Top tier villain motivations

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Villains who just really fucking hate communists.

<Yo buddy, still alive?>

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Villains who are legitimately evil and work entirely or almost entirely for themselves only, whom players can learn to understand but never to sympathize with.

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Villains who genuinely think they're doing something good for the world, but reek of BBEG

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Villains who want to save the world.

>Villain has best friend who keeps them in check
>Friend dies tragically
>Villain loses any sense of checking themselves, goes hard in the paint

Mussolini was an IRL example. Not so much a motivation as a trope I like

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Villains who are only villains from a certain point of view.

Villains who are putting the interests of a small group ahead of the interests of the majority, not because they're selfish but out of loyalty.

Villains who are legitimately doing the right thing, but they're twats about it and it's still a bad thing for the protagonists.

Villains who have such long-term plans that everything they're doing right now is actually good, but they're going to be leveraging it for evil later.

Villains who tyrannically oppress the world who are later justified when the world's society collapses after said villain's defeat.

>>53870275
Villains who put themselves under immense pressure and eventually something just gives and they lose some critical part of their humanity.

>>53870275
Villain is greedy, selfish, and in general just trying to get to the top of the pile but is also likable and explains their stance well enough that it almost seems right.

Everyone is just trying to get their cut of the pie right? What's so evil about taking opportunities given to you to make life easier for yourself and your own?

>>53872611
>Villains who are legitimately doing the right thing, but they're twats about it

This is normally the quickest way to die for any NPC. Players don't take lip from NPCs, they could be jesus reborn, but the moment they belittle a player they are normally dead.

I've played with some vindictive and petty players

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>>53873648
Generally, pie--even metaphorical pie--isn't worth killing, maiming, or crippling someone for.

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I've got a thing for professionals that are only in it for the money and glory, but are massive shit-talkers in a weird, detached way. They're probably better than the PCs and they know it, but it's so satisfying to finally shoot them down.

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The enigmatic professional types. They work for the pay, not the politics. They may not be universally considered villains, but having one appear opposite your force is never a good time.

>>53874513
Fuck that bastard.

Fuck him with a pitchfork.

>>53870275
>villain
Ugh.

A Villain who is genuinely a better guy than the other Villain he overthrew, but still not only knows he's the Villain but knows if he doesn't play the part shit will get worse.

>>53874375
You haven't seen how big this pie is.

>>53874643
Exactly. Sure, sympathetic (or at least explainable) villains do have their merits, but sometimes you just need a greedy, violent scumbag. They also contrast well with more professional guys like >>53874612 's idea.

He's only here to save his imouto. So what if the rest of the world dies?

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>>53874643
Ha, poor slows can't keep up with the speed of a real pilot.

>>53874375
Wrong

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>>53874863
Close enough. Nox is easily my favorite villain.

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>>53870275

His boss told him to, so he did it. That it was impossible didn't signify.

>Ride west, towards the setting sun. Subdue all rebels. There is one sun in Heaven, there is one Khan upon the earth.

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>>53870275
>Villains who are trying to fight for a unified world have always been my favorite.
BACK WHEN I STARTED PLAYING, THE VILLIANS THAT HAD THAT KINDA PLAN WERE HONEST ENOUGH TO CALL IT "WORLD DOMINATION"

>>53874851
The Bounty Hunter was one of the more threatening enigmas on the Battletech battlefields. Adding to his(?) mystique was the fact that the figure known as "The Bounty Hunter" made appearances over a span that would be impossible for a normal human to live, implying it's more of an identity than a single person. The Bounty Hunter's impressive arsenal of advanced mechs also added to the threat posed by his appearance. Giant mechs painted bright green covered in credit symbols wasn't exactly stealthy either.

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The villain who has no selfish intent but has just gone so fucking crazy he sees the bad world as the good one (eliminate free will to stop crime, stuff like that) have always entertained me.

Especially good when paired with a hero who is a good person, but the author shows them feeling temptation and weakness, leaving you to feel conflicted over who's the real hero

>>53871851
Ha ha, you thought you could get away without getting Ughed.

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>>53870275
What about whiny teens LARPing as their dead grandfathers?

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What about villains who become allied

>>53875879
Literally best tier. The S1 enemy teaming up in S2 is my favorite trope possibly ever

>>53871851
screencap source?

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>>53876091

That's Berserk you plebeian.

>>53875690

I actually loved him because he's such a petulant little bitch.

At some point in Hollywood all villains became sophisticated british people or badass former soldiers and stuff.

I appreciate the extra touches of an emotionally stunted and stupid villain.

>>53876265
He gets the "little bitch" side from his grandfather as well.

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>>53876265
Now if only there was a singl hero who was unviersally described by the term "machine gunner".

Villains who betray the PCs

>PCs be mad

Rogue weapons/berserk AI's are a good one. They're the type that no matter what arguments you pose, through whatever fault they're experiencing they are convinced their course of action is the right one.

>>53876091
Berserk, Conviction arc

>>53876147
no u

>>53872029
Who was his friend?

>>53874375
>he says as he posts an ork, who kill and die for the thrill of it
>>53873648
What's wrong with being self-possessed?
Nobody satisfied with being second best.
I've got the gift and I know that I'm blessed,
And I've got to get it off my chest.
I'm the biggest,
The best,
Better than the rest,
Better than the rest.

>>53876489
Not if your speech level is high enough.

t. Fallout 1

>villain knows it is bad
>has to do it because of 'reasons'

Bonus points for fundamentally ~good~ reasons like parental care, true love, loyalty, oaths.

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>>53871541
I love a villain that is unapologetically evil.

I also love ones that know what they are monsters, but are seeking a end that justifies the means.

>>53871973
But anon, you posted a hero.

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>villain begins as an ally, a former mercenary/soldier
>comes out of retirement to stand against you because of a sense of personal pride or honor
"I just don't want to face defeat again. Not to anything or anyone."

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>>53874513
>>53874612

>>53876764
>Quentin
>hero

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A villain who is willing to do whatever it takes to achieve their goal, because they know it will be worth it.

>>53876957
He isn't a villain you cuckmaster. He villain won after murdered the best boys.

A villain who does what he does because there's no other choice.

Who mocks the heroes for their optimism.

And who dies knowing hope, because the people that defeated him may have the strength to fix what he could not.

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>>53870275
The villain who is simply the #1 defending his place.
Alternatively, the villain who is a highly advanced AI orchestrating global politics from behind the scenes.

>>53876912
Ozymandias is probably the only character where "did nothing wrong" is more than a meme

Yes, even Griffith

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>>53870275
The best villain is the villain who's already won, but is starting to realize that infinite cosmic power isn't really all it's cracked up to be.

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>>53870275
Heroes who want to start a family.

>>53877182
What's the point of all this incest? Aside from fetishes

>>53877245
He wanted a clone, I hear. Japs are really, really stupid at times though, so they didn't realize that much inbreeding should have resulting in f'ing monsters.

>>53877245
>fucking your wife's daughter
>incest
You don't know what incest means.

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Villains who are ultimately bit players in the narrative of history

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>>53877182
>5 generations of daughter-fucking
That's Zeus-tier degeneracy. Someone get this guy a fucking medal.

>>53877279
Look at their faces as it goes down the line, they are fucking monsters.

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>>53870275
>Top tier villain motivations
The lulz.

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>>53877467
Yes.

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>>53877467
Now that I'm thinking about it, Aku's greater than I thought when I watched as a kid. He fulfills both the "Universal constant/force of nature" form of evil, while also being a sentient dick that enjoys what he does regardless of if he has a choice or not.

>>53877280
He's fucking his daughter dude is that not incest?

>>53877280
You don't know how to read a family tree.

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>>53872896
My nigger.

>>53874513
>>53874612
If you two haven't played Armored Core games, you should.

>>53877666
No, My Nigger. Well until Sazed cleans up his mess.

>>53870275
You must love Angela Merkel.

>>53877685
I would if I had a Playstation of some kind handy. I've got a thing for mech-oriented systems, but I haven't even been able to get into something like Battletech because my rural gaming community is too small.

>>53876603
>Bonus points for fundamentally ~good~ reasons like parental care, true love, loyalty, oaths.
I had a guy in my Black Crusade game who had once been a loyalist apothecary.

He fell to Chaos (unaligned, but leaning towards Tzeentch) in the process of trying to breed new Primarchs to save the Imperium.

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>>53871437
>Villains who just really fucking hate communists.
>implying he's not the good guy and you're the real baddies
Better dead than red.

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rate these villians

>A man-eating monster attuned to the realm of spirits.
>Doesn't actually enjoy eating humans
>Is doing so in an attempt to catch the grim reaper, because the old bones have to get up close and personal to take the souls he's eaten

>An ancient dragon teaching the secrets of magic to the masses, because he needs a small city's worth of mage-blood for a ritual
>the ritual would likely bring life back to a massive chunk of the world, which has become supernaturally barren

>Arms dealer who uses exotic pet sales as a front for his operations
>Uses his cut of the money to add to his collection of pixies, sprites, and small mermaids, which he keeps living in separate, sorted jars on his shelf. Because they're pretty.

>>53871437
>hate communists
>villains

>>53877280
He starts with his half sister.
Then he fucks the girl born from that union.
Then he fucks the girl born from THAT union.
And so on.

>>53877755
Anything can be twisted into villainy when taken to extremes

>>53877750
Might be good, might be awesome, probably not bad but could easily be mediocre

Kinda gimicky, could be done right

Pretty boring

>>53877792
Not against commie filth.

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>>53877559
Exactly. That's what I love about him. No abusive childhood, no bullshit "I'm doing this horrible stuff now to take us to a brighter future" agenda, no "society made this happen," not even the "POWER, PURE POWER" wankoffery of 1984, he's just. Having. FUN. Not that that makes him any less of a menace, it's just that I find his motivations refreshing somehow. Same will Bill. And they do it all without (quite) being edgelords. They're what 40k Chaos should be like. Especially Tzeentch. If GW had any brains at all they'd make his personality a cross between Aku and Bill Cipher.

Villains that aren't bad, but actually good but they're such annoying fucking cunts that you can't help but make them your enemy.

The villain is kind and loyal to his supporters and allies, and is forced into conflict not because he's evil but because of irreconcilable differences in viewpoint or competition for resource scarcity.

I'm also a sucker for Dr. Doom types that rule with an iron fist inside a velvet glove. The citizens of Latveria are among the happiest in the world and are willing to die for Doom, he in turn genuinely wants his nation to prosper and will crush anyone that gets in his way.

I also enjoy genuinely, 100% unrepentant evil enemies. No ulterior motives, no sob story to justify their actions, they're just bad to the bone and love it. The Violator from Spawn, Diablo, Orcus.

So sick of "the villain used to be a hero and was corrupted into something dark and twisted" or "he had a hard life and never had a chance. Banter is so much more fun when the bad guy revels in his work and doesn't spend the whole time trying to guilt trip the heroes or persuade them he is right.

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>>53876764
>>53877136
>blow up a city and murder millions of people
>temporary truce created
>10 years later everyone realizes it was a huge nothingburger (see: 9/11)
>world powers get right back to missile crises and invasions of Afghanistan
>now with the added talking point of psychic terrorism
Veidt was a dullard with delusions of grandeur and his only saving grace was choosing New York as the city to blow up.

>>53877873
We've talked about this, Lex. Superman is a hero, not a villain.

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Villains whose motives are utterly selfless, and born out of a sense of betrayal, jadedness, but ultimately for the good of somebody else- it doesn't need to be everyone, or even a very large group, just someone other than the villain.

Pic related is the perfect example. He's dedicated to something other than himself, he knows that what he's doing is so terribly, utterly wrong, and he's leading a group of followers that are utterly loyal to him because he was once (and arguably still is) a paragon.

He has a specific plan in mind to get what he wants with the least amount of pain and suffering, but due to the MC's meddling things deteriorate rapidly. When forced to kill people he would have once called friends he's visibly shaken, and when it becomes clear his men are taking things too far he does everything he can to stop them- even helping the men he was trying to kill earlier.

>>53877792
We're talking about fucking Communism. The most bloody and evil ideology ever created.

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Ones that are far more interesting than the protags.

>>53877960
Shut up /pol/

>>53874375
what if its really, really, good pie?

>>53877280
Incest or not, we can all agree that Woody Allen is a weird man and one shouldn't copy him

>>53877988
Not liking what you read doesn't make it /pol/.

>>53877887
He successfully convinced Manhattan to fuck off for good, which solves a hell of a lot more problems than it causes.

>>53878036
It doesn't, you're right. You, on the other hand, should still fuck off back to /pol/.

>>53877952
I remember that movie.

Its you. You're the rocket man

>>53877988
>Stalin
>Pol Pot
>Mao
Yeah, communism seems great.

>>53877792
Communists aren't people. They are the equivalent of real life Chaos cultists.

>>53878149
Communism is retarded.
Just give people money.

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>>53870275
Fuck you I do what I want.
Yes he is a Villain

>>53877887
It unifies them so they can fight the aliens though

>>53877887
Don't know if you're reading DC rebirth but theory is that Oz is coming for Superman and pals. And he beat Manhattan.

>>53877979
But DOOM is the protag

>>53877666

True patrician choice, anon.

>>53878107
I'm glad you know what communism is and not confusing it with authoritarian state capitalism (:

>>53877817
>>53877960
>>53878149
But taking it too far will have you jumping at shadows. See: McCarthy

>>53878327
>B-but it wasn't real communism!

>>53878106
Such a dumb movie but with such a great villain.

>>53878107
Pol Pot wasn't a communist and was supported by thatcher & reagan who wanted revenge against the Vietnamese.


Stalin did nothing wrong and Mao is beloved across the world.


In any case this doesn't belong on this board this is a thread about villains not muh Hitler waa good stopping Judeo bolsheviks

>>53878383
Reminder that McCarthy was literally correct on every count and had his name unjustly dragged through the mud because he was of Irish–German descent.
Also reminder that McCarthy was a Senator and had nothing to do with the House Un-American Activities Committee.

>>53878417
>Stalin did nothing wrong
This is a meme, right?

>>53878430
Stop lying

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I really enjoy villains who, no matter how wrong, retarded or evil their ideolagy may be, go completly serious and straight about it.

>>53878417
>Hitler waa good stopping Judeo bolsheviks
But no one said that. Nazis and Commies are dumb.

>>53878383
McCarthy was right in the end though. Like almost entirely. He just has a bad rep because we didn't know for a while just how right he was.

>>53878406
>Muh "muh no true Scotsman!!!!"
A newspaper isn't a lexicon dear anon. Or do you think North Korea is actual democratic?

>>53878451
Yeah it's an "ironic" tankie meme on /r/fullcommunism

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>>53878456
>AN
>AGE
>OF
>WOLVES
Apollyon's cringey bullshit was and still is the best part of that game/

>>53878417
>Mao is beloved across the world
By fucking who? Chinese spie... sorry immigrants.

>>53878471
Fuck you DPRK is socialist deal with it

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>>53878451
No!

>>53878453
McCarthy's accusations were factually correct.
https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/venona/

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>>53878417
>Mao is beloved across the world
Where? Certainly not in the People's Republic of China.

>>53878518
Yeah I'm gonna believe the nsa

>>53878505
No, they were communist. There is a difference, believe it or not. And they aren't even THAT currently, though the aesthetics remain.

capitalism has no solution for automation except serfdom

>>53878505
Fuck you America is fascist deal with it

i honestly enjoy this kind of meaningless shit flinging, but honestly, if you're gonna bash anti capitalist ideology read the Conquest of Bread or something . If you have any pro-capitalist literature you think is good I'll give it a read

>>53878581
You make it sound like capitalism gives a shit.

How about the anthropomorphic-personification of capitalism as a villain? Oh wait...

>>53878602
I realise it may read like I think the Bread Book is bad, but what I meant was that you should read some (excuse the elitist sounding language) basic literature

>>53878577
They have a dictatorship of the proletariat not a classless, stateless society. The workers party of Korea is a communist party but dprk hasn't achieved communism.

>>53878602

Kropotkin is decent but Marxism Leninism is the Revolutionary Science

>>53878581
But a failed ideology from the 20th century sure does amirite

Villain idea: an hikikomri accountant starts moving money from their inheritance of a mega corporation around and eventually becomes a billionaire investment banker. To them money is just a number in a spreadsheet. they are mortified when they finally realize the widespread poverty was their doing, and spent the rest of their life trying to run charities, but it is too late. They are branded a villain by everyone

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>>53878644
>It's not true communism
They aren't communist by their own admission but the argument is retarded

>>53878644
I'm very sceptical of the vanguard ideologies. I'm not the most well read person but the top-down societal change feels pretty dangerous to me.

>>53878688
>first to space - ussr
>first fully electrified country in the world (Albania)
>lifted millions out of poverty (China)
>best medical care in the western hemisphere (Cuba)

>>53870275
Rate:
>Villain believes the world will stagnate and fall apart if he's not in charge
>Honestly believes that he's been contributing enough to the world to justify villainous behavior ("So what if I need to kill people to extend my lifespan? I'm worth more than they are!")

>>53878715
See >>53878471

>>53878715
They're Communists in ideology. Dprk the nation is not communist because they haven't reached that stage yet, they're still in socialism. They want to reach communism, but probably won't for a while.

>>53878722
>lifted millions out of poverty
and it only cost 45 million deaths :^)

>>53877960
This nuanced examination of economic ideology brought to you by the American public school system.

>>53878718
Lenin's "State & Revolution" and Engels' "On Authority" deal with the theory of why a vanguard is necessary.

>>53878756
Honestly, if the DPRK is anything, it's fascism slowly transitioning towards theocracy. It's kinda fucked up over there if you haven't noticed.

>>53878758
If you kill all the poor, no more poverty!

Personally, I like Distributism, but it's not going to happen in this day and age. Either the corps eat the state and you have plutocracy, or the state eats the corps and you also have plutocracy, but don't worry, comrade, the state will take care of you.

>>53878798
It actually isn't there's just a lot of Western disinformation, theit standard of living has been considerably improving and ironically the there is a growing petty bougie element.

>>53878758

Naw

https://mronline.org/2011/06/26/revisiting-alleged-30-million-famine-deaths-during-chinas-great-leap/

>>53878722
>first and only manned flight to any and all extraterrestrial bodies - USA
>electrifying alb*nia which is smaller than a US state being an accomplishment at all
>already out of poverty - USA
>actual most effective and advanced medical care in the world - USA

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>>53876957
>Best boy
>Villain
You need to go back to /m/ and stay there.

>>53878873
Why does this article read like someone denying the holocaust?
These are the same kinds of mental gymnastics /pol/ goes through.

>>53878756
No they flat out say they aren't communists nor trying for it. They're a totalitarian system called Juche

>>53871851
>BBEG
ugh

>>53878456
>>53878498
I had a villain in a game once who was like Appolyon, a PTSD riddled super deadly big boss tier mercenary woman (don't start) who stole her motivations from Gundam Wing - the world had started to settle into peace, Soldiers were being left behind, all their sacrifices and bravery meant nothing and were being forgotten now. So she wanted to create 'Outer Heaven', or at the very least, cast the world into War again

>>53870275
Trying to end a time loop, even if it means destroying the universe.
Tired cliché but I still love it.

>>53874695
>Ugh.
Blech.

>>53878955
>Blech.
Wretch.

>>53878776
lmfao

>>53878789
Thanks for the tip

>>53878798
Even though DPRK is terrible I wouldn't label just any totalitarianism fascism. Blurrying the lines and all that.

>>53878803
EFFICIENCY AND PROGRESS IS OURS ONCE MORE

>>53878936
Juche is the application of Marxism Leninism to the material conditions of Korea, as continued & consolidated by Kim Il-Sung.

It's revisionist Marxism Leninism but it's still socialist and they're still communists.

>>53878991
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>>53878923
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>>53878798
>>53878789
>>53878776
>>53878758
>>53878756
>>53878722
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>>53878688
>>53878644

So this was his motivation all along, starting literal /pol/ arguments in an unrelated thread!

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>>53878873
>This article was first published in People’s Democracy on 26 June 2011
My sides
>>53878923
Because it is.

>>53878722
China may have lifted many out of poverty but in doing so they have inevitably doomed a billion more to it. Yay excessive manufacturing and nepotisim!

>>53878923
6 million dead Jews wasn't based on an estimate of potential Jews who could have been born based on population growth figures. That's a huge difference in methodology. If the same standards were applied to the Holocaust you'd end up with 18 million dead Jews, slightly over the total Jewish population in Europe.

6 million Jews didn't die from a famine either; thry were systematically targeted & killed.

Nobody is denying China suffered a famine, what is being argued here is scope & culpability.

>>53878776
And for your next trick you'll show us all the nuanced ways of examining the economic ideology of keeping black people as property, right? Because when you have just such a way with words, you can justify anything!

>>53879071
>you'll show us all the nuanced ways of examining the economic ideology of keeping black people as property

Black people deliver that argument plenty fine on their own

>>53879071
Slavery's always a good breeding ground for antagonists.

>>53874612
>the Bounty Hunter was supposed to be a Wobbie during Jihad

Shit would be so cash if Catalyst didn't screw up their line developers

>>53877960

Watch the movie though anon. He literally destroys the planet

His motivations were alright though, I will give him that.

>>53879112
Better dead than red

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>>53879036
>put out propaganda urging your citizens to kill sparrows on sight
>devastate the sparrow population
>insects enjoy newfound paucity of natural predators and wreck crop yields
>gee where'd this famine come from
But it's okay because it wasn't on purpose, right?

>>53879134
Better red than slaving away for the rest of your life hoping that you're economically efficient enough for your boss to deem you worthy enough for the privilege of acquiring basic human needs that exist im excess for the sole reason to increase the power of a few individuals who do nothing for the actual production of these items

>>53878644
>>53878577
>>53878505

DPRK is unironically fascist in the true sense of the term (and, at that, probably the least successful fascist state in history - contrast with eg. Spain).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche

>>53879276
>slaving away for the rest of your life hoping that you're economically efficient enough for your boss to deem you worthy enough for the privilege of acquiring basic human needs that exist im excess for the sole reason to increase the power of a few individuals who do nothing for the actual production of these items

But anon, that's what being red is all about.

>>53879134

But the thing is that there was no Soviet invasion forthcoming; his choice was "better dead than maybe like a tiny chance of being red in 50 years if the Cold War goes the wrong way"

>>53879276
m8 pls. Not even the countries that were communist want to go back.

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>>53879309
>To have fallen so far into this thread and learned nothing, that is your failure.

Communism doesn't mean state power. It means stateless and classless society.

>>53878196
Akainu get off /tg/.

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The villain just wants to live a quiet life alone.

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>>53870275
<mfw

>>53879380
badmouse pls leave

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>>53875973
>Hero is sent to prison
>Has to work alongside the villains he put away if he's gonna escape.

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>>53877960
Dude, the guy in the original post literally ended the world and killed every human being on Earth. Communism is bad, but it also doesn't work and naturally goes away. Killing literally everyone over it is dumber than being communist in the first place.

>>53875879
Wear the suit

>>53877279
>f'ing
What's wrong with you faggot? Just say fucking.

>>53877714
Emulation exists for a reason nigger

>>53877960
But National Socialism exists. At it's core it's more thouroughly evil in its motivations than Communism. With Communism at least you can say "They had an ideology of how everyone would be better off but they were wrong." With National Socialism, the lack of empathy is baked right into the ideology itself.

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>>53878644
>Marxism Leninism is the Revolutionary Science
>>53879079
>hurrr niggers *BRRRAAAAAAAAP*
Pic has never been more related and I'm not even an Ancap.

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Motivation born out of a want for change, whether on a societal level or a personal level. Essentially, those who are trying something new that is either considered taboo, trying something in a manner frowned upon, or a combination of the two.

I also like it when a villain cannot really be called as such; when he simply doesn't mesh with the status quo. He's merely doing things the only way he can think to do them. I think the purest form of expression is doing what comes most naturally to you, acting upon impulses, intuition, and common sense. In the case of a villain, in a manner which is regarded as being societally unacceptable.

How's this for a "Villain"?
He's a friend of the party that turns out to be a time traveler.

His original timeline was destroyed by a cataclysmic event, so he traveled back to try and stop it. He failed again in the new timeline, so he sent the version of himself from this timeline back to hopefully get things right. This new version of him failed as well, and the cycle repeated.
This cycle has repeated over 100 times by now, and the plan to save the universe has gotten more and more complex and refined, but every time he switches timelines the timeline he leaves behind is completely destroyed. As a result the party always tries to stop him and is always killed by him.

Plot twist is that the time traveler is actually a member of the party, and is wracked with guilt over watching his predecessor kill his best friends in the previous timeline.

During the most recent time traveler's confrontation with the party, he'll find a way to incapacitate the party without killing them (probably something really simple, to add extra angst over his friends from his previous timeline being killed), and then the party can try to convince him to stop the time machine and try to stop the cataclysm in their timeline.

>>53877979
Villains like DOOM are at their best when they are absolutely convinced that what they are doing is the Best Possible Thing and cannot have their faith in that shaken even slightly.

See also: Mozgus, every single JoJo BBEG.

>>53879588
Literally the only people who maybe deserved to be released from impel down are
-The son of the most dangerous terrorist in the world and grandson of one of the strongest men in the world. Who is responsible for the destruction of one of the most important facilitys of the government and the defeat of several of its most important agents.
- The right hand 'woman' of the most dangerous terrorist in the world.
- The right hand 'woman' of the right hand 'woman' of the most dangerous terrorist in the world.
- A dangerous associate of a disgraced legitimate criminal.
- An extremely dangerous disgraced legitimate criminal who has viciously brutalized marine forces in the past (Jinbe was so bad Arlong thought he went to far)

>>53879804
Is the party a group of loli liches?

>>53877750
>>An ancient dragon teaching the secrets of magic to the masses, because he needs a small city's worth of mage-blood for a ritual
>>the ritual would likely bring life back to a massive chunk of the world, which has become supernaturally barren

This one is interesting.
In the grand scheme of things, the common races are young. This world has a long and rich history, civillisations of titans have risen to greater heights than you and I could ever fathom and fallen, to depths so deep as to destroy the minds of mortals if they were ever to peer down into that dark abyss

For that dragon, that world is over. The once great nature spirits have retreated into the feywild, half-remembered by pagans worshipping sticks and bones in the mud. The giants have left behind their retarded children and escaped to their cities in the clouds.
Even the dragon's own kind, those proud, honourable serpentine gods, have fallen to fear and greed and hate. Nowadays to be named a dragon is a curse, for your own brother would strike you down for more gold in their own already needlessly extravagant hoard.

The inheritors of this world are tiny things who have walked the land for barely a moment and yet they claim it as their own. What have they achieved in that time, with the gifts that they have? Nothing. Toy nations of cloth and stone playing at war, scratching the surface of the secrets of this universe and using them for parlour tricks.

That dragon has a chance of starting a new golden age, healing a broken scarred world and returning it to its former glory. For mortalkind to be so proud as to stand in the way of that and claim their castles and childlike philosophies are more important? It cannot stand, and it shall not.

To the old world, that dragon is a saviour.

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I love it when the villain is someone trying to save the world in their own twisted way and so is the person they are fighting

Bonus points if they were comrades or brothers or anything particularly close.

>>53879730
>confusing national socialism with judenhass
0/10 see me after class

The heroes are trying to save the world.
The villain is trying to save the world.

One party has chosen the high-risk high-reward method, that's unlikely to work but if it does everybody is saved.
The other has chosen the low-risk low-reward method that, while it's certain to save some people, will certainly doom others.

>>53879791
"I'm the bad guy?
"How'd that happen?"
This is perfect.

>>53880219
It's not conflation if it consistently goes together.

i'm the dm of a supers group, so an awful lot of villains show up. i like tying every one of them to one of the party members, having their motivations be something that the party has struggled with. one of my party members is someone who has a lot of trouble controlling their powers and always risks hurting the people close to them, so one of our villains has powers at a similar scale but use them freely in order to combat injustice directly- except the injustice they're combatting is all of the people who judge them because of their power. (also the cops, because fuck the cops)

i like to have moments where the party realizes what a villain is after and one of the players really sees themselves in that, and in tailoring the villains to be tempting to one particular party member i can really hone in on that.

it's even better when you can hone a villain to a relationship BETWEEN two party members, and have them fight the living embodiment of something getting in the way of the two of them as characters. but that's harder to write for

>>53880339
See: Zionism

>>53879476
Actually I'm his twin, AwfulRat. And I like it where I am thankyouverymuch

>>53879609
>Communism is bad, but it also doesn't work and naturally goes away
Could you expand on why you think it doesn't work, and how it "naturally goes away"

>>53872125
Sheev, you had your minions blow up a planet. Your evil literally turned you ugly.

>>53877952
>Villain
He wasn't even going to launch the nerve gas

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Don't know if its already been said but,
Villains who work for money and profit but only do so as a job and take a stand when necessary. Usually henchmen but also people like pic related. I think what makes certain ones stand out to me is they aren't deranged or hateful enough to kill children etc. But they also are on the side of good during world ending catastrophes, because a demon monster destroying the world doesn't work out in anyones favor.

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>>53877021
hello

>>53877952
Holy fucj, Dr Cox was in The Rock?

>>53878196
Legitimately curious to hear your interpretation. Haven't actually followed OP in a long time, and only really read it sporadically up to Ace's death even then

I get he's a wanted criminal, but the OP universe is such a crapsack world where the people at the top tend to be monsters because might makes right, and not being strong usually means needing someone who is both strong and altruistic to protect you. Which I suppose is actually not as grim and dark as it sounds since acquiring power is something that is super random and good people can acquire power as easily as bad people

>>53870275
>Top tier villain motivations
villains who just are cunts because they like it.

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>>53878471
Pic related.
I recommend The Gulag Archipelago.
t. former commie

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Real Estate

>>53874880
twenty minutes.

>villain is actually you

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unrepentant sluts

>>53879011
What a villain

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Villains who get caught up in a cause which consumes them to the point where anything is justifiable in their eyes, so long as it furthers their cause.

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Former heroes who couldn't go back to normal life.

>>53877743
>Better dead than red.
As automation continues to remove the need for human labor and thus destroy jobs, that's exactly the choice we get.
It's socialism in some form or starvation for all but the very richest.

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>>53870275
Just give me a villain you want to see win as much as the heroes and I'm good to go.

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>>53884572
That isn't even possible. Putting aside the technical limitations (there are many), socialism itself is a doomed ideal until we solve scarcity.
Otherwise, it becomes a ticking timebomb of the masses, those whom would normally be ether too stupid, violent or sick to survive DO survive, and breed (and due to how humans are wired, the worse they are at maintaining civilization the more children they will have). These new generations of the stupid, violent and sick now require food and care, and there are more of them. This continues until it is no longer sustainable.

Essentially, you keep sacrificing the future due to your unwillingness to do what needs to be done now (ether by inventing the tech required to sustain such masses, or by letting them die).
Until technology can support an endlessly growing population, Socialism in all it's forms is a pipe dream, a bomb. A drug that feeds on empathy. Cancer is probably the best metaphor for socialism imo.
I also haven't even gotten into the numerous social issues that would arise.

I guess my point is, the starvation is coming. How bad it hits depends on how long you put it off. Besides, I've yet to be convinced capitalism will turn out so poorly, or that there arn't better alternatives to capitalism the socialism which again, is a ideology akin to cancer

A villain who would've been an ally or a friend had you not been fighting for a different cause.
One who can respect you despite being opposed to you.

>>53876543
I too would like to hear more about this.

>>53882475
I'll give it a read, thanks.

for the record, I'm an anarkiddie so no vanguard for me please and thank you

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>>53870275
Bringing back their loved ones.

>>53878552
>Where? Certainly not in the People's Republic of China.
Yes he bloody is.

t. lived there

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>>53886279
>until we solve scarcity.
How is the idea of socialism related to scarcity?
That's a critique I often hear being directed at communism, where it is valid since a post-scarcity economy is a requisite of communism.
>those whom would normally be ether too stupid, violent or sick to survive DO survive, and breed
They still breed under capitalism. Artists, scientists and social workers are often forced to neglect their children because they have to work in order to survive under capitalism. Socialism assesses people's needs and abilities first and foremost, which means that more inequalities and calamities will be taken care of, so that more people have a chance to educate themselves and solve their own problems.
Capitalism on the other hand benefits the most ruthless and unscrupulouos the most, encouraging egotism and forming a dog-eat-dog society and pretending that's perfectly fine.
It also creates the artificial value that is money, which often has nothing to do with what people actually need, and more to do with devious esoteric number games.
>endlessly growing population
Most of population growth happens during the transition from agrarian to fully industrialized nations. People get more and more children because only few of them survive; then all of a sudden they do survive because healthcare and lots of food are available; then they stop getting so many children and population growth stagnates or starts even going backwards. This trend can be observed in many developing countries at the moment.

>>53886279
>endlessly growing population
You fucking retard. Population growth will cap at around 10 billion people.

You're fulla shit nigger.

>>53879309
Which countries?
iirc there have been no nations on earth that declared they had attained a state of communism

The general modus operandi was to try state socialism to reorganize from a previous system into communism, this state socialism became an easy tool for authoritarian leaders to cement the states into autocratic hellholes

>>53879791
You are not economically viable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7oglIAdnJM

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Literal omnipotent god-tier beings who are just bored are usually fun villains.

>>53887860
>artists
>social workers
>Not parasites

>Socialism assesses people's needs and abilities first and foremost, which means that more inequalities and calamities will be taken care of, so that more people have a chance to educate themselves and solve their own problems.
Hows that working for them in Venezuela?

>>53887942
>Which countries?
>iirc there have been no nations on earth that declared they had attained a state of communism
Someone is communist if they advocate or try to attain a state of communism. Most Leninist countries were communist at least on paper.
I'm sorry comrade, but the general understanding of the term communism refers to Leninist authoritarian left movements, and, by extension, to authoritarian or non-free market systems and ideas in general. There is no use in arguing semantics. We have to explain each other what we specifically want and how to attain it.
>>53888195
>>artists
>>social workers
>>Not parasites
Okay artists are a borderline case, but social workers, nurses, kindergarten teachers etc. contribute directly to basic needs of people who can't fulfill them on their own. Society would immediately collapse if we didn't have those people. Yet under capitalism, most of them work under dysmal conditions for extremely low wages.
>>53888195
>Hows that working for them in Venezuela?
Venezuela is currently a failing state not because of the left-populist/socialist policies of the government, but because they relied on one single resource for their economic growth for the last 30 years and that resource is running out now.

>>53888326
>Venezuela is currently a failing state not because of the left-populist/socialist policies of the government, but because they relied on one single resource for their economic growth for the last 30 years and that resource is running out now.
>Rely on a single resource to prop up your government's huge deficits
>Unable to adapt to loss of this income because your economic system is rigidly wired to depend exclusively on the government
>Not the result of left-populist policies
I'm not even an ancap or lolbertarian or even particularly right wing economically, but you can not say that Venezuela's failure is unrelated to its socialist policies.

>>53888326
>Okay artists are a borderline case, but social workers, nurses, kindergarten teachers etc. contribute directly to basic needs of people who can't fulfill them on their own. Society would immediately collapse if we didn't have those people. Yet under capitalism, most of them work under dysmal conditions for extremely low wages.
I'll give you nurses, but the health care system is fucked horribly by the incestuous relationship between health insurance and health care providers, which could use some serious regulation, but public schools are barely more than a governmental indoctrination system at this point.

>>53870275
Villias who could be the good guys from another point of view

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>>53870275
Villains with truly distorted views and actions, making up for the fact they can't have something as something else entirely. The one who has everything except for that one thing they can never get or understand due to circumstances.

>>53876957
>willing to do whatever it takes
>fucks around fighting gaelio rather than rallying the fleet after beardman starts dainsleifing everybody to death

>>53877279
>>53877367
>implying Tomaru has any bad genes to pass down
Well, besides the pedophilia I mean.

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yo buddy

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>>53870275
Villains how are will-to-power over(wo)men with no off buttons to their scenery chewing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi86yeXB9pI

>>53888440
>you can not say that Venezuela's failure is unrelated to its socialist policies.
Yeah okay, they certainly didn't help it. But I highly doubt the country would still be soaring high under a capitalist system.
>>53888440
>I'll give you nurses, but the health care system is fucked horribly by the incestuous relationship between health insurance and health care providers, which could use some serious regulation, but public schools are barely more than a governmental indoctrination system at this point.
Are you argumenting against socialism? Cause it sounds like you are actually advocating it.

>>53887803
No he bloody isn't.

t. lived there

>>53890742
...wow, Susan Storm sounds a lot like Sweet Dee Reynolds. Less bitter, I guess.

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>>53873648

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>>53882951

I want to make a villain that thinks he is doing good.

But I'm afraid the PCs will join him. How do you make a villain that thinks he is doing good but make the PCs want to fight him/stop him?

>>53892465
Make him kick a puppy

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>>53870275
Villains who truly believe in what they do, truly want to make the world a better place, and never relent against those who oppose their goals.

Opposing the heroes or hurting people is just an unfortunate byproduct of their plans, or a means to achieve a goal.

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>>53878417
>Stalin did nothing wrong
>Mao is beloved across the world

>>53877559
Is that gif from something?

>>53892854
Pic unrelated, I suppose. Shogo's a psychopath. He lit upon a convenient, even intellectually consistent, rationalisation for his crimes. That's all it is, though.

>>53887860
>Socialism assesses people's needs and abilities first and foremost, which means that more inequalities and calamities will be taken care of, so that more people have a chance to educate themselves and solve their own problems.
The big problem with that is that it's an unsolved detail. You should describe a way of doing that efficiently and accurately and you'd get more converts.

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>>53893390

>>53888147
They can be role played as an asshole though and I cringed every time there is a scene when a bored or laid back villain get serious cause he finally has a challenge.

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>>53870275
Ruling the world, getting away with it, making it illegal to think you rule the world all while playing victim. Pic related.

>>53893441
/pol/ pls go

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>>53871437
>hating communists
>villian

pick one

"I'm going to save the world by destroying it" is literally the worst villain motivation of all time

>>53893589
Right on cue. Good goy.

>>53872611
>Villains who have such long-term plans that everything they're doing right now is actually good, but they're going to be leveraging it for evil later.
>Elon Musk finally admits it.

>>53893390
>when you don't know a single one of these so called villains
You got a non-hipster version around?

>>53893937
Actually I do but you're being a dweeb.

>>53893441
Sounds good, how do we do it? How would the players learn about it if its illegal to question the rulers?

>>53893974
>Actually I do
Post it.

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>>53894019

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He just wanted a quiet life.

>>53893998
Simple, make the real heroes and everything which is right and true illegal and socially unacceptable to even consider that it may have a point.

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>>53880172
you called?
Who's the villain and who's the hero?

>>53894042
You don't have it, do you? It's okay. Someone else will eventually post a non-hipster version of your image, so that more people can actually understand it.

>>53870275
a villain that does see the bigger picture and can do necessary evil for the greater good, preferably someone who was a hero but learned that he can't save everybody, he's fully aware of what he's doing, his conscious is torturing him, he's broken, but he has to do it because nobody else will and takes responsibility for it, a lone wolf, nobody understands him, including PCs who just decide to fuck with him and make his life even harder, it's pure suffering through knowledge, i mean what you can do if you had to choose between the world ending or sacrificing a species? or maybe the two thirds of humans? what if you had to kill children that you know for sure they'll put the world into ruins?

>>53878417
>Stalin did nothing wrong and Mao is beloved across the world.
For your sake I sincerely hope that this is b8.

>>53878571
Denial: The Post

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>>53894168
Silly sperg.

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>>53887218
Literal austists

>>53894325
>62x89
kek

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>>53887218
Will settle for revenge if that doesn't work.

>>53890934
No. I am arguing for regulation, not socialism. There's a big difference between placing limitations on what essentially results in extortion, and having the entire process be government controlled and provided.
It's the difference between a road speed limit, and roads that only allow government provided, remote controled cars.

a twisted genius artist who wants to make the ultimate piece of art.

>>53870275
Villains who've become trapped in what they're doing and only seek death/escape from their own mistakes, putting others in the crosshairs to do so

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>>53895001

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>>53895001
?

>>53887907
>there is a population cap
Enforced by who, and what? What happens when it caps? Lacking detail.

>>53887860
>How is the idea of socialism related to scarcity?
Because socialism, just like communism, believes in the government spreading around the resources so everyone survives. Though it has a softer approach, and moves slower, the end result will be the same.

>They still breed under capitalism.
This is true, however, they would also die in a real capitalistic society without using more resources then they could acquire through the state.

>Socialism assesses people's needs and abilities first and foremost, which means that more inequalities and calamities will be taken care of, so that more people have a chance to educate themselves and solve their own problems.

Inequalities? Will you make all the short men taller? The dumb women smarter? Can you give everyone the lifestyle of Bill Gates?
I wouldn't allow my current lifestyle, much better then the majority of the planet, be taken from me by force (and it would take force). You underestimate not only the greed of the rich, but also the ambition of the poor. People WANT a ruthless, dog-eat-dog society. It is hard work, practicality, and will that feeds people, not kindness. If you favor kindness over those traits, you will starve.

>It also creates the artificial value that is money, which often has nothing to do with what people actually need, and more to do with devious esoteric number games.
Money has been a valuable tool for centuries, and a very useful one. The barter system is inefficient and limiting in reality. Though some have admittedly exploited the system, it still is the best option currently.

>Most of population growth happens during the transition from agrarian to fully industrialized nations.

True, but there still are many non-industrialized nations that need support, and to have true equality worldwide would break the abilities of civilization. Are you for national socialism?

>>53895372
>Enforced by who, and what? What happens when it caps? Lacking detail.
Its like in any RTS, you mong. You can still queue up new units, but they don't spawn until you're below the popcap. Women will just stay pregnant until somebody dies, then one woman will pop out one baby.

>>53878875
>already out of poverty - USA
A-haw haw haw haw haw haw haw

What do you think of this motivation (warning, long post)?
Vilain is born with a unusual physical characteristic, and his/her mother dieswhile giving birth to him/her, amking most of the village he/she lives in think he/she is cursed. When she/he is 8 years old, the same disease that had weakened the vilain's mother strucks the village again. The furious villagers blame the child, and try to kill him/her, but he/she unvoluntarly kills them with his/her power he/she discovers Under stress (plague manipulation), including the few people that supported him/her. This is the first step to the villain's fall: he/she sees himself/herself as a monster, and wonders if the rumors of him/her being cursed and being responsible for her/his mother death are true. The child wanders for some days, until he/she finds the nearest city, in which she/he makes some friends, until the pain he/she is feeling eases down. However,xhen he/she is 13 years old, an organisation that has been investigating what happened to the village finds him/her and kidnaps her/him to try to understand the source of his/her powers. They force him/her to use his:her power, and the only thing to stop her from being crazy is a doctor that takes the role of a new father figure for him/her. however, one day, she/he is told to kill someone, or the doctor wil be shot with a pistol. He/she thinks that he/she will be able to deal with the conséquences of this choice. He/she unfortunatly can't use her power with efficienty and once again unwinllingly use his/her power and kills the doctor and the person that treathened to kill him. She/he realise that the gun isn't loaded, and hat it was a bluff : the doctor only was nice to her/him so that she/he will make the choice of Killing the test subject. The Young adolescent snaps and goes on a rampage across the city, until he/she calms down. This his the second step on the road to becoming a villain : he/she has realized that the world is cruel.

>>53895970
Objectively true.

>>53895402
>Women will just stay pregnant until somebody dies, then one woman will pop out one baby.
This is someone's (my) magical realm.

>53896014
He/she starts to wander across the world, trying to find a sence to life, and across her.his long life (the setting's powers come with enhanced lifespan) can't come to a conclusion to wether humans and all inteligent life are good or evil, and if the world is Worth to keep existing or not. Eventually, he/she founds a villain group that accepts him/her, but the leader betrays her/fim once again. She/he kills him, fully unleashing his/her power for the first time, but doesn't want to take the lead of the group. Instead, he/she remains travelling, until he/she eventually start a familly. However, a reminder of his/her past makes him/her snap definitively and she kills the ones he/she loves once again. She/he decides hat even if the world has good points, the bad ones are majoritary, and that it should be destroyed to cease its suffering.
I know that this is a pretty weak story, and that they are a lot of redundancies, but they could be used to give the villain an impression of an ednless cicle of happiness and sadness.
PS :also, one of my first posts on 4chan

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>>53894608
>it's a "socialism is when the government does stuff" episode

>>53895402
I read a manga where this happened because humanity put everyone on the verge of death into a permanent dream-like comatose state stored in giant towers, which were sometimes rumored to be haunted iirc. Birthrates kept failing and no one could figure out why.

Someone eventually came to the obvious conclusion. It was pretty brutal.

>>53877666
Shit, I need to finish book 3.

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>>53877245
Family

>>53895372
>Enforced by who, and what? What happens when it caps? Lacking detail.
Education, mostly. Europe and the US/Canada already have birth levels below the replacement rate. As countries reach a higher standard of living with more access to general education and contraceptives, birth rates take a dive.

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A villain obsessed with his own genius to the point that even if he has some tertiary plans towards doing useful, 'good' things, or had said plans at one point, he becomes /too/ obsessed with said genius and focuses on punishing those who deny his godly talent by interfering with his plans or showing any hint of having better ideas than him.

Villains who are out to kill God.

Best done when after the MCs kill them, they realize that (the) God(s) are actually as bad as the villain was saying all along.

Can be really trite if not done correctly. It just comes off as really cliched diabolus ex nihilo shite.

I had a BBEG in one of my games, that was a hunter, but after being almost mortally wounded, joined a cult worshiping the universe's equivalent of a death God, (who is actually LN, the idea being he doesn't actually kill people, just sort of decides when someone should die. I never actually cleared it up, but he's not evil) in order to avoid dying, but after realizing that most of the gods are basically puppeteering people, he quit, and decided to go on a crusade against the Gods.

The whole campaign's premise was that they got caught up in the Death God Cult's attempts to assassinate the BBEG in an attempt to keep the peace, while the BBEG attempted to find local maguffin #1342 to attain omnipotence, kill the Gods, then kill himself, because he couldn't live with what he'd done.

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>>53897110
I've gotten really tired of the whole "celestial realm is actual teh evahl!" trope.
You can practically call the entire plot of a game or show from the first episode because of it.
I'd like to see a few settings where the protags are convinced this trope is the case, and then get a whole bucketfull of "oh, I guess we were wrong and now all the Outer Things are clawing their way through reality. Oops."

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>>53893602
You forgot
>All of the above

>>53870275
Villains who do evil shit to counter some super evil thing only they know is coming.
>I tried to warn you it was coming. But your leaders felt debates on school funding and border disputes were more important.
>I don't need them to listen. Only obey.

>>53897397
Villains who turn themselves into the worlds enemy to make the government build up to fight the real threat.

>>53876901
That is an amazing battlecry.

>>53897323
It's a shame that it's massively overdone really.

I really like that trope, but with it being so damn prevalent, it's easy to fall into the trap of being formulaic.

I was always quite careful to never call the Gods "evil". They're Gods. They're not operating from a human perspective.

Unfortunately, often times they completely lack tact with it.

>>53895402
>tfw when it was Starcraft all along

>>53896512
That is true, but the standards of living required for that level of education arn't possible for the majority of the population of the world... however travel is. We are already seeing the consequences of that imbalance with Europe and the Middle East.
As things stand, globalization is the largest obstacle to any lasting socialist society.
until the rest of the world (India, Africa, South and Central America) get to higher level, socialism will always be doomed by migration and population replacement, because those lower civilization will continue to pop out more people, who will then move to acquire a better life.
Hell, even if you got the number under control, you are still just developing a government dependent underclass for the rich to exploit. Even if you spread money, food and care around, there will always be those who consolidate power, favors, connections and wealth.
I just don't see socialism as a possibility anytime within this century. Technology and industrialization needs to spread across the world before it even has a hope of happening.

>>53893278
Shogo is a psychopath because he lacks empathy, yeah. But his crimes are not the goal: the crimes are a way to achieve his dream.

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>>53896237
>it's a "socialistic policies aren't socialism unless it's full-retard socialism" episode

>>53897453
How about instead of Gods being Evil, just make them a bunch of Sports Hooligans, and the Grand War Between Good and Evil is actually your God getting into a squabble with the Evil God over who gets the remote.

>>53897323
It wouldn't happen as often if angels weren't spooky as hell and if fucked up shit wasn't done for arbitrary reasons multiple times in every abrahamic religion's mythology.

>>53896372
>obvious solution
Illuminate this poor idiot would you?

>>53897530
I did that!

Not in a game. In a novel. Don't ask. It'll never be finished.

>>53897532
Did that in the same thing. Angels are basically just shoggoths but humanoid and on fire. The fact that the Crusaders and Evil Lovecraftian Cults are basically just the exact same thing is played for laughs by the other factions

>>53870275

Wait, the BBEG in Zero was... globalism!?

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>>53870275
When their motivations are unknowable.

>>53897533
Think about it. Every single human stays alive, forever. No one can die. At the same time, increasingly less people are born. The ghost stories in the towers are just icing.

The conclusion one of the characters (a supervisor of a tower of the dead) comes to is that everyone's souls are trapped inside their forever undying bodies, unable to reincarnate as new life. He believes mankind's attempts to stave off death are about to bring about it's extinction, causing him go a bit of the deep end and successfully disable the entire tower he his responsible for, becoming presumably the greatest mass murderer ever known to mankind. His theory is never proven, either.

It's one of several stories the main character, a young boy, lives through, witnessing the actions of his past and future lives. The antagonist is a girl in the present who wants him to witness the sins he committed in his other lives (in which she is often also antagonistic) if I remember correctly. The manga is called Spirit Circle and it's neato, but all the different lives have very different tones so that one is unique.

>>53877666

Sounds badass, source?

>>53897815
That sounds really cool actually. I don't often read manga, but the idea tickles my fancy, so I might give it a look. Cheers for spoonfeeding laddie.

>>53897846
Mistborn, by Brandon Sanderson. Sometimes published with the subtitle The Final Empire.

>>53878383
>guys, Hollywood is corrupt, evil, and full of partisans using the media to push Marxism

McCarthy was 100% right even if his power corrupted him.

>>53876723
Though the show itself wasn't exactly my bread and butter, I was able to enjoy the first season solely for this dude. Like you said, I love how he knows what he's doing is fucking wrong, but justifies it as;

>If I win, none of it ever happens so I'll be absolved
>If I lose, I don't give a shit what happens to this world, or to me, so you better hope I win

What would this type of villain be classified as, if I had to a trope-tier term?

>>53877707

She would be an unironically great villain if she wasn't acting purely out of weakness, racial guilt, and a misplaced mother complex because she's a childless and profoundly unhappy woman whose entire life is small, drab, and lonely.

George Soros, now, is a fascinating villain from a standpoint of "real people who should be fictional characters", but I've grown disenchanted with him as a villain over time. He somehow manages to both be too ideological and too profit-focused to be a really great villain.

Sadiq Khan has great potential for a "king of a quietly conquering people" sort of narrative, by the way.

>>53886279

Commies btfo

>>53878949
The psion in Goblins: the webcomic was done pretty well

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>>53878722
>best gun - 'murica
>best botes - 'murica
>best planes - 'murica
>best entertainment - 'murica (honorable mention to sidekick Nippon)
>most alpha leader - 'murica
>most medical patents - 'murica
>has effective hegemony over the entire globe - 'murica
>subsidized Europe's defense until we decided to kick the lazy niggers out and bully them into paying their share - 'murica
>invented everything important within the last several centuries - 'murica
>best freedoms - 'murica

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>>53898138
>George Soros, now, is a fascinating villain from a standpoint of "real people who should be fictional characters", but I've grown disenchanted with him as a villain over time. He somehow manages to both be too ideological and too profit-focused to be a really great villain.
I think all this time he's just setting up for a big trade.

Money based villains are the best.

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Villains who started out righteous but were gradually corrupted by power

>Bonus points if they hide behind their self righteousness to the very end like pic related
>Bonus points if they are confronted by an old ally and friend who has joined up with the protagonists to stop them
>See also: Light Yagami