Modern General

>playing Mardu Control

>hating burn

>I really need to get copies of leyline of sanctity

Reposting here

Are any of the budget options in here a good place for a scrub to start up?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/4icokv/my_list_of_100_budget_modern_decks/

>>53916145
What sort of stuff can i do with all the small/medium stuff from affinity? im getting a seeker tezzeret and have a inspiring stauary, i was thinking esper control but i dunno

i have Orinopter, Signal pest, etched champion, Master of etherium, and memnite. i was thinking of getting sme small cannon fodder stuff so i can use them to throw out big doods with IS

>playing infect
>hating affinity
>really hate chalice of the void

>no standard general
is it that bad right now?

>>53917239
lol

>>53917283
i would say it was when temur atherworks was a thing. but atherworks is banned now. desu i dunno whats at the core of that dumb format

>playing bogles
>not really hating anything, maybe skred red
>dat blood moon tho

Looking to build elves. Just built a budget mono-black devotion deck, but it's not competitive at all.

>>53916145
>UW Spirits (Scotsman's budget)
>I don't know.
Only played against Grixis Shadow (challenging, but fair, 3W/2L)
Sun & Moon (Not very hard, but only played, 2W0L)
Burn (pressuring, but don't hate, 3W/4L)
U-Tron (not very hard, but it was budget like mine, 3W/0L)
Bant Eldrazi (Not as hand-rapey as Grixis Shadow, not too hard, 2W/0L)
>Should I be worried about Eldrazi Tron, G/x Tron, or Affinity? I have 2 Ceremonious Rejection, 2 Kataki, 2 Disenchant, and even a Fragmentize.

>>53917464
>playing bogles
kys

>>53916145
>playing
Affinity, Cheeri0s, Dredge
>hating
Sun and Moon, Tron, Storm
>etc
Feels good

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>thinking about selling my karns/ugins and buying into something fun/cheaper to play on the side
>but sentimental value
>but cash

>>53917662
>first time I hear of sun and moon
>thought it was some weird deck featuring wheel of sun and moon
>tfw

Every time I read anything with "moon" in the name it's just some control deck with blood moon stuffed into it, fuck.

so what can actually beat all the E-Tron and Grixis Shadow decks running around?

>>53918545
Affinity, but you have to run artifact hate for their O stones.

>>53917960
I'd keep them. Karn is only rising in price anyways, and if you sell him now you will regret it later.

How is Jeskai control holding up?
What are the tier 1 decks besides shadow and tron?

>>53918715
taking turns

____:^)______

>>53918711
unless he's reprinted....

I've been working on building a lot of new decks lately, and it's become something of a hobby... Moreso than actually playing them, since most of the decks I don't even own the cards for. I'd like to be able to build decks during break at work, but the place I work doesn't have wifi in the breakroom so I can't access online card databases.

Do any of you have recommendations for downloadable card databases, preferably some kind of program with a good search function? That's really all the functionality I need, anything else like making proxy sheets or being able to make a deck list within the program is bells and whistles I'll never use.

>>53918959
If he is reprinted it will be in a masters set. That means he will go down by maybe 10 to 20 bucks and start rising in price slowly afterwards again.

I mean check out his price history, the reprint in MM2 had almost no effect at all.

>>53918545
3-0'd (two games post board) a Grixis Shadow deck today with my Merfolk today. Is this actually a good matchup or did I just get lucky? Haven't played modern in a while.

>>53919023
The reprints aren't for a permanent price drop, they're a short sale on the cards that get reprinted :^)

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catch me @ tournaments, releasing a tupperware container full of grasshoppers on the table when I play this card

>>53919125
What are you gonna play him in?

>>53919041
Tribals do very well against DS. Basically you just chump block and swing big on his small lifetotal.

>>53919125
I actually get out a bowl of Cheerio's and use them at my storm counters.

>>53919125
why do you have a container full of grasshoppers

>>53919275
how else are you supposed to summon the tokens?

>>53919260
I like the way you think

>>53919275
you don't?

>>53919322
with the insect tokens they'll probably make?
>>53919335
I don't know where to get so many grasshoppers

>>53919357
Pet store. They sell them for geckos to eat.

>>53919125
Why the fuck does his face look like a silver knight helmet

>>53919373
>Play Wurmcoil Engine
>It dies in combat
>Reach into bag and put 2 mealworms into play
>Opponent freaks out
>You, in an understanding manner realize they are upset because they don't know which has lifelink and which has deathtouch
>Label them for that guy and continue play
>Guy calls judge
>Get thrown out for mislabeling my Wurmcoil tokens, wtf?
That Judge thread please

>>53919412
>cast hornet queen
>use real hornets as the tokens

Magic on a whole new level

>>53919461
>Voice of Resurgence dies
>put my bonsai tree on the table as the token

>>53919461
>he doesn't literally poison his opponent when he does infect damage
Get on my level

>>53919566
>not coating one of their lands in a transdermal toxin and refusing to cut their deck

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>>53919412
>cast rite of replication on opponent's wurmcoil engine
>put a token that's a live worm into play
>opponent doom blades it
>cut it in half, label the half-worms with lifelink and deathtouch

>>53919461
Part of the fun is making sure they don't fly off and fuck other people's games up.

>>53919624
>cast Skullcrack
>smash a club over the opponent's head
>opponent can't do anything about it since the damage can't be prevented

>cast lightning bolt at opponent
>mike pence the shit outta that guy

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>Hostile Desert
>Land - Desert
>{T}: add {C} to your mana pool.
>{2}, exile a land card from your graveyard: ~ becomes a 3/4 element creature until end of turn. It is still land.
>"Mutavault was a mistake. Here is the correction." -Nicky B

The translation might be off a little bit

>>53919721
Turrible... just turrible

>>53919721
mutavault is super OP whenever it's in standard though. I for one am glad they decide to keep broken cards like lightning strike and mana leak out of standard in favor of more balanced cards for a more enjoyable play experience.

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>>53919721
YOUR TIME IS UP MY TIME IS NOW

What essential card should I put in a ub mill deck?

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>>53920467

>>53920467
mindbreak trap

>>53920467
20 copies of mindbreak trap but never play more than 4

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>>53920467
That new 2U curse card looks legit. Doubles every mill spell, and mills 1 for each card that makes it into your opponent's GY naturally (spell cast, creature dies, etc)
>At the beginning of each end step, enchanted player puts the top X cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard, where X is the total number of cards put into his or her graveyard this turn.

>>53920639
I'm actually fairly impressed by this, and it should definitely be tested.
Normally an effect like this would be pretty shit, but inbetween basic actions (bolts cast, fetches played, etc.) and the fact that mill has a lot of accumulative milling (crab, mesm orb, scribe), not to mention a timely Trap, it could provide a hefty punch off the bat.

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still waiting for the timebro from last thread to share lists, i double plomise not to steal it.

here's my list, often end up jamming Beleren because he's my home boy and Inkmoth is for dirty roboscub

Would throwing together a BR Delver be a good budget start towards Grixis? I want to play with Bone Picker too much.

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>>53920639
Did everyone just forget this card exists? You don't even need to run a mill shell at all. This + Traumatize is a win every time. Just run it in a control shell. Two card combos are good.

>>53921003
>BR Delver
How do you play Delver without Blue?

Also DSG is just better than Delver now.

>>53921071
If they have an odd number of cards in their deck the combo will leave them with one card left, and one more turn to kill you.

If nothing hit their yard in addition, sure

>>53921180
Er, UB, I meant. I blame the heat wave. And I know ds is better, but I'm on a budget and will have to upgrade piecemeal

>>53917464
Hating Skred Red? Why?

>>53921250
I think for a budget deck it might be better to just run straight UB Control, or build UR Delver. Delver really wants to be in the same deck as bolt, and discard is always negative tempo, even if it is efficient.

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>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-ojutai-control-36973#paper
This deck really got me wanting to make a heavier dragon theme UWx deck. Can an esper dragons list actually exist? Scorn seems so good, but hand hate + snap in DS being so prevalent right now seems too disruptive for it at the moment... Any thoughts?

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I need your opinion, should i china men karn our keep playing my eldratron without him and chalice?

>>53916145
I haven't played for about 2 years, since zendikar came out I think
Is coco elves still good? Is living end a deck? I really don't want to buy another deck, but I'm fine with adding stuff to my decks.

>>53921865
you should click the first link in the op

>>53921874
I want opinions from people on the general strength of the decks overall. I can do that, but what context do I get?

>>53921900
Short, tired answer, yes. Coco is good

>>53921865
Living end is still a deck, and just got an upgrade from new cycling creatures in the most recent set. They're pretty cheap because they're common cycling creatures too. The deck is probably the best it's ever been meta wise, on the upper end of tier 2.

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>>53921900

>>53921827
>china men Karn

If you don't mind getting disqualified at events

>>53921952
I took a deck with half it's cards as proxies to GP Vegas. They never got checked and no one ever called me out on them.

They have to be extra shitty to be caught. Not even the vendors could say for sure if they were proxies.

>>53921296
Blood Moon mostly

>want to pick up the rest of dredge
> $400 for the rest
Jesus christ

>>53919125
I hope you'll paint them blue/red at least

>>53919125
>>53919275
>>53919322
>>53919357
>>53919373
>>53919412
>>53919461
>>53919565
>>53919566
>>53919603
>>53919624
>>53919660
>>53919707
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEBODY SCREENCAP THIS. MY BUTTON IS BROKEN

>burn with 1 mb deflecting palm and thunderous wrath
>shadow decks because they rape my hand

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I'm a bit confused about these
I'm thinking you only get 2 mana with Gift and Verdant, but 3 mana for overgrowth? Can anyone clarify?

>>53916145
Not too keen on spending so much money on scalding tarns, would substituting them with wooded foothills be a mistake or is it passable?..

>>53927681
Yes it's 2 with gift and verdant, and 3 with overgrowth. Read the cards, it's pretty straight forward.

>>53928088
Depends on the deck. If you're mostly red, then sure. If you have blue then it's gonna be worse, but playable.

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>>53927681
yes, that's how they work. the first will let your land produce two mana, and overgrowth allows for a total of 3 mana. specifically, the first gives the land a brand new activated ability that lets it tap for two mana, the others trigger when you tap it for mana and produce additional mana.

You could put gift of paradise on a land that doesn't normally produce mana (like pic related) and it would be able to tap to produce mana, but the other enchantments would basically do nothing because the land doesn't have a natural mana ability.

>>53928126
Mostly red/black so I guess it's fine? Blue just for snapcaster/tasigur activations. and serum visions.

>>53927681
As someone who still plays with Utopia Sprawl, this is correct. Overgrowth's ability does not replace the enchanted land's ability: for example tapping a Mountain enchanted with Overgrowth gives you RGG.

Gift of Paradise adds an alternative ability that taps for two mana, and Verdant Haven is similar to Overgrowth and Utopia Sprawl in that it triggers when you tap for mana, meaning you end up producing two mana.

If you want an ability like this in modern Sprawl is your best bet. You should be playing things early for 3-4 mana, not waiting around until you have 3 mana to start ramping.

>>53928160
Might as well just get Deltas and Mires
If you still need more fetches get a Foothill or two

>>53916203
>plays meme deck
>hates burn
The scrubbiest

>playing
Boros prison
>hating
E&T

Been shitting on all storm, burn, tron, coco, affinity, grixis/jund shadow, but I got paired against 2 E&T back to back to end the night at a local tourney 2-2.

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How do we make Dredgevine work

>>53916145
is thopersword still a thing?

>>53929598
it's just a worse version of dredge, no point in trying to make it work

>>53926984
>>>/reddit/

>>53931442
It is legal to play that combo in modern. It's not currently a tiered deck, though.

>>53931581
oh, so it isnt that good?

>>53929598
Shadow of the Grave and lotleth troll, also the new curse thing that auto dredges.

>>53928562
w-why do you hate my deck?

> Playing
Skred Red
> Hating
Tron. Fuck this bullshit deck it needs to have something banned.

Really though Death's Shadow is good because it can out race Tron and it poops on the linear decks that beat Tron. DS is, I think, a very fair deck, but any mid range decks that would prey on it (like my sweet Skred) get absolutely shit on by Tron. Doesn't matter if you can win 60%+ of DS matches if you lose 80% of Tron.

>>53931633
Probably one card away from being serious competitive deck.

>>53932552
oo
What kind of card?

>>53932660
Probably something along the lines
Pay U: Look at top 5 cards, put the colorless card in hand and rest to the bottom of the library. Or anything that's really good turn 1 play to setup your gameplan.

>>53932861
This is a joke right?

>>53932973
Tell me what part about is the joke. I think I missed it.

>>53932861
Not sure if serious but you could always run bant or abzan thopter swords right?

Just splash green for ancient stirrings.

>>53931883
got one of my blood moons flickerwisped away permanently without noticing, sad times

he gave it back the next week

>>53933017
I'm not an advocate of the deck, but what I've seen is that it tries to do a lot of things and kind of does them all, controls by discard, locking with bridge or needle or by being reactive with fatal push and such, then sure it does go into combo with sword. But it feels like it's too honest with all of it's aspects and never really excells in any of them. Whir of invention is kinda a card I'm talking about, but then again that as well is little too honest to make anything the deck does really good enough.

>>53932861
Or he could try to run it in UB controll shell with Gifts Ungiven and Noxious Revival.

>>53932861
benefaction of ronas sort of does somthing like that.

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>>53932995

>>53934715

Really should have been blue, but hey, blue cant be good anymore.

>playing
U/W Control
>hating
Hand disruption
Fuck you, jund.

>Playing
UW D&T
Ponza

>Hating
T1 Thoughtseize. Like nigger just stop

>playing
Ponza

>Hating
Nothing really. There aren't too many unwinnable feeling matchups with the deck. I'm 19-6 with Ponza over the past month at my LGS. Hoping to take it to a larger event sometime this summer.

>>53934715
>people are still bitching about a card printed 7 years ago

>>53935742
Mah T2 Blood Moon slamming nigga. What's your sideboard like? At the moment mine is:
>1 Nourish
>1 Ancient Grudge
>1 Boil
>2 Guttural Response
>2 Obstinate Baloth
>1 Dismember
>3 Acidic Slime
>1 Sudden Shock
>1 Relic of Progenitus
>1 Lightning Bolt
>1 Anger of the Gods

I swear to god, Acidic Slime is the Snapcaster of green. It's won me so many games it's unreal. Guttural Response has likewise more than earned its place. Baloth is the only meh inclusion. Anything interesting in your mainboard? I'm gonna get hold of a Wurmcoil soon in place of an Inferno Titan half because of the variety to grab off Primal Command.

>>53935653
Do you ever consider running meddling mage in UW DnT?

>>53935948
It's in the board already. So is Runed Halo, because it turns out that when most of your creatures fly, invalidating their shit on the ground is basically a win.

>>53935653
>UW D&T
got a link to a list?

>>53936070
No but if you want I can type it. Currently jerking off though so it might be a while ;^)

>>53936095
can you also hotglue a smuggler's copter for me?

>>53935900
The only kind of interesting card in my main is Batterskull, but I like it a lot. I have a lot of lifegain main.. 3 finks, 2 baloth, 2 command, 2 thragtusk, and BSkull. My sideboard is a lot different from yours:
3 Anger of the Gods
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Thrun
3 Trinisphere
3 Relic of Progenitus
1 Tormod's Crypt
3 Ancient Grudge

I'm just running haymakers out the ass for the decks I struggle against game 1. I've been meaning to try Acidic Slime

>>53935900
>>53936209
Oh also I play a grand total of ZERO planeswalkers main. All beef.

Does anyone have that picture of a sign where a standard side event was cancelled because they couldn't get enough players? I seriously can't find it on google

>>53936138
>Creatures
2 Phantasmal Bear
4 Mausoleum Wanderer
4 Judge's Familiar
3 Leonin Arbiter
3 Selfless Spirit
2 Rattlechains
3 Thalia, Gardener of Thraben
4 Spell Queller
2 Lyev Skyknight
1 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2 Geist of Saint Traft
>Spells
4 Path to Exile
4 Smuggler's Copter
>Land
4 Adarkar Wastes
4 Hallowed Fountain
4 Seachrome Coast
4 Ghost Quarter
2 Moorland Haunt
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Faerie Conclave
2 Plains
1 Island
>Board
4 Runed Halo
2 Meddling Mage
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Aven Mindcensor
2 Mirran Crusader
2 Reflector Mage
2 Phyrexian Revoker
>Tokens
1 4/4 flying Angel (AVR)
2 1/1 flying Spirit (SOI)

Feel free to ask any questions. The deck has a respectable matchup against the overall Modern metagame from my testing.

>>53936582
Should've been 1 Plains, sorry.

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>>53917239
Upgrade to superior BG Infect friend. Let Crusader rip their shitty 16/2's to shreds

>>53937515
>tfw get disqualified from GP Vegas because my deck name was "offensive"
They really want infect dead huh?

I'm thinking of building a UW Tron deck that relies on Secure the wastes and martial coup as the main win conditions. Is this workable or should I not even bother?

>>53937649
What was your deckname?

>>53937753
T H U G Z N B U G Z

>>53937859
>using a name famous for the shitshow it previously caused during a live event

You're either lying or you think you're the edgiest 14 year old, either way you're a retard

>>53937859
>>53938029
Not him, but can you explain the context here?

>>53938095
>guy names a deck thugz and bugs or something like that
>apparently some radio says thugs to mean blacks
>"wizidz pls halp"
>name gets changed to help the offended masses sleep at night

>>53938095
I'm going to be a little biased in opposition to the name ban.

Apparently, "thug" is used as a dogwhistle word by Fox News and other racist people as a pejorative term to describe African American youths or urbanites. WotC wants to avoid controversy, especially controversy involving racism, so they ask the guy to change the name, who complies without complaint.
Many people were upset, claiming that thug is neither an inherently racist word, nor is it exclusively used to describe black people and other possible non-whites. On top of that, the name "Thugs n Bugs" bears resemblance to "Bugs and Thugs", a Looney Tunes short featuring Mugsy, and may be a nod to the cartoon. The only possible unintentional implication of "Thugs n Bugs" is that one of the non-insect humanoid Infect creatures is a Black Zombie Knight.


If you want my point of view, I am against the name being taboo, hypothesizing that if thug is considered a racist word it will be used as a racist word. On the other hand, if thug isn't recognized as being used disproportionately against black gang members, or even mere jerks who are black, I do worry that thug will instead become "nigger"-lite.

>>53938443
Fun story: my first day of work at a new school in the inner city and out of nowhere a giant black lady goes on a rant during a meeting about how we should avoid using thug because it's a pejorative term. My white ass growing up around nothing but corn can't comprehend this. We call white trash "corn thugs" so it was definitely strange to me.

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*takes game hostage*
don't..........make....me...do....this......
*exiles myself forever*
heh..........

>>53938550
If I knew what that card said would your shitposting make sense?

>>53938703
>When Hostage Taker enters the battlefield, exile target artifact or creature until Hostage Taker leaves the battlefield. You may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any type to cast that spell.

He exiles and brings himself back forever. Without an answer, the game is forced into a draw.

>>53938748
yeah but if I have no way to answer a creature by turn 4 in modern my deck probably loses turn 4 anyway, so a draw is really to my advantage.

>>53938834
By answer, I mean stopping it from touching the battlefield.

>>53938748
I...

That's dumb. It works, but it's dumb.
Also what >>53938834 said.

>>53938850
You can just kill it in response to the EtB trigger

>>53938748
>Without an answer, the game is forced into a draw.
Only if all the abilities in the loop must occur. His cast ability says may, so you wouldn't be allowed to repeat it ad infinitum. At some point you'd have to stop so the game could continue, otherwise your opponent could call the judge for slow play like they do with 4 Horsemen.

>>53938095
Dredge deck in a gp pr protour or something named Bugs n Thugs after the card Golgari Thug. Was changed because wotc didn't want something that could be construed as racist showing up on their streams.

>>53939304
>His cast ability says may, so you wouldn't be allowed to repeat it ad infinitum.
The cast part doesn't matter.
>exile target artifact or creature until Hostage Taker leaves the battlefield
If Hostage Taker is the only legal target, then the game ends in a draw.

>>53939523
But only if you have infinite mana, right? Don't we also need an infinite mana combo, so we can keep casting and exiling him?

>>53939638
you don't cast him. He comes back in when he leaves the field. Read the card.

>>53939638
You're not casting him, ignore that part of the ability. His exile clause exiles himself if he's the only target, then returns himself to the battlefield once he leaves. Think Worldgorger Dragon + Animate Dead

Anyway, the card's definitely going to get fixed text before it sees print. The leaker likely found the rare sheet in a garbage bin because Wizards realized they printed a broken card a little bit too late.

>>53939668
>>53939681
Oh fuck you're right.

Would this list but with some abrupt decays and IoKs be a good way to get started going to FNMs as I upgrade it?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/100-junk/

>>53939924
Yeah, most likely it wouldn't do too bad. Especially with IoK and replacing the putrefys with AD

>>53939949
Think I might have an extra gb shock laying around too. I know I have a set of birds, but not sure this deck would want them

>>53939977
One thing I thought about after responding, you're going to have a hard time fueling your delve cards. Instants and sorcerys are normally the best fodder as you can't guarantee your creatures are going to be hitting the graveyard. Path, push, and finks would be great additions to this tho

>>53940041
I'll probably have to keep them in mind as upgrades due to budget, but I'll mess around on tcgplayer and see if I can't get some Finks in there. And I can try condemns if I can't get paths just yet

>>53940091
>>53940041
Though, if delve fails me, I could put bone pickers in with my removal suite for cheap evasive beaters maybe

>>53940091
>>53940169
Personal choice here, but I'd rather play 4 duress and 4 path than 4 IoK and 4 condemn. But if you already have the IoK I wouldn't exactly run out to trade them for the paths.

Bone pickers is really conditional, its worth the try but tasigur is probaby still better in that slot. Push hits pickers, not tasigur

>>53939977
that's actually not half bad Anon.

as far as the exact numbers go, I would find a 5-0 Abzan list and try and replicate their curve but with cheaper alternatives.

there's been some cheaper Bob-lites they've printed (Asylum Visitor and Glintsleeve Siphoner) that could maybe work? And there's also that new Exert 2drop in white that saw play in an Esper midrangey list. Obviously would play a different role but Initiate is still strong

>>53940231
Fair point. And I don't already have IoKs, so I'll try and fit paths too. If it's down to the wire would you say path or abrupt decay priority wise?

>>53940244
I'll check into that as well. The only near Bob I can think of at is blood scrivener, but I'll check the others. Building as a starving student is painful

>>53940260
I would argue both IoK and path are better to have than AD just because they're your 1-mana bread and butter.

Like this anon>>53940244 said you're not too far off from a pretty playable list. Card draw would help and I'm a big fan of Glintsleeve. Definitely might be something to include.

>>53939681
>Anyway, the card's definitely going to get fixed text before it sees print.
The set is released in 3 months.

That is the final print.

>>53940344
Sweet. Thanks you two. Gonna shower and fuck around with research and tcgplayer after

Should I try this? Assuming I don't want to dump cash for Chalice, Leyline, or Celestial Colonnade, could I make a $150 deck out of this?
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-98-28-tix-nevermore-modern

>>53940413
>should I try this shitty SaffronOlive meme deck
The answer is always no.

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>playing
8 Rack
>hating
Tron is the only deck in my meta I cant really beat reliably. So kinda hating it.
>Brewing
Nothing
>Question
What sideboard cards are good against tron my current sideboard is
3x Surgical Extraction
3x Ghost Quarter
2x Grafdiggers Cage
2x Deaths Shadow
2x Pithing Needle
2x Leyline of the Void
1x Ensnaring Bridge

Every Game I usually board in all the quarters, surgicals, and needles but still get beat hand over fist most times game two just because their top decks are so much better than mine.

>Question 2
What decks can I slowly start upgrading from 8 rack too? I was looking around and abzan midrange seems the strongest I can carry over pieces from 8 rack or Classic Jund but I dont have any experience piloting these decks so I am not sure what to expect.

Also
>that feel when waiting for my first two liliies in the mail after being a poorfag for so long

>>53940464
Bro, there is plenty of tron hate it just isn't in your colors. Maybe you should splash for white or red?

>>53940464
Fulminator Mage and Smallpox can kill lands. The latter is more painful, but it costs less and even gets a card out of their hand.

>>53940413
For reference look at the garbage ass decks he played it against except u-tron

>>53940464
contaminated ground

>>53916145
>playing
4 color saheeli evolution combo
>hating
always tron
>brewing
Collected company lands with the new crucible of worlds creature from hour of devastation and azusa. I need to make the early game better, might go bant for spell queller.

>>53940518
>>53940440
Can I make a decent W/x Prison deck such as RW Prison or Sun & Moon for around $150?

>>53937727
These are my current thoughts on the core decklist.

U/W token Tron
12 Tron lands
4 flooded Strand
4 Hallowed Fountain
1 Plains
1 Island

4 Exploration Map
4 Prophetic Prism OR 4 Azorius signet

4 Serum visions
4 Remand
4 Repeal
4 Condescend

4 Secure the wastes
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Martial Coup
2 Elesh Norn

Cards in consideration
Cyclonic Rift
Batterskull
Elsepeth, Sun's champion

>>53940570
I think there is a list going around, but its well beyond $150. Ensnaring bridge and blood moons add up

Just play ponza or skred my man

>>53940584
No this is not workable. If you're biggest play is to drop a fat secure the wastes, you're doing something wrong. Play u-tron and shut up

>>53940604
But I want to play my own special snowflake deck!

>>53940566
Lemme see your company list duder

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/636838#paper

tried out todds list but with 2 Rallier and holy shit does he deserve a slot. also took out goyfs for extra voice etc, goyf is a solid card but i feel like it's often too small and further incentivized gravehate from your opponent. I could be 100% wrong though, but I'd rather play a Voice over a Goyf

Why has tooth and nail fallen off the face of the earth? It seems pretty decent against most of the bigger decks right now.

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>>53940755
Mine doesn't look anything like a real deck at this stage, I just wanted to test a whole bunch of cards at once. I probably have too many colorless sources too. The Grove of the Guardian is really good at grinding out games with Crucible, but that's only if the game goes really long.
I've played a very similar build to Todd Steven's deck before and I agree on goyf, he just isn't big enough most games to justify a spot.
I considered Vizier of the Menagerie before, how has that been working for you?

>>53940344
>>53940260
Alright. I can finagle a few paths and IoKs in there. Siphoners are cheap af. Looks like the last decision for now is: a pair of Finks or 3 Abrupt Decays?

>>53940975
Er, misread those prices. 2 Finks or a playset of ADs

>>53941037
Went with the ADs. Did shove some Viziers of Remedies, redcaps and an Anafenza in for later down the road, though

>>53916145
i stoped playing because everyone netdecks hardcore.

>hating the sheepish community

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>>53941386
Don't worry senpai there are still some good people like you and me who hate netdeckers. Have you given DesolatorMagic's youtube channel a try? He really brings to light a lot of the issues surrounding netdeckers and how they ruin the game and he's a great brewer to boot!

>>53941386
That is what happens in competitive formats.

>>53941452
https://youtu.be/sAxVRmezdjg

>>53940464
>What decks can I slowly start upgrading from 8 rack too?
By Khans fetches and Blood Crypts and play BR Midrange with maindeck Blood Moons. It's generally stronger than 8rack and the red splash will give you a lot of options to beat Tron.

>>53940566
>4 color saheeli evolution combo
Do you play on Xmage? I played somebody with that deck earlier today. I was on Martyr Proc.

>>53941965
Nope, on MTGO

>>53941631
>Let's see, encouraging bullying, lying about me, stealing my content without permissions and not using it in a way that's allowed by fair use, using my likeness and channel name without permissions and without specifying that they belong to their respective copyright holders, all right reserves, etc, and stealing my thumbnail and channel art. Delete this, delete every video about me, or I'll see to it your channel gets deleted.
This kind of autism is only possible from a packers fan.

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>>53941386
B L U E S T A F F
L
O
N
D
O
N

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>more duke reid legacy elves on cfb

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>>53941386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISbnf9qCmhI

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Budget junk scrub again with two more questions.
1. Should I try to run birbs to hit big stuff faster?
2. What would you drop for Glint-Sleeve Siphoner?

with paul cheon joining the design team, what should we expect from the upcoming sets?

also did you know he went to college at 13 and thats where he met lsv? kinda nuts

>>53942518
>Swagtusk
>Smiter
>Scooze
>Room for Voice

Oh man that is making me rock hard, I love me some little kid GW(x)

>>53943093
>Room for Voice
Oh god, I didn't even think of that. Assuming it'd replace Rat as a 1 of?

Also thoughts on the birbs/budgetbob?

>>53942901
We should expect the design team to suggest interesting things and the editors and executives to quash them.

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>>53943124
Fuck. I can run voice with pic related.

>>53940760
Dies to affinity. Dies to tron. Dies to removal/discard/counterspells all of which are jammed into dsg. That deck is fucking awful right now

>>53943167
>B to reanimate death shadow
>BB to reanimate snapcaster mage and death shadow
>B to reanimate goyf
>B to reanimate vexing devil(lol)

Death Shadow emergancy ban when

>>53943167
>more cards for black
FREE SFM ALREADY YOU FUCKS

>>53943200
The red side of it is very relevant too.

>>53943167
Holy shit it's an uncommon

>>53943216
Yeeeeeep. It's so fucking good.

>>53943216
To be fair this isn't very good in draft

>>53940760
Because it gets raped by hand hate harder than a venezuelan prison tranny.

>oh boy this hand can t4 T&N!
>T1 fetch shock thoughtseize lol nvm
>enjoy top decking more ramp for the next 3 turns

>>53943210
>Reanimate SFM
>Get Batterskull
>Give SFM haste
>Drop Batterskull

>>53943219
The idea that rarity balances draft is comical.

>>53943219
Yeah but this has "CHASE RARE" written all over it in giant neon letters

>>53943223
yeah but then you're playing mardu

>>53943225
Nah, needs more standard and casual appeal

>>53943244
good point. I suppose they'll just balance it in standard by not printing any good one-two drops

>>53938748
>He exiles and brings himself back forever. Without an answer, the game is forced into a draw.
Which is why you run impact tremors :^)

>>53943265
Or just run Champion of the Parish or Thalia's Lieutenant or something. Then with the final trigger you exile your opponent's only blocker and swing for infinite.

>>53943223
To be fair, by the time you are able to reanimate stoneforge mystic, give it haste and still have 2 mana left to put out the batterskull you could have hardcast the batterskull anyways.

>>53943519
Why the fuck would you do that? That requires your opponent to not only have only 1 blocker to even remotely work but it also means they can just go "lol deflecting palm" and win. Tremors wins right there, no need to worry about you shit getting tapped either.

>>53943678
Tremors does fuck all outside of the combo with Hostage Taker. If the rest of your deck is just human tribal, you might be able to win games without the combo.

>>53943214
and you get the red side for free to boot. in a deck running 4 thought scours these will end up in the yard, ready to give 1 mana tasigurs, anglers and shadows +2/0 and haste

>>53943821
Speaking of Tasigur. Is his activated ability ever used, or is he just a super cheap beater?

>>53943838
It's good in decks with a lot of delve because you can delve away your bad shit and make sure your opponent has to give you something good.

>>53943838
Decks that run Tasigur usually benefit from his ability if the games go long, but it's not something you'll be using every time you play him.

>>53943882
>>53943899
Fair enough. It does seem fun in delve/reanimator decks

>>53943735
>playing a 4 mana UB fiend Hunterin human tribal
You are fucking retarded desu

>>53942518
Actually, instead of birbs should I find a spot for attune with aethers for the sake of fueling glintsleeve and delve? They feel slow for ramp, but I dunno if the energy is worth it.

>>53944095
Attune is technically fixing, not ramp. I'm not really a fan of siphoner, personally I would much rather run Blood Scrivener or Asylum Visitor, but whatever floats your boat Joseph.

>>53944213
>Joseph
Broseph*
Need to get used to my phone's shotty auto correct

>>53944213
I thought about Scrivener. My only hangup was the empty hand clause. Plus I figure I can use Glintsleeve as a somewhat evasive beater in a pinch.

With solemnity likely becoming sideboard tech at the very least, will we see plaguebelcher in BWx lists as a 3 drop 5/4? I dunno if it's just the Timmy in me, but I love that zombeast too much.

>>53944670
What are you siding it in against?

>>53944679
Probably tribal for the most part. In my case I was thinking of main boarding it with Finks etc either way

>>53944716
Tribal what? In any case Phyrexian Soulgorger is far better with Solemnity than plaguebelcher

>>53944776
I dunno, it's been forever since I last played. I mostly just want a use for belcher, but humans used a lot of counters iirc. And I mean, the rare cases of infect. Also yeah, totally forgot cumulative upkeep cards existed

>>53943167
God I wizards and there constant dick riding of black. When was the last time the printed a white or blue card of that power level at uncommon? And they knew about Death's shadow at the time of this cards development. I honestly believe they're pushing death's shadow so the "pros" at channel fireball will know what to take to tournaments and dick ride to the top tables uncontested.

Are there any good programs for testing starting hands on a decklist other than proxying them? Tappedout always seems to clump its mana together

>>53946078
*I hate wizards

>>53946997
The cards go to hand.

>>53942495
His legacy deathblade vids are cool.
I want him to do some legacy Affinity tho.

Why does wizards insist on giving black more absurd cards

>>53948522
Edgelords are their new target audience and scg still has not sold as much deaths shadows as they would like to. :^)

>>53943167
First fatal push, now this. Wizards does not really care about anything but standard eh?

>>53943167
hm... tribal flame zoo anyone?

>>53943167
oh lord this + bring back snapcaster

>>53948767
Play Legacy instead. Then every color gets busted cards, except green.

>>53949137
I do, currently trying to finish d&t but rishadan ports are a bitch to get.

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Esper control yay/nay?

>>53949137
Legacy is infinitely worse then Modern

>>53949245
Hmm, I thought DnT was moving away from ports, given the rise in Delver, but I could be wrong. Good luck, man.

>>53949099
Part of me wants to get greedy like that, but I'm not sold.

>>53949099
Thing is tribal flames is a ton of work for a Sorcery speed 5 damage. May as well just play Boros Charm for instant speed 4 damage

>>53949348
Is it? I have to check that. noone around here really plays legacy because they think it is too expensive so I rarely get to play it at all, sadly. thank you

>>53949423
That suuucks. I guess I'm lucky to have a store that dedicates two mondays a month to Legacy. It even pulls in more people than standard.

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>>53948522
>not liking black
Atleast it's not blue getting absurd cards
>>53948713
>tfw hoping deaths shadow spikes so I can sell mine original zendikar one
>>53949137
Natural order, crop rotation, berserk.
There are plenty of busted legacy green cards

>>53949337
How?
There is a lot more descision making and mind gaming in legacy.
Plus the games never last nearly as long, so you never have to deal with some twat chaining lingering souls to stall the game.

>>53916145
Whats your guys's favorite double/triple color combo?

its boros/esper for me

>>53949678
Dimir/jund

>>53949678
>Double

Hard to pick probably Golgari

>Triple

Sultai

>>53949678
Boros/naya

>>53916145
>check some card prices
>collective brutality is suddenly 10€

What happened?

>>53949678
Orzhov/Esper

>>53949678
Abzan

>>53949631
Mind games are only for fedora tier bluefags

>>53949678
Boros/Naya

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>>53949252
Yay

>>53949678
Azorius/Esper

>>53950628
Mainboard Enchantment removal is great!

>>53936582
why no aether vial?

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should I play Burn or Tron

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>>53951721

>>53950866
>Mainboard Enchantment removal is great!
So is instant speed mind rot.

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>>53950628
>esper charm, snap, esper charm
>opponent discards 4
>drop a huge Secure the Wastes or Sphinx's Rev the turn after
>opponent scoops

>>53951721
Burn

>>53951950
>tfw draw esper charm 3 times in a row against burn
Can't gain life? Oh no what ever will I do?

>>53951995
Burn is the most patrician deck
Original printings for every card, all foil

does anyone still play boros burn or is naya just better

>>53951995
>Can't gain life? Oh no what ever will I do?
Point your charms at his face before he can point his burn at yours.

>>53951500
1. Lowers threat density
2. Bigger CMC spread than Legacy
3. Automatic mulligan if your opener has 2 of them
4. You're not running Wasteland and Port, just cast your fucking creatures like a normal person
5. There's no Counterspells that you need to push your creatures through in Modern

Instead of trying to play like some tricksy-dicksy deck full of cute plays and gotcha moments, I just made the deck into a disruptive aggro deck that curves out smoothly then keeps pressure on in the sky. It's very effective. That's the entire reason why there's 10 one mana dudes in there; I literally took Ponza's approach to having one mana dudes in your opener and applied it here.

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>>53938748
611.2b Some continuous effects generated by the resolution of a spell or ability have durations worded “for as long as . . . .” If the “for as long as” duration never starts, or it ends before the moment the effect would first be applied, the effect does nothing. It doesn’t start and immediately stop again, and it doesn’t last forever.

>>53952223
I play naya and I think they're both even. With boros you get to run MB helix and save life from not running so many fetches and shocks. With naya you get atarkas command which turns spears and guides into 3/3s, and destructive revelry. I guess it depends on your meta.

>>53952223
I've heard the best version is Boros with a small green splash just to run Destructive Revelry in the side. No Nacatls or A Commands.

>>53952535
Im starting to think two Atarkas Command mainboard isnt a bad choice. Sometimes you just absolutely need a Skullcrack effect. Would have to run a 2nd Stomping Ground though.

>>53952535
>>53952589
Also against the bullshit that is Collective Brutality you can pump an Eidolon/Guide and say they cant gain life

>>53952607
Instead of preventing 2 life gain, why not burn them for 3?

>>53952343
what are you usually using to crew Looter Scooter? How have you faired against Tron, Grixis DS and Burn?

>>53952762
>what are you usually using to crew Looter Scooter?
Whatever I either just played or is smaller than it. The loot trigger is so fucking good at smoothing out your plays. It's turned 3 Paths against Scapeshift into gas that won me the game. Moorland Haunt can also do the job.

>How have you faired against Tron
Haven't as of yet. I imagine traditional Tron will basically boil down to Ghost Quarters and Thalia holding my opponent back JUST long enough to curve out.
>Grixis DS
2-2 so far.
>Burn?
7-5. It's much easier to test against fast decks because you get more games in.

>>53949678
>Double
Azorius

>Triple
Jeskai

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>>53949678

>Double
Gruul/Izzet

>Triple
Grixis/Bant

I can't really pick only one

>>53952446
What kind of dog is that?

>>53949678
Dimir/Esper with Bant coming in a very close second.

>>53936582
I think this list is hilarious. Dunno if it's good but I'm down for any Blue DnT list so I'll try it out

>>53949678
>double
Simic, although I know the color combo is shit.

>triple
GRIXIS PRIDE WORLDWIDE

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hey kid,
nice fetchland...

>>53949678

Azorius for double
Abzan for triple

Can't decide which I like more, but abzan has always been more dependable.

>>53954122

>3 cmc stifle

loving every laugh

>>53954155

So is this awful or not? It seems alright. Better than Stifle, really.

>>53954182
Not really. By the time you'd cast this they have their mana base fixed already.

>>53954122
why are birds dicks in magic

>>53954122
if i wanted to fuck over someones manabase i would break out detrivore and some firey charms

>>53950206
Sees moderate play in both legamemes and memedern. Same fucking reason fatal push is $10 even though it's an uncommon from literally the second most recently released set

>>53955923
well i guess 1 black to get rid of a goyf is just that good

>>53955957
>well i guess 1 black to completely invalidate all creatures under 5 cmc that don't have shroud/hexproof is just that good

>>53957076
I feel so validated for running Blood Baron for style points

>>53957076
Are people actually butthurt about fatal push? Id say good removal is good for a format. Bolt didnt invalidate creatures.

>>53920947
list pls

>>53957436
Revolt should have triggered off nonland permanents.

Good removal increases the demand for good threats. There's already plenty of good threats in BGx. Opening up new lines of play is what new cards should seek to do. Push being a reliable goyf/DS killed, but unreliably hitting 3-drops, would have opened some new creature choices.

Or atleast wouldn't have made Push the end-all-be-all black removal that it currently is.

Abzan scrub from the other day. Found some of my surviving cards from high school and among them are Overgrown Tomb, Godless Shrine, Bloom Tender and Bloodghast. Should I be putting Bloodghast in my Abzan? Should I sell off Bloom for more ghast?

>>53954224
1. you don't cast it. this ability can't be counterspelled.
2. it isn't for punishing greedy mana, it's for stopping big-game abilities like planeswalker ults, annihilator triggers, craterhoof behemoth, etc.
3. it says 'draw a card'
4. it's a fuckin' 3/1 flier with flash for 3 in it's worst mode.

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How to break this guy? G/W "lands" company?

Assault loam memes?

>>53959416
my first thought when I saw this was to put it into the Todd Stevens GW company deck

>>53958562
not only that, but it's always castable. Holding up Squelch mana has a cost, and having the option to endstep a 3/1 flying for 3, or even just cycle it, is amazing. Ambush Viper mode is nice.

The 3drop slot is crowded, but in U/W taxes lists it could have a slot. Maybe in a Coco hatebears with Queller too

>>53959752
i'm definitely going to test it in the u/w shell as a 1-of, but it might just end up being another stratus dancer kind of 'the situation in which this card is worth a slot in the 75 will almost never happen, but when it does it's a blowout'

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I'm a relatively new player, and I was told to put Ghost Quarter in my Mono Black deck. Why? How is it good? Just for destroying dual lands? Why is it only used in Mono colored decks?

>>53950603
>he thinks only blue fags mind game
>he doesn't understand resolving threats in front of other threats to bait force of wills to get the real threat out
You are talking about a format you know nothing of m8

>>53960103
It's pretty much the only way to disrupt Tron lands, that's why I run it.

>>53960103
in a mono color deck there's no reason not to run 4 ghost quarter

being able to blow up lands in a format with no wasteland is really appreciable

death's shadow and tron both really on their low/specific land count

>>53958561
Depends on how you build your abzan.
I think abzAn decks tend to be midrange though

>>53946078
Treasure cruise in khans was a common.

>>53960103
It's removal for manlands, it also disrupts Tron and Valakut. It's definitely worth the slots in any deck that has space for it.

>>53958272
I've played my fair share of Push, and sometimes a fetchland isn't always there. It isn't as reliable as it seems, at least in my decks. Sometimes I have to sacrifice a creature or a token to kill something that needs to die

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So have we talked about how FUCKING RIDICULOUS this card is yet?

>>53960649
The card is decent but I doubt it'll see play in a top tier Modern deck anytime soon.
In draft, however...

>>53959429
it's decent only paired with leonin arbiter...

>>53961213
The idea is to Ghost Quarter their shit, yes, but it's more about hitting draining all basics, the Wastelanding their shit, rather than burst Wastelands. Arbiter shell could be sweet, but it nonbos with KotR, which is your bread and butter in the deck, and also forces you to run non-fetches (personally I'm sold on 2 Rallier so I like running fetches, which combo with all your other stuff too)

I think this new card is a 2-4 slot for sure, it's almost a pure upgrade to your regular ol crucible too so 1 is at the very least what you want.
I think 2 Azusa and split of Courser and Crucibro could be sweet. Courser and Crucible don't stack very well and this new card almost seems better than Courser, so maybe the split is wrong.

>>53960103
>blow up their Valakut/Tron land
>Surgical it

Unless you run no threats in your pile it's basically a (almost) free win

>>53959429
Same. Just replace the Crucible in his list and you're golden.

When are Wizards going to ban Chalice on 1?

>>53961357
it could honestly be no good in any competetive
(there is more creature hate in modern than artifact hate right now), and i'm still happy it's getting printed. Crucible is too goddamn expensive for what it actually does. They need to print more crucible-like effects, possibly with other effects as well

>>53963268
i'm honestly suprised every update where they don't. Banning it would result in less feel-bads which seem to be their basis for the modern ban list

>>53963399
>>53963268
getting beat by chalice is just an indication that you need to stop abusing broken 1 drops