>Hey Anon, want to play some Bunkers and Badasses with us?

>>53942172
Sure?

Can I get a ticket to a non-horrible planet after?

>>53942180
Nah, you get legendaries and pearls to boost your chances of survival

>>53942211
Oh. I guess that's cool. I guess becoming a badass is nice, but does it truly matter since there is no one to fuck?

>>53942172
I don't know the system, but I'm willing to learn.

>>53942224
Tina, Moxxi, Lilith, Maya, Gauge, Tannis. They're all fuckable.

>>53942253
Tina is hot.

>>53942253
Calling Tina a "kid" is insulting. She could kick your chubby ass, easy.

>>53942270
Blow him up using bunnies

>>53942284
Or else what?

>>53942284
Hey Wayne. I've been out of tg for a while. How did the thing with fet life end?

>>53942172
Go away gearbox

>>53942331
Fuck you, I'd love to play B&Bs. At least I would've when Borderlands was still relevant.

>>53942248
Anon, I don't know where the fuck any of those have been. The only ones that might not end with me catching something that man was not meant to know are the two kid characters, but God knows what would go wrong in with those two.

>>53942172
Sure, if I can get a less annoying character to DM.
Like Claptrap maybe.

>>53942373
Moxxi is the only problematic one. And Tannis maybe, IIRC, she fucked a skrag. Lilith just loves dem BBC. Maya is pure.

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>>53942253

For all of Borderlands 2's problems, the DLC weren't one of them. They must've had a different team of writers, because it felt considerably better than the vanilla game

Hell, Assault on Dragon Keep was actually pretty good, all things considered. Turning it into Tina trying to cope with Roland's death was a legitimately surprising turn, and made it about 1000x deeper than anything else the game had to offer. I was pleasantly surprised

I enjoyed the gameplay of the Pre-Sequel.

>>53943801
The way Roland died and his girlfriend was captured was complete bullshit, all these murderous heavily-armed commandos just sitting around watching the villain do stuff

>>53942172
Sounds fun, can I play a Gun Dwarf? I'm not sure if I want to play a Flamewaffen or a Field Medic...

Tales from the Borderlands was actually one of the only good "Tales of" games alongside their Monkey Island series.

Fiona is best girl, I like her hat.

>>53944415
or how apperantly he rolls with no shield and 10 HP

>>53943915
i bailed after Skipper got mind raped into servitude and no-one reacted to it, not even the VH interrogating Athena. that's some shitty writing . Also i couldn't deal with bad the gameplay right after playing DOOM.

>>53942344
BL is still the most insane compelling setting for a game, IMO.
>>53943915
Level design was the worst. That crashed spaceship level felt like it had zero checkpoints.

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>>53944438
>I'm not sure if I want to play a Flamewaffen
>He doesn't want to waffe flames

What's even the point in playing then? Certainly not the social rules.

>>53942270
Tina was fine in small doses but her 'humor' became obnoxious very quickly.

also she's like twelve, and a jive talking memelord spawned by a worthless cuck.

>>53944614
Hey! That worthless cuck gave his daughter a hand grenade at age 8.

>>53942253
but she's 2d
well, 3d, if we count humans as 4d

>>53944614
>spawned by a worthless cuck.
When do they expand on Tina's parents?

IIRC they're both dead after her escape from the Wildlife Preserve.

>>53944628
>>53944874
I think he may be referring to the real life person that is the creator of the character

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>>53944874
>>53944628
He means Anthony Burch.

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>>53944415
And did eveyone on the writing team forget that Maya had healing as one of her three skill trees? Where is my fucking alternate ending where Jack's bullets bounce off Roland's shields and then he tps out under a bullet storm and then Maya just picks up Angel with her healing arms hang on I'm getting sidetracked mmmm and everyone leaves.
And then Jack posts a bounty because the Vault Hunters stole his daughter and the plot continues.
Double Alternate Plot: Jack fires from within Roland's shield badly wounding him and then as above but with Maya healing Roland and Angel. And then there's a cutscene wherein everyone says 'Oh no, Jack shot Roland from with his sheild, he'll be down for a while recuperating.'
Triple Alternate Plot: Jack shoots Roland as in Double Alternate but then Roland jabs himself with an instahealth and kicks Jack in the dick.

>>53944886
>>53944942
Oh, that guy.

Didn't he sing a song about Gamergate in front of a live convention audience or something?

>>53945281
I'm pretty sure you can't heal what Jack did to his daughter over all those years, pulling her out is like taking a terminal patient off life support.

>>53945332
Maya eats some Eridium and super heals her.

I mean you're absolutely right, but that rid rock is a hell of a drug so who knows.

>>53944504
Skipper?

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>>53945383
According to Google it's the initial alias of some character named Felicity.

Never played. Don't know more than that.

>>53945400
Ah, well considering all the crap Jack has done (which admittedly they kinda made a lot of that happen), I seriously doubt they even blinked at that. He screwed up an AI, which they thought was the case with Angel up until meeting her.

Honestly not the biggest wtf in the series.

>>53942357
[Seductive Saxophone Intensifies]

>>53944874
I thought her father became Krieg?

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>>53945507
As far as I know that's just fanon.

>>53945281
>Jack kills Roland
>He doesn't just respawn

And for that matter

>Kill Jack
>He, the CEO of the company which owns, creates and distributes the respawn machines, and is himself a rich man, doesn't respawn

>>53945633
>Jack kills roland
Jack owns the New-U relays. Doesn't explain the second gripe, though.

But I do remember a theory that the New-U stations don't really exist.
Buut Claptrap makes mention of them.
Buuut Claptrap also breaks the 4th wall in 2 talking about twinking items between characters.
>>53942172
Yes I would.
Tina, for all her faults, is a solid Bunker Master who is willing to actually learn from her mistakes and improve her GMing.

>>53945703
>Jack owns the New-U relays

And yet doesn't stop the main characters from respawning, when they're currently on an active vendetta against them. Even up till the very end, like the final boss fight, he doesn't.

>>53945703
New-U AND Claptrap don't exist.

And I'd play with Tina for the same reasons.

>>53945789
Explicitly because he wanted to do the deed himself. A weakish justification but there it is.

Not with her. God, I hated her voice. Her backstory is sad and all, but I couldn't stand actually dealing with her.

The idea of making an actual Borderlands TTRPG won't get out of my head, but it'd need serious work.

>>53942373
Gaige has the hots for cyborgs apparently, so I mean, don't expect to keep all your limbs.
As for Tina? lets face it, we all would want to kill ourselves after listening to her too much.
>>53945281
Quadrouple Alternate Plot: Krieg lunges at Jack at first sight. The credits play and the slideshow just shows Maya rezing roland before they all go home before it continues as normal, and the music is replaced with audio of Krieg just maiming Jack to death

>>53945898
There's a PbtA one.

Not sure how good it is, but considering the setting would actually fit inside AW, It's probably not terrible.

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>>53946079
Fuck.
I laughed.

>>53945304
That was Randy Pitchford. Look up "bigot song".

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>>53944562
Hey, I'm just trying to get a feel of the party! I'm cool shooting the medigun if someone else wants to Flame and Waffen!

>>53946195
>not Flame und Waffen

you had one job

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>>53942172
I would be open to it strange death-world child.

But first I wish to learn all your companions know in regard to these "vaults".

I believe that the knowledge within may aid me greatly in my own endeavors.
I also would like some crumpets.

>>53942172
I'll bunk her bad was if youknowwhatimsayin

>>53944451
My nigga

I don't want to fuck Tina.

I want to see Moxxi and Tina fuck.

>>53945633
The way I rationalized it, and a line from Tales of the Borderlands sort of hints at it too, Handsome Jack never set up an account with the respawn product because "I'm Handsome Jack. I don't do dying."

It's not unreasonable to believe he's so arrogant he never thought death or failure was a remote possibility.

>>53946154
>Krieg is reciting the lyrics to Sweating Bullets while Jack screams in pain and begs for mercy during the credits.

>>53942172
>Okay, you only need to say the word "Yes". Got it? Just say "Yes."
I'LL EVISCERATE THEIR SPLEENS FROM THROUGH THEIR SKULLS!
>...Close enough...

>>53945633
Apparently the new-u stations aren't canonical, and respawnibg isn't a thing. Or at least so says the Cuck

>>53947558
This is just a reminder that there are no laws on Pandora except what people with rocket launchers say there are.

>>53942412
Source?

>>53947463
Borderlands imperial guard when?

>>53949564
Are there none like it already?

I mean you've got alot of ganger regiments, and death world regiments, what about a ganger death world regiment?

Though I don't know if Pandora would count as a death world exactly by Imperial records, a shit hole world inhabited by human and mutant refuse certainly where no one would want to live normally, but its more like a pre-hive world needing to be settled.

>>53949680
Well we know that Pandora has several biomes other than desert now thanks to BL2, but all of them are filled with dangerous fauna and foliage that can and will kill you on sight. Most of the people living there are former prisoners/colonists that were supposed to be used for cheap labor in a mining operation that fell through.

Certainly checks out like a death world.

>>53949748
Don't forget it's also volcanically active and has a bunch of magic bullshit purple rocks that do magic bullshit things.

Also, Threshers are things that exist. Death World by default.

>>53949505
On what? Mayas purity?

>>53949564
But anon, Savlar Chem Dogs already exist.

>>53949303
>Burch says New-Us aren't canon
>There's an entire quest where you can kill yourself and Jack says you'll be fine since you can just respawn

How would you theme a Guard regiment to make it "Pandoran/Borderlands"?

Horde of expendable bandits and light vehicles compared to heavy Armour? On the other hand the Command staff and elites have all sorts of fancy Archaeotech gear and even personal shields?

>>53949564
>Add melee weapons to a borderlands game
> Chose between: an ex rogue trader who lost everything, an ork komandos, a kroot totem warrior, an eldar outcast
> Eridium is chaos
> Vault are necron "do not open" box

>>53950058
Nobody said he was good at writing, anon.

>>53950065
Doesn't Borderlands already have a couple of playable characters who are based around close combat?

>>53950096
Only three are good at melee. Brick in the first game and Zero and Krieg in the second. Didn't play 1.5

>>53950096
Brick, and Krieg are the standouts, but Zer0 and Athena have melee trees as well.
Also, Athena is a Mary Sue and you can't convince me otherwise.

>>53945633
>>53949303
>>53950058
>>53950080

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation

>>53950207
>TvTropes
Ugh.

>>53950207
>tv tropes
ugh

>>53950207
But that doesn't apply when they are activity noted in dialogue with the villain >>53950058

>>53950219
>>53950221
Hivemind

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>>53950063
Don't forget Bullgryns.

>>53950096
Yes, but there is no purely melee weapons, only guns with bayonets (all kind of weapons with bayonet). While it's quite fitting for 40k, it would still lack a weapon category for chain and power weapons and other melee weapons.

>>53942248
Lady Hammerlock too if you're brave. Athena.

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>>53950219
>>53950221

>>53950265
Krieg literally wields a chain-axe

>>53950265
Borderlands weapons are some of the most Orky weapons ever.
I mean, fucking SWORDSPLOSION. It's dakka, that shoots choppy, that goes boom, into smaller choppy, that also go boom.
Mr. Torgue has to be an honorary Big Mek.

>>53950295
it's a buzz axe anon. get it right.

>>53950229
The sad part is, this would've taken ten seconds to fix

When the player meets Claptrap at the start of the game, have him mention that the Crimson Raiders succeeded in destroying Jack's New-U system, but he held onto a couple of spare registry keys to let the BL2 cast use them to fight Jack.
Or even say that Jack removed Roland's data from the system, and actually give them a quest to sneak into a Hyperion base and delete Jack off of it without him realizing it. Jack's megalomania would be explained a bit more in that he thinks he's literally immortal, then you could watch the realization that he could actually die during the final boss

Burch is one of the laziest goddamn writers in the world that he'd rather destroy any sense of internal logic and consistency rather than put in ten seconds of effort to make things fit righte

>>53942412
>she fucked a skrag
Hot.

>>53950325
Most people on borderlands are pretty much orks, so yeah.
Others are called victims.

>>53950367
Hell, you could just have angel say that she secretly logged you into the system.
wouldn't explain Jack not being in there, but hey, it's a start.

>>53950265
Bullgryns, and close combat psycho squads with chain axes, grenades and combat drugs

>>53950207
the word you're looking for is Ludonarrative Dissonance.

>>53950495
it's on the page

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Just a friendly reminder that Best Borderlands character is from Tales of The Borderlands.

>>53950151
how is she a Mary-Sue?

>>53950649
She's like a Clap-Trap... that DOESN'T make me want to kill myself to escape its presence.

And she gets some sexy gams.

>>53950649
tales of the borderlands is the best borderlands

What system should I go about using if I wanted to run a Borderlands game?
It should be something that can handle a wide variety of weapons with randomly generated stats, the way they are generated should probably just be homebrewed because I don't think there is any system out there that has something like it built in.


>>53950367
God I hate Burch, it's not even about the shitty fucking "lmao he's a KEK" memes he is a genuinely bad writer and I'm glad he works for Riot Games now where he can't ruin the lore because it's shit already.
I wish they'd just go with the Tales from the Borderlands writers for the sequel, Telltale is shit at making games but their writers are talented.

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>>53950710
There was this...

>>53950207
>bad game design
>every example given is a highlight of bad game design.
You've convinced me, anon. Totally forgiven, good writing abounds.

>>53950649
That reminds me, the Pandoran 1st Guard Regiment would have one attached Titan

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>>53942172
>Bunkers and Badasses

>>53947558
>Moxxi and Tina
Seen it. check e-hentai for a Gary's Mod or Source Film Maker collection, IIRC.

>>53949860
Tannis and skags

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>>53950674
I find it maddening that Tales actually acknowledges some pieces of technology in Borderlands (Shields, Quick Change stations) while being completely willing to ignore them if it breaks the plot.

Like Vasquez's death. Shouldn't he have come back from a New-U station, being a high level Hyperion exec?

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>>53952031
>"Oh, I dunno maybe because SHUT THE HELL UP, MORTY!"

Gotta say that brick stole the entire cutscene, though.

I would join that campaign in a heartbeat.

What's your favourite BLands build, anons? I always liked the "Salvador wielding two Droogs". Midget hosing down a bandit encampment with two gatling sniper rifles.

>>53952421
If Handsome Jack didn't why would he?

Plus even if he originally was on "the list" with how cutthroat the ranking culture is on Hyperion maybe one of his fellow associates fucked with him to remove an obstacle.

>>53942172
Sorry, I don't associate with games made by embezzlement.
Tell randy to have fun when he files bankruptcy because of stillborn

>>53945789
I just assumed that Angel hacked them before she died.

>>53950525
I trust you

>>53952997
Toss up. Either Gaige's "700 Stacks of I don't need to shoot you to hit you for fuck you damage", Axton's "Good Luck, I'm behind two Mag-Rocket-Slag-Shield Turrets", or ZEr0's "Law and 0rder Gh0stm0de Massacre"
All are fun for different reasons.

>>53952997
Axton's full grenade/EXPLOSIONS build or Wilhelm's "drone carrier on two legs" build.

>>53952997
Mechromancer + Redundant Fibber and The Bee for maximum clusterfuck.
Or just Zer0 with a good ol' pitchfork and DP Harold. Or just Bee + Fibber all the way. wins the game.

>>53953793
>Law and 0rder Gh0stm0de Massacre
Aww hell yeah. First build I ever did in BL2, and it's still the best.

Borderlands 2 is the game that inspired me to make my own homebrew setting, and it's sad for me to see the complete trainwreck that the pre-sequel and most of the Gearbox team as a whole has become. I mean for fucks sake Burch.

>>53955565
I feel you, anon. BL1 and it's DLC were great, BL2 and it's plethora of DLC went even more crazy and was good(though Terramorphous and Voracidous are still cunts), then everything went to pot.

Friendly reminder that Tales from The Borderlands is the best realization of the entire Borderlands universe and is the best game in the Borderlands series.

>>53952997
I had a really fun all pistol build for Mord in 1, in 2 Axton's double nuke turret, then Captain America Athena.

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>>53955643
I KNOW!

>>53952997
The most fun I've ever had was playing Brick with an explosive artefact. Never mind builds, just Brick raging and laughing while throwing half a dozen explosion fists every second.

>>53955643
I have fond memories of Terramorphous, but that's mostly because I beat him the first time at a LAN party with a friend of mine after he had been stuck on him for days. We sat down to play, he died a couple times, and I told him "Look, if you're gonna beat a boss like this, you need battle music."

So I put on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHzLzhcvMxA
We kicked his stupid giant worm ass.

>>53952997
My favorite is a Cataclysm Maya, but dipping into her healing tree too. "Fuck you and everything around you, and also heal my friends with your deaths."

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>>53955862
My internet's not so good for multiplayer(Data limits, throttling dropping speed to dial-up ranges), unfortunately. Also pic related.

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>>53945633
>>He doesn't just respawn

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>>53956239
Nah. that's just Burch being a salty cunt about being called out for poor writing. It's even better in the room with the writing clap-traps. You could be a salt miner with all the stuff that he produces.

Still, if Gearbox kicked him to the curb that only means that the potential BL3 will have improved jokes and no memes......please have better jokes.

>>53952997
Krieg's "I don't care about 90% of the mechanics in this game I'm just here to melee everything (including myself) to death" build
or Salvador's "never stop gunzerking, never stop shooting"

I'm currently grinding up a Krieg with "deal elemental damage and never die" build. Bloodsplosion is hilarious and I can't wait to start soloing raid bosses once I get the healing from the elemental tree.

>>53952997
Grog Nozzle + DP Harold Salvador, solo raid bosses!

>>53944614
She 13; bet she good sucky-sucky.

God. I really wish Zero had been more than a glass cannon. It's so freakin difficult to get him through a third playthrough. currently taking a break from it before I break another controller.

>>53945789
Why would he stop a consistent stream of revenue?

>>53952421

>TffB gives the main character a shield
>it never ever becomes relevant during the entire game

>>53942172
I play with her.
But I also am looking for a woman who gives me blowjobs every morning and evening.

>>53950649
Is that just Phong from Reboot?

>>53956643
>>53955818
>>53953793

I have no idea why melee and autoaim like Anarchy or Nisha is so much fun in the Borderlands series. Normally running up to something and mashing one button till it dies is really boring, but Krieg and Zer0 make it fun and Blood-Soaked Shields+ Anarchy + Close Enough is hilarious for way longer than it should be (until you fight the AoDK Dragons which Anarchy will basically never hit because there's nothing to ricochet off and there's no mobs to slaughter for health). Anarchy Gaige remains my favourite character, closely followed by Sniper Zer0 because running the Dam Ramparts with a sniper rifle is awesome. It's like an all-you-can-crit buffet against Loaders.

>>53956643
YES

Krieg's "Hahahahaha you actually thought I was going to do anything but scream and butcher you with an axe" build is my favorite thing in any modern gen console.

>>53960677
The amazing thing is watching the AI trying to work out what the fuck is going on, since they're still all taking cover and attempting suppressing fire and a whole bunch of things Krieg gives absolutely no fucks about until he procs Salt six times in a row and then somebody grenades him through the entire RTB threshold before you can hit the button. Many times have I killed the last enemy in a fight with my LTF explosion because melee decided that I needed to die too.

Krieg was the character who made me realise that Khorne Bezerkers would actually be a legitimate threat to an actual army, although Krieg is probablymore overpowered than them.

>>53960530
Might have a lot to do with the weighty feel the melee hits (and really plenty of the guns in general) have in combat and the characters reaction to when you perform a particular action of set of actions. Yeah, you just spammed w+M1 but you managed to clean out that entire bandit den in less than 15 seconds AND some dude exploded cause you hit in the face hard enough with a giant buzz saw/meat cleaver hybrid that got Krieg to spit out some kind of silly one-liner.

You gonna sit there and say that doesn't feel awesome when you do that?

>>53950674
Its actually amazing how good it is considering how terrible most of the point-n-click adventures are.

Minecraft Story Mode, anyone? All that awful zombie shit?

>>53949748
>filled with dangerous fauna and foliage that can and will kill you on sight
>death world
Anon, that's Earth. Most of the dangerous stuff has simply gone extinct or learned to avoid us. Or, in the case of some breeds of wolves, learned our one weakness: the puppy-eyed stare.

>>53961082
Yeah, fair point. The gunplay is really satisfying, especially when you're running around firing at anything vaguely near an enemy while Vortex Grenades are going off everywhere and Gaige is yelling at you for breaking the game and developing a hell of a god complex. If farming was just SLIGHTLY easier and bosses could be spawned scaled to your level after the first fight, there was way more story DLC and you didn't have to slog through the first fifteen levels before the Big Dam Rescue every time it would be the perfect game.

Also, plasma casters. Plasma casters are amazing.

>>53949476
This is a reminder that it works exactly the same on planet earth

>>53945898
There's a French version for Savage Worlds, but in French.

>>53945898
>>53946107
There's also Starfinder coming out, if you can stand d20. Weapons now come with their own levels and do all sortsof crazy shit, from acid rifles to shock grenades to swords that cause knockback and set people on fire. The soldier class is super badass, plus an operative sneaky sniper, mechanic with pet robot, technomancer reality hacker and for a siren you can slap the phrenic archetype on any class for psychic/magic powers.

>>53962433
I'm cautiously optimistic about Starfinder. Lots of stuff they said sounds good, but... it's Paizo. They were always good at making big promises and then delivering shit.

>>53952997
Mordecai's "Ignore your shields with a fucking masher while my Murder Bird cleans up those rabbits I mean midgets"

RIP Bloodwing

>>53962480
I'm just hoping for a decent system and planning to ignore their setting/fluff.

>>53944942
>suddenly reminded that I'm not Anthony Burch

Thanks anon!

>>53960720
I fucking love playing as Krieg, he is by far the most fun to play.

"Fuck your bullets and your nukes, I'M A GIANT SLAB OF FLAMING MEAT WITH AN AXE"

>>53963022
Krieg is fucking awesome until you run into a Buzzard, but in my experience those things are a pain no matter what so he can be forgiven for that.

>>53963396
Just get gud at leading your thrown axes.

>>53952421
New-U doesn't actually exist in the game world.

>>53963485
Thank you for repeating an old line that's been said countless times and adding nothing of value by it.

>>53963513
You're welcome.

>>53945383
>>53945400
She's the top of the line military AI of a crashed starship that was reprogrammed to be the tech chief turned bandit leader's waifu. She actually helps Jack's vault hunters because they seem the better choice than the raiders she's stuck with. Later on Jack pretty much lobotomizes her by stripping away everything but her core program to make the AI that is copied into hyperion's robots and everyone is like "yeah well sorry we need to make robots to fight the badguy so even though you've been nothing but helpful and friendly to us we're going to delete your personality and stuff whats left of you into killbots without any sense of remorse cause we're edgy and shit!"

>>53950151
I wouldn't say she's a mary sue, so much as she's a the best of the bad. Pretty much every character in borderlands is a murderous bastard, and 1.5 turned that up to 11 and a half cause "you the badguys now LULZ" so the one character who was like "maybe we don't have to burn /all/ the babies" comes off kinda sueish.
If you mean the fact she's a special forces solder we'll all the hunters are some kind of badass.

>>53962733
Paizo usually fails on both fronts.

I'll still give starfinder a shot, and either be vindicated or surprised.

>>53950710
In my opinion, the closest existing tabletop experience to Borderlands is playing Rgoue Trader with a party consisting only of Ork PCs and every splatbook that contains orky weapon upgrades. Triple-barreled explosion-and-lightning shooting weapons and other crazy bullshit abound

>>53956239
>>53945633

It's a shame, they could have EASILY made a great plot point using the New-U Stations.

Hyperion own the stations, so have a huge amount of control over them.

As a result it didn't take long for Roland, Brick, Mord' and Lillith to have their names and data deleted from the network and blocked from respawns. This being the big reason why those guys take a more back-seat approach and have the newest group of Badasses take the lead, because they've not been scrubbed by the hyperion.

And by the time Jack does get around to blacklisting them and wiping them out for good, it looks like somone with connections inside hyperion, access to all of hyperions technology and data and a way to remotely manipulate it has managed to sneakily compress or conceal their identities in the system so they can't be "Removed." and prevented from respawning. And to add the final nail to the coffin, also managed to remove Jack from the system and block him from using it.


Unrelated, but I really hope Nisha and Wilhelm show up to some extent once more, I guess Jack kind of shrugging them off as pawns is part of his character, but those two were the most interesting yet we got left with Athena.

>>53965347
Both Nisha and Wilhelm are canonically dead, which is a shame cause both are more fun to play than claptrap or Athena. Not counting the 2 dlc characters. If by some means they retcon their death as just needing a bullet to the head to set them straight, I wouldn't mind playing them again.

>>53965538
if they did a remake where you can play any of the 16 characters across the entirety of the 3 games it would be perfect. I'm saddened that they actually figured out the right tweaks in gameplay and number balancing right before shelving the IP indefinitely.

>>53962188
>earth is a death world meme
Anon, just stop. We have very little to compare earth to in terms of threats due to a lack of discovered extraterrestrial life, so calling earth a death world only really applies to cringe inducing hfy treads. The absolute worst places earth has to offer in terms of flora and fauna would be Africa and Australia, both of which would be considered tropical getaways to your average pandoran.
>inb4 dangerous weather
We've discovered planets made of shit like silicate and other jagged minerals where the storms generate winds at speeds that can whip this stuff up with great enough speed to absolutely shred anything on the surface. Sure you could say similar shit could happen on a mountain, but we're not all living on a planet spanning mountain that does this shit every few hours or so.

>>53965910
This does bring an interesting idea though, of a stealth-Death World. A Death World where the people have adapted so well to it that for all intents and purposes it seems to be a regular lower-tech civilized world. Right up until you realize the farmers are routinely arming the giant deathwolf traps, or making sure that the exploding hypercorn doesn't fully gestate past it's edible stage.

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>>53962082
> how terrible most of the point-n-click adventures are
For your own sake, I hope you aren't actually serious, nigger.

>>53966111
Sam and max aren't "most" of their point and click adventures

>>53966356
TellTale didn't release a single point'n'click adventure game since Back to the Future.

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>>53966356
>>53966413

What kind of Borderlands campaign would you prefer?

One modeled after the mainline games where the players are all Vault Hunter mercenaries that take on various jobs along the way of finding a legendary treasure.
Or one more inspired by Tales from the Borderlands where the players are all (relative to crazy psychopath Vault Hunters) regular people and the plot can be anything fitting into the insane Borderlands universe like bandit wars on conflict ridden planets or Mega Corporation shadowrunnig.

>>53960530
ever tried sniper maya? she is a better sniper imo. you get to heal allies and have a free headshot button. ana eat your heart out.

>>53968786
Never, although I probably should do a Maya run given I've done one with every other character. A friend of mine wants to pick the game up, maybe I'll support him.

Thing is snipers want Jakobs, and Maya wants elementals, right? What guns do you use?

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>>53945857
>New-U AND Claptrap don't exist.

New-U is not canon, because it is a game.

But, Claptrap? That guy is a full character with 2 DLCs centered around him. He is canon. He also breaks the 4th wall because LOLZ HUMOR.

>>53968984
its been years, but tree goes like this i think
http://bl2skills.com/siren.html#050501300050050100000505410500

stick with jacobs. bee shield, slag longbow,ect. you actually have more raw gun damage thanks to reaper and a few crit boosts.

>>53969194
Yeah. I can buy New U's being just a gameplay conceit, though really I think they make sense in universe and Burch is just a hack, but fucking Claptrap is like a major, major character. That's like saying Jack doesn't exist, or Marcus. Hell, even the latter is more removable than CT

>>53966659
What are you even trying to say with that screencap

>>53969222
Ah, no actual Elemental buffs. Nice, psychic sniper is always cool and I can rez allies, which is always so far past handy it becomes routine.

>>53962700
Oh god yes. Bloodwing spec was fucking hilarious. Though I mained a Double Anarchy instead of a Masher.
Watching Eridians charge me only to collapse from about 166 bullets in three seconds was hilarious.

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>>53942172
How about you play some dungeon explorer with me?

>>53944614
Have you heard a twelve year old talk? Making Tina a memelord makes total sense.

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>>53944942

>>53950280
Athena and Janey Springs are a thing.

>>53952997
"Everything is Dazed and on fire, and i can just emergency button away and regain 75% of my health" Lilith.

No wonder she had a bit of a god complex in the 2nd game.

>>53955818
You are a good person who enjoys simple things

>>53972240
I did like the look of the Led Zep Lilly build, or I would have if they hadn't used it to phaseloot all the chests, leaving me to follow on and execute all the bad guys with a shield-bypass Masher crit. Revolver/Bloodwing was pretty fun, you just pretended you were in a western cause the bird killed everybody other than the guy you want to duel in about half a second.

>>53969752
>>53972419
Once you get Trespass up to full ranks Eridians were a joke. And Bloodwing was great for making everything explode then hand you full health. If anything survived you shoot them in the crit spots.

Forget what I swapped Trespass for when dealing with zombies though. And against Knoxx you just bring an SMG and stay in his face no matter what your build is.

>>53971964
And it should stay on the moon, with all the other insufferable gay people and Australians.

I'm genuinely surprised people like Janey Springs as a character when most of her character is hitting on all the female PCs and characters for quests and poor attempts at being "quirky".

>>53944942
Wait, Anthony Burch created Tina? Thank God I'm not him.

If Borderlands 2 had the Grinder from Pre-Sequel, it could have been the first good Borderlands game.
It's a fucking shame, because there's some solid ideas in this series, but none of them come together in a satisfying way. Borderlands 1 is dated as all hell, 2 is bad because of the abysmal drop rates and no way to skip cutscenes, and Pre-Sequel is bad because holy shit those characters are BORING

>>53972937
2 was also bad because they changed the math for "epic numbers" but the scaling gets fucked at later levels.

>>53969222
>>53968984

Maya's power lifts people up and holds them there for a few seconds - so in terms of gun synergy you really want DPS over ANYTHING, to the point that Jacobs pistols work really well with her, as do jacob assault rifles, jacob sniper rifles tend to fire too slowly to quite work with her.

But, fortunately the tanky/heal tree gives you bonus firing rate while her skill is in use.

In terms of elemental effects, guns that directly provide elemental damage aren't that useful for her (maliwan in particular tends to have too small clips and too slow a fire rate to be good for Maya) - she has an elemantal tree that allows her to PROVIDE all the elemental damage you need and renders gun based elemental damage largely redundant (and the melee override of her heal/tank tree allows her to produce a Slag hadouken that shoots slag lightning at any enemies it passes near before it explodes in a slag explosion).

I will forever be baffled why the devs for 2 for some reason felt that Maliwan SMGs were Maya's weapon of choice when Krieg or Salvador, who get bonuses from standing in the middle of battle hitting people a lot with bullets and firing elemental weapons, work so much better with that type of gun than Maya's whole "I have 2 seconds to kill as many things in the room that I can before running away behind cover until my cooldowns finish and I do it all again" playstyle.

(said playstyle is super fun though, very fast and hectic)

>>53973351

And early levels! And honestly the game doesn't really get fun until you're on the second playthrough because you have access to all of at least one skills tree (so classes feel distinct) and the numbers all seem to be about right for a good shooter game, plus enemies have a good mix of weaknesses and resistances to keep combat interesting.

>>53973472
If the rest of the game just kept feeling like the second playthrough it would have been pretty satisfying. Wouldn't mind certain parts being more solo friendly either.

Also, it annoys me that Krieg with a Rapier does the same damage before skills as anyone else with a Rapier because of how they worked his "totally uses a different melee formula"

>>53952997
In 1 I played Mordecai with an unhealthy fixation on melee. That carried over to 2 when I played a mostly melee Zer0. The only guns allowed are pistols.

>>53974022
>The only guns allowed are mashers.
FTFY

>>53956415
I can forgive meme-tastic writing, I can look past plot holes you could fry a Star Destroyer through.

What I can't deal with is bullet spongy enemies that exhaust all your ammo & then force you to explore dull levels to find more.

The first BL had good combat & it was fun to look around levels. BL2 was a chore to play. I'm not touching BL3 until the core gameplay is fixed.

>>53975073
The Pre-Sequel already learned from 2 and went back to the old calculations for damage and HP, it just sucked because of edgy villainy and the whole O2 gimmick.

Judging by the Tales game, hopefully 3 will include Fiona as a vault hunter and an action skill for environmental kills. Not sure who else though. Wouldn't mind Tina being playable, think of all the grenades!

>>53975138

well, the environment was repetitive in 1.5 (You're on a moon, it looks moony and rocky. Sometimes you are on a space station that looks like a corporate lobby in a business place, those are your two environments, have fun), the weird thing is that for some fucking reason level design peaked with the captain scarlett DLC.

Take the Pre-Sequel's gameplay, the level design from first or DLC, some of the writing and character design from the second, and boom, a game that'd be nickel & dimed in some way that'd make it annoying in a new way.

>>53965992
>exploding hypercorn
Not exactly corn, but it does kinda exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hura_crepitans

>>53975138
O2 isn't even an issue most of the time unless if you spam buttstomp and gliding at every possible opportunity.

>>53942248
There's also the two sisters from the TellTaleGame Tales From the Borderlands.
Sasha and Fiona

>>53960449
I like you!

>>53972575
One of my best mates, the guy who got me on to Borderlands in the first place has the gaul to continue insisting. to this very day, that Bloodwing was bad. Because the poor bird got stuck in a couple of doorframes. As if that wasn't user error.
Also did anyone else notice/remember that Bloodwing was male in the first game? I sure didn't til I went back to it recently.

>>53952421
Wasn't the Hyperion Station like, going haywire, or being hacked or something in that game?

Been a while since I played it.

I figure, at the time of Vasquez's death, the New U database maintained on the station was probably on the fritz.

Or, consider how Vasquez killed the hyperion exec to becoming Rhys's boss didn't respawn, I figure that internal politics on Hyperion station mean that everyone is constantly deleting their rival from the New U database every day, and everyone is just as commonly signing up again, and double checking throughout the day.

I mean, Wake up, log into New U, go to work, have boring meeting, delete ass-face from New U, go to lunch, have FingerBang shootup in cafeteria, suck up to boss, double check that I'm still in the New U, finish TPS reports, delete ass-face again, suck up to second boss, double check New U, go to company happy hour, get shit-faced, FingerBang shootout with bar buddies, go home. Wake up in the middle of the night to delete Ass-face. Have pleasant dreams.

I mean, sooner or later they're going to die somehow, may as well hedge your bets, neh?

I wanted a DLC where you invade Hyperion's space base only to find it filled to the brim with Jack clones who all went supernuts due to the original dying.
Also the alpha-clone in charge is now instead wearing Roland's face for funzies.

>>53977734
That would be amazing.

>>53977778
Sure as hell would've, it was even hinted at in Tiny Tinas D&D DLC....

To bad we never got to see it. I love waiting for content that will never be released. It's Quake 4 all over again. Unless of course the Pre-sequel WAS the Hyperion DLC just bumped up to entirely separate game.

>>53977835
>Unless of course the Pre-sequel WAS the Hyperion DLC just bumped up to entirely separate game.
Ding ding ding

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>>53977907
Then they should've just released it as an expansion to the main game for slightly less dosh. Like in the olden days.

>>53978013
>Modern vidya companies
>Not greedy cuntbags
Pick one, anon.

>>53981784
That's only a problem with AAA-companies, to be fair.

The problem is that before games were made for enthusiasts, and thus, for fun.
Nowadays they are made for the lowest common denominator, and thus, for profit.

Most of the individual developers (and I don't mean "indie" guys who just pretend to be such for cred - I mean the single developers with a passion, like Toady) are actually perfectly alright guys.

>>53952997
My Favorite was Salvador with health and bullet regeneration. I'd usually combine Slag with some kind of Shotgun. But I inexplicably got two Dangerous Heralds in the beginning of the game without realizing how great of a weapon it was and used them from level 8 to 37. I'm also a big fan of dual wielding Anarchist pistols and that Elephant gun.

Got the pre-sequel with a few friends in the humblebundle recently, that game is such utter shit. The new mechanics are boring, the new classes are boring to outright detrimental to have, and the camera fucked up a few times where it would lock onto the cutscene angle, even after the boss fight started. Awful experience