MtG Hours of Devastation

>>53940393
I like the Scarab God in a vacuum but considering the fact that everyone thought he was going to be a combo with the other two and he isn't makes me sad. Also, worst art of the cycle.

>>53940430
It makes up for it by having an absolutely ridiculous activatable ability.

Really cool cycle

Im definitely building zombie tribal Scarab God for edh

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I am very pleased with this cycle. They all make interesting commanders and I'm sure they will also impact standard.
Well done WotC.

>>53940393
>scarab god doesn't combo with the other 2

Booo

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>>53940393
>nice flavor
>shit art
>why

>>53940531
>Implying you don't discard fodder with Locust to recur with Scarab.

I am surprised at how well put together this cycle is. The Amonkhet gods were such trash and this makes them look even worse.

Locus is a completely new spin on UR that doesn't involve casting spells.

Scorpion rivitalizes a lot of old wither cards much like Hapatra, except more on color.

Scarab is a mix of every non mill strategy in its colors. Which is refreshing. Except that we already have two Dimir Zombie commanders.

9.5/10

>>53940583
then you put a -1/-1 counter on it and sac it to make tokens with Locust

>>53940430
>everyone
whomst?

>>53940583
I think they were hoping for the three gods to potentially go infinite when on the board together, something like:
>Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, put a -1/-1 counter on target creature.
for the Scarab God.

>>53940583
>exiling your own graveyard
>recur

This is more designed to graveyard hate and steal your opponents stuff.

>>53940393
Fucking thank you for making it do something that wasn't just mill, its actually pretty good/cool

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>>53940393
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>>53940607
Eh, the locust god is actually just a new spin on niv mizzet or nekusar in practice I believe. But hes very cool anyway and probably will draw less hate in commande I assume as he isnt a 1 card combo like Niv and not as easy to kill with and fewer colors than Nekusar

Looking forward to playing these fucking things.

>>53940430
>>53940535
To be fair, the art is decent, but the design is terrible.

>>53940393
>that moment when they pull one over on us all and have one for every color pair, but don't spoil the rest
I mean, yeah its nico bolas, but still. I want some new R/G tech that isn't a terrible planeswalker

>>53940430
Scorpion God looks worse just because the stinger and head and way too bunched together.

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>>53940393
>spawns insects
>not green/red
>why?

>>53940779
I actually think scarab looks the worst because the scarab part is so rounded and cartoony.

>>53940815

Because there is more to the text of the card than the creature type it makes. Nothing about the card says RG.

>>53940815
Because everything it's doing is U/R other than the creature type of the token, and G/R would not be having flying tokens that are made on drawing cards, nor an ability to draw first then discard.
Just pretend they're locust-shaped elementals if it bugs you that much

>>53940815
The locust god's locusts consume magic (its purpose in the hours is to devour the hekma) which is why theyre blue and not red I suppose.

>>53940855
>blue and not red
Not green i meant. I can see locusts as red fine enough

>>53940855
the tokens are blue and red though

>>53940720
It opens up token strats for UR, which I consider new. Midwrack liege makes these guys 3/3s and slaps your commander down for 2 mana cheaper.

I wonder how expensive the scarab masterpiece will be. I'd buy that shit for edh

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>>53940815

Wizards why didn't Delver change color after it transforms? Creature types are only allowed to be at most two different colors REEEEEEEE

>>53940884
I guess so. I just think thr most effective strategy is just gonna be wheeling a lot and then treating the tokens as burn effectively. i didnt even think of UR tokens.

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>>53940884
Yes that's a good point. I imagine pic related would fit in very nicely.

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Maybe it makes sense that they don't combo. Why would Nicol Bolas, the next best bad guy behind Phyrexia have subordinates who could amass infinite power and usurp him? Feels more likely flavor wise to have disjointed gods who can still work decently together. Reach?

>>53940910
Delver is a blue because its an abomination created by science. Theres a flavor reason its blue. There is a reason this guy is blue too though so.

>>53940937

Point being that insects don't have to be any specific color, because like you said there can always be a flavor reason.

>>53940937
That, my good man, was bait. And you have fallen for it. Don't you look the fool!?

>>53940922
Well, its definitely an expensive bulk rare perfect for edh. My thought was favorable winds

>>53940970
>favorable winds
well yeah that one too

>>53940959
Yeah but the problem is flavor can be used to justify anything. Its a pretty fluid thing.

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>>53940815
>looting
>haste
>part of Bolas' grixis color pie
That's why dumb dumb. Red has insects as well.

WHY IS EVERYONE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LOCUST GOD NOT BEING GREEN WHEN THE OTHER TWO ARE ALSO INSECT BASED?

>>53940989

Because it makes insect tokens, and clearly insects are only allowed to be green. Ignore all those non-green insects, insects are nature and so are green.

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>>53940989
>>53940910
>>53940855
>>53940842

>>53940989
Scorpions are centered in black and also they are just hurty animals which feels red. Scarabs were black in Amonkhet and U was one of the zombie colors in this block because of rmbalm and now eternalize so scarab god colors made sense. The justification fot the blue in the locust god flavorfully is a little more abstract.

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>>53940989
>>53940910
>>53940855
>>53940842
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I wish the scarab god's head looked a little less like a kid's playdough model and a little more like scarab amulet type thing.

>>53941034
>>53941049

Wow, so you're telling me there are green insects? Thank you for informing us. Clearly this means that's the only color identity they can have.

>>53941034
>>53941049
what are you trying to prove?

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>>53941082
Wait, there's more

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You know what would actually be decent against the locust god?

>>53941085

That he's a retard who doesn't seem to get the argument that looting, haste and flying are all very blue and/or red.

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>>53941085
Just drunk and rolling with the autism

>>53941100
Funnily enough they commented on the flavor fuck up here in the article for the locust god. The god is meant to take down the Hekma, yet the card representing its protection stops what he does very specifically.

>>53940393
That's the cycle?
Only Bolas color gets gods?

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>>53941040
>abstract
I dunno, flying is pretty self explanatory for being blue and card draw is just consumption or desire for knowledge. It's a bug shaped god that spawns a plague to eat shit.

The only fucking reason people are getting mad is because the insect type tokens when shit like Talrand and Docent of Perfection exist. It's dumb. Don't pigeon hole design for your autism.
>>53941034

>>53941049
>>53941096
Okay but this stupid thing and the entire fucking Delver line of creatures. Insects are also in white what are you gonna do about that?

>>53941127
Yes? They are Bolas's gods after all and were told specifically that there were originally 8 gods.

>>53941127
Yes.

>>53941127

Yes, we've known this since very early on in Amonkhet. There were 8 gods, but 3 went away somewhere.

>>53941127
Yes.
Originally there were 8.
That's 5+3.

>>53941144
To be fair not everyone reads the story

>>53941136
Flying can be used by all colors when necessary flavorwise except green which still gets it rarely like when dragons mattered in Tarkir. I think locusts could be characterized as squarely red so i think if the god didnt need to be UR the tokens themselves could be monored.

>>53941123
They could have put as a passive ability "Damage can't be prevented" as that is still in red's flavor and removed flying since the other two don't. But that would be too wordy even though they thought 9 lines of text would be ok for the scarab god.

>>53941140
>>53941142
>>53941144
>>53941148
Oh ok, cool. I can understand why they went away though, these 3 are fucking ugly compared to the others.

>>53941136
>>53941177
Also the abstract part is that its blue because of its association with the hekma, and the locusts are specially designed to take it down. So in other words its kinda the same reason blue gets counterspells, its really good at dealing magic. Of course the actual card's abilities are solidly UR.

>>53941177
I would still characterize locusts' as black since they are synonymous with famine and black is the color that is opposite of G/W the color which heavily likes agriculture

God damn I don't know what to play in Standard anywhere.

>>53941212

These ones are ugly because Bolas twisted them to make them that way, which seemingly also changed what animal they represent. Nissa has said that all the gods were "mammals, birds or reptiles" before Bolas came around.

>>53941212
They didnt just go away, bolas killed them and stored them away himself, warping them to be used during the hours. They also werent always bugs, all the gods were originally reptiles, mammals, and birds. So bolas fucked em up good.

>>53941242
Which means at least one of these three was a bird.

>>53941242
>>53941246
>insects are baaaaad
nissa is hitler

>>53941255

Or Kefnet was just really lonely.

>>53941231
Oh yeah given absolutely no context id place locusts as green (theyre all about eating) or black (plague/famine). But i can see red if we think of them as being mindless overconsumers. The distinction from black would be that black does it for self benefit, and green wouldn't overconsume. It depends on how you want to characterize locusts. But i agree the first thought is black given no other context.

>>53941255
Not necessarily, Kefnet is an Ibis.

>>53941255
Probably the Locust god. Most likely easier to turn something with wings into something else with wings

>>53941261
To be fair theyre all pretty shitty bugs. Scarab more literally than the other two but still.

>>53941255
>have egypt plane
>no fucking falcon head god

>>53941261
She was elf-hitler until they retconned her into a more typical treefucker elf that just loves nature and flowers and birds.

I'm more upset the original five are dead. Oketra and Hazoret were bros.

>>53941281
I mean, Snakes and Crocodiles aren't really that much more pleasant

>>53941312
And Bontu is a bitch. Coincidence? I think not.

>>53941322

She just wanted to impress Bolas-senpai

>>53941322
How was she a bitch?

>>53941327
She asked for the initiates to give her their hearts, but the only one she ever wanted was Bolas's.

>>53940393
Why do all three look like their legs are buried into the fucking ground? It's like the artist can't draw legs or something.

Also I'm noticing an unhealthy amount of frogposting in this thread...

Anyone here still using Pucatrade?

If you do, I would like for you to zero me out, I want out.

https://pucatrade.com/profiles/show/169815

>>53940779
I think they were going off of that ancient story about gilgamesh and the scorpion people. I can't think of anything else where there is a man with a scorpion for a head.

>>53941185
Create a 1/1 blue and red Insect creature token with flying and "Damage dealt by this creature can't be prevented".

>>53941544
Nah, just put 'Damage can't be prevented' on The Locust God

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Guys... People thought he was bad in limited... Now he can be a 4/4 and unblockable...

>>53941782
That's not the worst, but I'd still probably rather have something with evasion that has more impact the first time around.

>>53941782

Or it never goes into your graveyard, as they laugh at you attempting to race with a 1/1 unblockable.

>Bolas picked them because of their color alignment
>ignored Kefnet, Bontu and Hazoret

Why?

>>53941863
Is that stated somewhere? I assumed he forced them into fitting his colors after stealing them away, sort of like he did with turning Sarkhan and Tezzeret black-aligned.

>>53941863
Well bontu and hazoret seem to have daddy issues with bolas, kefnet... He got mindfucked so...
I just hope they explain what the purpose of the 3 gods were BEFORE bolas...

>>53941782
How's that? Is there an eternalize anything card now?

>>53941907
But then why not just pick the gods that already are his colors?

>>53941941
Did you see the OP?

>>53941941
The Scarab God?

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What are some awesome dudes to bring back late with Scarab God in Standard?? Particularly in Grixis but I'm interested in anything really. I'd particularly like to see low mana dudes who benefit from the better statline

So far I've got Gifted Aetherborn, Goblin Dark-dwellers, any gearhulk.

>>53941953
>>53941959
it took me a second too. I just skimmed it and assumed it placed a generic 4/4 zombie on the field. Which would still be fine but this is obviously much better.

>>53942054
Neheb, The Worthy

>>53942054
Gear hulks would be great for the etb's. if it wern't so color restrictive Imagine getting a Samut.

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Djeru the Purified(?)

Legendary creature - Human Warrior - 4/3

Vigilance

When ~ enters the battlefield you may search your library for a Planeswalker card, reveal it and put it into your hand. Shuffle your library afterwards.

If a source would deal damage to a Planeswalker you control, prevent 1 of that damage.

>>53942285
>tfw you realize you could probably learn German through Magic cards

>>53940884
This guy has several strengths over mizzet due to how insane he is with cards like ashnods, phyrexian altar, skullclamp, mana echoes etc. Still not better due to no curiosity shenanigans, but in a non competitive meta this guy is stronger.

>>53942506
He's gonna be super fun in commander, but fuck do I want a scarab god deck in every format.

>>53942285
>Djeru and the Samut PW make up the colors from creature Samut

They're both bland characters, but neat.

>>53942285
Lame, no one needs more planeswalker enablers

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This may be the worst card in the set. It seems like a while since a card has been this blatantly horrible.

>>53942670
>uncommon
I don't usually shit on Wizards, but jeez.

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>strong urge to build Scarab God Zombie EDH
>realize everyone else is going to do the same

>>53940607
>Except that we already have two Dimir Zombie commanders
Ghoulcaller Gisa is miles better than Gisa and Geralf, and those make Grimgrin look like shit.
The Scarab God actually helps zombies win.

>>53942702
We can all do it! Yesssss

>>53942670
This is absolute trash.

>>53940607
seconded. its especially amazing considering the rest of Amonkhet and most of Hour so far.

>>53942670
They're not done with the set yet. Give 'em a moment.

>>53942670
Yeah, this is just objectively abhorrent. This really just goes to show how fucking terrified they've become of removal. Least that's changing cause corporate is fucking pissed with the fact that their strategy of "Let's only pander to SJWs and braindead retards" isn't making the money they want

>>53942702
Literally all I have to do is replace Gisa and Geralf.

>>53942763
No, you replace something in the 99 and put gisa and grealf in there

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>>53942670
I think it's really good in limited. People also underestimated the reach Zada's Commando gave aggressive decks and this can double as creature pinger, making combat awkward and x/1s straight up bricks in your opponent's hand.

>>53942769
Gisa and Geralf suck tho.

>>53942670
These things are a nightmare in limited, some dude always winds up getting passed 3-4 of these in a draft and just machine guns you down.

With -1/-1 counters floating around though, this might be the worst one yet

>>53942771

I think adding 1 to its cmc is hardly worth creature pinging, especially when that pinging causes it to be a blank card for a turn. And especially when, like >>53942838 pointed out, it's a 3 cmc 1 toughness creature in a set full of -1/-1 counters. At uncommon.

>>53942771
that thing has first strike and costs 1 less

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Finally, Wizards gives us the mana dork we've all been asking for.

Is Oracle's vault used in any decks? It seems fun, even if it wants some buildup.

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>>53942950
This is honestly hilarious with Kiora.

>>53942965
You have to pay mana to untap the land.

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WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS SO FUCKING BROKEN ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY

>>53942974
Surprisingly good for an uncommon. Graveyard hate is going in every sideboard around

>>53942974
Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

>>53942974
This is legit nuts.

>>53942974
More shit for the counters company deck. Yikes. Grixis also revives their fucking snap for 1 B

>>53942969
Ah dang we were almost there.

>>53943010
If you want to actually generate mana you have to exert it.

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>>53942974
Whoa boy. If that is real I want a playset of those. Might actually work on building a standard deck again.

>>53942974
>Cast Snapcaster
>Target Claim
>Target Snapcaster
>Target Claim
>Target Snapcaster
>Target Claim
>Target Death's Shadow

No but for real this is fucking stupid with Snapcaster.

>>53942999
>Living the dream of Snap into Claim for Snap into another Claim for Snap into another Claim for Bob all for 5 mana
I know this is magical Christmas Land-tier but goddamn son.

>>53943100
The card is going to be Twin levels of miserable. Oh you tapped out? Let me just pay 3 mana to hit you for like 10 with a Death's Shadow.

>>53942969
Which is why you exert it to untap 2 lands because untap doesnt care that it's exerted because it's not untap phase untapping.

>>53943171
>untap doesnt care that it's exerted
Exert literally says that it doesn't untap in your next untap phase. Which means that it only generates mana every other turn.

>>53943184
He's talking about Kiora's untap

>>53940607
>completely new spin on u/r
>literally just niv mizzet but can be blocked

>>53943188
So you're playing a 4 mana planeswalker to generate a single mana off another card?

>>53943193
I'm not. I'm just explaining his logic. She's shit unless it's modern with bouncelands.

>>53943193
Not that dude but the original dream I saw was no cost to untap so I just read it wrong

Now it'd work something like
>T3
>Land
>exert to hit 4 mana, Kiora
>Kiora then untaps dude and a land, giving you 2 more mana to work with if you need it or you can chump with your dude.

Honestly I was just excited there might be a possibility of Kiora play, but I think her best chance was with Hangarback and that Era is over

>>53943207
Lets say you play hope tender T2.
T3, land, tap for 3, pay 1 exert hope tender to untap 2, tap for 4 total ,mana, kiora, 0 left, + kiora, untap hope tender, 1 land, tap land to exert hope tender, untap another 2 lands, play another 2 drop. Play 4 drop and 2 drop on T3.

>>53943190
you can't breath of fury niv-mizzet's damage
you can't shared animosity niv-mizzet's damage
you can't skullclamp niv-mizzet's damage

I feel like Niv is good in a control deck where you want to turn card advantage into board control. Locust God is good if you want to kill people really hard.

>>53943248
Yeah, this one card that makes infinite combos with literally over half a dozen others is pretty trash when it comes to killing people really hard, better durdle around with tokens.

>>53940989
They are epiclords of the sick memes ka brain damaged subhumans who probably play edh and standard

>>53940393
God, the Locust God's art is fantastic. What the hell happened to the other two?

I wonder if anything will survive in Amonkhet or if the whole plane is just going to get nuked.

>>53943843
Magus of the Crucible and Oasis-something suggest that there is hope for the plane as whole. Kherna Scavenger also points to it being egyptian post-apo

>>53943925
Yea it makes me think once Bolae has his army he's going to fuck off and leave, instead of bothering to glass the place (probably can't anyway without Oldwalker power).

That'll leave some scattered survivors to pick up the pieces

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I had no idea these things are called hoopoe in English. That's an amazingly goofy name for these goofy shits.

>>53944197
Pretty good limited card at least.

>>53944208
If things slow down that is. Which I wager they will quite a bit.

>>53944324
WE

>>53940500
>>53940662
>>53940815
Fuck off, frogposter.

>>53944324
Oh for the love of god, can this plane please just fucking die?

Zendikar survived the eldrazi by bullshit, innistrad survived emrakul by bullshit and now we have another plane with "If we put everything we got, we will live" people AGAIN?

Please, I want a plane to just roll over and die. The other ones were at least beloved by people and wizard couldn't take them down but we know Amonkhet just for one single set nobody will really miss it if it explodes.

>>53944368
WUZ

>>53944479
If Amonkhet survives it's solely because Nicol Bolas doesn't give a shit. He's a busy dragon, he doesn't have the time nor a reason to track down and murder every last living thing on the plane. He swoops in, picks up his army he's been stockpiling, curbstomps the superfriends and rolls out to work on his next plot of interplanar fuckery. He doesn't even have to lift a finger for this all to work, since, in a little less than 2 days work 60 years ago, he set all this up to work automatically. Now all he has to do is come back to collect his army. He couldn't care less if the people pick themselves back up and rebuild civilization. What are they gonna do, come after him?

>>53944479
#RESIST

>>53944577
>yfw the plane survives because wizards is too jewish to even print an invocation damnation

>>53944479
Well mirrodin kind of died.

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>>53944911
The fuck are you on about?

>>53944991
oh fugg

so the plane is done

So, could Locust be an alternate wincon for New Perspectives?

Getting 20 tokens out by turn 6 seems very plausible.

>>53944540
KANGZ

>>53944324
>We are crops no longer, Rape elsewhere -Amonkhet natives to the nubian invaders

>>53945024
Bolas wins and picks up some cool zombies
That was literally the only purpose the plane had
It was literally bolas coming in and fucking shit up just so he could get some new zombies for his army

Is bolas' army for fighting the Phyrexians?

Maybe undead are immune to the effects of Glistening Oil and through conquering New Phyrexia he can reclaim his lost power.

>Gatewatch shows up
>Literally have to choose between Bolas or Phyrexia
>Koth immediately hops on Bolas' side

Could actually be really interesting

Realistically, could one build a B/R Control deck around Scarab God and -1/-1 counters in standard right now?

That and New Perspectives are the only deck types I've got any actual interest in right now, especially since so much other shit rotates soon.

>>53945196
I really don't want the Gatewatch showing up on New Phyrexia, keep it as a story of Koth and possibly Urabrask fighting the Phyrexians.

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>>53945233
It would have to be Mardu because this card is literally too good to not play

You're looking at more of a midrange type deck that curves into the Scorpion God, then uses him as a finisher/huge value generator with his triggered ability

If creatureless control decks become popular this deck won't work, but odds are creature based decks will still be the norm

>>53942240
>Samut would've been exceptional as the Worthy Dead if only she hadn't turned her back on the God-Pharaoh's ways
Holy fuck the flavor

>>53945233
innistrad's still in standard, right? get merciless javelineer and some madness you can probably get something cooking.

>>53945405
Yeah, it still is. Currently still sitting on some decks with Zendikar/Innistrad stuff, but I want to get some ready that don't rely on either of those two blocks, since they're rotating relatively soon anyway and I'd like to start selling off the stuff not worth keeping while it still has value.

>>53945285
Fair point, forgot about that gem. That shit really is way too good to not toss in some white. Just a bit of a shame that I won't be drawing things when using Dust, but I suppose exiling instead of destroying is going to be pretty relevant against most creature strategies, considering Claim being a thing, too.

>>53945445
Dust allows you to target at your own discretion so you don't have to exile anything you don't want. Even more handy if you are sticking -1/-1 counters on your own guys, you won't be forced to exile them.

It's probably a solid tier 2 or better deck.

>>53944197
SO CUTE!

>>53942969
Still comes to +3 mana from both... -1,+2,+1,untap, tap,-1,+2...

>>53945445
ur cycle drake

>>53943419
>playing the game just to win

>>53946238
RiP snekman, you were too rad for this world.

>>53946238
snek tiem

>>53946238
"FUCKING BOLAS"

>>53946238

I want to see the token for this.

>>53946238
this seems good

>>53946238
this seems crazy good for limited.

5/4 on turn 2, with the downside you only have 1 mana for turn 3?

>>53946238
I'm a huge Bolas fan but man these gods deserved better

>>53946238
>it trade with 4/3 minotaur
>can be fatel pushed
>heart of kern exists

pretty balanced

>>53944479
You are forgetting the awful Kaladesh story, where we get the rebellion/war theme done again but is done so poorly, even by Wizards standards, that it completely shocks me.
Nothing bad will ever happen to Kaladesh because they compleated Mirrodin into New Phyrexia and refuse to go back because newbies would get scared, making Kaladesh their artifact world where everything is PG rated.

>>53942325
Vocabulary-wise maybe but German really has a shitload of conjunctions, my man. The grammar really is a massive bitch.

>>53942670
A 3/1 for 3 is very playable in limited. Fucks up combat math, too and might two-for-one if you keep it on the defensive and still puts pressure on your opponent through the non-exert ping ability. Solid limited card.

>>53946359
This; it is way to vulernable to lock yourself out of your next turn.
The only way I can see this being used in a cool way is to turn 1 lotus petal and launch the snake at them.

>>53942670
What a lame card

>>53945257
I think Urabrask is dead m8. its a bit unclear

>>53944620
Jokes aside,when will rebels return? I miss playing with my old rebels deck.

>>53944220
Doesn't need to, a 2 mana 1/3 flying is already great in limited. The repeatable draw in the late game makes it better, but it wasn't bad at all to begin with.

>>53942670

If it felt 2 or 3 damage to a creature when you Exert it, it might be good. But as it is now, completely underwhelming.

>>53943081
Not really because flashback exiles no matter what.

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>>53946619
The creature type will come back. Searching your library and putting them into play? Might not come back for a long time.

>>53946642
Now that seems nice.

>>53946642
MORE TRASH FOR EDH AND NOTHING ELSE. YAAAAAY!
That's interesting, and it will be in the 99 of a few different combo EDH decks, but otherwise I'm solidly meh about it.

>>53946642

That is some lame ass flavortext.

>>53946706
It really is Ancient Grudge tier.

>>53946642

Literally the worst flavor text I've ever seen.

Also, EDH garbage

>>53940393
Fuck I just realized they're in Bolas colors.

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>>53946642
A lot of you may not notice it, but Razaketh is an 8/8 for 8. This is because MARO got flooded with complaints about Grislbrand being a 7/7 with a 7 life ability that costed 8. I assume this is done to appease those upste about that design choice.

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>>53946642
>>53946746

Additional Maro salt

>>53946766

So many garbage mythics, even more than usual it seems.

>>53940393
What exactly did Bolas do to them?

>>53946642
It's pretty strong but it's just begging to become another linear monoblack EDH combo deck.

>>53946810
He erased their memories, mutated them, and stored them away for a later date; kinda like when you clear out your flashdrive and put it in a drawer for a later use.

>>53941300
She also used to be a mammary monster. ;-;

>>53946777
meaning that the value of limited isn't dependent on who gets the bomb mythic/rare, amonkhet had the same problem with rares/mythics being kinda bad while uncommons/commons could make up for that and it was a very successful limited according to a lot of people... if this will continue idk, with all bad cards in general... self hate etc..

>>53946836

Amonkhet limited is one of my favorites but I also can't bring myself to draft a format where there's nothing of value to open. I played it a couple weeks then quit.

>>53946766
>>53946777
How is that garbage?
For 3 you aren't getting much, admittedly, but at 4 you break even, 5 you get a lot of really solid cards, especially in EDH.
I do wish it had a bit more to it, possibly a "Put a creature card with converted mana cost X from your hand to the battlefield" or whatever, to make it more flavorful.

>>53946642
>Liliana, the black aligned planeswalker, asked, insisted even, that the Gatewatch planeswalk to Amonkhet despite Ajani's warning in order to confront and defeat one of the two remaining demons with which she is bound due to her having made a bargain for the power of the chain veil, a magical artifact which has cursed Liliana and her rival Garruk.

>>53946865

I can't measure cards by EDH, otherwise everything just becomes "Playable in X EDH deck : ^)"

It might serve as a 1-2 of in some big green deck in standard but there's no way opening this is getting you any kind of money back.

>>53946886
>As well as Ob Nixilis.

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>>53942670
How can they keep getting away with cuckolding burn like this? This card is an unmitigated disaster any way you slice it. It's SO bad. Like, worse than usual. I can't even wrap my head around how bad it is, and we just recently got Open Fire spoiled. Holy shit.

>>53946898
>everything just becomes "Playable in X EDH deck : ^)"
Both you and I know that isn't true, look at Bounty of the Luxa.

And that still doesn't explain how the card is garbage. Yes, you probably won't get the value of the pack from it, but that's true of most cards. Being able to find your combo pieces in G/W Cats on turn four sounds pretty solid, though I will freely admit I don't play standard.

>>53946766
2GG: grab Vizier of Remedies and Devoted Druid.
Might see play in Modern?

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>>53946766
Literally Standard became Jund Bears, the format.
>Reanimate the Bear, Haste the Bear
>Berserk Bear, Haste, target creature can't block Bear
>Pay 4 mana, draw all bears

>>53946943
just use cut... ffs

>>53946959

>"look at Bounty of the Luxa"
Playable in Kruphix EDH deck : ^)

>>53947019
It isn't though.

Card slots are a limiting factor and bounty of the luxa doesn't make the cut.

Of course people may put it in there, but that is no different then anyone using bad cards in any format.

>>53947011
What.

>>53946886
Lol

>>53947011

>Pay 4 mana, draw 2 bears.

Wow, fucking unreal value there.

>>53947016
>sorcery
>only target creature
Fuck off.

>>53946238
In life, he was a 5/5 God with Deathtouch and Indestructible. In death, he's a 5/4 Snek. Way to stick it to all of the Nagas in the set, Rhonas. You really were Top Snek all along.

F.

>>53946485
I was thinking of throwing it into the Legacy deck, 8-land stompy. You already use winter orb to prevent lands from untapping, and quirion elf can bounce your forests back and let you play them untapped.

>>53947019
No, it's not.
Literally anything would be better.

>>53946602
We just know after the civil war that the red Phyrexians are more or less destroyed. Urabrask could have escaped, he is "the hidden" after all.

>>53942950
>1, T
No fun allowed.

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>>53942974
Yes.

>>53946238
Oooh, a staff turning into a snake? How biblical.

>>53945196
>Gatewatch
>Phyrexia
Please no, they already fuck up everywhere they've been.

>>53946238
Meanwhile in magical christmasland
>T1 forest
>T2 Forest, Mana dork
>T3 Forest, Double snakes
>T4 swing for 10

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>>53942974
>weaker version of trashy common from years ago
>with off-color gimmick
>somehow this is broken
Has Modern brainwashed you to instinctively dread everything that isn't creature or what?

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>>53942974

>>53947392
>thrashy
wow there. Unearth is a pretty good card

>>53947392
>Unreath is trashy
Opinion discarded.

>>53947392
>>53946777
LMAO @ these dudes

>>53940393
Everyone is trying to build some janky, boring zombie-tribal mill shit with Scarab Bro, meanwhile I'm over here doing cool shit like eldrazi that put exiled cards back into yards. Step it up, kiddos.

>>53947392
>thrashy
Nigga, this card has his own archtype in Pauper and it makes into Legacy decks sporadically.

>>53946865

>implying you'll play 3 different creatures with cmc 3

>>53947616
Scarab bro works better in a grixis control shell I think. Ignore the upkeep trigger and just focus on eternalizing value

>>53944197
The only reason this is blue is because of flying

>>53947616
I made flicker gonti and it seems solid
filtering from hell

>>53946766
This card is cancerous on the same level as collected company

>>53947659
Why? It doesn't put them into play.

>>53947011
translate? anyone??? all translate got me was khenra of rebirth, jackal warrior
>has some X pump mechanic and eternalize...

>>53944197
Going right into my casual Derevi deck.

>>53947702
when it ETB give target creature +x+x where x= khenra power.

Eternalize 4gg

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>>53947634
>I don't know what "for up to" mean

>>53946886
>>Liliana Vess of Domira, the black aligned planeswalker, asked, insisted even, that the Gatewatch, an interplanar defense force, planeswalk to Amonkhet, realm of Nicol Bolas, despite Ajani the Cat Man's warning in order to confront and defeat one of the two remaining demons with which she is bound due to her having made a bargain for the power of the chain veil, a magical artifact which has cursed Liliana and her rival Garruk who is also a black aligned planeswalker thanks to the chain veil.

>>53947641
>draw a card

>>53947616
There's no point in building around him, just play good cards and he'll turn them into value.

>>53947702
Literally ETB creature +X/X where X is it's power.

>>53947721

either you go all the way or it is shit

>>53947719
thanks, you the real mvp

>>53943240
Your math is wrong, you don't have mana to use hope tender's untap again

>>53947744
Can't wait to turn Gifted Aetherborn into a 4/4.

I wonder if Eternalizing Drana would be worth anything.

>>53947392
If we actually got this instead, I would have been preety excited. But no, we get a downgrade with a gimmick.

The usual wizards is scared shitless of everything legacy and then they print a fucked up mythic.

>>53947752
that card is good in tribal CoCo decks when you go out of gas in early game because of opponent disruption or because you slam all your cheap creature during the very begin of the match. As I can see the card gives his best at 4 mana for two creatures. Off course is sorcery speed and blah blah but it could dbe a fine add for some deck...

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>>53940468
you will want this fucker

>>53947824
4/4 is a nice statline, so anything with a nice effect benefits from it even if it makes them smaller, it's not as if you're bringing them back otherwise anyhow.
>>53947832
Oh shut up, you get a good card and you still whine that it's not good enough for your prissy ass.

>>53947889

Yea i'm just trying to find the best early game value creatures that would benefit from becoming 4/4's

>>53947832
I like Wander In Death, actually. It works just fine.
>I retrieve Bloated Toad and Bloated Toad
>and cycle them

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>>53940910

Almost everything can be found at some point in every color, usually most in one/two and few to very few in the rest, or with none in one color.

I'm ok with this.

>>53947964
>7 mana
>draw 2

>>53947719
he can target himself?

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>>53947995
There's a certain kind of deck that cycles for 2 colorless

>>53947011
Other than embalmer's tools is there some other way to lower the costs of these Eternals?

>>53946766
>with different names
Damn, for a second I was really excited about spending 6 mana to draw 4 Siege Rhinos.

>>53948063
Scarab God :^)

>>53947732
>Liliana Vess of Dominaria, the black aligned planeswalker, a being who has alighted the spark inside them allowing infnite travel in the multiverse, asked, insisted even, that the Gatewatch, an interplanar defense force who have sworn to defend the various planes from extraplanar threats, planeswalk to Amonkhet, realm of the ancient dragon planeswalker Nicol Bolas, despite Ajani the Cat Man's warning in order to confront and defeat one of the two remaining demons with which she is bound due to her having made a bargain for the power of the chain veil, a magical artifact which has cursed Liliana and her rival Garruk who is also a black aligned planeswalker thanks to the chain veil

>>53947941
Would have loved it it had been "each creature" instead of "target creature". I know it would be broken as hell but it would be dope.

>>53948094

Needs a paragraph about the Chainveil.

>>53948063

anything that lowers activated abilities

>>53947678
Paying 5 mana to tutor 3 insane 3 drops is still ridiculously powerful

>>53948197
Unfortunately, there isn't anything other than Embalmer's Tools that works on activated abilities of creature cards in your graveyard. All the things that reduce the cost of activated abilities of creatures won't work, because a creature card in your graveyard isn't a creature.

How good do you think Bontu's Last Reckoning will be? Seems like the drawback can be really punishing.

>>53947743
Drawing cards is green now

>>53948329
Exactly. Toxic Deluge is still superior.

>>53948329
Sucks bigtime against gods and haste shenaningans.
It's fine in other cases. Probably more than black deserved anyway.

>>53940393
OK, I like the Scarab God a lot.

>>53948430

He's certainly the best one, been brewing with him all night.

>>53948368
>>53948391
I can see it as a sideboard vs burn, but otherwise it isn't worth it.

>>53947392
*One of the best commons ever printed

>>53942670
Glad this is uncommon, that way you can avoid it.
Just like Goblin Test Pilot.

>>53945081
open into wonder... pull from tomorrow, new perspectives.. SO MANY INSECTS, SO MANY CARDS.

>>53948541
>>53947392
why did they print a good card at common rarity? isn't that bad for keeping the poorfags out of the game?

old mtg was so fucking stupid

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>>53948526
Burn dosen't really care about creatures after turn 2.
It may catch Zoo, Affinity and Infect unprepared.

>>53948054
MAKE ASTRAL SLIDE GREAT AGAIN

>>53948566
You're stupid.

>>53948617
poorfag spotted

>>53948584
I have the landbase for b/u/g/w now.
Forsake the Worldly is excellent hate.
>Mr. Toad's cycling control lock
Kill me

I'm curious if we're going to get a rare cycle of dual lands. I really want to build a Naya gods deck, but the mana base isn't quite there to do more than splash a third color. Even with the checklands coming in with dinosaur island, losing the bfz and soi block lands hurts a bit too much.

>>53948063
Training Grounds by 2 colorless

>>53946689
>>53946725
>>53946819
Cry more. Holy shit. If anyone should be complaining about garbage, it's the fucking limited and standard players. Have any of you noticed that whenever there's a fucking terrible card printed, like just fucking trash, such as
>>53942670
>>53944197
>>53946238
the only fucking thing people can say is,
>>53942771
>>53942838
>>53944208
>>53946341
>>53946475
>>53946635
>it's good, in muh limited

Are all of you really that willing to swallow every fucking large turd that WotC shots out? Don't complain about commander and then say that meme line "it's good in limited." It just sounds like "It was born without eyes or ears, but at least it still has a mouth to scream."

>>53949258
>Are all of you really that willing to swallow every fucking large turd that WotC shots out?

Look at the comment section of Mythic Spoiler sometime. Every single card will be defended.

>>53949307
Why?
Why?

>>53949331

Because people are stupid, have no idea how to evaluate magic cards, and seem to think that everything is good in limited.

>>53940884

You have to cast it from the Command Zone once before you can use Mindwrack Liege to put it down so you're not getting your commander out faster that way, but after that it's a very nice combo, especially since he'll keep coming back to your hand

>>53941842
you can -1/-1 or sacrifice target creature. If your playing another colors like red you can attach a Skin Invasion. Kill it get a 3/4 Insect horror. Exiled Slither Blade and get a 4/4 unblock able creature.

>this card is fine when played against cards that are just as shit

wew lad

>>53949365
Welcome to standard!

>>53942670

Red cards literally aren't allowed to be good unless they're another color too

>>53942974
Can you play this getting a snapcaster back and then target this same spell with the snapcaster trigger?

If so how

>>53948094
>Liliana Vess of Dominaria, the black aligned planeswalker, a being who has alighted the spark inside them allowing infnite travel in the multiverse, asked, insisted even, that the Gatewatch, an interplanar defense force who have sworn to defend the various planes from extraplanar threats, planeswalk to Amonkhet, realm of the ancient dragon planeswalker Nicol Bolas, despite Ajani the Cat Man's warning in order to confront and defeat one of the two remaining demons named razaketh with which she is bound due to her having made a bargain for the power of the chain veil, a magical artifact of unknown make from plane of artifice shandalar which has cursed Liliana and her rival Garruk who is also a black aligned planeswalker thanks to the chain veil

>>53949555
The spell is in the yard already.

>>53949608
>Liliana Vess of Dominaria, the black aligned planeswalker, a being who has alighted the spark inside them allowing infnite travel in the multiverse, asked, insisted even, that the Gatewatch, an interplanar defense force who have sworn to defend the various planes from extraplanar threats (that she probably joined to get into Jace's bed, the reasons she wants to will remain as unknown as all ruling for Pangalcial Wurm), planeswalked to Amonkhet, now the realm of the ancient dragon planeswalker Nicol Bolas, despite Ajani the angry monoeye Cat Man's warning in order to confront and defeat one of the two remaining demons named razaketh with which she is bound due to her having made a somewhat cruddy bargain for the power of the chain veil, a magical artifact of unknown make from a plane of artifice shandalar which has cursed Liliana and her rival Garruk who is also a black aligned planeswalker thanks to the chain veil (even though they're not really dark skinned). If there's anything Liliana hates, it's a Demon, especially Razaketh, the symbol of her contract.

>>53940815
>>53940662
Kill yourself frogposting scum your kind is not wanted here. Fuck off to the other board with this cancer.

>>53948884
Creature cards in graveyards are not "Creatures".

>>53949421
Red gets nice cards once in a while. The problem is that when others colors get broken cards, red gets merely good cards, and when other colors get weak cards, red gets unplayable trash.

>>53940393
why is both the cmc and the activation cost of this one more than necessary by anyone's standards?

>>53950979
I just started playing magic last week and even I realize that making the Scarab a 4 drop would be broken as fuck. Unless you're talking about the Locust idk why he's a 6 drop.

>>53950979
Because repeatable looting+a flying hasty 1/1 token is worth 4 cmc, and the evasion is worth bumping the thing to 6 instead of being 5 like the other two.

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Is it just me or is this good?

>>53951467
I'd play it

>>53951467
I like it.

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>>53951467

>>53951467

>Target activated or triggered ability you don't control

Should have been a "May" clause instead

>>53951680
i think you can cycle it without countering anything. Nothing is technically stopping you from activating cycle when there is nothing on the stack.

>>53951709

Won't the cycling be forced to counter itself, denying you the draw?

>>53951709
Corner case, if they use an ability that you want to have go off but still need to dig for a card that isn't that one, but you need it for this exact instance to interact with the ability in some way.
It's really the only time you'll ever need that may clause, and honestly I cannot think of a single scenario that you would.

>>53951734
>You don't control

>>53951766

>>You don't control

I don't think you get what I'm arguing.

I'm saying that the card would have been better and more fun if they had replaced "You don't control" with a "You MAY counter..." because that way you could use it to counter you own negative triggers while not forcing the cycle to counter itself

typically if you do want your opponents ability to go off, the opponent will not have that card in deck.

>>53951851

What are you talking about?

Are you not getting it?

>>53951813
You were arguing that the card counters its own cycling effect, and it doesn't.

>>53951467
What are the big modern/legacy cards this hits?

>>53951876
forgot to link >>53951766
i was talking about the corner case. If there is an ability that's good for you, chances are, that won't be a card the opponent will be using.

>>53951919

Have you not been following the reply chain or something, it's not very long.

Because if not then I can explain it to you since you apparently have very weak reading comprehension

It started here: >>53951680 where I said that I would have preferred if they had replaced the text about it only countering abilities your opponents control with a "May" clause. Because then you would be able to use it to counter, say, the trigger on your own Pact of Negation or Demonic Pact or whatever.

Then this person: >>53951709 responded and apparently misunderstood what I was getting at since he either thought I was saying that you couldn't cycle it in a vacuum as is or that you would be able to use it in a vacuum without it countering itself if it didn't have the "You don't control" clause.

Then (I think) you came in and restated the "You don't control" clause

if it said "you may counter target activated or triggered ability", could you choose to counter its own cycle?

if that's the case i think they might have designed it this way to skip a click on their shitty magic online program thing where everything takes 40 minutes to execute, which is a shame because it's cool to counter your own drawbacks triggers.

>>53952004

No, like I said, I wanted the "You don't control" text replaced with a "May" because then you could counter your OWN negative triggers and if you just removed the "You don't control" without replacing it with "May" then the cycle would be forced to counter itself

>>53952071

>if it said "you may counter target activated or triggered ability", could you choose to counter its own cycle?

Yes

>if that's the case i think they might have designed it this way to skip a click on their shitty magic online program thing where everything takes 40 minutes to execute

Honestly I think it's more likely that they did it this way because it's less confusing for the babies they so often try to market toward, but your explanation could factor into it as well.

>>53952073
i said i wasn't actually responding to you. it was to >>53951766
but i forgot to link the post. This person suggested that the only time this might be bad, is if there is an ability your opponent controls, that you want to go off, but still want to draw. My reply is that the opponent won't have cards with effects you want to go off.