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Is a Warboss in Mega Armor a silly idea?

I plan to run him with the Boyz and he'd be moving an inch slower but the model would look pretty cool.

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Second for Slaanesh

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So how do my fellow Blood Angel players feel about 8th?

So far I love what they did with Mephiston, the fact his sword just automatically makes him S 10 and he has a 5+ save against mortal wounds is huge. The Sanguinor is not as buffed as I wished him to be but he is certainly much better than he was 7th. It's gonna be a goal for me this year to make a Sangunary Guard themed army with priests and The Sangunor leading the charge.

Death Company is disappointing as it seems they got nerfed pretty hard. 4 attacks on the charge with Black Rage and Chainswords also now a 6+ FNP save. It seems mandatory now to take a Chaplin, or Astorath/Lemartes with them. Also what the fuck happened to Death Company Chaplins?

The Death Company Dreadnoughts are beastly as well as the Furioso, and Furioso Fists are amazing. Baal Predators are awesome now, 12 shots with the Assult Cannon coupled with with 6 shots with the heavy bolters means max Dakka.

Tatical Flammer Squads are pretty meh now though seeing as they cost more. Other wise I think the changes are alright.

>>53877984
>generic gray human clothed doing boring dance
>pleasing Slannesh

Weak bait.

>>53877953
Cool is always greater than function. If you think it will look cool, thats all that matters.

Alright fellow xenos players, what are you hoping for from the forge world index on Friday? Personally I'd like to see the Tantalus be really nasty in close combat to reflect its 7th edition self

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Still need a few spots replaced to bring us up to speed for the new edition

Are there pdfs of any of the books other than the Imperial Armor chaos index?

It seems weird to me that that one came first before even the core rulebook.

>>53878373

I know this isn't going to happen, but I want a cool superheavy walker for my necrons so I can play with the knights, wraithknights, and stompas.

>>53878373

R'Varna is Tau's horde pummel-er or some other useful role filler.
Manta and Taunar stats are absurd, I'm not buying either. I just want to admire numbers.

>>53878409
Yes, literally all of them and they are in the leaks mega link.

Unless you are talking about FW indexes. Chaos (and apparently Imperium) has been leaked but that's it.

>>53878436
>literally all of them and they are in the leaks mega link.
The actual pdfs or the leaks that was the store owner photographing each page of his books?

>>53878391
So is the free space supposed to be a trap or something?
I thought traps were supposed to look good.

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FORGEWORLD IMPERIUM LEAKS
https://mega.nz/#!5TZzTZJC!f2gNSq_zBvO1hGoMboFMtalYvX38FJPiW9hRp75jH2A
>FW LEAKS

>>53878425

Gigantic Canoptek spider mech with lasers everywhere when

>>53878517
It's one of the girls in the rulebook that people were raging over for some reason.

>>53878391
I play a psyker army ( Thousand Sons) Smite spam is sweet

>>53878556
Christ our hobby is filled with retards.

>>53878548

I would buy the shit out of that.
It would probably be a bitch to transport, but fuck it.

>>53878566
In matched play you can only cast one of each psyker power per turn.

>>53878583
Just make it like a mecha Trygon. Give is S T 8. 20 wounds. 3 twin gauss flayers. Some kind of mouth mega beam.

>>53878619
Except smite, thats once per psyker

>>53878631
my bad

>>53878570
Same could be said of every hobby.

>>53878631
I'm still waiting for the day smite spam becomes a legitimate thing just so random 40k discussions can be interrupted by someone screaming "SMIIIIITE"

Reposting
Piranhas are 71 PPM with gear
Basically have Assault 12 range 18'' Str 5 AP0
Move 16'' BS4+ T5 W6 Sv4+

Piranhas look like a good source of fast dakka for Tau

>>53878425
No idea what kind of giant mech they'd use, Crons don't seem like the kind to use them since they're already robots.
Then again, Tau are now all wtf I love titans now so who knows

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So how's an all Dreadnought list look for 9th edition?

>>53878725
8th I mean

Did Tau really get nerfed hard this edition /tg/? At the 40k meet up today we had a Tau player that kept bitching about how unplayable his faction is now.

It was amusing to watch.

>>53878765
A Riptide now costs ~260 points in matched play

>>53878725
Slow and boring, bring deep strikers like Terminators, units in drop pods or jump pack marines to aid in getting to things that the dreads may not be able to and add more dynamism to your army.

>>53877953
Bike boss with killsaw is cheaper and can zoom around as needed for the aura.

>>53878765
They aren't unplayable, you just can't spam riptides and expect to win anymore.

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First game coming up, how's this list?

>>53878774
But what if I don't want any of that pussy shit and just want to run paraplegic grandpa walkers?

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>>53878391
>Modeling Disasters
>Picking me out in particular
Feels bad

>>53878787
> no spamming riptides
But that's all I know!

>>53878802
Unless you were posting shitty models back in 6th edition then that doesn't apply to you. The image that that is trying to replace is old as sin.

>>53878765
>Did Tau really get nerfed hard this edition /tg/?

No, every army got toned down in comparison to 7th ed where the power creep got out of control. Respective to that Tau are fine, their focus is now Fire warriors, suits and Broadsides while the Riptide isnt such a big deal anymore and wont carry you to victory.

Tau are fine.

>>53878792
Dreadlets get out.
Chad dreads inbound this fall.

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>>53878725
I play Blood Angels and so far I would say not good. Dreadnoughts are powerful for sure but they are also expensive, at least 25-30 point increase to they once were and around 100 points more for special variants (in my case Death Company and Furioso Dreadnoughts are around 100 points more than they once more. Though I digress, stronger.)

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>>53878819
Nah, im just self depreciating. Never satisfied with my work.

>>53878824
Riptides are fine, they are in an army that has neither psychic powers nor real CC units. For optimum strength, it's ruleset requires a gamble for Nova reactor, which has a 1/3 chance to wound the unit every single turn. Also requires the use of markerlights to maximize it's average shooting. I've seen a couple of posts of people saying the 'scour' ML option (ignores cover) is 1 marker light. It's actually 2. Twice as hard to pull off as naysayers claim.

In my experiences of playing with Riptides, the Riptide Wing was undoubtedly the poorest showing of the unit. The double attack option doesn't kill as much as you think it should and not moving a turn, to pull it off, can cost you the game. Also, you generally need to balance out every monstrous/gargantuan creature with some decent amounts of MSU units or you will eventually get worn down/shut down in the later parts of the game. Even in an army of giant robots, MSU/copious wounds still matter.

But please, don't just take my word for it. Any time another whiner about Riptides shows up, clear, empirical evidence is usually the best form of persuasion.

So I present to you a Frontline Gaming video, a supposedly "competitive" list of the Riptide Wing and 2 Stormsurges, getting basically TABLED by Space Marines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Op5ovJHIE8

Are Riptides too strong? Well, the evidence of this video conclusively proves they aren't.

>>53878765

Nerfed but overall status is hard to determine since people have to consider other army compositions they wouldn't have before due to Riptide wings.
Riptide now though hopped from OP straight to bad.
About 350 pts for a 3 shot plasma gun with long range basically.

Anyone able to get those epubs printed? It failes halfway through converting it in Calibre for me

>>53878792
Then acquire dreadnought drop pods.

>>53878773
>>53878787
>>53878824

Ah, it all makes sense now as this fag normally brings 3-4 Riptides for every game he plays.

>>53878765

If he doesn't have the models to make a WAAC 8E Tau list that just means he was a 6E/7E WAAC bandwagoning faggot who only owns Riptides.

Everyone that played Tau from 5E and earlier will have competitive lists.

>>53878835
What if I plan to play open and narrative almost exclusively because the Tau and Eldar WAACfags at my store vowed to never play the "casualfag version"?

>>53878839
You should feel ashamed that looks fucking horrible.

>>53878874
Go for it I guess. I haven't played my Dreads yet but from what I have seen they look buffed with their costs also increased. So maybe they "balanced."

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>>53878899
Thats what im trying to say!

>>53878874
Then you will be fine.
If you are playing people you can have a reasonable discussion with, then every army is fine versus every other army

>>53878862
I've been out since early sixth and I was a templar only, footslogging force but from what I've been able to keep up with, 8th basically made it so that Tau actually need to use tactics instead of just spamming 2-3 overpowered units.

I'm also glad that detachments are gone because the idea of getting a couple hundred free points of transports left a bad taste in my mouth.

>>53878915
Well then you are correct. Your stuff looks shit to poor/extremely Mediocre.
I would feel bad about what you are about to do to that forge world model.... then I remember most shit painters just get China Cast anyway.

>>53878899
>>53878839

Don't listen to him anon, I like your monolith.

>>53878929
>>53878908
I played a small game with my Deathwatch and absolutely wrecked a helbrute in one round of combat with my dread. It made me want to try an all dread list, plus I have some old eaby dreads that need stripping.

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Any thoughts on this list?

>>53878975
If you want, try and build one for a gimmick list you do for fun.

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>>53877798
For Vostroya!

Is there a reason GW only does e-books via iTunes?
I'm unlikely to change my phone purely because they only sell their e-books for one platform, so I'm just gonna pirate instead.

So, are Deathstrike Missiles still shit or no?

Not really planning on doing a competitive list with them but figure I may acquire some for a fun, fluffy list.

>>53879015
Yeah they're bad. Arguably even worse than they used to be.

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Updated from previous thread, better than other version

>>53878915

I always liked this model. I don't know how I keep forgetting it exists when it looks so cool, but then again I only play attention to marine shit.

>>53878988
>3 sets of 7 Plague Marines

Me and my sets of 9 Rubrics approve of this.

List looks fine and pretty well balanced. You don't have a huge amount of anti vehicle/monster but I think you'll be ok

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I've seen/heard some people claim that normal Marines can be "upgraded" to Primaris Marines in lore, but I haven't actually found a source for that beyond some Primaris having service studs (which, considering they've been in action for about a century, doesn't mean much).

Does anyone know where that comes from? I'd like to know because I'd like to fluff my homebrew chapter as going through the modifications to become Primaris, but don't want to actually do it if it's not actually possible.

>>53879013
>We recommend Apple iPads and iPhones for the widest compatibility. Many of our eBooks are also compatible with most Android devices and computers, though you may need to download additional software. Please note that Enhanced Editions are only compatible with Apple devices.

>>53879022
Well shoot.

Thanks for the response.

I remember seeing a blurb about them posted and it sounds like, while they hurt when they hit, they now have a harder time even launching than before.

>>53878956
There is no way they are being serious. Just playing along with my self depreciation.

>>53879044
Oh, whoops.
I was looking at the enhanced edition. Cheers.

>>53879027
It is a blinding nightmare of sadness and difficulty to build. Its fun to use in game but to build it is a horrible experience.

>>53879042

You better not be that faggot who was shitposting by constantly demanding a source for that very same question, then refusing to acknowledge all the sources people provided.

The source is May 18th live chat on GW's official stream.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/05/40k-8th-qa-part-deux.html

>>53879042
GW told us themselves during one of the preview Q&A livestreams.

>>53878208
I personally think its a lot better aside from the flamer cost increase and that heavy flamers are now considered a heavy weapon. The fact that melee is actually a thing this edition really helps since BA are considered a more melee focused army.

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Playing IG against Death Guard 1000pts, is it normal to outnumber them by about 2:1? He had about 40 poxwalkers, 7 marines, a hellbrute, a drone, and a few characters. I had close to a full infantry platoon, a command tank, another russ, a basilisk, and vets in a Chimera. Blew him off the board by turn two thanks to decent tank rolls and FRFSRF, now he's saying Nurgle is the worst army in the game. Is Nurgle stuff just overcosted, or are Guard firing lines really good?

>>53878791
Any advice?

>>53879032
I realized I can use the remaining points fro the Sorcerers Combi weapon, and then I was considering reconfiguring so the Rhinos have Meltas but I kinda expect heavy infantry in my area.

>>53879055
No anon I really like it! I think it looks much better than the standard black with green-highlights monolith! Don't succumb to despair!

>>53878391

I play grey knights and I think they're legitimately fine against most other armies.

Because you know what? Everybody is going to have issues with green tide

>>53879025
>oh no my OC might not be noticed

>>53879075
Sounds like he took to many Poxwalkers with no substance behind them. Deathguard seem expensive but are generally very tanky

>>53879089
I'd stick with what you have then. May the Great Corrupter bless you with virulent victory.

>>53879052
Yeah it takes ages to fire and then does 5 mortal wounds on average. You have to find ways to buff it and your opponent needs awful positioning.

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>Eversor assassins are 70 points
It's time

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Chances of this shit getting 40k rules in our lifetime?

>>53878208
I actually really like lemartes and astorath, so i'm fine with a more reasons to run them. Was a bit pained that we can't put death company dreads in drop pods anymore though :(

>>53879147
Never.

>>53879075

Yes, but you should outnumber him by at least 5:1 if you are playing competitively.

>Is Nurgle stuff just overcosted, or are Guard firing lines really good?
Guard are easily the most OP army of 8th. There's obviously a lot of talk about their most broken units, but pretty much everything in their list is OP as fuck.
Units that have been dogshit since 3ed are now rape machines.

>>53879075
>40 poxwalkers and ~12guns
Well your friend sucks at list building but are you sure he brought 1000 pts?

>>53879075
His list sucks. when literally all your frontline gets no saves against a bunch of lasguns and you only have 7 marines its gunna be a bad time. What did he do with the brute and drone?

>>53879075

Guard are really good, Death Guard are fine. He went full meme with pox walkers and expected that to carry him. Probably hide Typhus.

Plague Marines are a really reliable way of having 8 tough as shit expendable wounds between enemy fire and your special weapons that do most of the lifting. Pox walkers wont do it by themselves unless you take 300.

>>53879075
>now he's saying Nurgle is the worst army in the game. Is Nurgle stuff just overcosted, or are Guard firing lines really good?
Guard is the best army in the game, their stuff is just undercosted.

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What you'll think to this army it'll be fighting Blood Angels.

>>53879025
Genestealer slut? The hell did I miss being a productive adult?

>>53879147

Just use them as Primaris marines faggot

>>53879187
Some attention whore with a bad dragon dildo or some shit. Don't talk about it. Attention is what they want.

>>53878548
naw, it'd be an EVEN BIGGER centipede. Hopefully actually good for once

>>53879160
I remember when the indexes got leaked and every guardfag on here was complaining about Leman Russes.

wew

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>>53879002
Got any more pics of your army, anon? I love Vostroyan Firstborn

>>53879182

If he has a flyer and kills your storm talon you're essentially done.

>>53879147
best helmets

>>53879025
>TSons players on suicide watch
That stings

Is there any use to an archon beyond HQ tax?
Succubus/Haemonculus seem better due to actually assisting units they're near.

>>53879144
Hmmm, alright then.

I may try and work only one into a fluffy list then with some guys to guard it.

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>>53878548

>>53879025

Top row is retarded as fuck, it's like guaranteed bingo.

>>53879182
>pwr

Anyone run Kharn yet? Is he worth the points?

>>53879147
God they look so shitty

>>53879232
He's a glass cannon, he can't take it, but he can sure dish it out.

>>53879210

Yeah, I think they were complaining about the battle cannon being nerfed, because it was one of the first former blast weapons revealed.
In actuality, pretty much all blast template weapons were nerfed.
Which ironically, was another buff to IG spam units.

>>53879205
I don't see a bulge but this looks too masculine to be a real grill

>>53879210
Remember when the Orkfags were crying too?

Apparently only Nidfags have the ability to judge an army based on the rules since they were the only ones of the three top tier 8th races masturbating wildly;

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>>53879248
fuck off stop giving this faggot attention

>>53879152

Astoraths Mass of Doom looks really cool and I am glad he has something like that cause it adds flavor. Him accompanying a 10 man squad of DC marines with a Thunder Hammer and a few power weapons could be incredibly deadly.

>>53878538
Come back with something decent.

>>53879240
Hows it feel to have the worst taste possible?

>>53879248
>>53879258
>people still think gscg is a trap

So has anyone posted the Thulsa Kane statline from forgeworld?

He's the last remaining brutal marine from Badab part 2

All Dreadnoughts should be okay as despite being slow, they have good shooting to do on the way towards objectives. I'd definitely want to add in some sort of teleporting or jump pack assault or a fast element like bikes or whatever.

>>53879279
I don't think anything about that person, trap or otherwise. Anyone who is trying to get attention in the 40k general by posting their naked body is a fucking faggot and should be permabanned.

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>>53879072
>>53879068
I'm not, and thank you. I was just wondering where the claim came from.

>>53879286
What about a Grey Knights army with mostly dreads backed up by the inceptors or whatever the teleport backpack guys are?

>>53879290
The picture is like 4 weeks old anon.

>>53879086
you need to provide more information fucko

>tfw you will never have a Vostroyan force with allied Mechanicus, Knights, Marines, and Inquisition retinue

What chapter would best go with Vostroyans?

>>53879314
Then let's stop posting it because it has nothing to do with little plastic army men.

Please someone post a converter or a converted PDF :(

>>53879075
>>53879170
Brute had lascannons and a missile launcher and spent two turns blowing up my Basilisk before my command vanquisher turned him inside-out. Drone flew up, shot a couple infantry, then got charged by my Chimera and spent the rest of the game in melee.

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>>53879328

>>53879168
He said it was 925, when I told him to fill the rest of it he said he couldn't afford to take anything else.

>>53879331
>then got charged by my Chimera and spent the rest of the game in melee
It fucking Flys, why did he leave it in melee with a Chimera. Sounds like he's just shit at the game.

>>53879350
Yeah.

The new DG Stuff has 0 upgrade options so I'm not surprised.

But he could of at least brought a rhino

>>53879326
Someone asked what they missed and I informed them.

>>53879316
Expecting to face Guard and Space Marines tomorrow, testing out the new edition. My plan is for the Berserkers is Rhinos to make a rapid approach while the Terminators pop in either when they hit the enemy line or else are in danger of getting wiped out.

>>53878792
you'll have terrible board projection and no real way of taking objectives

dreads are great, but you need guys to contest/control points if you actually want to win some games

>>53879265
Yeah, i'm looking forward to getting to run him. Gotta put my tac marines together since my group doesnt do unbound and we still can't take assault squads as troops :(

>>53879384
What if I'm just playing Annihilation in Open?

What are the rules for fielding FW stuff? I am curious because under the BA and DA faction rules it says "units not listed below cannot have <BA> <DA> faction keywords"

>>53879378
might work against space marines
however
guard will destroy your vehicles, then whittle down your berzerkers as they are forced to footslog. The terminators will get tar pitted then probably killed by vehicles. Though, with the sorcerer helping, maybe not.

>>53879392
do something more worthwhile with your time, like watching paint dry or licking your nose

>>53878391
>conscripts
>trannies v /pol/ shitposting
>laughincheetah.jpg
>leviathan Dreadnought
>1k sons still bitching
>>>>>>>>>>>power levels
>dude marinelets lmao
>

What else?

I just screenshotted the ePubs, combined everything into PDF in Acrobat and cropped/bookmarked them in the application.

Normally I just use the ePubs because they're great, but for some reason the ePubs don't work on my iPad and only in iBooks on my desktop.

Also I'm not sharing my bookmarked PDFs, you lazy fucks can do it yourselves.

>>53879412
Already covered all those except leviathans >>53879025

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>>53878208
>So how do my fellow Blood Angel players feel about 8th?
S'okay. Lotta mixed feelings.

Good
>Most named characters seem a lot better
>No more LOW Chapter Masters
>New units
>Heavy Flamers in Devastator Squads (could be wrong here, but I don't think I am)
>Assault Cannon Baal Pred seems semi decent now
>Plasma Pistols finally viable
>Lemartes seems pretty useful
>Non-Supercharge Plasma seems very good
>Changes to Unwieldy weapons seem nice

Bad
>Lemartes still not an HQ
>Tycho and Corbulo still pretty iffy
>No Tartaros or Cataphractii (WHY)
>No Land Speeder Storms
>No Meltas on Assault Squads
>DC lost a few attacks, their FnP got worse, they're no longer Fearless
>Supercharged Plasma seems very bad (instant death rather than a mortal wound blows)
>No Chapter Tactics yet (I know they're almost certainly coming, but w/e)
>Seth locked to Flesh Tearers keyword (move to Mixed if Flesh Tearers get their own Chapter Tactics)
>Flamestorm Baal Pred seems trash since lol8inchrange
>Changes to Heavy Weapons, Vehicles, and Fast Vehicles seem bad

Mixed
>changes to Sanguinary Priests/Novinates
>Black Rage FnP nerfed from 5+ to 6+, but now DC Dreads get it too
>Death Masks seem a little bit more useful now, but cost twice as much
>Hefty price hike on Dreadnoughts of all flavors (but increased survivability)
>Sternguard get a good all-rounder boltgun instead of special ammo, but can no longer strap a combi-weapon to said boltgun.
>Van Vets might have a role?

Slapping Sniper Scouts onto my Primaris, I can afford camo cloaks, or a missile launcher. Which would be the better pick?

I'll run both when I expand, but right now its either or.

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>>53879365
>>53879370
Maybe. Even so, I'm kinda disappointed about having picked Guard now. I started buying in halfway through 7th just to build and paint because I like the tanks, intended to play some in 8th, but I don't want to be seen as a WAACfag with my armor and artillery pieces. Is there any hope?

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>>53879211
Yeah but I mostly take game photos. Pic related is the most completed picture I have of the army but I've painted more since.

>>53879427
Oh, forgot

>three same lists being posted every fucking thread
>people hating on random armies out of nowhere (@deldar and Admech)

>>53879444
camo m8

>>53878725

Looking pretty great, you should be able to fit roughly 20 dreads in 2000 points, and as long as you take plenty of assault cannons, heavy Bolters and heavy flamers you should be fine.

Bit slow, but what can you do? Biggest loss is that the Lucius pod is garbage. I'm thinking about maybe getting a Stormraven for larger games to dump my leviathan into awkward positions.

Do we know anything about the Raptors' religious beliefs?

I'm always a fan of pro-GodEmperor marines (Fire Angels for sure, I think the Black Templars, maybe the Red Scorps and Minotaurs, several other chapters although a minority of the total) more than the fedora tipper marines, myself.

>>53879460
Well first of all, even if you're playing the best race or one of them, the disparity in power between top and bottom is much smaller than it was in 7th. Also there are units that aren't as OP as others so you can listbuild to avoid the really bullshit stuff.

And then there's going to be the yearly balance updates which should fix things for everyone, too. Also Death Guard have a Codex coming and that will probably completely change things for your friend.

>>53879444
camo, so your snipers can get a +2 armor save in cover

>>53879319
The Red Sickles

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Yo, are loyalist Knights in the index?

The Atropos and Styron look pretty beastly if there's a loyalist version

>>53879393
The Forge World Indexes are in preorder now so we'll know pretty soon. You can get an idea of which units will be in it since they posted the ToC on their site.

>>53879460

Right now, a tank heavy army would likely be your best bet for non waac guard.
The more infantry you have on the table, the more OP your army will be.
Thanks not to say their tanks are bad, they're good, but not broken.

>>53879412
Slaanesh /r9k/ discord guy

>>53879460
Yes, like I said your friend just sucks at list building
If he's bringing that many Pox Fuckers he needs Typhus

If he'd brought Typhus to buff the Pox Fuckers he'd have done so much better because they become S4 T4

>>53879500
Vostroyans are Tsarist, not filthy godless commies

>>53879494
Thank you anon, and everyone who replied, it's a big help.

Do GW Knight heads fit FW Knights?

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>>53879434
Lemartes is an HQ tho

>>53878765
Tau look kinda unplayable without Fire Warrior spam, which is lame because when I came off Khorne daemons onto Tau it was because I wanted to play Farsight and run an elite force rather than my horde army.

Oh and of course model count is shot to shit: Even if I nut up and play suits I have to leave a solid half the army I used to have on the shelf.

Basically Tau are fine... So long as you like a specific playstyle.

>Ha ha WAACfag

I own exactly one Riptide and didn't use it in most games.

Is there a 3rd party company that makes giant Genestealer heads? I want to make a Hive Tyrant that looks like a "Genestealer Lord" like something above a Broodlord that fits my Hive Fleet's theme of being centered around 'stealers

If there isn't, does GW make anything like that?

Okay, I'm just getting started with 40k.

Fought my way through sweaty man flesh at my local GW store yesterday to buy Dark Imperium box. Spent today building space marine models.

What's the most economical way to buy paints? I've done some warship modelling in the past, but painting system seems very different.

Should I just by a GW pack like the Ultramarine one for $90?

>>53879407
Terminators are kitted out as vehicle-killers and with Warptime almost always make melee on the turn they arrived. What works well against Guard at this point level?

>>53879434
I agree with most of that but...

>Assault Cannon Baal Pred seems semi decent now
>Flamestorm Baal Pred seems trash since lol8inchrange

I think the AC Baal Pred is at a really good spot. It sucks that Flamestorm Baal is still trash but my philosophy on Flammers on vehicles is that they should only be put on transports like Land Raiders.

>Death Masks seem a little bit more useful now, but cost twice as much

This is pretty much worth it as moral tests are really important this edition. Worth the cost.

>>53879485

>Roughly 20


Holy shit me.

I meant roughly 10.

>>53879568
forgefiend maybe?
and no, your terminators are not kitted out for vehicle killing. They're kitted out for killing themselves. Give them combi meltas instead, if you can
in either case, you need to bring them in as soon as possible to engage any impguard vehicles, so that your berserkers can get in range unmolested

>>53879561
Don't buy GW paints. I recommend Vallejo paints.

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So has there been any word from GW on how Cult Icon's work for genestealer cult work considering there is no point value listed for them in the index?

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>>53879160
I can finally field rough riders
Cool units are good on the tabletop now
The living saint macharius appeared in the GW hq and wrote the IG index entry himself

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Do ministorum Priests stack? By that I mean they give a bubble of plus one attack, If two priests are by a unit do they get 2 extra attacks?

>>53879628
They're free, just like sergeant upgrades

>>53879152
dreadnought drop pods (in the FW book) can transport any vehicle with the dreadnought keyword, which means literally any dreadnought, BA included.

>>53879643
Nope.

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>>53879634
I couldn't be happier to finally field these unironically. The plan is to shove 4 in a chimera and 4 Ogryns in another and drive them straight at the weakest looking flank full speed.

How do Ogryns sound anyway? Every time I try to picture it they just come out as deeper voiced Ork Boyz

>>53879557
Tau philosophy has always been combined arms, wasn't it?

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>>53879634
I require more images of Creed's shit eating grin
it makes me happy every time

>>53879561
They have smaller themed packs with a variety of paints for like 15-20 bucks, maybe start off with that and experiment with them. One box should be more than enough to paint the whole starter set oh and dont forget to grab a can of spray primer

>>53879510
In Imperium 2 yes.
Also all FW Knights got rules in their respective indices.
Even the Porphyion, so you can just take 2 of those and destroy the world.

>>53879561
If you're experienced in painting, buy decent primer and then tube acrylics from an art shop. Even the cheap ones will do. Just spray-seal after with matte finish because these colors do fade more than mini paints.

>>53879685

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise I was playing an entire army instead of a small force centring directly around my warlord that fits on a 6x4 table.

>>53878209
>virgin, man-dolly collector pretending to be a jaded libertine
>not making me cringe

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>>53879677
They're ogres senpai
Shrek's voice

>>53879677
How do Ogryns sound anyway?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JlVqfC8-UI
They hug the enemies of man to death.

>>53879556
Oh, I musta got the symbols for Elites and HQ switched around in my head. Neat.

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>>53879614
How's this?

>>53879561

The stuff you used for your military models should work, unless you were super old school and used enamels and lacquers, and ended up doing shitty paintjobs on them.

>>53879677
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ__iaZ4FeY

>>53879677
>weakest looking flank
Dude get a priest and run them head on into the strongest thing you can find. They can wipe small units off the board.

>>53879677
I imagine them to sound like Ogres from Warcraft 3.

>>53879663
thanks

>>53879677
Speaking of this strat, do vehicles leave wrecks to block LoS anymore?

>>53879766
>I'm ready!
>I'M NOT READY!

>>53879581

The most Dreadnoughts I can fit into 2000 points using only bound detachments that aren't just an Auxilliary choice is 16, reaching 1948 by taking spearhead detachments of the cheapest dread period (Mortis with two twin heavy bolters) and chaplain dreads for HQs.

After 12 Mortis dreads and 2 chaplain dreads, I can fit in two regular Dreadnoughts with single twin heavy Bolter and missile launcher.

If I just spam heavy Bolter Mortis dreads, I can fit 18 into 2000 points, 1961 points to be precise.

>>53878538
Thanks!

Do you happen to have Vaylund Carl's rules?

>>53879792
Nope

>>53879764
This saddens me as it obviously benefits from a Taurox more for the ten man cap and makes the Chimera that much more redundant.

>>53879807
The thought of hitting an APC with a missile and leaving only four very confused and angry abhumans in it's place humors me

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>>53879805

JESUS CHRIST STOP ASKING I PUT HIS RULES UP TWO THREADS AGO TO MAKE YOU STOP FUCKING ASKING OVER AND OVER AND OVER

>>53879467
W Hat do you use the yeti's as? Ogryns?

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>>53879840
He said Carl, not Cal.

>>53879840
Is Androcles just terrible?

>>53879803

>18 Dreadnoughts with 4 heavy bolters each

How many conscripts can 74 BS 3+ heavy bolters kill per turn?

>>53879269
I mean if you're a fan of Heman ans Sigmarines then sure anon.

>>53879467
>actual literature
>greeting card so at least 1 person gives a shit about him
>well painted models with uniform feel
These three things go together greyshitters, take note

>>53879809
How about 3 bullgryns , a priest plus a guard character like yarrick or strake and an astropath for +1 armour

>>53879884
Around 30.

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First game of 8e this Friday, thinking about taking this list. How's it look? Probably going to be fighting chaos of some sort.

>>53879884

About 164 if they aren't standing in cover, half that if they are.

>>53879884
>>53879902
Wait times that by 3.

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>>53879809
>This saddens me as it obviously benefits from a Taurox more for the ten man cap and makes the Chimera that much more redundant.
I guess, In the few games of 8th I have played so far I just footslogged them with my conscripts. So far in 3 games I have killed 5 khorne berserkers, 1 lord of contagion, 1 plaguebringer and, Tiphus with 3-4 Bullgryns backed up with a priest and primaris psyker.

The tard rage is real.

>>53879889
Could be an Inquisitor instead so he can use the psychic power that stops Overwatch.

Whatre you guys up to?

im parked outside the local gw to see if the redshirt throws out any dark vengeance copies tonight

>>53879920
Sorry 3-6 bullgryn

>>53879933
lel thats both hilarious and genius

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Space Marine recruitment in the fluff makes no sense to me.

Each individual Space Marine has two gene-seed organs. When implanted into a human male, it turns him into a Space Marine with his own pair of Progenoid glands.

These glands take up to 15 years to ripen to maturity, at which point they can be implanted in a new subject. For the sake of simplicity, we'll assume that both glands mature at the same time and are instantly implanted into a new Space Marine. This means that each generation, the number of "breeding" Space Marines doubles. A predictable exponential growth curve ensues.

At Generation 1, a dedicated son of Roboute Guilliman implants his progenoids into two fertile young boys, who then implant four progenoid glands into four novitiates in Generation 2. At the end of Generation 21, there are enough Space Marines breeding to replace every Space Marine who served during the Great Crusade. By the end of Generation 93, the combined mass of every breeding Space Marine of his line would eclipse the Sun. By the end of Generation 129, there would be 1.08 x 10^41 kilograms of Space Marines, massing more than S5 0014+81 -- the largest supermassive black hole that has been discovered.

In 10,000 years, there are approximately 333 Space Marine generations, for a grand total of 8.749 x 10^99 breeding Space Marines by 999 M41. The combined gravitational pull of the Ultramarines would be enough to destroy Abaddon's Black Crusade warfleet through spaghettification alone, and their accretion disk would blast electromagnetic bursts of radiation capable of cracking daemon worlds in the Eye of Terror.

So why do the Sons of Guilliman need Primaris Marines again?

>>53879933
>wasting that much time
>to obtain something that worthless

And you guys try to claim you're not poorfags?

>>53879951
>t Generation 1, a dedicated son of Roboute Guilliman implants his progenoids into two fertile young boys

This is just cleverly disguised homo erotica isn't it

>>53879951
not all gene-seed is recovered. in fact, probably less than half

>>53879907
man, those are some stealthy scouts

>>53879951
Because they lose space marines at a pretty decent rate.

>>53879951

Damaged geneseed
Failed geneseed
Spoiled geneseed
Corrupted geneseed
Unrecoverable geneseed
Failed aspirants
Dead aspirants
Dead marines
Unrecoverable marines
Geneseed tithes

The geneseed rate of success is 1% or lower. This means the geneseed MUST be that quick to replenish, otherwise the chapter's genestock would be depleted nearly instantaneously after even one or two recruiting cycles.

>>53879951

This post is so stupid I dont even know what to say, except good job. this is master level bait

>>53879953
My time is worthless and I play dark angels so im used to garbage

>>53879983
>planet-sized mass of guardsmen patrolling around a sun
>LOL HILARIOUS MEME EBIN
>replace guardsmen with marines
>FUCKIN BAIT

How are predators looking for 8th? The dark mechanicus stuff has me looking at the hellforged variety.

>>53879992
I both chuckled and felt bad. Since I can't keep you company on your stakeout at least I can be there for you in spirit over the internet.

>>53879933
Why would he throw any out? It's a solid starter set that comes with a free rules update to 8th. I took 3 today since it's pretty much the 12 page core PDF in a comic sized package.

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what do you think?

Sisters are damn good edition

>>53879992
>>53880018
kek, now I'm picturing a group of friends eating stale pizza and laying low in an old beat up car

>>53880055
inb4 that one aspie shows up

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I don't know whether to be annoyed about someone snitching out the roster builder or be surprised GW is fine with all the points and stuff online in a free to use army builder.

>>53879557
I'm annoyed that I can't use my Enclaves really at all.
Oh well, hope for the codex I suppose

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I genuinely hate the people in my local GW for being cheating waacfags that don't paint their models and I want to play in the upcoming campaign and absolutely BTFO everyone by using my superior resources to beat them at their own game. Will this list suffice?

>>53879953
I *am* poor compared to the rest of you guys. I live in the 3rd world.

>>53880060
Yes, they can't beat what they can't see.

>>53879840
Do you have Silas Alberec, anon?

>>53880079
>Snitching
GW is anal about their IP.

They probably knew about it before /tg/ did

>>53880089
If they're WAAC, they ain't gonna be using power.

>>53879889
Straken sadly only affects Catachans, which Abhumans can't be, and rankly Yarrick is scary overkill.

>>53880055
you should check out the repressor rules in the index leaks, they seem pretty damn good. it's the only non open-topped vehicle with fire points I've seen, and with six units being able to fire in any direction out of a durable transport that seems... really good. you lose out on some act of faith stuff until they disembark but I think most people are just going to use AoF on celestine 90% of the time anyway

>>53880105
The GW campaign will be though, it's 1996 points.

>>53879951
not all geneseed is recovered and the majority of novitiates are killed by the implants.

>>53880050
Dark Vengeance, not Dark Imperium.

>>53880093

Probably, why do you ask?

Just realized Celestine's bodyguards don't have to be taken.

At 50 points each, what would you consider the "optimal" amount to take in a normal sized game? At least one for sure, right? Is the second worth paying 50 for?

>>53880060
No.

>>53880089
are they not using battle-forged armies? because those dreadnoughts would need an HQ if they are since they'd be in a vanguard detachment

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>>53880119
Repressor does look damn nice. Wish I could convert/buy them again--- maybe Forge World will recreate the mold again

>>53880079
GW is copying it and making a better one that will be free to download as an app very soon. They don't care.

>>53880143
probably just one. in the game I saw where she was taken both of them died in the first turn, and the one that came back every turn died that turn again and again until celestine finally went down. 50 points just for one extra wound on the first turn doesn't seem great, so I think you're better off only buying one.

>>53880151
I'm glad I made a mold when I did

So I havent been following the fluff but are Primarines straight up just replacing normal Space Marines from now on or will they just be a rare elite unit that fights alongside their manlet big brothers from time to time?

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>>53880131
Yes, I AM aware what we're both talking about. Are you?

>>53879762
>not using the bone 'ead
yes, boss sir

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc_GlMQ5XI4

I love my Blood Angels but I'm wondering if I should paint my primaris marines to be able to use Robby G in games since he's so good.

If you're painting primaris marines what chapter are you going to use?

>>53880143

Both of them assuming she can still resurrect them infinitely.

>>53880179
depends on the chapter. some chapters are taking a few, some chapters hate them and aren't taking any, and guilliman is doing a new founding of some chapters that are 100% primaris.

>>53880166
>free

ahahahahaha

>>53880096
>GW is anal about their IP.

Hence why I'm surprised they're okay with the builder

>>53880089
You should probably just not play with cheaters.

>>53880179
They're going to phase out the old ones, probably. Right now the two are fighting side by side but the more the marinelets suffer casualties the more they'll be replaced by Primaris. The old method of making space marines is basically getting thrown out and replaced.

>>53880190
>some chapters hate them and aren't taking any

Salty keklet cuck /tg/ chapters

>>53880189
She gains one per turn with 2/2 wounds, but can spend her AoF to bring back the second with 1/2 wounds left. But that would mean not taking a free 12" fly or immediate free fight phase or healing herself for d3.

>>53880191
They already announced it would be free. If it weren't, then why would they be okay with a free third-party version?

Can you still shoot out of dedicated transports?

>>53880142
I'd just like to see his 8th edition stats, he's a cool character from a cool chapter.

>>53879560
Bump

>>53880228
Depends on the transport, most can't.

>>53880185
>tfw rules currently mean you have to be THE ultramarines to benefit from him
>ultrasmurf successors don't get it.

>>53880224
Pack a few more buzzword memes in there.

>>53880190
It's not about how many Primaris Marines a Chapter takes. They aren't just adding the ones Guilliman has to their Chapters and repainting their armour. Guilliman is giving them the tech and resources and how-to guide on MAKING Primaris. A Chapter either accepts that stuff or doesn't, and the ones that do will be making all their new marines using the Primaris method from now on, which means it's just a matter of time until the old ones have all died and been replaced, or taken the "upgrade" that lets existing marines get turned into Primaris.

>>53880250

Salty butthurt babby marinefag keklet primaricuck 60 multi melta church based neckbeard sperglord /tg/ chapters

>>53880245
>mfw you declare entire army as Ultramarines anyway even though they are red.

>>53880228
as far as I've seen the Repressor is the only transport with firing ports. everything else doesn't allow you to shoot out of it unless it's open-topped, and fewer things than you'd think are open topped.

that said, firing angles don't exist anymore so for things like the chimera you can fire both lasgun arrays at the same target - I guess drivers are just really good at doing tactical donuts now

>>53880245
You can proxy Chapters as other Chapters as long as you're consistent about using the same keyword for every model.

>>53880276
No conscript/10

Carmine Blades or Howling Griffons (in black) for my new primaris?

>>53880185
>>53880245

You can still use Roboute Guilliman in any Imperial army. He just won't be at max power except with THE Ultramarines. Honestly they should have made a keyword to identify successors. Yeah, Sammael won't hang out with <Random Faggot Successor 65>, but it would keep counts-as alive and work for guys who DO work well with successors, like Guilliman.

>>53880228
Only non NPC army have acces to transport that allow shooting from inside.

>>53880260
Is this actually true? I was under the impression that no primaris with chapter specific traits existed or would exist.

The one thing I would actually want primaris marines for is blood angels/flesh tearers. But if they just have paint and nothing else then I don't want them.

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Need some help here. Shitty nurgle daemon prince. How do I fix the skin? It looks fucked up with the wings (I thought it'd be more purple). Ignore the red on the skin, I'm fixing that now.

>>53880293
>playing Cruds Chapter
>ever

>>53880293

Night camo Howling Griffins. Carmine Blades are a shitty mix of "literally who" BA successors and Blood Raven wannabes.

>>53880308
But would you fuck an 11/10 babe if you found out she used to sleep with the Crud?

>>53880227

They did state for free?
Well I'm surprised and amazed in that case

>>53880282

Blood Angels successor chapter <UltraMarines>

So the list builder doesnt have Ad Mech, its the only army missing.

WTF?

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Orks are so fucking good now

My first real game of 8e (my Orkz vs Space Yiffs)I got a turn one charge off with a 30 man blob of stormboyz, everything from there descended into anarchy of carnage

By turn 4 he conceded, only thing my opponent had left were two empty transports flying around desperately outrunning my hordes

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>>53879467

>all those vostroyans
>those metallic red vehicles
>converted auto cannons
>fucking ratlings
>even got the special weapon blisters

sell me your army

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>>53880293
celebrants, have fun contemplating suicide while you paint them all.

Just need the FW Adeptus Astartes ePub to finish my collection and then I can upload all the indices with bookmarks in PDF format.

So if you have the FW index upload it please. Thanks.

>>53880300
>I was under the impression that no primaris with chapter specific traits existed or would exist.
They will as soon as the Codexes are out, trust me.

I mean hell they already started hinting that the Primaris process """might""" (read: will) interact weirdly with some of the more mutated geneseeds like Sanguinius and Russ so they can make superwolfy Primaris wulfen and superdeathy Primaris Death Company in future releases.

I'm sure all the new various Space Marine Codexes will be accompanied by a upgrade sprues meant for converting the core Primaris kits into that Chapter, plus unique new Primaris releases for those Chapters. There won't be any non-Primaris models other than Primarchs released for Space Marines for a long time, possibly ever.

>>53879319
i had part of that one time, my buddy plays vostroyan and i play ad mech and we did a doubles tourny together.

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>>53880351

These "airbrushes are mandatory" chapters all look cool.

>>53880346
The boyz are easily in the top 5 armies right now

>>53880351
Airbrush makes that seem easy

>>53880334
>They did state for free?
>Well I'm surprised and amazed in that case
I'm... 70% sure I heard them say that.

But given that it's GW I guess don't take my word for it.

>>53880331
...alright I'll accept that argument. The Howling Griffin scheme is pretty cool.

Also Crud catches a SLIGHT break for nids not being shit right now, even though I doubt he had a lot to do with it.

>>53880283
So I can't drive around with ten warriors in a ghost ark anymore shooting bitches? Well that's sufficiently lame.

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>>53880293
>tfw you play aurora chapter
>everyone asks if they are salamanders.

>>53879951

They only harvest one progenoid at their maturity date, the other stays with them until they're ded.

They don't necessarily have enough compatible recruits to use all their gene seed.


Also people don't appreciate that most marines don't even make it to 100 years of service.

>>53880423
You can 360 with the ghost arks guns now, so there's that.

>>53880450
>don't even make it to 100 years of service.

It's such a big deal, they bolt a giant fucking nail to their face to commemorate it. If you get two, you're practically a shoe-in for officer.

>>53880429
>paints entire army to look like salamanders
>gets upset when people think they're salamanders

>>53880429
>tfw you play literally whos
>everyone asks if they're oh thems

>>53880429
>tfw you play raptors
>everyone asks if you're that one autist on /tg/

So a little late to the party but does anyone know if the Deimos Predator Executioner has been posted yet?

>>53880334
it will be free, like the Age of Sigmar Army list builder they got on the community site allready.

>>53880429
>known as the undisputed masters of armoured assaults

How many chapters are described as such?

>>53880482
>tfw that autist on /tg/ is your brother and he switched to steel confessors now.

>>53880423
both sides of the ghost ark get to shoot, so it's pretty much the same thing. they're still pretty good since they help keep units alive, although most of the lists I've seen thrown around have been footslog lists that use HQ auras

>>53880450
Also not all the geneseed implantations take properly, they lose recruits during metamorphosis, during training, some of their excess geneseed is taxed by Terra and sent to be kept in vaults or sent in for testing by the AdMech on the decree of the High Lords, some never get harvested after death because the Apothecaries can't get to them or the body was vaporized or lost in space or the warp or blown up when their Drop Pod or Thunderhawk gets shot down, sometimes Chapter homeworlds are invaded by Chaos and their geneseed stolen to be corrupted and used to make new Chaos Marines, and on and on and on.

>>53880472
>>53880473
thanks for the sensible chuckle

>>53880495
their fluff is actually pretty absurd. They have more predators and land raiders than people to drive them.

>>53880510
>Say lads, I see you've got a couple dozen land raiders gathering dust in your Hangars
>mind parting with one or two?

>FUCK OFF
>No one touches the shinys!

Have any forgeworld AM or Xenos stuff leaked yet? I thought there was talk of people thumbing through store copies at WHW yesterday.

>>53878773
Riptide is 302 pts with the basic standard loadout.

>>53880539
>people thumbing through store copies at WHW yesterday.
No clue about that
ePubs release Friday so, wait till Friday at the latest

>>53880304
Give the wings dots of diseased lighter spots. Greenstuff some boils on the body and paint them a different color, and give the whole things some selective recess shades.

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Any suggestions on how I could improve my list?

>>53880536
Now I want to make a chapter of space marines called the something Dragons who hoard stuff. They could be from a feudal world and favor flame weapons and Dark Age technology.

>>53880592

Red Dragons. Specializes in flame weaponry and relic acquisition, like Salamanders + Blood Ravens. Will commonly abduct female daughters of planetary governors and have rivalry with Astral Knights, Grey Knights, Imperial Knight households, etc.

>>53880151
Damn, I hope so. Repressors are damned sexy.

>>53880500
I wanted to do two units of twenty warriors and one unit of ten inside a ghost ark next to the big blobs but now that ten man unit can't shoot so I'm scrapping that idea.

>>53879557
It's really just pure riptide spam that isn't viable anymore. Ghostkeels are great, Crisis teams are great, Hammerheads are great, Tidewall Shieldlines make Pathfinders dramatically harder to kill, etc. Damn near everything else they have is just fine, Riptides just got hit with the nerf hammer really, really hard.

>>53880592
>they hoard working STCs.
>they won't let the adeptus mechanicus have them.

>>53880632
Riptides are even still good, they were just THAT fucking OP that they needed to be nerfed as hard as they were.

Shit players who were winning games only because 5 Riptides were carrying them think they became "unplayably shit" because 5 Riptides is not supposed to be a fucking viable list anymore than Tyranids can run 5 Haruspexes and expect to do well.

>>53880632

Crisis are meh
Literally spamming commanders is far more effective

Dunno about the consensus on Hammers

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>>53880632
Markerlights are in a weird place to be fair. 1 hit is great and 5 hits are great but in-between is often inconsequential.

Their strength now seems to be in Strike Team firing lines or in flying battlesuit units. A group of Ghostkeels, Stealth Suits, and Crisis Suits can get charged but sacrifice drones to avoid losses and then fly away and open fire.

>>53879205
IS THERE MORE?

Can you have more than one of the same detachment in a list?

>>53880649
Spamming Commanders is more expensive, the only reason it works is because they have the Character keyword. When people learn to use Drones with their Crisis Suits they'll realize they aren't bad.

>>53880649
Longstrike makes them dramatically better, and Longstrike himself is really, really good (especially because he's an HQ).

The table of contents for the FW Xenos Index implies that all the old Hammerhead weapon turrets that you can't buy anymore are getting rules updates as well, and some of those (in particular the missile pod one) ought to be pretty insane with 8th ed updates.

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>>53880055
>Power levels

>>53879205
Where do i find the rest? Where is the set?

>>53880660

They are also effective since they have great BS without needing support plus 4 hardpoints
Mathing it out they tend to roll over crisis in efficiency for all but flamer spamming

>>53880672

Yeah, heavy support and bombardment right?
I'm guessing you can pick from a missile tank or plasma tank since those were what FW offered

>>53880694
She only posted two more on here, one was clothed, the other was apparently nudes but it was an imgur link that was already down by the time I found the thread in the archives.

>>53880660
Commanders will get you more damage per point. They have a fourth hardpoint (3MP+ATS is fantastic), and they have BS2+ instead of 4+.

>>53880672
Longstrike is so good that every game I have played my opponent has suicided DS melta units to kill him.

Giving the other Hammerhead(s) effectively BS2 is so threatening that he draws a lot of aggro.

Only question I have is do you run the Railgun or the Ion? The solid shot is pretty low percentage for all the points you spend on a Hammerhead but it does have a potential 9 damage spike.

Does anyone have Vaylund Cal and the Deimos Predator from the forge world astartes leak?

>>53880720
Longstrike's bonus combo-ing with the MW on other Hammerheads' Railguns is also delicious.

>>53880702
>>53880716
Oh, I see.

So, points cut for Crisis or points increase for Commanders next balance update?