Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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third for fluffy lists

pls help me make this better

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What is this guy supposed to be?

>disintegration guns

>buy a few brushes, primer, and sealant from craft store
>get 25% off coupon with purchase

Why, AC Moore. Why do you do this to me? I don't think you have anything else I need right now. If they have eye droppers, then maybe.

could some one post the main rulebook converted from epub3 to PDF in a size under 100mb please.

>>53897531
A special model, from the 25 or 30 year anniversary I think.

>>53897489
Can we get rid of the 7th ed rules bit of the OP yet?

>>53897531
It's the new stats for that anniversary marine model based on the first ever space marine model ever sold.

>>53897531
That's that limited edition retro beakie they released last year, innit?

They include him but not the new Canonness?

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>>53897531

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>>53897531
Iirc, it was the anniversary Marine sculpted in the likeness of a rogue trader beakie.

>tfw imperial space Marine gets its rules but not the canoness that is only 6 months old

>>53897489
Anyone has the 2004 How to paint space marines?

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>>53897556
Too much fluff to lose.

>>53897562
>GW ignoring sisters of basshole
Shocked?

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Deathskulls or Blood Axes?

To be honest, the Imperial Space Marine looks rad. Veridyan not so much.

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>>53897559
>>53897562
>>53897571
>>53897581
Oh shit, that looks really cool.
How much was the model?

>>53897600
It's that one guy with material as old as the SoB line itself.

Honest question, how many genestealers are too many genestealers? Over the years i've gotten about 80 of them through various means.

>>53897430

I prefer your first orange scheme more but I do like the white helmet. I also prefer pauldrons to be symmetrical.

>>53897622
anything less than 120 genestealers is underkill

>>53897616
About as much or more than a tactical squad box. It was stupid expensive.

>>53897614
Blood axes are coolest.

>>53897616
$25 I think?

$5-7 from china

>>53897531
>power 3
>literally considered to be as strong as a company commander, priest or kommisar.
not sure if i'm digging the power points stuff, it's just like the team yankee shit where a luchs section costs as much as BMP-01

>>53897589
>they get 7 attacks in melee

Except not.

>>53897614
Out of those 2, Deffskulls. I'd only do blood axes if I wanted to do a very specific theme, such as Vietnam War era GI-orks named The Fortunate Gits

Personally, I'm stuck between Goffs and Deffskulls

>>53897562
>They include him but not the new Canonness?
all canonesses got veridyan's aura buff, and beyond that she wasn't really different from them

Sort of like how there are no generic chapter masters. They got rolled into one profile with the captains.

>>53897645
>from china
Wait, was it finecast? it wasn't even metal?
>>53897656
He's only 60pts

>>53897622
I would say a nid player should have anywhere between 20 and 80 at 2000 points, so you're hovering around the ceiling for standard matched play.

>>53897616
30$ for 30th Anniversary

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>>53897663
>the 2 normies get 2 attacks each
>the sergeant gets 3
>???

>>53897689
yeah, double the point cost of a commisar for a guy with a rapid fire S5, lazcannon

>>53897689
plastic character sprue

>>53897689
In 7th, he was a free upgrade to any random marine.

Why are Tzeentch Daemons shit now

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>>53897489
Do flamers still need clear line of sight or can I shoot over my own dudes?

I am trying to figure out what kind of weapon to equip a company command squad with so that it can accompany my bullgryn. The idea being that one of the 4 in the command squad will carry a med-pack to revive fallen bullgryn and for the command squad in general to be a bullet sponge for my priest.

>>53897731
Yeah but now he has 4 wounds.

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Don't mind us, just beep booping through here with our absurd number of shots

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Fishing for replies, r8
no h8 plz never even glanced at a space marine until the DI boxset because the proportions made me want to puke

>Conversions and Kitbashes edition

I like the spunk, OP, but nobody in /40kg/ has any artistic or creative talent at all. This thread will be long gone before any interesting OC in terms of kitbashing or conversions are posted. /wip/ might help you there.

>>53897739

Because you deserve it.

>>53897739
Tried looking at them differently than the old and dead summoning battery ?

A local returning player that quit during 5th was very excited about the Tzeentch daemon changes. But that might also be because he no longer has to buy endless models to have a viable armylist.

>>53897689

I didn't order it because I don't play Marines, but I've seen it in several catalogues.

>>53897777
nurgle laying down the truth bombs

>>53897762

Looks like an orange space marine, not that offensive.

>>53897742
Models in your own unit don't block LoS.

However due to the short range there's no reason not to put the flamers in front anyways, since you pick casualties now instead of allocating wounds to the nearest model

>>53897762
I really like it. I would say that some of those smaller details like the darker hands and elbow pads or the white on the backpack might be tricky or tedious to do for a full force, but the scheme itself is quite nice and striking.

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>>53897762
I like it. Makes me think of spacemarines from a mining colony planet or that one forge world (ryzia?)


can someone pls r8 my list, how shit is it?

>>53897760
>Can't move when in double fire mode

You are booping nowhere son.

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Barring finding out what some of the special rules are next weekend, is this unit any good?

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>>53897793
Holy fuck those digits

>>53897777
Of course Nurgle comes in to shit talk Tzeentch

>>53897811
I've painted a full swarm of bugs, tedium is far beyond a worry

>>53897770
Hey that's not true, my... Maybe you're right. My sorcerer is just a dangles robe with a MKIV helmet, raptor pistol, and night lord power sword arm.

>>53897829
Hmm...compared to normal rough riders they lack the chainswords, but the extra special rules mean they're also more durable.

Possibly better as something to go after marines specifically, compared to standard Rough riders? The FnP against bolters and any cc attacks in return would certainly be nice.

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>>53897770
I know. But I always have the choice to either give in to the shitposting or to try to make /tg/ better, even if ineffective.

Shitposting may be low effort, but is rarely rewarding. And even when it is, it's a hollow, short-lived feeling of reward. Even one good kitbash would enrich the thread a hundred times more.

An easy choice, mate. But I am still responsible for half of the threads that start with shitposting, too.

>>53897829
Assuming they cost 20ppm or less, I want to say they could be okay against the right targets. They give me that rare warm fuzzy feeling of a very well-balanced unit, not total shit and not blatantly OP.

Thunder hammer and Storm shield Vanguard Vets in a drop pod or Jump Packs?

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How's this?

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Commanders all Manta Strike, Fire Warriors huddle up somewhere and supporting fire while the sergeants fire Markerlights, extra 100 points of Shield Drones block charges and shots for them for a while.

So, how come there are no rules for Bran Redmaw in the FW index?

>>53897928
1st company/10

>>53897739
I dunno about them being shit. Ten heralds of tzeetch do al least 10 D3 mortal wounds each turn at 24'' with a Staff of Change for 830 points. Add thousand points of screening units (or even more heralds and then some cheap chaff) and you can repeatedly just melt whatever is closest without a chance at having a save.

How should I build my Helbrute?

>>53897966
That's the point indeed!

>>53897959
Why would you 4*CIB, though? 3*CIB+ATS is going to be cheaper and likely do more damage overall.

>>53897980
idk as the dark mechanicus

>>53897489
Question:
How come in the last 2 years I haven't found a single pdf of the latest gaunts Ghosts novel but when dark imperium came out people had the pdf like 2 days later?

Ok its pay day, where do I get Dark Imperium cheapest online?

Rules question, /40kg/. Does Green Tide mean "as long as" the unit contains 20 or more models? So when 11 boyz die, you lose the extra attack? Or is the stat change permanent--like when you deploy a unit of 30 models, their stats have been permanently altered to be A3 instead of A2.

>>53897829
yeah

Twice the lance attacks, 3+ to hit instead of 4+, carapace, conditional FNP.. no flanking maneuvers hurts, but they're basically just rough riders +1.

>>53897980
Twin Lascannon and Power Scourge.

>>53897925
Jump Packs is cheaper. Both can deep strike. Only difference is that a Drop Pod leaves a useless unit behind that does nothing the rest of the game.

>>53897980
With magnets and glue

>>53898011
The first one. Once you drop below the threshold you lose the buff.

>>53897829
Relative to normal Rough Riders:

pros
>T4
>4+
>FNP against S4 or lower
>DKoK special rules
>better attack from the mount
>2 attacks base


cons
>they don't get flanking
>no chainswords
>no special weapon options (not that big a deal)
>can't get orders from normal guard commanders

They could be quite potent. Really it comes down to cost, and we have no idea what that could be. They could be really pricey--seeing as how normal RRs are 3 power (with more options) and these are 5 (with no options).

>>53897876
>they lack the chainswords
2A base. Two lance attacks > one lance attack + one chainsword attack.

>>53897994
Does it actually? I only skimmed over the Tau mathhammer stuff but it seemed like an extra gun would do better most of the time than the ATS would. If so it would save a lot of points, although I'm not sure where I'd put them... more drones, I guess.

>>53898029
They also hit on a 3+.

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>>53897489
Best Imperial Knight conversion coming through.

>>53898053
stand tall for turtlefall

>>53897799
Thanks, I am just trying to figure out what i can put in the squad to make it an effective support unit to the bullgryn. I was also thinking of using 3 grenade launchers in the squad so that I could lob grenades into the enemy the phase before the bullgryn charge.

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>>53898053
>tfw there will never be 40k game with quality and budget of titanfall 1-2.

>>53898029
>cons
>>they don't get flanking
>>no chainswords
>>no special weapon options (not that big a deal)
>>can't get orders from normal guard commanders
Loss of flanking is literally the only one that really matters there. If you're running DKoK you don't care about orders from other officers, you get DKoK order list from your DKoK officers. This anon >>53898036 explains why the chainsword doesn't matter, and the sergeant actually can take special weapons we just don't know what the list is.

>>53898018
>not Fist, flamer, Scourge in a Dreadclaw

It's like you believe in the emperor

What special weapon is best to pair with a Missile Launcher, guys?

Or isn't there one and I can take whatever?

>>53898118
Missile Launcher is flexible, I would pair it with another flexible weapon like a plasma gun.

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Does anybody have a pdf/epub of the Dark Imperium novel?

>>53898118
another missile launcher?
or 4?

>>53898132
The Codex Astartes literally supports this action.

>>53898159
Tacts can only get one of each, heavy and special.

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Just getting into 40k with release of 8e, trying to decide on an army.

Adeptus Mechanicus seems fun. Robots, cyborgs, stamping out heresy.

How are they in the meta and what are they like to play compared to other factions? Are they fun to paint?

>>53898156
It was posted in the last thread.

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>>53897762
Quick and dirty but I hope it helps.

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>>53898174
>his Marines can only take one special one heavy

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Post the best paintjobs you've ever seen.

>>53898227
Each individual mural is nice, but as a whole that model is fucking ugly as sin.

>>53897489
Oh shit, that bike is so cash. Where's it from? Anyone recognize that bike?

>>53898190
Thanks anon, looks a lot nicer than i was thinking it would

>creamsicle primaris
Deepest lore

>>53898240
Looks like an akira bike.

>>53898240
Akira?

Also it's scratch built.

>>53898219
Fuck off traitors. The Codex Astartes is very clear that one special, one heavy gives the best tactical flexibility to deal with the most amount of threats.

You're just being wasteful.

The Devestators can handle the really heavy work.

>>53898227
He should have stuck to a theme, and not slap every imperial unit he could think of on the armour.

>>53898082
If the DKoK ranged weapons list is anything like normal guard, it'll just be pistols.

and you're right chainswords don't matter either.

But, if someone were adding these in as more elite Rough Riders to a "normal" guard army, the orders thing might come into play.

Then again, there's a Death Rider officer too.

>>53898177
I'd say they're solidly mid-tier. They have very few vehicles but their crab tank's guns are very powerful, and their dudes have some unique guns. They're rather fiddly to paint, so don't worry if you screw them up as a newcomer.

>>53898261
>dis loyalist serious?

Can your devestators take a Missile Launcher, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, and a Flamer for maximum tactical flexability?

>>53898029
>>53898082
Biggest con is 5 PP vs. 3 PP. Suggests they're more like 16-17 points each rather than 10 points each.

>>53898261
get fucked codex adherents.

we kill and die for the emperor. not for a faggot in blue.

>>53898323
Yeah but I would argue they're worth it.

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Should I go normal land raider or land raider redeemer?

>>53898338
>he says, while sucking Guilliman's cock and stuttering "t-thank you for the chadmarines, daddy"

>>53898343
Go Godhammer.

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go fuggin damn son

Ork Speed Freaks are meme tier powerful now

You got motherfucking stormboyz making first turn charges

You got bikers that can fly across the board and pump a FUCKTON of shots into anything that moves, then charge it to death after

You got painboys, Big Mek KFF, and Warbosses on Bikes which can shit on anything that moves, and keep them boys alive and grooving

You got deffkoptas which can deepstrike anywhere on the board and pretty much assassinate any vehicle

You got Trukks that can survive the first turn they need to sprint up the board and dump their boy load, then the trukks can suicide into vehicles to stop them from doing jack shit

then you have the ork fliers, which are all okayish, except for the dakkajet which is fucking scary when kitted out fully

pic related, Speed Freak lists are going to be somewhere in the top of tourneys for real

Does anyone else think it's weird that the first legion to receive Primaris Marine reinforcements is the one that should want them the absolute least?

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>>53898343
Land raider helios for maximum dakka

>>53898373
...Ultramarines??

>>53898397
I meant after Ultramarines. The Dark Angels got them. Duncan showed them off today.

>>53897762
>>53898190
Are there any orange marine chapters that exist already?

>>53898362
Its called Phobos.

>>53898357
chadmarines can serve.
they are examplars of the glorious work of the omnissiah.
>based-robot made marines, better than regular marines.
>bigger frames can support more augmentations.
by the word of the primarch.
two cold metal in the pink one cold metal in the stink.
>iron shockers to war!

>>53898378
but what about these achilles pattern we've got sitting around?

>>53898404
Are you fucking retarded? You can paint Primaris marines in any scheme you want.

>>53898079
>quality
>of Titan fall 1
Don't get me wrong, Reswpawn out their heart and soul and it is still my favorite game on Xbone hands down, but the campaign was utter shit.

Funny enough, 2's campaign was godly. that time distort mission made me cum buckets, I played it back to back with dishonored 2 and that kind of shit is my favorite thing in the world

Though I guess asking for good campaign is silly. On multiplayer alone, probably one of the best console games out there

>>53898404
Why wouldn't Dark Angels want better marines?

Land Raider or Rhino for my Dark Apostle and Chosen?

How should I equip melee chosen? Chainsword and plasma pistols? Power Swords and Bolt Pistols?

>>53898407
fire hawks

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Revised the list and found a Ravenwing battleforce at a local shop so I can expand it to 2000pts but now I have 2 questions, should I keep both bike teams melta or should I go 1 melta+1flame? should I keep both dev teams dedicated or go 2HB/2LC x2? (So my anti-armor cant be focused down and they'll be deployed near each other anyway) any input is appreciated

>>53898439
can't chainsword chainsword?

>>53898301

Rulebook says Adeptus Mechanicus have Imperial Knights supporting them. Are they used in play?

>>53898438

Wouldn't the Primaris be an issue in theory given their loyalty hasn't been ascertained?

Having one learn of the Dark Angel's secret might be an issue.

>>53898435
Not that, you moron. Duncan says that they're the first legion to get Primaris Marines in the fluff.

>>53898438
They wouldn't want to trust anything Guiltyman gave them, especially with how their whole secret shit works.

>>53898482
Primaris just don't get to enter the Inner Circle. That's it.

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>>53897739

If a unit has "Fly" keyword, but does not give the option of two different M values, does it have to move the given movement value each turn or suffer consequences?

>>53898482
They won't let them into the Deathwing any time soon. Your rank and file guy in green knows jack shit about the chapter's secrets.

>>53898482

The entire Chapter doesn't know, just the Chapter Masters and select few of the Inner Circle. Compartmentalization and all that. Regular rank-and-file Marines are just conditioned to follow the orders of their superiors and can easily be sworn to silence.

>>53898410

Phobos is the tank, God Hammer is the configuration.

>>53898482
Primaris is just a new way of making Marines.

I don't know where people keep getting this meme that Guilliman is taking a bunch of pre-existing Marines and sticking them in another Chapter after they were raised and trained elsewhere. The ones Cawl had on ice are all in G-man's crusade, he's not leaving them behind on other Chapter worlds, he's just delivering the tech and resources to make their own Primaris.

>>53898475
Sure. Just include a Super-heavy Auxiliary Detachment with a Knight.

>>53898475
Yeah, you can take an Imperial Knight as part of an auxiliary Lord of War detachment, though he won't recieve buffs for being near the characters since Knights are of the Knight subfaction and not the Mechanicus subfaction. He won't really need them, though.

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Still don't think you guys appreciate how much these guys change the game for nids

>>53898498

I suppose that's true.

Though how do the Dark Angels handle that bit about Kranon and the Crimson Slaughter blabbing about their secret or taunting them about it?

Do most outside of the Inner Circle believe it to be a lie or something?

Why are Alpha Legion dudes often shown as mutated from Chaos if they never went into the Eye of Terror?

>>53898531
GW is inconsistent and incompetent?

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>>53898053
This stupid as conversion wins my heart.
Behold the Penitent Knight!

>>53898502
It's only for Smite you retard.

>>53898526
with bullets

>>53898531
>Why are Alpha Legion dudes often shown as mutated

They are?

>>53898526
I'm pretty sure they desperately want the Crimson Slaughter dead. Like, the whole warband.

>>53898531
alpha legion have no consistency about what they do, and some of them worship chaos in earnest

>>53898525
They're a decent and viable option, not a total gamechanger.

>>53898526
>Do most outside of the Inner Circle believe it to be a lie or something?
I'm pretty sure all Imperials everywhere immediately assume anything to come out of the mouth of a traitor to be poisonous lies.

>>53898525
What's so good about this?

>>53898531

Some of them can be found in the eye.

Also, worship or the Dark Gods tends to have it's affect on you even if you aren't in the eye.

It's one of the reasons why Mutants aren't exactly rare in abundance in Chaos Cults and uprisings.

>>53898543
>It's only for Smite you retard.
that's the point .. smite is shit when you can only get it off 1 in 3 chance.

>>53898526
Interrogator Chaplains have ingrained mind-wiping/washing codewords like you'd see in secret agent movies or something. Like reverse sleeper agents. In the Legacy of Caliban trilogy, Asmodai uses it on Belial and makes him forget that he was going to kill Cypher against his orders, and instead makes him think that the injury Asmodai sustained was from Cypher trying to kill him and Belial rescuing him, rather than Belial cutting Asmodai's hand off.

I have this weird idea of letting 20 termagants with devourers come with a trygon prime.

I mean, is this viable points wise? That'd be about 370 points for a unit that would probably annihilate infantry squads and give a high priority target.

Thoughts?

Posting in the correct threadctgis time.
How can I make this worthwhile and 1000pts?
Eventually I'll buy more, but this is combining what I have with a couple SC boxes. That means I have a spare archon, but throwing that in means I need to drop equipment etc from elsewhere.

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [49 PL, 956pts] ++

+ HQ [11 PL, 204pts] +

Archon [4 PL, 79pts]: Blaster [15pts], Huskblade [10pts]

Lelith Hesperax [7 PL, 125pts]: Penetrating blade

+ Troops [16 PL, 286pts] +

Kabalite Warriors [5 PL, 94pts]
. 8x Kabalite Warrior [56pts]
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon [27pts]: Dark Lance [20pts]
. Sybarite [11pts]: Power sword [4pts], Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [5 PL, 89pts]
. 8x Kabalite Warrior [56pts]
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon [22pts]: Splinter Cannon [15pts]
. Sybarite [11pts]: Power sword [4pts], Splinter Rifle

Wyches [6 PL, 103pts]
. Hekatrix [9pts]: Hekatarii blade, Splinter pistol
. 6x Wych [54pts]
. Wych with Wych Weapon [14pts]: Shardnet and impaler [5pts]
. Wych with Wych Weapon [13pts]: Razorflails [4pts]
. Wych with Wych Weapon [13pts]: Hydra gauntlets [4pts]

+ Fast Attack [10 PL, 224pts] +

Reavers [5 PL, 105pts]
. Arena Champion [30pts]
. Reaver [30pts]
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models) [45pts]: Blaster [15pts]

Reavers [5 PL, 119pts]
. Arena Champion [34pts]: Power sword [4pts]
. Reaver [30pts]
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models) [55pts]: Heat lance [25pts]

+ Dedicated Transport [12 PL, 242pts] +

Raider [6 PL, 126pts]: Disintegrator cannon [30pts], Shock Prow [1pts]

Raider [6 PL, 116pts]: Dark Lance [20pts], Shock Prow [1pts]

++ Total: [49 PL, 956pts] ++

>>53898525
there's so much shit thats new and improved for Orkz and Nids we've barely cracked the crust

Seriously, both of those armies are gonna be in the top of tourneys and shit mark my words

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>>53897489
New to the hobby. Librarian for my ravenwing army I made. I'm rather happy with the result.

>>53898578
It's a free attempt on a basic infantry unit with no risk of perils you stupid fuck. How many other armies get cheap spammable infantry that can just toss out Smites for free in the psychic phase? 1 in 3 is better than 0 in 0.

>>53898585
What the shit, seriously? That's some spooky ass MK Ultra shit. Never even knew about that.

>>53898603
Thin your fuckin paints dude

>>53898586
I saw something similar suggested in one of the generals recently. I think it could work rather well, since it removes a big weakness of large devilgaunt squads by getting them in range right away, and also giving a really meaty distraction to help protect them.

I do feel like it might be better to go with a smaller number of gaunts with the big guns and give them a few extra meatshields instead though, like say 25 total, 15 with the good guns, 10 baseline.

>>53898586
It's perfectly viable. People keep making the mistake of thinking that paying the points for a Trygon to Deep Strike something is like a tax on top of that infantry unit, but it's not because you still get a fucking Trygon out of it.

>>53898503
No. A movement characteristic with two values is "Min. move - Max. move." A movement characteristic with one value is just "max. move."

>>53898603
T H I C C

Also please, please crop and resize your photos.

>>53898608
it's shit. and a waste of points. not only it only works 1 out of 3 times it's countered with deny the witch well over 70% of the time because the best you can get is a 6.

in effect they might as well not be able to cast shit because if they manage to cast it .. it will get denied.

>>53898603
thin your paints, use shading and edge highlighting. for a newbie it's not terrible but go watch a tutorial

>>53898630
I think its fine, its that he hasn't shaded and its a bad pic

>>53898603
do some hilighting/shading m8. good tabletop quality otherwise

>>53898611
Yeah, I don't have my book on me, but they'll speak a passage from chapter scripture as the code and make them "remember" or "forget" things if necessary.

>>53898653
you can only deny a power if you're near the caster, so that's not necessarily true

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>>53897489
How are Black Templar this edition? I'm torn between Primaris Black Templar, with maybe an attempt at upscaling or converting an Emperor's Champion from manlet to chad scale, or Primaris Lamenters as a /yourdudes/ chapter

>>53898653
Do you even understand how Deny the Witch works in this edition? Several armies literally can never make a Deny attempt ever, and most of them will get to attempt to Deny only 2-3 powers and only if their psykers are in range. They aren't going to waste that shit on your chaff troops, they're going to save it for countering your bigass LoC and Daemon Prince casters.

>>53898671

Yea because eldar won't have warlocks everywhere..

because you would not put al ibrarian near anything i'd want to smite fuck

because you wouldn't put your astropath somwhere to protect that important tank...

shall i keep going?

>>53898670

Does it work on Chapter Serfs too?

>>53898640


Yeah, I really like the Trygon.

People see it as a transport unit whereas it's a fucking giant monster that wipes out enemies with the ability to deep strike with e friendly unit.

I would it even play without its transport ability because I like the model so much.

>>53898586
You lose devourers before you get the chance to use them at 8ppm. It's not a worthy trade proposition for devilgants when they're not backed up with termagant sacrifices. I don't think the prime is worth the HQ slot or points for guiding them. A tervigon always provides options so you don't lose your devilgants.

>>53898691
Fuck off WAACfag.

>>53898542
Fucking stupid. A devout knight household or freeblade would be awesome. This is just dumb.

*telegorks behind u*

nothing personnel ya git

>>53897882
Consider the following though:
_________kys___________

>>53898578
It's kinda like a powerful gun at BS5+.

>>53898710


LOL fucking autist spotted

>>53898308
Missile Launcher, Lascannon, Plasma Cannon and Combi-flamer, yes.

>>53898706
Getting the FW trygon. I look forward to trying it with raveners and maybe a lictor or Red Terror

>>53898053
This makes my pee pee feel things

>>53898699
I think so. Iirc, they're ingrained in you when you begin your chapter education, and most chapter serfs are failed aspirants, iirc.

>>53898734
>Waaah, my 20 point unit can't throw out D3 mortal wounds whenever I like.

>>53898733
>It's kinda like a powerful gun at BS5+.
that is stopped 70% of the time because of a caster psychers can stop it with 2 dice (or flesh hounds.)

>>53898706
Exactly.

The Tyrannocyte on the other hand is a questionable choice unless you have a specific strategy in mind, but it can still be quite good if you know what you're doing with it.

>>53898748
Speaking of flesh hounds, how are khornedogs this edition? I have a box of chaos warhound proxies I got for Christmas waiting to be assembled and painted.

>>53898227
> glorious blood Angel shield and codpiece
Hell yeah
> filthy guard scum on shoulders
Pleb tier

>>53898709
You don't lose anything when they alpha strike out of a trygon tunnel. They will almost always get the initial shot off with the full 20 models, barring something really weird like you decided to deploy them within 12" of a Tau suit with the EWO.

>>53898496
The retconning begins!
> anon what are you talking about? Their have ALWAYS been Primaris space marines!

>>53898709
Trygon Prime is a Heavy Support slot, and there's no shortage of HQ slots in 8th edition anyways.

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What the fuck is this shit, seriously ?

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/left-for-dead-eshort.html

>Bred for war, a Death Korps trooper takes the unthinkable step of embracing peace. But in the 41st Millennium, war follows…

>After the horrors of war and the devastation of a world, one unnamed trooper from the Death Korps of Krieg – vat-born, grown to be a soldier – has had enough. Removing his uniform, he takes the identity of a fallen civilian and joins the workforce on the world he fought to liberate. But can this soldier overcome his conditioning and training and serve the Imperium in a new way, or will he forever be a warrior of the Astra Militarum?

This is shit tier fanfiction level writing that is in teh same level as love and krieg stuff. His previous works were not bad but this is inconcievable.

So, are Imagifiers worth it? 40 points for a half shot at an act of faith every turn. Let's say we use that for fighting. Wouldn't it be more cost effective to just buy a new unit and get twice as much shooting, fighting, and objective control?

>>53898631


Yeah, it might be expensive but it really forces the enemy to kill the trygon and its squad while your other units advance towards the enemy.

Didn't even think of dividing the weapons for the gaunts, seems a good idea as you can choose which die first and if you're going all in you can even try to get a Tervigon near them.

I'd be interested what would be the ideal ratio of devilgaunts to regular ones though and if 20 or 30 is the smarter choice.

Hey, Eldarfags who were around last edition right when your new Codex came out - did you guys notice a sudden influx of new guys on the forums asking you basic fucking questions and getting shit wrong about obvious stuff any Eldarfag should know, while pretending to blend in like they totally weren't new like "what are you talking about bro I always played this faction"? Because it's really especially noticeable as a Tyranid player right now.

>>53898821
He gets a head injury, Anon. It makes him go weird, he ends up back in the Guard.

>>53897762
> exact colors of my local college
Go cowboys?

>>53898737
>using a plasma cannon instead of a plasma gun

Enjoy that -1 to hit, loyalist. If you want to bring combi weapons into the mix, how about Missile Launcher, Autocannon, Plasma Gun, Melta Gun, Combi-flamer. Can your devs do that? How about a rhino with a havoc launcher, combi-bolter, and combi-plasma to ride around or even just hang out with us in while we're at it.

>>53898772
Not sure why I thought you said Tyranid Prime..

Devilgants are pretty much the best unit to send with a trygon prime with stranglethorn warriors a pretty close second, even able to save points using a vanilla trygon being that warriors provide the synapse.

>>53898861
Land Speeders are better.

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IT'S STILL AROUND, BITCHES.

>>53898846
What NAH brah you just paranoid.
Let us continue to talk about how awesome it was when Swarm fleet Kraken totally fucked up the Ultramarines' homeworld.
Also, the Hivelord is awesome! It's about time AMIRITE

>>53898853
The summary makes it seem like one day a krieger just got up and said, fuck this shit i am out and deserted his unit.
If it is a head injury it is plausible, but they really should re-write their summary.
Anyone got a pdf of it if it is good?

>>53898872
Sadly warriors can only take the smaller Barbed Strangler, not the Stranglethorn Cannon, that's the MC version.

But yeah I haven't even thought about using Warriors with a Trygon yet since everyone seemed to immediately jump on the Genestealer/Hormagaunt turn 1 zerg rush hype train.

>>53898709

You deep strike 9" away from the opponent, you're guaranteed to get off all the shots (60 S4, rerolling 1s to wound in case if 20 devilgaunts) in the first turn or later, if you wish.

It is -guaranteed-, that's why this strategy is actually viable and forces the opponent to make a choice in his turn. Either he decimates the termagants + trygon or he gets a face full of devourers

>>53898888
Dies to conscripts though git gud

>>53898853
that sounds pretty okay.
>>53898821
I'd be okay with more Civvie level novels about 40k, though i doubt much more people would. In good old dan abnett novels he's made compelling stories about them.
More to the point I'd love to see a story, (which would likely end as the alpha colony in BNW would end) of Kriegers being allowed to have their Roman style vet pension colony

>>53898373
>>53898404
Uhh. Just because Duncan did a DA tutorial second doesn't mean they were second to receive them in the fluff.

>>53898227
It looks like a redneck van covered in murals

Hey guys, lifelong Tyranids fan here. Never jumped in before but I finally feel like it is time.

I can't wait to field my hornagaunts with their sleek alien guns.
I was also thinking of going big with Carnifrex hordes with One Old Eye. The way we all totally picture Tyranids zooming around like Scatbikes and tearing things up like Scatbikes amirite. Hated those Scatbikes let me tell you.

>>53898759


That said, what is even the tyrannocytes niche?

Why would one take it over a trygon which is sn "actual" unit and a threat to the opponent?

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Just stumbled across reasonable conversions using GW parts-my FLGS wouldn't mind as they aren't "officialy" a GW store and the regulars are chill, but how would your local autists respond?

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?29192-StuG-Russ-Conversion-Guide!-(pic-heavy)-CLOSED

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?14209-The-Imperial-Guard-Tread-head-thread&p=7661724&viewfull=1#post7661724

>>53898919
It can deliver things other than troops.

>>53898378
>when your entire chapter has sparkling suits of Mk IV but you're stuck with Mk V and a bionic arm

>>53898898
The genestealer slingshot is pretty much a staple for any Tyranid list, the fact that Hive Commander can be used every turn is nuts. Second turn could be gaunt rush.

>>53898578
I lost 12 models of power armor to them in my last game against 3 units of horrors, despite making my first successful shield of faith deny the witch roll this edition. They also absorbed my charges and stalled long enough with 4++ and -1 to hit rolls for HQs/elites to smite everything to death. It hurt.

Remember 1 in 3 chance to land is higher than quite a few weapon hit/wound/gets past save chances. A 3+ BS with a 3+ to wound against 5+ armor is less than 1/3rd. And you still have 18" assault 2 lasguns and a 4++.

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>>53898923
Are there places where people are actually bothered by small conversions/proxies?

I play regularly with dudes that go to all the ATC and big 40k events around the USA, and all of them tell me I could totally field all my ork shit, half of which is proxy/conversion shit

Good example is my knight here, I field it as a Gorkanaut on the regular, nobody gives a fuck

>>53898923
Fuck the autists, those are great. I've been trying to find spare wheels and track guards to do that conversion, but not so much luck

>>53898941
Like a haruspex

>>53898941


Facepalm.

Yeah, obviously my mind didn't think of that

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New lore for the XE-NOS.

Starting with the Tau.

According to the new 8th ED lore, The Tau are unafraid of all the stuff that's going on. They expanding more than ever and have conquered a vast swath of the galaxy. However, they are meeting greater resistance from the Imperium, Orks, Tyranids, and many more enemies. However, a new enemy comes for the Tau from the darkness of space. An enemy of infinite malice and hate. This new enemy looks hungrily on the shining prosperous Tau worlds. He will come for them soon....

WHO IS THAT ENEMY, TEEGEE?

>>53898919
It has a couple options. It can drop Swarmlord, a Tervigon, Pyrovores (yes really, and unlike most units they can shoot from deep strike because they have 10" flamers), a Haruspex maybe although I'm not convinced he's viable yet. Also loading it up with 5 barbed stranglers makes it expensive but it's a lot of dakka and you realize it's actually pretty efficient when you look at the warrior tax required to run 5 stranglers on them.

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>>53898997
>>53898997
shit that's my wip pic

here's the "finished" thing, I still need to add stencils and shit, but I'm lazy

>>53899024
Whatever the Tyranids are running away from.

>>53898917
You joke but I'm seeing posts that literally feel like this. I can smell the bandwagon on them.

I saw someone ask what weapon loadout a Tyrannofex was. As in he thought it was a Carnifex variant.

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>>53898227

>>53898917
What up fellow tyranid player!
Boy I can't wait to run a lot of exocrines and Hive Guard! Nothing like sitting back and just blasting everything to pieces! You don't even need line of sight!
WAYYY cooler than riptides. God it was so lame how guys use to just bring a riptide wing and shoot the other army off the table.... I really hated that. A lot

>>53899024
Aren't they next door to some Necrons?

>>53899053
>mfw I realize the guys posting nid lists that spam multiple units of Hive Guard are definitely the taufag switchers
Oh god it all makes sense. Now I suddenly understand why their battle reports sound so scrubby and they get so salty when they lose, compared to the real nidfags who generally play really well and are hyped about how good nids are now even if they lose.

Tyranids are up.

According to their 8th ED, LEVIATHAN IS DEFEATED. Hive Fleet Leviathan met its defeat at the Baal system with its ground forces crushed by the Imperials and the majority of its ships being sucked into the Warp by the Great Rift. Apart from some remaining tendrils, this is the end of Hive Fleet Leviathan.

Hive Fleet Hydra now takes Leviathan's place as the most threatening Hive Fleet. Though, the fleet is acting strangely. Hydra is ignoring bio-rich worlds to seek out and consume the splinters and tendrils of past fleets, starting with Leviathan.

But for what purpose?

>>53899024
Nothing that will matter since tau will handily beat it like they do everything else.

>>53899053
>Comparing anything in the Tyranid army to riptides
Just no

>>53899046
Oh get fucked you loser.
Like you aren't drooling at the fucking mouth to be able to screech at your FLGS how you are an OG tyranid player BEFORE THEY WERE KEWL, everyone else is BANDWAGON HIPSTER WAAC...
Christ. As soon as you loser nerds get a chance to be ahead of the curve, even by blind chance, your cringe-worthy behavior immediately squanders it.

>>53898709
I feel better seeing all the talk about 'Nids and how flexible they've become.

4 attacks is pitiful for a warboss

>>53899098
t. butthurt ex-blueberry bandwagon WAACfag mad my 2nd edition metal nid army rapes him in the mirror match-up cuz his newfag ass has no idea how to play my faction

>>53897928
Easily demolished by hordes/heavy weapon spam.

>>53899076
>Tyranids fuck off and go eat other nids
Lame

>>53898821
>Every member of every faction is a caricature of that faction.

No, fuck you. There are millions of these guys. It's totally fine for one of them to be a little different, and for the author to use that as an excuse to explore 40k civilian life and the nature of the Death Korps.

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>>53897489

This seems obvious but I'll ask anyway.

When a Sternguard replaces his bolter with a combi-weapon, the bolter becomes a normal bolter doesn't it? Not a special issue combi-weapon with the -1AP.

>>53899051
Holy shit.
Also, did they model that off Daniel Craig?

>>53899046
>>53899053

Where is the grav cannon for Tyranids at?
Just wondering

>>53899113
Thank you for proving my point.
And by the way, the 2nd ed Nids looked fucking horrific. The 5th ed on looked pretty good though.

>>53899142
I got a Putin vibe off him personally.

>>53899051
Is this model size or bigger?

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>>53897489

>>53899076
>But for what purpose?
It's collating the adaptations and assimilated genetics? This is old nid lore.

I think it's fucking awesome they're giving the spotlight to Hydra, though, I wonder if he's back in regular contact with Phil Kelly.

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NEC-RONS time.

Imotekh's plans of galactic conquest did not skip a beat even with the Great Rift ripping the galaxy in half. Imotekh's new focus is the Absorption Wars. They are wars waged by his dynasty on Tomb Worlds that have been awakened by the emergence of the Great Rift. The Sautekh will use the weakened state of these newly awakened Tomb Worlds to absorb them before they fully awaken, to add their strength to their ever growing dynasty.

Other than that, nothing new about the Necrons. Boring as ever.

>>53899024
Chaos cares about Tau finally
Farsight redeemed subsequently

>>53899076

Presumably to absorb the genetic information that Leviathan gained shortly before it's destruction.

With that information, the Hive Mind will likely go on to craft a more threatening series of Tyranid organisms to better aid in it's eventual consumption of the Galaxy's myriad races.

Similar to how Leviathan attempted to absorb remnants of Kraken on Valedor before the Eldar forsaw the plan and put a halt to it by destroying the world and preventing Kraken's genetic information and findings from ever reaching Leviathan's Bioships.

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>>53899051

> 5 service studs
> Half a millennium of service
> Seen his entire chapter wiped out on Rynn's world.

>>53899170
Damn, you work fast. I remember seeing your kitbash idea in /wip/ two weeks ago.

Pdf of GW chaos index anyone?

>>53899159
>the 2nd ed Nids looked fucking horrific
That's the point you imbecile. The metal lictor and hormagaunt are some of the best models GW ever made.

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>>53899098
Taufag detected

>>53899176
>>53899076
>>53899024
So every faction falls into civil war except Tau because...

>>53899076
Probably just an excuse to let tyranid players have lore friendly battles against each other.

But here goes: There is more than one hive mind. The swarm that we original saw was just one hive mind running from another. Outside the galaxy is a millennia old constant battle between two hive minds, the first one eating up as much biomass as possible to fuel their delaying actions against the second. Hive Fleet Hydra is a tendril of the second hive fleet that broke through.

>>53899168
Much bigger

>>53899190
> hurr durr dey soo bad dey gud!!1!
Literally kys.

>>53899024

What happened to all of those Ork Empires that surrounded Tau space like Aslanta?

The map of Tau space in recent times seems to indicate a strong Necron presence.

>>53899176
Where are these coming from?

>>53899198
The Imperium's doing fine all things considered.

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Alright /tg/ what else does my list need? I'm aiming for 2k and will be playing craftworlds/ynnari exclusively.

>>53899221
Index Xenos books and the 8th ED rulebook.

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>>53899099

Me too, anon.

I didn't play a single game since 5th but followed the news. I'm painting up mybnew tyranid army and I couldn't be happier

>>53899176
>Necrons do nothing but fuck around and civil war for some reason

Couldn't even be bothered to take advantage of the rift. Lame.

>>53898603
What's he driving the bike with? His dick?

>>53899228
>Chaos.

>>53899212
>bad
>having taste this shit
>being this angry he has to play bugs now instead of weeaboo mecha to be competitive

>>53899024
>Malice and hate
>looks hungrily on the shining prosperous T'au worlds

IS THAT MY DUDE VECT!?

>>53899276
Is so separate from humanity at this point that they might as well not even be a part of it. It's been ten thousand years, it's not a civil war at this point.

Is Inquisitor Karamazov any good?

>>53899286
Please be Vect I would love to have a campaign crushing those blue skinned commies.

So GW is really desperate to sweep away the wars of old to set up more Chaos vs. Imperium fun

In 8th Edition Rulebook:

-Hive Fleet Leviathan is destroyed at Baal, mainly by Daemons
-Armageddon is invaded by Daemons and Orks/Humans unite to stop them. Not many (if at all) Orks left after the battle
-New Tyranid hive fleets are starting to eat older Tyranid fleets for an unknown reason

By 10th edition I doubt we'll have xenos anymore.

>>53899108
4 attacks is respectable, same as most hqs and harlequin players. orks aren't known for fighting fast with lots of attacks

>>53899266
More like the Rift didn't even register as a significant event for them.

How cucked can Chaos even be at this point.

>>53898677
Since Force Organization is no longer a thing Black Templars aren't a specific force anymore they are just random units you can field that have slightly different rules from the regular Marine units.

>>53899301
Probably not for his cost.

AND THEY TOOK HIS SACRIFICIAL SPACE LASER! THE BASTARDS!

>>53899295
>Renegade Guard.

>>53899306
>-New Tyranid hive fleets are starting to eat older Tyranid fleets for an unknown reason
>unknown
>he thinks they haven't been doing this since 4th edition
>he thinks it's bad for Tyranids in any way

>>53899246
I may pick up some nids after I get my ass whipped a couple of times first. I'm expecting my first day with 8e rules to involve getting my dick knocked in the dirt a few times.

>>53899306
>eldar created a new god
>necrons kidnapped Creed
>"waaah no new xenos lore"

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>>53899295
WE WILL TEAR YOUR IMPERIUM APART BRICK BY BRICK

>>53899286

>New enemy
Deldar ain't unfamiliar to Tau

>>53899306
>Orks/Humans unite
wut?

>>53899307
Yeah, but now that power klaws are garbage, the warboss is a whole fucking lot worse in combat

>>53899340
Armaggeddon got invaded by a fuckton of Demons. Even the orks realized it could be bad if they didn't do something so they made a temporary alliance with the Imperium.

>>53899323
The only major factions of which either rebelled ten thousand years ago (spire guard) or were never part of the Imperium to begin with (Blood Pact).

>>53899024
>>53899286
I'm pretty sure the new enemy is straight up new, GW said 100% confirmed we're getting never before seen Factions in 8th edition and there have been rumours of Hrud showing up around the end of this year.

>>53898821
does anyone have a link to the short story. Is there one in a previous thread.

>>53899076
Sanguinius is going to be Sara Kerrigen'd.

>>53899306
>not many orks left

Well shit, there goes the theories that we were getting an update to the Orks range with new PRIMARIS'D-scale Orks.

>>53899363
I hope GW shows sense with the Hrud.

>>53899338
>wearing a chainmail hood in M42
What a fucking memester.

non-Cult legions will never get new models

>>53899340
Fighting demons is not very fun. So team up to get rid of boring stuff and have a proper fight with proper enemies.

In other words chaos is just annoyance for the non NPC armies

>>53898677
They have some good characters and I like the Crusader squad more than Tac Squads. They're probably the best chapter at the moment after the big four. Hard to say how the codexes will change things though.

>>53899363
I'd be fine with either Hrud, Rak'gol, or even the Khrave.

>>53899392
Rak'gol are on the opposite side of the galaxy.

>>53899381
How so?

>>53898677
I've heard good things, and the Empy's Champ is a fuckin monster when fighting characters.

>>53899185

Anyone?

>>53899363
The Tau have fought and driven off the Hrud before.

>>53898572
Try reading. It makes gunlines for nids REALLY good.

>>53899306
>yfw Orks would have won if Ghazzy hadn't redeployed to Octarius to deal with Leviathan
>yfw Kryptman's Gambit saved the Imperium in more ways than one

I'd like to see the Rak'gol on the table. I see them as batshit insane Admech but aliens. The Hrud seem like they'd need a lot of special rules to keep them balanced, or expensive as shit points wise.

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>>53899388
S-STAHP, ONE DAY CSM WILL GET MODELS AND IRON WARRIORS WILL GET MODELS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR THEM AS AGNOSTIC CHAOS MARINES THAT ARENT COVERED IN SPIKES AND STUPID LOOKING RUNES BUT STILL LOOK EVIL

>>53899413
That might end up being retconned and they'll recycle the fluff for this "new" encounter when the Hrud Codex comes out.

>>53899399
Well of those 3 only the Hrud have FTL travel that ignores the warp or least is not that bother with the warp.

Also fuck GW for removing non warp FTL travel from the setting. Everything being chaos and/or everything being the C'tan is bad and lame writing

So how are people doing forgeworld stuff in the roster builder? I'm not seeing any of them in there and want to make a list in there.

Hey I want to strip a BUNCH of models. What stuff do you guys use to strip? I've been having limited success with Simple Green (takes fucking forever).

>>53899413
When have the Tau ever fought the Hrud?

>>53899363
Source: your ass.

>>53899448
>Also fuck GW for removing non warp FTL travel from the setting.
Funnily enough they actually added it in for Tyranids who used to use Warp FTL no problem

Holy shit the gsc Psyker is annoying as balls. Every time I tried to debuff a unit it got to make a free Deny The Witch, wtf

>>53899378
Nigger do you know how this works

The orks that are left will be fucking huge

>>53899413
You can't really drive off the Hrud at least not with the current fluff.
They just say "whybother.jpg" and leave.
Tau being mentally retard think this is a victory

>>53899166
Profile I got a strong Putin, but the last fully painted face, and the green-stuffed one I got Daniel Craig.

>>53899455
The rumour sources saying Hrud could be total bullshit but GW saying we will see brand new Factions is right on the 8th edition FAQ

>>53899024
What is this from? I just looked through the 8th Edition Rulebook and couldn't find it

>>53899474
Where?

>>53899465
Our Faith is stronger than yours. We have qt camsluts that play our dudes.

I'm wanting to carry 5 cataphractii, a chaplain, and an apothecary in a transport. Do I go for land raider crusader or a stormraven?

Crusader is tougher and can carry more, so my chaplain can be in terminator armor.

Storm raven is cheaper, faster, has more guns, hard to hit, and although I'd have to have my chaplain be power armored it can also carry a dreadnought into the fight.

>>53899176
Would it be untoward for my Dynasty's current fluff to be recreating the anti-chaos pylons? They'd be trying to purge entire planets of life to make room for themselves to work (Can't make an anti-chaos pylon with Warp-existent creatures around, after all) and closed-lipped about what they're doing, but trying to push chaos back.

>>53899466
Ah yeah wait you're right. And that actually gives them an excuse to crunch them similarly to Primaris Marines--smaller unit sizes with bigger dudes.

I assume they'll be similar in size and appearance to the Ironjawz. The Orruk design is so different from old Ork design, especially the face, and I'd like to see what they can come up with.

>>53899454
Second Sphere Expansion (source 6th ED codex). The Tau asked the Hrud tribes in neighbouring space to join their empire. The Hrud refused so the Tau kicked them out and took over.

>>53899483
It's in the actual indexes. Real small blurbs before the rules.

>>53899457
Necron had Non FTL travel by making the real space its bitch now they have hacked webway and slow ships?

Nids had warp travel that was safe by the shadow in the warp, no they have gravity cute hugging bugs.

Did the Imperium lost its slow travel by computer too? Or GW forgot those existed?

>>53899430
That art you posted has 15 spikes (if you don't count sharp studs) and 2 gigantic tusks. The IW dress like edgy retards like the rest of the CSM.

it's not going to happen. Perturabo will never get a model

>>53899079
Unless they've tagged someone they want to promote, and have realised they've hit Worf Effect with nids.

"These guys do great and never lose, but now look!"

>>53899483
Index Xenos.

>>53899493
Nah, go ahead.

>>53899490
Take a Chaplain Dreadnought.

>>53899521
> Index Xenos is out
TELL ME ABOUT THE TESSERACT ARK YOU LITTLE SHITTER.

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>>53899517

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>>53899306
>Armageddon is invaded by Daemons and Orks/Humans unite to stop them. Not many (if at all) Orks left after the battle

But thats all bullshit

here is the actual passage

>>53899517
He already has one.

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So I'm thinking the Goliath model would make a good counts as Repressor.

Screencap this post: the new faction (or at least one of them) will be Skaven. They've already contacted the Eldar in the AOS fluff and are constantly warping in-between realms--it's only a matter of time before their great rat city sinks into the warp and is spit out of the Eye of Terror.

Dudes, what the fuck? I was looking through the Adeptus Astartes FW book and SHADOW CAPTAIN KORVYDAE WASN'T THERE WHERE THE FUCK IS HIM

>>53899484
I'm having a hard time finding it now that the new edition is out and they took down all the quick links to the FAQ articles and shit they were running at the start of the preview season throughout last month. Let me see if I can find it.

>>53899519
So nids are Worf
Tau are anime protagonist
Chaos liberal art students

>>53899545
>They've already contacted the Eldar in the AOS fluff
Wait what

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>>53899467
>w-we're only leaving because we w-want to
>you guys can have this planet we didn't even like it anyway

>>53899545
Ooh! And will Sigmarines be chasing them too? Might as well throw in Nagash.