/40kg/ Warhammer 40k General

So uh, anybody wanna take a screen grab of the Sisters of Battle Repressor tank in the damn Forgeworld book. I ain't buying a whole book for one god damn tank. But I have one, and want the new rules for it.

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Did anybody say 'Suffer Not The Alien to Live' ?

100 Power list

inb4 some autistic manchild doesn't know the difference between FACTS and OPINIONS

>>53893427
The rules for everything except marines will be released on the 23rd

>>53893427
Go into the previous thread or the archives and you can grab the Imperium forgeworld pdf.

>>53893429
How do you get chainswords on the attack bike? I don't see an option anywhere for them to take swords.

>>53893450
Nice looks good.

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>>53893396

>mfw the rulebook removed the cool timeline features showing off dozens of battles for a focus on several warzones/campaigns which are already resolved by the end of their dedicated section

cool moving storyline guise...

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>>53893450
>power

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After ordering "Warhammer 40,000: 8th Edition The Rules", "Index: Imperium 1", and "Index: Xenos 2", I learned one thing; I fucking hate FedEx.

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>>53893427

>>53893450
I'm jealous of elite armies sometimes. I spent so much on my Guard/Scions/Inquisition/Ministorum pieces. So many conversions and cheap ass models to fill in the points.

It would be nice to have like 20 models and some tanks and play at 2k points.

>>53893456

inb4 some autistic manchild declares himself the authority on trannies

>>53893491

Well clocks out at 2600 points, so defentely better on power

>>53893396
Death Korps twofingered horses of deadly death are coming

>>53893458
>https://mega.nz/#F!ToIUlLiR!o91HYGSY9WBNpei5P_2bTw

Thanks, didn't know it was already uploaded to the OP mega directory.

Daily reminder: taking anything other than the Eviscerator on your canoness means you're a chump. >>53893505

>>53893513
So hyped. So ready to use my rough riders as count as death riders.

>>53893504
Start a grey knight/ nidzilla/ tau suit list. Easy to start

>>53893522
Fuck. Why are they starting with Chaos and Space Marines...

>>53893496
Fuck. That thing is fucking awesome.

>>53893553
I would but I got a lot of work ahead of me. I just built a bunch of death cults, crusaders and rough riders from fantasy/sigmar models. They are my feral world recruitments.

>>53893567
>why are they starting with their most popular and best selling items

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>>53893567
>Why are they starting with Chaos and Space Marines...

Can't wait to see how good the Tantalus is going to be! No hype for the Reaper with it being haywire but surely the Tantalus will be good!

>>53893567
>why does a company start with their best selling products???

Ork starter set when?

>>53893548

>Evicerator is 22 points
>Maul is 4

The Evicerator is a 40% damage boost for a 550% cost increase.

>>53893450
you can't give the frag cannon guys chainswords

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>>53893621
>90 snapfit boyz and a multipart Warboss

I am ready!

Decent IG Starter Set when?

>>53893623
Maul is the best thing ever to give S3 and T3 models. It's so cheap. I'm loading up on all the models I can with them. Especially Acolytes. I need good Maul models though. Any ideas?

>>53893512
This is exactly why power level is shit though

>>53893680
I'd say it's good now, but it's not only because of the Leman. If it came with the Demolisher kit for the Lemans, it would be perfect. But it comes with all the shit variants.

in 8th can you move your models vertically in the air? can you climb and obstacle and stop mid-way? do you have to spend 1/2-1" of movement to climb up a barricade when crossing it and another 1/2-1" when landing on the ground level?

not trying to rules or waacfag here but this is important to me

>>53893680
With greatcoat guard anon. Believe in the Emperor!

>>53893621
Only primaris marines and deathguard get a starter set.

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>>53893621
>>53893656

>people don't remember AoBR

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>>53893685
What if I like power axes as well?
It is fine, the strength isn't too low right?

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I want to field Typhus for my DG since he is better than a regular Lord of Corruption, but his mini didn't age very well and I was wondering if I could convert him from a LoC mini since they are really similar looking and I allready have a LoC anyway.

I don't know how to recreat his exhaust pipes on his back tho. Any ideas ? Also, what the best scythe I can lay my hands on to replace the big axe ? Pic related, what I have in mind.

>>53893548
>Not taking a storm bolter and keeping your standard bolted for 6 shots at close range

m8

>>53893623
It's still more efficient at pure killing though. And on a character that isn't going to ever die, it's a wise investment.

>>53893734
too low for vehicles but you're better against marines (on S3 models that is)

>>53893730
Was that 5th edition?
Old news grandpa.

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Played Ynnari Harlequins vs Tau. Probably on of the best games of 40k I have ever played. Harlequins are no longer auto-lose to Tau and Tau is still strong but more balanced internally and externally.

>>53893730
I remember Black Reach. I'm trying to find more boyz from there right now.

Are dreadnoughts decent this edition or do they still spontaneously combust on the first turn?

>>53893772
Fuck yeah glad to hear it bro

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>>53893396
Gentlemen, I found something interesting today.

To sum up this chart, Boneswords and Lashbones just went from good but pricey, to absolutely terrible.

For 41 points, I can get the best CC weapons for my Tyrant.

For free, I can get the second best.

If I'm a pillow humping retard, I can get Boneswords for 6 points less than the Scytals.

If I'm somehow dumber than that and want to save 10 points, I can take Lashbones, the worst weapons for Tyrants.

Am I right, or am I just missing something? I really hope I'm just missing something.

>>53893456
yeah like that fucking retard from last thread who didn't get that power level is factually worse than points and wouldn't stop sperging about it when it was pointed out to him by multiple people

>>53893742
For the scythe, just snip off the lower part of the axe and place it sideways where the top part is.

4 days till xenos get titans too
Each one will probably have its own role reflective of its faction
But we know which will be the shootiest and which will charge knights

>>53893734
Those are fine too. S4 -2AP is solid. I just like being able to boop T8 things on 5+.

>>53893780
I think you're missing the fact that Lash Whips come with an extra special rule that's utility focused rather than damage.

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>>53893396
threadly reminder that power levels are objectively worse than points, and you should feel ashamed of yourself if you're considering using PL

>>53893778
They're good man, Dreads feel great now. You can't just march them raw at a million anti-tank weapons of course but they stand up great to just about everything. Check this comparison video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9_Hfo5vlVU&t=519s

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>>53893742
just buy the fw hh variant
it means you don't cut up your lord of contagion aswell and he's quite useful if only to fill an hq slot

>>53893772
Im curious to hear how the game went. What did the Tau use, and how did it go?

Guilliman and Bjorn chatting about the good ole days when?

Question: The combat drug Serpentin says "Serpentin: +1 Weapon Skill (i.e. WS 3+ becomes WS 2+)"

Because it says i.e. rather than e.g. can I argue that unless something has WS 3+ it can't benefit from this drug? :P

>>53893656

Yeah, just a typo

>>53893808
I noted that, but it still underperforms. Besides, that rule will come into play a minority of the time, as your Tyrant will either be shot to death or attack first in combat due to charge then die anyways.

>>53893841
You can always argue things. But you would be incorrect.

>>53893813
The problem with it is that every weapon Tau have either put out a shitload of shots or is an anti tank weapon.

>>53893809
As IG I feel like Power is not balanced. I can take a Scion Squad with 4 Plasma, that deeps strikes in rapid and hits on 3s for 3 points. I can take Vets with Flamers and Lascanons in Chimera with heavy flamer for 11. I've been rolling people at my lgs with just free special weapons on my undercosted units because people don't want to play points yet.

>>53893841
kys

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>people rightly complain about how 7th was shit because it had formations that gave hundreds of points of free shit
>GW fixes the problems in 8th by removing formations and even making you pay for summoning so no one can get free points anymore
>almost everyone cheers this as a good move
>some retards then decide to play power levels, where some armies end up with literally hundreds of points of free shit
Explain this.

>>53893750
>T3 3+/4++ 5W
>never going to die

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>>53893742
This is a very easy conversion to do.

Start by getting a hold of this Scythe from the Warhammer/AoS Putrid Blightkings.

The pipes could be made from cutting plastic tube at an angle and adding some greenstuff to the bottom so it looks like they are growing from the armor.

>>53893841

Don't you try and spergy RAW bullshit fuck dark eldar you filthy shit face.

>>53893623
This would be a reasonable argument if we were taking about the best weapons for all the 2A Superiors in your army. But we are talking about a 4A Canoness.

>>53893841
Have you considered
KYS

>>53893867
lol you fucking retard just about every single weapon in the game either puts out a lot of shots or is an anti tank weapon

>>53893893
Because I've played 3 games set up for power levels and had a great time in every single one.

>>53893781
>factually

Here we go again

I remember that GW mentioned about using Custodes as HQs or something like that before 8E came out. What or where are the rules for it?

>>53893772
>I mopped the floor with the cucked army that means it's good

>>53893841
>i.e.
should have used "e.g."

too bad they don't have fancy admin staff at their office to fix all these dumb mistakes, e.g., every professional office that drafts official language for anything anywhere.

to answer your question, yes you can argue that. RAW the only time it applies is then you take a WS 3+ unit to WS 2+ using the drugs.

>>53893899
>character than can restore wounds on a roll of 2+ when you want to.
>ever dying

>>53893913
That's because the whole edition is better, not because power levels, stop justifying idiocy with fallacious arguments.

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>>53893396

Thoughts on how to bump this up to 1,500? Also ways to make it battle-forged?

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>>53893685

>>53893945
Uh man anything better than a cultist is going to do 5 wounds to this in one fight phase.

>>53893945
>talking game on her melee
>using AoF for healing

Hrm

>>53893893
>2 armies (space marines and admech) can have loads of points of free shit
>unbalanced

>every single army can have loads of points of free shit
>balanced

Do you see? Also, remember that power levels have been set in the expectation that people will take lots of upgrades, which is why (for example) a space marine scout squad costs more than a tactical squad under that system.

>>53893957
Need more HQs to make it battle-forged I'd say

>>53893945
T3 4++ with 5 Wounds will get utterly raped to death in one round of combat against almost anything in my army before it gets a chance to restore wounds. The fuck shit tier lists are you playing against?

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>>53893809

>>53893986

Thats my problem. The Archon with a blaster hits 74 points and just dumping him with some kabalites seems mad expensive.

>>53893961
That's a good model, but I meant for other people like sergeants in infantry squads and acolytes and shit like that. I guess I could look into a Skitarii kit. The one where they have those beat stick shock weapons.

>>53893957
+1 HQ +1 flyer and you get an air wing + battalion
Drop some reavers if necessary

>>53893893
Power levels are for the kinds of people who wouldn't game in an extra 500~ points with formations in the first place, and are perfectly adequate in that respect.

>>53894030
havent they rangebanned this faggot yet

>>53894010

Trueborn are elites, don't count for troop cap no?
Batallion is 3-6 troops right?

>>53893985
If you want both sides to get loads more points equivalent to where they are balanced against each other you just raise the fucking points cap you fucking retard, you don't play a system that hides the actual point differential so that one side still ends up several hundred points above the other because they happen to have the better, more expensive upgrades on the particular units they chose that day.

>>53893985
No they aren't. Upgrades aren't even a thing with powerlevels.
You can get more dudes, but you can't equip them.

>>53893841
These are shitty half rules by GW's standard, and even their best written rules can't be taken RAW. Your opponent will literally stab you if you try this.

Can someone spoon feed me why Mandrakes are good for Drukhari?

What I see:
2 shot bolter profile shooting (meh)
10 man squad will on average do 2 mortal wounds per round of shooting (meh)
3 S4 attacks per man (meh)
5++ and -1 to hit (amazing)
Deepstrike (amazing)
19 points a man (MEH)

>>53893992
You don't understand, I don't care if people want to use the worse system, it doesn't effect my game. I am providing information for people who don't have the facts necessary to understand that power level is objectively worse.
You can do with it what you will, of course, but if you use Power Level, you are, in fact, using a worse system. The way you're taking it so personally speaks volumes about your childishness. Don't you want people to make an informed decision?

>>53893570
why?

>>53893714
You have to count any vertical mvmt up an down rocks, barrels, etc.

We basically always house rule terrain to be area terrain - either 4+ or 5+ and you can always see out of buildings/woods even if there's a wall.

Now with 8th I'm not sure if it's best to try out the RAW stuff again since they made the infantry terrain / ruins buffs, or keep it simple. I like simple.

>>53893961
Cute, she's trying to imitate Sly Marbo.

>>53894048
you seem a little mad

>>53894048
He will hopefuly colapse and die any minute now.

>>53894088
>>53894048
>>53894030
What's wrong with trannies of battle? I like that lore better than women doing things.

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>>53893945
>spending faith restoring 1-3 wounds on a T3 model
>not taking an extra shooting/movement phase

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Kitbash Primaris Dreadnought y/n?

>>53893730
I remember nigger that's why I'm asking for a new one

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>>53893685
Skitarii Arc-Mauls are awesome.

>>53894014
>Power levels are for the kinds of people who wouldn't game in an extra 500~ points with formations in the first place
Funny because that's the exact opposite of what I'm seeing so far. The people pushing power level tend to be the power gamers (fitting) who figured out how to squeeze way more points out of this system while knowing their opponents who are new to the game aren't going to catch on for awhile. The system is absolutely rife for abuse, while points takes about 5 more minutes to calculate and was done with a high degree of precision and care and will continue to be modified over time to keep the game as balanced as possible.

>>53894100
It's about fucking time transpeople got some fucking representation in this bigoted hobby

>>53894071
>I don't care if people want to use the worse system
>let me write an entire paragraph about this but i totally dont care
>im going to spend this entire thread arguing with people about it
>i dont care guys, really!!!

>>53894126
What kit does that come in? Wednesday I will go into the store and get some.

Thanks for the tip btw.

>>53894074
Actual firing ports. That's is otherwise limited to the troop carrier super-heavy tanks and open topped vehicles. Plus the dozer blade is neat.

>>53894054
And you call power level players retarded?

>>53894129
cool story bro

>>53894129
Probably you have to know, who will you play power levels (normal people, they exist in the hobby) and who points (powergaming assholes)

>>53893957
Make the kabalites trueborn, stick an Archon blaster with them, give your Archon a blaster, and drop models from the raider as needed. You'd have 6 blasters in that boat, plus potentially 2 splinter cannons if you have the points. Then you'd also have 4 command points.

>>53894118
N. Just wait. There aren't even rules yet.

>>53894118
I'd at least wait for the rules for it. If nothing else so you know which gun you want.

>>53894153
Not to their face or their caretaker would sue.

>>53893951
So fun is fallacious?

>>53894150
its from the skitarii ranger/vanguard kit but there is only one inside the kit so maybe if you need more of them, order them from a website that sells individual bits

>>53893779
So far 8th has been a lot better than 7th just in terms of rules.
>>53893818
Tau army was
Fireblade with 2x5 firewarriors in a devilfish
2x3crisis suits with 3plasma and 2 drones each
2 broadsides
1 riptide

ynnari was
Yvraine, solitaire and shadowseer
2 troupe master + 5 player with fusion and embrace in starweavers
5players with caress
2 skyweavers
10 players on foot with minimal weapons.

Taking turns deploying is great. Tau player put devil fish on one side and I counter deployed with a starweaver. She then put the rest of her army on the other side of the table forcing me to also place on that side.

She had much less units so she got to go first. Turn 1 crisis suits went down and tried to kill my starweaver. He had one set of crisis suits at the table edge and the other in the center of the table. They took out the starweaver but not the troups and I was able to soulburst out of range from the second unit of crisis suits.

On my turn I blitz'd my solitaire planning to words of the phoenix he into next week. Words failed even though it only needed a 5 and I rolled. My starweaver moved up to shot the crisis suits in the middle. Fusion gun went into the crisis suits looking to do D6 damage but the drones tanked the shots. I charged the crisis suits on the far corner.

The suits in the middle were a mother fucking Kauyon, a trap so the rest of the army could bear down on my starweaver. Crisis suits can now leave combat and still shoot leaving my harlies exposed. I was able to soulburst from the dying starweaver into LOS blocking cover.

On my turn I cleaned up the crisis suits but was left in the middle of the table. My solitaire charged a broadside but wasn't able to kill the 6 wound 2+ save beast.

Units not being locked in combat is a huge buff for tau as he was just able to walk away from things like my solitaire and then start shooting at it with the rest of his arm.

>>53894184
Fun is subjective, so yes it is fallacious.

>>53894074
Imagine 4 heavy flamer girls and combi-flamer girl inside a Repressor with a heavy flamer.

>>53894135
I care about informing people that power level is factually worse than points.
I don't care what people choose to do with that information.

>>53894129
>Funny because that's the exact opposite of what I'm seeing so far
would it have helped you understand my point if changed it to

>Power levels are INTENDED for the kinds of...

Of course power gamers have figured out how to leverage an advantage from it. That's what they do.

>>53894118
I can't wait for this stupid looking thing to be the next Riptide and be grossly undercosted for a retarded amount of survivability and firepower and Primaris players who take 5 of them to claim they're just winning because of skill.

You just know it's going to happen.

>>53894185
Oh shit, okay. Yeah definitely will need ebay for that.

>>53894129
>im surrounded by power gamers
>power levels must be bad because a bunch of autists are trying to break the system that's not intended for tournament play!

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>>53893957

5 minutes in battlescribe hope you like xoxo

>>53894184
No the argument is fallacious because you're claiming it was a result of using power level. You would have had the same or more fun using points.

>>53893496
Great, where can I buy one?

If I have an Succubus standing outside of a unit of embarked wyches, do the guys embarked get to reroll 1s when shooting their pistols?

>>53894220
If the system is more abusable then it's the worse system. It offers literally no advantages over points, it doesn't make for better games, it doesn't even make listbuilding more than a few minutes faster.

>>53894246

Negative. Models in transports do not count as being on the board for the purposes of auras

>>53894246
No, because the reroll is only in the fight phase.

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Thoughts?

>>53893893
power levels are supposed for quick to prepare friendly, waacfag free games.

>>53894261
It's good for putting together a WYSIWYG game

>>53894261
>it doesn't even make listbuilding more than a few minutes faster
That is a great benefit for pickup games, however. Especially with the ass-backwards layout of the indexes.

I can't find the black library mega link, I want to read dark imperium

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Is he the Chaptermaster my brazen boys deserve? Seems to be pretty much on par with Marneus Calgar, aside from the 2 extra command points, but Moloc is 50 points cheaper.
Also, does his ability to reroll to-hits stack with the Litanies of Hate from a chaplain?

>>53894054
I think you dont understand how Powerlevel works. With PL you can equip your unit with whatever as long as its legal. The PL are designed around units being equipped with stuff. Its not that accurate but that is the point of the system. Its easier for beginners and to just pick up a game and make an army on the fly, and for narrative games where it does not matter that both sides are balanced.

>>53894275
I'll bite.

You can realistically make two different 50 power lists with a 1,000 point difference.

>>53894318
Go on then

>>53894275
I am not even the guy you're making fun of there but people on this board should understand that sure, we don't give a shit about other people doing their own thing to have fun that doesn't affect us, but don't come in here and post lists using power level or battle reports using power level wondering what you could have "done better" or "can improve" because by attempting to do good you are playing competitively, and competitive play should never be anywhere near power level.

The "autistic screeching" about PL in these threads is due to people unironically trying to run tournaments with it, not the fact that somewhere out in the world some guys are playing a casual game with it. Please don't strawman.

>>53894237
chinacast, upgrade kit for 8bucks

>>53894284

>only in the fight phase

What the fuck is with deldar characters? Archons give Ld bubble to T3 5+ models that instantly get wiped when their transport dies and the Succubus can't help her Hellions or Reavers shoot better? On top of that, we have to hamstring our squads in order to do this.

>>53894318
The PL system assumes you're taking about half the offered wargear upgrades. If you're taking more (or less) than that, you are not playing in a manner conducive to PL.

>>53894204
>I care about informing people that power level is factually worse than points.
Fucking why

Anything else would be a more productive use of your time

>i dont care
>but i do care

>>53894307
you can't re-roll a re-roll

>>53894066

No part of Dark Eldar is really good, but mandrakes are usable now so we may as well.

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>>53894215
Maxmini sells a set of 10 power mauls for 7 euros. Third party weapon swaps are usually kosher even at GW shops.

http://maxmini.eu/conversion-bits/melee-weapons-shields/mechanical-hammers-MK2-bits

>>53894336
I wish that was true but then there is >>53894318
not understanding the meme when they say "whatever models we have"

>>53894367
Well, that's fine, I guess.

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Anyone?

>>53893930
It was a balanced match ending with her riptide at half health vs my Yvraine, 1 wound solitaire and 2 wound shadow seer.

>>53894197
My harlequins got stalled in mid field because twilight pathways and words of the phoenix kept failing.

Her broadside and riptide where killing guys faster than I could move them forward and the devil fish was coming up my flank ready to jump the objective.

I had to go for the devil fish as without it she had no way of scoring. After the fish was killed and most of my players were gone it was just my solitaire, yvraine, shadowseer and two players. Yvraine and shadowseer were able to do enough psychic mortal wounds to the broadside to kill it off and my opponent was left with a riptide vs my three characters (most of which just hanging on my a thread of life). Because you have to target the nearest model first there was no way with the number of rounds we had left for her to kill everything and I took the objective.

>>53894261
Who cares if its a worse system or not

It has its uses and its fine for some people

Good lord you're one dense motherfucker

>>53893780
LW and BS combo is great on a tyrant. I'm 8th, mine have always made it to combat. Its nice to get those attacks as a little Fuck you if he manages to die

>>53893761
God now i feel old and I've only been around since 4th

guys, when is gdubz posting free warscrolls??

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Has anyone got.the fuggin blacklibary mega/pastebin link. I want to read dark imperium

How well do Dark Eldar play in 8th edition? Tempted to start collecting them.

>>53894315
It just says get more men for x power.
It doesn't say give then stuff for x power.
As a result, they can't be equipped with anything. You're just assuming they can.

>>53894404
Datasheets will come for free in new boxes of minis.

>>53894382
>her
>balanced when you tabled your tranny opponent
Okay.

>>53894369
>mauls are hammers

Just bought a Necron starter kit and its missing the Lord.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug

>>53894424
oh, okay thanx anon

>>53894417
Very. Decide before hand though if you want to do Ynnari or straight Dark Eldar, because you can't include Haemonculus Covens units or Mandrakes in a Ynnari army.

>>53894417
Very well. They're a strong army now and their army wide rules are excellent. There are still some weak units like beast packs, but overall they're very good.

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>>53894424
>free
>you just have to buy them
>even if you already have the unit

>>53894318
Intentionally twisting the system to do something it's not supposed to do makes you the idiot, anon.
Power levels were designed to make friendly pick up games easy as fuck to use, and is generally WYSIWYG on face. Bleating that you can break the intent of a game mode only shows that you are the autist who can't understand concepts.
>>53894336
Anon, to be sure, it wasn't PL that made orks, nids and IG weak. They are a rough and ready measure of a typical unit, and are treated as such. It doesn't represent WAAC shit on purpose.

>>53894447
Write GW, get your Lord and maybe more.

>>53894455
Fuck those wannabe Dark Eldar, true Drukhari or no

>>53894457
That sounds good. I've only had time to skim through my new books and indexes but their battle-round-wide Pain trait seemed interesting.

>>53894368

I disagree with you about dark eldar as a whole but respect your right to an opinion.

>>53894417
My friend plays DE and the times I've played against him as Orks they've performed well. They are very FAST so if you like going FAST they are some of the best, and dark lances are terrifying.

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>>53894435
Yep. Although modern ones are axe/hammer hybrids.

>>53894464
Its $25 to get all the rules for your army, as well as a bunch of other armies. I've spent more money ordering pizza for myself tonight.

I would prefer if they were free but that's basically free.

>>53894470
>>53894470
My problem with true Drew Carrey armies is that power from pain doesn't benefit you much if you go shootey. It's almost a pure choppy buff.

>>53893705
That's not how it was intended to be used.
A fork is a shit digging implement.
Only a fool would choose to dig using a fork.
Doesn't mean forks are shit.

>>53894287
So many bodies, I think my 2k points Death Guard army is not able to fight this kind of shit, so I'm gonna rethink some shit.

>>53894467
Will they care if I bought it at my local gaming store?

>>53894150
Ebay dot com

>>53894464
If you already have an army obviously you pay $25 for the index. And yes, they are only "free" relative to old distribution models.

Manta
How many wounds is a good guess?

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>>53894499
>It's almost a pure choppy buff.

TIME TO REVEL IN THE GLORY OF COMBAT

>>53894491
What the hell man, I myself struggle to eat $10 worth of pizza.

>>53894517
maybe around 50

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>>53894491
>I would prefer if they were free but that's basically free.

I get what you're saying anon but don't be retarded

Finished damage calculations for Space Wolves, will likely get a start on their cost-calculations later today.

>>53894519
>dying to conscripts

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>>53894499
>Drew Carrey armies
I laughed out loud in real life.

I will no longer be able to see Dark Eldar armies on the tabletop without Coke Bottle glasses.

What the fuck is with Dark Eldar HQs? Even just ignoring that your hurting your squad strength for including them in your transports, their auras are fucked:

>Archons let <Kabal> units use his Ld
>Archon is Ld 9
>Warriors are Ld8 guardsmen never above squads of 10
>The whole army ignores moral after T4

>Succubus let's <Cult> units reroll 1s in the fight phase
>Does nothing for shooting from Reavers/Hellions and planes with <Cult> tag

>Haemunculi boost toughness for <coven> units
>this includes Raiders and Venoms because they get the <coven> tag

What the shit?

7th ed noob reporting in, are there no gameplay differences between different vanilla SM chapters other than characters they have access to?

I picked IF back in 7th for their reliance on bolters and such. It feels rather lame that my guys are identical to UM now

>>53894519
>T3 combat troops

>>53894211

Does a skilled craftsman settle for inferior tools?

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This guy walks up to you at your FLGS and slaps your models.

What do you do?

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>>53894551

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>>53894571

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Why does 200 points seem too much for an HQ venomthrope?

That's a boon to any NID lists

>>53893750
>It's still more efficient at pure killing though
But it's not more efficient than spending those points somewhere else. Fucking power maul + 3 hunter killers would be a better use of points.

>And on a character that isn't going to ever die
Everything but shit like lasguns and unarmed humans wound her on a 3+ or a 2+. She only has 5 wounds, or 10 effective with 4++ invuln or a bit more against low AP weapons.
Last game I had two, one died to smites after inflicting 2 damage on a charge (with an evis) against a sorcerer and the other died to lascannons before it ever got in range after it's escort was wiped out by smites and gunfire.

You take them for the aura and to fill HQ slots as cheaply as possible, power mauls are just a reasonable upgrade for 4 points even on HQ/aura fodder while 22 point eviscerators are not.

And using AoFs to heal her is almost always going to be the worst thing you can do with your precious few game changing acts of faith.

>>53894567
Give him some pills

>>53894552
Reavers and Hellions are both meant to get in their and charge. Same with Dark Eldar Vehicles now. You charge with your venom because when it succeeds they can't overwatch the rest of your army.

>>53894562
You'll get sub-faction specific rules when the codexes drop
(or at least thats the assumption)

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>>53894567
Give him some scars.

>slaps your models
Don't joke about that, man.

>>53893593
i-is that a primaris deathguard on the right?

>>53894562
The differences will come with the codices, not the general purpose index.

Hey guys, can I get some opinions?

I'm bored of painting tan for my Skitarii and I'm moving onto Cult mech stuff to add. My question is, would it look weird for me to do my Cult Mech (Dominus, Electro priests) in a different colour scheme from the Skitarii? I will use the same bases, metalics and electric-stuff colours but different robes.

How would an army with 2 colour schemes look on the table? Would it be too weird?

>>53894380
From iron cometh strength

From strength cometh will

From will cometh faith

From faith cometh honor

From honor cometh iron

From iron cometh autism

From autism cometh decimation

>>53894612
Oh, I did not realize there were still books to drop.

Thank you

>>53894597
>character you can't target
>makes monsters harder to hit

Considering that people are usually bring the heavy weapons at tyranofexes and Tervigons, there is a very real possibility that they're hitting at -2.

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>>53894567

>>53894287
Why take the Herald on an exalted seeker chariot when, unless I'm mistaking, it would still get the "characrer shrouding" if it were on the regular chariot?

Doesn't it still work since the Herald would have <10 wounds or did I miss a rule somewhere?

I've been out of 40k for a bit and was curious what the verdict for 8e is now that it's been out for a few days? Also any idea if any armies are completely gimped or overpowered this time around?

>>53894552

>S5 (with drugs) 2A 2D Hellions
>Just shooting with them

Go back to Archon school dummy

>>53894552
>Does not play well with others.

Generally you can safely ignore the Archon. A blaster Archon with Trueborn is the only real way to run him. Stick the Succubus with some Wyches/Blood rides. Haemonculus is likely to just walk.

The actual best HQ is Drazhar though. Stick him and nine Incubi in a Raider and you have some serial elf rapists.

>>53894562
If you want your army to feel unique, don't play marines.

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>>53894567
>touching another players models without asking
>almost as bad as someone touching your boob

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>>53894597
MC base too

>>53894491
Morbidly obese people shouldn't be allowed to post on the internet, opinion instantly invalidated

Plaguebearers vs poxwalkers?

With character buffs its:

Slightly faster and 1 more str from plaguebearers, they get a 5+ invuln save on top of FNP save. Can add buffs like icon and instrument. Can be summoned and gain -1 to hit with 20+ models.

Poxwalkers gain benefit of being slightly cheaper, being immune to morale and having 1 more attack. They do also have 1 lower WS but that's offset if they are in a unit of 10+.

Feels like plaguebearers are better IMO.

>>53894504
Nah man, they put everything in the box. Their customer care is awesome.

Anyone have a link for dark imperium

>>53894627
Don't for get that sniper rifles can't normally roll a 6+ against a malanthrope, thus no extra mortal wounds!

>>53894700
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-40000-dark-imperium-eng-2017

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>>53894660
>boobs
you mean almost as bad as any flgs nerd touching your shoulder or at all
Some nerd touches my boobs thats sexual assault

>>53894567
I slap him back with said models.

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>>53893396
WHY POWER LEVELS ARE INHERENTLY MORE BALANCED THAN POINTS

You're all aware of the autists that pour scorn on power levels, maybe you're one of them yourself. Easy to spot with their cries of 'pshh, get a big boys list dweeb' and 'muh mature game of le plastic soldiers for sophisticated adults like me' and you're all as sick of them as I am but next time you see a post that reeks of so much autism that you can smell the stale sweat and cheetoh dust through the monitor here's a perfect example to remember.

While power levels are unbalanced, all systems are unbalanced; points were always unbalanced too and are even more so now and as long as there is more than one faction then armies will always be unbalanced as well.
Example, the imperial guard heavy weapons team. A lascannon cost 25 pts for guard and 25pts for marines, but the marine will hit more often, live longer and is more mobile taking up only one space in a transport. A heavy weapons squad with 3 lascannons costs 75pts + 12pts for the guys. A mortar squad costs 15pts for the mortars and 12 for the guys, so one is 87 points and the other is 27 points but both are power level 3.

>MUH BALANCE, MUH BASIC MATH

But hold on, this means you can get 9 mortar teams for less than the cost of 3 lascannon teams. The lascannons obviously have their specific role but they are bs4 and can put out only 3 shots a round, those 9 mortar teams can put out UP TO 54 SHOTS A ROUND (fair enough it's not going to happen but you're not likely to hit with 3 lascannons either), can fire indirectly and is a cheap unit that can be included in any imperial army. 3 lascannon shots is an obstacle to avoid but 54 mortars out of nowhere is something to change your whole strategy around. And yet, you wouldn't have to worry about it with power levels but do with points.

If you want to play a perfectly balanced game then play chess, it's a lot cheaper the 40k and has more depth anyway.

>>53894717
No, some posted the mega two days ago and I can't find it in the archives

>>53894622
These are the basic, "holy fuck you guys 8th ed rules" - Codexes will change this, but you'll be able to keep playing Index lists if you'd rather.

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>>53894622
Yeah, indexes are just a stopgap to quickly update everyone to 8th ed. since it's so different. The rulebook mentions codexes.

>>53893827
Seems like such an obvious fanpandering move that it won't take long.

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Thoughts?
Something a bit different than Tank or Con spam.
Mostly for tac objective games.

>>53894722
>Some nerd touches my boobs thats sexual assault
Never had you for vengeful type...

>>53894695
It depends on what you intend to do with the unit
>I want to be a useless piece of shit all day and sit on point

Small band of Plaguebearers or Poxwalkers
>I want to tangle some scary melee units until help arrives

Plaguebearers with a Herald nearby or a big Pox walker blob.


Take'em both. Papa Nurgle commands it.

>>53893945
With only 5 wounds it will probably die to snipers on the first turn.

How long until a sisters of battle codex?

>>53894645

Is S5 better than +1A? I'd also wager that T4 is better because they're only 5+ to save.
>but muh T5 Reavers
I'd rather have another survivable unit than boosting an already survivable unit

>>53894651
>>53894610

It still doesn't explain why the succubus aura is only in the fight phase like every other reroll 1 aura.

>>53894722
>Sudden urge for loli Commisars.

Anyone know a good 3d printer who does custom jobs?

>>53894695
plaguebearers also repeat to wound

for 70 points(herald) you get a +1 S buff to a unit that's gonna hurt a lot in melee already

also poxwalker models are ridiculous, seem to evil to me to be nurgle

>>53894727
>it's a lot cheaper the 40k and has more depth anyway.
>Chess is deeper than Advanced Random Dice Chess

Ok.

>>53894727
>it's balanced because it's unbalanced
So this is the mindset of powerlevelfags.

>>53894751
I think I'll take both since I'm getting the starter box.

I'll probably get a nurgle daemons box too cuz all the models there are pretty cool and decent IMO.

>>53894759
Don't forget the T3, so they're wounding her on 3s.

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>>53894727
>autist rage
nobody is arguing that PL are more balanced than points Go post this bait on reddit

>>53894780
>you need to be strength 7 to wound toughness 3 on a 2+
8th is fucking retarded.

>>53894727
These losers need to recognise
>MUH GRANULARITY, MUH WAACFAGS
If you're complaining about waacfags, what you're complaining about is you believe that other lists are overbalanced whereas of course YOU made different purchasing decisions and have been left behind, what you want is for your own list to be overbalanced
WELL FUCKING OVERBALANCE IT THEN YOU WHINY CUNT
Either make an optimal list and play to win or shut the fuck up and play your 'fluffy' (poorfag) bullshit and like it.

>>53894768
40k is more complex than chess, but it's not deeper than chess

>>53894801
You can build a list to kick shit in and play to win and not be a waacfag.

If a regiment of IG were likely to go renegade, would it make more sense for them to pledge themselves to a Chaos god, like Space Marines?

Or would it be more likely/make more sense for them to pledge themselves to a traitor legion, or just go out for themselves?

>>53894799
6 strength wounds 3s on 2s.
Some snipers wound infantry on 2s anyway.

>>53894763
Some armies work differently. DE are the only ones with a +1 T aura.

>>53894801
This post is even more autistic than the one it's quoting. How did he do that?

>>53894803
>40k is more complex but not deeper than a game that can be summed up down to every move in a 20$ book
>>53894771

>>53894780
I was mostly thinking of the mortal wounds snipers dish out now, but your right that toughness 3 isn't very survivable.

>>53894184
Fun is just a buzzword for when you don't actually have anything good to say about something.

>>53894763
>It still doesn't explain why the succubus aura is only in the fight phase like every other reroll 1 aura.
admech and tau auras is re-roll 1's in shooting, despite having some dedicated melee units.

>>53894763
>>53894763

In the first game I played toughness did fuck all, lost 6 out of 10 to 1 round of shooting from 20 conscripts.

S5 is the magic number for wounding a lot of things on 3s.

>but overwatch anon!

Charge around corners and blindside them so they don't get overwatch.

Don't know how +1 attack fairs as I put that on my succubus (it's better than the +WS to negate the -1 from glaive as she already gets S5)

>>53894701
Does the debuff work on the thrope itself?

Any other ork players seeing how great Mad Dok looks now? 9 pts more than a regular painboy and you get better WS, Ld, armour, and 5+ fnp. He seems like an absolute steal now.

>>53894827
You have to be more than double.

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>>53893742

>>53894866
Yes. Same for other rules that 'say all X within'.
If the model itself is X then it is included.

>>53894420
On the unit cards is a section called 'Wargear Options' which applies to the unit just as much as every other section on the card. If you're going to ignore the text that says "You can take a plasma pistol" you might as well ignore the text saying "This unit has this special rule".

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>>53894889

>>53894845
Please go look up the difference between complexity and depth

>>53894892
Now put him in a square base and he's good for. . .
Actually never mind.

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>>53894567

Murder

Also planning out my new 50pwr eldar army. can i get some advice?

>>53894906
Things aren't free.
If you cannot increase your power by taking it then you can't take it.

>>53894906
>this doesn't say I CAN'T, so I will even if it breaks the spirit and intent of the game!
You are the kind of idiot GW needs to make it's ridiculous faqs for.

>>53893585
Lemme see those Roses anon

>>53894913
What?

>>53894919

Take less wargear

>>53894908
This thing is so easy to get wrong.

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the astral claws were so fucking sexy why did they have to change their scheme and how can I make the scheme my own for loyalists

>>53894935
>>53894931
>you can't take wargear upgrades in a power level game
What the fuck am I reading.

>>53893813
That's irrelevant man its old rumor stuff, he wounds the 8th dred with 5 dark lances. It would have blown it up two times over.

>>53893730
Why did gw stop selling the kopters that came from it? those were actually good.

>>53894727
you're a fucking retarded if you give lasscannons to a guy that's gonna miss half his shots instead of giving him something that will dish out more impacts per shot.

I wouldn't give a bad shot a sniper rifle, but if he can carry a flamethrower I see no reason to not give it to him.

>>53894763
Math!

+1A increases your chance of causing a wound with a helion in a fight phase by 50% (1 more attack, divided by 2 base attacks).

+1S is variable. It depends on the toughness of the target you're attacking:

Toughness 10 or more: No increase
Toughness 8-9: 100% increase (doubled odds)
Toughness 6-7: No effect.
Toughness 5: 50% increase
Toughness 4: 50% increase
Toughness 1-3: No effect.

It's for this reason that I think +1A is better. You often aren't going to smash your helions into a T8-9 creature, so the flat 50% increase accross all toughness values is better than the conditional increase from +1S

>>53894947
He looks too much like a dead game.

>>53894961
You can't buy them, there's nothing to imply they come with the unit, so yeah you can't upgrade your unit.
That is reserved for the autism of points.

>>53894759
She has a 2+/4++. You're going to need a lot of snipers. 27 Ratlings on average.

>>53894951

What do you mean?

>>53894931
>If you cannot increase your power by taking it then you can't take it.
Where does it say you can take things on your unit card in a points game then?

>>53894935
It doesn't break the spirit since everything is free for everyone and the power cost is adjusted by the cost of your options.

No one wants to play a game with just bolters. That would be fucking boring. They would never design a system that only lets you play with bolters.

>>53894979
Vindicare makes that a 5+ no invul with a chance to do 5 wounds in one turn.

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Why are Ultramarines legitimately the objectively, canonically best Chapter, /tg/?

>>53893781
dunno, with my group it might actually be better since half the fuckers don't make their lists till they get there and i'd really like not having to wait an additional 40 minutes for them to play.

>>53894961
People screaming PL doesn't work because it doesn't account for someone taking everything possible a unit can get access to (which doesn't actually happen in real games, this entire conversation is contrarians, autists and trolls bitching to have something to bitch about).

>>53894736
>>53894730
This is good to know, definitely makes me feel better about my yellow dudes

>>53894979
I don't know what kind of pee shooter sniper rifle Ratlings carry but Astartes sniper rifles inflict mortal wounds so fuck saving throws.

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How does this look?

>>53894965
They do, it's in the Battle for Vedros stuff.

>>53894956
Just play them and claim they were away from Badab or lost in the warp for the whole War thing

There was only like 6-20,000 of them

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>my 2000point list comes out to almost 100 power exactly
>I can safely play my army in any situation without modification
feels good to be a casual

>>53894826
Space Marines are already "inmortal" and very powerful, so I find logical that some of them don't care about siding with a god and instead prefer to be their own kings.

Humans are fragile and mortal, they'll probably want a sponsor to give them power in regards for the service so they can achieve a greater power level.

>>53894759
That implies she's worth sniping when Celestine and Seraphim are flying around.

>>53895026
>genestealer cult
>space marines

>>53894991
Where does it say you can

>>53895026
>Genestealer Cult

>>53894975

So who the hell do you give strength to?! My drugs are currently assigned as;

+A to Succubus
+S to Hellions
+T to Wyches

Then spread the rest if I have extra druggies/roll for them

Are there any good battle report videos for sisters of battle in 8th edition? I've only found 2 that even have sisters units in them, and usually those sisters units are just 1 or 2, while everything else is power gamed mixing and matching general empire shit.

>>53894931
Are you retarded? I'm being serious here, I have no idea how badly you could misinterpret things without a severe learning disability.

>>53894991
>No one wants to play a game with just bolters.
Good thing they don't.
PL facilitates wysiwyg for pick up games intentionally.
What it doesn't do is support someone abusing the intent of removing points to load up on "free" wargear, then claiming the system doesn't work.
So ta-ta, we'll continue this nonsense in the next thread.

do units inside a transport count as being on the board and not reserves?

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>>53895059
>>53895049

That's just for the Knight. It's from House Mortimer.

Anyone have a link for dark imperium, can't find it in the repository

>>53895011
because someone who shall not be named decided his favourite army should be the best, truly a good example of the people of /40kg/

>>53893883
More like IG isn't balanced, good job using one of the most undercosted combos in both points and power in the game as your example.

8 deepstrike plasma guns with a tempestor for reroll 1s cost scions 168 points, it cost marines 411.

>>53895025
Ratling sniper rifles do too and I accounted for that. The math is exactly the same for scout snipers except your dudes are way more expensive.

>>53895007
Multiple Vindicares kill almost any character anon. It wounds in 2+. That's not a Celestine thing. And if the meta shifted that way she has access to a bodyguard unit.

>>53895026
Too many power fists.

>>53895011
Because Priestley ordained it so many years back at the dawn of 40k.

>>53895070
Strength isn't bad on hellions, because 4/5 toughness units are common. But it's not the best. I wouldn't waste +1A on the succubus. In your list, I'd give the +1A to the wyches (I believe it's more efficient there than on hellions), +1S or T to the hellions, and +2 M (or anything) maybe to the succubus. She really doesn't need a drug.

>>53895100
He prefers Necrons.

Alright, question. Somebody said that it had been supported that an Apothecary returning models to play fell under the same rules as summoning, i.e., you have to pay the point cost of the returned models at the beginning of the game. Has anybody else heard this?

>>53895085
The wargear isn't free. The cost is in the power. You pay more power for units that have access to powerful wargear. This is why scouts cost more than tacticals and dominions cost more than battle sisters.

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>>53895109
>not enough power fists
FTFY.

>>53895043
Good point, thanks for bringing that up.

>>53895078
Are you?
You're just assuming you're getting things rather than having a confirmation.
Besides, things that deviate from the normal drag the game down by having to look up what they do and it oes against the spirit of power levels.

>>53895100
I wish you actually knew enough about 40k to realize how stupid you are, but 1d4chan is all you know.
>>53895116
This guy has it.

>>53895143
Power level costs are based on unit points plus half the cost of their max wargear. Thus units which can potentially load up on more wargear are more unbalanced in PL if the player is taking their max loadouts, as that is counter to the intent of the system.

>>53895147

>Good luck! I'm behind 7000 purity seals!

>>53895089
They are deployed yes. Though I wouldn't call that "on the board" exactly. Also "in reserves" isn't technically in the rules anymore. Each alternative deployment rules has its own place where models are placed.

>>53895167
Somewhat incorrect. Power levels are based on base cost+the average cost of every possible wargear combination. That was stated in the FAQ.

>>53895147

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>>53895089
They're not in reserves, but units inside transports are not considered to be on the board where the rules are concerned.

>>53894727
>lascannon is 25pts for marines and 20pts for IG

already wrong, IG pay 20pts for our lascannons.

Hell we pay 7pts for plasma.

We also pay 4-5pts for power weapons and 10pts for a powerfist.

aka armies pay unique points even if their gear is similar to account for the fact that a piece of war gear may be more useful for one army than another. Almost like points were better balanced now or something.

>>53895203
Ah, my bad. Same basic principle still applies.

>>53895191
>Each alternative deployment rules has its own place where models are placed.

Can't wait for some rule sperg to try and argue that RAW you can't put certain units in reserve because unless you really can put it in a battle barge in orbit or waiting inside the warp or something.

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7 more points 22 less PL. Totally balanced.

And no I was not trying for this result I was just making 2k point armies.

>>53894499
>not going choppy as Drukhari

>>53895167
And by that logic running a unit with no wargear when it can take it is unbalanced and counter to the intent of the system.

You're supposed to bring what you have and play with a quickly calculated army list that is roughly equal. If what you have is a havoc squad with with max lascannons, using them is not "counter to the intent of the system".

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I remember some anon was asking for a bigger version of the DG schemes pages from the starter set booklet. While looking for something completely different (as is often the way) I stumbled across this. Afraid it was just the single pic, don't have the other page, but maybe it'll help.

>>53895256
Where did you find power for BS?
Also do they have the profiles yet?

>>53894956
primaris

>>53895278
It downloaded in the background, no idea. You can set it for PL or Points but it shows both.

>>53893780
No, you're right. Monstrous Boneswords suck, regular ones are good. Lashbones of both types suck ass, they really should have give them the same strike first rule that Venomthropes and the Toxicrine got.

>>53895251
>Go outside and start throwing jump packs marines to place them "high in the skies".

>>53895160
the actual reason is because since Guilliman wrote the book that defines what an Astartes Chapter and its members should be he made it so his Astartes were the example of everything that same book says.

>>53895262
I go choppy and shooty as Ynnari though. Get a nice big unit of incubi, and it makes for a great soulburst target.

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Care to help me tune this list?
I want a rounded list that I can field vs most in tac objective games.

>>53895251
I've been waiting for someone to point this out.

I've been trying to figure out how to build my own teleportarium chamber for my grey knights.