M/tg/ Modern General

>>53879157
I wonder what all that moon says

>>53879235
the deck has a decent amount of game against affinity, but this dude just choked. he saw stony silence in the opening 7 and snap-kept without considering the other 6 cards.

I think this tournament goes to show, it helps to be good, but it is better to be lucky, and either draw like you won the lottery or hope your opponents choke. That affinity player in the finals kept the 4-card hand and won because his opponent choked and because eh drew like he was in Vegas. After all, this is a card game, and if you get enough of the famous busted affinity openers you will win every match.

>>53879368
as the saying goes, 'better lucky than good'

pretty refreshing to see a hatebears deck run 16-1-1 at a modern gp, though.

>>53879368
So I missed the GP like a doofus. What does the top 8 look like, and what did I miss?

Are the lists of the top 8 out yet? I hope Affinity winning doesnt mean they ban Opal.

>>53879368
But it is in Vegas

>>53879455
They won't ban opal. It's used in 4 decks now and banning it would leave a big void. Affinity has been a thing for years.

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>>53879445
top 8 was

>Death & Taxes
>WG Hatebears
>Affinity
>Affinity
>Affinity
>UB Time Walks
>Burn
>Eldrazi Tron

Robots beat D&T in the Finals because the D&T pilot caught a terminal case of stupid and kept 1 land, Aether Vial, Stony Silence after losing G1.

>>53879530
Man, im a terrible player and even I know that's retarded. At least there's a fellow Burnfag in top 8, though. That hardly happens and I'm always a little excited when it does.

Where the FUCK are the top 32 lists

>>53879622
who cares about the lists of 31 losers

>>53879530
The plan is probably "Stony Silence is my best card in this matchup and my topdecks are better than his" which is honestly probably correct.

That matchup is pretty terrible.

>>53879654
His decision was horrible, he decided not to mull when the affinity player was still on 7 cards. Had the affinity player kept a decent hand he would have been raped even harder.

I think he just got greedy and did not think it through.

>>53879639
People who understand the game, desu.

>>53879654
Stony silence isn't a guarantee win though, like he lost a game on t2.

Are any of the budget decks on Goldfish good, or able to be upgraded into something good?

>>53880249
dnt is as budget as it gets. Aether Vial and Canopys are the only expensive part.

>>53880249
BW Tokens is fine for FNM.
If you're buying Lillis for BGx, you can stuff her into 8 rack and do fine, although 8 rack is not good.
If you want to speculate, Humans tribal might see price increases with Ixaltan or whatnot.

Will infect ever be competitive again?

>>53880249
UW Spirits can be pretty good given how the deck can be either disrupting like Faeries, or aggressive and removal-resistant. It also has many routes of upgrade, such as Bant Company, Jeskai Flying Men (also a budget deck), and Esper Spirits. Even in UW it's still has flex slots such as Aether Vial or Favorable Winds.

8 Whack might be successful, but I am not sure. It's cheap to make and upgradge, and has a few valuable pieces that can be used in other decks.

Faeries can start off cheap and become powerful when upgraded, but it requires a lot of skill to use.

WB Tokens isn't too powerful, but it's definitely a thing.

Soul Sisters is linear as hell, but it's cheap.

Zombies isn't as aggressive as Merfolk, but the tribe gets a lot of support, so you could probably find some standard shit and mesh it with some decent Modern zombies for a deck. Tends to be resilient to removal as long as there's no RIP.

Ditto for Humans. Also works with Soul Sisters if you want to be a double Netdecking louse.

Reddit spacing because long paragraphs.

>>53880746
The mechanic still works, it just needs a new way to protect itself.

>>53880780
>Jeskai Flying Men
This deck is both boring and not good.

t. wannabe-carpet rider

>>53880796
>not riding a Mantis
You're smart, because those fuckers are treacherous!

Anyone have any obscure or undercosted decks they want to brag or yap about?

>>53880249
what deck do you want to play

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>>53880896
>>53880249
You should probably use this. Not perfect, but it's something.

>>53880955
Anon.

>poster asks for budget advice
>posts a chart with four budget options

How big is Magic in Japan?

>>53881093
Big enough that one of the largest shops started Frontier so they could run more events. Japan is really strange though. They love to brew and end up having the meta to accommodate strange and obscure tech.

>>53881051
For under $350 and a reasonable amount of stinginess, I think one could make the following. I am not sure how essential certain things are in a deck, though.
>Possibility Storm
>Faeries
>Zombie Hunt (shit)
>Seismic Swans
>UB Mill (shit)
>Bogles
>8Rack
>8Whack
>Death & Taxes
>Spirits (cut Green)
>Mono-Red Burn
>5-Color Living End
>Tooth and Nail
>Spellweaver Helix (depends on combo)

Most of it is simply cutting fetchlands and using budget dual lands as substitute. Some cards can also be replaced for budget, such as RIP/Void with Tormod's Crypt.
(Not listing the Teal Decks because they're obviously budget.)

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This combination of cards came to me in a dream. I'm doing crazy stuff but I have no idea where to go with this.

>>53881508
For reference, I drew my whole deck on turn 3.

Does Felodar guardian do anything flickerwisp doesn't?

>>53881459
>spirits cut green
Might as well not even play it then desu senpai

>>53881789
>returns card before end of turn
>"may"
>permanent you control

Please learn to read cards, you fucking standard baby.

Hey guys, is it possible for me to make a decent deck under $250 that can be upgraded? Or should I just play for a bit more and then bite the bullet and get something more expensive?

>>53881815
Thanks bitter anon

>>53881838
Just get the event deck, and slowly upgrade it over time.

>>53881838
You can do both just fine. Budget decks like 8wack, mono red burn, black devotion, BW Tokens, etc. can be built for cheap and and some of them can be upgraded over time or played while you build a meta deck.

If you go ahead and pull the trigger on a "real" deck, you'll obviously do better immediately but sometimes $500- $600 is a bit much up front.

>>53881885
Which event deck? Not that anon, but a dumb one.

>>53881926
The BW Tokens one. It was printed a few years(?) back and goes for like, $50- $60 last time i checked.

>>53881792
I play Esper Spirits (not budget), and it may not be as aggressive as Bant, or as good as Bant overall, at least in a vacuum, but I like being disruptive and having answers. Depends on the meta.

>>53881838
Burn, BW Tokens, Spirits, Humans, Goblins, or Zombies. Certain tribal decks tend to accumulate options over time.

>>53881997
It's 110 now.

>>53882012
Ouch. Well, at least it's cheaper than a meta deck. Probably not worth that price tag, though.

They really should print a new event deck every year with an unlimited print run for that year. Showcase a new staple deck and print a dumbed down version. They'd sell like mad.

>>53882012
With lands?
It's dual color. They're nice, but not essential like tricolor.

>>53880780
>>53880685
>>53880415
>>53880896
>>53880955
Thanks for all the suggestions, 'nons. I think I'm leaning towards zombies or humans because I'm a theme-loving fuck. Plus I opened my first pack in years just now and the Amonkhet Liliana I pulled seems fun if not all that great.

>>53882165
Modern humans are wide open. Check the MTGSalvation thread if you are interested. Many people run mono W, GW, WR, Bant, even 4 color variations. Personally, nothing beats the feeling of T1 Champion T2 Thalia's Lieutenant T3 Champion + another lieutenant.

>>53882260
I'll definitely check it out. Was also looking at the mono B panharmonicon deck along with those two tribes

>>53881611
I was a bit confused until I saw Seism. That's actually pretty sweet Anon.
Keep playing it and tuning it, this is pretty solid concept and it looks almost 95% like a real viable deck archtype.

What are your thoughts on Crumbling Vestige?

Any good Jeskai Control lists that run Ancestral Vision?

>>53882789
>Jeskai
>Good

You're in the worst three colors of modern. How could it possibly be good?

>>53881508
i'm pretty confused about what this deck is doing but if you're consistently drawing your deck, you can just throw in some grapeshots/lightning storms/lab maniacs
also, why no valakut?

>>53879368

Well, maybe the Hatebears guy shouldn't have kept a hand with only one land to try and draw for the land to get the early stony silence.

>>53882823
According to the top 8 of Vegas the best colors were red, white, blue and colorless :^)

>>53882898
Excuse me. The proper terminology is "generic mana"

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>>53881508
what do u think of something like this m8

>check top 8 gp lv
cool how many Death Shadow's makes it to...
>none

so is the top8 were anticipating it or the delver player were sucked at gp?

>>53881508
I just tested this a couple times and apart from being a confusing mess of fuck it actually seems like there's something going on. Add a Valakut and you basically have the Splendid Reclamation deck people have been searching for.

How many Gifts should I run in storm?

>>53884649
The real question is are you running 1 Noxious Revival to go with them?

Is it normal that Chronicles versions of cards have a bit ligther/bluer miscolor than normal cards?

>>53884656
Currently waiting for cards.

I prefer the Apostle Blessing in storm, 0 mana protection seems pretty gud.

>>53884664
The backs of the cards that is

Those Hatebear players are terrible. You're always supposed to have 4 stony silence and 2-3 kataki to consistly win against affinity.

>>53879203
My moon is weak and there's a lot to translate, but it's mostly a bunch of comments on her proportions, her costume, how to draw all of it, and how she's pretty. Some of it is from artist, some is written as if being said by a sort of onlooker.

On a personal note, dem hips

>>53884789
>You're supposed to dedicate 6 sideboard slots to a deck that has looked on the downturn for a while

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>>53884674
>>53884664
Pic related
Some of the cards also have a bit sharper corners than usual, but I don't know if that's just the quality of the cutters from then

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>>53884948
The corners in question

>>53880746
It is.

Still, the meta is : chalice+ballista/discard+push/living end+conflagrate/burn...

If you are happy to beat R/G tron, good for you.

>>53884808
Oh and the title of the pic on pixiv is basically "Thalia is cute in her black tights!"

>>53884873
That's why affinity took the fucking tournament, because fuckers always forget about it. You should always be prepared for the fastest,most unfair deck in modern.

>>53885044
Yeah no it's impossible to adequately prepare against every deck in the field. Shit like this just happens, there's no point trying to learn a lesson from it.

>>53884976
Tron runs Brutality or Path so good luck with that.

>>53880746
Not while Fatal Push is around. Back when Bolt was the king of removal you could give yourself protection. Now it's Vines or bust, and it's not good enough.

>>53881838
UW Jerks. It's like Hatebears but different colours. I can give you a list if you like. Mine probably pushes over the $250 mark but a good chunk of that is the 4 Rune Halos in my sideboard. The mainboard is pretty cheap really. Thalia is the most expensive card and I only run 3 of her. At the moment I'm sporting a positive record against some tier 1 decks at my LGS, and the deck is still a work in progress.

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>>53884808
>>53884985
So its a variation of "x is cute CUTE"

I got drunk last night and bought b/w eldrazi taxes

does anyone have data / anecdotal evidence on the different variants? (bant / gw / ect)

>>53884966
>>53884948
>>53884664
Bump

>>53879157
i've gotten the idea that blue players are a bunch of whiners,but, what other stereotypes are there for players who play certain colors/color combos? what's there to say about a jund player for example?

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Should I sell my affinty deck?

Is taking turns a viable deck? Budget version?

>>53888284
No. Affinity is performing well because of how dominant death shadow is. Death shadow is more likely to be banned.

>>53888284
don't sell unless you need to liquidate all your shit. Taking turns is good, will probably get a little worse now that people know how to deal with it. I don't really see a budget version being worth it, given that decks like burn or living end which can be made on a budget would be much more viable

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>>53888032
From an old "Night before ban list" but still good

>>53888415
what was so bad about bloodbraid elf?

>>53888349
What's the strategy against taking turns?

>>53888491
Play spells that make players draw extra cards every turn. Play extra turn spells. Draw extra cards. Loop until you've taken all the turns.

>>53888491
>>53888534
Oh I read that wrong.
Take out their card draw artifacts/enchantments. Without those extra draws they're super likely to fizzle. Or just be aggressive and win before they get to 5 mana.

I'm thinking of taking a break from Merfolk. Most of my games feel like uphill battles. They felt better during twin era. I want to build Eldrazi Tron because I already own 3 Chalices, One Karn, and a few other cards that bring the cost to just over $400. There any guides online on what to side for certain matchups?

>>53888490
Hasty 3/2 + free lightning bolt/thoughtseize/lilliana/tarmogoyf/etc = very good

made an already tier 1 deck like tier -1

>>53888490
Think about this: BBE-> KCommand. That's literally a 3-fo-1 for 4 mana.

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>>53888593
this, but also why us time dudelets need to educate one another on this super valuable and dankass sideboard tech to combat such reckless interactionfaggotry

>>53884789
stony silence, revokers, flickerwisp, path, eldrazi displacer (if you're on e/t), plenty of ways to handle the robot menace. the finalist just made a greedy keep and got rekt.
>1 land
>1 vial
>1 stony
>(cards)
is not a keep i would make with no scry. on a mull i think i would, but i'm also not under the immense pressure i perceive gp finalists to be under.

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>>53887134
i can tell you pretty much anything you might want to know about it. ask away!

>>53888491
depends on what you're playing, but the key cards are dictate of kruphix, howling mine, exhaustion and gigadrowse, use disruption on these and get an early clock and you should be alright

>>53888930
okay cool, I'm coming from a world of linear aggro/combo decks like dredge / living end so playing something this interactive is new to me. What are your thoughts on confidant in the mb, some lists run 2 others omit it. Also how often / when do you board out aether vial? Some people board out 4 in almost every match up, other people take out thalias and trim some other cards

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>>53889033
running bob hinders your ability to play multiple reality smashers. you CAN do it, but i'd rather run smashers because you're not going to out-jund jund with bobs in e&t.
i personally do not board out aether vial for any reason. it generates so much virtual mana over the course of a game that i won't hesitate to call it the best card in the deck. even if they needle it right away, you've got a free-play with eldrazi displacer as a result. just remember to tick it up every upkeep (to whatever # you want it on, usually 3) so you can flickerwisp the needle for some value later on.
taking out thalias is a valid decision though. in fact i've been dicking around with a 3-color list that runs thalias in the board.

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So I've been playing Bant Spirits in my local metagame.
>50% of the metagame is Grixis Shadow
>30% is merfolk
>the rest is pretty spread out between eldrazi, burn and scapeshift

I've been doing suprisingly well, mostly because I don't think anyone knows what my deck does, which might be to my benefit. The hardest matchups are usually against merfolk, because they do what I do better. I'm trying new stuff and want to upgrade, but I got super punished when I tried shifting to Knightfall and Counter Company.

Feel free to call me bad, but does Knightfall seem super exposed? I've tested it a lot and never got the combo. Things get bolted, pushed, seized, etc before they seem good, and it feels grindy and not very interactive when Scooze is my only hope. Counter Coco also gets messed with hard since its become so popular, and at this point, I'm jealous of decks that have answers. Also if anyone who plays stuff in my metagame has tips for sideboard stuff they hate, let me know.

>>53889374
This sounds like the most boring meta we have had in a long time. Replace merfolk with affinity and that sums is up well.

>>53889553
I like my friends that play there, and Spirits allows me to evade removal and find answers on the fly.

I know it's not as good as it was, but everytime I get hit with burn, I'm super jealous about just bolting someone's face 3 times out of the blue.

>>53889374
Knightfall isn't a combo deck, it's a fair/grindy beatdown deck with some interaction that happens to have a combo. You were most likely playing it wrong.

>>53884632
Right? Tested as well, drew the entire library and swung with two hasty titans.

Tried out 2 Summoner's Pact and it seemed great.
add Valakut or two with maybe Vesuva, a Wolfrun might be excellent too.

Idk if it's a meme or a dream, but the deck somehow works and it's amazing.

What is even the deal with deathshadow? Is it a bandwagon thing? It's not even a grossly overpowered deck and i'd argue it's not better than most aggro decks, what's up with this meme of everyone playing it?

>>53889718
You're probably not wrong. I really missed Cocoing a real answer to a bad situation (Rattlechains, Drogskoll, Selfless Spirit, hell, even Mausoleum Wanderer).

Regardless, I don't think it was the deck for me. I'll watch some more streams of it being played, see what I messed up, but I wasn't having fun which is most important.

The name's pretty rad though.

>>53889796
cheap disruption and 1 mana 4/5s / 5/5s / 13/13s with snapcasters and k command

>>53889796
it's the best fair deck in a vacuum by a mile.

think of it as legacy delver's annoying little brother.

>>53889796
It's not really that bad but it's inherently degenerate.
turn fetch+shock+streetwraith+thoughseize, turn 2 fetch+shock+shadow with a mana available, turn 3 fetch+shock+snap+thoughtseize
Basically playing a Nacatl on turn 2 with Thoughtseize backup, except the Nacatl isn't a 3/3.

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Did anyone see the Esper goryos deck at the GP?

I'm wondering if pic related wouldn't be better than griselbrand in that deck.

If you reanimate Jin-Gitaxias on your opponents turn, they have to discard their hand and you get to draw 7 before he gets exiled at the end of your turn right?

>>53890172
No.
Rtfc

>>53890242
I know that goryos vengenace says exile it at the beginning of the next endstep.

So reanimating it at the end of your opponents turn and having them discard their hand definitely works and I asume that you also get to draw 7 at the beginning of you end step because it happens at the same time as the exile effect.

>>53890172
If you Goryos him in during their endstep, yes. You will draw 7 when he gets exiled.

That card is good in the deck you're talking about, I've seen it in lists and it does work.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/19-06-17-ysg-ur-delver/

Thoughts/input on this deck? Does U/R delver still have a place in modern?

How hard is that Oketra card going to fuck things up?

>>53890530
This deck gets smashed by any grave hate. 1 RiP or Relis of Progenitus, or Leyline of the Void simply turns off your big kill creatures and by extension, your Stubborn Denials as well as your Spite of Mogis. This obviously harms your Snapcasters but that's true of any snap deck. Ijust feel like grave-hate cards put you in nightmare town, as you don't

>>53890641
Jesus this post got chewed up by mobile nonsense. Nonethenless I just don't think this deck is powerful enough in Game 1 to make its post-board fragility worthwhile. This is not a win-fast deck and people are going to be onto your gameplan before you actually kill them. The best part of this deck is probably that your Big Beaters dodge Fatal Push and Bolt.
I'm not sure if I'm overstating this issue but I think 4 mana leak is really bad here since the speed of your deck will often result in your opponent being able to pay for mana leak so your Third and Fourth copies start looking pretty bad.

>>53890716
>>53890641
Good points, what would you do to improve it?

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Does this kill burn?

>>53879157
how does boros hold up?

>>53890854
I would change up your Permission, maybe go down to 2 Leaks, and adding a combination of Cryptic Commands and Logic Knot. The latter steps on the toes of your beaters a little bit but you have Thought Scour and Fetches to smooth things out. I just dropped a single Cryptic Command from my Delver Deck but I'm in 3 colours (Grixis) so it's harder for me to comfortably have 3 Blue mana and I'm just a faster deck period.
You also have very few answers for big creatures on the other side of the board. How do you beat a resolved Reality SMasher? Can you reliably race such a thing? You have threats at 3 CMC, but can you afford to play them on curve if you end up staring down a Liliana of the Veil?
You can try Pongify to answer Creatures, since you can probably deal with a 3/3 on the ground pretty easily. Swan Song is also a great addition here since at WORST you trade a flipped Delver with the 2/2 flier you give them.

Is Possibility Storm a decent deck? Would people hate me for playing it? Or are there better combo decks that allow me to do crazy things?

>>53890507
>>53890172
You have to reanimate during your turn to get the draw 7 benefit. Otherwise Jin will die/become exiled before the cleanup step checks for Jin's last ability that says "discard down to 7 minus 7".

>>53890917
I doubt it. Time Walking yourself seems dumb.

>>53890917
>Skullcrack

>>53891120
>I can't read the card
burnfags everyone

>>53890854
I also just thought of something. Thing in the Ice might be decent in your deck post-board. If you anticipate grave-hate post board you can trim your cards that get dinked by it and bring in Thing, which doesn't need your graveyard and threatens a Creature that can easily end games.

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>>53891049
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/305858-goryos-vengeance-jin-gitaxias

If you play on their endstep you make them discard their hand, get a beefy swing in, then draw 7, then he's gone.

>>53891049
Newfriend I will let you off with a warning this time but please, stop making /tg/ look bad at Magic. If they Goryo's in their opponent's end step then the next end step will be their own, so their opponent will have to discard, and they will draw 7 in their end step assuming Jin survived.

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>>53891150
burnbro patricians you mean

>>53891150
It's still counted as gaining life dumbass. Go look up the Gatherer for that angel that resets your life total if you played it from your hand.

>Has anyone ever had their ass blown out this hard before?

>>53891158
>>53890975
Ill probably go -2 mana leak +2 cryptic

As for fatties the plan was to bounce them with vapor snag if they resolve and counter them on the way back, or use the two dismembers in the sideboard. Or just beat them with my fatties.

Its a pretty fringe plan but I dont really know what else to do without going grixis/jeskai.

Pongify is interesting, perhaps ill swap my dismembers for 2 of those in the sideboard.

>>53891150
Going from <20 life to 20 life counts as lifegain, so Skullcrack would stop that effect if it resolves.

>>53891185
>>53891218
Right, Flickerwisp has a similar thing.

>>53891150
Assblasted Timmy BTFO

>>53891232
>>53891253
>>53891285
>>53891347
baited

>>53891523
>I-I w-w-was pretending to be retarded
every time

>>53891120
>Not Atarka's

>>53891049

Even so, if you were going to lose anyway, I think taking the risk of gaining upwards of 16+ life (I say 16 because you want to be out of bolt range) is worth it against burn. Even with the lands not untapping, the tempo swing against burn is massive.

>>53890917
>skullcrack
>atarkas command
I don't think so

>>53891261
Could go Kiln Fiend, you have almost all the pieces except cheap stuff.
It's like Infect-tier right now and still quite good, just not meta right now in removal heavy environments.

http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=14032&d=283279&f=MO

Replace the Probes with a Reveler, a Faithless Looting, a Gutshot and a Stubby D, and maybe swap one of the Apostals for a second Stub. With a Breeding Pool/Stomping Ground could even add a miser Become Immense.

You can meme on kids for the price of one Snapcaster

>>53891218
>stop making /tg/ look bad at Magic
You are the real newfriend if you think that /tg/s reputation is anything but shit.

>>53880836
I was playing sky Hussar for a couple months and having alot of fun. The deck is literally just jank+aether vials and disrupting shoals. Eldrazi Tron is virtually unwinnable though. You have some game against the rest of the field and you will tilt opponents almost guaranteed.

I added grand arbiter at some point and was starting to brew a more artifact focused build when I saw the blue steel deck on a tcg stream about a month ago and that basically does everything I was looking to do. So I've moved my focus toward that.

>>53881459

Could that blue steel deck be built for under 350 touching the manabase a little bit? aka no cavern of souls?

i think i need to add more creatures to this brew im making, any suggestions? http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nissas-devotion-2/

>>53891785
Well, we don't want to make it worse than it already is now, do we?

t. guy who made >>53891049

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>>53879157
Haven't updated in almost a year, what should I add to Jund? Gimme some tweaks.
I know I need Pushes.

>>53891899
http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=183&meta=51&f=MO

or just bite the bullet and go jund/grixis death's shadow

>>53890964
its fine. good for my local meta, even.

>>53891970
have any decklists to point me to?

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>>53891108
I really like this jackal, I might try to push the limits of my deck in order to cast heavy spells.
Any suggestion for BIG FAT SPEELS for a MODERN Jeskai midrange?

>>53892257
>Turn 5 isn't too slow for a jank combo, right?

Torrential Gearhulk into Searing Wind is also dumb. However, this is all in theory. Have there ever been any decks that look bad on paper at first but are actually good in practice?

>>53879530
I'd probably have kept that too desu, you can play off vial and should hit a land, although i suppose DT doesn't have card draw to make up for it

>>53881459
merfolk is easily sub 350 even with vials

>>53890917
No, this is way worse then all other hate cards. Id rather run Timely Reinforcements for the same mana, Lightning Helix, Kor Firewalker, Feed the Clan, Obstinate Baloth etc.,
This is bad and if you get skullcracked its game over where as Kor Firewalker comes down earlier and has no drawback and Baloth leaves you with a 4/4 blocker even if skullcracked.
Also not many decks run double white mana and the ones that do would rather have Firewalker or Timely.

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>>53892257
>Any suggestion for BIG FAT SPEELS for a MODERN Jeskai midrange?
enter the infinite

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>>53892462
>Searing Wind
mhhh this is good

>>53893161
More.. More heavy spells like 7/8 maybe 10 mana. why the fuck WUR matters? I'm not gonna pay it any way let's go crazy!

Is main boarding 4 relics worth it if my local meta only gas 3 out of 12 decks that run graveyard/delve shenanigans?

I have those 4 slots open in BW eldrazi

>>53894421
First of what deck are you playing?

Because depending on the answer I would move them all to SB or maybe leave up 2 main.

>>53894510
It's BW eldrazi

>>53894615
Either keep 1 or 2 main board, move other 2/3 into SB.

>>53894421
4 Runed Halo. Thank me later.

>>53892257
What EA game is this?

Which is more fun/interactive, spirits or zombies?

>>53895149
Spirits naturally interacts more since more of them have flashing, meaning counterspells are automatically playable with them. And Spell Queller is a legitimately powerful card in a vacuum.

>>53892257
>>53893996
is sin prodder finally playable?
>big spells
>ultimatums
>time stretch
>worldfire
>enter the infinite into of fury of the horde chain

>>53895403
Personally I think it always was. It seems like a solid midrange creature to me. It's the NO U version of Bob that can also swing in for those last few points of damage due to menace. But I doubt it will ever earn a spot in a list due to bullshit like Courser of Kruphix and Tireless Tracker existing.

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Any thoughts on this list? Basically swapping the 3 stubborn denial, 2 k-command, 2 terminate, and 1 snapcaster out of grixis for 2 path, 3 LotV, 2 souls, and the 3rd inquisition. LotV path and souls seem great against the types of decks that are normally well positioned against death's shadow. Also get access to white sideboard options.

>>53895833
Where are your Kolaghan's Commands?

how playable is aristocrats now that you can run 8 blood artists?

>>53896223
It's alright as an Abzan combo deck.

>>53895866
The slot of 3 Mana 2 for one that's sometimes removal and sometimes discard is being taken up by LotV

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>>53881508
>>53884632
>>53882872
This is fun

>>53889374
>>53889553
My local meta is like ~16 players, and everyone plays a different deck. It's pretty glorious really. I think I'm on the jankiest shit with my Ponza and UW Jerks, but I still put in 3-1 and 4-0 performances.

>>53896244
Fair enough.
Also does Anointed Procession have any place in BW tokens, or too slow? Trying to get my bearings after a break.

>>53896324
WAY too slow.

>>53896316
You decide on a wincon yet?

>>53896262
>It's being taken up by a card that Grixis could run but doesn't

>>53891899
The 4 mana spells must hurt flipping to bob. Why no grim flayers to help alleviate that?

>>53896433
>He doesn't remember people playing Mardu with Bob and a Nahiri package in the same deck!
It's only like a 3% chance to get nuked from orbit, it's fine.

>>53896374
I'm very tempted by bitter ordeal but it's probably one meme too many. Kessig wolf run seems like the best choice.

>>53896478
The mardu variant with Emrakul is insane to play with bob. It's actually close to a 2% chance every turn bob sticks around, it's actually risky as fuck against slower decks.

>>53896537
>Being a pussy

>>53896392
Grixis could run it, but doesn't because the +1 doesn't fit in a deck trying to play Kolaghan's command and stubborn denial. It's stock goes up with the increased density of 1 drops, discard, and souls as well. Lingering souls, path, and LotV seem better positioned in this meta than terminate, k-command, and stubborn denial.

>>53896551
This meta? Grixis IS this meta.

>>53896573
Exactly. Path, Souls and LotV are nuts against grixis, as is the increased discard. Denial from grixis is often a dead card so that helps the matchup too. Denial looks great when it's online, but often there's enough discard to strand it in the hand, plus this style of deck want's to use all it's mana every turn and wasting mana when they don't play into denial feels bad.

Is it worthwhile to run bonepickers in Grixis delver?

>>53879157
Are angel decks good in modern?

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What do ya'll think of taking turns?
Been watching dimirspy play it on twitch and after GP Las Vegas it looks not terrible.

>>53897136
Tribal not named 'Goblins' or 'Elves' is pretty shit and even that's not T1. I don't think Fish even works in modern. You want Commander.

>>53897136
That Angel Moon meme deck with 4 Leyline of Sanctity in the main would probably be decent in this meta.

>>53897294
Got a decklist?
>>53897273
Yeah, it's looking pretty sweet and fun as fuck too.

>>53897294
sounds fun hit me up with a decklist

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>>53897350
>>53897432
This is a little old, so you can replace Celestial Flare with Blessed Alliance, and tweak it a bit. Sudden Shock was for Infect, you might be better off with Condemn for Shadows now.

>>53897545
Fuck, I thought I cropped that image.

>>53897545
yay for boros

Why do I keep running into Git Probe in decklists from 2016? Wasn't it banned forever ago?

Trying to build a budget Grixis deck atm. I know nothing budget will come close, but what would you lot swap out Kolaghan's for?

>>53897847
Painful truths can fill the card advantage role

>>53897824
it was banned in January senpai

>>53898068
Huh, I thought I remembered a ban before I stopped playing.

>>53897991
Thanks, mate. Now I just need to figure out what to put in place of Street Wraiths

>>53898144
Actually, maybe I should replace Fatal Pushes instead. Wraiths might be too key.

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turnsfags where we at

missing 2 ancestral 1 snapcaster because i'm currently a poorfag.

inb4 the fake cryptic

>>53898298
I'd replace the wraiths. Wraiths are good in the combo matchup, but push is just too efficient. Pushes will also hold value better

>>53898687
Fair. What would you ditch wraiths for? Sign in blood or something?

>>53898707
You'd have to up the land count or add more cantrips to make up for the decreased card velocity. I'd test slight of hand and maybe a way to pay life reliably like vendetta or orzhov charm

Scrub here. Is the event deck worth grabbing at ~$80?
And if so, where should I upgrade first?

No point in playing anything other than death shadow.

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Every card in taking turns is fair except temporal mastery. I will suck dick for a ban on this card.

>>53899473
I don't think I have seen anyone cast a single tarmogoyf during the last tournament, that was pretty weird.
why is this thing still at 80€ and why has deaths shadow not gone up in price?

What control players we got up in here and what yall playin? uw, grixis, jeskai w/ or w/o nahiri?

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Any one else think this is going to have a noticeable impact on modern?

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>>53899887
>uw, grixis, jeskai w/ or w/o nahiri?

Is Skred Red still a thing?

>>53887872
It's a fucking urza land. Nobody is going to waste time and money to fake urza lands. They cost like 2 bucks each.

>>53899887
Tron. That is control

>>53900173
If only it was an Instant

>>53884789
>>53888899

>Not siding a couple chalices

Chalice on 0 if you're playing first is basically an auto-scoop for the affinity player.

>>53899480
>>53898392
>miracle card
>not banning all of 8th edition and exhaustion

>>53900587
>Banning 8th edition
>Not freeing Skullclamp

>>53900611
>Unbanning skullclamp
>Not banning fetches

>>53901057
>not banning everything pre origins

>>53901130
>Not banning everything except the three or so most recent sets
>Not banning the oldest set when a new one comes out

>>53901231
You might be onto something anon.

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>play Turns for months as my first modern deck because it is fun and I can't afford fetches.
>get made fun of for playing turns because 'it is a garbage deck'
>still win store events because I am a good player
>mad grixis fags claim it is luck and it is unfair to play against tier 4 decks
>turns gets a top 8 at a big event
>now everyone is playing the deck they made fun of me for and everyone told me was garbage
>they now try and critique my list that I haven't changed in months, because they watched someone else play a version of it and they read some articles and now they are experts at MY DECK

I can't fucking win in this game. Why are there so many fucking net deckers that ruin this game. Just play a deck that you find fun and you won't feel the need to switch decks all the time, fuck

>>53897847
Nothing, modular instants are pretty much nonreplaceable because it does so fucking much

>>53897280
Fish works perfectly fine in modern, I whoop all kinds of ass playing it. It's just not exactly the most played deck, hence why it was bumped out of tier 2

>>53888415
>Team sanity against the eldrazi
Whew.

>>53897280
>I don't know modern: The post

>>53901483
To be fair turns is a garbage deck.

>>53897280
you forgot Bant spirits and Eldrazi family.

>>53901483
>Just play a deck that you find fun and you won't feel the need to switch decks all the time, fuck

How do I have fun senpai? Teach me your ways.

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>>53901483
whats ur list famalam?
i plomise i won't steal it

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>>53901605
>>53901483

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>>53901658

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Zac Elsik's Architect aggro

Holy fuck it's fun

>>53901483
I switch decks constantly because that's how I have fun. I like variety and having to constantly think; so I tend to play toolbox or control decks, or I like to netdeck really weird brews

>>53900173
It arguably kills 8rack, but that deck is dead to being with.

I don't think these anti-planeswalker cards will matter outside of Standard. We have bolt, decay, thoughtsieze and so many flicker effects that walkers are more of a nuisance than anything else.
They're only unbeatable if your hand has already been shredded.

>>53901893
Tron is the one exception, excuse me.
I doubt we'll get an anti-generic spell.

>>53900173
please print destroy target planeswalker and lose life equal to it's cmc for B at instant speed WotC.

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>>53902020
pls no

>>53902029
LOL that would be pretty great for tron, I would have 3 of those in sideboard at all times.
>>53902020
I think hero's downfall is the best we're getting.

>Want to play faeries
>No money for cliques and bitterblossoms

Never have I been more tempted to buy fakes.

>>53901483

I'm just playing Duck Hunt and watching the world burn into memes.

I don't know how this deck keeps winning. I've beaten Tron, Dredge, Affinity, and hosts of other decks that cost four times what this pile cost. I'm almost afraid to change anything in the list because it might break whatever jank-ass spell it has.

>>53902391
Does it get old? That's always my worry with gimmick combo decks

>>53902416

It gets SUPER old. It has played the exact same way every game. Turn three put down Seismic Assault. Turn four put down Swans, then spend the next five minutes churning through your deck until you win.

One time a person got cute with Blessed Alliance but I just Days Ended and reset everything.

>>53902471
Yeah, I always kinda want to try those decks then remember that I'd be sick of it after one event

>>53881459
Skred is like fucking 250

>>53892519
nah, it's more like 5 or 6

>>53901483
>ree netdeckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was on your side until then

>>53902219
>I think hero's downfall is the best we're getting.

This really annoys me. There is a 1cmc removal spell for every single type of card except planeswalkers because WotC just wants to push them as much as possible.

Completely un-excusable

>>53902562

I think, given the context of his post, he's referring to people who just brainlessly copy-paste decks and assume that makes them good builders (or in a position to criticize other people's deck-building) instead of using lists to inform their own decisions about card selections.

>>53902606
I mean mindlessly copying other decks is annoying but saying

>fucking netdeckers ruin this game

Allows me to identify him as a retard

>>53902594
which is especially retarded considering the insane amount of value that planeswalkers generate. They really need a good answer in the form of a removal spell

>inb4 pithing needle or dreadbore

>>53902471
>>53902493
This is honestly the only reason I'm hesitating on building SaffronOlive's GB End deck

>>53901483
Don't worry anon, good players know the deck is still garbage.

>>53902841
Look man, you proxy up the top decks and play them through 50-200 times and you get bored of them eventually. If it doesn't break the bank, go for it.

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>>53879157
Whats your pet deck / card for modern /tg/?

Mine's Mono-black Rats

>>53903265
BW tokens with Nightsky Mimic.

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>>53903265
Vryn's Prodigy. It's just way too much fun to use

I love Gonti too but I can't make him work as well in modern

>>53903868
What do you play him in?

>>53903920
I play him in a Grixis Control list. It's probably not optimal but he's fun to play. Flashing back simple things like inquisition or terminate, or sometimes something more fun like Rise//Fall.

I also mess around with him in Sultai colors but the support isn't there yet. I am optimistic however after seeing the Crucible on a stick creature. There is no way that isn't making a splash in modern.

>>53903981
>3 mana 2/3
I fails the bolt test but then again with push and path around does anyone care about there 3 cmc cards dying to 1 cmc removal? Because it's gonna happen.

>>53903981
http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/gw_company_with_todd_stevens.html

Here is where Magus of the Crucible goes. And by god this deck is going to be GOOD.

>>53905402
I think it could be tested in g/w hatebears also. Seems good with arbiter and ghost quarter.

>>53905735
It's too small, slow, and unimpactful for Hatebears.

>>53902562
Normally I would agree with you, but in this case it was him grieving about how people kept shitting on his deck for being original rather than going on the beaten path. Shitting on netdeckers is usually bad, but so is shitting on brewers, especially when said brewer was (supposedly) doing very well with that deck.

>>53902594
1cmc may be too cheap. A reasonably costed spell in black would be 2 cmc unconditional. Red could have a burn spell that doesn't hit players but still hits planeswalkers and creatures, but the spell would not likely see play outside of standard, assuming that spell is made in standard.

>>53902841
The nice thing about certain budget decks is that they can have paths of upgrade. Mono-Red Burn can be upgraded into Naya Burn, or sidegraded into Goblins or 8whack. UW Spirits can be upgraded into Esper, Jeskai, or its most popular form Bant. GB End has some routes one can go. Certain decks have certain flexible slots depending on what it's trying to accomplish. Conversely, dedicated decks such as Ad Nauseam (non-budget) usually don't have very many flex slots besides certain sideboard slots.

>>53903868
There was a deck that used Gonti in Modern (or maybe it was Standard), but the premise escapes me.

>>53895833
-1 fatal push
-3 liliana
-1 inquisition of kozilek
-1 watery grave
+1 godless shrine
+1 snapcaster mage
+2 orzhov charm
+2 stubborn denial

you will thanks me later

>>53905833
>There was a deck that used Gonti in Modern (or maybe it was Standard)
Mono B Panharmonicon

>>53905402
I've played this list before and it's super clunky. Often your isn't very big, you don't have a very good clock, and you aren't very good at grinding games out. I'd just build a deck with 4 crucible 4 asusa because that's the only time the deck is good. Also dromoka's command isn't modern playable and never will be

>>53907226
*your goyf

I want to make Tron and Storm miserable for $200. I have 4 Path, 2 Windswept Heaths, Remand, and Serum Visions, so they won't count against the cost. Don't count Shocklands against the cost, either.

>>53908184
Build Boros burn. Gobbo guide is at an all time low.

>>53902219
Would actually be pretty garbage in this meta. Eldrazi tron would love it if you did that.

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Some faggot at my LGS has bought bluemoon. Whats the strategy against this massive faggotry?

how does rudy have 2342354325324234 boxes and shit?

>>53908672
Play literally anything. Blue moon is only good against decks that are balls deep in three colours and has a very slow clock.

>>53908672
play a good deck? Blue moon is mediocre against pretty much everything besides b/g/x midrange

I've been playing with wescoe's gw list, and I don't understand the 1 of brimaz. Is this legit? I swapped it out for an eternal witness because it felt mediocre most of the time

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>>53903265
Pic definitely related.

lava spike is a 6 dollar card? nigga i played during champions

i could be straight balling out right now if i kept all the lava spikes

>>53908672
Spirits. For less than $150 you can make a UW Spirits deck that counters shit you don't like. Put Disenchant and/or Kami of Ancient Law to hate on Moon. Bant Spirits is better since you get access to Qasali Pridemage and can CoCo into prison-breaking creatures. Cavern of Souls also allows you to breakthrough counterspells in either deck.

Burn is also pretty nasty against Blue Moon since it's usually fast enough and doesn't care about Blood Moon.

Like >>53908866 said, only decks that lack color consistency are going to have significant trouble.

Not sure how Living End does against Blue Moon since many Living End decks do 5 colors now.

>>53909144
Its only had two printings and neither sets had massive print runs. Serum visions was the same way before they decided to reprint it in a dozen supplementary sets

What do you guys think of the current meta?

Here is a strawpoll:
http://www.strawpoll.me/13239649/r

>>53909665
the meta where I play is super diverse and it's very difficult to tune a deck against it. Just last week I played against mono-b control, skred, slivers, storm and some weird swan deck

>>53901784

I can go without cavern of souls, right?

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>>53909082
muh

>>53910058
man i got a hard on for all the angels man

Honestly I just want Splinter Twin unbanned at this point. I didnt even play the deck nor did I really like it that much but it filled an important role in the format by being a slower paced reactive deck that could fight decks like Affinity and friends but also had a combo so they could shit stomp Tron. I am so fucking sick of Tron its such an obnoxious deck, that boils down to play Burn/Affinity/something fast or lose to them. You could play other decks and try to win but a huge % of your sideboard and even some mainboard cards would have to be used to help make that matchup winnable. I just want Twin to come back and be the police and throw Tron in jail because at least you can interact with Twin through Thoughtseize, Liliana, Fatal Push, Path to Exile, Abrupt Decay, Rending Volley and a fast clock.

Zombie tribal or UR Delver?

>try out bob in eldrazi dnt
> -4 from tks
> -5 reality smasher
> gg ;_;

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>>53910366

>>53910435
was curious since it appeared as a 2-of in a couple lists. I ran reality smasher as a 1-of since there are a lot of fair decks in my meta.

>>53910546
Out of curiosity, how necessary are the temples? I wanna run Eldrazi, but a playset is just a bit too much for me right now

>>53910058
She just feels so GOOD, you know? Big ass, evasion+firebreathing, protection from Path and Snag, out of Decay and Push range, easily abused with Morph. If I ever tried to remake Lark or some other Standard deck for funsies she'd be in for sure.

Too bad those decks just aren't good when people try them. The clock's just too fast anymore.

>>53910612
you might as well just run hatebears if you don't have them, they're essential since the only other way to cast eldrazi is ghost quarter

>>53910612
100%. The deck is incredibly worse without it's painless ancient tombs

>>53910632

could something based on morph + flicker work for her?

>>53911137
Monowhite flicker runs her for that reason

>>53911137
She's a spicy one-of in some D&T lists, but at her heydey she showed up alongside Momentary Blink, I ran at least two of her as long as the strategy was in Standard. Yes, even in Pickles, which in retrospect may not have been optimal but nobody expected her there.

>>53909055
It's his pet card, brimaz is win more. Witness, tracker, crusader, or even courser/rallier are probably better.

For a while I played one tracker one courser. It probably wasn't correct but it felt like being the mayor value town.

Speaking of value is anyone playing saheeli in modern? I've been toying with a 4c evolution list but it needs work.

>>53911137
I actually spent a few minutes working up a list based on the GR Snow Ramp decks that were popular at Worlds NY. The plan was to use Into the North and other land-based ramping, disrupt with what LD was available, and finish with a Bogardan Hellkite or an Akroma.
4x Sakura-Tribe Elder
2x Eternal Witness
4x Avalanche Riders
2x Akroma, Angel of Fury
2x Bogardan Hellkite
4x Utopia Sprawl
4x Skred
4x Stone Rain
4x Harmonize
3x Garruk Wildspeaker
4x Plow Under

Received wisdom though is that Ponza is no good in Modern, and your real hope here against fast decks like Burn is that they'll run out of gas thanks to a Plow Under so you can beat them to death in the air. So this build, while faithful to the original, is probably shaky.

>>53901705
source?

been thinking about coming back to modern from legacy land

how's Gx Tron doing

>>53913332
i dunno but eldrazi tron is a thing.

>>53913332
G/B Tron - can strip hands and gain you a bit life
W/B Tron - You can be sure that DS won't be swinging with 2 or 1 mana open with any of your rocks on the table

Can you aether vial in thalia in response to a spell force spiking them?

>>53914049
Is that a serious fucking question? Where the fuck is GA?

>>53901483
>REEEEEEE NETDECKERS
>plays taking turns

lmao

>>53905833
>being original

Oh excuse me, I didn't know that anon was the first to play taking turns

>>53905833
Can GB Zombies be expanded/upgraded at all, or is it at a dead end?

>>53914137
whats a netdecker?

>>53914232
It's some who utilizes the internet to find decklists to play. Anybody who doesn't is a fucking idiot honestly. Even if you don't look up highly optimized decks for the format you want to play, it a great way to find fun casual decks that super cheap. Between that and the bullshit you come up with your own, there are always different decks to play

>>53914408
oh, so it isnt a bad thing

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DID SOMEBODY SAY NETDECKING?

>>53914226
Zombies has many options, not just from Amonkhet and Innistrad, but I don't know what reliable upgrades there are.

>>53914049
Costs don't apply to spells that have already been cast.

>>53914479
It is to some people who have their heads up their asses. The people who legitimately uses it as in epitaph is usually an autistic fuck who thinks they are the best deck builder and pilot ever. Their home brew totally wipes all those Tier 0 netdecking tryhards at every weeks fnm

desolator

>>53914557
so netdecking is a good thing but there is a group of brewers that think its awful

ok.

>>53914557
What did you just say? My super secret cluestone sac deck can beat every filthy netdecker.

>>53914583
netdecking is boring, other than that they're just more prone to error.

>>53914557
Or they're extreme oldfags.

>need chalices to upgrade to eldrazi tron
>need snapcasters + blue fetchlands for grixis deaths shadow
>would have to tear affinity apart to play bluesteel

Fucking hell man I wish chalice wouldn't be tarmogoyf-price level.

>>53914706
I wish they would ban chalice.

>>53914706
But you don't need the UR fetch for grixis.

Hell, before I upgraded my UR lists with those I just ran other Red or Blue fetches.
If you have enough shock lands they can hit you should be fine.

HEY HEY HO HO 40 DOLLARS LANDS HAVE GOT TO GO

>>53914912
Don't you have a baconator to be cooking lowlife?

>>53914912
Phew, Scalding Tarn is safe.

>>53914865
I have wooded foothills and bloodstained mires, so I need polluted delta still. I just checked, a playset snapcaster and a playset polluted deltas would be around 260€ together.. also need steam vents so around 270€, but other than that I have everything.

>>53914980
HEY HEY HO HO 40 DOLLARS+ LANDS HAVE TO GO

>>53915159
>Allowing the secondary market to control the banlist
Yes this is a flawless idea.

>>53915208
>go only means ban
get this hot head outta here

Are any of the budget options in here a good place for a scrub to start up?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/4icokv/my_list_of_100_budget_modern_decks/

>>53916145
>>53916145
>>53916145
>>53916145

new bread