Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for lava bases are hard

>>53958675
Second for Wolves are best chapter

>didn't add the new rulebooks to the op

1 job you nigger

https://mega.nz/#!9bBhGaDA!0JoaCNtFINcR1DUI6wYzvWN0VhNa2znSeCeQiXZj4MA
https://mega.nz/#!0eQiCL5R!omFexvKyWIhWZdqBdWV4HIW9ZwQ7dFTFwYmlxF1G9gI

So do Eldar Corsair's not exist? they have rules for them but no pictures?

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>TFW NPC RACE BECOME MASTER RACE

brb buying a hierodule and a couple malanthropes

>>53958693
>links still don't work in Firefox
Reeeeeeee

>>53958693
are they in pdf?

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I think I want to paint the Primaris Captain as a Crimson Fist. They're cool.

Also, has anyone mathhammered whether he should be using his fist or his sword?

>>53958665
Anything above 90pts per wound is horrendous. Awful. Sad!

>>53958695
Corsair stuff is pretty much just upgrade kits, but pics of finished ones should be easy to find

>>53958668
I will never not love this image and am glad that a drawfag made it

>>53958705
>plebbitfox

Well Kreigs just lost their "platoon" commander its equivalent, Field Officer takes a HQ slots instead of an Elite one.

Primaris Marines just make me want to play Stormcast Eternals.

At the very least, the Stormcasts didn't replace an existing army - they were new from the ground up.

AoS seems to still be more balanced than 8th.

>>53958719

He's a Crimson Fist, so of course he's going to be using a Power Fist. What are you, stupid?

>>53958718
No.

>>53958731
>Being a part of a botnet

>>53958727
Ok cause I didn't know what was what.... ebay has like nothing and forge world only had heavy weapons kits....I'm guessing I have to fix up their bandoleers of pistols myself?

>>53958719
Pedro doesn't have a sword ya dimwit

>>53958668
What happened to ABG? Where's my Company Command and Commissar tank? I must have missed them somewhere, I want my tank commanders to be able to use FW Leman variants.

>>53958719
oh the old Peter the singer

>>53958743
>implying i use 9gaggle chrome

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Hows my list look?
2k pts

>>53958767
ABG?

>>53958732
Is this from a preview or an early look at the book/pdf?

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>T7/3+/5++/Regain a wound per turn/10W/Ignore multi-damage weapons

COME THE FUCK AT ME BRO

Guys; I know Wolves have been given Primaris... but would they still look like Chads with short hair and tidy armour? I want to Wolf up my Primaris captain in grav armour and stop him looking so fucking plain.

>>53958758
I mean th primaris captainye halfwit

>>53958720
>Points per wound.
Over abstracted nonsense.
If you just want best points per stick to memescripts.

>>53958818
What language is this?

>>53958833

Looks like Scottish. I can only base this assumption from experiencing Scottish twitter, though.

>>53958793
Armored Battle Group (or Battlegroup), basically HQ, Elite and Troop choice Leman Russ tanks.

I'm trying to find the page where I had special ammunition like Infernus and Beast Hunter shells.

>>53958827
We're talking about a vehicle that literally only outputs wounds. It moves, it loses efficiency. In the Fire Prism's case, points per wound is critical. The Falcon can at least transport units, War Walkers and Vypers can take objectives. The Fire Prism just sits there and shoots.

So
Best unit per faction in the FW index?

>>53958736
No im just a reatrd, anon. Now gimme that mathhammer!

>>53958874
Necrons is probably the Sentry Pylon with Heat Ray, though the Gauss Pylon and the Tomb Sentinel are close seconds.

>>53958794
In the Epub, Kreig have 4 own characters that can give orders and all of them are HQ, Named Marshal, Marshal, Field commander and Death Rider Commander.

They have normal Commisar and Quartermaster (medic) as elites

While Elysians have Elite Platoon Commander and HQ Lord Commissar without normal Commissars.

i have a bunch of fire prisms...where can I gets stuff to make them into wave serpents? Like ebay doesn't have the things I need.....also looking for corsair stuff too

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>>53958668

MAKE ME FABRICATOR GENERAL, GUILLIMAN.

Ok, so been out of the game for a long while, looking at the Renegades to suit my old LatD army.

Do they just not have much flavor to them, far as I can tell? Beyond the random leadership and some interesting stuff with the psykers, most of the army just doesn't seem to do anything different from normal guardsmen. I remember that I used to be able to bring units back if they died, is there anything like that that I missed?

>>53958874
Space marines is the levithan dreadnought.

>>53958687
Space yiffs are worst chapter
Dumb barbarians

>>53958873
It can start shooting turn 1, can keep shooting because tough. Can take objectives, won't compete for models, but it's fast and flies.
Things ignored by points per wound.

And saying that only one firing mode is effective doesn't even fit the mathhammer.
Dispersed is more effective against t3-4 single wound 2+ than nightspinner. Focused is more effective against multiwound t-7+ 2+ than nightspinner.

>>53958874
In the Xenos book?
Nids; Malanthrope because -1 to hit on all units within 3" for only 90 points
Tau; Supremacy Armour, only because its a battlesuit and not a vehicle so you can put a billion drones in front of it so it will never die.
I haven't read the other factions yet.

>>53958857
Well it seems they are squated or maybe they are going to re released them in the future.

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Give me some of your vintage memes.

>>53958938
Can't hear you over my "meat, cheese, bread and ale" punch each other drunk party.

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posting flying mystery machine of rape

So if I decided to do my Primaris Marines as multi-chaptered like in Dark Imperium n shit, how would I do chapter tactics once those roll down the line?

I like the idea of doing 20+ Marines in all the different chapters I've never done, but don't wanna be screwed out of stuff on the table. Would YOU be okay with me just doing whatever tactics (once they're out) the rest of my chapter is?

>>53958668
also, pour one out for Grey Knights. Not only are they lame rulewise, their lore has lost all charm and any coolness now. RIP anti-daemonniggas

i have 10 infantry models and 15 scion models
whats the best set up for these right now?

>>53958984
idiot

>>53958920
You are thinking of the old R&H 7th ed rules. R&H are rather bland now and probably will function better under regular IG rules

>>53958767
>What happened to ABG?
its now just the spear head detatchment.

>>53958984
Maybe with the codex they will release rules for the Primaris Greyshield

>>53958943
>units
Reread, son.

>>53958983
That's not a Vulture, though.

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>90ppm
Bless you for now, FW.

>>53959003
Yea, I'm just not seeing anything that makes them interesting at all.

Are they cheap, I guess? I know nothing about the system, so I can't tell.

>>53959004
Yeah but we need a new commander for the FW variants and ammunition rules.

>>53958943
malanthropes only buff models within 3 not units.

also its a typo of 190 points and sure to be FAQd soon. i wouldn't build my army around 90 point malanthropes.

>>53959016
Works the exact same way shrouding did in 7th. It is a conferred rule, it is units.

Tigershark ax-1-0 can't fire its railguns

>>53959020

When Chaos rules come in, it could help liven up the bunch with rules for Marks and all that.

Still, they were always worse Guard, so there isn't much change.

>>53959018
So do I buy 3 from my recaster and piss people off later, convert them and piss people off now, or proxy them until my recasts come in to piss people off now AND later?

Are Fallen any good? What is best way to use them?

Well i just picked up the Nugle half of the boxed set for $50 usd. did i do good?

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>>53958968

>>53959043
People get pissed at conversations?
Non shitty ones?

>>53959041
I don't mind that, I just want something interesting for choosing LatD instead of just playing guard with chaos models.

It looks like they get uncertain worth and nothing to benefit.

I am curious about using the Standard of Hate though.

>>53959043
Buy 4 from Z because they're $16

Z does magic with big nids

should i buy khorne berzerkers? i feel like GW is going to release new models when they release the real world eaters codex

>>53959028
>malanthropes only buff models
Conferred rule.

>also its a typo of 190 points and sure to be FAQd soon.
Said no official source.

>>53959071
Don't they get chaos keyword so you can mix in daemons and csm?

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Thoughts on this list? only things i dont have are the 2 las predators. Played a few ganmes of 8th and came to the realizaton i really need more AT weaponry, figure 8 lascannon shots per turn should do the trick

Rules for phantom titan?

Are there other places than eBay and Craigslist to sell armies? Im so sick of playing marines I want to try something new

>>53959000
1 tempestor prime, 1 Scion command squads, 2 Scion squads and 1 infantry squad, using the patrol detachment

Do people in real life really get mad about forge world, or is that just 4chan autism? I'm pretty new to the hobby and I want to buy some rapier quad heavy bolters from forge world, but I don't wanna do it if people won't play vs them.

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>>53959086
From last thread.

>>53959080
I don't know enough about 8th to know if that's a thing or not.

If that's true, I'm still not sure. I played LatD to avoid playing CSM.

>>53959079
There's probably a typo somewhere. IIRC they gave it a power level of 10, which is consistent with a points cost of ~200.

>>53959099
should i turn them to veterans and use an autocannon?

>>53959079
>Confired rule.
Where does this happen in this edition?
I don't see any rules for that in 8th

>>53958942
Are we looking at different charts? Because it sucks across the board, points per wound wise.

>>53959064
Well it's more "reeeee you are clearly only converting this unit to get an advantage because this unit is good and you don't want to shell out for FW"
>>53959075
Probably going through my usual recaster who has them for 25s, Z will probably be busy af rn and he has really long turnaround times.

>>53959107
Well aren't daemons mixed with guard cool at least?

>>53959001
Why?

>>53959129
I'll have to see. I loved the mass wave tactics I could do.

And again, I don't know enough about the system to really judge. I'm curious if I can set up a banner of hate unit behind huge waves of dudes and then just drown them in corpses, which is what my goal is anyways.

>>53959109
Its 100% a typo. This book is utter dog shit.

>>53959117
The same place where it says how aura buffs, that effect only models, effect units.

>>53959109
then why the carnifex is powerlevel 6 and 67 points ?

>>53959123
Night Spinner can shoot without LOS from turn 1 and is better against ALL targets.

>>53959105
The starcannon on this seems out of place. Every weapon it has is hitting at a higher range, number of times, and strength than the starcannon. Which is just downright puny compared to everything else.

>>53958948
I hope so because right now it looks like I can't run Pask or other tank commanders in these FW variants. At least Atlas and Trojans look nice, something I can turn my Lemans and Chimeras into instead of just shelving them.

>>53959117
He's pulling shit out of his ass, but he's still correct because Reese confirmed it should be units.

>>53959144
because its 67 ass naked

No FW xenos yet?

>>53959144
A similar issue. But so far in the GW books, power level is about 20 points per level.

What should I put in my 3 Dreadclaws? I'm thinking a Contemptor/Brute, Melee CSM, and Plasma Chosen with a Lord.

>>53959152
toe-in-ing units has never felt so good. You can easily get a full 2k army covered in 2 malenthropes.

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>>53958668
this seems stupid amirite guys?

>>53959169
People are talking about It right now in this general

>>53959144

Power counts for average of all wargear too. Stock fex is 97 most expensive is 150, average is therefore 125 which is 20 times 6.

>>53959123
The chart that says it's better against all units ignores cover.
It only has 2+ saves on things with invulns like termies.
Instead of all the 3+ saves in cover.

The one that looks at straight profiles, including 2+ T4, no invuln, etc shows the fire prism is better against several options.

>>53959184

It's your model, you roll the d6.

Question about demon summoning, it says any chaos character character can summon, so my cultist leader can summon? Or just like heralds and chaos lords?

>>53959195
yea, but you're the bugger that shot it with the las cannon

>>53959184
Why? Often the model being destroyed is going to explode among friendly and enemy units alike. So let the player who owns the model roll, since models affected is basically a wash.

>>53959148
I think its supposed to be an auxiliary weapon for closer, less dangerous targets. Like the rear las canons on a warlord titan.

>>53959184
No, as a general rule positive action falls to the player who's stuff would be acting.

>>53959199
If the unit has the <CHARACTER> keyword, it can summon. Sergeants in units typically don't have the <CHARACTER> keyword, because those units don't have it.

>>53959152
So a mistake in writing.
Like it's weird points to power.

>>53959204
>>53959207
>>53959195
>>53959201
>>53959184

It's so that you can choose to reroll if it explodes.

>>53959199
Unit leaders (i.e. ciltist chamipons and such) are no longer characters.

How do you guys feel about a Primaris chapter that's a lot like the Exorcists but more themes after primitive or native mysticism?

>>53959229
I think you mean, so you can choose to reroll if it -doesn't- explode so you can try to make it blow up and take out a cluster of enemy models instead.

But yeah, that's why you roll for your own vehicle.

>>53959249
Sounds like the space wolves or white scars

>>53959229

Makes sense. I get that Command Points are there to help you unfuck your own bad luck, as well as play with the game a little with scenario Command Point abilities.

>>53959249

Go for it. What are we talking about when it gets into it?

>>53959229
wow, that makes sense. thanks anon

>>53959043
Convert using Flyrants or something.
>>53959075
Z's FW nids are terrible

Macharius vanquishers look great now, thoughts?

Alright fuck me. I can't choose between black Templars, raptors and space wolves.

I want to be a semi-waac fag. I would appreciate all the help and advice you guys can give me.

Wolves have Bjorn, stormshield dreads, wolf scouts, wulfen, stormfangs

BT have amazing characters, great troop options and codex stuff

Raptors have op as fuck triple plasma infiltrating stern guard.

>tfw no proper company command squad
>tfw no possible way to make Deathwing Command

It wasn't supposed to be like this bros

>>53959350
Black Templars, do it for Sigismund-senpai~

So DKoK can still take Gorgon transports, they just don't get the DKoK Keyword right?

>>53959283
You're high as hell

>>53958874
Best Sisters unit is the Repressor

>>53959350

Raptors because they have less tabletop representation.

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Thoughts on this list? I'm trying to decide between less infantry for more scions and am thinking about replacing the basilisks with manticores

So I posted last thread about how I'm going to use my converted, ie painted, swooping Hawks as the scourges they are made from.
Because there is no reason not to have scourges now.

But now I can't decide if my Il kaithe craftworld, which canon hate chaos so much they work with deldar and even take on their markings, should have joined the ynnari, or just start adding some deldar as I feel like.

Also to repaint the scourges I didn't finish the wings on.

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>>53959400
Whoops. Here's an updated list

Malanthropes are 90 points or 10 power? WTF is this.

Also Grot tanks, so freaking good now.

>>53958803
They were fully integrated and after the initial batch the chapters were given the tech to do it themselves so wolf it up

>>53958983
You are hitting on 5s if you move due to heavy, not really worth bringing

>>53958920
Renegades are dumpster tier for now. You'd be better off still playing the 7e list but with movement values and the updated weapons.

which chinaman do you guys use for your fake FW? Got an order from tianzhang-8/some chigga name Pengfin and they're great. However, his store now appears to not have anything for sale and all future transactions would occur through email and paypal invoice. Should I look for a different dude?

>>53959414
You could run them as a historical, pre-FoBT force. Alternatively, say they REALLY hate chaos and are suspicious of Ynnead and whether s(he) has the stink of Slaanesh.

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>>53958983
>not one
>not two, but three
>three twin lascannons
N-NANI !??!!?

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HELLFORGED DEREDEO DREADNOUGHT

>>53959434
Power points value suggests it may be a typo.

>>53959261
So you know how the Grey Knights use hyper advanced technology but they also line their armor with esoteric glyphs and use mystical wards? They pretty much use the latter that they derive from the traditions of their homeworld. They treat demons like native Americans treated Skinwalkers and Wendigos. They line their armor with shamanistic writing, fire silver laced bolts at them and coat their power weapons in white ash

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>>53958983
And people say that FW isn't P2W.
shdm

>>53959355
What are you on about? the characters are there and now you can drop dead weight too

>>53958778
Get rid of tanks, spam Conscripts.

>>53959455
Was thinking that.
Also love the new avatar of khaine rules, and was thinking of having some wych cult units who basically saw the avatar and we're basically totally into that.

And scourges are mercenary so they'll help whoever.

Now to find out if mandrakes still suck because I love they're new models.

No imperial armour - index: xenos yet?

>>53959478

Seems neat, a Chapter with a tradition that helps ward off evil spirits. Perhaps their homeworld has an abundance of such, and it's only through the shamanistic tradition that it's remained habitable.

I imagine they'd be nowhere near the level of Grey Knights, but they seem like they'd have a bit of specialty in that area like the Death Specters. Like how some Chapters have a specialty against 'Nids or Eldar or Orks, these guys have an edge on warp tainted creatures and factions.

>>53958918
Is it weird that I've always seen Cawl as a cyberduck? His early art never really showed his face well, and I just fixated on the bill.

>>53959064
My lgs loved even my shitty tyranid conversions.
Especially with the DIMACHAERON looking like an upright Tervigon.

>>53959523
Nope.

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Is Occam's Razors a cool or retarded name for a kill team?

>>53958983
you can litterally bring 9 lascannon HWT for cheaper

>>53959527
Can't unsee

>>53959542

Par-for-the-course, I'd say. Pretty fitting for AdMech.

>>53959114
That could work yes.

>>53959544
Well yes. But one is a flying tank and the other is a pile of squishy meatbags.

>>53959434
a typo. they'll be faqd to 190 soon enough

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>>53959458
Oh yeah? Check THIS out!

>>53958801
>what is this weird tiny jetbi-
*clicks the photo*
>WHY IS THERE A TINY SKELETON PLAYING A VIDEOGAME INSIDE A GIANT DONUT STEEL

>>53959486
You have to use 3 (three) elites slots to make a Command Squad.

As for Deathwing, Company Vets can't be in Terminator Armor.

Can someone post the Wraithseer?
Can't open the file.

>>53959576
Excuse me FOUR whole elite slots to make a proper command squad.

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>>53959482
>implying 40k isn't P2W

>>53959526
That's what I'm going for. A chapter that specializes in fighting demons bet isn't the Grey Knights. They're not incorruptible, just pretty good at it

>>53959470
What about it?

>>53959542
I prefer working fromobscure mathematics terms. But that's me.
Countably infinite.
Transendental numbers.
N-gons.
Contrapositive

>>53959576
>>53959585
Vanguard Detachment, also forget company vets in terminator now you can bring extra apothecaries to keep everyone alive

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>>53959568
>Heavy 40

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>>53959568

>>53959603
Take your fucking set theory and get out of here

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Do you guys think it's worth tracking down these kind of FW promos? I'm thinking about building some Custodes and this guy would pretty awesome as center piece

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>>53959568
beautiful

>>53959568
How many points are the punishers?

>>53959619
need to shop the 50 to 40 and maybe an aquila

>>53959636
Twin Punisher is 40

>>53959636
>>53959631
>>53959619
>>53959614

Punisher Array is 40.
Base craft is 112. With the chin bolter, she's 160.

Fast, cheap, and hungry for xenos flesh.

>>53959629
what would you even use him as?

>>53959613
That's NOT MUH though.

I just want to build a fluffy 1st company list.

>>53959629
Man, they would be pricey but AC will get captain equivalents at some point so they'd be pretty good

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>>53959568

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>>53959668
what am I seeing here

Ork FW stuff is pretty fucking good

Zhadsnark is severely underpriced, and the kannon wagon looks decent

>>53959676
Alpha at it again

>>53958801
That Necron's playing Galliga

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>>53959676

>>53959694
He thought we wouldn't notice, but we did.

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Supercharged Plasma or Meltaguns on Veterans? Both? Thinking of a hovering Vendetta to help with damage.

So /TG, I've decided to run Sentinel powerlifters for my GSC, since they're the closest I can get to Monstrous Creatures without having to
>A: ally in a Nid Detachment
or
>B: Take a carnifex in my GSC detachment, ruining my ability to steal IG swag

Because I have a sick sense of irony, I want to model my alien cultists as using a P-5000 Work Loader. Any good places to start to look for conversion bits?

>>53959710
Supercharged Scions deepstriking in with a Tempestor Prime yelling at them every turn.

It melts shit.

Anything going up for preorder on saturday?

>>53959710
Will the Vets be getting Fomt?

>>53959653
Are we back to the "Forgeworld is actually overpowered" life?

>>53958778

This list looks remarkably similar to mine but I dropped two leman russes for a baneblade.

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>>53959688
No ones been posting any of it, can you post pics?

>>53959700
see photo

>>53959568
Does this kill the memescript?

>>53959629
C H I N A
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>>53959184
What difference does it make?
Either way a dice is gonna be rolling

>>53959726
it's in the mega dude.

>>53959523
Heard it got canceled by FW, sorry.

>>53959620
Only one of those was really set theory.
Transendental is related, but doesn't require actual set theory.

>>53959629
Got that guy from a russian caster for 30€
looks original, really impressed by the quality actually. Try finding it on a decent recaster

>>53959724
Well, it's still not as point-efficient as a conscript blob.

But...maybe?

>>53959727
Eats 11 conscripts a turn standing still. They match range, so the conscripts will be able to shoot back. Once they get into rapid fire range they'll chew it apart in two turns.

So no. No it does not.

>>53959736
hes a waacfag who wants to reroll the explosion if it fails

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>>53959700

>>53959530
We had a guy that made FW nids out of pinecones and hot glue , one day he went on an antisemitic rant and we never heard from him again

>>53959724

Everyone seems happy with atleast something from their FW stuff so maybe?

Nids, Tau, Orks, Guard etc look very content with at least one thing

>>53959713
You can just ally in a Nid heavy support detachment and bring fill it with non- ambushing stuff like rockgrinders,chimaeras,russes, etc and one hq,thats how i bring my mawloc without paying any additional tax.That said, I want one too!

>>53959770
DE player, not particularly excited about anything. Other DE transports seem more efficient.

>>53959655
He can use it as a shield captain in 40k and as a tribune if he plays 30k
I'll make mine my Kill Team's team leader

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>>53959748
>30€

Holy fuck dude. Better recasters are selling that guy for $6

Has somebody converted the faggy epubs into readable bloody pdfs yet? I dont want to waste my time and do it myself.

Thinking of just making my Primaris Marines Ultras since nothing they bring to the table does much for my Blood Angels.

Anyone else think this? What do we know about their upcoming kits and rules?

>>53959730
but how do i into china?

>>53959787
there should be a "and kriegers" in there but I got retardbrains

>>53959790
>I'm too stupid to figure it out and do it myself.

ftfy.

>>53959778

You guys were basically irrelevant to FW and had what? All of one page? Guess they want you so steal Eldar stuff or just don't like you

>>53959798
Ah ok, well lay off that resin crack senpai.

Ok, posted about Renegades before, looking at Chaos now.

Is there any synergy in the rules? They all have the Chaos keyword, but I see almost nothing that keys off of it.

>>53959771
I've already got 3 detachments though, don't want to add a 4th.

Besides, Sentinel Powerlifters are better at killing stuff than the fex.

Although I guess I could shove all my transports into one detachment and turn that one into a Nid detachment. Only need 1 slot for 3 fexes.

>>53959739
I dont see the xenos imperial armour index books, just space marine and chaos

>>53959603
you just made all those words up

>>53959770
Tiger Shark AX-1-0 seems pretty okay.

I like the XV9s. 234 points for two with advanced targeting and 2 gun drones 2 shield drones. 32 S5 -1 AP shots.

>>53959793
Start with yoyhammer and figure it out like the rest of us

>>53959830
look at the top 3 posts of this thread retard

>>53959717
Sounds nasty especially with how Deep Strike works now. Actually considering having Scions for alpha striking and making my current Guardsmen just screens since they feel mandatory for my vehicles to not struggle.

>>53959721
Re-roll 1s to hit on the Plasma, maybe 1s to wound for the Melta.

>>53959852
I was told to look at the mega so i looked at the mega, not posts in the thread.

Also thank you, you mean person now i have the books.

Does a squad have to sit in a drop pod for a turn before being able to get out?

>>53959727
No, because for the exact same points you'd get a blob of conscripts with far more wounds, attacks, and table presence. Literally nothing gets you as much bang for your points, which is why they're so good.

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>orkz are a melee race
>manlets

So can someone explain why the Conqueror chassis is 22 points cheaper than the Russ chassis?

>>53959833
Transendental numbers are numbers that can't be expressed as the solution to a finite polynomial equation with interger coefficientd.
Contrapositive is a type of proof. If you can show that not q implies not p, you have proven p implies q.
N-gons is the generic term a polygon with n sides.

>>53959799
Since you aren't care to do it?

>>53959903
Don't press him, anon!

He's...he's armed with MATH!

>>53959903
I wish I understood math better.

>>53959845

Is that the quad shot railgun one?
Cause if so, yeah, it does.

>>53959885
Flash Gitz might size up

>>53959914
I'm fine with ePubs.

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>>53959903
>mfw pure mathematicians

>>53959527
Cawl Dodgers of 410st and half CENTURY!

>>53959885
Ork can be bigger without the squatting and bend over pose.

What do power lifter sentinels do

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>>53959885
>taller base
>cork terrain

Nice meme lanklet

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Critique my list please. Going against the early meta of infantry horde and maybe that will work out to my advantage if nobody brings enough things to deal with the armor saturation.

>>53959959
They're scout sentinels that cost 45 points, have 3 attacks that hit on 4+, and powerfists.

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>>53959959
Be forgeworld

>>53959959
45 points for a Scout Sentinel with a Powerfist, essentially. Only -2 AP though

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>mfw when I want to run a pure Kroot force.
>can't take shapers as HQ

SCREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

What's the best unit for chaos to counter horde spam?

>>53959885
corkfags are the fucking worst

>>53959978
Just model one to count as an Ethereal

>>53959959
Battle each other for Creed's amusement.

>>53959454
Nice try GW

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>>53959978
>take ethereal
>use converted shaper counts-as

>>53959970
>>53959973
Shit so they hit on 4+ after factoring in the -1 of the powerfist? Or 4+ base then -1 for the fist? -2 ap is fine, Bullgryn are -1 and they do great.

Power lifter sentinels sound amazing, especially if they get the 9 inch move at the start.

>>53959903
im a 35 year old stay at home dad, who got a c average in highschool math, please dont, you probably are some young whipper snapper whose 20 times smarter then me and it makes my caveman brain sad

Say I wanted to field an army of a few very powerful models - like the Supreme Command detachment. What's the best way to do that?

>>53960002
It's not exactly a powerfist. It's just very similar, x2 strength, -2 ap, d3 damage, no hit penalty.

They do seem alright for what they are. They can move up quickly and put out a lot of damage for relatively cheap, especially compared to the price of some of the heavier weapons sentinels can take.

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>>53959903
It's like I'm reading a snippet of an TumblrSJW conversation but it's Math....

>>53960002
4+ base, the powerloader weapon has no -1 to hit.

Yup, 9" scout, 9" move, 3 S10 -2 attacks with d3 damage each.

For 45 points a go they're not bad. T5 and 4+ save though.

>>53960012
For an army of just HQs? You might want to go Tau. Crisis commanders are pretty durable and efficient

Now that 8th is live, who here will give AoS a shot if you don't already play it?

>>53960023
Their movement and damage make it look like they're ideal for hitting transports.

>>53960026
>>53960023
That's retardedly good. Bullgryn are 3+ 3 attacks at s7 -1 ap and 2 damage for 42 points. Sure they have better armor, but these loader Sentinels sound amazing.

>>53959903
It's like reading a page of some conspiracy website saying that Hitler was a reptilian space alien who escaped to a secret base in Antarctica and is still alive today digging through the crust of the hollow earth.

>>53959978
shaper on knarloc counts as battlesuit commander.

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Would a Hellhound be a suitable base to use for an Ork Big Trakk? I really want to go for one with a boatload of Skorchas to use as a transport, but I'm not sure on the size

>>53960040
Nah, 8th 40k satisfy any want I have to play AoS. I'd wish even more now that they'd kill of AoS and return that game to a Rank & FIle game like WHFB.

>>53960040
Already play it, getting into 40k now

Ok, so how does army list construction work here?

You just create as many detachments as you want until you hit the point values?

>>53960057
Rank and file is boring to most people and almost no one got enjoyment from painting the same static looking mini over and over when only the first row was visible.

>>53960061
If you can't read a rulebook you shouldn't get into tabletop miniatures.

>>53960051
Eh, the Bullgryn are cheaper and more accurate with their attacks. Generally, the Bullgryn are more consistent. Plus they can take a transport.

>>53960045
I do think the Sentinels are best used as a cheap initial wave to soften up enemy transports. They might not do much damage, but they'll get there quickly and be just threatening enough that they can't be easily ignored.

Manticore in stock never

>>53960038

Aight. Was thinking some demon prince cabal or something.

>>53960070
Speak for yourself faggot.

If an ability lets me reroll 1s to hit, and I roll a 1 with an overcharged plasma weapon, I don't explode unless the reroll is also 1, right?

also, am I required to tell my opponent what's inside all my transports when I deploy them? I was always fond of turning my rhinos into a shell game but Im not sure if 8e will continue to permit that

>>53959966
2 troops is not enough. Your opponent needs only to kill them and then weather the storm of missiles.

Anyone have DE tantalus and reaper rules?

>>53960070
You clearly never played WHFB.

Is it just me or does Khârn have a lot of skornegy going on?

>>53960104
>>53960090

It's dead for a reason and I'm glad. In fact, AoS is so popular that GW basically made 8th a modified version of AoS.

>>53960089
Going for Chaos might work, but it'd be tricky since there's only so many ways to kit them out, and you'd be really reliant on melee and psychic powers.

Crisis commanders in general are more efficient than crisis teams in terms of shooting, and you could also easily supplement it with drones to give you a bit more cannon fodder. Which you really should, since a Crisis suit box comes with a half dozen

>>53960051
Bullgryns deal more reliable damage, have a better save, can be in units, take transports, receive orders and buffs, get an extra attack on the charge, and hit more often.

>>53960114
If it's so popular stop trying to convince people dumbass.

>>53960012
any of the big commanders would be fitting.
An army of hive tyrants, deamon princes/greater deamons or tau battlesuits is probably viable.

>>53960105
Warmahordes please go and stay go.

>>53960127
That game is still around?

>>53960056
it'll be close enough.
they're bigger i think but i doubt anyone will have issues.

>>53959787
Such as?

>>53959973

>Scout Sentinel with a Powerfist

Why am I picturing Trogdor in my head right now?

>>53960012
Taje the cheapest HQs you can find. Use them to screen your important HQs. Maybe make a movement tray for your little HQs, so you can keep easy track of them.

>>53960121
Yes to all of that but they don't get orders

>>53960140
Hmm...good to know. I'll try and bulk it up a bit with a dozer blade or something

>>53960141
Yeah, nice try.

>>53960162
I seriously have no idea what you're taking about

>>53960154
Oh right, no regiment tag

>>53960154
Yarrick standing close would still give them reroll 1s and use this Ld.

>>53960167
You're not going to get recaster info here anon, go to yoyhammer and beg them.

>>53960185
Better to just give em a priest. That's 5 S7 D2 attacks each on the charge.

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>>53960208
You can do both in 8th

Anyone else having Captcha act up? Selecting all the pics and then it keeps failing to connect. Making it take much longer to make a single post

>>53960217
This picture is getting to the point where I'm considering adding the MD5 to my filter list.

>>53960196
>You're not going to get recaster info here anon
Why...? I strange for something readily available

>>53960217
Nigger, I'm not sending a 130 point character along with my suicide bullgryn squad.

>>53959983
Charging Berzerker, and Havocs with heavy bolters maybe?

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>>53960233
Jokes on you I have 2.

And to not get banned again,
Is the Cons meme dead yet?
Can I take Guardsmen and not be shamed off tables yet?

>>53960092
>I was always fond of turning my rhinos into a shell game but Im not sure if 8e will continue to permit that
You were never able to do this.

>>53960092
>I was always fond of turning my rhinos into a shell game but Im not sure if 8e will continue to permit that

This is always cheating. In 8th you have to declare what is in what transport and you can't change it.

>>53960092

A reroll means the first result doesn't stand. So, yes, an Overcharged Plasma shot does not kill or damage the firing model unless their reroll is also a 1.

As for playing the transport shell-game; that was always cheating. You've been cheating this entire time.

So, I'm thinking about a Renegade infantry heavy army that has a ton of Banners of Hate bubblewrapped by tons of infantry, just to see if I can kill them with weight of attacks.

Is this a good idea, or a great idea?

>>53960003
30 and barely got my batchelors.
This shit is like 20 years behind current math research. I'm pretty sure that makes it worse
>>53960025
>>53960054
I haven't even started on how infinity is a single point in space, or multiple measures that have no end, or an expression of a relationship. Depending on context.

Or how the relations of curvature in three dimensional space requires four dimensions.

Or how at sufficient dimensions a sphere inside a cube is bigger than the cube.

Or how there is a very real debate over whether man created numbers, or numbers exist outside man. I'm on the numbers exist outside man side.

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Thoughts? I wanted to fit there claws, but I couldn't afford to put anything inside.

The sorcerer jumps because he can Deepstrike solo and move where he's needed.

I need 3 heavy support options to fill my IG army, problem is I'm doing a scion army focused on deep striking, flyers and being fast and dont have a lot of points.
3 heavy weapon mortar teams scattered around the backline behind cover to reach out and take out any foes in range, good idea?

>>53960320
It's a cheap idea, so that's good.

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Infantry gunline here can work instead of the popular conscripts?

>>53960334
Get some Death Riders in there to give your RRs some T4 4+ (FNP against S4 or less) meat.

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Am I to interpret this to mean that if a model with a BS of 6+ had a Heavy Weapon and it moved before the shooting phase, it wouldn't be able to fire?

>>53960320
>3 heavy weapon mortar teams scattered around the backline behind cover to reach out and take out any foes in range, good idea?
That would be your best bet, yeah.

Can you warptime solo characters? Do they count as units for this purpose?

>>53959629
I'll sell you mine for £90.00

>>53960356

I think that might be so. Of course, why would you have a Heavy weapon on a model with BS6+ and how did you get that to happen?

Does anyone have the dimensions of the fw breaching shields? Looking to print my own, hoping to get the height and width.

>>53960356
it would be able to fire but it would be impossible to hit without To Hit buffs because of +7

>>53960356
The model would be able to fire, but wouldn't be able to hit unless they get an other bonus

>>53960334
you're a fucking mad man why would you ever put plasma rifles in the same squad as a lascannon?

>>53960394
Everything can split fire now and heavies only get -1 when they move (and Veterans start at 3+) so he's actually not too heretical this edition.

>>53960373
Badly damaged tanks.
Also stacking -1 to hit.
A few armies can stack up to -2 to hit, add in the heavy weapon penalty...

>>53958778
You need a Tempestor Prime so you can give your Scions a re-roll when they throw a 1.

To sum up:
Eldar Scorpion, BS2+, moves 14" with Fly at full health, 26 wounds, 3+ to save, T8
Distort Fields so advancing anything over 17" gives you 4++, can take Eldar vehicle upgrades, fully loaded with Bright lance and all upgrades is 705.

You star engines every turn, be at -1 to hit with 4++ T8 and 3+ AS
You shoot 4d6 S12 AP-4 3D shots and 6s to wound turns into 2d6 damage at 60" hitting on 3s after advance.

LMFAO FW

>>53958778
Honest question, why do you have Creed and Yarrick in the same list?

>>53959431
Stick a Ministorum Priest in so your cannon fodder can do some damage in melee

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So I guess I can use Warptime to close?

>>53960437
That's my secret Captain I don't overcharge

>>53960453
I really like both of their auras and the 3 orders with vox casters are sick. The 1's to reroll and a decent CCQ charater are really awesome as well. I guess I just really like both and want to run a chunk of Characters.

>>53960464
You should really make some of those Khorne princes, since you won't be able to have them all cast psychic powers anyway.

What did war gaming live mean when they said not to buy too many tempestus scions command squads? Nerf inc?

>>53960075
I'm more interested in how the various groups interact. I can include Daemons in my Renegades list, I assume, but how exactly does that function?

>>53959568
Why does this paper plane have 14 wounds and the great unclean only has 12?

>>53960092
7e didn't permit that either so i doubt it.

>>53959730
>>53959748
>Recasts
Yeah, no, I think I'll pass. I appreciate the advice but I don't really feel like jumping through the million hoops to track down an email and hope I get the right one before sending my money off into the either.

>>53960370
Co side adjusting your bait. You can get them for less than half that on the eBay and imagine recasts are even less

So is FW ever going to bring their out of print models back since they're still in the FW Indices?

>>53960476

>you won't be able to have them all cast psychic powers anyway

Why not?

Hey quick question, when a guardsmen infantry squad lets you take a heavy weapons team, does the heavy weapons team cost 4 points or is it 8 points?

>>53960507
You can't cast any power more than once per turn aside from smite

>>53960510
8.

>>53960510
I'd assume it's still intended as 'You guy 10 guardsmen for 40 points and then two become a heavy weapons team'

>>53960525

That's per psyker, I thought. Core rulebook p. 178, left column, last sentence.

>>53960527
>>53960533

Hmmm damn, I really think its 4 points, it doesn't feel super clear, but i can easily see why it would also be 8. Ill play it as 8 for the moment to be safe then. Thanks

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>>53960525
Where does it say that? It only says per psyker per turn.

>>53960542
>>53960548
"Psychic Focus" rule, under Matched Play.

>>53960545
The 4 points are for heavy weapons squad teams specifically.

Why does 1d4chan like Tau Commanders?

>>53960545
I'd say that the points call it a Heavy Weapons Squad is 4 pts, the rule that makes 2 Guardsmen into a Heavy Weapons Team, says Team. I'd say they are different and you pay for the 2 Guardsmen and add the Heavy Weapon after you buy the unit.

>>53960563

Cause they're good
Now
>1d4chan
out

>>53960563
Because 1d4chan are redditors and redditors like Tau.

>>53960557

Awkward. Seems pretty lame. All Khorne princes would get is +1 attack, though.

>>53960365
yes. single models are just units of 1.

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>>53960568
Quiet, you.

>>53958918
Well I mean he did do alot of shit. What did the current fab gen do?

>>53960597
Outlived the competition and never got caught doing heretek.

>>53960574
Yeah, it's really weird to have such an arbitrary penalty for psyker heavy armies at higher point levels. Hopefully codices add more powers to lessen the blow.

some units are missing the <CHARACTER> keyword in the new FW books, like the Renegade Commander, or the Eldar Illych (whatever is his name)

>>53958693
Updated, and pdf soon.

BTW, how to convert?

>>53960597
The current fabricater general won the millennial hotdog eating contest, a mechanicum tradition that's been around since it's very founding.