MtG Hours of Devastation 20/06 Spoilers

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Frayed Sanity
Enchantment - Curse

Enchant player
At the beginning of each end step, enchanted player puts the top X cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard, where X is the total number of cards drawn this turn.

>>53909853
>relic of progenitus is now too strong for standard.

Why does wotc hate fun?

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Land of Scavengers
Land - Desert

T: Add C to your mana pool.
2, T, Sacrifice a Desert: Exile all cards from all graveyards.

>>53909886
Because they want you playing draft.

>>53909847
That's not bad. He'll be decent in draft at least.

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Ramunap Hydra
Creature - Hydra

Vigilance, Reach, Trample
Ramunap Hydra gets +1/+1 as long as you control a desert.
Ramunap Hydra gets +1/+1 as long as you have a desert card in your graveyard.

>>53909908
If they wanted me playing draft, the should get rid of mythics that completely invalidate the draft when they're in a pack.

>>53909886
do we really need decks to have relic as an 8 of?
this card is fine

>>53909915
so that is why he was worthy...

>>53909933
4 for a 3/3 with Vigilance, Reach, Trample.

Isn't that pretty good all by itself? Let alone possible making it a 5/5?

>>53909915
I'd love this card in EDH if it cost 3 less and had 3 less power/toughness.

>>53909936
Haha, Yeah. Yeah they should.

>>53909953
Fuck Phyrexia.crd

>>53909933
possible 4/4
possible 5/5
wow... -1-1 desert anyone?

>>53909968
>Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell you may copy that spell. You may chose new targets for the copy.

>>53909953
I might pick this up just to fuck with a few decks in my edh group. Fuck you, Ghave and Mizzix.

>>53909915
God damn that art is cool.

>>53909847
>locust god
>not black
>not even black/green
what the FUCK is wrong with wizards?

How do I play black reanimator/zombie tribal, if there is stuff like ground seal/ rest in peace/leyline of the void/grafdigger's cage etc and black can deal with none of that? It also supposedly doesn't hamper other decks, so they aren't likely to remove it

>>53909953
I hope this is out of standard by the time we get to Dominara, in case we get more thallids.

>>53909853

Yay, going in my colorless EDZ deck for them sweet exile->graveyard boosts.
:)

>>53910070
All of the gods in this set are Bolas colors, so no green. And black goes to the scarab god because there's the whole thing about scarabs and curses.

>>53909936
>Remove constructed playable cards.
>Either Constructed suffers, or Draft does.
Almost sounds like Draft was an idea that sounds good on paper, but isn't actually that great in practice and a nightmare to handle.

In my profession we don't continue supporting things like that.

>>53909953
You now realize this works with cumulative upkeep costs.

>>53910081
Knowing artifacts and enchantments are your deck's greatest enemy, splash green or white for removal of those.

>>53910081
You have a backup plan. Reanimator is strong when it works, but it's one of the easiest to disrupt strats. You're in black, so have some big bodies and kill spells to disrupt your opponent's plan. Alternatively, play in Golgari colors so that you can get primo artifact/enchantment hate and even more reanimator support.

>>53909953
>Planeswalkers and instants can still have counter
Too bad wizard have such a boner for their OC donutsteel

>>53909847
>people thought it would be an Eldrazi

Y'all some dumb cunts.

>>53910170
I am only aware of one spell that can have counters on the stack.

Are there more?

>>53910184
Fucking how?

>>53909953
>players can't get counters
>this was the anti-energy card

As ever too little, too late. That said, Mardu just got outs to marvel-less marvel.

>>53909953
' This combos with Phyrexian Unlife to make it where you can never die from damage.

>>53910184

Haha, did you see my comment on other site? Yeah...I shit post lots of places.

>>53909886
What are you talking about? The 1T ability actually can hit something of value now. I'd pay 2 for that.

I mean no I wouldn't but still.

>>53909847
Not having this be BG is a mistake. Just why?

>>53910170
This card would literally make planeswalkers unplayable if it affected them

>>53910230
Because the three gods are UB, BR and UR because Bolas is UBR.

Duh.

>>53909953
What if the Dominaria set is new phyrexia invading Dominaria?

This card could be indicative of their worry that infect or new version of infect might be too strong

>>53909853
>>53909893

RIP delirium lol

>>53910202
Reddit narrative science. I guess that is the target audience for the Magic: Story. I've seen better D&D campaigns run by very untalented people...

>>53910230
Saying with me now: all three of these gods are two of the three grixis colors. Green is not grixis. And scarabs are more associated with black because of curses.

>>53910264
And insects aren't red or blue. Your point?

>>53910295
These are. Get over it, nerd.

>>53910254
Fine by me.

>>53910295
And that's not an insect, it's a god who looks like one.

>>53910268
unless tezzeret gave the new phyrexia the blue print of the planar portal to counter bolas army

>>53909847
>"Pull From Tomorrow for 8, make 8 dudes?"

Yes. YES

>>53910295
These insects are red and blue.

>>53910313
Have you read the card? Or are you just so quick to defend wizards that you can't be bothered.

>>53910295

>blue insect cycle from innistrad/return

>>53910170

Cant let the new combo piece for Ad Nauseam Unlife to stop it from winning with Lightning Storm.

>>53910295
There actually is 13 red insects. The only mono-blue insects are the innistrad cycle

>>53910331
He's a blue and red god who makes blue and red insects. He's magic, he ain't gotta explain shit. There's nothing that needs defending here. All of the gods are in Bolas colors which means one of them has to get shafted from black. This one doesn't do anything really black, so he's the one that didn't get black.

>>53909953
Atraxa and Newzuri decks will now pack much more artifact/enchantment kill

>>53910424
Atraxa Superfriends is still fine. They might even run Solemnity themselves.

>>53910119
Oh yes. I'm brewing some Enchantress with this.

>>53910452
It makes for a great combo piece with Persist creatures after all.

>>53909953
will this not combo with thing in the ice because you need at least one counter to remove?

>>53910511
>Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, remove an ice counter from Thing in the Ice. Then if it has no ice counters on it, transform it.
Yes, it works. Thing flips right after the first instant/sorcery.

>>53909953
Most interesting card in the set by far. Not saying much though

>>53909847
Oh boy, Nekusar is going to have some fun with this

>>53910331
>>53910386
im seeing a theme here of WOTC fucking up the top-down design for B/R legendaries.

>>53909847
>>53909879
Looks like my Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind EDH deck got some new staples.

>>53909847
As a casual tryhard EDH player, most of you already know what I'll do with this overcosted bait. Grenzo 2.0 and Purphoros will be entertaining on top of a pile of tokens. Wish it had -1 cmc, toughness, and activation cost - maybe even "whenever a player discards a card, create a Locust" instead.

>>53909847
I like it

>>53909893
Bojuka bog 2, darude boogaloo

>>53910737
You don't even need to do that.

All you need is skull clamp, ashnod's altar and phyrexia altar

Use clamp and Ashnod's altar to draw your deck and spawn a bunch of tokens, play phyrexia altar with all the <> mana you have lying around and then sac tokens to phyrexia to cast whatever you need to win.

>>53910184
The only Eldrazi in the Amonkhet story is Nissa

Sooooo are these gods under Bolas thumb or were they just banished to outside the city?

>>53910899
They're under Bolas' thumb, and have been sealed away and forgotten about by the population of Amonkhet.

>>53910295
A creature that shits out 1/1 haste flier tokens on carddraw isn't black OR green OR black/green.
It's an insect that makes insects solely because they went with PLAGUE OF LOCUSTS theming to go with the whole everything's getting fucked thing the plane's going through.

>>53910323
Tezzeret is Bolas's pawn.
Tezzeret fucking hates New Phyrexia more than anything else because they are disgusting abominations. He also knows full well what happens if they get planar capabilities.
Not only does he know that Bolas is capable of keeping an eye on him (and can utterly fuck him over at any time), but he knows that no matter how much he hates Bolas, helping New Phyrexia is worse.
New Phyrexia isn't getting the Kaladeshi portal unless Bolas wants them to get it.

>>53909847
>>53910716
Yeah, I already proxied Locust God... I fucking need this. With all of the draw power of a Firemind deck, being able to shit out this many tokens is insane.

>>53909847
Hmm
>Locust makes token when drawing cards
>Scorpion enables card draw

Wonder if the third God will combo with the others for Grixis goodness?

>>53910899
they've been mind raped into being Bolas' minions

>>53911220
Does something whenever a token enters the battlefield?

>>53909879
well this is an interesting variation on mill

>>53911248
The best guess I have seen is

>whenever another creature you control etb put a -1/-1 counter on target creature

>>53911220
>whenever a creature dies, target opponent puts the top card of their library into their graveyard
Dimir isn't allowed to be fun, it can only be mill.

>>53911290
When UB isn't milling it's hurting feefees and we can't have that.

>>53911220
Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, put a -1/-1 counter on target creature
1br create a token creature

>>53911348
Sorry, UB hot mixed up

>>53911273
I think that would be too strong.
Maybe something like:
Whenever a creature you control deals damage to a player, put a -1/-1 counter on target creature.
1UB: Another target creature you control can't be blocked this turn.

>>53909847
Only thing that bugs (hehe) me is that the looting costs 4. I think it could have safely costed 3.

>>53910323
That's what Venser's Brain is for.

>>53911491
If it did, then you would almost certainly be making 3 haste flying tokens next turn plus his own 4/4 flying body (on top of whatever's already on the board)

>>53909953
well ain't this a kick in the head

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>All these hate and combo enabling cards getting printed,

Thank you based Wizards

>>53911014
What was Tezz doing in New Phyrexia anyways? Scoping out tech like Torpor Orb? Mining Darksteel? Trying to become the Father of Machines?

>>53910212
brb brewing janky mmemdern decks again

>>53911491
The looting shits out 1/1 fliers with haste, you're paying 2 for the looting and 2 for the token.

>>53911789
Scouting shit, because Bolas is too lazy to do so himself.

>>53911809

>1/1 hasty flyer costs 2

a bit expensive by contemporary power levels

>>53910084
Dominaria seems to be right after Ixalan.

>>53911881
It's a flying 1/1 body with haste, it sure as hell ain't gonna cost 1 mana.

>>53911881
not for a repeatable effect is isn't

>>53909847
Looks nasty with Pull From Tomorrow

>>53909853
>Top down design set.
>Make a card that refers to stripping cartouches.
>Has no fucking effect on cartouches.
Bravo.

>>53911941

nigger it costs 8 mana to do twice

>>53912002
And? Repeatable effects will always cost more. Imagine with Locus God you're paying 1 to loot, 2 for a 1/1 haste flyer, and 1 for the ability to repeat the effect.

>>53911881
That's accurate, yes.

>>53909915
>>53909944
Still not worthy imo.

>>53912102

>paying mana for the existence of a colon

>>53911918
Isn't there first a new core set?

>>53912188
Yes, it's that important. I don't get what's so hard for you to understand.

>>53912211
afaik, after ixalan it's large set, large set, core set.
Ixalan should finish at the end of this year and they want core set to be the 3rd set of each year of the new rotation.

>>53912188
You can dislike it all you want. I also dislike it, but from a design perspective it makes sense. If you have a spell that cost 3, that effect happens once (in a vacuum). If you have a creature that can essentially "cast" this spell without having to tap, that same spell effect needs to have some sort of drawback or restriction. In this case, a little extra mana.

>>53912211
Core sets are Summer, Dominaria's in Spring.

>>53912211
>>53912251
It'll be Ixalan, Rivals, Large Set (Dominaria, presumably), Core Set, Large Set.

You're all forgetting that you're not supposed to use the Locust loot ability this much, it's only there for the creature to not be dead in the water if you can't use another draw spell.

>>53912362
He's never really dead in the water considering you have a draw phase.

>>53910470
phyrexian unlife.

>>53912362
Just cycle ur Censors :^)

this set is so dull

Can WotC please just release Ixalan instead of HoD?

Somebody talk me out of playing New Perspectives jank with Locusts.
Someone talk me into it.

>>53912525
do it fagget

>>53912525
>cycle ur Censor :^)
>get 1/1 flyer
>pay 1, Drek Heven pls gib 2/2 flyer
>use ability
>get 1/1 flyer
>pay 1, Drek Heven pls gib 2/2 flyer

>>53912362
Perfect ability to use on the enemy's end step in a control deck

>>53912362
The other guy might be memeing but you can always just cycle stuff to fuel it.

>>53912629
You people are making me love the locust even if I know he's not going to end up being meta.

>>53912655
He'll be meta when the Gearhulk rotates out

>>53910114
Or we could just make a draft environment full of constructed playable cards, without fucking draft bombs like planeswalkers.

Cube drafting is the most fun I've ever had with magic, and it's full of cards with similar power levels, all powerful and playable.

Current draft design is make everything crap except for the chase mythics.

>>53912686
Yeah, I did cube drafting a dozen or so times and it was fun every time, no other draft would let me pitch Demon Daddy of Draw 7 first turn and bring him back with Reanimate the next.

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>>53912686
>mfw I finally got my pauper cube up to a standard I'm happy with

still missing a couple of staples (delver, cogwork librarian, maze of ith) but it's such a nice feeling to be genuinely perplexed by what my first choice should be because all the cards are pretty good despite all being common

>>53912686
You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>53912686
Masterpieces/Invocations/etc fuck up drafts even harder most of the time.
Last week a dude got an Attrition. In a set that features recurring creatures. He won every round he drew the damn thing.
Then again, I had a draft where I got a Hazoret and Glorybringer and just dumpstered everyone with those.
But yeah, there needs to be good removal options at common that don't cost a billion fucking mana.

>>53912659
>when the Gearhulk rotates out
:^)

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>>53909953
>I shouldn't have built r/g Pummeler
>I should have built u/w
Fffffffffff

>Rofllos asked:

>Is The Locus God a color pie break? UR shouldn't be making tokens on card draw. It seems more of a UG thing.

>We tried to make the tokens have more of a red flavor by giving them haste. I was pretty unsatisfied with the outcome. If I could go back, The Locus God would have been Blue and Green and created tokens with deathtouch instead of haste.

>>53912686
Does /tg/ have a weekly cube thread?

>>53909953
Oh baby oh baby.

>>53912834
>poorfags
>have cubes
you're not making any sense anon

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>>53909915
>the Eternal
>no Eternalize

>>53912810
The only thing that's not UR about the dude is the fact that he's a bug, if he was a storm elemental or something no one would say a thing.
>>53912855
We just printed out a whole legacy cube, it cost us nothing and we can replace any card that disappears for cheap.

>>53912882
>previous version
>the Worthy
>is shit
They're just staying to the theme.

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>>53912882
The Eternalize mechanic implies that when the being is reborn, they become something like pic related

That's basically what Neheb is in that card

>>53912951
Amonkhet was basically Bolas setting up a huge factory for producing powerful and loyal undead, it's the kind of roundabout yet effective plan an immortal elder dragon would come up with and I love it

>>53912855
>poorfags
>NOT having cubes
Everyone plans it out and contributes to the cube. It's very cheap if you just figure out who gets what cards and who prints out the expensive shit. The only cost sink is the sleeve cost, which you can mass order from Potomac.

>>53910212
Also combos with decree of silence making sure your opponents never cast anything ever again.

>>53913026
Fuck, just proxy/chinaman everything. It's not like you're going to take your cube to a tournament and compete against other cubes.

>>53909953
Will this combo with Devoted Druid the same way Vizier of Remedies does or does the "can't" wording lockout Druid's ability?

>>53912882
Well yeah, he's already Eternalized.

>>53909953
>planeswalkers excluded
Of course.
Standard question:
Are energy decks fucked now?

>>53913081
Won't combo like how Melira won't combo.

>>53910190
Literally anything with suspend.

>>53913009
Honestly I really feel like a lot of the flavor was on point this block. Not exactly spectacular, but they had a theme and they rolled with it well.

>>53913058
"Can't" locks it out. Vizier is a replacement. It does work with persist and undying, so if you find a free sacrifice source, you can go to town.

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>>53912555
>cycle through my whole deck
>kill you with a locust swarm

I'm building this shit for kitchentable, fuck it.

>>53913117
Suspend cards are in exile, not stack.

>>53913058
Even in a tournament you'll be fine. When a judge does a deck check, which they only typically do to the top 32/whatever due to time constraints, they're just going to match your deck against the list. Not like they'll pull them out and do a light test and shit.
Supposedly you can get home-printed shit through so long as you double sleeve and have a half-way decent printer.

>>53913123
The biggest thing I was worried about was that they were just going to channel fireball bolas to death, having him show up and totally wreck all of the Jacetice League's plans is great

>>53909953
Doesn't this really fuck over Affinity in Modern?

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>>53909847
Prime edh material
>is a 4/4 so he Kills in 5 and he comes with evasion.

>good token generation in colors are usually meh at it. They also have just flying and haste so they can chump for days and also swing for leathal after a significanly large (or infinite ;) ) draw

>is his own mana sink so he can just win on the spot with infinite mana without needing to have any other pieces in play first

>he will pretty much always cost 6 unless he gets exiled from field or yard

I like him in a stax/combo shell alot

>>53913185
4/4 kills in 6.

>>53913181
How does it fuck over affinity? At best it turns off ravager, steel overseer and inkmoth nexus and it costs three mana.

>>53913207
>At best it turns off ravager, steel overseer and inkmoth nexus
sounds like fucking over affinity to me

>>53913207
>it only turns off three of Affinity's best cards, guys
That being said, being three mana really hurts it since Affinity puts up such a fast clock.

>>53912810
Kek. Eat it faggots, told you so.
And fuck wizards for thinking that all red can do is slap haste on creatures.

>>53913245
>>53913246
>3 mana
>does nothing against stuff like cranial plating
>gets even worse after sideboarding

I mean if you get it out t2 using mana dorks or something..

>>53913197
Fug. I cant into math

>>53913340
IT's okay, that's why you play EDH. You're among friends ;*)

>>53912888
Well that's kind of the crux of the whole thing. When you think devouring swarms of constant mindless eating and reproducing (and also two colors) you think Golgari or Gruul. You don't think Izzet, aka science goblins. Makes no goddamn sense.

>>53913322
MaRo is wrong, as usual. What's new? Your whining won't make it BG or anything else. It works as UR and you'll have to accept it. Sounds like the only one who has to eat it is you.

>>53913365
At least locustman is unique and there will never be another one like him in his colors.

>>53913363
>EDH
>the format where the numbers can get so big and that there are chances for so many unorthodox interactions that at times you'll need a calculator on hand
>for people who can't into math
This is only true if you play in a full battlecruiser meta or with super casuals. Standard and Modern are pretty much just count to 20, linear formats in comparison.

>>53913365
There's no reason that UR should be stuck with just its Ravnican Izzet identity. There's more to the color pair, and most color pairs, than the guilds.

>>53913426
I don't disagree, but I will note that full on super casual battlecruiser magic is what the RC wants your games to be, and if you don't play that way you're interfering with their artistic vision.

Fuck em. Competitive EDh is fun.

>>53913475
Competitive EDH doesn't let me use Locustman or General T-Rex as my generals though.

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>>53913365
I agree with >>53913443

>>53913443
What were they on shadowmoor again?

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>>53913401
Docent of Perfection/Final Iteration comes close, sort of. It makes wizard tokens then transforms and turns those wizards into Delvers (insects).

I am kind of hyped. Docent, Locus God, Chasm Skulker. Edh/Commander UR Toolbox deck with tokens and combo backup plans. I'm excited.

>>53913493
You could easily build a t3 competitive 4 horseman-esc locust deck.

>>53913534

Destructive donkey people

>>53913365
Bugs and insects display all kinds of R or U behavior. Setting traps, excessive violence, building structures, attacking in groups.

Basically any swarm could be viewed as red if it's main purpose is violence, and created living things get put into blue all the time.

>>53913173
Only the sharkiest of rule sharks would call a proxy check in the first place. Mainly because it holds up the tourney significantly and the judges hate when that shit happens. Even if it does happen, the judge is just going to give the cards a quick glance. They're not going to inspect each card, pull it out of the double sleeve, look closely and judge, then double sleeve the cards back since it would take far far too long. The anti-proxy propaganda is "ALL judges will know precisely what to look for, so it's not even worth it to proxy because they're all so obvious." Which makes the mtg judges look like they have some sort of autistic devotion to the game and will drop everything to carefully screen proxies with robot like precision.
As long as your chinaman copies have alright text (I dont think they ever fixed C r y p C o m or Sc a l d i ng Ta rn) and somewhat close colors, it'll pass checks (They shouldn't get on your case with colors, MTG print runs are all over the place in terms of quality). Just play it cool if you get checked.
Worst case scenario? Just start autistically screeching that you got ripped off on ebay.

>>53913322
I suppose Niv Mizzet isn't UR either, because this is Niv Mizzet redux, only its damage can be blocked instead of being directly to the face.

>>53913534
UR in Eventide had a theme of swapping power and toughness and evasion.

One rare cheated creatures into play and the other stole permananets.

>>53913573
I love those bastards. Hope to see them again some time.

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>>53913573
Noggles best creature type.

>>53913443
Thank you, very true

>Worst case scenario? Just start autistically screeching that you got ripped off on ebay.
Kek

>>53913717
>direct damage is red
>card draw is blue
Maybe I'm just not reading the one that makes insect tokens. Which Niv are we talking about again?

>>53913796
This will be one of the tribal commander decks.

>>53911273
infinite combo with nest of scarabs. Hilarious, but unlikely

>>53913443
It's easier to just design according to the guilds, since people eat that shit up. I know many players that identify with the guilds.
>every player that identifies as Izzet is a cringe inducing memelord that spouts stale memes and keeps showing off the imgur front page

>>53909937
2 different kinds of relic like card == 8relic

Reprint relic == 4relic

This is what wizards gets for naming thingsafter characters

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>>53913880
Kinda hard because there are only 4 noggles in all magic. There are more fucking Ouphes than Noggles.

>>53913934
Oh god, they're donkey kender.

>>53913851
hasty tokens are red. Flying tokens are blue. Creature type is irrelevant (see: white mummies)
Hasty flying tokens are essentially direct damage that can be blocked.
In exchange for the damage potentially sticking around, Locusts's draw is shittier than Niv's.

>>53913915
It would be a pseudo infinite combo as is if you had something to make use of it.

Draw card, make insect, creature etb so -1 on insect, kill it to draw a card. Have anything like "when creature dies X" and set.

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>>53913962
except they don't try to be naive and cute about it and are straight up dicks

>>53913636
Not a proxy check, just the random deck checks (technically they're supposed to check every deck) judges do.
Double sleeving is good here since, if you use a matte sleeve, it obscures fucking everything on the card.
I wonder if screeching about getting ripped off would save you from getting a DCI ban?

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>>53913962
Not nearly as bad. They're assholes that will admit to being assholes. Pic related is a damn kender. You can practically hear the sugar high squealing of "MOM SAID IT WAS MY TURN TO PLAY" The kind of sticky fingered kids that you want to punt in the face. The little kids on the playground that stole shit and claimed it was their's because your name wasn't on it.

>>53909953
I wish this thing had legs and was legendary.

>>53913920
Ravnica was a very popular plane, so it doesn't surprise me. However, Ravnica got too guild focused in RtR.

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Do you think cycle matter cards will be viable once HOU releases ?

I like the New Perspectives deck a lot but I would like a more midrangy version to exist as well, with pic related and Archfiend of Ifnir.

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>>53909953
>doesn't affect planeswalkers

Fuck WotC. God forbid a mediocre hate card gets printed for planeswalkers. It would have been a real shame if the text was as easy as "counters can't be placed on permanents". Fuck that you gotta list out everything besides the one card type you wanna push the most.

>>53909953
Even more dark depths activators? Inb4 new legend rules fucks up lands

>>53914234

Wouldn't it just immediately kill planeswalkers because they would come in with no loyalty counters? Not exactly something you can print at 3 cmc.

But keep bitching about them actually printing answers again.

>>53914234
They'd then have to cost it appropriately for the 'players can't play planeswalkers' text doing so adds to it.
Either it doesn't hit planeswalkers, or it costs too much to be effective against other shit.

>>53914234
Being unable to place counters effectively says "No one can play planeswalkers."
It goes beyond shutting down an archetype and into completely removing an entire card type.

>>53911974
>believing the top down meme

It was pretty obvious from Amonkhet that the whole set could have been re-written as anything. All the gods were generic as fuck and clearly could have been like a dragon, or a giant, or a strong human but they realized they needed to be gods so they slapped indestructible and the first random restriction Bob could shout out.

Plus there were a lot of cards that made no sense like all the artifact hate when there was only a handful of artifacts in the whole set.

>>53909879
Definitely gonna use this in my BU self-mill deck

>>53914270
There are better hate cards for more relevant card types that are cheaper

Rest in Peace is 2 mana and doesn't say "w-well if you opponent has a p-planeswalker and they wanna use the graveyard it's o-okay". Stony Silence shuts down artifacts and hard. A card that essentially kills planeswalkers as they enter would be perfectly fair at 3 mana.

>>53914285
It is costed appropriately. It's a mirror effect and it shuts down specific enough things even including walkers.

>>53914288
>archetype

kek. I've never played against a mono-planeswalker strategy in any format I've played.

>but it removes an entire card type NOT FAIR

Accept literally every single hate card printed for artifacts, enchantments, graveyards, certain creatures, instants, sorceries, card draw etc.. those are all fair right? But one that hit's planeswalkers?! Absolutely unfair.

>>53909953
How does this affect Harnessed Lightning's Status as best removal in the format? Does this push Abrade over the edge?

>>53914423
Hey, there are five cards at one to two mana costs that hate on planeswalkers in the next set. :^)

>>53914306
By the same token you could say the Theros gods were generic as fuck.
I thought it was a well-done set, at least thematically. Power levels could've been better, at least compared to Kaladesh, but overall it's been fun.
Kind of sad the gods died. Bit like being Jesus' #1 proselytizer and then he shows up and is actually a massive cunt and kills you while at the same time pissing on everything you believed in.

>>53914423
What cards exist that say your opponents cannot play artifacts, enchantments, creatures, etc? Sure you have things like stony silence that'll shut down a lot of shit, but you can still at least play them, have them on the board, etc, and maybe be able to remove the hate card at some point.

>>53914423
rest in piece shuts down graveyard interactions, a very niche archtype of card or deck. The majority of cards and decks can still function without it, including dredge decks
Stony silence doesn't stop artifact creatures from attacking nor does it stop triggered abilities or other interactions (affinity, improvise, modular)
They aren't going to make a card that effectively says "planeswalkers die when they etb, and loyalty counters cannot be added to them"

>>53914423
Rest in Peace and Stony Silence shut down subsets of cards. They do not fuck over every last one of the things in their card type. Stony Silence doesn't prevent static abilities or keep artifact creatures from attacking or blocking. Do they fuck up the strategies they're designed to hit? Yes. They don't also hit other strategies on top of that.
There are zero cards that prevent every creature, enchantment, artifact, land, instant, or sorcery from being played by both players, or that destroy them when they are played.
There are exactly TWO enchantments that prevent lands from being played, and both cost 5+ mana with ways to get out.
Being symmetrical does not make it cost less because if you're running it you're simply not running that card type.
There should be planeswalker hate, yes, but having it be outright 'you can't play it' at three mana while also hosing other stuff is not in fact appropriate.

>>53914527
>>53914554
Planeswalkers are so niche in most decks that you'd probably never run more then say 8 in a deck. Even above 4 is rare.

So a card that just says you have to hold them in your hand doesn't sound the end of days to me.

Especially since you can say I dunno...remove the enchantment for 1 or 2 mana?

I'm not sure why retards defend the planeswalker card type as the one thing that shouldn't get touched by anything, no good hate or removal should be printed for them ever.

>>53914259
Would you play Solemnity and then Dark Depths to prevent it from coming into play with Ice Counters?

>>53914625
No one is defending it. We're just giving you the reason why the card doesn't include planeswalkers in its effect - it's overly broad.

>>53914625
I think they should make a similar card that states "counters can't be put on planeswalkers by abilities" so that would prevent them from ticking up, but preventing them from entering the battlefield is too much. There is no card that unconditionally prevents a card type from entering the battlefield

>>53914625
Good hate SHOULD be printed for them.
It shouldn't come attached to something that's hate for an entirely different thing on top of that.
Stony Silence doesn't randomly hose storm.
Rest in Peace doesn't randomly hose burn.
Infect/Energy/Counter Hosing Enchantment shouldn't randomly hose every planeswalker as well

would dark depths be a new deck type in an eternal format, or would land hate plus creature exile be too strong?

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>>53914631
Probably not, since the color and the cardtype aren't quite right. Might be worth thinking about tho, could play in conjunction with mystic remora or something.
Pic related on the other hand might work in a blue shell with intuition and academy ruins

>>53914718
Dark Depths is already a deck in legacy and I don't think they need the new enchantment.

>>53913040
Holy shit. THIS is the big one.

>>53909886
What the hell would a relic of progenitus be doing on Amonkhet?

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>>53914527
Damping Engine

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>>53914527

Is it just me or is this set underwhelming as fuck? I have almost no interest in seeing more cards at this point.

>>53915303
After seeing Ixalan spoilers I have very little interest in HOU. Neheb is the only card so far that I really like.

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>>53914527
there are actually quite a lot of such cards

>>53915303
That's every set in the last 8 years for me.

>>53915303
Welcome to the NWO! You can judge a set almost entirely by it's mythics thanks to wotc deciding interesting cards can't be uncommon or common. Also, power shifting to creatures and away from removal has contributed to a terrible play environment.

>>53914554
>graveyard interactions, a very niche archtype of card or deck
I'm pretty sure snapcaster is the most played creature in modern, tarmogoyf is at least top 5, and DRS is in every other legacy deck.

>>53915435

Don't even kid yourself. They are moving back to including removal and hosers, but you'll still find a way to whine about it.

>>53915529
yes but all of those creatures still do creature things and can be played without a graveyard

>>53912501
Don't worry goyim, your new sets with new creature types is coming soon :))

>>53915601
Have they confirmed themselves doing so? Outside of a direct statement to the effect, I'll wait a while and observe the cards they release before changing my opinion. Fatal Push was a promising start, but we need a sustained chain of fatal pushes to keep standard on the right track.

>>53915601
>moving back

Gimme that proof, anon. Yes, we have new hosers, but removal is still garbage.

>>53915616
Yeah a vanilla 0/1 for 2 mana sounds pretty attractive

>>53915601
>They are moving back to including removal and hosers

Yeah I love bad lightning bolt and bad relic of progenitus!

I sure hope they still don't push planeswalkers and mythics super hard! But I doubt it cause WOTC Is BACK BABY!

>>53915711
thats what you get for playing a niche synergy - hate cards
they exist for a reason

>>53914207
I think there will be another B/U cycle card and maybe 2 or 3 other cards to support it.

I feel like it's just gonna late game control unfortunately but too tempo reliant to be played in high tier games.

>>53912882
eternals are bolas' blue necrons

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>>53915789
>a niche strategy is including a tarmogoyf in your deck
>this is completely different then having a planeswalker in your deck

>>53915789
You keep saying niche, but it doesn't mean what you think it means
Graveyard interaction is and has always been very popular, if anything that is why hate cards were printed

>>53909953
>WotChatesMerenandAtraxa.jpg
I was also gonna buy into RG Energy this weekend, now I have $150 to spare and will continue not playing Standard.

>>53914288
So does pretty much any other playable hate card. It's fucking ridiculous that WOTC refuses to print the same hate that they print for every other card type for planeswalkers.

>>53910114
Eternal Masters was a 10/10 draft enviroment.
It's not Constructed worthy cards that ruin the draft, it's 300/320 cards being designed to be shit at anything but draft that ruins the draft.

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>>53915687
Fatal Push,Grasp of Darkness, Shock/Magma Spray/Harnessed Lightning, Declaration in Stone, Immolating Glare/Blessed Aliance.

Just go by it costs one more in Standard. It's not like you have to deal with Goblin Guides, Goyfs and Death Shadows as well. So it's actually fair.

>>53910212
It may be a purposeful plant to excuse banning Phyrexian Unlife in Modern. WotC hates combo that much.

>>53916037
>Fatal Push
okay
>Grasp of Darkness
okay
>Shock
LMAO
>Magma Spray
see above
>Harnessed Lightning
see above again x5
>Declaration in Stone
legit good
>Immolating Glare
white doom blade is fine

>>53915958
Good planeswalker hate already exists though, it's called face burn. Just look at Open Fire and Inferno Jet in this set for some good burn spells

>>53916081
>face burn
>planeswalker hate

Yeah nothing feels better then bolting a gideon for 3 mana....after it uses its ability....and lives anyway.....

>>53916122
Just use 2 then :)

>>53909847
Kinda underwhelmed by this god, but I think that's because I can't stop trying to compare him to big poppa Keranos, who was disgustingly strong

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>>53909953
>Mfw R/G Pummeler player

>>53916081
>3 mana lightning bolt
>good face burn
Have you even played magic before Amonkhet

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>>53916187
>mfw Delirium player who thought of going into BG energy after rotation

>>53916246
you're getting direct upgrades to lava axe and you STILL complain

face it, if you can't afford playsets of planeswalkers, you don't deserve to win

>>53916280
>upgrades to lava axe
LMAO

Please post more jokes like this, anon.

>>53916313
open fire is also excellent if you want to avoid mana burn from excess mana in your pool, dumbass

>>53916343
Alas, anon, I fear that was a bait too far.

>>53914288
>Being unable to place counters effectively says "No one can play planeswalkers."

Good. That's exactly what it should do. Fuck planeswalkers.

>>53916429

Fuck spells. Magic should just be about playing lands.

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>>53913796
God I love MacDougall's art for that block.

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>>53916066
There is also Incendiary Flow, Fiery Temper and Lightning Axe.

>>53916081
I don't where this meme of bolt kills walkers came from. You can only Kill Tibalt with a single bolt.

But I agree, Planeswalkers are completely cancerous and should be hated out completely.

>>53909886
Relic is definitely better but its not a one to one thing. This can hit specific cards while relic cannot

>people are still so livid about planeswalkers
They're not even relevant, besides jace in legacy and karn in tron (and the problem comes mostly from coming down t3 isntead of t7 as intended)

>>53914288
>Removing a whole zone is ok when it's the graveyard because dredge is meanie and hurt my fee fees >:(
>NO TOUCHING MY MC-WALKERS THO!!!!!!

>>53916569
Because they aren't a very fun card type

It's very snowbally and boring

>>53916569

Welcome to spergs having to deal with something different, they'll never let go even ten years later.

>>53914608
>Rest in Peace and Stony Silence shut down subsets of cards.
Rest in peace shuts down a whole fucking ZONE and removes it from play.

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>>53916569
We just hate that value machines get permanent special treatment.
They are a pain in Standard and relevant in Modern.

>>53915658
They said that they printed too much quality threats and not enough quality answers. Also have you seen some of the grave hate in Hour? One is a land, and there is a relic of Relic of Progenitus (except a bit worse, cost 2 mana, cost 1 to exile 1 card, and doesn't cantrip. On the plus side you get to choose which card gets exiled). As for Artifact hate I've seen people talk about possibly using By Force in non-rotating formats.

>>53916066
>Implying Harnessed Lightning, the single most played removal before Push came along, is bad
Every red deck ran it, wether it used energy or not.

>>53916730
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>v^<vv<^>v<^<^^><v^>standard

Opinion discarded.

>>53916569
>They're not even relevant
They are VERY relevant in Standard.

>>53916693
>trying to dialog with retards who think RiP is fine or anything but the second most overpowered hate card probably because they got raped retarded by dredge

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>>53916569
Excuse you

>>53916947
Maybe one year ago. Jund is not that popular anymore, abzan moved towards counters combo and most death's shadow lists don't play her.

>>53916628
And only a small subset of cards actually care about that zone. It doesn't stop sorceries from being played because those are put into the graveyard on resolution.
There's also a card (a few cards, really) that shuts down searching libraries, but that doesn't cause lands in general to be irrelevant as a side effect.
Hate cards should shut down the things they're targetted at, not the things they're targetted at AND some other shit just because there's some correlation.
They should definitely print a 'completely fuck over planeswalkers' card, but it shouldn't also be the card designed to fuck over a bunch of other shit, and this was designed with the other shit in mind rather than planeswalkers.

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>Jace(autist)
>Gideon(face or jobber?)
>Nissa(retard)
>Chandra(retard)
>Liliana(evil)
>Ajani(furry)

Face it, these fags had it coming. They're small fry in the multiverse, stopping the Eldrazi was a fluke. If you aren't on the level of at least Sorin let alone Karn, Ugin, Bolas, Urza, don't even call yourself a Planeswalker.

>>53917060
She still sees a lot of play and is extremely powerful.

>>53917060
Still sees play in legacy doesn't she? And she still has the unjustified 80€ pricetag for whatever reason.

>>53917074
>And only a small subset of cards actually care about the graveyard

Here's (you). I'm not even gonna read the rest of your retarded ramblings. Please off yourself

>>53917086
They did the equivalent of breaking into a gang bosses house while he's out and smashing the place up and then waiting until he gets home, with predictable results

>>53917086
Ajani spooked Bolas via being in the right place at the right time, the others have nothing, lionman even told them not to go around doing stupid shit but did they listen? Fuck no.

>>53909879
actually is "where X is the number of cards put in that graveyard from anywhere this turn"

>>53917086
>If it was a Jace planeswalker spell, scry 2.
i know they're just building up to his big return all cape movie-like, but I still love there's a card whose full effect is "fuck Jace". I just wish it was a Tezzeret card and not a Bolas card,
but etc.

>>53917302

It's a cycle, there's one for every one of the Jacetice League except Ajani because he was smart enough not to think he could just invade one of Bolas' planes and not get BTFO

>>53916271
Why is that pin stabbing the nice lady?

>>53917332
Pithing Needle

>>53917332

It's a Pithing Needle to keep her from bringing a Batterskull into play.

>>53917297

Are they trying to set Ajani up as the wise mentor of the crew? Liliana is still old enough to be his great-grandmother(if she were the same species ofc), she's clearly not too bright though.

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Will emerge ever be viable?

>>53917432
no

>>53917420
Yeah, and honestly I like the lion dude for now, they'd need to rape his character pretty hard to make me hate him.

>>53917420
As the only living planeswalker we know of that has successfully faced off against Bolas (I'm looking at you, Ugin) he should probably be considered an authority on the subject of knowing what the fuck should happen next

>>53917432
I'm not sure. I'm still of the mindset that Dredge cards like Tasigur and Fish could enable powerful cards like Deep-Friend or Mind-bender at some point.

>>53917420
He's a big good lion monk and the only being in the whole history of magic that ever got Bolas to think "oh shit!" for the smallest moment.

And while Liliana is superancient, she is out of her game. All she can do is raise zombies and be a cunt, and Bolas can easily out-zombie and out-cunt her.

Have they revealed what the third God of Devastation will be? I'm hoping for frog

>>53917499
>He's a big good lion monk and the only being in the whole history of magic that ever got Bolas to think "oh shit!" for the smallest moment.

ahem
http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Tetsuo_Umezawa

>>53917510
it's going to be scarab

>>53917521
Weeb 1
Bolas 0

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I think this guy is going to get eternalized.
Also, what do you guys think of Embalmers Tools for Eternalize.dek?

>>53916756
>Implying its a bad card just because 'muh standard'
If energy was good enough for modern you'd think otherwise. I mean it, Harnessed Lightning is a very high powered card. Its just that the other energy cards aren't as good. With the exception of...

>Electrostatic Pummeler
>Voltaic Brawler
If the rest where half as good as these Zoo would be an energy deck. Which would run Harnessed Lightning even though it can't burn face unlike bolt. That's how good it is.

>>53917420
Liliana told the rest of the group where to find Bolas purely for her own gain, and will no doubt be the first of the Gatewatch to flee when they're forced to actually fight him. She's less dim and more opportunistic.

>>53917432
Isn't Emerge basically Offering from Kamigawa without the tribal or Flash component?

>>53917396
Batterskull or Emrakul?
Kinda hard to tell if it's Stoneforge or Nahiri

>>53917510
Scarab is the god of Eternity.
Locust is Promise, Scorpion is Glory.

>>53917332
>genocidal kor is a nice lady. (I'm assuming she's Nahiri)

>>53917661
I thought it still gave flash.

Otherwise yeah.

Offering was one of the best keywords wizard's ever done. Emerge was good too, but it didn't live up to its potential.

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>>53917823
If a card has flash and emerge, can it emerge as flash?

>>53917510
Cause of the 10 plagues?

>>53917823
Does it really have the flash? I remember Offering's reminder text specifically says "at any time you could cast an instant."

>>53917432
Emerge was and is a deck on Standard though.

>>53917842
I guess so.

>>53917864
As I said I thought it did. If it doesn't, well, then Emerge isn't as cool as offering.

Honestly, I'd go back to Kamigawa just to get more, better Offering cards.

>>53917913
Not that anon, but to clear any confusion, Emerge does not change the speed at which the creature can be cast.

From Wizards;
>Using emerge doesn't change when you can cast the spell—during your main phase when the stack is empty, unless the spell has flash...somehow.

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>>53917842
Yes.

>>53917842
It's a alternate cost, you're still casting it, so yeah, you can.

>>53916569
Gideon Ally of Zendikar has been in the best or second best deck during all of his Standard existance and Lilly of the Veil is the most played walker in both Legacy and Modern.

>>53918217
I thought Jace was more played in Legacy than Lilly.

>>53917536
Eternalize deck? Doubt it. I assume you'd want an Embalmers Tools deck. Advanced Stitchwing type cards might be worth running. There are also some other cards in standard that don't have eternalize or embalm that work with Embalmer's tools. Ghoulcaller's Accomplice almost has embalm.

Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if it was only in a fringe/casual deck

>>53918273
Not now that Miracles is ded.

>>53918383
Hmm, Maybe with a Dread Wanderer + Prized Amalgam combo too.

>>53918600
not him but I've been playing with a W/B embalm deck and it's not too bad.
you really don't need the blue because the only W/U embalm helpers are kind of weak and Blue as a color kind of blows outside gearhulk control right now.

I'm so happy with Locust God, I hope we get Scarab God spoiled tomorrow.

>>53909879

Well hey, that might actually let Mill have some fun; just flat-out your opponent with Traumatize if they have an even number of cards in their deck.

>>53917432

Elder Deep-Fiend does. Grixis and Temur Emerge are a lot of fun.

>Discarding, drawing, throwing lightning axes
>Juggle Skaabs
>Sudden tentacle hentai scene before your turn
>Oh, and some extra zombies waiting to slap shit because you were playing with your graveyard

>>53919921
You just know we won't get him until thursday of next week.

>>53915877
a planeswalker is a type of card, not something that synergizes with a specific zone
for the sake of consistency, card types don't get unconditional hate, and tarmagoyf is still able to be played, can attack, and block. You won't get a card that unconditionally prevents a planeswalker from being played
>>53915879
it is still one of many many many archtypes of deck and interaction, not a specific type of card. All moderately popular types of interactions or decks get hate cards, justly so. Card types never get unconditional hate that prevents them from being played

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>>53909937
We already have 8relic. Why would anyone run 8 of a sideboard only card anyway?

>>53920133
Slight corrections for you, because someone's going to claim otherwise:
There have been examples in the past that did otherwise, yes. Those examples are old as shit and have exit conditions (usually nasty upkeep costs or a way for the opponent to negate it).
What others there are extremely conditional or single turn. Or expensive as shit and still conditional.

>>53917432
if they did more decent cards with either card advantage or a significant amount of tokens or something. Paying two cards and two turns of mana for a single creature is tough for any format with good removal

>>53910084
There really isn't enough design space left for spore counters, if they revisit thallids at all

>>53915958
Show me a 3cmc hate card that says "players can't play lands". Or one that says "players can't cast instants" or "players can't cast sorceries". The only remotely comparable hate card is Presence of the Master and that's from fucking 1998.

so has anyone deciphered the rest of the Ixalan sheet?

Standard completely collapsed at my LGS, shit sucks. It's an extra shame since the unwashed, stanky neckbeard types were fairly uncommon. My only other option in town is, of course, a place where you know you're in a shop by the smell before you see anything.

The spoilers kind of lose their luster when I know I'm not going to be playing at anything except gameday and 99% of the cards are going to be inefficient/worse versions of things for other formats.

>>53921313

Cool blog post fuckboy.