How big do you like your dragons?

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Various sizes

>>53957697
This.

Though, the lands of my setting rest upon the back of a giant dead dragon. So also pretty.

And the dead one's not even the largest.

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>>53957685
It's not how big your dragon is; it's how you use it.

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A wide assortment of colors.

>>53957685
>anelagon
is that dude like the size of a country

Pocket-sized.

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>>53957685
"Small" with four legs

>>53957735
No, it's just one idiot misinterpreting a passage in the Silmarillion and making a picture, which then got shared around a lot.

>>53957735
A mountain at least, certainly.

Even better is that he was defeated. By a human.

>>53957685
Dark souls dragon size.

>>53957735

He's a big guy

>>53957761
Ancalagon is described as being literally as big as a mountain.

>>53957685
Bigger than your tiny-ass thumbnail. Seriously, was the the best image you could get?

>>53957766
Not at all certainly. Tolkien uses almost the exact same phrase to talk about how Durin's Bane destroys the side of Zarakzigil when he too was thrown down in ruin, and the Fellowship explicitly states he was more or less human sized.

And Earindil had made the choice to be an Elf, not a man by that point.

The dragon in my world is what creates the day-night cycle

100 ft give or take.

>>53957766
Kind of defeats the potency of size if a lone human can bring it down.

>>53957809

Greetings newfriend. Here on /tg/ we don't criticize others.

>>53957790
No he isn't. The only way you get to him being as big as a mountain is that bit about how he destoyed the peaks of Thangorordrim when he fell. See the post about Durin's Bane and Zarakzigil as to why that kind of reasoning is highly flawed. >>53957812

>>53957829
You must be new here.

>>53957819

He was a magic human with a flying ship with a holy gem that shot god lazers

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>is it big enough

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>>53957685
Not very

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>>53957769
That was a cool as fuck discovery in Dark Souls 3

>>53957812
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Ancalagon#cite_note-5

Earindil chose to be an elf because his wife wanted him to, but he would have preferred to remain a man.

>>53957848
> a holy gem.
Call it what it is - a Silmaril.

Yes, the Silmarils give you enough destructive power to defeat beings the size of mountains.

>>53957854
So... cats? ...Can't really argue with that.

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if it can't vore me then whats the point :/

>>53957907

It was holy, Varda hallowed it

>>53957865
Hell yeah it was.
Only issue I have with it, like a lot of people is that the dragon covenant is gone.

DoD sized

>>53957930
It's holiness was never in question considering it was produced by divine craftsmanship in the first place.

>>53957884
>http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Ancalagon#cite_note-5
That refers to an etymology of Ancalagon's name; and isn't connected to the article's own claim as to Ancalagon being as big as a mountain. The citation to that claim is made in the Atlas of Middle Earth, which has 0 canonicity whatsoever and is riddled with other defects (like claiming that Aragorn brought about a thousand men with him to Pellenor Fields, which is obviously wrong)

>Earindil chose to be an elf because his wife wanted him to, but he would have preferred to remain a man.
Irrelevant, he chose to remain an elf. That difference of Fea is pretty huge.

>>53957865
Still not as big as Ancalagon.

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>>53957685
I like 'em nice and human. Makes hugging them easier.

>>53957985
>hugging
How disgusting. Almost as sick as hand-holding.

>>53957973
Ok, that's great and all, but why the fuck not?

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>>53957954
>Feanor
>Divine
certainly not, kinslayer.

On the other hand imagine if Celebrimbor's dad (maker of the Plantir) or grandpa (Silmarils) tried their hand at ring smithing.

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>>53958003

>>53958034
> implying the elves are not divine.
> in a setting in which life is literally created by gods.

Uhm.

Well shit, I guess this became a LotR thread. So much for originality.

>>53958060
Are you actually complaining about people looking to LOTR for dragons rather than D&D and claiming unoriginality?

Are you aware of how much of a vapid shitposter you are?

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>>53958003
How about kissing?

>>53958059
Elves aren't divine, a lot of them just spent millenia in the Holy land.

>>53958060
An actual LotR setting dissociated of all later fantasy and especially D&D influence would really be original.
I don't think any adaptations ever come close to that though.

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>>53958099
I wanted to hear what people here came up with, not stuff from settings that have been around for decades. I'm as interested in hearing about LotR here as D&D.

>>53958099
So a setting that takes place in pre-medieval times, dark ages to be more specific?

>>53958088
They were literally created by God. Technically the only beings that aren't divine in middle earth are those created by Morgoth, and the descendents of the Numenorians (who were cursed by God) and Hobbits.

Maybe a lot of the creatures awakened by the Valar too, but that's a case by case scenario.

>>53958086
>>53958099
>>53958115
Whoops, wrong thread. Well, off to kill myself now.

>>53958120
Humans were also created by God and we sure as hell ain't holy.
Neither were the Avari.

>>53958006
Because it's ridiculous looking. Especially since we're dealing with fictional myth here, and the stuff from the "Elder Days" is necessarily most exaggerated and least accurate.

>>53958115
Except the only real difference between modern stories and ancient mythology is that nowadays we know where the stories came from.

If you want us to draw inspiration for you but you don't want us to draw inspiration from specific settings you should have said so.

>>53958156
Humans were cursed by God. In the setting they desired the long lives of the Elves and Sauron used that against them. The wars of Arda stretch back to the first age, when Sauron was merely a lieutenant rather than a Dark Lord.

Humans that have achieved redemption however have absurd power levels in the setting, however there are also descendents of the Numenorians who embraced their curse, becoming Black Numernorians who serve Sauron, sharing in their master's hatred for the creations of Illuvatar.

>>53958180
> it's ridiculous looking.

That's because of your perspective of reality. The Dawn Age of Arda was a psychedelic kamikaze of music and primal forces. Humongous creatures like Ancalagon could be said to be a manifestation of the song of the Ainur.

>>53958059
god*

>>53958244
>Humans were cursed by God
Nope. Mortality was a gift, but the lies of melkor and sauron twisted the men into thinking it was a curse.

>>53958311
Are the Valar Gods?

They're certainly in a league of their own.

>>53958325
The curse was falling from Illuvatar's favour.

>>53958244
Humans were never cursed by god, they were given the gift of death but only the Numenoreans decided to piss in Eru's cereal.
He trapped the host sent against Aman and rounded Middle-earth sinking Numenor. The dark men were relatively unaffected.

>>53958370
They were thrown from their island paradise and into a death struggle with the forces of corruption.

It's a Garden of Eden story.

>>53958356
>some guys in an island off in bumfuck nowhere anger god and get punished
>I, a man living somewhere eating nuts in northern wilderland, am also guilty despite not knowing anything about this nor being one of the guilty
Let's also not forget that humans aren't "redeemed" to become stronger, bloodline has a lot to do with it. Even someone cruel like Castamir was a mighty long-lived man while the likes of Eomer are considered lesser men.

>>53958422
The Numenorians were the pinnacle of human civilization, something that would only later be emulated when Aragorn rose to the throne of Gondor.

Though you may be content with your nuts and your simple life, you are about as inconsequential as the hobbits.

>>53958404
There was no garden of eden story.
Men went west because orcs and worse were eating them, helped fight off (or with) Morgoth once they ran out of room to run, we're given an island and lots of knowledge to do cool shit, they then wanted to stop dying and took a dump on god's porch.
This is just the Numenoreans, there were a lot more men.

>>53958298
The Dawn Age of Arda was way, WAY before you have Ancalagon, which is towards the end of the First Age, and much more "grounded" in 5th century Northern European norms, customs, people, and powers. It does not fit with a mountain sized dragon.

>>53958454
The Numenoreans are irrelevant, god never cursed mankind.

>>53958461
And a lot of them were already corrupted, too. However;

> The island was brought up from the sea as a gift from the Valar to the Edain, the Fathers of Men who had stood with the Elves of Beleriand against Morgoth in the War of Wrath.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BAmenor

They earned those lands. It's not like they simply squatted.

>>53957829
Faggot

>>53958483
> have the greatest civilization of your culture to have ever existed and ever will existed wiped off the map.
> not a curse.

I think our ideas of curses might be different.

>>53958537
It's not a curse, it's a punishment.
The survivors made one fine realm.

>>53958499
Which is why I said "helped fight against Morgoth".

>>53958582
I don't understand how you fail to see how a punishment can be in itself a curse. To fall from grace is no light a thing.

> "Helped fight"
> "Helped Defeat".

ftfy.

>>53958653
The valar did most of the work.
As for curse, anon Numenor's fall was a blessing.
This world-wide tyrannical dictatorship that kidnapped so many innocents to sacrifice at the altar of Morgoth under Sauron's command was no more.

>>53958697
The corruption of Melkor was no fault of Man, anon.

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Was Ungoliant really big or is that a phrase taken wrong?

>>53958480
But a giant spider that was about to devour a literal god/devil is kosher? Ungoliant was definitely in the dawn age I believe.

>>53958708
Sauron, Melkor was cast off into the gates of night at that point.
Point is when the Numenoreans were good they made the world they ruled good, when they were seduced by a newhalf in skimpy leather thongs in a dungeon to be dicks then things got out of hand.
But it was definitely the fault of the Numenoreans and their pride.

>>53958746
That's after she had devoured the trees of light that were basically acting as suns for Arda considering at that time it was a flat disk rather than a globe. It took a host of Balrogs to defeat her at that point, and she basically curbstomped Melkor.

No one knows her origin for sure, however her powers at least put her on the same standing as a Maiar. Melkor fucked up by letting her eat the trees.

>>53958796
And their pride caused them to fall from the favour of the Valar and Eru. To lose the support of such beings is pretty fucking bad.

>>53958816
Seriously just a giant spider fuckingg APPEARED and nobody has any idea where she came from? Is she fucking a fucking old one?

>>53958847
She's probably in a way similar to Tom, a "foreign" story, originally from a completely different mythos, that got wrapped into the Arda mythos, and then badly.

>>53958795
Her "devouring" is mostly some sort of attack on the inner light (for the trees and gems) or the fea. It does not necessitate her being physically huge.

>>53958847
It's unsourced, but I have a text that suggests that "It is also said that she came from the darkness above the skies of Arda, leading some to believe that she may be an incarnation of darkness or emptiness itself".

I suppose for there to be song there must also be silence...

>>53958836
Their pride made them jealous of the elves, and they stopped coming to Numenor. That's the point of no return.

>>53958088
I get your sauce
you are a gentleman and a scholar anon

>>53958847
>a horror in spider form
Shit.

>>53958870
in addendum "Even Tulkas, the strongest of the Valar, was unable to break through it when he pursued Melkor and Ungoliant from Valinor.".

Her power rivals that of the Valar, which are basically greater deities in the setting.

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Unlight

>>53958894
Good thing the bitch ate herself.

>>53958847
>>53958855
>>53958864
Fucking Tolkien man. That glorious bastard really knows how to make a story that simulate real life myths.

Why is there a giant spider of darkness? Why were there already existing spider demons for her to mate with? Fucking TOM BOMBADIL, who is he? And the idea myths that make no sense to a proto Anglo culture, because they came from Saxons and or Danes, mucking up the original story.(Just a fake example)

>>53957685
Lagiacrus sized.

>>53958914
Unconfirmed. It is possible she is lying in wait for the (now non-canon) Final Battle(tm).

>>53958974
>>53958914
she just walked alway one day and disappeared

>>53958974
I though the dagor dagorath was still canon but without the good guys being destined to win it.

>>53958990
To be fair if she is a creature of everlasting darkness it's possible she was merely just a shadow of reality in the first place.

Which also suggests a root cause of Melkor's corruption.

>>53959002
One of the author's relatives said Tolkien didn't fancy it anymore apparently.

>>53957728
Silver da best.

>>53958847
She's an ancient entity from outside Arda, that came in when/after the world was sung into being with the Song of the Ainur. An eldritch abomination in perhaps similar fashion to but on a greater order than those dark things gnawing on the roots of the world that Gandalf says the Balrog feared when they landed down there during their fight.

>>53957761
He toppled several mountain peaks that were larger than Mount Everest just by FALLING on them. He was fucking gigantic, even at his lowest approximated sizes.

>>53957782
U
U
U
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Would Gandalf make a better dark lord than Sauron?

>>53957685
It all depends.

>>53957849
So many people in that image are learning the hard way exactly what sex that dragon is.

And it's only going to be worse when they learn what kind of shits that dragon has...

>>53961010
Or impacted at high speed. Learn to physics.

>>53957849
Asia is smothered in dragon pussy.

It's the death they would have wanted

>>53957766
Earandil was a half elf blessed with divine aid from Valinor you dummy. You gotta stop letting your HFY bullshit cloud your thinking

>>53958034
>>53958088
The Noldor and whoever else got to Valinor during the era of the two trees are as close to divine as any of the races of middle earth can get. They sucked up all that divine juice by just laying about

>>53957832
>>53957812
From what I recall of the passage, Durin's Bane was smote upon the mountain, he didn't explicitly destroy it like Ancalagon did.

>>53959024
>>53959002
We all know Sam would one man it, so the battle was fairly pointless anyway

>>53961596
Now there's an apocalypse myth I've never seen before: "The world will be smothered by enormous genitalia descending from the sky."

Honestly, I'm slightly surprised by the fact that no clear analogue comes to mind. It's not as if myths don't get pretty darn obscene...

>>53957854
Awwwww... that's so cute.

Giant Flying cats.
that go apeshit and turn into Godzilla when you're threatened

>>53962049
But they are not divine by nature, without the knowledge and light of a man they'd also get roflstomped by the orcs and their evil armor and eventually their apcs.

>>53957685
Chicken sized dragons kept as intelligent companions by wizards and the occasional king, up to mountain sized.

>>53957685
>How big do you like your dragons?
Big enough to go spelunking in

>>53957685

Record of Lodoss War size.

>>53961010
So he toppled some peaks then, not the entire mountains.

>>53967538
Unbirth is good stuff.

>>53958332
They're angels created by Eru.

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>>53957829

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>>53958537
curses in tolkien are like long term malignant prophecies, examples being the shadow of Melkor's will following the children of hurin making them fuckups, the curse Frodo put on Gollum (helped along by providence), or Mandos' pronunciation of Doom upon the Noldor. The oath of the children of Feanor also is a pretty good example, as with the curse on the oathbreakers in Return of the King.

>>53958244
>Humans
only numenoreans. and even then, only the ones that attacked the ainur

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>>53962049
>Feanor the paranoid swordsmithing, brother threatening, niece plucking, kinslaying apostate of the Valar
>Gets so pissed he eventually fucking explodes
>Divine
I'd tell you to sail back where you came from kinslayer, but your lunatic leader burnt the boats.

>>53958931
I always suspected that Tom Bombadil was Iluvatar's avatar.

>>53958108
Duuuude is that dragonology?

>>53958816

tbf he had already spent a large portion of his power by corrupting reality, thereby making the universe into his "ring"

>>53960044
>that Gandalf says the Balrog feared when they landed down there during their fight.

I hate this meme. Gandalf says nothing of the sort, he just says that there are things below the mountain that sauron doesn't know about and that he won't talk about them. Nowhere does he say that himself or the balrog were afraid of them.

>>53973145
Tolkien explicitly said that Tom wasn't Iluvatar. He's simply a joke - a character from another story who happened to wander into Middle-Earth - and not meant to be of any significance.

That said, Tolkien was a master of writing in such a way that it appeared as if the text was the result of hundreds of authors adding to and interpreting each other's work over centuries.

>>53957722
Reminds me of that guy with the dragon tattoo on his dick.

>>53958879
>Their pride made them jealous of the elves
That was ultimately because of Melkor though, who made Men fear the gift of death that Eru had given them and made them envy the immortality of the Elves. Later Sauron also put it in Ar-Pharazon's head that it would be a great fucking idea to conquer the Undying Lands.

>>53957728
>copper

Copper is pinkish IRL. Why do so many copper creatures look yellow-brown?

>>53980937
because pinkish is gay

>>53980937
Have you ever seen a copper wire?

thank you for releasing me

>>53958480
>and much more "grounded" in 5th century Northern European norms
>grounded
Yes, so grounded that a continent was ruined and sent to a watery grave by the destruction of the War of Wrath. A gigantic Ancalagon not only fits in with this, but also explains how he's death simultaneously ruined 3 mountains bigger than Everest

>>53958847
One of idea I've heard is that she is a product of the discord Melkor created during the singing of creation.
It's also worth noting that the Silmarillion as published is not necessarily correct, it's just how Christopher wanted it to be. In some letter or note Tolkien wrote Ungoliant to be a servant of Morgoth.
Another interesting one is Tolkien's essay Morgoth's Ring, which shows a completely finale to the Siege of Utumno. In this version Morgoth confidently confronts Manwe, only to find, to both of their surprise, that he is now weaker than his brother. Shocked by this, he simply surrenders. Compare this to the book where Tulkas simply slaps his shit.

Point being, a lot of the Silmarillion isn't concrete, and there's often multiple, vague answers to these question

>>53981247
>it's just how Christopher wanted it to be
It's how Christopher thought it was supposed to be at the time. Afterwards he found more of his father's later notes which ended up contradicting many of the things Christopher had put in the Silmarillion, and so he compiled Morgoth's Ring which provide many of these notes in unedited form.

ISILDUR'S BANE?

Would a Albino Black Dragon have a higher chance of surviving than a normal one?
considering everybody thinks that black dragons are evil and scheming.

>>53957685
Slightly longer than theropod dinosaurs, with a wingspan to match.

>>53983336
Dragon behavior being consistent and common knowledge was a mistake

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>>53957849
>no

>>53961596
>your building gets stuck to the dragon before she flies away
>somehow you survive, but it looks like you won't be going back to Earth any time soon

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See attached photo.

My logic is that if a humanoid being has to rely on machinery to believably take it down, it's too big to have a personality of its own.

Dragons are definitely personalities. They need to be able to have face-to-face conversations, taunting party members, and the party needs to be able to anthropomorphize them easily. Humans and dragons need to be able to interact physically with one another, without humans just getting squashed by a continent-sized fire lizard rolling over itself.

If dragons are to humans as cats are to mice, dragons should be 500 times the size of humans by body weight --> 40,000 kg. The extinct Paraceratherium would be a good comparison.

I did have a larger dragon at one point -- a dracolich, in fact. He was about the size of a cathedral, but regularly transported his mind to his golem servants a la Harbinger/Ultron. The final encounter of that campaign took place in his shattered ribcage as the party fought through golems to get to his phylactery/heart.

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>>53957685
Fucking children's card games

>>53958088
I wonder if Eliwood ever found out that he fucked Nergal's daughter.

For settings, D&D's range over age is fine. For stories and daydreams...
>Dragons come in three main sizes, dubbed Minor, Lesser, and Greater
>
>Minor Dragons (sometimes referred to as "a Bag of Holding with wings and scales" or simply "hammerspace dragons") are scarcely larger than a small cat
>In spite of their small stature, Minor Dragons are able of consuming pretty much anything that they don't think can injure their tough insides - coins, hot dogs, small animals, bicycles...
>Unlike the other two dragons, they seem unable to learn to speak; there is debate over whether they are still as smart as humans
>As the debate is unresolved, Minor Dragons are popular pets, being clean, receptive to certain training, and good companions
>They often have to be taught not to eat their owner's valuables, and/or to regurgitate swallowed items (relatively nontraumatic) and enjoy their belly and throats being rubbed, from inside and outside
>
>Lesser Dragons are roughly the size of wolves, longer necks letting their heads be just short of humans'
>They are social and easily as intelligent if not more than humans, and often find a place in a human/dragon society
>Hatchlings and small children are generally warned by their parents that humans shouldn't eat raw meat, and dragons shouldn't eat vegetables
>Many Lesser Dragons enjoy having their muzzles and bellies gently rubbed, though the latter is considered inappropriate in public
>Human/Lesser relationships are rare, infertile, and sometimes shunned, but very few places outlaw it
>
cont.

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>>53987959
>Greater Dragons often stand taller than a two-story building, and unlike the other two breeds, have a large blade on the end of their tails
>They don't seem to need to eat, although some do for pleasure
>Many of them feel humans to be "beneath" them, deigning to talk only to other dragons
>They tolerate humans, so long as the humans don't treat them as their equal or lesser
>Strangely, there has been at least one case where a Minor Dragon temporarily swallowed a Greater to protect his owner
>It is unknown if the Greater was truly overpowered or merely didn't wish to harm a dragon who meant them no harm
>No Greater Dragon has ever been known to take a human for a mate
>There are rumors of one or two treating their worshipers as sex toys, however these claims are wholly without evidence
>Humans who pry too close to a Greater Dragon's personal life are almost always crushed, burnt, eaten, or fatally thrown to the ground

>>53957766
>>53957790
No. Ancalagon's size is never stated anywhere in the Silmarillion. The one sentence which people derive his supposed size from is the one that mentions how mountain tops shattered as he was cast down upon them, but 1) that is still incredibly vague and it's never specified what it actually means, and 2) Tolkien often used figurative speech in his books, for example:
>"Gandalf came flying down the steps and fell to the ground in the midst of the Company."

>>53961010
Smaug was only slightly smaller than the Tunguska asteroid, according to most estimates.

>>53971582
Agreed
>TFW you'll never have to run a solo dungeon just to impregnate your dragoness waifu

>>53962143
There's one Polynesian myth stating that the world was created when some god or another forcibly separated Mother Earth and Father sky from their eternal embrace. It stands to reason that when the world ends, they're going to have one hell of a celebratory phase after an eternity of blue-balling.

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>>53988040
I like the Lesser and Greater, but what's up with the Minor dragons?
Is it some sort of fetish thing? Like, tiny dom?

>>53988497
Both Toothlesses are great. I wish there was a movie for the books, though; so few people know about the Garden dragon.
>REAL T-t-toothless brave! Me smarter! Me sleeker! N-not at ALL this clumsy, ugly, s-STUPID giant l-lizard!
>And MY Hiccup clever, and good with his c-claws, and can t-talk Dragonese. Much better Hiccup th-th-then dumb N-NEWT's!

>>53957685
I just say that they're ageless and never stop growing. If one lives long enough, it's quite possible for it to end up galaxy sized.

>>53957685
mosquito size

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>>53957685
>How big do you like your dragons?
Anywhere in this range, but not outside it (unless we're talking about babies or something the PCs aren't expected to fight).

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>>53957685
This big.

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>>53957718
Anon please tell me more of your setting especially in regards to the whole world made of a dragon corpse not being the biggest one thing.

Shit sounds pretty fucking huge already but is your biggest dragon Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann size?

>>53983336
Not really. Anyone in a swamp or forested region would probably still know dragons are generally smart and really dangerous. They wouldn't have heard of white dragons from far to the north that are as dumb as a post.

Unless the dragon is willing to fully commit to the deception by practicing ice magic to make itself seem like a white dragon, then being albino won't do much except ruin its camouflage in dark murky swamps in exchange for being somewhat less visible in cloudy skies during the day.

>>53986197
This is basically why intelligent dragons in my setting don't come in much bigger sizes than elephants, but unintelligent behemoths also exist. There's also the fact I'd like to retain, at least in principle, the possibility players could play a dragon if they really wanted to.

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>>53993641
>There's also the fact I'd like to retain, at least in principle, the possibility players could play a dragon if they really wanted to.
>Flying elephant sized PC a genuine possibility

>>53957728
I have never fully gotten in Paizo's redesigns for the dragons, especially the Metallics. I was born on the 3rd edition designs, I'll die on them.

>>53994147
Greens and blues are cooler than their 3rd edition counterparts

>>53994041
I'll admit, I'd probably suggest something closer to the size of a horse for it, as a general thing. And that would probably be most of their character-building points right there.

>>53985356
>portrait of Larry Ellison circa 2010

>>53957685
Guys, I'm going for a psudeo 1900's dieselpunk space fantasy setting. How do I do my dragons?

>>53994477
German.

>>53994477
M U S T A R D G A S B R E A T H E

>>53994493
The Allies retaliate with Ketchup Griffins.

>>53994477
Robber Baron Industrialist, his factories make The Jungle look like Disneyland.

Now canon for sure:

>>53994493
Also, chemical warfare and "mustard gas" containers are synthesized dragon breath.

>>53994477
Have them chew coal and drink oil and spew tar and smog and flame

>>53994673
I'm not sure if I want them to be sentient or not, or if they can travel through space or not. Etc.

I know there will be your typical spacewhales hunted for the mcguffin energy source that allows FTL in the big submarine spacecraft, and I was toying with the Dragons being the natural predators of them. Yay or nay?

>>53994855
Dragons don't eat space whales. They eat highly metallic asteroids. Clanking space subs would be draconic pizza delivery.

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>>53994890
These must be pretty fucking big dragons then, yeah?

>>53994926
I figure a few hundred feet to half a mile long. Much bigger than that and they would run out of asteroids.

>>53957685
Bigger than a city bus, but, you know, smaller than A FUCKING CONTINENT

Jesus fucking christ, Tolkien.

>>53957685
Smaller than most, I'd say. In my D&D games, I don't like winged dragons being bigger than huge (with maybe a few gargantuan exceptions), wingless dragons larger than gargantuan, which leaves colossal for sea serpents.

However, I kinda like how fftactics had dragons being roughly horse sized. But overall, what I said in my first paragraph.

>>53958746
>>53958816
>Ungoliant became so powerful that it took numerous Balrogs to beat her down
>her strongest offspring was killed by a midget with a letter-opener and a magical chemlight

>>53997035
>underestimating Sam
Not her fault, not your fault.

Many people do, and it is their last mistake.

>>53993372
I don't quite recall what this is, but it evokes concern and discontent in me.

>>53958052
L-lewd!

>>53994964
>but, you know, smaller than A FUCKING CONTINENT
But then how do you explain earthquakes
Checkmate atheists

>>53957718
Dude tell us more, shit sounds lit

>>53994041

Come on man Council of Wyrms was kind of cool.

>>53957829
>newfriend

>>53957728
Red
Copper
And Black is the most Aestetic dragons

>>53997288
>SPOING

>>53957735

> county
> OR European nation

Whichever is smaller.

>>53958244
> I never actually read the books

>>53958404
No it's not. You didn't actually read the book, did you?

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EXTRA THICC

>>54001638
Prefer tall and thicc myself

PLANET-SIZED

>>53957685
Big enough for vore

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>>54004210
>planet dragon fucks the Marianas Trench
>massive floods and earthquakes
>somehow impregnates the earth

>>54006011
>dragoness prefers the poles her offerings are tied to to be smooth, ideally plastic or metal
>sacrifice and post both pass though her "lips" several times
>when she's done, the pole remains
>the sacrifice is gone
>and the dragoness walks away, humming happily or purring

>>54007653
>>and the dragoness walks away, humming happily or purring
Perfect

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>>54006011
>>54007653
>>54008202
You people should be put down

>>54007653
>>54008202
>The time between when she demands offerings vary widely, sometimes weeks, sometimes months, sometimes just days
>It's often a subject of debate by the local villagers, offer it too soon and she doesn't bother, take too long and she gets angry, yet try as they might they can't figure out what pattern she follows
>The answer though is simple really, not all sacrifices are as durable as the others
>She has a few magic trinkets set aside from her hoard on the rare occasion she's given one she becomes particularly fond of
>At those times, the sound of her purring rumbles down from her lair near nonstop while it lasts, letting the villager know her "hunger" will be sated for the next few decades

Also your pic is making me think it's some sort of blue dragoness

>>54007653
More like the second one if you get the chance?

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>>54012155

At birth they start off the size of puppies and then by age 100 they're a house then 1000 a castle then 10000 a city then 100000 a county then 1000000 a country then 1000000000 half the world.

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>>54012212

>>54012212
That's a bit too big

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>>54001638

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>>53985356

>>54012052
Will give it a shot.
also bump

>>54016261
Looking forward to it

>>53957685
Bigger than a breadbox

>>54007653
>tfw no qt velociraptor to ride

>>54021072
>TFW no qt velociraptor to ride you

>>54021072
>the velociraptor immediately collapses, unable to support more than five times her own weight
>still pinned underneath your backside, she looks up with a sad and slightly pained expression, as if asking why you would do this to her

>>54021325
Modified raptor, then. Smartass.

>>54021325
I was assuming one of the Jurassic park style ones

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>>54012052
>you stare into the distance, idly pushing against the few small ropes that bind you to the thick, shiny pole
>come to think of it, this was very different from most dragon sacrifices you've heard of
>the pole was smooth metal, not wood, and you could barely wrap your arms around it
>...well, if your arms weren't trapped by your sides
>there was, again, very little rope around you, though it was deceptively strong
>and then there's the sacrifice
>male, and volunteered, rather than female and screaming
>honestly, you didn't see much of a future for yourself
>and as "ways to go", uh, went, being eaten by a dragon sounded pretty badass
>you just wish it would show up already
>for near on half an hour longer, you stand by the pole, to the complaint of your feet and joints
>a large shape moves through the sky in the corner of your vision
>turning to look, you see deep red scales and leathery wings
>it flies, glides, lands, and walks towards you with surprising grace
>the dragon lowers its head next to you and takes a few, curious sniffs
>you find yourself looking into its large, golden eyes
>rather than terror, however, this inspires a sense of calm
>you'd heard dragons could mess with people's minds, after all
>though, this one didn't seem like it would do so with malicious intent
>it slowly opens its jaws, and a warm, humid gust of wind washes over you
>its long, pink tongue comes out and begins to spiral up you and the metal pole, slathering both in warm, wet drool
>with its initial taste over with, it looks at you for a moment, then flicks its tongue out again, letting the forked ends slap against your face
>almost looks like it's smiling
>the dragon then turns around and takes a few steps away
>wait, is it rejecting you?
>irrationally indignant, you call out to the massive dragon
>you're perfectly tasty, so get back here and eat you, dammit
>in response, the dragon simply sticks its tongue out at you and raises its tail over you
>correction
>HER tail

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>>54026604

>between her legs, there's a very visible opening in her scales
>in contrast to her deep red, it's a light pink
>and it's absolutely glistening
>awestruck, you watch as the dragon lines up her pussy with the smooth, metal pole
>she goes slowly, her arousal dripping down and mixing with her saliva
>the heat radiating from her slit grows as she sinks, and the intoxicating scent of her lust soon drives out all others
>though hesitant to admit it, the one you're tied to isn't the only stiff pole around
>as the edges of her "lips" meet your head, you close your eyes and take a deep breath
>her soft folds glide over your head with ease, though you hear what sounds like a moan from the dragon
>the sweet heat crawls down your chest, holding you firmly about the midsection before she stops her advance
>without warning, she rocks forward and back slightly, rubbing you against her soft inner walls
>at the end of one of these shifts, she clenches tightly around her toy
>to your mild horror (tempered by her mind-addling scent), she squeezes your breath from you
>somehow, fortunately, you find yourself able to breathe
>it's difficult, and hard to concentrate with the lewd squishing, moaning, and what you assume is her tail tapping against the ground
>without warning, your legs are quickly surrounded with the dragon's warmth
>you half-hear, half-FEEL her large, scaly rump and tail smack against the ground
>the dragon's moan fades into a low purr, rumbling the soft, sweet pussy around you
>steadily, her inner muscles squeezing more gently against you, she slowly releases her toy
>you blink at the sudden light, coughing and gasping at the cool air, and shivering from the same
>absolutely covered in copious slippery juices
>as you adjust to your surroundings again, you notice the dragon looking at you, having turned to face you
>she points at you, then pokes her claw against your chest
>with that claw, she then slices through your bindings with ease

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>>54026622

>you consider fleeing, but those claws look dangerous
>plus, you'd already resigned yourself to a fate of "dragon sacrifice"
>speaking of which, the dragon has turned around again
>you had a feeling you knew what was going to happen
>looking up, you confirm your theory with the sight of her dripping slit
>out of the corner of your eye, you catch her grinning at you
>her sharp fangs make it more terrifying than reassuring
>suddenly, the smothering heat of her pussy envelops you in one go
>it seems the dragon wasn't finished with you
>the slippery, soft walls glide up and down around you as she thrusts herself against the metal post and your body
>her juices floods over you, a near-torrent of draconic arousal
>instinctively, you struggle against her movements, though her body keeps your arms against your sides
>a louder moan creeps in over the wet, squishing noises of her flesh pressing over and against you
>the dragon begins to clench and unclench around you in a rhythm, as though trying to pull you deeper
>unnoticed by your panicked mind, you're gradually lifted up the pole, sliding along on her copious cum
>all of a sudden, her inner walls squeeze tightly around you, threatening to suffocate you in a moment of absolute bliss
>waves of great pressure constrict you as the beast cums
>her powerful roar is easily heard inside her pussy
>the dragon's climax fades fortunately before you black out from lack of air, but her tight, wet genitals still hold you firmly
>slowly, deliberately, the metal pole slides away from you, leaving you trapped deep inside her body
>you feel her move, jostling you slightly with each step, then more as she leaps to the sky and flaps her wings
>well, you'd been kidnapped by a dragon
>definitely not the way you thought it'd happen
>though, not unpleasant
>with nothing to do until your captor sets you free, you begin to explore and rub parts of her sensitive pussy you can reach
>as it turns out, dragons can purr

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I don't like to post smut without contributing, so here's some pictures of dragons whose settings I like.
This is from The Dragon Next Door, which I wish would keep getting translated as I can't read Korean.

>>54026604
>>54026622
>>54026641
https://pastebin.com/gHN1vSUA

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>>54026659
And this is Temeraire, an adorable, funny, and somewhat rational dragon from the Napoleonic Wars. 9/10 would recommend, though Novik keeps trying to push "this is how dragons could be biologically accurate" for... not much reason.
Just let dragons exist. There's dragons. How do they work? They work by dragoning.

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>>54026686
These little guys are by SixthLeafClover, previously seen in the "Little Chefs" series.
There's not much about them, but pretty much a group of adorable, tiny dragons make themselves a veritable feast. White dragon is the head chef, others have their own roles and personalities. Here, they're joined by some noodle dragons, who are probably much more experienced at sushi.

One of the dragons just learned a very important lesson about wasabi.

>>53957728
I've been wondering- do the Chromatic and Metallic dragons 'pair off' in a sense? Do certain types of each have rivalries/hate each other most of all? I know the breath weapons aren't as clear cut in the metallics so it isn't as obvious, but I was debating including ten feuding ancient dragons as major players in a setting I'm working on.

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>>54026722
And finally, this is Dunkelzahn - not wholly accurate, but still a cute dragon in a tie. I haven't gotten to play Shadowrun (schedule a shit), but the setting seems really neat and I always enjoy reading /srg/'s greentexts.

Dump over, apologies for posting a lot.

>>54026604
>>54026622
>>54026641
Nice

>>54026659
Huh, been meaning to catch up on that, didn't know the translator stopped

>>54026750
Yes, if my memory is right blues and brass hate each other, I think white and silver might have a similar relationship, other than that I think it's mostly just a dislike of the other type, though I think red and gold are the only ones that will directly try to take on ones of the same age category simply due to power difference from the rest

>>54026884
>Nice
Thanks! I'm probably gonna eat a 3-day ban for it, but it's a fine price to pay for the wonderful inspiration this board gives me.

>didn't know the translator stopped
Hasn't had an English update in at least a year, but I've heard it's still ongoing in Korean. Granted, it's possible the source I've been using stopped updating, but unlikely.

>>54026764
Goddamn, but Shadowrun would be so fucking amazing if the devs weren't idiots.

The guy was a TALK SHOW HOST. I would buy an entire book series based around JUST THAT. But no, then he had to run for PRESIDENT. And he won. HE WON.

And then he died, and the devs still haven't explained how or why.

I fail to see how the private sector-public sector conflict of Lowfyr vs Dunkelzahn was less viable a setting idea than the hopeless garbage they have now.

>>54026997
>but it's a fine price to pay for the wonderful inspiration this board gives me.
I for one am glad you consider it worth it, and only regret I'm too stressed to come up with any ban worthy ideas myself right now

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>>53957685
Thick and easily bribed with food.

>>54027383
Dragoness booty?

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I like my dragons irresistably sexy.
So, normal dragons I guess.

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>>54013056

I like them in a variety of sizes....

What I DONT care for is the adherence to the moral alignment system based on color....or adherence to it at all.

The settings that portray intelligent dragons also tend to portray them as being extremely individualistic, and able to obtain power rivaling the gods, yet separate from whatever pantheons are in play.

Alignments ought to be left to the gods, and the dragons ought to eschew that as a separate kind of power.

When a paladin casts something like know alignment, it should go off, be give back a reading that is confusing and alien, or a null emptiness.

>>54001638
I've heard that there are people that would not a Lucoa. I've never met one in person, and I'm sure I don't want to.

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>>53957829

>>53972511
>Tfw you'd fuck that stuffy look off the Dark Lord's face

>>54022087
Why not go bigger?
https://e621.net/post/index?tags=parent%3A711555

>>53958088
Why does so much human on dragon sex happen in FE?

>>54029168
They all have human forms that have more screentime and importance than their dragon forms, so it's okay.

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>>53980937
oxidation my man

>>53988642
Ranginui the Sky Father and Papatuanuku the Earth Mother were in constant embrace and this made their children want freedom so they forced them apart.

t. A Maori

>>53994477
Look up the book Death Scent. It's a random book but covers mechanical creatures okay

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Able to swallow a large whale the way a small bird catches a herring.

>>53997807
Too much shit sticking out of their heads. I'm partial to blue, green and bronze.

>>53957973
How is it obviously wrong?

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>>53994147
I'm old school, which is admittedly a mixed bag.

>>53957728
I like this Gold better than most depictions in D&D

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>>54028712

>>54028712
>>54030536
It is oddly sexy

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Mechanical.

Generally I like them about the size of a large house. Big enough that fighting one is a terrifying prospect, small enough that a hero could triumph.

Sometimes I like to go full Godzilla with them, but that's not the kind of thing even heroes can fight directly.

>>53994477
You've got three ways to go with this. First, mechanical monstrosities, spewing thick clouds of black smoke from their back like wings. Second, frightening beasts who tend to make their home between the stars. Third, classic dragons adjusted to fit the aesthetic, like >>53994493 suggests.

>>54026604
>>54026622
>>54026641
Well, that's a new fetish. Good thing you can apparently magically breathe inside a dragon.

>>53957685
After playing lots of Monster Hunter, I'd say somewhere between 20 and 40 meters.

most of them are wyverns, but still

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CUTE!!!

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>>53957728
currently building me a red dragon, to check out my progress check my yt channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClt7-9Xzj5uteEF91BPXZTQ?view_as=subscriber

I like a range of sizes, they hatch about the size of a medium dog and quickly grow to the size of a bear. An adolescent would be around the size of an elephant and an adult is larger than a house. They never stop growing.

>>54034443
Wtf is even that? A SM fleshlight?

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>>54034443
Neat! Is this a reference to something or just a cool looking wooden pistol?

>>54033041
They ARE innate spellcasters
>YFW as hours spent inside her pleasuring her turns to days, you realize you're not getting hungry or thirsty either

>>53958052
holy shit my fetish I can't believe this

>>54034484
>some humans think the world revolves around them
>for one very, very ancient dragon, it actually does

>>54036175
He looks like an alchemy master who's disappointed in his pupil.

>>54036393
>spending so long exposed to the dragoness's magic and body has slowly begun to alter yours

Captcha: calle calle

>>54037150
>>spending so long exposed to the dragoness's magic and body has slowly begun to alter yours
>Gain dragonic longevity and a few other enhancements
>All the better to keep pleasuring your mistress

>>54037150
>months later, emerge as a baby dragon
>learn that this is how they naturally reproduce
>there are no male dragons

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Fuck, I love dragon threads on this board.

>>54037594
>>a few other enhancements
>weak breath weapon, same type as your mistress
>tougher skin, eventually a scaly hide
>darkvision
>a large, ridged cock
>resistance to crushing injury
>heavily increased endurance

>>54038047
>the experience is akin to a deep sleep
>new-hatched dragons can read, but cannot speak non-draconic nor can they write
>this is due to unfamiliarity with their bodies rather than a mental issue
>dragons occasionally seek another to re-lay them as an egg once more
>this is a very intimate and trusting activity
>for this reason, dragons often have knowledge far beyond their apparent age.

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THICC

>>54038744
>>tougher skin, eventually a scaly hide
>>darkvision
>>resistance to crushing injury
>>heavily increased endurance
>Perfect for your new job

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>>54027869

Up to 50 feet long with 60 - 70 wingspan as a maximum, with some starting in the 'medium' range. Size is only a deficit after a point.

In game I have a 'build-a-dragon' that produces ones based on CR, but not cookie cutter or color-coded.

>>53957685
most adult dragons range between the size of a horse at the small end and at the large size about the size of a 2 or 3 story house, of course there are Dragons both bigger and smaller than that range

>>54038813
Do not sexualize.

>>53988642
>>53962143
That also Greek mythology or have you never heard of the myth of Atlas and the separation of Ouranos and Gaia, AKA Uranus and Terra AKA Father Sky and Mother Earth?

>>54041113
Got a link to it somewhere?

>>54041586
Didn't Egyptians have something similar?

>>53957685
i typically wouldn't go heavier than say a sauropod, excluding titanosaur. Things the size of Anacalagon don't work in the fantasy realms I prefer. Not saying they don't work at all, the Silmarillion had a real biblical/mythical feel, even more so than LotR. Kind of reminds me of shit like the World Serpent.

>>54046090
There's Apep, the giant snake who embodies chaos.

captcha: call Rance

>>54048270
I meant like Nut and Geb

>>53957829
Did you just criticize his newness?

>>53957685
Colossal size to be honest

>>54038744
>your first encounter with adventurers ends poorly
>you never had much experience of fighting, and they came well prepared for hunting a young dragon
>once you're subdued, they say they have no interest in killing you
>in fact, they want you as healthy as possible for their transformation