Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for Ynnead

https://mega.nz/#!9bBhGaDA!0JoaCNtFINcR1DUI6wYzvWN0VhNa2znSeCeQiXZj4MA
https://mega.nz/#!0eQiCL5R!omFexvKyWIhWZdqBdWV4HIW9ZwQ7dFTFwYmlxF1G9gI
Xenos and guard FW index, please put in the mega

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3rd for 3rd time posting this god damn it

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xth for best chapter master

FW indices up, link was somewhere in the last thread

>>53956142
>The provided key is invalid
Am I retarded, is anyone else getting this?

Anybody else thinking that Tzaangor models are way too large ? They're suppose to be like Tzeentch Cultists, but they're even taller than Scarab Occult terminators, which just looks fucking weird.
Is there an easy way to make smaller copies of models ?

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>>53956142
Fuck yes, thank you. Now I can actually use my Vultures.

Hrud models when?

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>BS3+

THE BBBRRT IS A GO

>>53956142
Holy fuck, death korps marshal's are retardly tough. It takes 10 lascannons to kill just one.

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Strikes me as crappy. Improved durability but the unique weapons are all crap and we aren't hurting for S5 rend 0 platforms in Tau.

>>53956145
>Pedro
How can anyone take them seriously?

>DKOK Death Rider command squad can flank
>but not the normal dudes

Ok makes sense, they're supposed to be skilled vets and shit--

>but neither can the commissar or the death rider commander


???

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n'th for fuck conscripts

Can't get to my laptop for a while, would some kind anon post the Death Rider units beyond the one we already got previewed? Think it's a colonel, a Commisar and a command squad.

Last thread got archived right after I posted.

Any advice on this list?

<Spearhead Detachment>
-HQ-
Chaos Hellwright on Dark Abeyant - Infernal axe, mechatendrils, voidcutter, flamer, soulbruner pistol, Warpfire lance - 178

-Heavy Support-
Hellforged Deredeo Dreadnought - Dual Malignatas saker, Greater havoc launcher, Twin heavy bolter - 233
Hellforged Deredeo Dreadnought - Butcher cannon array, Greater havoc launcher, Twin heavy bolter - 253
Hellforged Leviathan Dreadnought - Grav-flux bombard, Hellforged siege claw, meltagun, hellflamer - 329

<Outrider Detachment>
-HQ-
Chaos Hellwright - Infernal axe, mechatendrils, voidcutter, flamer, soulbruner pistol - 133

-Elites-
Hellforged Contemptor Dreadnought - C-beam cannon, Hellforged deathclaw w/ Soulburner - 209
Chaos Decimator - C-beam cannon, Decimator siege claw w/ Hellflamer - 167
Chaos Decimator - Soulburner petard, Decimator siege claw w/ Hellflamer - 167
Helbrute - Twin lascannon, Power scrouge - 165
Helbrute - Twin lascannon, Power scrouge - 165

Total - 1999
Command Points - 5

>>53956188
vote for kanto

>MALANTHROPES ARE ONLY 90 FUCKING POINTS

GG, nids are top tier army now by far until FW is banned.

>>53956188
By getting a red power fist shoved up their ass.

>>53956121
Why did forge world forget about the renegades and heretics?

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>>53956145
No.

We're also the only ones who's got their Primarch back.

>>53956183
Fuck, my ion canons are shit now.

>>53956223
>has a whole custom army list
>waah they forgot about us
???

>>53956199
Do people really expect to play against memescripts so often to make lists solely to counter them? Nobody at my lgs has ever considered playing them.

>>53956164
They're beastmen, not humans.

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Not sure how I feel about this one.

>>53956223
It's in the IG index, Anon.

>>53956188
You're just jealous that besides his many talents and good character, our chapter master can also dance the flamingo ! Chicks love good dancers. He must be getting ALL the ladies

>>53956172

Heavy Weapons take -1 to fire when moving, even on vehicles. Unless it has a rule to counteract that, it has BS4+ BRRRT.

So is there an example army list out there for 8th edition for say, pure Knights, Skitari, or Legio Custodes?

I haven't played in a while and want to know how things look nowadays before I get shit out of storage.

>>53956225
Calgar admits he's a failure in the Dark Imperium novel.

Would a kind anon be willing to post the Vendetta?

>>53956247
Still better than Pedro.

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>>53956142
fucking epubs.
what can i use to open an epub if i dont want some bloated adware shit on my pc

>>53956245
if it cant hover then how can it ever not move?

>>53956161
Worked fine for me.

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112 points base, 8 points for Heavy bolter, Twin punisher Heavy 40, 40 points. 160 points total.

Vulture is amazing everyone, get ready for the BRRRRRRRRTTT!!!!

>>53956258

There's the rub.

>>53956255
Jesus, if you haven't figured it out by now kys.

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>>53956252

>>53956258
It can't, so it's basically BS 4+ always

>>53956258
It can't.
Eldar crimson Hunter has the same thing.
It now 2+ to hit, so it works out to the normal 3+.

>>53956255
If you use Firefox you can get the Lucifox addon to open Epubs, probably one of the most light-weight options

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>>53956286
thanks mate

>>53956204
Supposed to be a vanguard detachment, not outrider.

>>53956223
They are in the IG FW book. They lost a lot of options though.

>>53956090
It's fucking simple. Units that can have the Ynnari keyword can have the Ynnari keyword. Units that have the Aeldari keyword can still be part of their Ynnari-Aeldari brethren.

Can I please have at least one non meme opinion on the state of troop choices for SM?

I'm having difficulty seeing what's better, melee scouts, bolter scouts, sniper scouts, or tac marines

Wow so Renegades got the royal shaft for 8th. All around shittier than Guard, mostly the exact same points costs. No discounts for their abysmal BS like in 7th. Guess someone at FW didn't like them being so popular in 7th. No worries...no one in their right mind would ever run them over counts-as guard now.

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>>53956252
110p base, 40 points per twin Lascannon. 230p total.

>>53956303
If you have any of the disallowed models in your Aeldari army then everything that doesn't come with Ynnari on the datasheet cannot gain it.

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>>53956216
I suddenly got 110 points freed from my list and I have no idea what to do with it.

>>53956261
Any idea why it wont work for me? The OP links work fine for me.

>>53956282
>>53956319
Thanks

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So what are people's thoughts on these DKoK Orders?

>>53956232
>>53956241
>>53956299
Is it in the mega? I'm not seeing it

>>53956342
Take a second malanthrope, put adrenal glands and toxin on the Tyrant and the Trygon Prime

>>53956188
?

It's a very ancient name

>grav-chute insertion rule for the vendetta states that the models must be placed more then 9" away from enemy models

Doesn't look good for the valkyrie lads.

>>53956349

>Fix Bayonets! is finally an Imperial Guard order

Oh my god.

Hey real quick guys I'm reading through the indexes now and I've just noticed that it doesn't say how many fire points are on the Rhinos or Immolators, does this mean you can't fire any dudes out of them anymore? or am I missing something?

>>53956349
Flavorful and fun.

>>53956216

malantropes are literraly shit tier tho

>>53956366

There it is, diagonally.

Vendetta rules out?

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Hey anons, what's everyone working on tonight?

>pic unrelated

>>53956216

With how poorly edited the indexes are and with literally every other unit being roughly 1 power = 20 points, I can almost guarantee that it's a typo and they're supposed to be 190.

>>53956349
Without Mercy is without a doubt very good due to pistol rules (Being able to fire in melee). Idk about Duty Unto Death though.

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>>53956349
>without mercy

So, Heirophant, Malanthrope, 2x3 rippers, 1x4 rippers.

Malanthrope sits behind the Heirophant while it's making 2 units per turn liquid. Rippers go for objectives starting turn 3.

What beats this? Titan can only kill 3 units a turn, so I guess that helps.

>>53956378
It's also an order for regular IG

It is one of the strong points of 8th edition

So are barbed heirodule and malanthrope the best choices in normal point games compared to their vanilla index counterparts like the venomthrope and exocrine?

Am I the only one who is pissed off at the fact that the fucking Stormbird is the only vehicle able to transport Primaris Marines?

>>53956265

It's aight.

Hitting on 4s agains ground targets unless you hover provides some interesting tactical decisions. It's definitely a horde mulched though.

>>53956142
My nigga.

>>53956382
There are no more fire points on anything anymore. You can't shoot out of transports at all unless they have the Open-Topped ability.

>>53956409

It's long been a meme for Commissars and Officers to shout it in lore, but it seems that until now there has not actually been an Order for it.

>>53956419
Yes.

>>53956386
Are you fucking retarded

>>53956255
Hello 2011

>>53956430
Not true, there is at least one (stormlord)

>>53956245
So? I was afraid it would be a 4+ with +1 to hit ground. I stead it murders planes, too.

The question is: dual hell fury or dual missile launcher?

>>53956397
Yeah that has to be the case. There's no way that's intentional. I'm not even gonna run these guys until they FAQ that because it's fucking broken.

I'm going to load up on some crusher carnifexes though.

>>53956407
What beats this is deepstriking
I'm not sure which is the better choice, two barbed heirodule or one heirophant

>>53956349
Fun. But losing FRF, SRF is a big blow.

>>53956455
That's a unique ability. Fire Points as a generic game mechanic are gone.

Anything in the FW Index that would make it worthwhile to use Krieg Grenadiers in Storm Chimerae rather than Scions in Tauroxes Prime?

>>53956488
10-4

>>53956338
Yep, so you have Ynnari units, and non-Ynnari Aeldari units in the same army. Simple.

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>>53956430
Repressor has 6.

>>53956216
Still useless tho.

>>53956392
How do you mean

>>53956504
The only Ynnari units you can take then are the Triumvirate special characters.

TANTALUS
So someone in the last thread said the tantalus was 350 points. Is there confirmation on that? I mean it certainly got more beefy.

Holy fuck malanthrope are 90 points instead of 200?

>>53956548
Yeah it literally has to be a mistake

>>53956548
see >>53956397

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DISCUSS

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Thoughts on Elysian Orders?

Giving Assault to heavy weapon teams seems extreme strong, and Hold the Line is a nice excuse to not take Commissars.

I guess since the DKoK Command platoon is now effectively folded into each Squad, that's why Grenadiers were pulled off the FW website. Hopefully they're resculpting and repackaging them.

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>>53956368
63 points left over.

>>53956548
Yes. Its total fucking bullshit. But that's normal for Forge World

>>53956526

Sorry, ancient meme from before the Age of Memes.

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Can a kind soldaten post the rules/cost for the imperial Lightning Strike Fighter?

>>53956562
>>53956564
Must be otherwise I'm putting 2 minimum in every list I ever make until next season when they get a justified price adjustment

>>53956567
its true tho

>>53956517
How does it feel to be the actual living breathing retarded example of why people say /tg/ is bad at games.

>>53956396
>mfw when egg vibe up the butt all day

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>>53956396

>90 point W9 characters that give a -1 to hit bubble and armywide reroll 1s if they win combat

What the hell forgeworld do you hate fun

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>>53956216
I cant Download right now. hows this guy and the crusher carnifex looking ?

>>53956567
Well meme'd, my good sir! *tips*

>>53956634
Crusher is cheap as fuck and really solid

>>53956349
Do you have the rest of their rules?

renegades rules please

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>>53956634
Really good.

The Hammerhead variants look okay, the Fire Support using the heavy burst cannons though looks nasty

Epub a shit
Can someone post how renegades and heretics works? Do they get the gsc thing? Special rules?? How do chaos covenants work??

>>53956396
>square bases
aaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>53956680
>wound rolls of 6 get double strength

what does it mean

>>53956535
No, you can make everything outside the restricted units Ynnari. Read the rules.

i cant open those epub for whatever reason
i just want to know about those fw wraithknights and the revenant titan

>>53956689
they get to take some AM units and change their keyword to chaos

>>53956634
Crusher Carnifex is pretty amazing. It's exactly the same as a regular Carnifex except with two pairs of Wrecking Claws instead of Monstrous ScyTals, and it does D3 mortal Wounds on a 4+ when charging against vehicles/buildings.

Wrecking Claws are the same as Crushing Claws except no -1 to hit, D6 damage instead of flat 3, and they re-roll hits and wounds vs vehicles/buildings with two pairs. One pair re-rolls Wounds only.

>>53956697
>what is 7*2
Retard alert.

Is anyone else getting a broken epub file? All of the data sheets are empty.

>>53956708
If you include the restricted units, you don't have an Ynnari army, and then nothing gains the Ynnari keyword. You read the rules.

Is the lightning strike fighter still a astra militarum unit?

>>53956730
No you stupid fuck.

Wound roll of 6. Think about it for two seconds.

>>53956697
It means Forge World fucked up and mixed up the trigger on the two weapons. The top one should be hit rolls of 6 and the bottom one wound rolls of 6.

>>53956744
can literraly be vaporized by hierophant.

0/10 wont pay 5 hierophant ££££ for that

>>53956497

Anyone?

>>53956309
nope

>>53956730
Why does doubling the strength of the weapon matter AFTER you already rolled the to wound roll?

>>53956143
neat

>>53956349
>Duty unto death!
This is the order you use the turn you plan to charge in, since they won't gain the benefit of "Without Mercy" or "Fix Bayonets!" until after the first turn of combat. I think this order is both cool and functional. Plus the name is metal.

>Without Mercy
I think this is only really relevant if the squad that is in combat is grenadiers or something else with hot shots. "Fix Bayonets!" has the upper hand though in my opinion. Neat idea and cool call back to the original DKoK rules.

>Forwards, for the Emperor!
Same as AM, I think this is very good.

>Get back into the Fight!
Same as AM, also very good.

>Move! Move! Move!
Same as AM, your boys become sonic!

>Fix Bayonets!
I think this is will be the most used order for DKoK if they have a global 3+ to hit, the only thing holding this order back is that most of your boys might die on the turn they charge in (for the Emperor, of course!).

Overall, I wish they didn't remove "First Rank, Second Rank" but it makes sense fluff wise why they may not have it. I think "Without Mercy" is "Fix Bayonets!" are at odds with one another since you can only order one unit once. I wish "Without Mercy" changed all Rapid Fire weapons to Pistol, I think then it would be a lot better.

>>53956737
What are you trying to read it on? On my iPad I had to take everything off and reload everything and then it worked fine.

>>53956719
Can you give more detail? Thats really vague, so they can take an AM detachment?

>>53956757
Just ran the math, two turns of shooting with Hierophant brings the manta down to 4 Wounds remaining.

>>53956744
I'd love to know how many Manta's FW has sold in total ever.

The number is probably less than 10. That model is like $2000 and no one gives a shit about tau heavy drop ships. At least titans are iconic, so I'm sure they sell pretty well.

>>53956199
only scouts can ride storms you dunce

>>53956567
You missed one
>scribbling your list illegibly on a poorly torn piece of notebook paper and clearly being 50+ points over but "nah, bro, I know my codex".

>>53956778
My PC only wants me to read it on MS Edge, do I need to open it in a different reader?

*the sound of malanthrope and heirophant moulds being poured in China intensifies*

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So.. Shouldn't this be discard highest result? Seeing lots of mistakes in the Eldar rules.

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>thunderer Siege Tank is 2 points cheaper than standard Demolisher before weapons
>smaller
>1 more wound

StuG life.

>>53956782
did you use the ability ?

>>53956497
That they can take orders like the normal Kriegs? and all the things that have to do with being Kriegs?

>>53956789
>he didn't read the op

>>53956789
Yes, I don't use a PC so try readium or kobo like everyone says.

>>53956782
With or without the double Strength from its special rule? I got 40 damage from one turn of shooting with the double Strength.

>>53956796
nvm already wounding on 2

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>>53956801
>>53956803
Oh thanks.

>>53956770
Abilities that check weapon str after wounding.
Can think of at least one.

>>53956783
As a giant meme for rich old men to buy I'm sure it's moved plenty of units.

>>53956796
Oops, nope.

One second...

Consistently kills it on the second turn of shooting then, even with slightly below average rolling.

>>53956161
Try switching the browser. It asks me the key with the Firefox, but not with Chrome

>>53956349
They are really cool, my only problem is the lack of 1 on hits reroll for those plasmas, since i always spam plasmas.

>>53956816
>40 damage
you mathed something wrong, but with the ability it does 35 damage per turn of shooting.

Can someone please post the Renegades and Heretics info?? Cant access the links

How many barbed heirodule amount to a heirophant in terms of damage output?

>>53956816
>>53956856
I forgot about hard-to-hit.

>>53956848
Weird that the other mega links still work. Thanks.

>>53956744
>in 7th you could hit it normally without Skyfire
>in 8th some weapons won't even hit it and everyone has -1 to hit it

glorious

>>53956486
To be fair, anti-sjw are just as annoying as sjw

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>>53956689
Long time renegade player here, super disappointing anon. Covenants are alright I guess, Khorne adds 1 to S on the charge, Nurgle is a 6+ invul against S:4 or lower so shit, Slannesh is 3d6 charges taking the two highest, and Tzeentch is +1 to BS on overwatch. Uncertain worth works the same, in that you roll once you take you'r first test, but it is ONLY D6+2, so you can have a minimum of 3. Militia training isn't even a thing anymore. Also it just feels so lifeless, Guard do our horde job so much easier now, there is no reason to play them really. Only interesting thing is the marauder squads who still have their choice to specialize as Stealthy, Killy, or get Carapace Armour Btw, that is the only way to get carapace now

It's a huge let down for me anon, also the death of Demagogues and their devotions is super sad. I miss my Bloody Handed Reavers already. Also Enforcers are literally just Commissars who kill D3 people instead of 1.

I'm sorry anon. The book is so bland, which I guess is the new theme of 8th I guess.

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this just in the stompa is a fucking unstoppable war machine

>>53956634
>hows this guy and the crusher carnifex looking ?
Pretty good. They lost their resilience and still no access to Glands, but they get pretty nice weapons in return

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>>53956719
See >>53956894

>>53956910
You forgot they're dirt cheap.

>>53956827
People keep posting that image and it always makes me sad :"(

>>53956840
>>53956882
>>53956856
>>53956840

yeah but any kill anywhere on the board near a malanthrope will get the titan reroll 1's..

>>53956927
Because the hat is impossibly large compared to her head

or because you have autism?

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Finished up my first 5 custodes, whatre you guys working on?

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>>53956793
Also this. Does the Felarch have a Lasblaster by default or not?

>>53956894
Fuck, I was worried about that. I figured theyd dumb it down a bit and expand on it with a codex later down the road (yeah fuckin right as if they'd do anything that isnt a fukken space marine) can they ally with guard at least to represent an infiltrated pdf?

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Just found a bunch of old pots in a shoebox. How many of these are retired nowadays?

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r8 my list senpai

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>Tfw Bio Flail autohit in close combat
where da hordes at ?
Marinelets here I come

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>>53956948
Also this. Looks like they copypastad from another profile but didn't change the ability text to reflect the different damage characteristic.

What's stopping me from just calling my Chimeras death korps Chimeras and using it's + armor rule and auto cannon with a normal Cadian army?

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BASED FW SAVING NECRONS

BRB BUYING RESIN

>>53956948
>>53957022

Are you fucking kidding me? Did FW do a rushjob on their own fucking Index?

I don't see the Thunderer Seige tank, nor Maximillian Weissman's Baneblade in the FW Guard index what the fuck?

Are they squatted?

Heavy Burst Hammerhead
257 points with twin heavy burst and 2 gun drones
Heavy 16 Str 6 AP-1 D1 Range 36''

BS 3+
Can get +1 to hit being near Longstrike

Why would you take Riptides when you can take this thing?

>>53957047
>>53957055
what do you think?

>>53956634
The Stonecrusher looks sweet. About the same cost as a normal fex if you give it crushing claws, but far better and more versatile

Heirophant Bio-Titan has a BS of "3" instead of "3+". Does this mean that it only hits on a roll of 3 exactly?

>>53957021
From the way its worded it looks like its the amount of attacks you get, not auto-hitting. This FW Index is REALLY shitty.

>>53957077
of course.
Unless its a full moon. then its autohit

>>53957070
Longstrike gives +1 to-wound, not to-hit.

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>>53956958
>expand on it with a codex later down the road
I'm pretty sure this is all we are going to get for a long time, till Imperium or maybe chaos get another book and we get lumped in.

>can they ally with guard at least to represent an infiltrated pdf?
Pic related is the list of Guard units they can take, and I know the quality sucks, bad epub, but basically it's every guard vehicle ever, so no, you can't bring any actual guard to represent a PDF force or a Bloody Reavers force, the closest we get to that now is Militia squads, which are overcosted conscripts who can take special weapons and Vox casters.If you want any more screen shots just ask anon .To take these you replace the Imperium keyword with Chaos, and instead of the <Regiment> you just are <Renegades and Heretics>.

It's pretty depressing. I think I am just going to run mine as regular guard.

>>53957055
Forge World has been printing gibberish rules for AT LEAST 6 years now.

Hammerhead has Savior Protocols listed when it doesn't even work since tanks aren't infantry or battlesuits

>>53956800

It looks like they can. Does that make them worth it?

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>>53957055
So it would appear. I'm glad I didn't pay for a copy. Also I'm curious how this rule is going to work, because as I read it I could just move my model back and forth without actually going anywhere to activate this ability. If it's actually how far you ended up from your point of origin, that messes with moving around scenery and stuff. Easy enough to interpret as it was intended, but I can see this being a sticking point for RAW players.

>>53957077
No, it is a typo. Their Xenos Index is really, really bad. Read a bit of the thread, there are even bigger mistakes in the Eldar section like >>53957022.

>>53957096
Nope
He gives +1 to hit to nearby hammerheads; he has to himself a +1 to wound vs vehicles/monsters

>>53957118
That's because it can carry Drones and it needs to be on the Drone profile.

>>53956975

Literally all of them

>>53957132
Ooh, you are correct, my bad. Got the two mixed up.

>tfw actually own a hierophant

Besides that, r8 my fremen marines

>>53957166
pretty dank color scheme bro

>>53956975
>>53957149
They still use most or all of those, just rebranded under different names.

>>53957098
Agreed :/
I loved carrying around guardsmen to bolster my imperium, nids and chaos armies using them as an infiltrated pdf force, this update really seems like a rushed job, i wouldve been totally ok if they waited a few more weeks but did a genuinely good job and gave an earnest effort

I would like to see the wraithknights and revenant titan

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>>53957166
I have autism

holy shit, the ork stuff from FW is fucking broken

350 points for a gargantuan squiggoth? holy fuck

110 points for zhadsnark?

sadly the kustom stompa is pants on head retarded at over 1000 points

>>53957121

I'm just not going to play FW models in my 40k games. And I'm pretty disappointed, since I was getting pretty hype about fielding my Achilles Land Raider. Theres just too much bullshit in the Index to deal with.

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WHERE ARE MY REGULAR KRIEG TROOPS

>>53957176

Well no shit they still have such dynamic colors as red, white, brown, yellow, and green. Rebranded, retired, same difference.

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>>53956142
Why would you ever use the macharius vanquisher? the macharius battlecannon does just as much damage and fires way more shots than vanquisher, only slightly less strong but way cheaper

More Eldar leaks

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>>53957187
I wish so too. You can probably talk to your opponent and ask him if you can use Guard models with the Chaos keyword.

I can just tell FW players to piss off right?
Is there anying saying that I have to play vs P2W 3rd party models?

/tg/ how do you motivate yourself to paint?

I can assemble 200 orks in an afternoon and love every second of it.

But the moment I start putting paint to plastic I lose all will to live and end up funposting here rather than actually painting.

>>53957241
airbrush and drybrushing

Can someone say me a good epub reader for PC? or something for the GW/FW epubs? i mostly use the adobe one but it seems the epub looks wrong.

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>>53956316
Don't worry we also lost Renegade Vets and Grenadiers just in case you enjoyed gimping yourself for fun or thematic reasons.

But hey at least they copy pasted the Cultist entry from Index Chaos for us...

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Prepping for our 1st game of 8th tomorrow. My buddy is talking mad shit about his new Trigon all week and how badass it is. Having never used Bullgryn before now, what kind of chance to my boys have to turn it to bug juice?

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>>53957208
Right here

>>53957238
At this point I think I would encourage you to tell FW players to piss off, even though it makes me sad I wouldn't be able to run some of the Tyranid stuff if my group banned it, it's probably for the best all around.

This is just retarded. They spent absolutely zero time testing or balancing these indexes.

>>53957257

Readium is a Chrome plugin that's pretty good.

>>53957267
>They spent absolutely zero time testing or balancing these indexes.
Or proofreading.

>>53957265
...the fucking watchmaster has to be rolled separately when shooting

That's just annoying

>>53957273
chrome is party of googles botnet though I'm not opting into that bullshit.

>>53957238
You can tell any player to piss off for any reason. I do it to knight players.

>>53957294
>boohoo my free sergeant gets a buffed ballistic skill
Just use him to throw the grenade you were gonna roll separately anyways

>>53957294
>what are different colored dice

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>>53956183
>16 shots per model
>93 points
>can be rend 1 with an 8 point upgrade
>crappy
wut

>>53957299

Dunno, bro. Enjoy Adobe?

>>53957053
Is that a sentry or a gauss pylon?

If sentry, how will you kit them out?

So what's the chances that we're getting new models for certain things that are still metal?
I think I saw somewhere that gee-dubs said they are making it a priority to have everything 'standardized'

I also heard that each models rules will now come in it's box, is that a thing that's happening?

>>53957294
>He doesn't have different colored dice
What are you gay

>>53957267
>>53957281

The proofreading is the most disappointing, honestly. It shows they don't give a fuck about 8E or this shit in general.

>>53957241
buyy an airbrush.
200 orcs is like 2 hours for finishing the green + highlight.
then its just the metal bits.

>>53957326
It's Gauss

But I might get Heat Ray Sentry Pylons as well. Deep Strike with 36" d6 Melta? Holy shit yes. Just remove whatever a couple vehicles per turn.

>>53957241
I hand painted 150 Gaunts
Helps me to relax

>>53957331
>So what's the chances that we're getting new models for certain things that are still metal?
They don't have anything metal anymore. They sell resin versions of those molds now.

Any new things that come out will be done in plastic but don't hold your breath for them to update old shit when they've got tons of brand new releases to get through first.

Rules will be included in the boxes now, but only for things that are coming out now post 8th, and they won't include the points.

>>53957331
>I also heard that each models rules will now come in it's box, is that a thing that's happening?

Yes, its been a thing for a couple years now.

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>>53957188

>>53957273
Thanks, though i would like something that don't use the explorer, but well i am going to try it.

>>53957281
It's almost as if all the people at GW are preparing to send their 8ED materials to the printer when someone suddenly asks.

>Hey did anyone ever tell the guys over at Forge World that we're prepping for 8th Edition?

And then some upper management type gets the FW guys on a conference call and tell them

>Hey guys how's it going that's good that's good.
>Listen gents we're going to need you to write a new set of rules for all of your products within the next 2 weeks for our new 8th Edition Warhammer Forty-Thousand tabletop Miniatures Game.

>We'll go ahead and get a copy of the 8th Edition Warhammer Forty-Thousand tabletop Miniatures Game rules sent over to you sometime later this week so you can eye over it and see how 8th Edition Warhammer Forty-Thousand works. I'll make sure to get a copy dropped into the pony this afternoon.

>Cheers guys thanks for getting on this for us we all really appreciate the work you guys do for us here at Nottingham. Take care, buy.

>>53957368
what the fuck.
Really?
I've literally never seen that.

Then again, I play Orks and CSM

So are Possessed and Spawn still garbage tier, or are they actually usable now?

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>>53957361
>They don't have anything metal anymore.
That isn't true, guard regiments are still metal. Tallarns, Vostroyans, Valhallans, Steel Legion, Mordians, and tons of weird guard units and characters are all metal.

>>53957325
Adobe is different. Apple dropped adobe support so there's no way adobe would have a botnet because they need all the support they can get to keep people using their products.

>>53957337
Well the good news is HH will probably be fucking dead soon now that it's not compatible with regular 40k anymore. Half the reason that game was successful was because people could port the legion rules or mechanicum rules over and play against their buddies Orks or Tau or whatever at the LGS. Now their pool of players is restricted only to other HH guys and it will probably increasingly shrink, going the way of the old specialist games like BFG and Epic. Once that happens, FW will realize they can't keep being retards about their 8th edition rules and they'll have to actually put some fucking effort in.

>>53957388
> Spawn still garbage
>Spawn
>Garbage

What is the last edition you played in

>>53957388
Spawn are alright, still very fragile.

Possessed might as well be removed from the CSM line since they'll NEVER be good at this point.

>>53957402
>>53957361
As a specific example, ratlings are metal.
Also you used to only be able to buy 3 from the geedubs online store.
Now that 5 models is the minimum for a unit, they bumped it up to 5, kek.

>>53957388
Spawn were literally the best unit in the 6th ed codex

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>>53957402
>We will never get plastic Vostroyans
kill me now

>>53957402
>Tallarns, Vostroyans, Valhallans, Steel Legion, Mordians, and tons of weird guard units and characters

Are all out of stock, or last chance to buy. Meaning they're completely out of print and simply running down what, if any, stock they have remaining.

>>53957385
This is honestly what it feels like. How you fail to inform a whole division of you business about a sweeping change to your product line in time for a release is beyond me.

>>53957355
cant wait for the opportunity

>>53957402
>>53957433
Weird, I thought they ported literally all the metal stuff on the webstore over to failcast except for the Made To Order shit they were doing.

>>53957265
More Death Korps!

>>53957406
A lot of people here shifted to 30k because it was at least a little more enjoyable to play than 7th 'formations' edition.
Wonder how much play it will see now that 8th is more balanced than 30k

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>Post yfw NPC race become master race

>>53957437
>Be 4th edition I think
>Introduce new guard regiment: The Vostroyan First Borns
>All metal because fuck you for not buying the new plastic cadians instead
>support dropped entirely by 5th edition

Why did they even bother?

>>53957437

You might one day. All GW has to do is produce a plastic infantry, heavy weapon and command box set and an entire regiment is done.

>>53957439
No, anon they were up for a day then sold out. The Vostroyan command squad was up for a week then sold out. They keep producing them. Also Valhallans aren't sold out. They keep restocking them anon.

>>53957471
very sad indeed. yes it was 4th

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>>53957361
>they don't sell anything metal

>>53957437
I have my bets placed that if they do ANY other Regiment in plastic in the future it will be Vostroyans.

>>53957463
>NPC race
I don't know what this means.

>2 command squads
>8 plasma guns
>One Chimera

Yes or no? Seems fun, jump out and roast some motherfuckers with a shitload of plasma.

>>53957489
he means tyranid

>>53957299
IGetThatReference.jif

>>53957454
They were trying to, but they just keep producing Metal regiments for some reason. Thank god guard hasn't been hit by that.

>>53957461

All the big batrep youtube channels that aren't 30k-exclusive will probably keep to 40k. Theres no reason not to, with more 40k products over the horizon.

>>53957498
do that with whatever tempestus rerolls 1 to not get roasted by your own shit

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>>53957437
No, please no. With the new design aesthetics they would most likely ruin vostroyans, they don't fit in with this new cartoony style GW has.

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>>53957485
>that pageboy cut

>>53957471
Same reason they dropped specialist games, they thought they could handle the load but it was too much for them. Probably the same reason why Black Templars were rolled back into the main codex.

5th edition was the time where GW realized they werent big enough to have all these armies, specialist games and codexes AND manage them all in a reasonable ammount of time. The Chapter House debacle was probably a huge wake up call that they had to step it up and they did in 6th and updated all armies and gave them all new models.

>>53957098
I'm torn on regular guard or just rolling with this... given that I already have regular guard, I guess I'll relegate my R&H to a 'for fun art project with occasional table usage'

>>53957457
What do you want?

>>53957509
no you don't. Prove it by explaining it to us, who also get the reference, so that we can verify you're not lying.

>>53957437
there is some awesome resin vostroyans out there, impressibe stuff from black market miniatures

>>53957531
>what are Skitarii and GSC
There are multiple different sculptors on the team, anon, and some of them are god tier still

>>53957554
All of it!

But mainly Karis Verner (or however you spell his name.)

>>53957565
Good point actually, I can only hope. For now I just have to buy one-pose metal models and convert I guess.

>>53957562
All 3rd party shit looks like ass. All of it.

>techpriests can repair vehicles
>techpriests are slow as balls on an icy day
>techpriests can't repair vehicles while riding a transport, or buy any sort of movement speed upgrade.
>despite being degenerate technophiles

Why? Their only purpose is to support a static gunline of vehicles closely clumped together, which is a retarded way to use vehicles. That basically only applies to artillery like basilisks.

>>53957498
Why not three squads? chimera has 12 slots

sure you lose out a commander to reroll 1s but 4 more plasma

FW raped my Eldar Corsairs. No HQ choices? No heavy weapons team? No elite teams? Vehivles can't have <Coterie> keyword.

>>53956984
>Having anything but Boyz and shit to move/buff Boyz
Get a load of this newfag.

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>>53957572

Whats the biggest, baddest Titan the Eldar have? I would like to see the new rules for it but the epub doesn't work for me.

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Is this a decent list?

>>53957531
that's true, they deserve to keep that place in time. RIP blanche style at GW.

Whats the size comparison of a Squiggoth to a Mumakil from GW? Is small or gargantuan one closer to its size?

>>53957599
Fortifications are keyworld Vehicle

RENEGADE COMMANDER AND MALEFIC LORD PLEASE

>>53956740
You have an Ynnari army, with Aeldari allies. Stop making up imaginary restrictions.

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>>53957618
Phantom

>>53957559
Some bloke flipping out and derailing a few threads when someone suggested readium. A copycat did the same whenever anyone mentioned chrome for a little while. Had some crazy chrome conspiracy theories. Had a few Pepsi genetics level diagrams to go with it.

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What do you think of my Guard list lads?

HQ
Company Commander - 30
Laspistol - 0
Chainsword - 0
= 30

Lord Commissar - 50
Bolt Pistol - 1
Power Sword - 4
= 55

Elites
4 man Command Squad - 24
Medi-Pack - 10
Vox Caster - 5
2 Plasma Guns - 14
= 53

10 Tempestus Scions - 90
5 Hot Shot Lasguns - 5
4 Plasma Guns - 28
Hot Shot Laspistol - 1
Chainsword - 0
Chimera Dedicated Transport - 75
2 Heavy Bolters - 16
= 215

Troops
10 man Infantry Squad - 40
Plasma Gun - 7
Heavy Bolter - 8
Vox Caster - 5
= 60

(6 of these units all identical)

Fast Attack
Hell Hound - 73
Heavy Bolter - 8
Inferno Cannon - 20
= 101

3 Armoured Sentinels - 120
3 Plasma Cannons - 45
= 165

Heavy Support
3 team Heavy Weapon Squad - 12
3 Lascannons - 60
= 72

Leman Russ Battle Tank - 132
Battle Cannon - 22
1 Lascannon - 20
2 Heavy Bolters - 16
= 190

Leman Russ Battle Tank - 132
Battle Cannon - 22
1 Lascannon - 20
2 Heavy Bolters - 16
= 190

Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment

Lord of War
Baneblade - 430
Baneblade Cannon - 0
Autocannon - 15
Demolisher Cannon - 40
3 Twin Heavy Bolters - 42
2 Lascannons - 40
= 567

Total: 1998

>>53957650
Nice, thanks!

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>heavy gun drones somehow even worse than before
what was I expecting?

>>53957649
There are no more allies. Your army is all of the models you bring to that match, across all of your Detachments. It says you cannot include X restricted guys in an Ynnari army. If you include them in your army, at all, in any Detachment, then you are not an Ynnari army, nothing gains the Ynnari keyword or the Strength from Death special rule.

>>53957420
...Its been a while...

>>53957421
I'm surprised they didn't return random gifts to them, like the Spawn.

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>>53957540

What is a "vectorium"? Specifically a Death Guard vectorium? It was cited on a (today's?) Duncan video but I can't find an explanation for what it means in lore.

So FW winners and losers?
Nids look happy

For Tau:
Taunar-Battlesuit keyword makes this thing crazy
Hammerhead variants are great
Healing drones good
Y'Vahra looks solid
Manta meme maintained

FW HQ units, why bother?
Heavy gun drones, meh

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>>53956744
if you actually buy this model, instead of rules it should come with a signed note from the GW CEO just saying 'do what you want'

>>53956412
not sure about the hierodule/exocrine.
But no to the venomthrope and malanthrope, they're different enough that you'll want both together. Venomthropes are for escorting infantry, malanthtopes want to hang with the big monsters.

>>53957686
Show me where this made up "army" definition is in the rulebook. Because as far as the BRB is concerned, all you need is a single common faction keyword. You don't lose AELDARI when you turn your viable units into YNNARI.

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Does this look like a good list to run? These are just with the models I have, so I'm not really going to change anything at the moment other than wargear configurations. I just want a nice, basic army to use for my first time playing the game.

Combi-flamers for the sergeants instead of combi-melta because of the fact that flamers automatically hit, and you can fire both parts of a combi-weapon with a -1 to hit, so basically there's no reason not to always fire both parts of a combi-flamer since the flame part is what's important, while you also get two extra bolter shots at BS 4+ (because bolters would be at half range whenever anything is close enough to be flamered)

>>53957723
this.

>>53957684
Yeah, for comparison you could get 3 gun drones for 24 points and get 4 more shots and the same number of wounds, while also being 14 points cheaper.

>>53957593
they are recast of metal models in RESIN, cleaner with sharper details.

Learn to understand next time.

>>53956314
Literally anything is better than Fire Prisms.

>>53957725
It has nothing to do with losing the AELDARI keyword which you just made up no one even said that happened, and everything to do with the rules for YNNARI in the Xenos 1 index.

You cannot gain the YNNARI Keyword in the first place, unless every unit in your army has AELDARI and IS NOT one of the restricted units. If you bring any of those restricted things, you do not gain YNNARI. You stay as AELDARI. You get no Strength From Death.

Thanks for the Revenant, can you show the Skathach wraithknight please

>>53957772
Restricted units cannot gain the YNNARI keyword, everyone else - which happens to be in your AELDARI army - can gain it. So you have a mix of YNNARI and AELDARI units. The restricted units just don't get to Soulburst.

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>>53957717
krieg have a slightly better order and ignore morale in shooting

i was hoping theyd stand out a bit more
evven all their gear is largely the same

>>53957723
>Venomthropes are for escorting infantry, malanthtopes want to hang with the big monsters.

But malanthrope is a W9 character, why can't he escort an infantry blob? He can hide just like a prime.

>>53957712
>Vectorium
as in disease vector

>>53957629
drop pods don't work for dreads anymore

>>53957262
Can we have a rule about not posting horrible, thick paintjobs all the time?

>>53957797
No, it doesn't say the restricted units don't gain the keyword, read the fucking rules. It says any units except the restricted units can be included in an Ynnari army, and if they are, they gain the YNNARI keyword.

If you include any of the restricted units, you are not an Ynnari army, because that's illegal, so nothing gains the keyword.

>>53957629
Not enough bodies to hold back a serious horde.

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>>53957717
>So FW winners and losers?
>Nids look happy
The Malanthrope, Dimachaeron, and Stone Crusher Carnifexes all look like great, viable units. The Hierodules are genuine Knight equivalents now and our Hierophant can actually kill Titans now. But the odd-one-out is the Harridan. Its double the points of a Barbed Hierodule but it doesn't bring anything to justify the doubling in points. Its actually kinda really bad, pic related.

>>53957684
>>53957758

Yep
Whhhhyyyyyy, guess no one buys them so they don't care anymore

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Thoughts?
I'd like to drop the wyches to 9, and run Lelith in a raider with them, but then I lose the special weapons.

I'd run the 5 trueborn and warriors in the dark lance raider, probably drop the warriors somewhere to hold it and keep the trueborn in it as anti-tank.

>>53956628
its definitely a typo. theyre power 10 which would mean around 200 points.
they're likely 190 but the 1 was missed.

>>53957723
I think thrope that aren't babysitting a unit of hiveguard should be on atleast one hormagaunt bobsled, it's too easy to make use of his special rule with them and the gaunts are still mobile

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Had my first 8th edition game today. I expected to play 2000 points, but we ended up playing 1000. I've been building a lot of models lately so I wanted to try them out and said screw it, and played with all the ones I've built in the past week.

I brought 30 Conscripts, 6 Bullgryn, 9 Crusaders, 9 Death Cult Assassins, 2 Priests, 2 Commanders, 2 Commissars, 2 infantry squads and 5 Rough Riders. For the record I built 9 of each so I could ride them with a Priest in a Rhino, but due to our points, I gave up the Rhinos.

He brought a Maulerfiend, 20 Cultists, 5 Terminators, a Psyker terminator, a Chaos lord, a Rhino, 2 squads of Chaos Marines and 5 Raptors.

Highlights of the game were Bullgryn smashing around the field in a conga line of muscle. They killed the Maulerfiend, the last half of the Cultists, most of the Marines and the Lord, though they had hilarious trouble with the Lord due to bad rolling and good saves on his part. Death Cult girls died right away after failing a charge and it was loads of fun watching the Conscripts First Rank Second Rank Fire and Move Move Move. Crusaders were stupid tanky, but he only had Smite in terms of mortal wounds and I got them into close combat with the Terminators fast thanks to acts of faith.

The final highlight that tickles me was the Raptors putting around 7-8 wounds on a Priest. I thought it would be fun to roll 1 at a time for dramatic tension and I ended up rolling 3 1's and a 2.

>>53957822
You read the fucking rules. An "YNNARI army" with AELDARI is still legal because they share a common faction keyword, despite your made-up army definition. The restricted units are still AELDARI, next to their YNNARI-AELDARI bros.

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>Hazard suits putting out 16 shots each now
>Remora drones either cheaper with no seeker missiles, or one point more expensive with two seeker missiles
>xv84 commander nerfed, for some reason
>Ralai stronk with a big points decrease
>tetras are better than ever
>heavy gun drones cost 38 points for ONE
For the greater good you rat bastards

>>53957835
It's got a fucking 30" movement, it's guaranteed charge into CC on turn 1 with Trygon melee but significantly harder to kill, can fall back and shoot next turn and drop off 20 gargoyles and then charge again at point blank.

>>53957836
Well, people might if they were costed more effectively. If they were say, 22 points total, then they'd have the firepower of two gun drones, lack the targetting restriction, and be more efficiently durable than most drones for bodyguard purposes.

>>53957892
No it's not, because the Ynnari rules say so, not the core rules. Specific overrides general. You cannot include any of the restricted units in an Ynnari army. Stop being so fucking stupid.

>>53957835
do you feel the barbed hierodule is worth it ?

>>53957888
Good Battle Report summary.

Who won?

>>53957238

You have to treat FW units and rules just like regular GW rules.

So you can absolutely tell a FW player to fuck off, you just won't have any special pretense for doing so and everyone will think you're a bitch.

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So am I gonna be a piece of shit if I do Kriegers now?
Is the sky falling?

>>53956419
Thunderhawk can as well but all passengers must be primaris. Their transports and codex will be here before the July campaign begins.

Anybody got the kustom stompa rules?

>>53957909
Yeah except now they cost more than 4 gun drones and put out less firepower with fewer wounds

>>53957917
Show the made-up "army" definition and you have an argument, autist.

>>53956377
The valk has that as well, but they can move after disembarking so it's like super deepstrike.

Can someone post the eldar Vampire rules?