

Seriously what the fuck? You can find every masterpiece somewhere for sale except this one. CK, SCG, ebay, nobody will fucking stock this one in particular. It makes no god damn sense.

>>53981224
magic cardmarket eu has 'em

>>53981349
>TFW Amerifat
>TFW they want 56 cheeseburgers
Fuck

>>53968533
They were talking about Ixalan m8

>>53971942
>Comes backo Madara
>last card in the set revealed is Umezawa reking Bolas
>it has UBBR: Exile target legendary or planeswalker

>>53973986
E D H
D
H

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>>53971421
You used wrong image for proxy

>>53965635
>>53966442
uh

having played monoblack a ton, i'd say this card is about 1.5x better than exsanguinate in casual edh

when it comes down to it, exsanguinate either kills players or it doesnt. and it requires a ton of mana to kill anyone. other than that, it doesn't affect the board at all, so in a lot of cases it'll only delay your defeat a couple of turns because you just committed a political suicide.

meanwhile, torment of hailfire will fuck up boards, hands and so on. obviously, there are situations where it's not going to do much, like if someone has a ton of tokens, but it's very much a "20 mana win game" which is very useful in monoblack where you have mana coming out of your ass

Is anyone else pleasantly surprised by the set so far?
We got actual fucking walker removal and it's great.

>>53965328
Can someone clarify the wording of this for me?

It says Repeat X times, meaning that in a pinch you can cast it for just BB and it will still force them to choose between 3 life and a card, right?

>>53984455
No, if x=0 you do the procedure 0 times

>>53984455
Repeat the following process 0 times:

>>53984455
>>53984525
>>53984539
An old joke goes roughly as follows:
"Stop being a smartass! Do I have to repeat myself again?"
- "Repeating yourself again means you have repeated yourself before; you have to repeat yourself or say it again."

From a linguistic perspective, it's a perfectly valid reasoning to cast it for X = 0, perform the action, then repeat it zero times. From a rules perspective, I'm certain they simply mean "perform the following process X times, one after another", though.

>>53986083
Yes, otherwise the wording used is "Do x. Then repeat this Y times.'

>>53986083
It's kinda funny. They should've just said "do" or "perform this action X times." It would be perfectly clear if they hadn't said "repeat." It looks like R&D kinda beefed it unless they really did intend casting it for 0 to equal 1 runthrough, which I also doubt.

>>53986182
It's not the most patheitc thing they've done.

>>53986083
>>53986182
We won't know for sure until the judge notes are sent out, but, I think if they intended it to be repeated X+1 times, it would say

>Each opponent blah blah.
>Then, repeat this process X times.

However, MtG grammar has been changing in recent years, so I could be completely wrong. We will know for sure in the coming weeks.

>>53986323

Maro already said on his blog it's X times, not X+1 times.

>>53986575
Ah, I'll have to search Blogatog then. Does he explain why they worded it the way that they did? It seems like there must be a better and less confusing way to word it.

>>53986662

Nah, he doesn't explain it, just agrees that the wording could be clearer.

>>53986662
Card templating, like certain legal systems, tends to be based heavily on precedent.

They have a number of cards that read "Do [action]. Repeat this process N times."

Then it comes time for a card that only does that action X times. They could have you do it once, then repeat it X-1 times, but they're used to seeing "Repeat this process N times" as referring to N iterations of the process.

>>53987345
in this instance it's actually more appropriate to compare to programming. it's the difference between a do and a while loop. in most templates it's <do stuff> then repeat this process some number of times. this is finctionally a do loop, first you perform the action, tuen you check if it should loop or not.

torment of hailfire says repeat the following x times: <the following>. this is effectively a while loop, where the program checks if it should loop, and if yes performs the looped procedure.

>>53965328
Wait, could this work as a finisher in rax decks? The opponent shouldn't have cards in hand in the first place, so the choice is between "wipe your board" (wich should be pretty clear thanks to LotV) or "take the last points of damage"

>>53965328

This is only good in midgame or control decks. In a B/G deck with some hardcore early game ramp you'd basically force a board/hand wipe.

>>53988628

>Cryptolith rite
>Collected company
>Pop Torment of Hailfire

Wew. That's a game winner.

Do you think a Gremlins Aggro-Combo is viable in the current meta?

>>53989182
>in response, negate
>I untap, draw, fumigate?
nothing personnel, kid

>>53993060

Threats and answers. Fumigate is a neat answer, so is negate, but that's either aggro-control or midgame with how you're talking.

Some Brazilians apparently stole HoU boosters from their local store today, so more spoilers might be coming out soon.

>>53965678
Why did ramses son have a aristocratic British accent?

>>53969654
>when fucking shock is the best red removal in standard

>>53993753

I think you meant fling.

>>53970251
They didn't build the pyramids with slaves. Slaves may have dug out some of the foundations, the rest was left to skilled craftsmen. Yes, Egypt had that many craftsmen.

>>53993060
>topdeck into ishkanah
>make sure my next draw is also a perfect response to you.
see I can make up a perfect counter scenario too, that was hard.

>>53969324
Well more than once Pharaoh was going to just let the slaves go, but then "God hardened Pharoah's heart" so he changes his mind. God straight up tells Moses he is doing this so he can give a demonstration of his might at one point IIRC.

>>53995240
>Pharaoh willing to let slaves go
>God sticks his hands in and forces Pharaoh to say no
>This happens multiple times
>God then punishes the Pharaoh for not doing the thing God repeatedly forced him to not do

>People worship this God as a kind and good being of justice.

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WoTC, come on now, we all know this is a bolt invocation, just give it to me already

>>53995274
>Implying this isn't par for the course for that guy

>ABRAHAM
>HEY ABRAHAM, I GOT A GREAT IDEA..


I mean at least he's willing to give Abe directions.

>>53995286
All the invos have been spoiled so we don't know what that is.

>>53993963
>Wasting Fling and a creature on a creature
>Not using it to give Flying, Hexproof and Unblockable to your Electrostatic Pummeler

>>53995504
>Rhonas's Last Strike
>RR
>Instant
>deal 3 damage to target creature and target player
>lands you control don't untap during your next untap phase

>>53981224
probs waiting to see the market demand. If it can spike a GP like master of waves did. SCG was kicking themselves for setting the preorder at 8 bucks when it shot to 21 the week after.

>>53971811
It's funny, because Job is my favorite book of the Bible and actually tends to be my go-to book whenever I do feel a minor crisis of faith, as all folks have.

>>53965842
“For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: ‘I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.’ Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden.”

>>53996273
>and He hardens whom He wants to harden.

>God gives humans free will but then takes away their free will whenever he wants

God, Christcucks really are retarded, even the last few blocks have been more cohesive than the crummy turd of plotholes called "The Bible"

>>53996273
>when you're so cucked by your religion that Job is the book you return to during a crisis of faith

>>53996368
It's a collection of hundreds of stories from hundreds of writers collected over thousands of years, translated, edited and retranslated by an unknown number of people with different ideas and agendas.

Do you honestly expect any sort of coherency from this?

>>53996380
I'm sorry you're unable to grasp your own limitations and fear the unknown.

>>53996368
Nothing you said was not cohesive or a 'plothole.'

>>53995861
It's pissing me off, I just want to pre-order my shit and be done with it.

>>53997665
Whilst your counterargument is true, it completely bypasses his main argument, that God apparently takes away free will whenever he wants.

>>53965328
Passable but not good limited bomb, gives the opponent too many options to resolve. Will only see play in draft, and won't break $0.50 on secondary market.

>>53971942
Bolas did the pissy route and bullied Night's Reach instead.

>>53997699
Yes, and?

Nice dubs.

>>53973891
The spell has no target

>>53995530
Did you mean Hazoret instead or something?

>>53995530
It's lightning strike at uncommon.

>>53977285
There isn't even any archaeological evidence that the ancient hebrews were ever in Egypt to begin with. Even the more plausible parts of the story didn't happen.

>>53965634

>late game
>six cards in hand

wut

>>53983775
>Casual edh
Lol into the trash it goes.

>>53968080
Second Last Panel is about scrying after mulliganing and in the last panel he is muttering 'There's even cars/vehicles now...', nothing about Frontier sadly

Everything else is pretty much spot on

>>53995530
I don't think it'll be a last stand for Hazoret because all the last stands have the god caster on it.

>>53997825
Is this a thing?

>>53965328
https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/879013330509320192
Hours of Anal Devastation

>>53999518
Hahaha, oh wow.

>>53999518
I like how saying you "support" ~10% of the population nets you praise. They're in Seattle, it's not like gays are getting stoned to death in the streets. Who gives a fuck if you endorse faggots playing your pretend to be wizards with cardboard game?

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>>54001130
I don't mind, as long as you make me feel included as well. Kekistani people are struggling as it is and everyone is afraid to support our people.

in truth, i don't care until they shoe-horn it into their products where it doesn't belong. it's bad writing.

>>54001312
Taro does the whole "I put random homos into my stuff" thing pretty well, wish WotC cribbed a bit from him.

>>53974162
I'm not sure if you're trolling, but Nicol bolas came back during the mending posing as a spirit to venser. Convincing him that he's a cool guy, venser helps rez him, which he then decimates tefiri and fucks off to kill the myojin of nights reach and returns in time to fuck up Leschrec at the climax of the novel in a epic planechase battle.

Protip: Nicol bolas used the name Master Ryu because why not?

>>53977387
We have no idea wether gideon is a bastard or not.

>>53995286
> lightning bolt at rare rarity

YES

>>54003148
don't play with me anon

>>53966465
I am pretty dam sure they had slaves. I think the misconception comes because they did not use them on most pyramids.

>>53995286
What if it's chain lightning?

>>54005666

They just had Chain Lighting in the Amonkhet invocations.

>>54005822
But that art isn't from an invocation, is it?

Question about Supreme Will. Dose the opponent have to counter the spell before I choose which effect i want?

>>54001130
It's way way less than 10%. According to Gallup polling around 3.5% of the population answers "yes" when asked if they identify as "lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender"

I wish I could find data that actually breaks down who identifies as what, from other sources I've seen that transgendered individuals are less than. 0.3% of the population. Given that women are much more likely (and culturally accepted in america) than men to report being bicurious or bisexual, I'd assume it's less than 2% remaining gay and lesbian.

In any event, a tiny tiny minority of the population. Which makes the whole "did you just assume my gender" and pronoun tiptoeing nonsense even more puzzling.

9% of the US is diabetic and 19% are disabled, for some comparisons. Imagine how absurd it would be to be chided for assuming someone is able bodied or has a functioning pancreas, despite it being many times more likely that they actually do have a problem.

Who here hyped for Lightnin' Bolt (not same as Lightning Bolt)? R. deal 3 damage to creature or player, printed at mythic

>>54006293
No, you choose first.
You choose the modal as part of casting the spell.

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Why can't spoilers release all at once? I just want to brew already.

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>>53965328
I just don't care, really. This entire set is supposed to be about Bolas devastating a plane and I could not even begin to give a shit. It was a plane meant to be destroyed, and the established characters who "lose" aren't going to die, they're just going to get defeated.

This is not going to have the same impact New Phyrexia did. This is just Bolas fucking around on cosplay Egypt.

I just want to get hype about a set, but now that they're torching blocks completely and we're never going to get a world that feels like a real place that we get to immerse ourselves in. We're not going to care about any planes out from here because we'll have spent maybe five minutes there at most, and they just want to get whatever culture it is plastered up without any thought and move on to the next one.

Fuck what I wouldn't give to see an Alara five hundred years later, after the worlds have intermingled. Or a Zendikar that actually gets some civilizations built up after the roil has calmed the fuck down. Or Kamigawa.

But no, we're just gonna get these cheap, flimsy sets with no personality that I cannot attach myself to, because everything has to be within the lifespan of the Gatewatch, with no progression or change or meaningful focus on any character that isn't a marketing-mandated merch pony.

Yes, just give me a few reprints, something to add to my Modern or Commander deck, and I'll wait it out until the next set. I'll play Prerelease, those are fun.

I miss City of Guilds.

>>53969654
literally just a garbage lightningbolt.

lul

>>54005822
>Modern legal Chain Lightning
Get ready for T0 Burn!

>Lightning Bolt and Open Fire are just Smuggler's Copter and Sky Skiff all over again

>>54011778
Aren't Masterpieces only legal in a format if the normal version of the card is legal in that format? Like non-standard-legal cards getting a masterpiece don't become standard legal

>>54011812
Yes

>>54011812
Yes. >>54005822 said that Chain Lightning was in invocation in Amonkhet, while >>54005666 suggested that it's Chain Lightning in the new set. My post was implying that they printed Chain Lightning as a non-invocation and thus made it Standard (and Modern) legal.

Guys, be real with me.

If WoTC were ever to reprint Lightning Bolt again, would they print that shit at rare?

>>54011852
Try Mythic, lad

>>54011852
>Are they stupid enough to do it?
Yes
>Are they smart enough to predict the uproar it would cause?
I think so

I have enough hope left in them to think they wouldn't do it but I'm preparing myself anyway

>>54012074

I know that everyone, including myself, hates the "muh limited" excuse, but I can honestly see people who only play draft shitting themselves with anger if they printed bolt at common.

A card as powerful as bolt at common would bend the entire limited format around itself.

>>54012209
As a limited player, no i don't mind.

>>54012209
They could just solve that problem by printing it at the same rarity as Fatal Push: uncommon symbol on rare sheet
Then it wouldn't be rare but wouldn't bend limited either

>>54011852
it deserves rare. it is the third most powerful card in the boon cycle, after all.

>>54012269

>uncommon symbol on rare sheet

I thought that was like, a conspiracy theory.

>>53969700
Oh fuck, I didn't even notice the name. Fucking Hailfire? HAILfire?! Are you shitting me?

>>54003075
Gideon's dad is likely Heliod so.

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>>54011852
They're only allowed to reprint Bolt as Mythic if they give me fucking Dark Ritual at Mythic as well

>>54006610
>Imagine how absurd it would be to be chided for assuming someone is able bodied
Yeah.

I basically never presume that people are healthy anymore. Someone always has cancer, some grossly debilitating health condition, divorced, has shitty kids, have some sensitive topic that you can't go on a tirade about, or if they're old enough - had someone die in their family recently. Can't talk about religion with religious people either; it's like they're conditioned to not talk about it. Or they're too weak in their religion to have a discussion about it without presuming you're criticizing them.

And in spite of all that, those are still topics that are breached in everyday discussion. But for some weird reason the smaller the minority the greater the reason we have to tiptoe around them.

>>53969700
>>54012479
I thought it was just a reference to the burning hail god called down when Ramses would let his people go?

>>54012579
Not bad at all
Making Rakdos aggro even stronger when it's already great in limited

>>54012209
It's fine that cards like Bolt, Doom Blade, and recently Fatal Push would be printed at Uncommon so as to not warp the Limited format around those premium cards. I'm certainly in the camp that doesn't want to see Bolt and Doom Blade at Common, the early post-M10 Core Set drafts were somewhat insufferable because of that.

The issue is when they place cards like Hero's Downfall at Rare. Or Cancel variants at Rare.

That's not an issue with Limited but it has implications for Constructed. Those cards should be at Uncommon. A given Uncommon might only show up in a draft once, which is not that big of a deal. But for Constructed, if you put premium removal at Rare, it benefits nobody except drives up the price for those deck staples.

>>54012579
>this in limited
oh god....

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>>54012620
>This plus Nest of Scarabs

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>54012631
you fortunately can't anymore...
with the latest rule change the limited format will not contain anymore the third package from the previous expansion

>>54012631

Oh shit, that's actually pretty legit.

>>54012648

What.

No, it's not a rule change, it's a change to how they're releasing sets.

This is still a small set, the change in how they do sets doesn't happen until after Ixilan block.

>>54012673
uhm, okay. my bad

>>54012386
It's not a conspiracy theory.
Fatal Push is actually rarer than any other Aether Revolt uncommon

>>54012842
I would normally be dismissive of that sort of thing but given Wizards' track record for deceitful faggotry I can't help but decide that that decision was made on purpose.

Most people I would just mark that up as a random fuck-up or necessary concession for printing purposes. But this is Wizards who purposely deprive pre-constructed decks of anything useful. Limiting the supply of Fatal Push is just a bone they're throwing to the secondary market.

>>54012881
$6 dollar uncommon in an extremely recent and heavily printed set
There's no other explanation for it

>>54012842
>>54012881
it's more sought after but it's not rarer than any other aether revolt uncommon.

>>54012927
I'm not talking about buying it as singles
I'm talking about opening it in packs
Buy an AER box and open it, you'll have less Fatal Push than other uncommons

>>54012927
Don't fucking defend Wizards like that. When Aether Revolt came out there were photos from multiple stores showing that the yield of Fatal Pushes was significantly less than every other Uncommon in the set.

One store doing it to justify inflated prices for that card - I could believe that. MULTIPLE stores? Suddenly it's just a sad reality.

It's been shown multiple times with various tokens as well - there are "rare" tokens.

My store - an entire sealed pre-release of 20 people and including prizes only two Fatal Pushes were opened.

>>54012955
It's still not rarer.
There's 62 uncommons in AER. There's 108 uncommons in a box. You will get on average 1-2 Pushes.

>>54012983
On average you'll get 0 Fatal Push
It's like opening a box for a precise rare
>>54012979

>>54012979

Token we always knw, didn't wizard said toekns were proportional to the rarity of the card generarting them?

>>54013009
If the average is 0 then there wouldn't be any Fatal Pushes in circulation. If you want to argue, take off your hate goggles.

>>54013031
That's probably why Emblems are a pain to get
It also explain the cost of original Voice of Resurgence tokens in some way

>>54012983
The sheer fact that you run a solid chance of opening 0-2 copies of an uncommon from a single box not to mention not getting a single useful Rare just gives me all the justification in the world to think it's utterly retarded to open sealed product without drafting it.

They've been shoving down "bad cards must exist" or "it's for Limited" bullshit down our throats for over a decade just to make it fucking impossible to even remotely coming close to building 10% of a constructed deck from opening a single box.

Aether Revolt printed three fucking Hill Giants. I was fucking sick of seeing them in Limited. They build up a shit excuse "for Limited" to design worthless commons nobody wants to play in Limited or Constructed and it helps regulate the rate at which they print new good cards. I understand you can't print Path every year and they've burned through their Doom Blade variants (Ultimate Price and Go For The Throat) but for fucks sake it's gone too far.

>>54013040
>Hate Goggles
lol

You know what I mean. When opening an AER box, you shouldn't expect to have a given mythic, rare or Fatal Push in it

>>54013086
This
You know there's a problem when we are happy getting SHOCK

>>54013086
Arent there supposed to new limited changes in the future so the sets aren't 70% junk only for limited?

>>54013121
Wild Slash was a $5 when it was Standard legal in Canada. Fucking Shock uncommon.

I get it, you don't want Shock in a format with Morph. Completely understandable.

Yunno what you do - you just fucking reprint Shock and stick it at Uncommon. Because it sure as fuck is better than the situation that came about with Wild Slash.

>>54013182
I don't want to be so dismissive of your optimism but Wizards has done absolutely nothing to (significantly) improve the financial situation in their game. Whatever they've announced is just posturing and hollow fucking promises; just like the Masters sets; just like the promise that Mythic rarity adds any value to the game; just like the promise that they knew what they were doing when they changed the rotation and block structure.

They don't know what they're doing. They haven't known what is effective for the past decade; they're marking up record revenues and can't figure out why people are pissed. And all the fucking promises to clean up their act is too fucking late because I've heard those promises before and we got nothing.

And the reason why I'm so hostile to statements like your is because it sounds like the many things die-hard ignorant Magic fans would say to apologize for Wizards god-awful behavior; it's like people who defend their drug dealer.

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>>53999518
Orange, yellow and purple colors confirmed?

>>54013239
No it's completely understandable, Im only now coming back to back after a couple year break so I'm not familiar with all thatcwas changed and then unchanged and I would still consider myself a new player, started with scars block.

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>>54013532
I wish I had an izzet edh deck now

>>54013532
>i cast Refuse on your spell
>in response i cast Refuse on your Refuse
>in response i cast Refuse on your Refuse that targets my Refuse

>>54013562
and then cooperate everything

>>54013593
Well yeah whomever loses the response battle will get cooperated

>>54013646
w8, what happens when you cooperate a cooperate? Also, if you refuse on an empty stack, dose refuse refuse itself?

>>54013716
You can't Refuse an empty stack since you need to target something as you cast it. Cooperating a Cooperate would be pointless as you'd just get the effect of the copied Cooperate.

>>54013716
you can't cast refuse on an empty stack since it needs a target to be cast in the first place.

Cooperating a cooperate gives you a copy of cooperate to cast, basically it's pointless

>Refuse the spell
>then Cooperate it
>after that Disallow it

>>54013532
>More decent aftermath spells
Fuck yes, more shit to discard to Lightning Axes and not lose any card advantage.

>>54012579
Bolasian negator.

>>54013532
>UGx player gen waves for +30
>cast this

Usually people don't even leave mana open to protect the spell because they'll just eat the counterspell then E-witness it back later. This is a nasty surprise when combined with reverberate.

Exanguinate and Blue Sun's Zenith/Stroke of Genius also get fucked.

>>54014222
It doesn't work that way you retard. The converted cost of X is 0.

>>54014250
Actually it's cmc is whatever it's being casted for on the stack.

>>54014250
CMC of X cards as they are cast is equal to the mana spent to cast it

>>54014250
Not while on the stack.

>>54012579
This is pushed as fuck. Yeah sometimes it will dont do shit but other times it will be a sulfuric vortex for 3.

>>54014250
>calling others retarded
>not knowing the rules of a children's card game

>>54012903
Except you know that it's highly sought after as it is the single clearly best removal spell in Standard and has proven to be playable in both Modern and Legacy as well.

>>54014024
Kek

>>54014250

>Retard who doesn't know the rules accusing other people of being retards who don't know the rules

Wouldn't be /tg/ without you.

>>54013532

Would have been playable in Standard/Modern MAYBE if you shaved 1 off each side. Looks like fun but unfortunately Wizard makes fun cards trash for U/R.

>>54013086

Finally someone that gets it! AMEN BROTHER PREACH. Designing for limited first has made constructed cancer, made new players feel bad for spending 45+ on a few draft nights only to find out they actually can't make a playable constructed deck with those stack of cards. Fucking print power commons again.

>>54015303
Trash cards for trash colours

>>54015370

I bet you're a filthy big black card lover, you probably don't even had red removal in your decks scum and you splash green. . . Why does black/green keep getting the good cards ;_; I just want to play a viable RDW or U/R control/combo. . . I-I'm not salty at all JUST LEAVE ME ALONE

>>54015420
I play mono red. You don't know what suffering truly is.

>>54012579
Well this is a fun card.

The fact that it's a Zombie Crocodile Demon is just icing on the cake.

>>54015468
>It doesn't hit Planeswalkers
>For 8 mana
FUCK YOU WOTC

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>>54015439

GIVE ME A GOOD MONORED DECK NOW WIZARDS!

I'M NOT KIDDING AROUND

IF I DON'T GET TO PLAY BURN OR MONO-RED AGGRO SOON I WILL ALLAHU SNACKBAR YOU I SWEAR!

>>54015468

>Set that's basically specifically about a group of Planeswalkers getting blown the fuck out
>This fucking card doesn't hit the card type

Fuck off

>>54015502
>Ignoring the cycle of cards which are specifically about the jacetice league getting rekt

Also it wouldnt match the flavour- its supposed to be "and all amonkhet bowed down as the second sun cometh in grandeur and shit, except these fuckers who came from somewhere else and who dont care because they know its all bolas."

>>54011510
Return to Alara...RIGHT BEFORE PHYREXIANS BLOW IT UP! KABLOW! BOOM!
Post-Eldrazi Zendikar...THEN NICOL BOLAS KILLS EVERYONE! POW! WHAM!

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>>54015556
Fuck flavor. Fuck story. Fuck Gatewatch. Fuck Planeswalkers. This card should hate fucking everything at 8cmc.

>>54015577
I would honestly prefer that to this. If it actually happened in this reality, I'd be livid, because we already had a set of Bolas blowing up a plane, this one right now.

But in an alternate reality, Bolas coming in to just scour Zendikar while they just managed to get a break from the nightmares fucking their planet sideways would actually have some degree of impact.

Yes, this does mean I liked New Phyexia. Sue me.

>>54015556
That cycle of cards is unplayable shit and you know it.

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>>54015468
>Standard legal Humility.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>54015657

>8 mana card
>No reliable way of cheating it out
>Playable

>>54011510
This isn't D&D. You're not gonna get a world with functioning societies and minutia to discover in all the nooks and crannies because this isn't Waterdeep or something. It wasn't meant to be. And outside of the artbooks or a D&D campaign module built on it, you aren't gonna get those details.

Go play D&D if you want that kind of depth for your roleplaying, but in Magic the story isn't about you and it never was. Ravnica is a complex place indeed, but it's an exception among many other settings. We visit planes during times of conflict and upheaval. We don't visit when nothing's happening and we just explore the world, because this game is about conflict.

Once again, go play some tabletop and explore those ideas there. That's perfectly fine. But expecting that to be the focus of the card game is folly.

>>54015468
>Curse of Misfortunes
>Curse of Death's Hold
>Overwhelming Splendor

You now have a self-assembling creature lock-out.

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>>54015468

We're doing this shit.

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>>54015801
Did someone say Flash Witch?

>>54013312
all of a sudden I dont feel bad for only playing with proxies and torrenting dnd books

>>54015824
What is that art even?

>>54015876

Mirage block is a hell of a drug

>>54015695
"Conflict and upheaval" is different from "ultimate ruination." Compare, say, Ice Age and Alliances: there you had an ongoing ethnic/regional conflict, exploration of an unknown world, and conspiracies going on in the background; then a gradual climate change upending the power balance and changing cultures and geography, but not fundamentally destroying the character of the setting.

The recent model has been Interesting New Setting--->Big Villain Makes It BIG VILLAIN WORLD! Khans was the worst, because the clans provided a ready source of conflict that just got tossed aside for DRAGOOOONNSS! Amonkhet just feels pointless, because it was clear immediately that all the worldbuilding was going to end with "then Bolas kills everyone."

>>54015902
>Zombie Guildmage

I like it. Not too strong, not too weak. If I'm already drafting BW Xombies, is take it in the second or third pack.

>>54015902

Oof, a near miss, would've been legit if it hit attacking and blocking zombies.

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Card filtering now, card draw later. Seems crap to me.

>>54015978
well let's see. for 7 draw 2 and get 4/4. I would rather put a Torrential Gearhulk

>>54015695

>>54015936 Basically articulated most of what I was going to say in response.

Magic players like attaching themselves to certain worlds, it's part of the appeal of the game. If I wanted to fuck around purely with mechanics, I wouldn't be playing magic, and neither would you. There's at least some flavour that matters.

The tl;dr is that the flavour is absolute shit now, and as a result I do not even give an inkling of a fuck, because as far as mechanics go it's been the same shit for what, 4 years now?

The last time the game could be considered genuinely good was maybe Innistrad/RTR standard?

>>54015936
God, who would have thought I'd actually be nostalgic for the flavor of sets like fallen empires and homelands...

>>53995530
that's probably too strong in wotc's eyes because you could cast two of those to deal lethal damage on t4

>>54015978

Hideously overcosted, like most of the eternalize cards.

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>>54016336
G O O D I N L I M I T E D

>>54013312
>Dragons and elves belong in our worlds and so do you
>People thought this was a good message
That comes across more as saying that gays should only exist in fantasy worlds with mythical creatures like elves or dragons

>>54016206
Fallen Empires does the "suddenly, apocalypse!" thing better than recent sets for a couple reasons. First, it's a super traditional fantasy song: Tolkien elves and dwarves, early modern European humans, etc. We already know all the basics of the setting coming in.
Then, it turns out that Sarpadia really doesn't matter in the wider world. We understand that our view of the setting is coming from a contemporary history book discovered later, not the pov of a bunch of superheroes who just happen to be there for IMPORTANT PLOT POINT.
Similarly, the cause of the collapse is essentially coincidence: the war half a world away, which has nothing to do with them, fucked up the climate and ruined the delicate balance that let all the factions coexist, and we see the fallout. It's kind of a coda to the Brothers' War-Ice Age storyline, so it has less narrative weight to carry.

>>54011510
>tfw all about a plane getting destroyed
>nuwizards won't use it as an excuse to print good wraths and land destruction again
>instead wacky thematic planeswalker defeat spells and giving your opponent choices for too much mana

>>54017098
The cycle was worth it purely for Bolas Ice Burning Chandra.

>>54016405
Have you never heard, "How come dragons are realistic enough for your game but not gay people/female soldiers/multiple skin color?" It's a pretty common complaint among the people who would care that WotC was at Pride.

>>54017529
Another card to throw on the "generic EDH value card" pile, this shit's kinda boring by this point.

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>>54017529
So /tg/, is it worth it? Paying 5 mana possibly split over multiple turns and with a conditional activation just for a 4/4 with haste each turn.

>>54017588
as someone who loves value in EDH, this card is shit value. 7 mana spells that need to stick are always going be trash for value in edh.

now, casting victimize, creating a spawn with a spawning pit to sac to it, reanimating jace's mindseeker and diluvian primordial, using diluvian primordial ETB to cast an opponent's decimate and a replenish, and using that replenish to reanimate your gift of immortality, attaching it to your jace's mindseeker and then saccing your jace's mindseeker at every upkeep to cast a free spell every turn? now that's value

>>54017937
That's too many cards, the gift works with whatever and forever, being a artifact means it might as well be free to cast.