Warhammer Fantasy (Battles) General - /wfg/

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First for no chance of ever getting a proper Nippon army.

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>>53860460

> Battles

>>53860460
Fuck they look so glorious. I ought to finish a beastmen campaign in total WH. What lord should I pick?

>>53860911
Use Bretonnia.

For an Araby army, empire sounds like a good base?

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>>53860941
Khazrak. Morghur is overpowered and Malagor's start position is cancerous for the Beastmen playstyle.

>>53861024

I think Empire could be used to represent any of the human factions with some imagination and not using the artillery. Elephants would probably be the hardest thing to get around, you can also buy a flying carpet as an upgrade for generals from the magic items list in the BRB.

>>53860929
dumb frogposter

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>>53861309

>>53861242

They look good, what bases are you feeling?

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>>53861405
dunno. probably some foresty shit but havent really thought about it yet. i havent done any research on basing techniques yet.

>>53861268
Elephants could just be demigryphs.
Now to actually find elephants.

>>53861563

I would use the lord of the rings one GW sell, no work needed just replace the figures on top. He'll be too large for a demigryph though.

>>53861563

a cursory google search of war elephant miniatures 28mm brings up a slew of apparent examples

primarily intended as Carthaginian or greek elephants

>>53861816
I don't think something as fuck-off-huge as a mumakil can count as just a demigryph.

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>it's actually cheaper to get a box of demigryph knights than it is to get 3 elephants
That's a first.

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>>53862113

I would count it as Karl Franz on a dragon and make it the centrepiece model.

Save the demigryphs for camel riders.

>>53862560

why is warlordgames so good

>>53862579

Because it's a privately owned business and only has to answer to someone who loves playing wargames and is therefore run with the same mentality that old GW was run with.

ie. lets make great games and great models and hopefully a profit as well.

>>53862560
But Oliphaunts cannot fly.

>>53862610

Well if you don't try you'll never know.

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>>53862610
They're so massive your average terrain piece is inconsequential.

>>53862691

Good point.

Come on anon, you can't do an Araby army and pass on a massive plastic fantasy elephant.

>>53862721
True.

So in Fantasy did they ever hint at what created the Chaos Gods like they have in Fantasy?

>>53861242
They added morghur to beastmen?

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>>53864774
yes

>>53864824
How is he? Is he a mage or a warrior?

>>53864849
he's a melee lord with a regeneration aura, a shield that makes him impervious to damage (periodically goes down for a few seconds), and 2 abilities that summon chaos spawns (one is just a normal summon, other kills at unit at 20% hp to summon them)

he's insanely good and easily the best lord choice for beastmen, but no mount options

>>53864745
Wut?

Anyway 5th edition hordes of chaos army book states that chaos gods and daemons are physical manifestation of mortal feelings and superstitions. They exist because mortals believe they exist. Even barely knowing the concept of chaos entities gives them strenght.

It's stated that the chaos gods would literally cease to exist if people stopped believing in their existence, but as long as a single mortal believed in their existence (not necessarily worshipping them) they would live

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>>53865118
oh boy I fucked that one up.

I meant "like they have in 40k". But, what I meant is if they ever hinted at when they came to be- like 40k's War in Heaven, or as a more explicit example, the Fall of the Eldar with Slaanesh.

I read the 8th ed Daemons book last weekend and Slaanesh being mentioned as the youngest got me thinking "Well how old are they exactly...?", and since people here tend to have more knowledge and access to things I might not even know how to begin looking for, I figured I'd ask.

Noob question: are human, dwarven, halfling and elvish deities more powerful than the Old Ones?

>>53866726
Halfling don't have gods

Apart from that, in very recent and better ignored lore it was stated that asuryan was actually an old one.

That said, i should say so, since the old ones are dead

>>53866759
>since the old ones are dead
I thought that was 40k lore, and in Fantasy they just kinda' fucked off and no one knew where they went. Except maybe for Kroak.

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>>53866816
afaik in 40k they were btfo and in fantasy they just kinda buggered off, leaving the lizardmen on the globe to develop blue balls from being frustrated by gold plaques

>>53866989
Sometimes I think 90% of all the shitty things on this board are because of a small minority of autists.

>>53861563
Wouldn't the stank be more suitable?

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>>53867022
okay?
>>53862691
Kinda disappointing how the LoTR games never took off
No one plays them still, right?
>>53861416
Golly gosh darn, basing is the bane of my existence
I might just get some terrain goop to be done with it nice and fast myself, to be honest

>>53867037
>Kinda disappointing how the LoTR games never took off
You must have missed the 4-5 years after its launch. GW practically forgot 40k and WHFB existed, as did many of the playerbase.
It's still played heavily in the UK and some parts of the US, but for the most part you'll have to go out of your way to find a group on their respective facebook pages

>>53866759
>Halfling don't have gods

What about Esmerelda, Josias, Phineas and Quensberry?

>>53867030
The steam mechanics and all other "mechanical" special rules that apply to the Steam Tank don't really seem fitting for a flesh-and-blood creature.

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>>53867135
idk man, no one where I live played it at all, even when it came out
Some people got the starter when the movies were coming out but thats about it
I even have the Osgiliath one
The rules are pretty nifty (free gollum boii)

>>53866726
Probably.
They weren't immediately BTFO by Chaos.

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Just posting my bearington unit filler progress, he's still got a long way to go but is shaping up.

got the majority of painting on the bear/holster itself to go

>>53867314
Them ain't gods more than how the dwarven ancestors are

>>53868473
What constitutes a god in WHFB anyway?
Chaos Gods are just powerful demons new fluff get out reeee, the same might go for the Elven and old world gods, the Dwarf's and Sigmar are reverred ancestors that might get elevated to "godhood" by faith. You might actually be able to create a new god/elevate yourself to godhood by orchestrating a cult over hundreds or of years.

>>53868519
>Chaos Gods are just powerful demons new fluff get out reeee

The Gods were never just daemons though.
They create daemons, but are not daemons themselves.

>>53868541
They were powerful amalgamations bound to the emotions of living creatures. In essence, an unthinkable mass of emotion magic that sometimes emanates in a certain way. Khorne is every bloodletter, all of them are Khorne and more. That's why they are fickle and chaotic, they aren't one sentient creature, they are moving masses and a single demon is a fraction of that. So, in essence, they are just bigass demons that are so bloated that they aren't clearly defined anymore because they have encroached on so many areas. They ARE their domains. But in theory, every demon could become that powerful if he somehow managed to garner the power and wrestle domains from the others.
At least it used to be this way sometimes and the Literal God with Sapience interpretations always seemed incredibly dumb to me.

>>53868608
>But in theory, every demon could become that powerful

No. Daemons are created by the Gods. A God could in theory expend all his energy and create a daemon as powerful as he was, but daemons are different from the Gods.

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>>53862691
this post inspired me to get my own plastic elephant to use as a either a chariot or strap a cannon to it and call it a steam tank. Unfortunately I think it might be too big for its base.
What do you think?

>>53868643
This was clearly stated but I think it was a lot more ambiguous in the older editions, especially in regards to the relationship of the Horned Rat and the elven gods with the Warp and somesuch.

>>53861024
Elite infantry, lots of light and medium cavalry, "weird" cavalry (camels), "weird" infantry (dervishes), some cannons and gunners, casters are djinni-summoning magi.

>>53866989
>ywn be incessantly bullied by a wood elf waywatcher whose banter is on point

>>53867037

A lot of people in /awg/ play SBG. It still has a following but a lot of people are waiting for FW to update it to the middle-earth SBG.

>>53867800

I would have undercoated and painted the bear, the only white bears are polar bears.

>>53868648
Definitely a one model unit.

Is there a generally accepted or even reasonably debated run down of the various editions of whfb, what they added, what's better for what, etc? Did an edition manage to balance heroes:units? Also for skirmish and warband adaptations?

I've only played bloodbowl for gw fantasy stuff, and am interested in manoeuvring blocks of doods.

>>53870153
8th is the big blocks of dudes edition

>>53870153
You separate WHFB in roughly three eras, 1st/2nd (being more of a Wargame/RPG hybrid than others), 3rd through 5th (being the Herohammer Editions) and 6th through 8th (being the more block focused editions)

6th Edition was a big overhaul and is in my opinion generally the best edition, but not flawless, because 7th Edition brought a much needed Magic overhaul and 8th Edition gave Infantry more staying power (but went completely overboard)
Our group plays 6th Edition because it has reasonably sized armies and gorgeous supplements, with Magic from 7th and casualties from the back + Steadfast (negated together with rank bonus) and it plays great.

>>53870287
>>53870345
Cool thanks.

What's up with 9th Age?

>>53865201
nurgle comes about the plague of justinian (541 ad)
Khorne comes about the crusades (1095-1291)
Tzeentch im not sure I think renaissance (1452-1580ish)
but they don't really do shit until much later

>>53870413
Wasn't this just /tg/ headcanon? I mean this doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

>>53870366
9th Age is basically 8th Edition with a few changes

>>53870287
Yeah, a lot of blocks with a lot of dudes and very little pushing going on in 8th

>>53870466
Chaos Gods being born from humanity in 40k was always nonsensical when there were star-spanning empires of sentient creatures around millions of years before humans even developed

>>53870515
Exactly why it doesn't make sense, or is some of the worst human-wank in the setting.

>>53870497
6th with houserules it is.

>>53870625
You could either try out 6th straight up while keeping in mind that Magic and Casualties in combat are questionable, or you start looking for fixes right out of the gate.

Magic from 7th Edition is pretty easy to transfer to 6th.
As for the infantry fixes:
>Casualties are removed from the back, NOT from the front/"Step Up" rule
This fixes one of the bigges complaints about 6th Edition straight up. In 6th, casualties are taken from the front, meaning: If your unit is four wide and four guys are killed before your initiative comes up, you don't get to hit back. This is a pretty simple fix that gives some hitting power to block infantry.

>Negatable Steadfast
Steadfast is a rule from 8th Edition that says, in essence, as long as a unit has more full ranks than the biggest unit on the opposing side, they get to take morale checks without penalty if they lose. This gives blocks enhanced staying power, but leads to the inevitable problem of unbreakable buses with fucktons of ranks.
The easy fix is to take the above rule and add
>A unit can only be steadfast if it has a rank bonus
This gives blocks greater staying power against MSU chargers, not too much and places greater value on maneuvering.

I'd change nothing else at first, only if something comes up that your group really doesn't like.

There was a guy asking for FAQ's last thread, I have them if you tell me which ones you want.

>>53871301

See, I told you /WFG/ should write it's own edition based on 6.

>>53870515

I think people are taking it too literally, exchange humans with all sentient creatures and it makes sense.

>>53871301
This is helpful, thanks again.

>>53871861
Another anon here. Instead of house rules. Just play 9th age. It's the best one of the bunch because it's fun

>>53871928
I went and downloaded that too. I'm going to give it a read over the next bit. Can you give me a quick rundown on differences/things they changed vs other editions?

>>53860460

Fellas and felletes,

I'm thinking of making a 3000pt Chaos list for 8th/8.5 but the only real way to make it competitive that I see, would be making the list half Daemons and half Warriors.

Is it normal to feel that Chaos feels a bit limited in terms of buildup and composition? I miss the synergy of Undead Legions, Aelves and Greater Emp.

Units that I like:

Sorceror Lord
Chosen
Budlighters
Chariot - gorebeast and regular (seemingly the go-to troop choice, obscene value)
Shrine
Krushers
Flash hounds

and Throgg

>>53872810

Both demons and warriors alone are already competitive.

Throgg is arguably op

You can have a 1+/3++ hero with rerollable 1's on saving throw just with WoC

>>53872810

Warriors of Chaos are pretty good by themselves to be honest, Throgg makes trolls core and is one of the most competitive set ups.

Chaos's biggest limitation is it's lack of range, pretty much all three arms need to rush up the board.

>>53872810
>Aelves

>>53872943
>>53873603

I like how they've got a simplistic design philosophy, math-hammer can be really fun sometimes I always put too many points into lords and heroes, though.

Also no more Throgg on the GW website! D :

>>53873744

Saves me typing out 'Milf-hunter Malekith and the Phunky Bunch", to give them their official title

Would a drawfag happen to be present? I'd really like to see a young Deathclaw terrorizing the Altdorf palace staff while a young Karl thinks it's harmless fun.

>>53872810
I've had some sucess fielding a unit or two of forsaken in my battles. They make a fun random addition to your army with potential for tremendous dmg-output. My most fond memory of them was that time when a unit of 5x Forsaken "one-shotted" a Giant.

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While we're on the subject of WoC can anyone tell me if 2x Chariots of Nurgle are a sufficient flank force in a generic game of 1500, 2000 and/or 2500 points or if it would be prudent to enforce that flank with some additional unit(s)?

>>53875141
Would they be flanking together or would they cover both?

>>53875524
They would together be responsible for one flank.

>>53875562
Sounds like it could work. If they tie up a unit or two, act in concert with infantry or cavalry, or waste your enemy's time, then they've done their job. Probably their best use is making your enemy worry about them, most of all.

Though I should say the same job could be done by a unit of Marauder Horsemen which will also deny them their rank bonus if they work with other units, and can reform easier.

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>>53875614
Could a unit of Marauder Horsemen really reliably solo a flank?

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>>53875670
Maybe not solo, but get on your enemy's mind? Definitely. The threat of them will make him double check his moves. Does he protect his flanks or does he protect his wizards/artillery? Doubt is the death of generals.

That and wearing flashy uniforms on the front line.

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>>53875742
That's actually quite neat to know as I like the fluff I've come up with for my Marauder Horsemen but have yet to field them due to, atleast from my understanding, their poor capabilities on paper.

However what I was thinking with my 2x Chariots of Nurgle was that they would be able to reliably (in most situations) take care of one flank. Perhaps a more prudent way to go about it would be to use 2x Gorebeast Chariots of Nurgle instead? I suppose that I could always spend the core tax on some forsaken or even an additional unit of warriors.

>>53860911

You should play historicals or look into the L5R RPG if you want to do the samurai thing.

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>>53869874
thankfully I did that last night, and it's still a polar bear. Just a dirty one

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>Beastmen edition

I was actually collecting Yiffmen before GW killed WHFB.

Had this idea that I was going to do grey fur with red armor/cloth.

>>53876588
I like them, it's like a norsca beast theme

>>53870466
>>53870515
>>53870574
It wasn't headcanon and it was pretty good IMO. It was the ultimate irony in 40k: these beings who were the worst enemies of humanity were created from humanity's own flaws. It wasn't perfect but I preferred it a million times over the new "Chaos is infinite" crap the lore's pulling.

>>53864745
TL;DR they were powerful spirits that came into the world when the Warp Gates collapsed.

>>53868541
The Gods of Chaos/Order weren't daemons but they weren't gods. That mantle was given to them after they came into the world.

>>53867690
The Old Ones weren't BTFO either. Chaos (and Order) only came into existence after the Warp Gates fell new fluff get out, but the Warp always had an innate corrupting or controlling influence over things. The Old Ones themselves resisted it pretty easily but their creations couldn't, so they kept making worlds to resist the Warp's influence. Technically they could've beaten the Warp immediately had they just closed it off, like what the Elves tried to do later, but since the Warp was necessary for space travel they didn't want to give up their empire, so instead they just kept trying to make living things that could fight the Warp's influence. When the Gates fell they didn't lose or get BTFO, they just shrugged and fucked off.

Lizzies say they'll come back and kick Chaos back into the Warp someday, which fuels everything they and the fat frog do, which is preparing for their return which may or may not actually happen.

>>53862579
plastic landsknechts coming soon apparently

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what did they mean by this?

>>53878396
>The Gods of Chaos/Order weren't daemons but they weren't gods. That mantle was given to them after they came into the world.

Nope they were Gods.
Also Chaos predates the fall of the Warp gates.

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>>53878396
>The Old Ones weren't BTFO either.

>Either dead or sent packing with their scaly tails between their legs
>Not BTFO

>>53878895
I stand corrected, this is true.

Chaos as an entity - the Gods of Chaos - though didn't exist until the Gates collapsed. Up until that point there was no defined side of Chaos and Order, there were just Void Gods who believed different things. When the Gates collapsed that's when Khorne and company declared themselves Chaotics and Alluminas and company declared themselves Lawful, with both chaos and law being two of the multitude of possibilities of reality.

Before that Chaos just basically meant Entropy, uncertainty and such. Chaos as a term didn't refer to Chaos in the way we think of it, just like Order didn't refer to things fighting against manfiested Chaos but Gods in the Void who stood for stability and anti-entropy.

Remember that Realm of Chaos mentions the possibility of the current Chaos Gods could be fragments or pieces of a much larger entity, The Great Undivided, who lies in the center of the Warp. In this case the Order Gods are fragments of some singular Law entity. I wonder who the Big Gods of Chaos and Order are.

Probably Gork and Mork.

>>53879064
>the old ones got BTFO
>"their fate is unknown"

>>53879234
>>"their fate is unknown"

We're given three options. They died in the cataclysm, they died in the resultant invasion or they ran away, abandoning the world.

>>53879234
>Chaos as an entity - the Gods of Chaos - though didn't exist until the Gates collapsed.

Yes they did.
>These are the Gods of Chaos, beings of immense power that fuel the struggles of the younger races from beyond the veil, and they would prove to be the undoing of the Old Ones.

>When the Gates collapsed that's when Khorne and company declared themselves Chaotics and Alluminas and company declared themselves Lawful, with both chaos and law being two of the multitude of possibilities of reality.

No, Law was only one of the possibilities of Chaos. The beings of Chaos did not change, the beings of Law did.

>>53879285
>in any case

I hope you're not going full Constitutionalist and saying that, in a sentence that says "It is unknown if...", three things listed are the absolute only possibilities whatsoever, especially when the next sentence begins with "In any case".

>>53879344

Except no, they didn't. The Void just had Gods prior to the Warp Gate collapse. Some of these Gods were different. Only after the Gates fell did the Chaos Gods we know of manifest, as the book says, "as true Chaotics, beings of whim and change", and along with them came beings who preferred a single-minded approach, "lawful beings" whose ideas clashed with those of the "true Chaotics". This clash became what we know as the struggle between Chaos and Order for dominion of the world and its inhabitants, and the goal evolved over the years to the point of, rather than contesting dominion with similar but different fellow beings from the Void, now the two sides just want to permanently destroy each other. Whenever this happens, it's said the Void will sweep everything up into primordial and formless beings, Gods and all, and return them to the spiritual essences they once were. Basically everything's destroyed and Malal's dream comes true, except he's destroyed too.

To understand the old lore you've got to read into it and unfortunately a lot of what built it up, like White Dwarf and early web supplements, have been lost. Reading Moorcock and understanding his thoughts on the balance of Order and Chaos in a fantasy world also helps tremendously, since it's his ideas that were adopted (initially) for Warhammer's Gods of Order and Chaos.

>>53879436
>Except no, they didn't. The Void just had Gods prior to the Warp Gate collapse.

Chaos Gods, yes.
>all were creatures of the void, all had their roots in the Chaos stuff that composed their own realms.

>Reading Moorcock and understanding his thoughts on the balance of Order and Chaos in a fantasy world also helps tremendously, since it's his ideas that were adopted (initially) for Warhammer's Gods of Order and Chaos.

Except Moorcock doesn't help at all, because the Balance does not exist in Warhammer and never did. Law was only a small aspect of Chaos. and was ultimately fated to be consumed by Chaos once again.

>>53879550
>Except Moorcock doesn't help at all, because the Balance does not exist in Warhammer and never did. Law was only a small aspect of Chaos. and was ultimately fated to be consumed by Chaos once again.

Pretty nice fanfiction

>>53879689
What part of that is fanfiction?

>>53879719
That Law was only a small aspect of Chaos. Both the Chaotics and Lawfuls are said to be dfferent possibilities of Chaos, but Chaos itself is a neutral, primordial thing. It's just energy or eldritchy material. The Law Gods and Chaos Gods were both only living aspects of raw energy, and while 1st ed of WFRPG says both are doomed to be destroyed and consumed by the Void, that was expanded on later, and there were other possible outcomes. The book itself even talks about the Gods of Order winning and what their world would look like.

>>53879769
>That Law was only a small aspect of Chaos.

Not fanfiction.
>Law being but one of the multitudinous possibilities of Chaos

>Both the Chaotics and Lawfuls are said to be dfferent possibilities of Chaos, but Chaos itself is a neutral, primordial thing.

Chaos is the thing. From Chaos there are Chaos beings, but also Lawful beings as Law is but one form of Chaos. Law is Chaos, but not Chaos in it's entirety as the "true chaotics" are.

>1st ed of WFRPG says both are doomed to be destroyed and consumed by the Void

No, it says Lawful beings are. The Chaos beings will remain to enforce their will on the them.

>there were other possible outcomes.

No there wasn't.

>The book itself even talks about the Gods of Order winning and what their world would look like.

It talks about what the world would look like if they won, but it never actually says they can win, instead it states that they are doomed.

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RIP AOS

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>>53868541
>>53868643
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>>53879064
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>>53879719
>>53879890

Fuck off you degenerate Carnacfag.

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>>53880675

>>53880679
>Arguing with sources makes you Carnac

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>>53880711

Thread died with 34 posts.

>>53880759
That's been pretty normal for them.

>>53880804

Bit childish but it made me happy.

>>53880759
>b-b-b-but AoS is s-selling faster th-than Fantasy e-ever did! r-right guys?

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>>53880877
Don't respond to AoS fags.

>Chaos is shit on the tabletop
>Chaos is shit in TW
>Chaos only ever wins in the writing due to Mary sue faggotry or vast unsustainable hordes

Chaos was a mistake

>>53881001
>>53881001
2009 was the last year Chaos was good and Warhammer was good

I know it goes without saying but GW really shit the bed on every version of them since in both worlds. Chaosfags act like they're victimized and pooped on in the universe when literally everything now is written towards making Chaos unstoppable unfightable and endless.

Your faction isn't the weakest when it's the only faction the developers of the game like and one they wank to constantly.

>>53881001
>>Chaos is shit on the tabletop

Depends on the era.

>>Chaos only ever wins in the writing due to Mary sue faggotry or vast unsustainable hordes


Chaos wins given their vast strength. It's actually Mary Sue to be able to beat Chaos at all given how vastly more powerful it is than anything else.

>>53881040
What's sad is how apparent their railroading with Chaos is. It basically boils down to Chaos is awesome because we say they're awesome, regardless of how they actually play.

>>53881001
H-hahah, y-yeah, who would play Chaos a-anyway...?

>>53881072
>when you get so butthurt that your favorite faction gets destroyed in a lore campaign that you retcon the entire thing and make them unbeatable because you say so and then mock and laugh in the faces of players who don't like the changes and then begin destroying factions and making things even worse if players complain about them

Companies like E.A. may be greedy, but Games Workshop is just petty.

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>>53881135
CA is the step dad that treats you right, except sometimes he asks you to buy breakfast.

GW is the dad that blames you for all his failings.

>>53881101
I hate chaosfags but I don't hate people who play or like Chaos, not at all. I believe Storm of Chaos era Warhammer was the best and even though Chaos lost they were still a threat. I like that. I like them being a threat and standing toe to toe with everyone else, having their own strengths and weaknesses as any faction should.

But when you become a fag for Chaos or any faction, like /tg/'s Carnac, that's when it gets bad, when your playful in-universe disdain for other "inferior" factions becomes literally out-of-game wanting them to be removed, destroyed, and trashed while your faction is buffed as much as possible and made to be the single ultimate faction ever while also insulting and mocking everyone else... that's when it gets bad, and that's exactly what GW did.

Like you can hate Xeno scum want to purge all Greenskins, but that doesn't mean you go and demand and yell and shout for Greenskins and Xenos to be completely destroyed and removed from the game while your faction is made totally omnipotent. That's just factionfaggotry rather than faction fandom.

And for all we make fun of chaosfags like Carnac here, GW themselves are the ultimate chaosfags and that isn't looking likely to change. Ever since 2010 any story about Chaos is either them destroying everyone else without breaking a sweat or some powerful character coming in and seemingly standing against them only to get annihilated by some TOTALLY NEW AND NEVER BEFORE SEEN power of Chaos so they can make Chaos look even more powerful and everyone else look even more pathetic.

Worfing to a whole new level.

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>>53881244
To be fair, Chaos is the ultimate enemy. Even greenskins can recognize that, as they...sorta did in Storm of Chaos. Being the end of existence doesn't help, as it's like Doctor Who and trying to find a bad guy and Davros starts robbing banks.

I've written a Chaos lord that desperately wants to avert the End Times, which happened in his timeline several hundred years in the future. He would rather keep the status quo than see the universe end.

>>53881346
I personally prefer Chaos being somewhat less of an omnipresent threat than it normally is in Fantasy. I like a bit more of a balanced approach to the various threats; sure, there's Chaos, but then there's the Skaven and Greenskins to worry about.

And don't get me started on them nasty Nippon bastards.

>>53881386
Honestly it should always be there, like a fact of life. But it needs to take a back seat to other threats. Like when learned men say Chaos is getting stronger and more intense, it shouldn't get quicker with each Incursion, it should be completely random. At least with their daemon allies. The Norscans, Kurgans and Hung can be predictable with how many warriors they can produce.

>>53881346

>He would rather keep the status quo than see the universe end.
One of the things I hate most about NuHammer is how the motivations of Chaos make no sense and are insultingly shitty to other factions.

Chaos didn't intend destruction of the world, at least not in the end. They were empowered by followers and wanted to corrupt and control everything. People worshipping them was what gave them power. They wanted to rule reality. However, the old books say that if Chaos won or lost reality would be so fucked either way that it'd all be destroyed, and some old stories involved the Chaos deities and their best followers trying to think of ways to avoid it, gaining more followers to maybe become strong enough to avoid it, just like the old gods of Law did. It made Chaos feel like a real faction rather than lolrandumb villain sues.

But what the fuck is their motivation now? They control infinite universes and don't need followers? Nothing can ever stop them because they just can't? The only reason they didn't destroy the world before was because they were bored? All other gods are weak shits in their light? Only Sigmar poses even a mild threat and they can just warp him away like it's nothing?

Zero motivation, shitting on all other factions, becoming unstoppable, making no sense, and become irritatingly awful Mary Sues.

It genuinely pisses me off that GW did this.

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Bearington the unit filler is complete! . Posting some pics

>>53881244
Dude calm down, I get you. I also think Archaon is a shit character and that all the chaoswank is trash. I used to know a guy before it got out of hand that was a "Chaosfag" as we here would describe it. He was completely convinced that Tzeentch was literally the best and most powerful thing every; that he was behind everything and that any and every event ever forever was part of his machinations. It's because of him that I regard Tzeentch as the god of pretentious faggots, with Tzeentch being the most pretentious of them all. He's just a batshit insane bird that could probably be ignored if not for his dick-sticking into other people's business.

There's a reason why I play Daemons and not Warriors, and why I prefer Khorne and Slaanesh (mostly Slaanesh); they don't really give a fuck if they win or loose, or how long they're in the material realm. They're there to do what they do. Khorne daemons just want to tussle and Slaanesh daemons want to goof off and see what they can get into while they're there.

To me, it's not about winning. Destroying the world is counter-intuitive. BTFOing everyone is as well. If the world was destroyed fuck you, GW what are we daemons supposed to do? The Material realm is where all the fun shit happens.

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>>53881441
2/3

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>>53881430
This was part of my BBEG's motivations in WFRP. He was from a future where Chaos won and all reality started to dissolve. The gods themselves were boiled down to their basic traits which manifested into the first weapon of humanity, the spear. He just barely managed to escape the end of time and plotted against other Tzeentch cults due to his utter terror.

>>53881441
>>53881458
That's a really cute hat.

>>53881446
I get you too my dude, not uncalm at you. I just put a lot into Warhammer over the years. It was and is still something memorable and special to me, and they fucked it up without the slightest hesitation. It sucks.

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>>53881458
3/3 for some scale and better lighting. Pretty happy with the result all things considered

>>53881441
>>53881458

very cute

>>53881519

he'd better be unkillable!

>>53881490
>>53881520
Thanks anons the greatsword kit comes with so many cool bits, like that hat. When I put it on the bear as a whim I knew what I must do.

>>53881945
I hope so too anon, since he is literally 4 greatswords And will be sitting in the unit of 28 I have a good feeling about him

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Post your worst models.

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>>53883140
I made the mistake of trying to paint over some secondhand bretonnian archers early in my painting days. For reference each model was painted thickly enough to paint 20 archers. At least yours have a face

>>53881490
post more warhammer spurdo edits

this is literally the main reason i visit this thread

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>>53883989

>>53884020
>that dragon head

holy shit

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>>53883989

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>>53884071

>>53884020
>Archump
Amazing

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>>53884127
And this is the last one I have.

>>53880786
The banquet must have been quite a sight

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>>53884173
Obligatory.

>>53881135
There seems to always have been a strong cabal of Chaosfags within GW. Remember Tamurkhan? That was already supposed to lead into the destruction of WHFB, if only in the "far far far" future. People hated it so much that they aborted the idea after one book.
Then they turned around and pulled it through in the actual universe. It honestly seems like shutting down WHFB was a foregone conclusion and some fags pushed for the whole Chaosshit out of spite for the pushbacks at SoC and Tamurkhan.

>>53881430
>the old books say that if Chaos won or lost reality would be so fucked either way that it'd all be destroyed, and some old stories involved the Chaos deities and their best followers trying to think of ways to avoid it, gaining more followers to maybe become strong enough to avoid it, just like the old gods of Law did.

Which old books? Which old stories?

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Would you play against this? This is a Steam Tank.
I'm still waiting for the crewmen to arrive in the mail.

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>>53883140
>>53883660
Oh I can do better than that chaps.

This is what happens when you give a Bretonnian starter set with a fucked brush to a teenager who knows nothing about thinning paints. Now I have got back into models I am going to repaint one of the guys I never got round to when the new paints arrive, hopefully I have improved.

>>53885233
Concept is great but this need far more effort.
Also probably try to incorporate at least a few elements of the steam tank, enough to get anyone who's seen one to know what it is supposed to be. The Armor skirt would probably do nicely.

>>53885641
That's half way through stripping right wnon?. Als what is it with bretonnians and the worst paint jobs!!

>>53885233
>>53885876
As this anon says, if you had a real cannon it would be a good start to alay my fears. Try putting some scenery in the top canopy perhaps. That and cheap leather works amazingly for straps, I found. See
>>53881441


Pretty awesome alpha though. Just flesh it out anon !

>>53886271
No, that is how I left it ten years ago. I keep it as a reminder.

The teacher who ran our schools wargames club had a starter box of Bretonnian archers with paints that she gave me is my excuse.

>>53886298
It is a "real" cannon. It's a replica of the cannons used by the Swedish capital ship Vasa from the 17th century.
But thanks for the feedback. I have a couple of ideas. I have a half used stone horn kit lying around and those have pretty much useful things in it

>>53881001

Chaos was good on the table, fucking skullcrushers were cunts in blocks of 6.

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>>53881204

You're not my dad GW!

Warlord, can I come and live with you for a while?

>>53881135
>>53881244

Chaos has become the space marines of Fantasy.

>>53881057
And where did they get their vast strength from again? Oh yeah, GW fiat because of their eternal butthurt during the Storm of Chaos campaign when their forced meme of an army got stomped into the ground.

Fuck off, Chaosfag.

>>53888651
>And where did they get their vast strength from again? Oh yeah, GW fiat because of their eternal butthurt during the Storm of Chaos campaign

What does Storm of Chaos have to do with it?
Chaos was extra dimensional cosmic entities of phenomenal powers since the beginning.

>>53881057
Chaos never was that vastly stronger than anything, or they would have already destroyed the world several times before. They just got memed into being the biggest, baddest, most amazingest evils there ever was during 8th/Tail End of 7th edition. Shit like the Storm of Chaos is a once in a century occurence and got repelled several times before.

>>53888782

Well they have always been a major threat, they were more stratified in the past though, different sects would war against each other. Later on Chaos Undivided become more pronounced.

>>53888782
>Chaos never was that vastly stronger than anything

Yes it was. Chaos has only ever been held back because of it fractious nature.

>Shit like the Storm of Chaos is a once in a century occurence

The great incursions like the Storm of Chaos were actually noted to be happening more and more frequently.

>>53888782
>They just got memed into being the biggest, baddest, most amazingest evils there ever was during 8th/Tail End of 7th edition.

Actually Chaos was destined to destroy the world since the first edition of WHFRP.
Chaos was the King of the bad guys since basically the beginning.

Anywhere one can find the reiksguard knights nowadays? Any alternatives?

I have seen a few of people's old badly basecoated sets on ebay but everyone seems to want £40 for them

>>53889205

There are a few options.

Wargames foundry sell historical Gendarmes.

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/pike-and-shot/renaissance/knights/

Gamezone Miniatures sell direct replacements that actually look better than the dated kit but they're expensive as fuck.

http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/en/empire/103-caja-caballeria-pesada.html

>>53880675
Wait, what?

I just saw they are getting another SigvKhorne starter reboxing and Path To Glory.

How is that dead?

>>53881057
Malal is the only true power.

>>53889282
>alan perry

nice, they even look a bit like the old metal ones

The gamezone ones look very nice too

>>53888770
>since the beginning

You mean since the tail end of 3e.
Chaos didn't exist prior to that, and when Chaos was introduced it was only treated as a major threat in its own books until 5e.

>>53889386
>You mean since the tail end of 3e.

Yes, since nearly the beginning. Before 3e Warhammer was much different.

>Chaos didn't exist prior to that

It did, Chaos Daemons were around.

>it was only treated as a major threat in its own books until 5e.

Not true. Chaos was the force that defeated the Old Slaan and the origins of magic since before 5e.

>>53887883
>a bunch of dudes in super armor with 4's all around
>3+ save
You're eerily accurate.

>>53889675
There's nothing eerie about it.
Space Marines were originally based on Chaos Warriors.
They fulfill the archetype of strong guy in big armour.

>>53889375

I love Foundry's style, they're usually like old Citadel models. They have a sister side called Warmonger Games that sells all of their fantasy range.

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>>53889386
>the tail end of 3e.
>Chaos didn't exist prior to that

Really?

>>53889743
Vikings=/=Warriors Of Chaos.

>>53889628
Demons were, Daemons were not. None of what you said indictes major threat, just existing.

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>>53889802
>Vikings=/=Warriors Of Chaos.

>Implying that's a viking
>Missing Chaos symbol on the leftmost guy's pauldron.

Keep digging that hole.

>>53864824
Fuck, I remember him.
Wasn't he a chaos-spawn spawning machine?

>>53889802
>None of what you said indictes major threat

So destroying the godlike alien civilisation doesn't make them a threat?

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>>53889871
>toughness is numbers

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Looking for things to use as pistoliers in my Araby army, I found these guys.
Problem is how do I use them as light cav while also using the dromedarii as demihryphs?
I guess I could just use regular horse archers.

>>53890076

Just use regular horse archers, someone must sell Seljuk 28mm skirmishers.

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>>53890125
Yes, gripping beast.

Anyone else think the new dwarf stuff is going a bit off the rails? Are there even WFB rules for them?

>>53890252
Skyships?
No, seems like the next step from their helicopters.
Power armor and jump infantry is a bit too much though.

>>53890252
There's been nothing new for Fantasy since the End Times.

>>53890218

Yeah I would them as pistoliers.

>>53890281

Yeah. Skyships are normal (for them), i mean they have precedence in the gotrex and felix novels and quite fit in with the dwarfs i think, its the jump-pack stuff and power armour thats off the rails, especially if its part of a trend (chaos warriors , orks now and sigmarines)

>>53890287
half hoped they would have WHFB rules for their new models. Some of it doesnt look half bad.

>>53890597

Just imagine if ET didn't happen and we had all this shitting up Fantasy.

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I'm looking for some input on this Army List. The guy I'm facing will probably field either Greenskins or Helves.


+ Lords [565pts] +

+ Lords [565pts] +

Daemon Prince [565pts]: Chaos armour [20pts], Daemon of Nurgle [10pts], Daemonic Flight [40pts], Lore of Death, Wizard Level 4 [140pts]
. Chaos Mutations & Powers [95pts]: Chaos Familiar [25pts], Flaming Breath [30pts], Nurgle's Rot [10pts], Scaled Skin [20pts], Soul Feeder [10pts]
. Magic Items [25pts]: BRB - Charmed Shield [5pts], BRB - Dragonbane Gem [5pts], BRB - Sword of Striking [15pts]

+ Heroes [575pts] +

Festus the Leechlord [190pts]: AB - Pestilent Potions, Lore of Nurgle, Wizard Level 2

Exalted Hero [190pts]: Battle Standard Bearer [25pts], Mark of Nurgle [10pts]
. Chaos Mutations & Powers [5pts]: Hideous Visage [5pts]
. Magic Items [40pts]: BRB - Enchanted Shield [5pts], BRB - Luckstone [5pts], BRB - Sword of Anti-Heroes [30pts]

Throgg [195pts]: AB - The Wintertooth Crown

+ Core [805pts] +


5x Chaos Warhound [40pts]: 5x Vanguard special rule [10pts]

5x Forsaken [95pts]

Chaos Warriors [404pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
. 22x Chaos Warrior [374pts]: 22x Mark of Nurgle [44pts], 22x Shields [22pts]

Throgg's Chaos Trolls [266pts]
. 7x Chaos Troll [266pts]: 7x Additional hand weapons [21pts]

+ Special [555pts] +

Chimera [275pts]: Flaming Breath [30pts], Regenerating Flesh [15pts]

Gorebeast Chariot [140pts]: Mark of Nurgle [10pts]

Gorebeast Chariot [140pts]: Mark of Nurgle [10pts]

++ Total: [2500pts] ++

My plan for the battle is Oblique Order, trusting to my Daemon Prince and Chimera, hopefully assissted by my unit of Forsaken, to tear through one flank before the main bulk of the army enters combat with the foe. The Gorebeast Chariots will be placed on the opposite flank of my flying menance and should probably be sufficient to keep any foes there at bay.

What do you guys think?

>>53890787

I would be more comfortable with more forsaken over a 2nd chariot

>>53890676
At least we wouldnt lose units and heroes , just have retarded shit tacked on.

You can cut away cancer but you cant regrow your hand.

>>53890787

If against greenskin care, they can field massive gunlines and poisonous light shooting, which will probably kill turn 1 your general

Well those bestigors sold out quick. Perhaps I should have ordered more

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>>53890897
Ideally I would like to include another Forsaken unit, but I feel like 2x Gorebeast Chariots of Nurgle would make an amazing flank threat with the capacity to fend most things off by themselves.

>>53891110
Yeah that's a concern allright. If I'm facing a gunline I will pray to blessed Papa that I will get to go first so that I have the chance to kill atleast some of the more deadlier artillery etc before I get wrecked.

>>53891242
I can never tell whats going on with the old units being sold anymore.
Are they low on stock or are they just getting rid of what they have? Who knows.

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Would you lewd a Lahmian?

>>53891334
Could you do without one of your heroes then? It just seems to me that your core is lacking. You could do with an extra unit, warriors, marauders or forsaken.

>>53891605
Yes. Without a doubt.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j4WeCXl2Gnw

>>53881135
It's Japanese levels of spite.

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>>53891605
Those slags have nothing on Von Carstein ladies.

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>>53891605
Nay.

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>>53891710
Please, back to your mouldering castle in your mouldering province.

>>53891664
I suppose so.
I could switch out Throgg but then I should probably also remove the Trolls.
I could remove Festus but he's kinda vital to the defense of my BSB while also providing some lovely Nurgle spells and his innate bonuses to the unit he's in.

What's wrong with chaos lads? They're cool in my book.

>>53891974
t. Fag'lakor

>>53860460
So, as a person who is collecting a Vampire Counts army, but has no prior experience in building an army, how
would I arrange and equip my horde? Please note, that I do not have any experience in WHFB gameplay wise, and most of my knowledge comes from the 8th ed. BRB and Vampire Counts army book.

Here's what I currently have;
1 Necromancer
1 Vampire
1 Carin Wraith
1 Wight King
1 Mortis Engine
5 Black Knights
10 Grave Guard
20 Skeletons
40 Ghouls.

Thank you for your time!

>>53891664
>>53891862

Perhaps this Army List would be better?

+ Lords [540pts] +

Daemon Prince [540pts]: Chaos armour [20pts], Daemon of Nurgle [10pts], Daemonic Flight [40pts], Lore of Death, Wizard Level 4 [140pts]
. Chaos Mutations & Powers [70pts]: Flaming Breath [30pts], Nurgle's Rot [10pts], Scaled Skin [20pts], Soul Feeder [10pts]
. Magic Items [25pts]: BRB - Charmed Shield [5pts], BRB - Dragonbane Gem [5pts], BRB - Sword of Striking [15pts]

+ Heroes [380pts] +

Festus the Leechlord [190pts]: AB - Pestilent Potions, Lore of Nurgle, Wizard Level 2

Exalted Hero [190pts]: Battle Standard Bearer [25pts], Mark of Nurgle [10pts]
. Chaos Mutations & Powers [5pts]: Hideous Visage [5pts]
. Magic Items [40pts]: BRB - Enchanted Shield [5pts], BRB - Luckstone [5pts], BRB - Sword of Anti-Heroes [30pts]

+ Core [634pts] +

5x Chaos Warhound [40pts]: 5x Vanguard special rule [10pts]

5x Forsaken [95pts]

Forsaken [95pts]

Chaos Warriors [404pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
. 22x Chaos Warrior [374pts]: 22x Mark of Nurgle [44pts], 22x Shields [22pts]

+ Special [945pts] +

Chimera [275pts]: Flaming Breath [30pts], Regenerating Flesh [15pts]

Gorebeast Chariot [140pts]: Mark of Nurgle [10pts]

Gorebeast Chariot [140pts]: Mark of Nurgle [10pts]

Chaos Ogres [390pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
. 8x Chaos Ogre [360pts]: 8x Great weapons [64pts], 8x Mark of Nurgle [32pts]

++ Total: [2499pts] ++

>>53891974
Chaos destroyed the setting, and so some people are unable to divorce their angst at the setting being destroyed from Chaos.

relevant to /wfg/ I suppose,

>spent a couple months brainstorming a fantasy setting to write a series in when i finally quite my wagecuck job, slowly begin to realize it's just the Old World plus Ottoman Lizard Turks and deep one Collectors

I just miss WFH so much ;_;

>>53891999
What's the point size you're aiming for?
As for generic advice, the ghouls can be used in 2 units of 20. I suggest using the skeletons as count as Grave Guards and put your vampire and wight king to lead the unit.

>>53892215
grow the fuck up.

>>53892430
That was rude, anon!

>>53892310
From what I understans, 1500 is the minimum game size for 8th, while 1850 is the average? If that is the case, than 1850 is preferable, but 1500 is okay as well.

>>53891605
Yes, but I'd probably die trying. I don't think they like laying with mortals.

>>53891862
>>53892032

Seems better, though i dont have much experience with ogres/trolls

>>53892474
shut the fuck up

>>53892478
If you're aiming for 1850, I'd suggest using the necromancer as a master at level 4, as a vampire lord of the same level would be a massive point investment. You can take him as a regular level 2 vampire instead and make him a fighting type without much risk as he's not the general. The Wight should carry the battle standard, but if it's magical he won't take other magical items, making him a worse fighter. I suggest giving the Grave Guard the banner of the barrows and put all your characters in it. You have a solid base with what you have at around 1500 points, giving you room for magic items, and to maybe add a large unit of skeletons or zombies later to give you something cheap but durable.

>>53892769
make me, bitch

>>53892848
Age of Sigmar

>>53892866
You are just the rudest man

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>>53892737
My own experience with Nurgle Ogres is limited to that one time I fielded 6 of them and they got roflstomped by a unit of Dwarven thunderers. In melee.
However I like the idea of Ogres so I will give them a couple of more chances. Trolls I've never used but they seem like they would be a really nice addition, especially with a Throgg thrown in.

>>53892893
Its all a throw of the dice, maybe give them armour?

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>>53892988
They come with Heavy Armour. Not that it did me any good vs the damn dwarves.

>>53891605
Yes.
Do vampires have to kill to feed?

>>53893008
Dwarves are a solid faction.
Though i remember one time where my 20 night goblins killed 12 dwarf warriors for only one casualty.

>>53893084
No, but they make make you their blood slave. Which is either bad or good depending on how much snu-snu you get

>>53893094
RNGesus is a fickle god all right.

>>53890787

Everything in special and core looks good but if you're playing semi-competitively I have some reservations about the amount of points tied up in your demon prince. Orc or Elf bolt throwers will make mincemeat out of him.

>>53891110

Thanks Yoda.

>>53891601

They are making more but in very limited numbers as the e-mail me button is hit.

>>53891807
Only if you return to your... oh wait, you don't have a domain anymore.

>>53893181
Our games are friendly and not focused on competitiveness. With that being said, what changes would you suggest?

>>53891999

> Necromancer

Level 4 and a dispel scroll.

> Vampire

If you're only running the one you want the blender set up, you can find the details on google but basically it's maxing our on melee and keeping him as a level 1 wizard. Usual options are red thirst and quickening vampire powers and the ogre blade magical sword.

> Carin Wraith

Sorry no experience.

> Wight King

I run them cheap, heavy armour, other tricksters shard and fencers blade or something, and put him in a separate unit from the Vampire.

> Mortis Engine

Again, no experience sorry.

> Black Knights.

This is subject, it depends what you want them to do, with five I'm inclined to say great weapons and hunt some war machines. At 10 they make alright anvils with shield and lance and you can run more if you put the Vamp with them with great weapons.

> Grave Guard

10 is a small number so I'm not sure what to say. People seem to prefer sword and board but I think in hordes of 30 - 40 great weapons can be good.

> Skeletons

Sword and board, they're not worth the spear.

> Ghouls

I don't use them because I don't like the models but they can't have many options can they? Just rip and tear.

Is there any lore for treemen and dryads outside of Athel Loren or the Old World?

>>53892478

That's more like 40K, in Fantasy the average is usually 2000.

>>53885174
1st edition WFRPG, several of the earliest novels and stories on the earliest days of the internet, the works of Moorcock which Chaos and Law were based on.

>>53888770
Yeah, but they weren't omnipotent. They didn't have multiple universes and control everything in the material world like they do now, and other gods could match or beat them.

Remember that Fantasy Khaine gave Slaanesh a very royal asskicking and Tzeentch fled from Solkan when he got angry enough.

Of the Chaos gods they had their own strengths and weaknesses. Khorne was a ridiculously powerful warrior. Nurgle was a godly plaguebringer. Tzeentch was a master manipulator, planner, and sorcerer. Slaanesh was a master of corruption, subterfuge, and dexterity. They balanced each other out and had varying motives and ideas on how to do things, how to dominate the world without breaking reality, and how to beat their Void kinsmen counterparts.

Unlike now where they're nearly identical, all omnipotent and unstoppable, and all share the same "evil for the lulz" motivation.

>>53888915
>The great incursions like the Storm of Chaos were actually noted to be happening more and more frequently.

By an insane philosopher who killed himself after having a dream of Chaos winning after he read a Chaos book and Tzeentch spoke to him. It was like Sauron telling Denethor that he was gonna lose and all of Gondor would get slaughtered. It seemed true, but in the end it wasn't.

The Storm of Chaos also was the worst defeat Chaos had suffered since the days of Aenarion. They got absolutely annihilated by a comparatively mundane force. Franz even speculated they had the ability to march into the Chaos Wastes and end it, but that in doing so they would become corrupted and turn into the enemy they were trying to fight.

>>53888935
>>53888935
No. The line of text that Carnacs desperately cling to itself states Chaos will be destroyed as well, which plays into the Moorcockian idea of Chaos and Law existing in required balance, because one or the other winning is too much for the material world to handle and the Void steps in to right itself.

I'm not gonna call you a Carnac just yet because you actually seem more sincere and less like a sperg, and I think you just misunderstand or are misnterpreting old lore which can be admittedly difficult to follow.

>>53889628
Chaos didn't destroy the Old Ones. The Gates fell and they just left. It's speculated that it's possible the Warp killed them and destroyed the gates, yes, but that isn't guaranteed and it's only one of several possibilities. No one knows what truly happened, whether the Old Ones left, stayed hidden, fought and died, or something else.

>>53889886
They didn't destroy the Old Ones though. Hell, the old books say the Old Ones could curbstomp the material forces of Chaos with ease, it's the Warp they're worried about because of its endless exertion of corruptive energies on living beings. Them being capable of resisting this corruption, something no other living being save for gods can do, also says something about their strength. The Lizardmen believe the Old Ones will return when the time's right and smash Chaos into oblivion AND seal off the Warp permanently. That's their dies irae.

>>53893615
>>53893695
And remember in all of this I'm not trying to be a fag for other factions or hate on Chaos. Chaos is cool. I like them a lot. I think they should be powerful, menacing, and threatening to everyone. They're the classic fantasy villains playing across all of Gygax's moralities. They're complex edlritchy monsters that are always fascinating to me.

What I don't like and what I will be an antifag to are Carnacfags who think everyone else sucks and should suck and that if every waking second isn't spent jerking off Chaos then it's not right and must be changed or else the game is ruined.

>>53893695
Aye, the Old Ones just gave up on the planet because shit was tainted and just not worth their time anymore.

>>53893822

and if you go with the idea of the chaos gods only being aspects of a much much bigger god that the old ones fought it makes even more sense. the chaos gods we know are small frys compared to the old ones and whatever evil thing is in the warp. the old ones might be the big gods of good someone mentioned before too, above aluminas and the rest.

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>>53893084
No, the average vampire (not a fresh one) needs a pint of blood or less. Of course, sometimes they decide they want more, or decide to kill you so no other vampire will ever get to sample you, or just have a policy of husking their victims. As a rule, though, Lahmians are sippers.

Being fed on is addictive and one of the most intensely pleasurable things a human can experience (at least if it's a Lahmian or a von Carstein). It stunts free will and fosters intense loyalty in the victim. These 'bloodswain' lack initiative but will literally fight to the brutal death for their vampire.

>>53893117
If a Lahmian is tapping your veins, you might not even miss the sex.

>>53893409
Silver Pinnacle, bitch.

>>53894312
>A half-collapsed ruin in the god-forsaken mountains of god-knows where
You poor things, no wonder you feel the need to spite your superiors on a lustrian tablet engraving board

>>53894665
Collapsed nothing, Silver Pinnacle is such a thing of beauty it attracts traders and would-be worshipers for the Queen across the entire world. What has Sylvania ever attracted besides mosquitoes, skaven, and ghouls?

Stay peasant, von Plebstein.

>>53893695
>No. The line of text that Carnacs desperately cling to itself states Chaos will be destroyed as well

It doesn't, I have read the line and it says no such thing.

>Hell, the old books say the Old Ones could curbstomp the material forces of Chaos with ease

Where?

>>53894705
>Resorting to lies and slander
You can just say you want to take refuge in Sylvania, you know? You don't have to start acting like a mortal.

For all you vampire masturbaters, Countess Dracula has just started on the Horror Channel.

>>53894257
>vampires get jealous over the humans they drink from
That's so cute.

>>53895325
Perhaps you should reread what the other fella' wrote.

>>53893449

They mainly dwell in athel loren, although there have been sightings of treeman mostly outside of it.

Treemen also often visited Helves

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>all these people going on about vampires when the true master race of waifus lives across the sea

Did we ever have a good Fantasy model for a demon prince or am I going to be forked to use bele'kek?

I also accidentally posted this in the AoS thread so some interesting responses guaranteed.

> INB4 plastic one

I said good.

>>53895325
>>53895515
I didn't mention it, but they actually do. It's considered bad form to drink from another's swain without permission, and sometimes (not always, but sometimes) a vampire will get attached to this or that bloodbag. Of course, when these quarrels come to a head, it's typically the mortal that dies, not one or another vampire.

>>53867800
that bear's cute as hell, son

>>53895912
>when the true master race of waifus lives across the sea

My waifu lives over the ocean
My waifu lives over the sea
My waifu lives over the ocean
Oh, bring back my waifu to me

>>53896476

You missed "my waifu fucks people with a knife" there.

>>53896240
Why don't you convert one yourself?
A Daemon Prince is perhaps the most varied of entities within the setting. Not making your own is tantamount to heresy.

>>53896240
What mark are you going to put on it? I'm bored so I wouldn't mind looking up a couple of alternatives.

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What is your favorite lord, and why is it the Doombull?

Somehow the concept of this monster leading an army is so much more rad than a daemon price, who are somehow really thematically boring.

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>>53897217
>Daemon Princes are thematically boring.
Nigga wut?
They are Demi-Gods. Besides that they are a blank canvas for you to paint in whatever theme you want.

>>53897327
Its not impossible that they could be interesting, but they aren't. Model is "generic demon guy", when there's already the more thematic greater daemons. Lore characters are a rather lamed feathery slaanesh dude and killed by falling rocks, the worst forced meme since Archaon.

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>>53897217
I really like Bretonnian Lords/Paladins on a Pegasus, because fuck yeah Pegasi. But probably the best lords would be the Slann Priests - they just sit there on their hover-chairs and barely move, but with a gesture they can do all sorts of magical feats that leave even the greatest magic users of the setting helpless before them.

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>>53896240
>>53897151
Keeping to GW only and excluding the Greater Daemons and the acutal Daemon Princes they offer, I can think of these models that would definately work as Daemon Princes without any particular conversions done to them:

Non-mark specific:
Mordor Troll Chieftain:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Mordor-Troll-Chieftain
Trygon:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Tyranid-Trygon
Morghast Achai/Harbingers:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Deathlords-Morghast-Archai
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Deathlords-Morghast-Harbingers
Mawloc:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Tyranid-Mawloc
Red Terror:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Tyranid-Red-Terror
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Dragon-Ogor-Shaggoth
Dorghar, the Mount of the terrible new Archaon-model:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Archaon-Exalted
Celestant Prime:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Stormcast-Eternals-Celestant-Prime

Slaanesh:
The Yncarne from the Triumvirate of Ynnead-box:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Gathering-Storm-Triumvirate-of-Ynnead

Khorne:
Scyla Anfingrimm:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Khorne-Bloodbound-Scyla-Anfingrimm
Doombull:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Beastman-Doombull
Bullgor:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Bullgors

Tzeentch:
The Patriarch from the Broodcoven-box:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Genestealer-Cults-Broodcoven
Ogroid Thaumaturge
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Ogrid-Thaumaturge
Gaunt Summoner:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Gaunt-Summoner

Nurgle:
Any of the Maggotlord Mounts such as:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Rotbringers-Orghotts-Daemonspew
Gutrot Spume:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Rotbringers-Gutrot-Spume
Ghurk of the Glottkin:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Rotbringers-The-Glottkin
Drycha Hamadreth:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Sylvaneth-Drycha-Hamadreth

1/?

>>53897426
Ah you were talking about the models. My bad. Yeah, the actual models for DP's, with the exception of Bela'khor are really bad.

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>>53884133

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>>53897721
2/3:

NON-MARK SPECIFIC:

Avatar of Khaine (Khorne or Slaanesh):
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Eldar-Avatar-of-Khaine

Clawed Fiend:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Dark-Eldar-Clawed-Fiend

Mistweaver Saih:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/mistweaver-saih

Gûlavhar, the Terror of Arnor:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/G%C3%BBlavhar-the-Terror-of-Arnor

Sslyth (Tzeentch or Slaanesh, just lose the guns):
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Dark-Eldar-Sslyth

TZEENTCH:

Treelords:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Sylvaneth-Treelord-Ancient
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Sylvaneth-Treelord
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Sylvaneth-Treelord-Durthu

Karibdyss:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Dark-Elves-Karibdyss

Ahriman (just lose the backpack):
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/ahriman-arch-sorcerer-of-tzeentch

KHORNE:

Maw-Krusha:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Ironjawz-Orruk-Maw-Krusha

Exalted Deathbringer:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Exhalted-Deathbringers

Skulltaker:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Skulltaker

Bloodmaster, Herald of Khorne:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Daemons-of-Chaos-Herald-of-Khorne

Valkia the Bloody:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Khorne-Bloodbound-Valkia-the-Bloody

Skarr Bloodwrath (if you lose the chain-flails the model actually looks quite good):
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Khorne-Bloodbound-Skarr-Bloodwrath

The Manticore from the Chaos Lord on Manticore-box:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Chaos-Lord-on-Manticore-2016

Balrog:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Balrog

NURGLE:

Butcher (Lose the cauldron, which can be used for a Warshrine):
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Butcher2

Bragg the Gutsman:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Bragg-the-Gutsman

Dweller in the Dark:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Dweller-in-the-Dark

KHORNE:
Durthu:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Sylvaneth-Treelord-Durthu

>>53897151
>>53897721

I'm looking for undivided and thanks for the ideas.

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>>53898161
3/3

NON-MARK SPECIFIC:

Celestine, the Living Saint, from the Triumvirate of the Imperium-box:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Gathering-Storm-Triumvirate-of-the-Imperium

SLAANESH:

C'tan Shard of The Deceiver:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Necron-C-tan-Shard-of-The-Deceiver

C'tan Shard of The Nightbringer
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Necron-C-tan-Shard-of-The-Nightbringer


That's all the suitable GW-models I found. If anyone want me to go beyond the company let me know.

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>>53898296
Your welcome.
If I were you I'd come up with a background story first and then try to find a model that would fit it. Don't be afraid of doing some conversion work either!

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>>53898341
You're, god damn it!

>>53862113
>>53861563
Something as small as a demigryph couldn't count as an elephant, updated rules for the war wagon would be the best choice.

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>>53898341

Think I may go for this guy, he seems to have a lot of potential and his hand looks like you could give him a spear.

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>>53860911

You're spoiled for choice to be honest.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084608523/dragon-empire-tabletop-army

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posted in wip but it's far too 40k in there, here is the guy I've almost done. Greatsword musician

>>53898878
Seems like a prudent choice for an undivided DP.

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>>53904315
Looking great, seems like an excellent paintjob and I enjoy the skull on the base.

Having the trumpet down might make him hard to identify as the musician, but it's not like Bretonnia makes any more sense in that regard.

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>>53904378
thanks anon, thoughts are since he's going to be the one guy in the front row without a zoggin great sword(or banner), he will stand out by extension.

pic related is a heap of older greatswords I've done. gotta put dulcote on their skin to tone down the gloss still. but you can see he will stand out.


On the topic of trumpets, the bret ones are madness I agree. BUT NOT ALL! , I happen to have an old knights errant/questing knight musician (I think) I've converted to the cause of empire and he has a dynamic pose at least.

>>53904378
>>53904443
Here is the dooter ex bretonnian in all his glory, you couldn't ask for a more dramatic musician pose

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>>53904443
he really does exist!,
I just cannot upload pictures apparently

>>53904475
Nearly as powerful as a skeledoot.

>>53896593
Doesn't fit the meter.

>>53894989
Why would we want to visit that drafty wreck when all the palaces of the world are open to us? Ah, you sweet kings of nothing, your pride, at least, is impressive.

>lord mortkin going all "fuck you i do what i want" on the chaos gods

How is this not a meme?

>>53870466

Im glad someone else has noticed the retardation in this 'canon' that keeps getting regurgitated. I have to wonder if its the same dude.

>>53905002
It's caused confusion here for the board's entire lifespan, and I've never seen citations.

Not that 40k is at all relevant to actual Warhammer.

Vampire women are disgusting

They are literally rotting corpses

>>53905086
They don't rot because they use one magic level to keep themselves fresh. At least in the good editions.

>>53905086
Who told you these lies? Come a little closer, see for yourself.

>>53905086
it just means more holes to stick your dick into!

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>>53905086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvsMPOfblfg

>>53905086
>>53905245

They bathe in virgin blood to look young.

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Someone must have stole Tyrion's helmet.

Do women ever play tabletop games like this?

>>53906421
Sure, but not in any significant quantity.

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>>53906421
yeah my gf plays, she got me into tabletop actually. here is a dryad she did ages back.

>>53906354
Very similar to the model. He is apparently quite a duelist character so the chaff will be left to the rest of the army while he takes on the toughest targets.

Wonder if Finubar will get a reference in the game.

>>53906421

The girl who's on those total war videos used to have a you-tube channel about her wood elf collection.

I've never known one in real life, bar a few women who enjoyed painted and so would occasionally buy a model.

>>53906464

what on earth is going on with that thumb

>>53906354

They've done what they should have done with Archeon and toned his head dress down.

What works on a 28mm model doesn't necessarily work in 1:1 scale.

>>53906291
Those are the druchii, dear, we drink the blood for a preference.

>>53906689
Swelling.

>>53906689
>>53907084
I don't even know, maybe it's fat thumb angle shot?

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>>53906706
I think that's the opposite of the problem. They made his helmet too short. Now it looks retarded and stumpy instead of thin and elegant.

>>53907665

I agree it looks a bit wrong somehow