What went so RIGHT?

>>53911361
They started listening to their customers rather than resent and ignore them.

nothing?

I assume you mean the 8th Edition?
It's another unfinished public testing game.
The game mechanics aren't realy balanced and most units are somewhat broken.
With the community playtesting the system and showing from day to day how fucking broken some things in the 8th are, we can only wait for a FAQ to fix some of this mess.
It seems, that Gdubs wants the players to buy and field certain units and ignore the rest.

Nice for beginners, but every gamer with a bit of brain left will be bored soon.

>>53911361
New management. Shame it didn't come in time to have a hope of salvaging the Horus Heresy.

>>53911430

/thread

They re-aimed their core market from young kids who spend £200 then disappear, to the mugs like >>53911430 who will gleefully pay £15 for a single monopose character model and £5 for official GW superglue, along with £40 for the rulebook, £25 for the "alliance" book and another £25 for the codex, except half the newer units are in a £20 supplement so they get that too.

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>>53911485
Or fantasy

>>53911523
AoS was the first right thing they did in recent years.

>>53911561

Let's not anon. It would be interesting to see how a fully staffed Design Studio would have handled it, rather than the gutted crew of interns and nobodies that it currently is.

>>53911561
Fantasy was ded but that doesn't make AoS any less shit.

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They improved fantasy because in 40k you know who the "that guy" player is due to his army.

In fantasy every race was common so if you wanted to play someone for the first time, you had no idea if they were dumb and stupid.

Now thanks to snorecast eternals, you can simply look at their army and be like "no thanks ill wait for the next guy"

>>53911361
>manlet manlet manlet
they successfully intimidated insecure neckbeards into burning their old marine models and buying a set of completely new ones

>>53911628
>Chaos making a circular shield wall formation

That legitimately looks amazing. If I were to look at that from a distance, the Sigmarines look far more antagonistic and villainous than the warriors.

>>53911561
literal cuck

>>53911430
this

>>53911628
I spy
>Giants
>bestigor
>minotaurs
>warriors
>stormfeinds
>doom wheel
>gor
>lightning cannon
>cygor

Versus

>a bunch of the same guy on dragoncats
>a bunch of the same guy with 2 handed hammers
>a bigger dragoncat

>>53911628

>In fantasy every race was common so if you wanted to play someone for the first time, you had no idea if they were dumb and stupid.

Yeah, now they just need to play AoS and you instantly notice they're dumb

>>53911659
I don't know if you play AoS or not, but the things in the back like the giants have a longer reach, so once the chaos warriors take the charge, the giants etc can attack over-top from behind them without taking damage from the stormcast melee.

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>>53911715
AoS is pretty fun m8.
better than marines vs marines all the time

>>53911727
I used to play Fantasy but all the way back in 6th ed and just with friends locally rather than meta. That sounds incredible. My only beef with AoS (I've come to terms with the setting somewhat) is the "samey" syndrome of the Sigmarines.

Its like 40k. There just seems to be a dryness about them and a "oh look...more sigmarines". Is the one thing I preferred in Fantasy over 40k. There was variation and no particular faction was overtly dull or dry.

But rant aside, thats awesome. The rules too seem nice and streamlined. I was thinking of getting a small contingent of night gobbos or Chaos Warriors for funzies.

>>53911561
That's why nobody plays it

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>>53911767
So just don't collect stormcast. There are many armies.
Spider Gobbos are really good right now.

>>53911361
Re-hiring matt ward and making guilliman the new emperor

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>>53911523
Fantasy is free from GW's clutches.

>>53911810
Sick minis, gritty but solid work there.

I'm more of a Night Gobbo fellow. I noticed in the picture the Chaos were mixed in with Beastmen. From what little I know, is it not the case a Warscroll must only use the units in that selected Warscroll? Or can Chaos mix it up?

I would also extend that question to the Goblins. Can I use Forest, Night and regular Gobbos together?

AOS still exists, so not a thing

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>>53911797
..I .... I play it...

>>53911767
Lucky for you stormcast eternals are not the only army in the game. Sure a lot of people play them, but I went to a couple tournaments and they are by far not the most common army played.

There are dozens of other choices of armies, and the start collecting boxes are great ways to get started.

>>53911762


Thank fuck I play neither then. Feel bad if that's how your local scene is.

Of course it's fun, there's nothing more to it than Area of Effect buffs and positioning in charges. I'd rather spend an hour playing Blood Bowl, Frostgrave or Song of Blades and Heroes with miniatures that actually appeal to me and cost a reasonable amount.

>>53911847
Then you are dumb and you should feel bad

>>53911689
Yep, this cancer is what all 40kucks have to look forward to and have inflicted upon the rest of us.

>>53911847
You have to understand, that by 'nobody' he means 'people i can relate to'. So when he sais nobody plays it, that means nobody he likes plays it. It doesn't matter that it's reaching new heights of popularity and ranking among the top 5 games in the states.

>>53911852
>Blood Bowl

Not him and its still my favourite tabletop game. But jesus I think seeing one of your best blocker fall over and die is the most gut wrenching thing during a league. RIP Balgus ;_;

>>53911837
Warscrolls are just the units stats.
You can use anything in the Grand Alliance you are a part of. (Order, Chaos, Death, Destruction)
Chaos Grand alliance lets you use ANYTHING From 'old' chaos, daemons, skaven, beastmen, etc.

Destruction is ANYTHING from orcs, goblins, and ogres. So yes you can combine any gobbos together, they will be Grand Alliance Destruction.

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>>53911561

>>53911902
Well. That changes a lot. Thanks, I picked up Grand Alliance Chaos to have a look. But I may pick up the core and battlebook with beasts too.

Which one highlighs the rule of mixing warscrolls and which one with the point values?

>>53911840
And now there are two versions of it!

>>53911893
People BUY it for sure. Some paint it too.
Then most circlejerk about ''who's the most powerful'' and shit like that. At least in my meta, but talking with other people made me realise that it is equally retarded basically everywhere

>>53911893

>it's reaching new heights of popularity and ranking among the top 5 games in the states.

That commonly mentioned list is awful methodology wise. Even then, hasn't it come a lofty 4th in like one quarter in the three or so years since release? Hardly amazing.

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>>53911902
handy reference chart

>>53911523
>>53911597
>>53911603
>>53911662
>>53911689
>>53911715
>>53911797
>>53911840
>>53911867
>>53911892
>>53911908

Wow, even after so long, the denial and butthurt is still real. Keep at it fags, I am sure your own peception of reality may one day manifest, but don't count on it.

>>53911902
>'old' chaos
>skaven
You should feel bad

>>53911926
The Generals Handbook has points, but don't buy it right now because the new one is coming out soon since they are updating the points.

You don't need any other books, just go on the site and you can select your alliance, and all the warscrolls are there for free.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Warhammer

>>53911961
Sorry by 'old' chaos I meant "warriors of chaos" or hordes of chaos
I didn't mean they were together before in WHFB

>>53912003
Thanks for the heads up on the Generals handbook. Even then I like to have hard copies.

Which of the books gives me a nice outline on the current setting? I assume the main rulebook?

>>53912036
this book is pretty good
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer:_Age_of_Sigmar

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>>53911892

>>53912062
Cool. Will buy tomorrow with the Beast book.

Thanks for your help and replies, really appreciate it.

>>53912036
The general's handbook has a setting primer. Unfortunately with AoS, while there is a lot about the setting, it is rather spread out quite a bit. There is no big core rulebook outlining everything like 40k has. There was a first core book, but it's $75 and doesn't really offer a whole lot.

Best thing is go to the /aosg/ and find the battletomes you are interested in, and read them. They give you more context with the armies you are interested in.

Also use the general's handbook from /aosg/ to get you by until they release the GHB2

>>53911959

keep your dumpster setting

>>53912109
Oh loo. More denialfaggotry.

>>53912092
You can always go daemons that way if you dislike AoS you can go play 40gay without any waste of money.

>>53912036
Basically only the "starter" 6 bucks book.
AOS fluff is literally "there are near-infinite realms. DO YOUR OWN SHIT FGGOT, EVERYTHING IS CANON.
Literally like 40k-you can make your chapters and campaigns and they are "canon" because the galaxy is an incredibly vast. They are really pushing the "your dudes" shit, which was lost somewhere along 4th ed.

Only thing you should get is the book of your faction.
Old books are "meh", while more recent ones like bonespiltterz and steam dwarves are amazing.

>>53911361
Marketing and executives began to care about the hobby, mainly because the new CEO actually cares about the hobby as opposed to Kirby's seeming disregard for it.

>>53912083

WE ARE SIGMAHS FUREH!

>>53912151
I think they actually collect models too.

>>53912146
The Grand Alliance Chaos book was pretty minimal in fluff. Though I guess thats expected as its a reboot. That's fine I'll go get the Beast one then.

>>53912135
I love Chaos Warriors, more than 40k Chaos, but being able to mix daemons and beasts with them sounds pretty sick. Was just curious.

>>53912209
GA is not a real army book.
Specific factions are. GA is simply a book for those who wanted all warcsrolls in a book.

Also go wild with your army. every model is viable and even mixed armies can fuction pretty well. Go wild with comvertions and create an army of your own. Aos is great for narratiove games and games with crazy conditions and shit.

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>>53912209
Get this box. "start collecting slaves to darkness"
Then if you decide you like Tzeentch daemons, add some and mark the warriors Tzeentch.

Or if you want some Khorne, mark them khorne later.

This box is very flexible and since ALL the above mentioned stuff has Grand Alliance Chaos, its all playable together.

>>53912332
My only beef with this is that it doesn't have the Crom the Conquerer with shield mini. I was disappointed to find out the model couldn't be used as a Chaos lord (as it seems the rules have gone way of 40k, where what you see is what you get on the figure rule).

But considering he only has one less wound and -1 to hit, is the Exalted Champion still viable over the chaos lord?

Thanks for the advice too, I'll need to check my local retail prices.

>>53912309
That works fine for me since I just want a hard copy anyway.

>this actual sales pitch right now from a GW staffer, where they tell you even if it isn't the exact box you want, you can use some of the parts in it or convert them

I know the drill.

>>53912486

maybe they should just sell sprues...

>>53911628
> every race was common in fantasy
Are you high?
It was like 80 percent different flavors of broken as fuck elves.

>>53912146
Fuck off, Age of shitmar-fanboi. Us proud representatives of the old and true Warhammer won't stand for your shitspewing

Not playing GW is the absolute best feel right now
>Primaris are fine models that will go for dirt cheap on ebay in a few weeks
>We'll see if they actually unfuck the rules and fluff in a few months
>If they do - Great, another game to play
>If they don't, the butthurt will be unimaginable and /tg/ will sink into a new and hilarious age of assmadness

>>53913240
grow the fuck up. your game is dead, 9th age is a shitheap and no one plays anymore. move on or go cry in a corner.

>>53913326
>will go for dirt cheap on ebay

I never seem to find out truly dirty cheap stuff on ebay, unless it's some "PROPAINTED" bunch of stuff that would be better suited to being melted and used to create new models from scratch. Maybe some box here and there is actually pretty cheap and new, but then I have to account for delivery fees and it ends up being barely cheaper (if not more expensive) than stuff from GW directly, as at least I don't have to pay for delivery there.

Where can I find some cheapish boxes?

>>53911514
>being this Infinity

>>53911847
Those look very pretty anon. Nice scheme!

>>53911454
can you provide examples beyond "I don't like thing!"

>>53914002
It's mostly a matter of patience. You just lurk your trading platform(s) of choice and wait for somebody to throw out stuff for one reason or the other. For example, I just went randomly on ebay, punched in Space Marines and scrolled down the first page. That already got me 20 metal raptors for 40 bucks or 20 tacticals for 28 bucks, after shipping. If you have no gripes with stripping and cutting, you can go very low. Patience and the will so sift past Ebayshops and shitheads that think 750 bucks for their 1500points army is a fair deal and good prices will come to you.
In short, prey on the lack of patience or desperation of others

>>53911454
Spotted the warmachine player

>>53914002
Ya gotta have patience and know when to look. When the 8e rules for 40k dropped and people saw the leaks, Tau shit was all over ebay.

>>53912568
>Daemons were not good
>Lizards were not good
>Empire and Dorf gunlines were not good

Cmon son, at least point out that Orcs and Khemri were basically non-existent at a tournament level (however much that is even worth to you).

>>53914938
Oh also forgot

>Vamps

>>53911850

>dozens of choices

Fuck off. You know damn well most of those are legacy armies that aren't supported

>>53915265
I'm starting to believe that most of the people supporting AoG are either extremely naive, trolls or shills. It's blatant that most of the old stuff will be discontinued at some point. It doesn't fit in the scale and magnitude of the game. Why should I buy skaven clanrats when even stormvermin look bland compared to the new models? To say that old units are worthy of being bought is to prey on new comers

>>53911361
Not sure what you mean here, mate.

Their recent miniature releases have been less bad than the previous ones, surely.

Honestly though they're still selling overpriced, overdesigned miniatures for underdeveloped or overconvoluted game systems.

I don't really see anything having gone right. They've driven away a lot of people that are being very vocal about their disappointment and drawn in others that are being very vocal about their enthusiasm, but I don't see much progress and the quality of their games is still mediocre at best.

Not to mention that AOS as a whole is a very poor excuse of a gaming system, a very shallow setting, and still riddled with some disgusting miniature lines (see naked dwarves) and ridiculous names.

Granted though, the quality of my analysis might have been hindered by my penchant for acrostics.

>>53911361

Heard there were some pretty big changes behind the scenes at GW a few years ago, and not just Kevin Roundtree taking over as CEO

They bought back shares in their own company from shareholders who only cared about short-term profit.

This meant GW could put money into customer relations as well as making more long term plans for their systems, plans that would be primarily handled by their writers and hobbyists instead of higher-ups.

>>53915613

>NTHING

>>53915822
Oh God I fucked that up.

>>53911361
Every story and every element of lore became dedicated to jacking off Chaos and fanservicing it 24/7 while fucking apart every other faction.

>>53911361

Nothing. They're at an all time low. The current rules are an early beta and the lore is heading down the toilet into the Nofun Nobledark sewer.

You can shill desperately all you like, doesn't change the facts.

>>53916160
>Nothing. They're at an all time low

Rules and fluff withstanding, how are they doing financially?

>>53916421
Better than ever.

>>53911561
You're right. It managed to kill off fantasy before the fucking hacks that wrote AoS and the new 40K material could ruin it.

>>53916441
That's all I needed to know. Thanks.

>>53912105
But what if I hate what happened to my army?

>>53911430
>killed Fantasy
No, fuck off.

We'll never see that Battle of Blackfire Pass book either

>>53919154
Fantasy was dead before the new Games Workshop. If only it had had enough sales to last just another couple of years, it would still be alive. :^)

Nothing really. Having an official Facebook page is nice I suppose.

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>>53919513
They should have just made 7th but without the removing casualties from the front thing, as well as letting you choose your spells (paying for them perhaps).
I'm sure lotr/hobbit didn't sell as much and yet that is still alive.

>>53919588
>I'm sure lotr/hobbit didn't sell as much and yet that is still alive.

They are contractually obligated to do that shit.

>>53919614
They renewed their contract. Then shifted it to Forge World.

>>53919588
Please don't post photos of that Nazi Jon "refugees must hang from trees" Jafari.
AKA Jon "Gas the kikes, even the tykes" Jafari

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>>53919666
I spent so long looking for the Tron Bonne parody, but alas it eludes me.

>>53912083
Oy, you cheeky git!

>>53911810
Surely it must hurt your heart to have something as flavourful as your pic go up against MC Pauldron from WoW mounted on a dragoncat abortion and his army of troops who look EXACTLY LIKE HIM

>>53911361
Starting with AoS, GW drastically changed their attitude to players and spent a lot more time interacting with their target market.

We've seen free rules, bundle boxes and models made-to-demand. The best thing GW did recently was pay close attention to how the playerbase managed AoS. Representatives visited events using homebrew tournament systems around the UK, talked on various forums and listened to popular podcasts to see how the players "fixed" the game. They used this to inform the production of the GHB.

Now with 8th 40k we've clearly seen a response to disgruntled factions and disenchanted players. Infamous concerns were met head-on by the social media teams and explicitly rectified in the Faction Focus articles.

>>53911561
Agreed.
Everyone outside of this putrid board thinks so too.

>>53924392
As far as I got it it really DOES well in the US. But fails pretty hard in Europe.

Our local gaming club (70k town) tried AoS but it just didn't gave us the right feel. We loved our blocks of lines pikemen after all.

So now we play KoW as our standard fantasy mass miniture battle. Since ...well since AoS was released.

That said I am super hyped for the new Warlordgames Landsknecht to give my Empire army some new horde of pointy sticks.

And other producers bring out some great plastic kits. True the tactation isn't the same. And I would like to see more coming out but still ...Rank and File Mass fantasybattles are all but dead.

All in all I would say that GW is going well but the fuck up they did cost them their near monopoly.

>>53911454
>>53911361
>>53914641


I am not that dude, but the power levels thing is flawed and the fact with point levels many units that have been shit for years are still overpriced and underpowered.

GW has made a lot of steps in the right direct this past several months and they are trending up. However, 8th still had a shit ton of fucking problems that stem from probably years of ignoring proper gameplay mechanics and balance. I don't think understand how to even start balancing a game at this point.

Again, there is some good stuff going on right now, but game is still crappy. Right a lot of old players just want to give them a hand job for releasing an okay product that isn't complete fucking dog shit. If they keep engaging the community and trying to move towards a better game (as opposed reverting to power creep, sell model of the month, shit out crap releases method) that is when they start deserving applause.

>>53911603
AOS took like 2 fucking years to get to a playable state. Nothing they did with that shit went right.

It was essentially dead on arrival. GW had to radically alter mechanics to make their turd shape peg fit into a round hole. And while they were doing so they managed to destroy a good portion of their customer base that won't ever come back. None of that is a success.

>>53924445
Honestly the rank and file game scene really grew here once AoS dropped. People were so disgusted by Sigmarines it instantly propped KoW up as "standard fantasy game".

Now the KoW tournament is the 3rd biggest national mini event after 40k and warmahordes. There is no AoS equivalent because there's simply no playerbase.

GW has more than 30 years and the twats can't do proper shipping.

Even bloody China post of "will be there when it gets there" has tracking numbers.
While GW ask extra for the privilege of having industry basic fucking standards.

Also the fuckers use UPS, the most incompetent company regarding international shipping

>>53924759
It's okay, those grognards weren't buying anything so if anything their leaving is a good thing.

>>53925622

>It's okay, those grognards weren't buying anything so if anything their leaving is a good thing.

>yaay! the only people playing my wargame of choice are the most submissive of GW drones

Actually feel kind of bad for you, trying to spin long-term consumers leaving as a good thing.

>>53925702
>consumers
They need to actually consume to be called that.

>>53925732
There must be something to consume in the first place.

Is like when people say "no one buys Sisters of Battle" well after 20 years with the same shit it is hard to get exited about buying models from 1997

That is what happen to fantasy, there was nothing really worth buying again and again.

>>53925732

They're still consumers, just not always from GW, if at all.

Problem is now GW are catering specifically to the pushovers that will buy anything they make.

>AoS has registered amongst the best selling wargames exactly one semester, when it had more releases than WHFB had in a decade, and it was still below WMH.

Aha what. Sure like >>53925774 says, everyone had enough Gors or Goblins that they didn't need to buy any more, but that would have probably been a steady earner compared to all the investment of ripping up one franchise and starting another.

>>53925848
That meme is bullshit, the last time GW did a sale report by product was during WHF 6th edition.
That cow was supporting 40% of GW alone.

One of the issue with fantasy was that as the edition went you needed bigger rank and file units, but the boxes still had the same old as balls models, but with less models and more expensive.

GW was shooting themself on the foot and blamed its wife for him bleeding.

>>53911947
Yeah, It's only gonna get smaller too because 40k is basically an identical game now too.

It's the same problem they had with fantasy, if you give people too many options they will favor the most popular and 40k will always be the more popular.

>>53911485
Horus Heresy will be better off with 7.5e. Just wait 'til the new red book is released that will replace the core rulebook.

>>53911361
Nothing.

>>53911835
And somehow cost more than the physical game!

>>53911430
Yep.
Based Rountree doesn't do EVERYTHING right I'm sure, but it sure as heml.fucking feels like it after Kirby.

>>53911847
Love you colour scheme! Can't say I like the blue standard one, yours, a much hotter scheme, is a lot more to my liking! And the execution is great too!

>>53911454
>but every gamer with a bit of brain left will be bored soon.
>40k players

>>53926786

Obligatory link to GW's share price:

>https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gaw.l&noj=1&biw=1191&bih=916&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigspjOqZfUAhVKJMAKHSV4AZwQ_AUICSgA

Take a look at the 5 year chart to get a broad picture of how dramatically things have improved since Rountree took over.

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>>53911361
AoS

>>53911847
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All these filthy AoS shills. AoS fags are scum.

>>53919154
Fantasy was already dead. The End Times was the most merciful thing they could have done.

>>53927837

Fantasy only died because they stopped supporting it until the boring big-kits of the End Times.

>>53928003
They stopped supporting it because it was dying

>>53927837
They could have just not been retarded and assumed doubling the cost of rank and file models while making the game require more of them would increase sales and player numbers.

>>53928092
All you need to fix a dead game is a time machine

>>53924289

Prett much this.

I get that they're still a big, ebul company, but this release of 8th was handled so differently, and so much more openly than any other in the last decade, that it made me willing to give things another look. Shit still expensive? Sure. is it perfect? Hell no. But it's a start. I'm glad they came out right from the gate and said, "hey, you hate getting blown off the table by riptides? Hate playing a game and getting literally walked on? Neither do we. Don't just buy the newest, biggest kit. Bring whatever you want and we'll make it work." I can at least respect the somewhat admission of guilt, and give things another go.

>>53928028
It was dying because the unholy trinity utterly ruined 7th until nobody wanted to play anymore and then they forced hordes, 3k points games and ginormous plastic kits.

>>53928003
How the fuck did they stop supporting it? in the year before the end times, there were lizardmen, dwarf, woodelves and i'm certian there was one other army release. it had a massive push before the end.

>>53929795
They kept updating and making random stuff while older stuff never got updates.

GW is doing the same shit for 40k.

>>53929896
bullshit. before the end times rolled around, every wfb army was up to date with the exception of skaven, beastmen and brettonia. all of which got their updates through the end times.

>>53911361
I guess some of their models don't look as stupid as they have done recently?

Other than that not much. I was watching 8th Ed with interest, as it seemed like it could potentially bring me back to GW, but it honestly just seems bad in different ways.

It looks just as unbalanced as 7th, just with different units skewing things, and the way they've just applied their mew take on WS without changing much else to make units that relied in it to produce a lot of their durability is extremely poor design. It also doesn't feel interacting - rolling the same thing every time your dudes fight feels as though there's no real difference between anything you're doing.

So, yeah, it's pretty poor imo.

>>53929958
>the game die before some armies got an update for decade old kits

Why are my clients not buy overpriced, old and with fewer models kits?! It clearly means no one like the game!

>>53930321
you want to try that again in english, slav?

>>53930408
Broken English is still English.

The entire point is WHF die with decade old kits never getting updated or even something to replace them.

There was nothing worth buying model wise. No wonder the thing die

>>53930489
not when it's unreadable its' not.

you mean apart from all the army books that got released the year before along with all the new model releases? stop being a retard slav. i know it goes against your core being, but do try.

>>53930527
They didn't release shit, they are still selling kits from over a decade ago for fuck sake.

Hell Bretonia got squated with no new models

>>53911361
Kirby fucked off.

>>53930575
are you just fucking stupid or purposely ignorant? they releases four seperate army books the year before the end times, all with model kits. and nobody gives a fuck about bretonia. if you're that desperate for generic knights on horses, go play a historical.

>>53927029
Well deserved. Kirby was a money hungry fag that didn't give a single shit about the games or customer base and killed WHF (stuff like Sigmarines gets planned, designed and produced far in advance, months before Rountree even became CEO, not to mention all the other AoS release crap) as a final rotten goodbye present to the fanbase. Wouldn't be surprised if he was the one setting the squatting of Tomb Kings and Bretonnia in stone as well.

Rountree and the company salvaged that AoS mess as well as they could IMO and now the rules look pretty good.

>>53932385
If he cares about the fanbase, then why hasn't Rountree reintroduced any of the squatted factions or better yet, brought back the old world as an option? They were able to do Blood Bowl after all.
>>53932385
>Rountree and the company salvaged that AoS mess as well as they could IMO and now the rules look pretty good.
The rules are mediocre at best, and that is only after they put in some half assed point values. AoS is still an inferior ruleset to other fantasy skirmish games on the market like Malifaux or Warmahordes. It's less of a headache than 8th edition WHFB I suppose.

>>53911950
ahh, sorry sweetie, but a khorne juggalord is not gay faggit shit

>>53932463
Why should he reintroduce it? to get back the half dozen neckbeards who never buy anything? fuck them. they had their 30 years. evolve or die.

I have about 3000+ points in AOS of High Elves with some Stormcast to try and be a shield wall, am I 'that guy'?

I just wanted a combined order force and figured that a few stormcast meat shields would help keep my poor frail elves from dying like bitches.

>>53932653
sounds good too me. i have a sizable wood elf army that was mostly made up of trees. now i have two armies to use with minimal new cost due to sylvaneths becoming their own thing.

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It also seems like they are dropping the artistic maps from AoS and replacing them with maps you can assemble to puzzle out how the realms look like.

Here is parts of Chamon from the Kharadron Overlords book.

>>53933590
Fuck is this for real?

>>53933792
Yes, I poorly assembled them with paint myself. I don't know if the 3 books before this one have more pieces or not.

>>53933879
They're literally preying on children

>>53933949
It's a much more interesting way of doing it rather than make a not!earth map that eventually becomes to small to further develop the setting.

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>>53933590
>>53933792

I picked up the guide to starting AoS that's about £5 with the free Stormcast model, christ it was awful.

I remember picking up White Dwarf from a friend at primary school and being absolutely captivated by the Daemonhunters that had just been released and how bizarre they were, the Daemonhosts and other Acolytes. This new book was just page after page of Sigmarines Vs Bloodbound Bloodsecrators with minimal information other than how there's several plains and "the fight begins with your new £70 intro box!". Worst thing is they rarely depict non-miniatures in the art a lot now, everything depicted has to have miniatures. Sad really.

>>53933983
Please stop hurting me

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>>53934014

No. This is what the Old World died for mate. I didn't even play Fantasy other than Mordheim and Blood Bowl, but I can't believe the Design Studio got to this point.

I feel bad for the few old stalwarts left.

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>>53934089

I'm actually dying

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>>53933983
>>53934089

Kharadron Overlords definitly improve upon these criticism significantly. It's much more about the society of the Overlords than the wars they fight and the art has some non-miniature based scenes like this one.

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>>53934142

>j-just play the game bruh, it's fun! fantasy is dead, GW told me

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Or this one.

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>>53934089
I remember looking at the old artworks with my little brother and picking up all the little things. Shit like this makes me depressed desu; it looks literally like something out of a YA fantasy book

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And also this one.

>>53930896
Four releases for:

Skaven
Bretonia
Empire
Chaos dudes
Chaos demons
Lizard men
Tomb kings
Orcs and goblins
Dwarf
Chaos dwarf
High elves
Wood elves
Dark elves
Beast men
Vampire cunts

Sure I'm missing some armies, but I'm sure as hell no one got everything updated before they axed the game. They are still selling models from before AoS. They haven't even updated the shit for their new brand game.

Fantasy die for nothing.

>>53934361
slav, for fucks sake improve your english before posting. i've seen michael j fox type more coherent sentences.

>>53934527

His English is good for a non-native speaker, don't be a wanker

>>53934589
He is assblasted about his joke of a game.
That is why he latches to anything wrong, so he can feel good.

Like kids during the console war and they got the shitty console

>>53932561
>sweetie
GAY FAGGOT SHIT

>>53916446
Wait... That's actually a good point.
I'm now happy when I should be mad

>>53916446
This. We should be glad for Fantasy, because it has been delivered from GW, and will live on in vidya and RPGs.

>>53932385
Age of Sigmar is still absolute trash beneath the attention of even snotlings but at this point trying to make the best of it is all they can do since the people they burned are not coming back.
A Fantasy revival would just cost them too much in repackaging and printing out new books.

>>53916446
>The reality of this statement.
>Watching the Horus Heresy one of the most interesting things in 40k fluff become Daddy Issues: The Story involving multiple fanfic characters instead of the actual pivotal characters doing stuff (looking at you Erebus).
Holy shit you're right.

>>53935477
40k 4th edition was the last decent fluff we got.

>>53935180
Keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it'll let you sleep better at night

>>53936242
But it is a terrible game with a fanbase composed of people too whipped by GW to complain if they decided to squat the whole thing.

>>53920402

This isn't something that is unique to AoS so I don't really see your point.

>>53934159
>>53934185

Don't bother mate, they're too engrossed in their hateboner.

>>53936610
And rightly so.
If I wanted 40k, I'd play 40k.

benis

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>>53934210
>>53934185
>>53934159
To be honest I could go behind it.
The artwork is good and captivating.

But I still miss my Old World. Don't get me wrong the 8th edition was horrible and with "you need shitton of woundmarkers for an huge amount of shekel" it simply had to fail. No new players because the cost to start was way to high.

Still they haven't had to axe the world on a whole. They could put WHFB on "pause" and just release new novels and such.

I really would have seen their take on the kingdoms of Ind, the fast armies of Cathay, the Kurgan Rider Hordes, Beastmen of the Southlands, Araby, and so on and so on ...there was still a lot of to explore in this world and potential armies to be released.

Shit I would have bought a whole new army of Kislev if they brought out new plastic kits.

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>MFW all these Butthurt NeverGW gamers who just love to hate GW
>MFW the fact that every other non-GW company is scrambling over maybe %25 of the market while GW has the rest for its self
>MFW the fact that AoS probably outsells Warmahordes and the entire Mantic catalog on a daily basis...combined
>MFW Im a die hard Infinity player who just got Guild Ball and who is grown up enough to know I can play more than one Game

>>53934186
Years of seeing this picture everywhere and that's the first time I ever noticed the dwarf head strapped to the cannon. huh.

>>53934186
Fuck me that's a great piece of art. I'm not on the hate train but I do miss the old box art.

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>>53942056
It's probably just Warmahordes players lashing out in the death throes that is mk. 3
This is what happens when you're main selling point is "we're better than this guy"

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>>53941181
What's stopping you from playing AoS in the Old World?

>>53942811

Why bother with AoS when there's better alternatives? The only reason you'd want to involve yourself with that vomitous system is if you either enjoy the new models so much you don't mind that the game is a bit naff, or are recuperating from a serious brain injury.

>>53942847
I don't really know anything about AoS my boy

>>53942811
Because my army will never get miniatures in the style I like and will probably be squatted soon?

>>53943187
They're done squatting armies

>>53913398
Nope, gonna continue to play the older better games, no matter what you 'must by the latest thing cuz GW tells me to' retards.

>>53943206
I guess you have inside trading information then

Are pre-painted models a genuinely unpopular idea or just one that Games Workshop doesn't like? I'd probably be way into Warhammer if I wasn't too retarded to paint.

>>53911947

It's impressive because it shows that AoS and selling and that it managed to get back in the top five after Fantasy had fallen off.

The only real critique is questioning the methodology that is used, but I don't see anyone offering any alternative means of which games are popular across the entire US and not just someone's local store.

>>53928092

Which is something the playerbase wanted. I remember people talking about what they wanted AoS to be and at no point do I recall anyone saying they wished they didn't have to field tons of models. I'm guessing this is because anyone who had such an opinion got out when 8th was released.

It was this push from fans for the ability to use the stupidly large armies they had bought for who knows what reason that killed the game, not bullshit excuses like giant plastic kits. In theory the giant plastic kits seem like a good thing because they were anything but cheap and meant that you could field one instead of who knows how many models.

>>53930039

How is needing to roll a 4 instead of a 3 sometimes interaction? The BS and WS of 40k pre-8E was simulationist garbage that should have either been turned into its current form or changed to a different system long ago. I don't know how anyone can defend the limited system of 40k and Fantasy in the face of games like Warmahordes or Infinity which handled it much better because they weren't tied down to sticking with the numbers 1-10 and a reliance on charts.

>>53911950
Order has airships. Your argument is invalid

>>53943418
Genuinely unpopular. Either your paintscheme has to be simple as fuck or you have to have a super expensive machine to get something of any real quality. Xwing manages to get away with it cause of the former

>>53943418
Lazy git, painting is the fun part

>>53943472

>It's impressive because it shows that AoS and selling and that it managed to get back in the top five after Fantasy had fallen off.

Not really, Fantasy was consistently top 5 even with barely a bone thrown at it, whilst AoS dipped in once and not again. You don't replace a franchise with a new one that does worse or just as well as before, there's no point in the investment.

Looking at the (lack of) tournament scene and such, AoS seems to be more popular in the US than Europe too, which is somewhat worrying.

>>53943598
>AoS seems to be more popular in the US than Europe too
Muricans are dumber

>>53943649

Let's not be mean now. I think it's because they're more spread out, you might only have a GW or generic LGS within 200 miles of you, so you're only going to play the "mainstream" games like 40k or Magic, because you aren't going to drive three hours to not get a game of Dropship Commander.

I live in a regional city of 250,000 or so in the UK, and within the town centre there's a GW, a big CCG/RPG shop that also sells miniatures, a three-floor LGS, and the main wargaming club with a permanent room in a community centre, with about 20 tables, a shop and space for all sorts. We're spoilt for choice in comparison.

>>53943705
UK is a pretty extreme case too though, I doubt you'll find any country in the world where tabletop games (particularly GW ones) are nearly that widespread.

It's much harder to find stores and games in Germany and AFAIR we are the 2nd biggest market for TT games in Europe.

>>53916502
>shit product
>makes money
>sucessuful product
Gods, I can't wait for this idiotistic era to cease and being forgoten.

>>53943649
Americans are less interest in historically based according to studies. A lot of Old Worlds appeal was in that.

>>53944417
Personally I think Americans want to play "brand x" like "brand y" hence why AoS is popular, they wanted to play warmachine but they didn't want to play it under PP.

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Well fantasy is totally fucked, all the aos models are really not very good and the new theme is more or less unbearable, but a good...half or so of the new 40k stuff is solid and the rules changes seem reasonable, the story progression isn't really all that bad and the theme is still correct and overall they seem like they're trying to right the ship. Specialist games reboot is good too. Thing is they have so much garbage momentum with aos I don't see them getting anywhere good with that, but 40k is looking bright.

They stopped acting like what Privateer Press started acted like when they started acting like Games Workshop.

>>53945707
Give AoS time to develop. You need to remember that Fantasy has literally 30 years of backstory and we still don't know much of AoS yet. Think of it like the War in Heaven from 40k, a huge event that little is known about, but AoS actually IS the war in heaven kind of event

>>53945942
Maybe if they kept it as a spinoff like they told some store owners everything would be fine.

Is not like spinoff are bad, just look at Necromunda, Mordheim, Blood bawl, BFG, Inquisitor (that one was stupid model wise, needing to constantly change stuff on huge mono pose models is bad idea) epic, space hulk, gorkamorka, shadow war, etc etc

Do a spinoff see if it makes it.

>>53945707
Fantasy players just buy from spanish drunkards, slavs or other alternatives. The good WHFB is very much alive.

I'll stay with 8th. Took the plunge.

>>53946295
I've seen more people playing fantasy than AoS.
Hell more people play the AoS mini game "silver tower than AoS"

AoS clusterfuck revived old fantasy related games and even old 40k games. At here in the third world.

>>53944243
There's a difference between good and successful, Anon, though you are neither.

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>>53945942
>chop down a mature fruit tree
>replace with sapling of a different sort of apple
>tell people who complain about not having apples they just need to wait and chopping the tree down was a good idea

>>53947404
>Uses this analogy when the "mature fruit tree" hasn't produced fruit in years and was literally just dying

>>53947430
>start fertilizing the tree with crushed soda cans and toilet paper rolls
>tree starts being less productive than in previous years
>Decide the best course of action is to just fell the tree rather than try to fix your handling of it

Fantasy was only struggling because the last 2 editions seriously mishandled the game, hugely increasing the barrier to entry and making the game generally less pleasant, not because the IP was dried up.The two flagship IPs that gw had were GW's greatest assets, not any of their rules or miniature lines, and they completely failed to realize that. It's retarded. They probably make more money whoring out fantasy's corpse to video game devs then they do with many of their new AoS miniature lines.
Any comparative success AoS is having is going to be due to the rule changes making the game far easier to pick up, not the replacement of the setting,it's absolutely a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

>>53911628
The only thing I really dislike about age of sigmar is what they did to the lore and Sigmarines. Otherwise the game is just plain fun. I am happy to see that the old lore isn't totally dead, lives on in total war and they're when making another WHFB tabletop game, so I'm fairly pleased.

>>53947965
That's the thing, the rules aren't terrible, but all the new miniatures and art and lore is shit tier

>>53948065
Disagree senpai, Sky Dorfs are great, as are all the new Chaos Warriors.

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>>53948090
You're objectively retarded if you think pic related isn't

I will concede that most of the tzeentch stuff is nice and about half the khorne stuff is, but archaon #3 makes me genuinely angry at how much worse is is than #2, it represents everything wrong with the new design philosophy.
The new orc shaman is also good though.

>>53948090
Sky dwarfs look like warmachine sculpts DESU

That's a bad thing

>>53948261
They look worse desu... At least warmachine dwarves look like midgets instead of mantic games' squat proxies.

>>53948332
I don't mind mantic games troglodyte dwarfs. They at least they look like dwarfs. Not steam punk 40k dwarfs.

>>53943510
X wing also have the advantage of well known pre existing paint schemes. Nobody will complain about a X-wing with its Yavin IV colours.

>>53911810
Are those... Chess piece inspired Flesh Eater Courts? That is bloody brilliant.

>>53911430
fpbp

>>53911454
t. bitter warmahordes faggot crying over his dead game

I dislike what they did to my poor lizards.
I kinda like the tigrex model they made, might get one of those.

>>53947965
What exactly do you dislike about the lore and the Sigmarines?

>>53911361
>What went so RIGHT?
GW committed suicide.

>>53955555

Trying to find the get, sage to be unobtrusive

>>53934159
That's dope as fuck. Awesome.

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>>53947965
>and they're when making another WHFB tabletop game
You trying to trick me?

>>53948332
Their new squats look good though.

>>53934185
jesus, is this official art? Has fantasy really become this?

>>53933983

>Worst thing is they rarely depict non-miniatures in the art a lot now, everything depicted has to have miniatures. Sad really.

Its exactly the same in the Dark Imperium book. All units even the fucking (ever-changing-existing) demons are named over and over. Really annoying. I think this is something to streamlining their Ip or how do you call that crap.

>>53956536
I dare you to tell me what exactly is wrong with it.

>>53957282
It's sci-fi.

>>53957282
What isn't wrong about shoving zany steampunk shit into what was once Warhammer Fantasy?

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It's truly great. When Trump makes a trade deal with the UK and slaps tariffs on Chinese imports, GW's profits will shoot up even farther while PP's will drop like a rock. I can't wait for that shitty company to go under like Rackham did.

>>53957814
Even with Trampgh's taxes it's still cheaper to buy chinacast.
Renting a po box overseas and hiring someone to check on your deliveries and send them to you via mail is still only about 3/4's the price.

>>53911361
Nothing?

>>53944243
I can't argue that the management of the WHF franchise was done abysmally. But the fact of the matter is, if AoS is making money now where WHF was not, its at the very least, a successful product.

Numbers don't lie and as much as I loved the Fantasy setting and kept up with the fluff, I didn't buy anything in years due to the insane cost and OTT rule set and the blatant OP races.

For casual gamers, AoS hits that niche where Fantasy probably could not without serious re-evaluation.

>>53956766
If you don't realise the DI book was made for marketibg purposes and to introduce 8th ed only, I don't know what to tell you anon. Haley himself qaid he wrotr this onr closely with the Marketing head helping him.
It's a decent read, but it's purpose is not to be a book by itself. It's the introduction to the new galaxy of 8th edition, so of course it would be a bit obnoxious amon names, blatantly presenting the new stuff and all.

>>53925595
>Even bloody China post of "will be there when it gets there" has tracking numbers.
>While GW ask extra for the privilege of having industry basic fucking standard

> Not getting it shipped to your FLGS

>>53962271
40k is the casual game now, AoS is the braindead demo they show to kids at stores to sell 40k to them.
I'm not exaggerating either.

>>53963915
>special order something
>gw tacks it on to the 8th preorders
>while this happens it also goes out of stock
>have to wait for it to re-stock before they ship it
>it's been a month at this point
I can't tell if this is malice or incompetence on their part.

>>53963978
>40k is the casual game now
>now
It always was.

>>53963978
>muh casual game shit
Why is this still a meme? it isn't like pretty much every super complex rule set, something that historicals have a lot, are pretty much played by few people.

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>>53926400
>he thinks HH wont go to 8th

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Nothing.

>>53964951
They didn't outright sued bhim. So yeah ...improvment!

But yeah. GW should have done it like
Battlefront and make the builder official/paid by costumers

>>53965025
Or official and free like Corvus belli, but the FoW list builder is only like 1 dollar a list which isn't bad, especially since you won't be buying all of them.

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>>53911361
Nothing went "right". GW just realized its more efficent to pay few nerds to astroturf in /tg/ ans say HOW BASED AND F*KKING KOOL WARHAM40 000 8TH ED (TM) (C) is than make actually good rules or models.

its so obvious it hurts

>>53911361
nothing

>>53956140
If by tabletop game he means a new tabletop RPG, then no. Crucible7 just announced an Age of Sigmar and Warhammer Fantasy Battles RPG

2 years

People are still assblasted about age of sigmar TWO YEARS later

The butthurt is truly eternal

>>53968006
I played Fantasy for 14 years ...yeah I am still assblasted

>>53964951
good, that fag had a hateboner for the elysians and never wanted to add them

>>53968006
The setting is that bad

>>53968006
It could be eons immeasurable after the end of all things and from the stillness that once was the particles that were the dust of my carcass you could mine enough hatred to make entire stars and enough salt to put the milky way's mass to shame.

>>53919666
Found the racist.
Leave that iranian alone and go back to pol

>>53970145
Found the bitch niggagrant.
This is 4chan. goback2reeddit if you want politically correct faggotry.

>>53968067
get a different hobby.

>>53970293
I'll say the same to you once GW squats AoS.

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>>53919666
nice try satan

>>53970657
ain't happening chucklefuck, as i sit here building my kurnoth hunters and tree revenants. how's them extinct square bases treating you?

>>53965157
>pay few nerds

Let's not kid ourselves, we all know the battered wives do it for free.

basically throwing away your game, (the game that people play, and like) and making a new game in its place is a stupid thing to do, and I hope GW suffers

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>>53948065

Eh, the new art isn't THAT bad. I mean, the newer stuff at least. The cartoony stuff at the start was ASS

>>53970849
Pretty good actually, plastic landsknechts put soon.
Enjoy your fixed rolls before time runs out.

>>53968006
it hurts to rip off those square bases, throwaway movment trays, and play moving every single model individually

>>53914548
topkek

>>53974544
That art piece is so much better than the garbage at the start, it almost makes me want to check out the setting.

>>53974710
Anon square bases are completely fine according to the rules.
That AoS players are too autistic to follow their own rulebook and pissy about it is another matter entirely.

>>53968006
People get eternally assblasted when settings they get emotionally invested in get nuked.
News at 11.

>Hurr hurr, >getting emotionally invested in fiction
Congrats on being the 1% that don't actually care about their favorite things.

>>53924445
dude AoS is selling like mad, it catapulted fantasy minis from selling nothing at all to selling more than almost every other miniature game save 40k

>>53975665
if they were so emotionally invested in WHFB why did it sell less than paint (where as now AoS is selling almost as much as 40k is)

>>53911689
>mixing armies is wrong but playing a thematic one is also wrong

>>53919154
You aspies just had to actually support the game instead of playing in your fucking basement with recasts and shitty ass perry miniatures conversions. Maybe if you actually supported a game that sold less than paints, it would still be around.

>>53911361
Fucking nothing

>>53978523
nice try redshirt

its fucking dead

>>53911361
Absolutely zilch.

GW fans are the bottom of the barrel.

>>53979601
Maybe if GW made a less shit version than 8th I would have.
>you need 40 guys a unit
>so here's a box of 10 for $30