Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Second for the Archon.

>>53880713
ALERT THE GW LAWYERS

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third for advice

++ Patrol Detachment (Necrons) [45 PL, 993pts] ++

+ HQ +

Overlord [7 PL, 147pts]: Resurrection Orb, Warscythe

+ Troops +

Immortals [4 PL, 94pts]: Gauss Blaster, 5x Immortal

Necron Warriors [12 PL, 240pts]: 20x Necron Warrior

+ Elites +

Lychguard [8 PL, 185pts]: Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield, 5x Lychguard

Triarch Stalker [8 PL, 171pts]: Heat Ray

+ Fast Attack +

Canoptek Wraiths [6 PL, 156pts]
. Canoptek Wraith: Transdimensional Beamer
. Canoptek Wraith: Transdimensional Beamer
. Canoptek Wraith: Transdimensional Beamer

++ Total: [45 PL, 993pts] ++

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>>53880699
Expecting to face horde IG with moderate armor support tomorrow. How's this?

DAngels Ancients: Good or no? They seem pretty weak to me.

>>53880868
Also, I wish they updated the list builder so I can actually present my list in a readable format. Necrons need some love man!

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Deathskulls or Blood Axes?

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How out of place for the setting would be an Agri-world with giant hive-city sized Skyfarms be?

>>53880699
>inb4 10th edition when the EMPEROR returns at the helm of a legion of Golden Sue clones of him so Games Workshop can literally sell armies of God Emperors

Herohammer on steroids for sure.

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Pretend the three units under the Super Heavy Detachment is a Thunderhawk (totals to same points).

Just how absurd is this.

>>53880885
Completely fine.

Anybody have the rules for Rapier weapons batteries?

Me and my friends are considering getting into the game. We'd like to do a free for all, with 3 total players. Is there a good way to handle that?

>>53880880
They're starting to add FW stuff before finishing off the normal armies. Would love for the Necron section to be complete. Especially since the leaks are horrible with blurry pages and the points sections are sideways. Not sure how to flip them in the windows 10 pdf viewer.

>>53880820
Any tips on using it effectively?

>>53880874
Ancients are good for dissuading people from shooting certain units.
For instance, centurions+ancient+apothecary is a really powerful combo, since it forces opponents to kill them all off in one turn or they come back, and even when they do kill them they have a 50% chance to fire one last time.

They're good if you have the points, but you have to know how to use them. For Dangles them plus a deathwing knight blob could be quite killy.

>>53880908
I think there's a page in the rulebook about that towards the back.

>>53880908
The rulebook has a pretty clear layout for 1v1v1 games, AFAIK it works fine. 8th seems to play pretty well, things are straightforward and streamlined from 7th bloat.

>>53880908
That's in the rules actually.
What armies are you all considering?

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>mfw the magaera is so bad it's not even funny

Holy hell, that gun is so bad- Take a moment and laugh at this dude. Laugh!

>>53880892
Doesn't look like it has any good way to deal with hordes or more than a few tanks.

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What should I add to bring this up to 1500/2000?

>>53880892
Needs a bit more anti-horde.
Not sure if the mortis flux levithan is fluffy for RG, nor how competitive you want this list to be.
Maybe try assault cannon tarantulas?

>>53880967
Tactical marines

>>53880884
Blood Axes

>>53880956
Absolutely agree, but my only objective with such a list is to actually play my Thunderhawk as it has sat on my shelf for 5 years.

>>53880967
Deathwing knights

>>53880936
One guy is gonna be orks, and I think the other is gonna be tau. I haven't decided yet. Probably Nids or Sisters.

If I took a shit right on the wargaming table, what 8th edition units could it proxy as?

Do the Astartes Index has the rules for the Siege Mantlets for Tacticals?

The 'Badab War' Breachers on the Siege list.

>>53880993
GUO

Pretty obvious

>>53880989
London?

>>53880993
Knight Magaera army

>>53880949

Someone should have mentioned the average of 2d6 is 7.

Has anybody played the Dark Imperium scenario yet? I split with my buddy on the box and I got the Primaris Marines out of it. Even though he's got less points and is at a lower Power, I can't see a way to beat the Plague Marines.

>>53880993
Any Tau battlesuit. Just make sure that you get a Japanese guy to take the shit rather than you.

>>53880925
>>53880930
>>53880936
Also, thanks, I found it. Looking at the battlemap, the table is divided into quadrants. One player is gonna get stuck in the middle, and the other two players are going to have a lot of open space to their sides that one player doesn't. Is there a better way to do deployment for it?

>>53880989
Don't go Sisters. Trust me. Nids have been treated kindly so far this edition.

>>53881011
Nope.

>lord of contagion uses a rusty nob big choppa

Orks are getting squatted, right?

>>53881018
XV8s are not as good as they used to be but Stealth Suits, Ghostkeels, and certain XV8 builds are still excellent if you properly use drones. Anchor them with a Commander or Shadowsun and declare Montka after you get charged to advance your whole suit-corps away and unload.

>>53881030
So have sisters, haven't they?

>>53881021
On a rectangular table, not really, no.

Just give the middle spot to whichever player has the most mobile units or deep strikers.

>>53881047
Speak in english buddy, I'm not an expert on different flavors of japanese shit.

>>53881053
Their rules are okay but their entire army is still shit old metal models, difficult to find OOP tanks and who knows if they'll actually get a real Codex anytime soon while nids are slated to be one of the first non-Marine armies to get updated this edition.

>>53881074
Oh, cool. There's a schedule out? We're playing in TTS for the game, but that will influence which army I plan to get for real, if any.

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>>53881060

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>>53880885
my regiment's home world fluff features a large incorporation of an arcology settlement carved out of the landscape of a dangerous death world.

>>53881035
No. Ghazghkull will evolve into a Prime Ork™ and subjugate all the other races of the galaxy towards living in the NPC and throwaway antagonist corner for the rest of time.

>>53881083
There's no schedule but we have little hints of information to extrapolate from. GW is giving update priority to Codexes that were not updated in 7th. That means Nids and Guard are pretty much first.

>>53880967
More bodies. There's a lot of firepower there but it won't hold back a tide of boyz/gaunts/conscripts.

>>53881116
Awesome. Are there odds on the codex being good or bad for nids? I've read they have sort of a history with everything being either overpowered or complete trash.

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>>53881060
When the bad men try to punch your anime characters, use your frisbees to take the damage instead.

During your turn, yell like a coward ("Mont'ka!") and fly away 9" - 18" depending on the unit types and fire all your guns.

>>53881126
No clue yet. Playtesting should stop it from being shit this time. If they get someone other than Cruddace to lead it then who can say how it will turn out, we haven't seen a non-Cruddex update for Nids in 4 editions. Parts of the index are really good for them, while other parts still clearly have the hallmarks of Cruddace's creatively bankrupt phoned-in design, so it's a crapshoot.

>>53880873
Re-requesting second opinions.

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2000 point Sons of Medusa list. The 167 missing points is Vaylund Cal.

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Well I had my first ever match yesterday. I ran nids vs shikari with a 30PL cap and it went as much as you'd expect. Had fun but the other guy was kinda sore as he put his stuff away.

>>53881170
Well, what do you think a good point/power level value is for a first game between 3 people? I was thinking 500 points, but is that too low?

>>53880873
why not a single battalion for the 3 cp? just need to split the csm squads to get a 3rd.

>>53881207
Fucking why is it flipped?

>>53881214
It's pretty low. I'd go 1000 to get a real feel for things, but if you're all brand new it would get you used to the rules.

>>53881207
Ah, Upside-Down formation, I see. Classic.

>>53881205
Cataphractii suck this edition. Probably want to sub in a regular assault Terminator squad or something.

>>53880885
pumping water that high can't possibly be energy-efficient

>>53881232
>Skitari player flipped the table

>>53881187
Needs more chaos spawn

>>53881238
This is what I get for beating the computer nerd faction

>>53881207
>upside down pic
>shikari
>power level
This post is a disaster.

>>53881214
500 is a little low but if that's all you have then give it a try.

I would start with 750 if possible.

Power level wise that would translate to 25-35ish.

>>53881207
>gray tide nids vs lower tabletop standard skitmech
>tabled so hard painted models player was salty
this is the future we chose, waacfag nids

>>53881239
Why do you say that? I've run them in every list so far and they've been brutal. Yeah they're not going to leave the area that they're in, but hold them in reserve to drop them in the thick of the action and they've performed for me. In the last 3 games they've killed old one eye, 2 carnifexes, 2 hive tyrants, and their weight in genestealers.

so I haven't been paying attention, but do you now take turns in combat phase and can jump battle to battle? So like if my opponent finishes his attack, I don't have to attack back with what was attacked and can instead fight something else thats locked in combat to try to remove some of the attacks that could be coming from another squad? thats how i read it at least

>>53880993
Chaos spawn. The one that gets bigger and bigger each turn.

>>53881225
My strategy is Rhino rush backed up by a backline Terminator assault and the Predator. If I split the CSM one squad will have to hoof it.

>>53881249
>Imperium
>efficient technology

>>53881207
Sounds like that AdMech person learned the hard way that PL is trash and to just play fucking points.

>>53881021
If you have a big table, make an equilateral triangle battle zone.

>>53881274
You can split the CSM and have both combat squads in the same rhino fyi

>>53881265
Too easily pinned down and annihilated/tied up from what I've seen.

>>53881264
He said it was his first game ever, give him a break. He didn't even bring a WAACy nid list, it's literally the Start Collecting set and a box of gaunts judging from the pic.

>>53881264
I just got into 40k, chose tyranids cause I liked the zerg and built them in a week to make it to the release event. all I brought was the start collecting box and guants.

>>53881268
Yes.

>>53881207
I'd be a little salty too if I lost to unpainted models.

>>53881300
What kind of loadouts?

I've found that running 2 chainfists and 2 lightning claws means it's hard for them to be tied up. Lets them hurt both big and small stuff. And the 4+ invuln saves my ass a lot.

>>53881207
Why is there a template on the table?

>>53881321
So you're saying that he should have a fully painted army for his first ever match?

>>53881321
His stuff was barely painted too. He painted the jackets on one squad, helmets on another and everything else was grey.

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>>53881296
Fixed it up. How's that?

>>53881278
I was referring to the pic of the actual building.

>>53881334
Guy was using it for a ruler.

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So something I'm wondering.

Do Servo-arms give you an extra attack at its profile or let you choose to use the servo attack in place of one of your regular attacks in this edition?

>>53881314
>chose tyranids cause I liked the zerg
FUCK

>>53881337
Actually yes. I'd at least expect my opponent to paint and base his shit before putting it on the table, but I'm not so autistic as to decline games if they don't. Repeat offenders, though...

>>53881352
>he doesn't even prime
Well take back everything I said. That guy is a fag.

>>53881373
use one of your attacks, seems like it

>>53881373
No, it's written right there. When you make your attacks, only one of them can be done using the servo arm.

>>53881325
Admittedly the ones I've seen focus more on heavy weapons than melee, but how do you actually get them into combat? Chaos can use Warptime, but you've got to get really lucky on a charge.

>>53881317
thank you very much. that really adds a new level of stategy to the game with combat instead of just attacking willy nilly

>>53881337
>playing with unpainted models

That's the first step towards being one of those never paints his army people.

>>53881384
So what's wrong with the zerg?

>>53881413
i personally can't stand that shit. I wont play with something if it's not painted. thats literally half of the hobby

>>53881411
>just attacking willy nilly

But that's like the entire theme of melee in 40k. Willy nilly. See: Khorne Berserkers.

>>53881362
I think they use techniques that require less water than traditional farming. I believe most water put into the soil is lost to runoff.

>>53881413
If it brings you any consolation, one of those guants is actually base coated, and I'm working on a color scheme for the army.

>>53881405
Use a command die to reroll the charge, or just have them somewhere threatening so that they can't just walk away from you.

Also, more devoted to heavy weapons? All they can use is a heavy flamer.

>>53881416
something something not a true 40k fan if you appreciate things more mainstream than it that are similar something something normies get out reeeeeee something something

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Is Boss Snikrot good now?

>>53881431
>Plays chaos
Am aware...looking forward to waaag...i mean attacking my enemies with a bucket of dice

How do you guys think the meta will change as more primarchs are added to the game overtime?

Any suggestions for this list?

<Battalion Detachment>
-HQ-
Illuminor Szeras - 143
Anrakyr the Traveller - 167

-Troops-
Necron Warriors x19 - 228
Immortals x10 - Tesla Carbines - 170
Immortals x10 - Tesla Carbines - 170

-Dedicated Transport-
Ghost Ark - 170

-Elites-
C'Tan Shard of the Nightbringer - Antimatter Meteor - 230
C'Tan Shard of the Deciever - Times's Arrow - 225

-Heavy Support-
Doomsday Ark - 203
Doomsday Ark - 203
Canoptek Spyder - Fabricator Claw Array - 84

Total - 1993
Command Points - 6

Just learned that C'Tan shards are characters so you can protect them from shooting (unless I'm mistaken) so they're better than I thought (hopefully)

>>53881491
"How good is the new Primarch?"

"Hold on, I'll check and see how many conscripts it takes to kill him."

>>53881491

Some big stompy models will be added in flavors other than French Vanilla Guilliman. Strawberry Sanguinius, Rocky Road Vulkan, Birthday Cake Lion...

>>53881491
no, just going to be another heavy hitting warlord basically.

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>>53881443
I know you guys are gonna give me shit for bad painting but here's a pic of what I got so far on design. pray the machine spirit isn't still fucking with me

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>>53880871

What do you guys think of pic related? I used my for the first time on Saturday and it felt extremely flimsy for a 200pt model. The first round he shot at it, it just died. The lack of jink hurts more than I realized.

>>53880873
I'm thinking about mixing some combiplasma in with my meltas, just for some rapid-fire S7 in their backline. Two things to remember though: 1) 18" apart is enough to deny a deepstrike; 2) Your Termis are going to be nearly double the cost of his vehicles.

Otherwise, looks nice and destructive. Gives your opponent plenty to think about while also letting you take and hold objectives.

What are the best Ork units to have in 8th?

>>53881522
thin your fucking paints anon

>>53880889
Sometimes I wonder how many Primarch models FW and GW have sold.

Makes me slightly amused if there are literally tens of thousands of Guilliman or Magnus models out there, if only because I like the image of thousands of primarchs at once.

>>53880885
Sounds like a good way to be closer to self-sufficiency with agri-goods, especially if there are gangs/corrupt nobles growing illegal plants in the farms - there's a reason that hydroponic dope is such a popular crop.

>>53881522
What is that white?

Got some rules questions for /tg/.

Do character auras affect the vehicle they are in? What about if you activate a psychic power that generates and then embark on a transport?

Can a psyker deny from a transport?
Cast?

>>53881021
My mates and I played in a similar way - we just concentrated most of the terrain in the middle of the table, and that player got first turn.

Am I the only one passed that the new Hive Fleet Hydra literally ripped off my fluff.
>MFW never again will I consume a Hive Fleet for their adaptations.

>>53881515
>units get their points and power level replaced with a Conscript number

>>53881556
While a unit is embarked, unless there's a specific rule that says otherwise, it's essentially removed from the game and has no effects on anything.

>>53881554
Celestra grey layered with Ulthuan grey with white scar highlight.

>>53881529

>WAAC Ork players
baka senpai

>>53881257
>>53881187
This is true.

>>53881574
>the new Hive Fleet Hydra
The what?

>>53881515
>>53881575
I've been evaluating units on the points you pay per wound inflicted on a conscript blob in a single turn. I usually try to field an unit that can inflict a wound for less than 10 points.

>>53881575
>>53881515
With the right rolls it'll only take 1

Hey guys posting again asking about Custodes. I understand the army list is pretty small right now outside of 30k and need to look at taking allies.

Are there any particular allies they would pall around with? Inquisitors? Assassins? Sisters of Silence (are they a thing now)?

Also s fluff question, what do custodes do now that the empire has gone to shit?

>>53881491
Some groups may start houseruling points limits in which you cannot run them to stop the game from becoming Primarchhammer ft. all these little shits no one cares about, 1v1 me.

Personally I think they shouldn't be allowed in games under 3000 points.

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>>53881556

>>53881232
>>53881207
Hello, fellow Australian.

>>53881547
Are you meming or are you serious?

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>>53881592
Forgot my amusing pic

>the tyranid menace is ended when the hive fleets consume EACH OTHER to the last man
top fucking kek

>>53881615
Muh natural selection

>>53880893
>>53881552
>>53881102
Glad to hear it's not too out of place. I'm working on a homeworld for my dudes, and I wanted something vibrant, green, and vertical, but I didn't want to go for a typical deathworld with giant trees.

>>53881249
Probably not, but it looks cool

>>53881589
http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/52782/new-official-hive-fleet-hydra

>>53881522


Thin your paints. Apply multiple coats of white since you can see the black through it.

Watch youtube tutorials.

>>53881592

Guilliman, Inquisitors, and SoS.

>>53881522
T H I N N

>>53881615

>NPCs literally offing themselves
Yes I know what the lore actually means

>>53881592
They used to do nothing, now they do something.

>>53881629
Anon, I think that's intentional...

>>53881529
A lot of them.

>>53881518
>Birthday cake Lion

Don't you mean Cherry Cheesecake?

>>53881599
I live through 2 editions of bullshit like 5++ auras extending from the hull of land raiders and crap like firepoints and "assault vehicle" existing at all and I still can't use psykers from vehicles? such bs.

>>53881605
maybe its because it's so close, but the white looks really thick on there

Who cares the coolest hive fleet will always be that lava based /tg/ one. Nidhogg or something? Especially if you paint them up real dark with super bright glowing magma edges.

The one custom /tg/ thing that wasn't retarded like Star Krakens or Aztec marines.

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Left or Right?

>>53881574
>hive fleet hydra
>new
Get the fuck out newfag, Hydra is one of the most venerable famous nid hobbyists. His fluff has been canonized since 5th edition.

>>53881647
It is, I forgot put nuln oil after the base coat.

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>>53881525
Hmmm... taking out four Termies lets me reduce that investment and bring another Predator. Enhances my long-range firepower while still offering a deepstrike threat.

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>>53881615
It just makes them stronger retard.

>>53881599

So the safest place to be in an explosion is in the exploding vehicle?

>>53881629

>Thin your paints cause your layers are translucent

>>53881681
>"""""stronger"""""

>>53881583
I'm not WAAC. I'm just completely new to orks and don't want to get tabled.

Rest of Badab rules when?

>>53881522
That's the wrong way to do white over a dark undercoat friend. Try this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRR7W5-F15c

>>53881662
I wanna like the left one more but it's sorta flat. Could anything else break it up you think?

>>53881700
I....>>53881581

>>53881712
I mean I could change the hair color. Otherwise that's the official Order of the Argent Shroud scheme.

>>53881696
Whenever someone feels like posting the epub.

>>53881683
>Thin your paints cause your layers are translucent

>unthinned paints are too thick to do even a single layer, let alone multiple layers
>still translucent

Might as well thin the paint, that way even though it gets more translucent, it's thin enough to eventually get a solid coverage without looking like shit. This is the simplest, basic principle behind good painting and thinning your paint. Come on, nigga.

>>53881716
Hmm. Well I'd strongly recommend a more beginner friendly color. Even swapping to a bone color and doing Zandri Dust, Agrax Earthshade and the Ushabti bone will give you much better results. Honestly shades would just make your life a whole lot easier.

>>53881116
C
S
M

>>53881673
If you're stuck for points, a squad of havoks with lascannons is 165.

Im honestly insanely envious of how cheap lascannon spam is.

Falcons are more expensive and have 2/3rds the damage output and are less durable.

>>53881722
Hmm well they both look cool. Maybe a dry brushed color to the white hair?

>>53881689
>no biomass lost
>weaker fleet gets btfo and good bits integrated into new fleet
>explains new waac meta at tournaments
>kryptman's gambit 2, the lure two hive fleets together boogaloo

>>53881742
Well watching the video I see that I wasn't as smooth as Duncan (no one can) in painting. I can practice after work tomorrow.

Any other nid players love spamming gaunts? I'm trying to decide which to get more of, I have 20 termagaunts and 40 hormagaunts. I like hormagaunts more for aesthetic reasons, so what do you guys like to use them for? Is it just fast chaff to surround the people who would want to disengage? Can they really kill anything?

I also spam the new zoans and carnifexes out of love.

>>53881653

I couldn't really think of anymore.

>>53881753
seriously, the power creep throughout 6-7 was unreal against CSM

Picked up a Burning of Prospero box. How would you guys recommend building the Sisters and Custodes? I'm thinking swords or flamers for the Sisters, and spears for the Custodes.

>>53881683
Models getting transported get hit with mortal wounds too.

>>53881753

>one of the first non-Marine armies

>>53881753
Codex
Space
Marines?

You bet!

>>53881761
>all tyranid life that's eventually left is one big carnifex in space that literally cannot do anything due to being too big
>dies of hunger

>>53881784
Not mortal wounds. You roll for each model and on a 1 the model is removed. No save

>>53881781
>How would you guys recommend building the Sisters and Custodes?

As corpses to glue to your bases.

>>53881797
>I don't understand the first thing about tyranid lore: the post

>>53881759
I considered painting them all as redheads, but I'm not sure. There is some subtle shading on the white hair, but it's kinda washed out by the lights. Anyway, thanks for the comments.

>>53881756
Sure, but Havocs are slower and more vulnerable than Predators. Against horde IG resilience is paramount on anything you're not sticking in melee.

>>53881662
right, obviously. left isnt bad, its just too grey knighty, and we know how the GK feel about sisters

>>53881800
You roll a number of dice equal to the models in the unit and choose which one gets removed for each result of 1, you don't roll on a model by model basis.

>We're going to bring everyone in line by doing all the indexes at once
>now watch us fuck up the balance again by releasing codexes one at a time so the rules are an imbalanced cluster fuck!

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>>53881781
I built swords for my Sisters and Sword and Board for my Custodes.

Behold my retarded beginner color scheme that I need to drybrush.

>>53881662
>Nicest sister you've ever met and twisted fucking psychopath

>>53881817

They said something about being able to hotfix indexes at any given time. If a codex is OP all they have to do is nerf the codex or buff every index.

>>53881817
>all the Codexes are still being playtested by the unprecedentedly large group of playtesters against the index rules and will continue to be balanced in the yearly points updates

>>53881818
>Behold
Literally can't see shit, try again

>>53881800
Oh nice, so killing transports off the bat seems very rewarding

>>53881793
What is releasing after codex Marines is what we can debate.

>>53881804
>MUH EVOLUTION
>dies

>>53881846
Death Guard.

>>53881833
>>53881836

And how does that change the fact that Codex armies are still going to be inherently more powerful than non-codex armies by default?

>>53881850
How?

>>53881793
>Imperium 1 is so space Marines
>nearly twice the size of every other index
>better give them the Codex first!

>>53881856

Doesn't
Just ensure you play a relevant faction so you get a codex somewhat timely

So I did mathhammer, and 20 genestealers vs 5 custodes, the custodes get absolutely shitstomped if using spears but have a pretty good chance of winning if they have shields.

>>53881866
Because it got wiped out of existence by
>a
>fucking
>bloodthirster
>just one

>>53881866
He didn't adapt

>>53881856
Anon, all codices add are strategems, psychic powers, and warlord traits. There is no more decurion bull.

Dawn of War II came out 8 years ago
Buying it with all its DLC still costs $55

Do they actually expect people to buy that?

>>53881883
Made my decision surprisingly easy. 3++ saves are bonkers this edition.

>>53881893
Well, I guess it did get 2 full-length expansions. That's something. I'd probably cut it down to $40 though.

>>53881808
Speed isn't really an issue with las havoks and the like. What I find is that people plant them somewhere and leave them in place all game to maximize firepower.

Havoks have even less reason to move as they can be placed in ruins or other structures that provide commanding views of the battlefield and give them 2+ saves

If you're looking for resilience the tanks are what you want. It's kind of a 'get what you pay for' thing.

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I love Wyches this edition.

>>53881890
It was an entire Blood Crusade and that only killed the nids on one moon.

Also in the main rulebook the other part of Leviathan that was fighting the Orks BTFO every single named Khorne character with the help of Ghazghkulls WAAAGH, INCLUDING Ka'bandha and like 234636734 daemons and the entire World Eaters legion. The only one who didn't show up to play was Angron.

>>53881893

You're going to have to if you want to play it online.

If you were never going to play it online you would've just pirated it anyway regardless of its current price.

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anyone upload the FW astartes index yet? I saw someone posting screenshots of it in a past thread but never found a full DL

>>53881869
>best selling factions since the game began with the most players that are the posterboys of the setting get most support
Gee, who'd have thunk it.

>>53881891
Who is "he"?

>>53881869

That's like saying xenos 2 doesn't need codexes because it's so much thicker than Dark Eldar section of xenos 1.

>>53881915
>i-it was an entire crusade i swear!
LOL

>>53881673
Am excellent decision.

That's all we want, Anon

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What do you think of this crap?
Too many mortars, not enough AT?

>>53881892
>Army gets strategems, wargear, relics and stuff
>Not a bonus

So what are the things to look out for in 8th edition so far?

Guard, genestealer hordes, what else?

>>53881936
This was literally confirmed in the rulebook.

I like how you also ignored the other part where that same Bloodthirster plus Skarbrand plus Kharn and all of their combined forces couldn't beat only a single tendril of the same Hive Fleet combined with the Orks.

>>53881931
Hopefully the guy yelling evolution.

>>53881960
Most everything can be used to make a strong list. The best questions to ask are "what is my faction" and "what type of list do I want to run" and start from there?
So what army(s) do you play anon?

>>53881961
>implying orks are a buff and not a liability
Too bad you filthy NPC "muh hordes" niggers are too autistic to realize that anyone that allies with you loses more than they win.

Probably the best part of 8th edition is how hard Carnac consistently gets btfo. His shitposting barely even registers anymore.

>>53881990
I still don't know how to recognize Carnac posts.

>>53881980
I play Iron Hands armored division except now predators cost too much so I mainly have a lot of razorbacks, tactical marines, and terminators. Plan on getting a land raider crusader soon.

>>53881990
Carnac hasn't been here since the "muh lightspeed travel" shit has he?

>>53881982
Say what you're saying is, one fragment of a Tyranid Hive Fleet, suffering from the LIABILITY of having Orks on their side, still managed to kick the ass of the largest Khornate blood crusade in the entirety of 40k history? Is that your argument?

>>53881957
I think the real thing to complain about is the number of space marine releases / codexes pushing out stuff like xenos, sob, or new factions to the point that where some don't even get a release across an entire edition. Like, at least bring up everyone to the current year before going ham on space marine toys.

dominions or Seraphim?

>>53882010
>the largest
>implying the next one won't be larger
>literally who the fuck is angron.png

>>53882000
Did you model your terminators with lightning claws?

>>53881980
I can't make head or tails out of the new GSC. I'd like to run at least one big ugly tyranid alongside them, but I don't know how to build an effective list with the new deployment rules and points.

>>53881999
It's easy. Somebody says something you disagree with: It's Carnac

>>53881980
Is chaos eldar a faction yet? I know crone workers are a thing in life.

>>53881999
>>53882009
he stopped posting after someone recognised him in real life due to his shitposting

>>53882025
Yeah, that's what happens when everyone and their mother who ran GSC in last edition basically had their hand held by the Decurion when making cookie cutter lists with clearly superior options.

You're just going to have to experiment and find what works for you.

>>53882021
All the build-up about Angron showing up again on Armageddon just got quashed by the new rulebook fluff. He's probably not coming out until after Fulgrim at this rate.

>>53882024
I've got a 5 model cataphractii squad with a mix of power fists and lightning claws, 10 shooting terminators with 2 assault cannons, and an assault squad with a TH+SS sergeant and the rest of them magnetized.

>>53881947

This looks good. Mortars are great. Do you seriously have that many mortar bases? I have 15 mortars out of 45 HW bases total and I was ready to become an hero by the end of painting all of them.

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>>53881960
The big thing of 8th is buff bubbles. This ain't necromunda anymore, the time of 'your dudes' fighting it out in a desperate battle for survival is over.

Instead, focus in heroes (named ones are especially powerful) to buff things beyond the limit- priests, Commissars, and commanders, captains, chapter masters, war bosses, swarmlords, autarchs, guilliman's rape train- whatever you bring you must first understand that HQ/elite character buffing is at the center of 8th ed tactics.

So big things:
>snipers, to remove characters (and thereby their auras)
>easily buffable and otherwise relatively expendable units (conscripts, guants, boys/nobs, GSC in general, etc.)
>core deadly units that benefit from buffs a lot (centurions, heavy gun platforms, etc.)
>healing units of you've got em, and a way of killing them quickly if you don't
>a vigil service for any semblance of personality in warh- ah, nevermind.

>>53882057
LOL. Keep praying noiselet cuck, you won't be getting any new models this or next decade.

>>53882018
Primaris marines

>>53882015

I'm trying to think what non-Space Marine factions GW has a track record of liking and being fond of and supportive
Aside from Spiky Marines

>>53882046
Do elaborate!

>TFW your army isn't on based anon's list builder yet

Please, I need to build my Admech

>go on warstore
>no more phone order phuckery for gw products

since when?

>>53882046
No that was Raptors anon if you're talking about the thread yesterday

>>53881999
Carnac has an asperger's driven hatred of Tyranids because he's obsessed with Chaos being muh greatest threat and gets insecure about any other villain race being more threatening. Anytime you see shitposting about how Chaos (or Tau, the other faction he loves to wank) shitting on "NPC" races like Orks or Nids, it's probably Carnac. He's the one who started the whole "NPC race" meme in the first place. Also he samefags like a motherfucker.

>>53882051
I think we'll see more mechanized cults than last edition (at least in lists that are majority cult rather than nids supported by cult). The goliath seem a much better option than they were. I'm thinking about incorporating more sentinels since they're dirt cheap, relatively durable and the scouts have a great t1 threat bubble (9" move, 9" scout, access to most guard vehicle equipment)

>>53882015

Why? That's fucking stupid. Why waste money and time on a non-seller when you can just spam more of your bread and butter? There's a reason car companies straight up discontinue certain models and move on to next year's Corolla or Camry or Civic.

>>53882000
Hmm, well, assuming you're wanting to make a competitive list you'll want the same basics any list should have
>anti-horde
>anti-armor
>anti-elite
>anti-character
>screen units
>objective grabbers.
Tacs are pretty good screens, and termies are good anti-elite. Autocannon Predators are decent anti-armor for their cost, and they can be parked on an objective and hold it for the game because of how tough they are. As a first founding legion, something like the levithan dread is a good and fluffy choice for anti-hordes, if you want to use FW. When building a space marine list, I've found that stacking buffs is of the upmost importance. Apothecaries are a great and cheap choice, and techmarines are a cheap supoort unit for a mechanized army like IH. I'd also suggest getting some bikers to run up and grab objectives.

>>53882087
Beginning of may.
https://spikeybits.com/2017/03/gw-repeals-online-shopping-cart-ban-for-american-retailers.html

>>53882075
>not immediately thinking of Eldar
Are you new or just slow, cmon man

>>53882085
As a side note, has there been an official statement about the oanger's missing damage characteristc? Am I BS 3 or 4 when I'm at 6 wounds?

>>53882098
NPC race wasn't Carnac you dumbass. It was started by the CHOOSE YOUR ALLIEGANCE shitposter

>>53881249
>being energy efficient is important
>in a world where unlimited renewable, free energy is literraly anywhere

>>53882063
I'm not too keen on using Cataphractii for melee combat. Teleporting in, 9 inches away, is a tall order to charge through, although Strategem points help a lot. However, whatever you throw them at will probably be fucking dead.

>>53882121
It was older than that.

>>53882087

Very recently.
Within the last month for sure.

>>53882108
Right now the only FW I have is a contemptor and a sicaran venator. Also one of my terminator squads is actually gorgons, and I have an Iron Father I can use as Vaylund Cal. Leviathans are pretty cool though.

>>53882068
>>This ain't necromunda anymore
It never was necromunda
>>the time of 'your dudes' fighting it out in a desperate battle for survival is over.
>can choose your warlord traits and psykic powers
>characters aren't just designed to be buffed to be unkillable
>basic infantry across the board is the best that it's ever been
You're right besides that, but holy shit anon this edition is far more about your dudes than most other editions, especially the previous one, was.
How can you be this retarded?

>>53882101
I agree on Goliaths, I don't know about Sentinels. They lost relentless so are hitting on 5's if they move and shoot, and without moving they're basically a worse heavy weapons team.

>>53882114

I know Phil Kelly spoils them, but they haven't been swamped with releases.
So yeah, I guess they work as runners-up

>>53882108

Infinity player here, this post is starting to make 40k sound like Infinity. The best list is a list with a lot of tools and dudes who can perform certain tasks better than others, whether some can flank around cover to get behind some units or sneak around nabbing objectives. And proper positioning matters.

40k could get the latter things easily by upping its standard terrain game, but otherwise it feels like tactical depth has somewhat improved beyond spamming the most powerful guns as much as possible.

>>53882140
I see. Would you mind posting what you have right now as far as a list goes?
This is for competitive stuff right? Because help building fluffy lists is an entirely different thing.

On a side note, does anyone have any stuff that talks about armies deployed by blood ravens? I need some help figuring out what's fluffy for a blood ravens list so any help with that would be much appreciated.

>>53882184

40K positioning always mattered, and always needed heavy terrain. You dumb faggots simply didn't know how to play well or properly populate a table.

>>53882168
They were the one non-Imperial Faction to get an update during Gathering Storm. They have 4 sub-factions all playable under the same umbrella keyword. They got a unique rules supplement for an individual Craftworld (Iyanden). Also I'll bet money on the fact that we see an Exodites Codex in 8th edition.

>>53882200
Generally the issue is mostly the latter.

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What colour should I do my 40k Death Guard?

These are examples of how I do my 30k guys.

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5x Plague Marines (2 with Plasma Gun, Champion with Power Fist & Plasma Gun)
5x Plague Marines (2 with Plasma Gun, Champion with Power Fist & Plasma Gun)
Chaos Rhino

I'm a little turned on right now.

>>53882075
Eldar have always been top cheese, I think Jervis has a soft spot for them.

Tyranids and Orks are the only factions other than Space marines to always have an up to date codex in every edition.

>>53882184
>The best list is a list with a lot of tools and dudes who can perform certain tasks better than others,
Technically it always was, it's just now the units work like the fluff says they do (terminators and LR are hard as balls to kill, gaunts, boyz and gaurd can drown you in men and so on) rather than previous editions "this gun is good at everything, so just take it"
>whether some can flank around cover to get behind some units or sneak around nabbing objectives. And proper positioning matters.
Yeah, GW has definitely made that a much bigger deal now.
>40k could get the latter things easily by upping its standard terrain game
What do you mean by standard terrain game?
>but otherwise it feels like tactical depth has somewhat improved beyond spamming the most powerful guns as much as possible.
It definitely has. The game is fun and balanced now, and most importantly units play like the fluff says they do.

>>53882215

Stop fucking asking if you're not going to listen to the multiple answers you're given.

>>53882226
Orks missed 6th and Nids missed 7th.

>>53882215
Those look incredible, anon. Consider doing earthtones for your 40k Death Guard -- similar to your jump pack power fist guy there, but less green and more brown/black/tan.

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Drone controller sits with drones, strike teams and broadside to use Kauyon, non homing beacon stealth team stays behind homing beacon one and ghostkeel flanks, fusion commander sets up to deep strike with homing beacon to use melta while Farsight sits back to counter charge and screen for stealth teams

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>Dark Eldar
>Thousands Sons
If i start a 3rd army, what do you anons think it should be - i like to mix it up playstyle wise

Anyone still going to use their tiny marines after primaris take over?

>>53882286
Of course! Someone's gotta represent the lolipop guild.

>>53882281
Tyranids.

>>53882144
>it never was necromunda
the point

your head

>far more about your dudes
>hey yeah, new GW loves to put out fresh new models for your dudes!
>just make sure your dudes are Adeptus Astartes™ captains, Aeldari™ heroes, or Tau™ protectors!
>or just buy 500$ of astra militarum™ conscripts for the ultimate feel of immersion!

I won't fault 8th for moving towards a more succinct and efficient game (I love it), but the last scraps of a narrative focused in any way on a thematic force of distinctly 'your dudes' is definitely being overtaken by necessary (and rather cool tactically speaking) characters and leaders.

Which again is totally fine, in fact figuring out where to place your Commissars/priests/captains/ancients is really cool.

But on the flip side, the time of the lone guardsmen holding against all odds, a dire avenger that got that one perfect shot, or a terminator that decided outnumbered doesn't mean outmatched, is without a doubt over.

We've in a sense traded balance for simplicity, which I'm okay with (SWA is always there), but the focus moving more and more towards the sleek heroism of Guilliman and away from the grim(derp) of the underhive is sad. Of course it's not new, but all the lore and models really solidify it once and for all.
I guess in a sense age of Emperor has come after all, which is good for tabletop

>>53882286

I am. Primaris don't have enough marks to look interesting so I'm going to have like 5 intercessors 5 hellblasters maybe a lieutenant or gravis captain, then rest of my army is staying as is, since I have tons of mixed FW marks.

>>53882286
I play Grey Knights, so it's not like I have a choice. Unless the =][= decides to mindwipe and ship off some Primaris to Titan.
>>53882281
>fast and hard shooty
>low-model psyker

I'd say Orkz for the melee fun.

>>53882286
Yeah... can't take Primaris Crusaders.

Relative to the size of their player base which faction is most in need of new models?

>>53882281
Get a non-NPC army on your list. How about Primaris Marines?

>>53882286
I have to, there aren't primaris versions of Death Company and Sanguinary Guard and I doubt there will be for a long time, if ever.

>>53882227

>What do you mean by standard terrain game?

By this, I mean more terrain standard. Of course, I might be under the impression that the game is played with less terrain than it ideally should be, given what I've seen in some LGSs.

After I've converted up my own dudes, I should build a shitton of terrain to correct this issue.

>>53882313

CSM, Orks, Eldar.

>>53882186
So my current collection:
A captain with or without jump pack
Terminator captain
2 Terminator librarians
Terminator chaplain
Techmarine/Iron Father/Vaylund Cal
Enough marines for 4 tactical squads
5 scouts
9 jump pack marines with magnetized arms +1 with an eviscerator and combat shield, including a set of vanguard equipment
Around 10 combi plasma marines, and 5-10 more with other magnetized combi weapons (Sternguard or 30k veterans or whatever)
Enough heavy weapons to run devastator squads of 4x lascannons, heavy bolters, and missile launchers
3 rhinos/razorbacks
3 predators
1 vindicator
1 contemptor dreadnought
1 sicaran venator

Also a guard detachment:
1 company/platoon commander
1 lord commissar
1 commissar
1 infantry squad or veteran squad
Enough flamers and grenade launchers and demo charges and shit to make a few command or special weapon squads
1 chimera
1 leman russ
1 mortar squad
1 missile launcher squad

>>53882317
You are under the correct impression. Generally, 40k games should be total clusterfucks both in terms of number of dudes on the table and the amount of shit around them

>>53882281

>Fast, squishy, amoral faggots
>Slow, very tough amoral faggots

So you need a medium speed, medium toughness army full of MORAL faggots.

gimme some basics on strategy for
8th ed orks?

>>53882331

He clearly only plays amoral faggots, so the answer would be Black Legion.

>>53882325
Oh and plus all those terminators. 10 vanilla, 5 cataphractii, 5 assault.

>>53882330

I'm a player who likes the small games with scarcely a dozen dudes per side like Inq28 and Kill Team, so dense terrain is ideal though the number of men on the board is more sparse.

This is coming from someone to jumped from 40k to Infinity back to 40k when I learned about Inq28 and Skitarii were released.

Where is the Triumphal way on Ullanor/Armageddon? Wouldn't parts of it still be around even ten thousand years later?

>>53882281
>fast, can't take a punch, enjoy the chaos that is 40k, dicks, spikes
>psyker heavy, a demi god returned to the field,
space egyptians, golems, -2 ap is their specialty

hrm, maybe skitarii/admech or something with walkers

>>53882331
Would that be... Sisters? Power armor but T3, heavy on transports and good jump unit/HQ.

How fast and tough are Tau?

>>53882330
People are going to have to get used to using more big LOS blocking terrain now. Particularly with how hills work now.

>>53882302
>>53882310
So a Melee Horde army - shame they're both NPC factions atm

>>53882331
Tau, Admech or SoB?

>>53882281
Of those two DE. I wouldn't recommend a mono-god Chaos army until a codex.

>>53882306
You're joking right?
There's no point to saying it's not necromunda, it was never even close to the your dudesness of necromunda.
>I won't fault 8th for moving towards a more succinct and efficient game (I love it), but the last scraps of a narrative focused in any way on a thematic force of distinctly 'your dudes' is definitely being overtaken by necessary (and rather cool tactically speaking) characters and leaders.
In what way? Because heros are now able to buff units? That makes it more about the dudes and less about the heroes you retard. Your dudes are intergral rather than a tax so you can take the good units. The onoy thing that's been taken away is relics and stuff like chapter tactics, but that's for the codex.
>But on the flip side, the time of the lone guardsmen holding against all odds, a dire avenger that got that one perfect shot, or a terminator that decided outnumbered doesn't mean outmatched, is without a doubt over.
>mfw
You're joking right? The lone infantry means more now than ever, only a retard would ever claim that this edition is less about your dudes than 7th "deathstar" edition.
>We've in a sense traded balance for simplicity
No, we've traded bloat and imbalance for balance and simplicity. If you're really claiming that previous editions like 7th are more balanced than 8th then you're an idiot.
>which I'm okay with (SWA is always there), but the focus moving more and more towards the sleek heroism of Guilliman and away from the grim(derp) of the underhive is sad.
No it's not. Characters, while strong, are no longer enough to carry whole armies. Only guilliman can really do that, and even then only in the hands of a genuis against a retard.

Were primaris marines a good idea or a bad one?

I wonder if new rules were really needed. I would have bought them if GW had just said "hey these are our new SM kits" - the fact that they are basically better in every way is a little insulting.

>>53882399
I've been playing DE since 5ed
and i picked up TSons since their update

But it gets stagnant quickly and i like to jump factions every few games

>>53882413
>the fact that they are basically better in every way is a little insulting.
Except there worse from a crunch perspective, only a fool would take them over marines at this point.

>>53882226

Orks seem to be not as cared for despite being around for a very long time
Nids eh

>>53882255

Looks interesting, seems like it is ready to take for a whirl

>>53882413

Good idea bad execution. They should've just been new wargear used by old marines (or by Cawl's new batch of old style marines)

Are archons as big a trap as they look?
HQ tax is the only use I can see for them. Only buff they give is other <kabal> units get their 9ld, but sslyth and ur-ghuls, which you'd probably only be taking in a court of the archon, are the only units that really get a benefit.

Kabalite Warrior have 7, their sgt 8, trueborn are all I think 8ld. So you get a +1 for taking a unit worth 54pts, if you're within 6 inches.

Main reason I see for them is you need an HQ and got a start collecting box.

I feel like if normal marines can manhandle lascannons they should be able to use primaris bolters.

>>53882413

I'm fine with them. I love the kits. Had they released them as normal marines, we'd just have a whole mess of other problems, rage, and trolling to deal with. As it is they soft-fluffed and crunched it into a not hard replacement, and hinted that things might go horribly awry in awesome ways later because this is 40k after all.

>>53882426
Oh, I misunderstood. So you're asking what is most different from those two? I'd say Nids. Maybe Guard.

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/40kg/, my little baby kitten just died today while I was at the gamestore.. I need some 40k related cutes to go along with my beer...

>>53882413
solid meh. aren't they suppose to be more resistant to chaos?

>>53882313

Space Marines

>>53882322

>Getting primarchs faster and entire army lines
>Somehow being neglected
Spiky marines are so ungrateful for what they get compared to other factions

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what do you guys think of this?

>>53882443
They aren't really a trap, but they haven't really got a place
Take them with an Agoniser+Blast Pistol and 4 SSlyth in a Venom, throw them at elite infantry and laugh since the Sslyth are monster tanks while your Archon -2/-4AP them to death

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>>53882465
Oh no :C

>stick a 4 heavy flamer Squad of Dominions in a Repressor
>move it 24+2d6 inches at the start.
>ram 5 heavy flamers+9 S6 AP1 hits in charge into conscript blob

Is there a more fun idea than a tank with five flame throwers plowing at ludicrous speed into a poor force of commies?

>>53882443
In a Ynnari list, the retinue is an incredibly cost effective and reliable way of adding more units to trigger soul burst. The archon isn't bad at fighting either. Stick an archon and 4 retinue in a venom and you've got a way to deploy six units with one drop.
>>53882443

>>53882435
any feedback on the list? Things you might change?
>>53882255
Re-asking for feedback, any thoughts?

>>53882451

They can. Cawl just didn't ship any bolt rifles that weren't also attached to an existing Primaris marine.

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>>53882465
that sucks dude

>>53882481
Everything but your drones is slow as molasses and you have almost nothing in the way of meaningful shooting. Gunlines or tanks will take that apart.

>>53882466

Supposedly. GW keeps winking that they don't know how they will react when exposed to the geneseed flaws of other, more mutated Chapters like the Blood Angels and Space Wolves.

It's possible that some make out fine without the flaw while others double-down on the geneseed curses and turn into something like loyalist Cult troops (CSM Berzerkers, 1ksons, Plague Marines...). Already the Wolfspear Chapter, a Space Wolf Primaris Chapter, seem a good deal less wolfy, though they're also not on Fenris proper.

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Is a Poxwalker army list viable this edition?

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Looks like Tyranids it is
>2 NPC factions

Oh well at least FW has some cool Bugs i could add in I really wish SoB add updated models, but alas

>Interrogator Chaplin may swap his bolt pistol for a melee weapon
>He may take a power fist
So how the fuck does he drive a bike with 2 power fists? Cant wait to make this dude kek

>>53882533

He grips the handlebars with his giant powerfists. It's the same way 30k guilliman model unsheathes his sword using a power fist. Pretty sure there's some chaplain with a powerfist holding his crozius too

>>53882499

Nothing really strikes me as terrible. You've included the mathhammered good stuff
Too early in this edition for any teardowns. No one has enough games to really do a ground up.
Gonna have to take it for a spin and learn from experience.

>>53882531
Well if you wanted Marines that are very different from KSons just pick BA or SW.

So a sternguard sergeant can swap their bolt pistol from an item from the sergeant weapon list.

That means he can swap it for a combi plasma and rock that and his special issue boltgun.

>>53882521
>Movement 4"
>No guns
>No transports or deepstrike

I'll go with no.

>>53882553
I pretty much just cut out my riptide, and am using my crisis suits as commanders since fuck paying for the commander model.
I've heard pathfinders are good but I own none.
Honestly I hope the Barracuda AX-5-2 is good and that Remoras are cheap as fuck since seekers are so shit in 8th. Also gibe that xv84 to replace my missile pod commander with a BS2+ markerlight

>>53880699
NEW THREAD:
>>53882589
>>53882589
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>>53882533
Power fist the handles obviously

>>53882580

Remora are sexy beasts. I wish we could see more shit like that from the Tau.

>>53882580
>am using my crisis suits as commanders since fuck paying for the commander model.

Lel, I thought about doing the exact same
FW will be fun to see, the XV-109 shows that we might have some good tools in there

>>53882533
you can turn power weapons off

>>53882558
yes, guns for everyone

>>53882481
Literally the worst list

>>53882594
we're on page four you fucking fool, leave it for later
>>53882597
they are, I love the FW tau flyers, if the Tigershark AX-1-0 is good this edition I'll definitely pick one up
>>53882603
the 109 looks good and I'm wondering how to convert my 104 riptide to use as one considering that it's so shit and my riptide is heavily magnetised so I can rearrange my weapons

>>53881947
Sentinels can't have heavy bolters. Cheapest option is multilaser.

>>53882680

Don't think they sell the Tiger anymore
Fortunately Barracudas look sweet, FW has AESTHETIC Tau fliers.

Might just need to be a good boy and shell out the money to FW for the good suits

>>53882306
>the lone guardsmen holding against all odds, a dire avenger that got that one perfect shot, or a terminator that decided outnumbered doesn't mean outmatched

Which edition past 2nd were any of these even remotely true?

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>>53882739
Tigershark got a new model thats inline with the new Barracuda

>>53882739
They do sell the tigershark AX-1-0 and it's in the xenos index. As for buying the 109, I don't actually like it aesthetically that much honestly, so hopefully I do figure out a way to convert it with some bits from my chaos and ork friends

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and the AX

>>53882780
>>53882792

Neat

>>53882784

Shame, I think it looks cool.
Either convert or proxy then.
Got the other big riptide cousin, 107, I think it might be a horde buster