HHG the Horus Heresy General

>>53951036
I'm newly recruited; flawed and rushed hypnotherapy has rendered me incapable of doing that.

TL,DR I'm a newfag with slightly more than a month of irregular experience, only started lurking/posting regularly a couple of weeks ago.

Please don't hate me senpai :(

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second for traitors have no justification beyond "hurr emprah's ebil durr"

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>>53951276
Bueno. But you better learn.

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>>53951427
By all that is Salty and Bitter, I, Jago Keck of the Fourth Legion, do hereby swear to master the art of baking. Many new loaves I will create, and great my anguish when people either ignore the contribution or continue to be utter Imperial Fists about muh tabletop standard and muh variety of pics.

>>53951494
I swear that mini is getting worse every time I see it...

>>53951550
rEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

How do you even bake tho?

Cawl ex Machina is apparently recreating the legions of old, including the traitor legion.
Where would those legions recruit from?
I say the IWs would recruit from Krieg, and the SG would recruit from Catachan.
I don't know who would recruit from Armageddon or Mordia.
>>53951494
Kek. Do you guys get in character when playing or is it just a dice game for you? I remember a Militia player asked a Reductor player what he did and that guy, blank faced, answered him: "We reduce things".

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say what you will, but the Macragges Honour was the most aesthetic Gloriana Class of the Era.

>>53951585
Asking questions isn't research.

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>>53951622
Armageddon is toast and Mordia is beyond the rift.

RIP Steel Legion, you were the Guards finest.

>>53951636
I will. The Red Tear and anything Sanguinius looked better. I dislike typical good boi colours of blue and gold. Hate coloured-for-your-convenience factions, like House Terryn

>>53951622
>I say the IWs would recruit from Krieg, and the SG would recruit from Catachan.

Krieg would probably be too risky. It's a completely nuked out hell hole, far too much chance of mutations, which is a dangerous combo with any geneseed.

>>53951666
Dammit Satan, you better post the source of that pic. There's a complete one, isn't it? Ree

>>53951622
>"We reduce things".
Well, he could be a demolitionist. That is a decent job description for some people. Or a VERY specialist chemist.
Still, I do get into character a bit, especially in friendly games. Why not? We're playing complicated toy soldiers while trading assorted jokes and barbs that take a decent historical interest in a fictional universe to understand, it's not like we're going to look LESS nerdy by not outwardly enjoying ourselves.

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>>53951657
I never said anything about researching baking :^)
Spoonfeed me or understand that mistakes will be made - get used to NL levels of fail that, with time and practice, might improve.

>>53951622
Sometimes, depending on who I'm playing, what type of battle/where it is being fought, if it's a fluffy fight... I usually just try to make sure we're both having fun; the odd reroll or extra dice/inch/whatever if it's thematic or fun. I'm less interested in having those for myself, because a) I feel like a dirty cheater then (even if we've agreed about such things in advance) and b) more casualties = more bitterness.

>>53951732
Kriegers are pure. Pure! Their blasted hell hole of a planet pumps out more regiments than Cadia or Necromunda.
That's just what we need for IW geneseed, which is compatible as fuck.
>Not recruiting from rad Max hellscapes
>What is Baal
Reminder that BA geneseed kills more initiates than IF, DG and SW genejizzes

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>>53951799
>I put on my Librarian hat and robes.

>>53951819
Do the Death Korps churn out MORE Regiments, or LARGER ones?

I think it's the latter, but it could be head canon.

>>53951819
So pure, that it took 500 years of nuking to get them in line, and now they're so fucked up they make the rest of the Guard look sophisticated in their tactics.

>>53951857
>>53951819
I think they produce more than Necromunda but not Cadia, they send out far more than required for it's population.

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>>53951855
>Machine Spirits are not for sorcerous sexual

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (Fellblade Explodes)

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>>53951322
fucking loyalists

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Me and my friends decided to get into HH.
They already picked their armies (Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors) and I'm still not decided.
At first I wanted to go with AdMech, then Death Guard, and now even considering Ultramarines and Imperial Fists because I've recently developed fetish for models with shields (in adition to MKIII armour fetish).

What should I do?

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>>53951857
I think both. Regular hive planets (not Cadia) give a tithe of a regiment, armed but to be trained in the IG way. Krieg gave 10 fully equipped and trained regiments when they returned to the Imperium, and each of them asked immediate deployment on the hardest zones possible. And that was before the Administratum sanctioned Vitae Wombs and Viagra for both sexes, so the amount can only go up.
And their "mutation" is those guys are pale from not getting too much sun. Arvo, Krieg protagonist of this short story, was able to both blend in perfectly and adapt to civilian life, if only returning to service a year later.
>>53951880
Reminder that Chenkov is a condecorated Valhallan, not Krieger. And when your regiment becomes able to kill a Monolith in a bayonet charge, then you can tell me which tactics work and which don't ;^)

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>>53952019
I put in a completely and utterly biased vote for Mechanicum, and they can do shields too. These bastards are also perhaps the second-best anti-IW tool after the Vulturax, too.

>>53952019
Since your friends have gone full meme you should get IF or DG for extra memeness

>>53951908
There are no Cadian civilians, they're all reservists. The same goes for Krieg. Cadia had the Eye of Terror mutations, Krieg had post nuclear winter ones.
I say they're on a similar level, but for Cadia it was a necessary thing while for Krieg... that's how those guys are.

>>53952025
According to my 5E IG Codex, literally every world raises regiments of IG according to what they can and what traditions they have, so there is no unified "IG way". Trends might be common, either because they're effective or because they're in vogue, but that's all.

>>53952019
Tell us, Anon. Besides shields what else do you like? What's best in life, eh?

>>53952092
I read of natives having to being issued lasguns with wooden stocks to feel comfortable with them, and having to be briefed on the nature of space travel, or becoming regiments entirely made up of Roughriders to lessen the cultural shock.

>>53952102
Well I don't have preference in type of army per se, I'm more painter and collector, so my choices are based on looks and fluff, more than gameplay, hence thing with shields. On one hand I don't want another blue army (have Deathskull Orks, Thousand Sons for 40k, Tzeentch (actually more rainbow than blue) for AoS), but on the other I could just follow the pattern and do another one. I like things where I can go full wild with painting and push it to the edge with details and vibrant colours.
Fluffwise, i like shades of grey instead of super good or super bad guys.

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>>53952019
Imperial Fists, because in a year or two the focus of the Heresy will be on the Solar System and Terra and the IF were actually there. Better yet, the fluff mostly has them fighting the Iron Warriors (Book 3: Extermination & The Crimson Fist) and the Alpha Legion (Praetorian of Dorn). The AL kick off the Solar War and the IW lead the siege on the Imperial Palace.

Mechanicum is a good choice too (during the Heresy, when Mars has fallen, the government-in-exile gains a seat on the High Lords of Terra and becomes the Adeptus Mechanicus at the cost of some of its independence). You could always make an allied detachment.

Stone Gauntlet is an odd rite of war... it looks lousy on paper, but a lot of players have had a lot of luck with it. Email Michael at the Eye of Horus podcast if you need advice with it. Don't bother with the other IF-specific RoW, but a lot of the generic ones are fine (Orbital Assault, Pride of the Legion, Armored Breakthrough, and Brethren of Iron are the better ones).

>>53952315
>Stone Gauntlet is an odd rite of war... it looks lousy on paper
This is false, on paper it's good, it's the breachers themselves that bring it down.

>>53952352
That's what I mean, breachers are terrible on paper so a rite of war written about them should be bad too. But I've seen it work.

>>53952237
Emperor's Children are quite flamboyant, with lots of gold detailing and white spots for colour- Chaos EC/DG leave lots of room for mutations and going nuts with colours and effects. SoH, WS and SW can all use 40K SW bits for converting and kitbashing (with a prominent wolf and/or trophy-taking theme present in all three).

Depending on personal fluff, any Legion can field Good Guys with Lots of Details and Vibrant Colours, but you need to justify it somehow.

>>53952025
Is this the new Krieg book/short story? Has anyone got a epub to share?

Assault Marines, 1 20 man or 2 10 man?

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>>53952480
>>53952315
>>53952102
I've made myself a chart to sort out things that I like in each legion that I've considered. Fluff is mostly form quickread on wiki, but I guess I'll go with yellow dudes.

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>>53952990
>Fluff is mostly form quickread on wiki

>>53952990
If I come back to this post in a couple hours and it hasn't started an argument I will be very disappointed in the community of this general.

>>53952990
DG and SoH fit that chart pretty well. If you feel like painting more blue, consider Night Lords - they look good, have cool stuff and will be in Angelus.

>>53952025
>a tithe of a regiment

Tithe is a tenth, taken from the best troops on the planet. Because not giving the Imperium your best is grounds for the governor's termination.

>Reminder that Chenkov is a condecorated Valhallan

Reminder that he's also not considered a typical run of the mill Valhallan officer.

>when your regiment becomes able to kill a Monolith in a bayonet charge, then you can tell me which tactics work and which don't

Well, if it ends up killing your regiment and there's 12 more monoliths in the horizon, you'll be found wanting in this life and the next.

>>53952990
>DG
>has both their legion specific units in terminator armour
>and they're both pretty good
>no cool termies

>>53953150
>Well, if it ends up killing your regiment and there's 12 more monoliths in the horizon, you'll be found wanting in this life and the next.
>implying we don't have many many more regiment

>>53952944
10 man squads don't have any hitting power left by the time they reach the enemy (they'll take a few casualties on the way in). 15 is fine, though.

I'm not a fan of IF special units, but I do think they'll work well for you. The only problem is that the Tartaros terminators in BoP probably can't take shields. Get a set of Cataphractii (cheap enough on eBay) for shield-bearing shooty deep strikers. Also take the Tartaros squad you'll inevitably have, but kit them out for melee (a couple of them should have power fists or axes, but 2-3 single lightnight claws to stike at initiative are a good idea).

Oops, second half of >>53953277 was meant as a response to >>53952990

>>53953189
This is true too.

>>53953276
>packing 13 big regiments into the same area to take down 13 monoliths
>spending all those resources on training, shipping, equipping, upkeeping, etc.
>just to take down 13 monoliths

Anyone have HH 42-44 in audiobook? Need to revive the old Black Library that had all the audiobooks

Bit late to the party, but where are people getting that Calth was actually a super success? Lorgar even tells Erebus "nah m8, you and Kor Phaeron fucked up doing everything but the Ruinstorm."

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>>53952990
>DG
>Terminatorest of legions
>No cool termies
Doesn't compile

>>53954803
Not a Word Bearer player but Calth was objectively a successful operation
>kills 120,000 Ultras at the cost of 50,000 of the Word Bearer's worst troops
>activates the Ruinstorm which keeps the Ultramarines out of the Heresy and away from Terra

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>>53952990
>>53953070
not taking fluff from based Black Books...

Decimate yourself.

>>53954888
I get that it worked as intended. But people go on like they actually believe Erebus when he said it exceeded expectations. It didn't, they didn't kill Guilliman, they lost thousands of their own pointlessly, Kor Phaeron got his shit pushed in. Even Lorgar knows it, and tells Erebus as such. It did what was intended, and nothing more.

>>53954941
Those people are probably bantering m8

>>53954888
It was, but it could've been a bigger success if they hadn't gotten sloppy.

Ultimately the traitors failed because the Ultramarines and Dark Angels made it past the Ruinstorm and were going to reach Terra in numbers before the traitors could breach the Imperial Palace. More Word Bearers on Terra could've helped with the siege, and wiping out all of the Ultramarines on Calth (including Guilliman) would have made their arrival a lot less threatening.

>>53954941
I'd say the Ruinstorm exceeded expectations. It was a huge asset to the traitors. You're right that Erebus and Kor Phaeron are incompetent though.

>they didn't kill Guilliman
I was under the impression that Kairos Fateweaver told them that they'd lose the war if Guilliman was slain?

Overall it was a great success. People will talk about how the WB fled but there was really nothing left to do at that point. They left all those troops to die fighting because that was the point. They were fanatic retards who couldn't be trusted. (that last bit was a hamfisted retcon but it's canon)

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>>53956242
Very nice.

>>53951636
A lot of them dont have modern artwork. Really only Conqueror, Vengeful Spirit, Macragge, Harafnakel, and iron blood have been seen properly.

Not coincidentally those are the largest ships of the class

most of the pics on 40k wiki are fake/misidentified so dont use those for others

I'm thinking of getting into 30k. Is it actually a good game, nice fluff and models aside? How much decision making and tactics do the rules allow for?

>>53956406
more balanced than 40k at least

>>53956487
I don't care about 40k. Is it actually a good game by itself? Is there much skill or thinking involved!

>>53956406
It's a bad idea at the moment, as HH is sticking with 7E rules and thus you won't be able to play it with any 40k people.

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>>53956406
It's not bad, but I'm a grog who doesn't think a game can truly be good unless it's 10mm scale or smaller. Epic Armageddon and Battlefleet Gothic were great sets of rules by GW. There was enough open space to let positioning and movement flow.

40k/30k rules just barely manage to squeeze two large 28mm armies onto a reasonably-sized table. It's a bit cramped, so a lot of the most important tactics the rules allow involve blocking, like with transports (because you can't move within 1" of a unit unless charging or something along those lines. If you think of a game as lasting a short period of time, it works. There's just more emphasis on deployment and interaction between unit special rules than I'd like.

30k is pretty well balanced, even if you're using one of the non-marine armies. Not perfect, but no game is. It's fun, though, and that's what matters. If you're able to role-play just a little, battles can be very memorable.

>>53955083
I wouldn't say it exceeded expectations. Its primary purpose, that is cordoning off the Ultramarines, ultimately failed, at the worst possible moment.

>>53955083
>I was under the impression that Kairos Fateweaver told them that they'd lose the war if Guilliman was slain?

Close, but Fateweaver only said they'd lose if Lorgar killed Guilliman at Calth - that's what Kor Phaeron was "supposed" to do, but instead decided he'd try converting Guilliman to Chaos instead with an athame

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5 bananas down, 15 to go

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>>53952088

I don't think Cadia produces any regiments anymore.

>>53958609
>>53955083
And let's not forget that one head of Kairos always lies, and the other tells the truth.

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>>53958712
>And let's not forget that one head of Kairos always lies, and the other tells the truth.

>>53958712
Think about that for a few seconds m8

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>art of Iron Hands cataphractii shows them with chainmail pteruges and shoulders
>refuse to use cataphracii models because they're all sculpted with leather strips
Rate my autism. Also post your own autism.

>>53958863
That is pretty tame around here, actually. I don't have cataphractii because they don't have Perturabo's awesome metal loincloth and I am going to have to do something about the aweful giant ones that the Siege Tyrants have.

Does anyone have the dimensions of the FW boarding shields? Breaching squad ones work too. I'm trying to build a model to try printing my own, but I can't find the dimensions anywhere. Need the height and width, mostly.

>>53951494
Why the fuck do you keep posting this image in almost every thread. We get it Anon, you are proud of your conversion. Good job. Awesome. Well done and now move on with your life.

>>53954888
the initial 100k were lost in orbit, the Word Bearers themself got their shit fucked up royally on the ground. Especially once the grid was taken and they had to scuttle away like rats

>>53958863
I feel your lamenting, anon. Chainmail pteruges are so fucking hardcore. If only I were able to paint the Hands in the oily metallic that FW uses, I would build a legion of such vastness, it would blot out the sun.

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So I have one squad of Cataphractii for my IF, but was wondering if I should buy another squad of them or a squad of Tartaros.

The Cataphractii are equipped with an Iliastus Assault Cannon, combibolters, one powersword, two chainfists, and two powerfists.

>>53958863
You can file down the leather strips and then fill in with greenstuff that you make look like chain mail. You can either let your autism lock your bitch ass up or channel that shit and do something awesome

>>53960786
What does your heart tell you?

>>53960848
To purge the traitor and die in a hailstorm of enemy fire because I don't want to retreat.

>>53960516
I don't think the initial 100k were lost in orbit but rather in the initial attack, counting the first battles ion the ground. The underworld war was a mess though.
>t. Word Bearer player with love/hate relationship for Erebus and Kor Phaeron

>>53961406
it's heavily implied that most UMs that died, died from the WBs ships burning their fleet at anchor

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how come the Traitors haven't produced any individual worth mentioning in 10k years?

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The XV coming along nicely chaps. Just a few more men and robuts to slap paint onto.

>>53962206
I think I have the same exact set of drawers.

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>>53960529
>If only I were able to paint the Hands in the oily metallic that FW uses
Is the problem that you don't have an airbrush? The FW painters use one but it would probably be possible without it. The recipe is online.

What do you think of the pic related scheme? I found it online and I might use it for my Hands when they arrive.

>>53960793
I've yet to see a greenstuff chainmail tutorial that doesn't look like waffles or just a bunch of poked holes. If you have a good one I'd like to see it.

>>53962141
Huron Blackheart is supposedly a big deal and has a force to rival Abaddon's. I don't know if he's done anything worthwhile since Badab though.

>>53962453
Looks good, I like it.

No way Huron's forces actually rival Abbadon's in strength though. Sure, Huron is one of the most successful Chaos Lords in the setting, but the Black Legion is the single largest unified CSM faction in the Galaxy, with alliances and bonds to the other Legions and countless other factions in the Eye.

>>53962453
>Huron Blackheart
Loyalist gone rogue, not a native of the 8 Loser Legions.

Time to tear my reductor list to shreds, I got advice a couple of threads ago and hopefully I have avoided a typical reductor cheese list.

I really like the knight and its fluff but I'm unsure whether this would be that guy territory, I don't feel like one knight is that guy. Sure it has ranged D but only for about 8 inches and its other ranged weapon is a single shot blast so prone to scatter.

Ordo Reductor 2500
HQ
Archmagos, abeyant, machinator array, photon thruster, djinn, x4 cyber eyes, augury scanner, cyber senpai, melta bombs, rad grenades, MC power axe - 365

TROOPS
x6 Destructor Thallax, x2 photon thruster - 320

x6 Ferrox Thallax, x6 heavy chainblade - 310

FAST ATTACK
x6 Ursarax, x6 power fist - 385

HEAVY SUPPORT
x2 Mars Colossus artillery, x2 siege plating - 300

x3 Demolisher artillery, x3 siege plating, x3 machine spirit, x3 dozer blade - 375

LOW
Knight Atrapos, fancy eyes - 445

>>53962206
Are you Chinese?

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So what's the verdict on Crimson King? Fluffwise 1k Sons are best legion.

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>>53958633
>vexila & shield
>blade & dagger
>mixed squad

>>53962141
Because most of the big guys are still in charge.

>>53962206
Time to start doing bases man

>>53962496
Fair point but I think it's mentioned that Abaddon feels threatened by him. The Red Corsairs are the "size of a pre-Heresy legion" but that leaves a lot of room for interpretation. They're definitely a tier below the Black Legion's power though.

>>53962717
>Fluffwise 1k Sons are best legion
>helping Horus after he sicced the Space Wolves on Prospero
Is any legion more cucked than the Thousand Sons?

>>53962801
> Fluffwise 1k Sons are best legion.
Lol. TSons and the SW are the two legions who have gotten shat on hardest by BL and the retcons.

TSon are now playing Pokemon through time and the retreading the plot line later in a better novel. Whilst the Space Wolves have become the Space Jobbers with a Primarch whos only pretending to be retarded.

>>53962141
>Who is Huron?

>>53963041
>>53962453
>1 mentionable individual in 10k years
>and that one only joined Chaos roughly 100 years ago

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Working a Death Guard diorama.

I'll probably do a fat chaos spawn last, with bits of armour poking out.

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>Leviathlets

>>53962593
One, you probably don't need Meltabombs or the Axe on the Tech-priest, give him a chainfist instead and do better with S10 Irrad allowing you to ID Custodes bikes and Vorax and such. You really don't need 12 Thallax, cut both units to 3 and buy a bodyguard squad for him (probably conversion Beamer Myrmidons, since he's chilling with the artillery AFAIK. Get the Colossus Machine Spirit, the Demolishers don't need Dozers because Reductor.

You also lack severely for anti-air, so maybe losing a Demolisher, a couple of Ursarax and/or some random equipment or Occularis and buying something like a Lightning wouldn't be a terrible idea if your meta has flyers.

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>>53963431
>GW jumps on the FW dreadcreep

Why have you become so shit /hhg/?

Where are the tactics, strategy, lists and cool painted models? Why so much shitposting?

>>53963279
This is baller!
Good job, man. Love the transformation!

>>53962453
I sure have an airbrush, but I just don't know the formula.
Pic looks awesome. The weathering on your model is fucking sublime. Care to share, anon?

>>53962206
Holy crap that Kharybdis is huge.

I actually play an IW Orbital Assault list, but can never find use for that model. And I'm not keen on paying 160 britcoins for a model (albeit beautiful) that I cannot use properly.

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>>53963708
Here's the recipe straight from FW themselves. Do it for Ferrus, brother.

That pic isn't mine. I found it online. It's done by Rich Marlow.
http://www.imgrum.org/user/richfigureart/1700517833

>>53963431
Fucking horrid.

>>53963769
I am Pert's bitterboy at heart, but the Hands always have a special place in my heart.

That, and I love the Ultramarines when one makes them real Romans in Spess.

>>53963447
>One, you probably don't need Meltabombs or the Axe on the Tech-priest, give him a chainfist instead and do better with S10 Irrad allowing you to ID Custodes bikes and Vorax and such.
With rad grenades and S6 he will be ID'ing any T4 unit he faces in combat, which I think is enough. With T6, W4, 2+, 3++ and IWND he is pretty survivable. I'll consider a powerfist and a Myrmidon bodyguard if I can shift some points around but if something that is a serious threat manages to get that close to him with all the other stuff I've got about then I've pretty much lost anyway.

>You really don't need 12 Thallax, cut both units to 3 and buy a bodyguard squad for him (probably conversion Beamer Myrmidons, since he's chilling with the artillery AFAIK.
Yeah you are correct in that, he is basically sitting at the back repairing things, hence the lack of expensive CCW upgrades. I was told that minimum thallax squads are pretty cheesy for reductor which is why I avoided them, I'lll probably cut their and the Ursarax numbers down to make room for other stuff.

>Get the Colossus Machine Spirit
Good point, thanks.

>the Demolishers don't need Dozers because Reductor.
Another good point, I forgot this.

>You also lack severely for anti-air, so maybe losing a Demolisher, a couple of Ursarax and/or some random equipment or Occularis and buying something like a Lightning wouldn't be a terrible idea if your meta has flyers.
Yeah this is my weakness, trouble is I'm not really a fan of the Lightning, are there any other options available buried in the book somewhere? I'll probably get it if the other choice is no anti-air.

Thanks for your help, you got anything to say about the knight?

>>53962717
Shit, but good action and warp scenes.

i thought you could never hit on better than a 3+ in assault? does night Lords rules over rule that?

>>53964014
>i thought you could never hit on better than a 3+ in assault?
Just not according to the regular to hit chart

>does night Lords rules over rule that?
yes

>>53963685
Post your models then anon, we tried to get people posting theirs in the last thread but it seems like you faggots don't paint

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>>53964576
>painting when primed models work just as well and you can choose whichever legion rules you like best at the moment

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>>53964680
>T-the nails, I can't...
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53964680
>spending your money on primer
Get on my level scrub, I have never seen a non-grey model in my life.

New to the game but wondering if i can play as traitor loyalists?

>>53964827
No. It's expressly forbidden in the rulebook you special snowflake

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>>53964827
Of course you can play as Alpha Legion.

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Post more Imperial Fists.

>>53964827
NO
half of Iron Warriors, Emperor's children and Death Guard players here play as loyalists

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>>53964926

>>53964857
>>53964860
>>53964940
Shame, i was thinking white scars becuase they had a portion of them more pro horus

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>>53964926
>>53964977
We're memeing. Some of the White Scars are explicitly mentioned to have fled and joined Horus after the Lodge coup failed.

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>>53964926

>>53964977
If only, there was, like, some sort of papery bookish type deal that could tell you, and had a load of rules in it, we could call it a bookrule. That's just a crazy far off dream though.

>>53964798
>typical SW player thought process
I bet you awoo after making wet leopard growls and forge alliances with navigator houses that are bound to Eldar craftworlds.

>>53963827
Min Thallax squads are only cheesy in the sense that not running min Thallax squads is about the single worst decision ever, given they're over 100 points per Rending Autocannon and get no better at scoring. Leave the extras at home.

Admech can also take the Avenger fighter, the Vulturax (which doesn't need Cortex Control if you're using it for AA, since it has special dispensation to target air units even if they're not the closest and you can keep it in the sky to stop charging, although I'd not recommend that) or the Droplite Team. They kill flyers really well with 10-20 BS2 Cover -1 snapshots per unit, and the best trick is cramming 12 into an Arvus Lighter with an Omnispex. Deepstrike in, Arvus shoves a TL heavy weapon into something, Hoplites get a guaranteed Spartan kill or torch an uppity flyer then run around scoring and generally being massive Haywire dicks.

I would seriously get the Archmagos an enginseer bodyguard at LEAST, he is sitting there being massive bait for deepstrikers or speedy Praetors/Primarchs and costs 350 points. Get two Enginseers and 8 Servitors with some Servo-arms, fix the arty much better and don't die to random plasma guns or Mortarion/Corax. I suggested the chainfist because it's about as expensive as MC Power Axe + Meltabombs and much better against pretty much anything.

The Knight is a Knight, it's good, people know them, people have counters somewhere, not too unsurprising but will pull its weight, especially if you stick the Enginseers close by.

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>>53963279
Nurgle's got the . T H I C C

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>>53963279
That Nurglite put on the weight.
>>53963431
That's wrong. But when will they learn?

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>>53963431
Would've been tolerable with chunkier legs.

But these tables are already getting a little crowded... I really don't like scale creep unless we accept a skirmish game

anyone seen a good conversion of knight oblivion?

>>53967228
>Smol Commissar, big faith.

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>>53963279
>huffing poison
>not even once

>>53963279
>day 31
>the death guard still do not realise I am a crimson fist

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Has anyone used massed Thallax? They look good on paper...but cost more than fucking terminators, wielding weapons with shitty AP.
And now Ursarax exist.
I believe the Mechanicum's problem is they have a completely schizofrenic choice of Troops with no real "normal" line soldier until the arrival of the Memetarii, but their selection of Fast and Heavy support has great units that is hard to choose among each other.

>>53968756
Thallax are just terrible. They're awesome, and look badass, and do a decent job scoring and poking and blocking and generally doing every possible job aside from killing things, but any points you spend on any more than the bare minimum Thallax is half a Vindicator. Seriously, you could fill an entire normal FoC with HS choices for the cost of the two mandatory troops.

The Secutarii though, what a meme they are. I've never actually heard a report from anyone using Droplites, but there were some at the last Weekender tourney in the Geeks40k video. Anyone used the Peltasts? They look like what Tactical Blobs aspire to be, honestly.

>>53968756
Thallax are one of the many examples of "badass lore, badass look, ass on table"

>>53968950
>The Secutarii though, what a meme they are
Kek. Imagine reading this in an official writing
>"What's a bolter" asked Angron
>"The weapon of the astartes. A powerful one" answered Kharn, while his marines eyed lustfully the 30" range AP3 rifles their Sarumite allies wielded. Their acid saliva pooled around them, making a wet hiss as it melted the ground they were standing on.

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>>53952990
that anon here, I came (not end of the story) back form work today, with Betrayal at Calth box (I realized that only useful thing in Prospero are MKIII) with plan to start my Imperial Fist dudes.

What do I do next? If I want to go full shieldwall, my only option is to horard upgrade packs with shields form FW?

>>53969866
If you're going Imperial Fist, you could use some Talons for sure.

>>53969866
Chinaman is your friend. Get the shields from China, FW shields are not worthy

How necessary are metal boxes in 30k?

>>53969291
Poor, poor peerless warriors of humanity. Outshot all round by a bunch of literally whos who may or may not be expendable clones. I love doing that to Marines, beating them up with random dudes I don't care about losing is amazing. Especially when random Levies kill a Primarch or something. If I lose, I have another hundred thousand dudes right there. He loses, he will never recover.

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>>53970248
Sure he will, he'll be bailed out and start his next book having defeated (You).

I greet you in the name of the Legion, honoured representative of the Mechanicum. Let us sit in the mud and the rain and sulk together. Truly, being expendable is a bitter brew to swallow.

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>>53970359
>*gets BTFO by mere mortals on Tallarn*

>>53968950
I use Peltasts, normally as a squad of 20 with an Axiarch HQ to give them preferred enemy. So far they've been brilliant.
They can survive a lot of shooting with the rerolls 1's on saves and their shooting is great, bs5 with rerolls on 1s from PE. Against 3+ saves their hammershot can ruin squads in a single phase and against Custodes and 2+ their standard rounds cause a ridiculous amount of wounds to save against.

>>53970359
The trick is to not care that you lose. You bled them, that's what counts. Also, literally nothing on the battlefield is worth an injury to a Primarch or a horde of dead Astartes to deal with. Even better, a pack of dead Custodians.

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>>53970432
>>53970434
Pic related

Seriously though, how do I bake? Threads tend to hit the 300+ mark at weird times lately, so I'm not 100% on how often I'll actually be able to bake what with work and my studies.

What I'm thinking is, literally anyone helping to bake is a plus - unless they literally just fuck linking to the previous thread/post links to the libraries.

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>>53970362
;^)

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>>53970359
Victory, defeat. Allies, enemies.
None of those concepts survives the passing of time.
Even war changes.

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>>53969866
IF player who started with BaC here. Start with PotL and build from there. Build up your armor up and pick up two or three more squads to make more Vets or a full Tactical squad.

Depending on your theme could be like me and just have a squad of 10 Breachers for fun and fluff while also picking up heavier armor and a couple of siege units like Vindicators and Mortars/Quads.

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I think I'm going to use this one as a Legion Herald. Or would a different Centurion role suit him better?
Iron Warriors, by the way.

>>53970573
>To be anon in such times is to be one amongst untold shitposters. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regimeme imaginable. These are the threads of those times. Forget the power of links to older threads and summaries, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of releases and discussion, for in the grim dank future there is only keks. There is no tactica amongst the generals, only an eternity of memery and femarchs, and the laughter of shitposting anons.
Go to Catalog, Start New thread, copy the OP pasta, beginning from ">Tread FAQ". Funny and witty Edition/sub edition, some summary of what happened, link to previous thread.
Pic one of the headers for the pic, and don't forget to include "HHG" in the name so people can find it with Ctrl+F.
Then you go to the thread that is dying and post the link to the new thread. Not the http web link, but the post number. As if you were responding to a comment, with the >>.

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>>53970900
Hadn't thought of using voxes and loud-hailers. I was of the thought heralds wore tabards and carried standards. As well as that silly batton thing.
Nice idea. I look forward to seeing that guy painted, anon.

>>53970573
>Seriously though, how do I bake?
It's not fucking rocket science. It's exactly like making a reply. You copypaste the OP and do three things.
>enter the subject line
>use an appropriate image (archive4plebs can help you)
>change the "previous thread" link
If you really want to go the extra mile you can recap the previous thread in a humerous way. If you still can't do it with me holding your hand tighter than a vice just kys desu senpai.

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>>53970904
I fucking keked, thank you. And so my tutelage is complete, my life and my potential at last reduced to coin spent in the pursuit of the Emperor's dream and Perturabo's hunger for acclaim.

>>53970900
I use the same guy for pretty much the same purpose (the Centurion thing), though I've stripped him for converting purposes.

>>53970952
Heralds do hold banners or standards, normally. Hence me doubting if a Herald is the best centurion flavour for him.

>>53971063
A herald's purpose is to announce his superiors. Backpack-mounted boomboxes help with this.

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>>53970900

>>53971089
Thanks, anon. You convinced me. Will start painting him tomorrow. I think the backside of the cloak will get a nice IW skull decal.

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>>53971059
You're cringy, but I like cringy
>>53971063
Maybe but it certainly depends on the legion, and IWs are defined by practicality and fuction over displays of glory. I say he'd make a wonderful IW Herald.
What other consul would you make him be? With that helmet he doesn't look like a chaplain.

>>53971139
Convinced af. Thanks man.

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>>53969866
I might also suggest Shapeways for shields if you're not looking to pay extra for Forgeworld. They're actually pretty good quality for 3D printed pieces, with ridges that are easily taken care of with sanding

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>>53971139
>>53971217
Honestly I'd say you can make the guy into any of the more "static" delegati, though some converting or kitbashing might be necessary to really drive the look home. A backfield librarian, a forgelord, a herald, a delegatus in full regalia to show the favour of his Father, a praevian fighting side by side with Martian allies bedecked in Imperial heraldry, a siege breaker from one of the more ornate Legions, a master of signals...

Really, imagination is the limit. Static pose, pimped armour, MK IV... Do as you please anon, and post pics. The drybrushier the better.

>>53962801
Imperial Fists. First they fail to keep Horus from turning Emps into the greatest vegetable the human race has seen, then he gets cucked by Girlyman and splits his Legion up, then Perty blasts the unholy fuck out of the Fists leaving the survivors to play houseguard on the Palace Walls. And to top all that off, the Beast shows up and kills of the rest of the Fists. I think Magnus got off pretty easy compared to that heaping pile of shit.

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>>53971416
I was also thinking of a Master of Signals, but he'd need another helmet for the Cognis Signum. And the armour would be too ornate...and before long you're just using a different model.
As for Delegati, Siege Breakers and Librarians (they don't have the trademark Psychic hood), I don't know how they're supposed to look, besides maybe having a vox. But yeah, maybe he could use them as one of those.

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>>53962141
>Even paying attention to whatever heretical name they call themselves when blaspheming against the Imperium in the first place
SUCH ARE THE WAYS OF DAEMONS, TO LIE AND MISLEAD US. DESTROYING THEM IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE FREE OF THEIR INFLUENCES.

>>53971515
>First they fail to keep Horus from turning Emps into the greatest vegetable the human race has seen
As did every other loyalist.
>then he gets cucked by Girlyman and splits his Legion up
Guilliman used his snakelike ways and his habit of turning up when the battle was won and claiming all the glory to turn the imperium against them, to the point of IN ships opening up on them
>then Perty blasts the unholy fuck out of the Fists leaving the survivors to play houseguard on the Palace Walls.
You mean Dorn brilliantly coaxed Perty into playing the pain glove for the aforementioned failures.
>and to top all that off, the Beast shows up and kills of the rest of the Fists.
Is there a single faction whose reputation wouldn't be improved by pretending the beast series never happened? maybe those wierd clown elves) The whole thing was shit.
>I think Magnus got off pretty easy compared to that heaping pile of shit.
If you can call that fragmented space mollusc shell of his soul Magnus.

>>53971983
>playing the pain glove
Is this the Imperial Fist version of
>but, victory...

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>>53971983
>You mean Dorn brilliantly coaxed Perty into playing the pain glove for the aforementioned failures.
Anon, I admire your loyalty and devotion, but...just...

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>>53971983
>>53972098
>>53972230
Roleplaying as Perturabo roleplaying as Dorn, I see. You can't fool me, Omegon.

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>>53972335
That's exactly what Omegon would say!

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>>53972417
Is that so... Alpharius!?

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>>53972461
Accusing others of being Alpharius when you're Omegon pretending to be Alpharius pretending to be Omegon?

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>>53972335
>>53972417
>>53972461
>>53972484
>Open Fire

>>53972484
Shut up Omegon.

>>53972508
Shut up Alpharius. Can't you see I'm Alpharius?

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>>53972508
Dorn, no! I'm waving the universal flag of surrender! In tree form!

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>>53972529
Shut up, Alpharius.

I used to think old legionnaries were badasses in comparison to 40k marines, having annihilated xenos species, vanquished remnants of the Old Night and defeated empires of old not with Grey Knights or Deathwatch speshul gubbinz, but with bolter and blade.
Hell, the Chaplains of old were so zealous they could even spook the enemy.
But thinking of it again, those marines were probably trained just barely good enough. Mighty but mass produced, not an artisan's job.

>>53971059
I like 'em brother, but it does look like they have spent all day getting their nails did

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>>53972595
The old boys were still tough.

>>53972595
You know how a single Company of Astartes can conquer a world single-handedly by smashing the centre of resistance, or spearhead massive invasions by their lonesome?
Imagine just how horrific the terrors of Old Night were before the Legiones put them to rest. Rangda, Hrud, Ork Empires beyond counting. Understand that the 40K Astartes being more experienced doesn't mean shit when they don't regularly stare down horrors that equal or surpass the collective horror brought by a dozen WAAAGHs, or a Hive Fleet, or a powerful Kabal.

The Legions were created to break the back of the Emperor's enemies, for Imperial Army units to mop up. The Chapters were founded to defend localised areas of space.

>>53972621
Haha yeah, I'm going to highlight the nails. I'm trying to go for that old-timey power weapon look, you know?

>>53972709
What kind of look is that one?

>>53972845
The low effort kind.

>>53969866
Also check out Pop Goes the Monkey and ML Shields.

Shields are the one thing I'm wary about getting from chinaman; it's really easy to screw them up when casting.

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>>53972335
>>53972417
>>53972461
>>53972484
>>53972529
>>53972554

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>>53970199
Very. There's too much AP3 artillery.

The possible exceptions (depending on what weapons your opponent has) are infiltrating armies, outflanking armies (e.g. Emperor's Children Maru Skara, with mostly shooty units), or gunlines with shooty terminators. Only Iron Warriors and Death Guard have good shooty terminators. They're necessary because they can defend the gunline from melee-oriented deep strikers. The gunline forces your opponent to come to you, so your footsloggers in front will actually get to fight.

>>53973187
Fucking Cabal

>>53973222
True Iron Warriors don't use transports. Spend the points you'd put on worthless steel coffins on unit upgrades or Iron Havocs, and then pay the price for victory like a true son of the Fourth.

>Notice a few tournie players selling fully painted award-winning armies for megabucks on the trading sites over the last few days
>Finally ask one why

He's moving to 8th along with the competitive scene so is getting rid of his entire HH army. They all are, and they sell entire armies and don't keep stuff to repurpose.
I will never understand tourniefags.

>>53973276
>True Iron Warriors don't use transports.
>Iron Warriors
>the legion with the most metal boxes
You can cut the cringey role play Jagoanon, it's getting a bit much.

>>53973474
>I will never understand tourniefags.
What's to understand? They like competition and putting together the most cutthroat list possible. If a faction isn't top-tier anymore why not sell your models and buy the new hotness?

>>53973535
>Jago
More like Jagoff
More like Jackoff
More like Jerkoff
More like Gay Mutual Masturbation Participant

>>53973535
I thought the Iron Hands used the most armour.

>>53973581
I'm clearly overly sentimental of material possesions I've spent hundreds of hours labouring over and using to play games for youre doggy dog world, anon

>>53973602
Obviously they didn't believe in helmets...

>>53973602
I'd never heard Imperial soldiers used as meatshields called armour before but I guess you're right.

>>53973602
>The Iron Hands are known to maintain a particularly extensive and sophisticated arsenal of war engines — particularly tanks, armoured vehicles and Dreadnoughts — the equal of any Legion save perhaps for Perturabo’s IVth.
-HH2 pg.72

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>>53973602
The Iron Hands love their tanks, but so do the Iron Warriors. They must have lost more on Tallarn than most legions ever had.

>>53973737
Those pesky Talibarns and their roadside IEDs.

>>53973707
Ah, cool.
>>53973634
So the Iron Warriors strap Imperial Army soldiers to their tanks to stop rockets?

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>>53951182
Sevpai did nothing wrong.

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Do you guys use Heavy Weapon squads? I say they should have Suspensor webs. It's 30k.

Whats the best knight for IW?

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>>53973187
The world may never know. It's like trying to figure out which state has the best flag.

>>53975110
The answer is clearly Maryland. That flag is aesthetic as fuck. It's the purest pleb filter known to man.

>>53975110
I like the california flag, texas & new mexico are also cool.

Maryland and washington get points for being different

>>53951666
Armageddon isn't dead.

Raven's Talons on assault marine sergeant Y/N?

>>53975564
>half of it is a daemon world of khorne and the other of tzeentch
it's fucked

>>53976660
Sounds like Age of Sigmar

>>53978072
two years Ago I used to call the writing in Nu-Fantasy 40k-ish. But GW reached new lows with every piece of lore, to the point that AoS slub seeping back into 40k becomes noticeable.

Man, Bligh had so many cool ideas, I hope he put the majority of them down before he died...

>>53978535
I think John French will do a good job. Iron Warriors players should buckle in though.

>>53978535
True. He was also apparently the only one in all FW/GW/BL who knew a bit of subtlety instead of going full Shaitan of Morningstar all the damn time.
>>53978583
>Iron Warriors players should buckle in though.
Go die in an ironfire :^)

>>53951182
I had no idea someone had finally put my mega link in the OP

Will update it immediately with new shit I've acquired

Not true, there are rights of war for playing a traitorous version of a loyalist legion.

>>53964857
Let me try this again. There is a rite of war that allows you to play a traitor splinter of a loyalist legion.

>>53978742
What are you responding to, buddy?

>>53978761
No shit Sherlock. You really found him out.

>>53978761
>>53964827
There should be more FLUFF about traitors from loyal legions.
The only ones I can remember are White Scars. Blackshields don't count, and those IHs with the Eye actually swore to deface it with SoH blood. Are there any others?

>>53978820
Luther and his boys aren't really traitors, they just wanted to be independent.

IF didn't turn for obvious reasons.

There's mention of a company of SW going traitor in Conquest.

>>53978820
There's traitor Raven Guard in Retribution(?) who nuke some Imperials.

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>>53978869
>Raven Guard who nuke imperials
Like father like sons :^)

>>53975110
I was gonna make a pic inspired from this, the states with the legion symbols assigned to each one

Besides a few funny ones like California = Emperor's Children, Kentucky = Salamanders, Michigan = Death Guard, Utah = Word Bearers, and swing states being Alpha Legion...I couldn't come up with much

>>53978921
>50 states
>18 legions

There aren't 33 swing states, anon.

>>53978921
>funny
H-h-ha heh hilarious stuff

>>53978921
It's time to stop.

Say the space wolves were sent after any other legion.

Would they have still taken the custodes, and if not, who'd have they taken?

>>53979046
>Would they have still taken the custodes
They'd need to. The Wolves' performance during the Heresy has shown that they can't fight other Space Marines without getting their shit pushed in. Russ has to be personally bailed out of certain doom by other legions 3 times if I recall correctly.

>>53978921
I live in Kentucky and don't get the Salamander one. We have hicks and meth, the only niggers are in a single city that literally everyone else in the state hates.

Fuck Lousiville.

>>53979046
They wouldn't want to and would try to ditch them, they'd try to go totally alone.

In Inferno they do a Vlyka Fenryka only no nerds allowed surprise combat drop onto an urban area that has no air defences, whose standing defence forces are all stood down in their barracks and whose astartes guardians have had their comms cut off and consider the people dropping out of the sky and shooting at them as allies....and they still get wrecked and have to be saved by the Custodians and other Imperial forces.

>>53979172
FRIED CHICKEN FAGGOT

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>>53979280
Whites don't like fried chicken? I've never understood the meme.

>>53979365
well you could use it the racial way

I was thinking salamanders = using a lot of fire weapons = fried chicken = KFC

It was a pretty innocent """joke"""

>>53979764
Nigger.

>>53979764
Your jokes were bad and you should feel bad.

Pol get out REEEEE

>>53979837
There hasn't been any /pol/ posting yet. I vote we just drop this whole line of conversation.

>>53979944
Agreed. It's off topic, doesn't contribute anything and frankly it pisses me off.

In the interest of saving money I reworked my earlier 2500 pts list of Iron Warriors. It's probably a good deal less effective, but it uses models I already have. Feel free to poke holes in it, or post your own list anons.

2 500 Points Iron Warriors
HQ:
Legion Centurion, volkite charger
- 60 points
Legion Centurion, Legion Vigilator Consul
- 85 points

Elites:
Legion Terminator Squad, 10x Cataphractii Terminators, lightning claw on Sergeant, 2x Terminators w. heavy flamer & single lightning claw, 7x pairs of lightning claws
- 465 points
Legion Dreadnought, twin-linked autocannon
- 130 points
Apothecarion Detachment, 2x Apothecary
- 90 points
Apothecarion Detachment, 2x Apothecary
- 90 points

Troops:
Legion Tactical Squad, 15x Legionnaires
- 175 points
Legion Tactical Squad, 15x Legionnaires
- 175 points
Legion Tactical Support Squad, 8x plasma gun, Sergeant w. augury scanner
- 295 points
Fast Attack:
Legion Seeker Squad, 10x Seekers, melta bombs on Strike Leader
- 260 points

Heavy Support:
Iron Havoc Support Squad, 10x Havoc, 10x lascannon
- 460 points
Iron Havoc Support Squad, 5x Havoc, 5x missile launcher, augury scanner on Sergeant
- 215 points

>>53979944
seconded

>>53973474
it's not just tournie players. not going to 8th is a joke and its caused a large chunk of the playerbase to leave

>>53980064
As has happened most editions, more ebay goodies for me.

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>>53951182
If you don't have a neckbeard you're a normie, and if you're a normie you should sell you should sell your models here then leave this website for good

>>53980064
Do you have autism, why do you have to use the new rules, have you never played games of 3rd or 5th when 6th was getting boring

>>53980064
i don't really get why people are so keen on 8th, it's bland as shit and the only upgrade it brings is unfucking psychic tests, 7ths problem wasn't intrinsic to its rules, it was gay shit like formations and making tau suits mcs and not vehicles.

>>53979046
>the emperors """""""executioners""""""""
>couldn't even stop the brain dead world waters before they understood how to use the nails properly
>launch sneak attack on SoH and still lose

>>53978838
>not traitors
>summon daemons and torture loyalists to know how to bind them

>>53980072
Except that's a meme and you burying your head in the sand .
7th edition turned 30k from a few autists into the biggest cash cow fw had.

>>53980241
that's a meme, the core rule set is fucking archaic collection of descriptive actions, it's not a game.

>>53978601
Not him but I actually liked the decimation, it aids the various themes

Oh yeah and people always go on about Alexander the Great, but his father basically invented siege war

>>53978601
>shaitan of the morning star
If you pronounce it in a foreign accent it is less obvious and also far less obvious than the remembrancer shakespeares, the well known Zulu warrior

>>53980283
FOR YOU

>>53976660
Wait I thought Grimgorr was in the middle of his second waagh there

>>53980294
TELL ME ABOUT MORTARION, WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK

>>53980283
Don't encourage them to be that lazy. It's that kind of attitude that led to the page in Angel Exterminatus where they stop to make sure that the reader understands what Ezekiel Abaddon's name signifies like it's fucking Sesame Street.

>>53980308
Wait, Vengeful Spirit. McNeil you tricksy fuck.

>>53974688
No because I play IW
>>53973623
Underrated
>>53973737
Did Tallarn exist before BL decided IW can't be cool

>>53972638
>assyrians still LARP
Why did the one civilisation with the rage of the arabs survive, why couldn't the noble phoenicans or aramaics

>>53980255
Yeah, but they'll tell Horus to fuck off like they did with the Emperor

>>53971983
>the beast
Besides the sisters of silence and red fists becoming imperial fists what was wrong with it

>>53980308
>>53980317
What I don't even get about that moment is that it comes up extremely randomly in the narrative.

>on the way to a stage after conquering enemy city
>Horus tells the Mournival what Abaddon means
>Horus holds a little speech then orders the titans to destroy the city
>it's never brought up again

It's like McNeill just wanted to tell us how smart he is.

Then again this is the guy who gave Ahriman's brother's name as Ohrmuzd

>>53980296
He left.

Now he's fighting Tyranids on Octarius

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So wtf is Wolf Cull? What happend to Russ, and what Goulding mean in his interview?
There’s the obvious question of what happened to Russ, and how he got so messed up, and loads of people are saying that he must have confronted Horus. That’d be a pretty safe bet, for my money. However, Horus being confronted by an angry Leman Russ and his Legion – that would probably need to happen a little bit later in order for it to make sense in Horus’ arc as the books build towards the Siege of Terra. We’ve seen the loyalist viewpoint, as in Corax’s and Russ’, and it left a lot of unanswered questions. That was deliberate, Gav and I were very keen to make sure we included that sense of ambiguity. The thing that I’m most excited about, the great thing about this story is that it’s like the Horus Heresy in a nutshell. We already know exactly what the outcome is, because Leman Russ gets messed up.

But do we ACTUALLY know what the outcome is? Because in Corax, Ezekyle Abaddon suddenly appears at Yarant and goes full-on trying to wipe out the wounded Space Wolves and Leman Russ. I hope that story would be something like Rogue One to A New Hope – the ending of this supposed ‘Wolf Cull’ could have that level of amazing, exciting, horrifying drama. All of the little concerns and arguments that fans are having about whether or not Leman Russ got a proper spin of the wheel at that point would suddenly be obliterated by the full telling of it! However, obviously he doesn’t kill Horus, and obviously his attempt fails, we know that from the background. The question of HOW he’s foiled and what exactly he MIGHT achieve, because we haven’t seen it from Horus’ point of view yet – that’s the thing that’s really exciting, and that’s what I’ve always loved about the Horus Heresy as a series. It’s going to be amazing, however it shakes out. I’m sure of that.”

>>53980401
The Wolf Cull is a new plot development introduced in the Heresy, and which has been foreshadowed since Vengeful Spirit. Basically, Russ and his legion tried to stop Horus, but failed pathetically, got his wolves killed, got fucked up, got his sons fucked up, and had to be bailed by Corax.

What Goulding means in this interview is that we only see the prelude and the aftermath of the wolf cull itself; so we can only infer what happened. What we DO know, however, is that it's going to be a novella, written by Wraight, and knowing the jewery that is BL it's going to be an exclusive.

>>53980401
He's just hyping whatever release is planned to cover the wolf cull. What you aren't sure about is unrevealed at present, other than the wolf cull is the Yarant campaign, which is when the Space Wolves get destroyed as an effective Legion.

>>53980308
You know how not subtle references are in animal farm and yet it's praised as literary genius
>the horse who works really hard is based on the Russian worker who worked really hard and everyone aspired to be
But yeah you shouldn't explain things in books, that's why you make your own memos and commentaries
>>53980352
Not if he's promised the Lions sweet boipucci for one night more

>>53980401
It's where Russ leads a sneak attack and fails
The point of it is to explain why a wounded SW legion doesn't go from prospero to terra

>>53980430
>>53980437
Geez, Russ and wolves were pretty useless during the Heresy. Worst legion that did everything wrong.

>>53980459
>Worst legion
They were loyal, so they're automatically in the top 9.

>>53980440
>You know how not subtle references are in animal farm and yet it's praised as literary genius

Ehhh, that's a question of form and intent, not to mention time of writing; Animal Farm was a political polemic intentionally printed as a children's story. It's a screamingly clear allegory utterly on purpose.
Satan doing a deal with Satan on the planet Satan is just someone being a lazy, cheeky cunt.

You're not wrong though, there can be a lot to unpack in some of the HH novels due to the nature of the background being built from references. Just let's do it sliiiiightly cleverly please BL.
>But yeah you shouldn't explain things in books,
A-men.

>>53980459
>worst legion
>not Lorgar and the jobbers

l m a o

>>53980481
Nice try girlyman

>>53980430
>The Wolf Cull is a new plot development introduced in the Heresy
Pretty sure its old fluff from the IA actually.

>>53980481
But Lorgar is true architecht of Great Heresy. He saved Angron's life. Almost destroy Girlyman's legion. Lorgar win at all occasions. He is best primarch that traitors have. He is like Sanguinius from loyalist side.

>>53980490
>only girlyman hates lorgar
I love this meme.

>>53980515
Nope, what's throwing you off is the mention of Yarant.

In IA Yarant is mentioned as a place where SOME SW were routed by Abaddon alongside the AL.

Now, Yarant is a place where the entirety of the SW were wrecked by the combined might of the SoH, TS, WE and AL and had to be evacuated by the RG

>>53980531
>Now, Yarant is a place where the entirety of the SW were wrecked by the combined might of the SoH, TS, WE and AL and had to be evacuated by the RG
Wasnt this mostly off screen? I believe they're going to have it in another book so Russfags better get ready tfor Russ to lose to Abaddon in a 1v1 lol.

But I'm going to go check the IA as its been awhile anyway. YOu remeber if it in the Alpha or SW part?

>>53980571
Hmm not sure, but I think AL

Hey guys quick question.

My friends are getting me to play with them and I want to build a Custodes army as a neat conversion/painting project.

I need some kind of inquisitor or something to lead my guys though. Do you have any recommendations for some cool models to lead some Custodes?

>>53980630
Cuckstodes out reeee

>>53980490
Nice try, Alpharius

>>53980630
Shield Captain.

>>53980630
Another Custode, duh.

>>53980664
I don't understand

>>53980689
>>53980687
>Shield Captain
Any ideas on what to use for the actual model? I guess I could just kit bash another one out of extra bits

>>53980481
Swolves are the loyalist jobbers. They're approaching Night Lords levels. okay not quite that bad, nobody can job like the batmen

>>53980727
1: Build a Custode armed the way you want him to be.
2: Did you give him the Tribune upgrade, praesidium shield, solerite fist, digital laser and cyber familiar?
3: If not, do so
4: Remember to bring a cup for your opponent's tears and a band aid for the bruise when he smacks you

>>53980490
[emergency dispatch from battle barge 'Gullible Fool' en route to the eye of terror]

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BY GAWD HE BROKE HIS SPINE AND SHATTERED HIS SOUL

>>53980750
>the only victory they were ever famous for was retconned into a phyrric victory
>they get their ass handed to them by half of the Alpha Legion fleet
>they get their ass kicked by the traitor Legions and decimated
>as someone mentioned before, Russ will probably get the rowboat treatment and job to a First Captain in single combat, while the other Primarchs get to be unstoppable killing machines
Swulfes aren't getting a break in the HH

>>53980849
It's the price they pay for fucking over a loyalist legion because of a personal vendetta yet living on become heroes of the Imperium.

>>53980863
>thousand sons
>in any way loyalist

>>53980863
>loyalist Legion
yes yes, the TS were teeming with loyalty. They were as bad as the WBs, they just didn't know it yet.

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>>53980863
>loyalist

>>53980876
Are you forgetting where Magnus was desperately trying to keep Horus from falling to Chaos? It's literally how he fell himself.

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>>53980908
>>53980889
>>53980876
>Implying loyalty matters when you look like this

>>53980915
well good job he did. Magnus never had bad intentions, but he was a fool. His folly caused more trouble to humanity than any other Primarchs.

>>53980915
I love that passage.
>horus was shocked speechless, how could magnus possibly defy the emperor's will and use psychic powers?
>then ten seconds later he declares war on the imperium

>>53980876
>>53980889
The Thousand Sons and Magnus were plenty loyal. They were just arrogant pricks who managed to place themselves between a cock and a hardness place.

>>53980756
Alright, I'll just scratch build a guy. Thank you anyways

>>53980951
Please post a pic when you're done.

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New thread up as promised. We're over 300 posts in and no significant discussion is running so this is as good a time as any, hmyeah?

>>53980987
>>53980987
>>53980987
>>53980987
>>53980987

>>53981011
>this is as good a time as any, hmyeah?
Hmno, we're still on page 1 dickweed.

>>53981011
Its not even autosaging yet. Literally hours before we need a new thread.

So how much money have you been getting for your armies you're selling in anticipation of 8th destroying the game you love ?

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>>53981011
That's a decimatin'.

it's okay jagofag, I made the same mistake with my first ever general

>the IH, RG and Sals had no problem being reinforced by the pussy legion, the autist legion, the edgy legion and the jew legion

Were they asking for it?

>>53981115
Ferrus Manus called for them to keep pushing and the RG and sallies fell back anyway despite him being in overall command of the operation. Makes me think he might have had a hunch about the whole thing to begin with, he could definitely be someone who could be relied on to keep his head in the game after all.

>>53981115
jew legion?

>>53981141
>Makes me think he might have had a hunch about the whole thing to begin with
Naw, Ferrus was totally surprised. He just wanted to keep fighting traitor fucking shits. You might say he lost his mind.

>>53981179
Alphas

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>>53981179

>>53981180
"Calm down Ferrus, don't lose your head over this"

Also fucking /pol/ fuck off

>>53981207
You're not in a position to tell anyone to fuck off after that shameful display.

>>53981233
>newfag gets triggered by a 40k meme pic
Don't act like you know how this board works when you needed step by step instructions to bake.

>>53981239
The thread looks fine to me? It has all the stuff previous threads had, including a link to this thread (which is more than some had). If you think it was made too early that's fine, feel free to make your own.

>>53981261
>If you think it was made too early
If I *think* it was made too early?

You objectively made it too early, the thread hadn't even begun auto saging, not to mention we only make a new thread when we're on page 10, which you'd know if you weren't a disgusting newfag.

P.S. Take off the name, you don't deserve it

months later the sons of faggots podcast finally catchup to reality and realise Russ is broken.
queue the mechanicum player whining about primarchs.
why do ppl recommend these fucking stupid cunts to me???
we need licensing for content producers.
not to mention they whine about rules all the time and clearly have no fucking idea about the basics of the rules let alone the RoW or anything else

>>53981261
GOLLY GOSH I SURE DO LOVE SUCKING COCK.

>>53981318
Hey, don't be rude you /pol/poster, i've never even said "golly gosh" in my life.

>>53981309
All the 30k podcasts are hosted by autists with shitty opinions. I've listened to an episode of each and I don't know how anyone can stand them.

>>53981328
>>53981207
>someone posts a classic /hhg/ meme
>retard starts screaming /pol/

Jesus, summer has really come