MtG Hours of Devastation

meh

I didn't know cats could take the trials.

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Is the only difference between embalm and externalise the fact the token is white/black resp.?

Also anyone know where I can get pdfs of mtg lore and old magazines?

>>53857028
Eternalizing a creature makes it 4/4 no matter what its previous stats were.

>>53857028
The difference is that the token is automatically a 4/4 (and yeah, black instead of white)

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>>53857028
Eternalize apparently is a 4/4 copy of the card.

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An actually decent counterspell in Standard? Are they actually going to let control be a thing?

Seems weird that they are all 4/4, like grasp of darkness will become super ultra good, and 5 toughness creatures will be at a premium in draft

>>53857241
Electrify is saved.

>>53856953
That cat's Modern material.

I'd like to be the guy who manages to pull both this and Regal Caracal in a draft.

>>53857028
They're all going to be 4/4's, so it seems like it's going to be on mostly cheap creatures that get more dangerous when you kill them.

>>53856953
So is Eternalize meant to represent what Bolas is doing to Amonkhet? He's going to turn the entire plane into 4/4 zombies?

>>53857423
I think those who were deemed worthy are being brought back as these powerful undead.

>>53857423
He's going to turn the 'worthy' dead that display a suitable amount of skill into 4/4 zombies.

That's what the purpose of the trials was all along, to kill the worthy dead and cart them away to be eternalized, so he can assemble an army of weird lapis lazuli zombies.

If Tezerret succeeded in his task, then by now Nicol Bolas would have a dimensional portal at his disposal that could allow this army to march across countless planes.

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>>53856953
Does anyone else get Necron vibes with how the Eternalize zombies look?

>>53857525
Not what I expected but it certainly makes sense.

Will we get an eternalized Neheb?

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>>53857525 It's sad that they're not worthy

>>53857525
So a cat beat the trials?

>>53856953
How long do you give it till ugin and ajani save the day?

>>53857651
I assume it was the animal companion of a successful applicant, who had his pet slain alongside him by Hazoret.

the oathwatch hate cards are odd in my mind, I wish that the gideons defeat would hit white planeswalkers too

>>53857221
You're forgetting a couple others.

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>>53857221
HELLO

>>53857651
a cat is fine too

>>53857525
Is there a source on this? I thought what bolas's goal was to regain some of his former godlike power. Im new so I'm not aware of how much bolas was about armies and conquest before. But an army doesn't seem like it's useful beyond that.

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that makes me think of another card.

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desert tribal has me brewing the memiest land/cycle deck to get laughed out of fnm. thinking i should do something with discard + splendid reclamation/crucible snek

>>53856953
>didn't start with the cat's out of the bag
You had one job

>>53856953
that's some dope art

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>Megaembalm

Goddamn you wizards.

>>53857563
I have to say, the design is oddly robotic. Fertile soil for New Phyrexia?

>>53857947

I think he's multitasking.

Devour the gods and what little is left of Amonkhet's worldsoul and mana to check another box on the path to godhood, use Tezzeret's newfound power to create planar gates for nonliving things to move a very strong army onto the next world he needs to buttfuck for more power.

Bolas turned what was left of the three gods he killed into death-engines that sat behind a gate in the desert for several generations just on the basis that they might be useful at some point. He likes to squeeze all the value he can out of things.

>>53859027
apparently Bolas has been using amonkhet to dig up the blue stone to make "eternalized" creatures.

>>53859004
I hope there are some relevant deserts. I bet WotC thinks that actual Desert is too confusing.

>>53859081
Desert is apparently to powerful, which isn't entirely off base, given how much better 1 toughness things are now.
Being able to shut down a fair number of decks for the first 2 turns by playing a land is pretty strong.

>>53857221
Where's this actually decent counterspell? Did you click the wrong image?

>>53858454
You can ruin someone's day by mixing this with Undying Evil and spells that move +1/+1 counters around.

>>53859191
its decent for standard.

>>53857241
They weren't planning on BFZ block still being in when this set was out.

>>53859191

It might not see play in Modern or Legacy where better counterspells are about, but a 2U modal spell that can be mana leak or anticipate as the situation demands is pretty darn good in my book.

>>53858968
>>53858984
>>53859004
wizards once again tells enemy colors to fuck off

>>53859289
>New player who doesn't know what Impulse is
WEW lad.

>>53859311
What? You know enemy colours are the best supported in standard right now, right?

>>53859311

>bring back Cycling
>fuck it up COMPLETELY

>>53859340
>Cycle duals in Amonkhet
No enemy colours.

>Ixilan spoilers have checklands returning
No enemy colours.

>>53859338

I know perfectly well what Impulse is. It's a card they're never going to reprint in a standard legal set because it's strictly better than anticipate by digging one card deeper, and more importantly its name is directly contrary to what blue's all about flavorfully.

Doesn't change my stance that an instant that increases cost as one to act as a modal version of two perfectly fine spells is hardly something to be bitching about.

>>53857563
Literally my mom's Cryptek

>>53857407
There's going to be at least one big nasty thing with an Eternalize cost cheaper than its casting cost because it gets smaller.

>>53859122
I think it's more how they work in multiple.

>>53859311
how is a common monocolor land cycle telling enemy colors to fuck off?
Does Plains being printed mean wizards is telling enemy colors to fuck off?

>>53859361
>the only good lands
kaladesh enemy colours

>>53856953

>eternalize is literally just mega-embalm

Wotc keeps finding new ways to disappoint me.

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>>53858614
don't forget this too

>>53859454
I'm with you anon. Let the shitters be shitters.

>>53859830
>>53859454
The big problem with the card is it's a Standard card. I don't know if you know this, but Standard is REALLY fucking awful.

Avatar of woe is an invocation.
More like avatar of disappointment.

>>53859122
>Desert is apparently to powerful, which isn't entirely off base
It deals 1 damage to an ATTACKING creature at END OF COMBAT. It doesn't even kill things before they deal combat damage. Sometimes I think even Wizards doesn't even read their own cards

people always talk about how /tg/ is terrible at magic but these recent threads about power level and reprinting have really convinced me

>>53859957
You haven't played with Deserts, then. Just try Paper Pauper with it and see most Meta decks just fall apart.
Mono Blue Control just dies even with things like Daze, Counterspell, Gush, Delver.

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>>53860005
Welcome to the side of enlightenment.

>>53860019
Good, that deck is bullshit.

>>53860005
Spoiler Season is the gift that keeps on giving.

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>Sacred Cat
>Regal Caracal
>Adorned Pouncer
>Prowling Serpopard
>Scrounging Bandar
>Stalking Tiger

Is it time for jank cat tribal?

>>53857935
this one doesn't need 2 blue and also has another option if you don't need to counter something turn 3-4

I'd say its a possibly better option than disallow, and way better than the current mana leak with options, Reduce///Rubble

>>53859081
there's the amonkhet colorless one that deals one damage to an opponent when it ETBs

>>53859608
this + fateful showdown for a true meme supreme deck. or just the new perspectives/second sun combo but with fateful showdown instead.

>>53856953
>>53857064
Why does a 4/4 with vigilence cost 1 more to eternalize than a 4/4 with double strike?

>>53861251
ones a common, others a rare. Wizards have been fucking up common vs rare power lately imo

>>53861251
because the cat's a rare.

>>53861251
The double-strike card is a rare, the vigilance one is a common. New World Order, remember? Rarity= Powerlevel in most of the cases. In fact, that cat must feel awesome for BW Zombies

>>53857221
>what is UR control
Stop being faggots, all of you.

>>53861319
BW zombies doesn't need the cat, same reason they don't run stuff like the embalm angel.
Zombies after rotation will but you may as well just build B/W embalm at that point.

>>53857622
God I fucking love this picture but I hate this shitty resolution

>>53860120
You are forgetting quite a few cats.
>Felidar Cub
>Felidar Sovereign
>Felidar Guardian
>Longtusk Cub
>Willy Bandar

>Inb4 Guardian is banned
Not in kitchentable.

>>53859065

Interesting. bolas really fucked over amonkhet huh.

I wonder how the gate watch lives through this though. they fucked over his planar portal plan badly so I feel like he'd just want them done with.

>>53861770

From the looks of the cycle of "defeat" cards, it looks like he's just planning to blow it all up with them in the plane, whilst rubbing salt in the wound about how much they fucked up along the way.

>>53860120
we need one more good cat and I'll play that shit at FNM

>>53861770

Bolas probably creams them but circumstances allow them to run before he finishes them off; in a bit of a reversal from the hail-mary that killed Kozilek and Ulamog, this time the fates aligning is just about enough for them to not die despite facing Bolas woefully unprepared, which is a miracle in and of itself.

Given the leaks of Ixilan have indicated Jace is a castaway in that world I'm thinking the Gatewatch pulls something desperate just to escape from Bolas before he finishes them off but probably get scattered to the winds, some of them in really bad shape. Bolas lets it happen because killing them is a secondary concern, but even being a secondary concern means the Gatewatch and anyone that helps them are on Bolas's list, and that's a bad place to be.

>>53862008
Only reason they won't be dead is because they aren't a threat to anything he's doing.

>>53862008
Bolas is used to his minions trying to punch up and try to take his place as top dog. He'll keep giving jace and liliana and any underlings they recruit lessons until they learn obey him like tezzeret learned. Bolas lives his life like a yakuza boss and understands the most loyal underlings need to be broken down a little.

>>53862202
Pretty good, menace is underrated.

>>53862202
>you can pump him to rape a hand
Hazorets fervor is looking pretty good in an eternalize deck.

>>53857221
too slow
doesn't solve the issue of agro decks dominating standard

we NEED a 2 mana universal counterspell of some kind that isn't complete dog as att countering things past turn 2 or 3

aka not censor
we needed miscalculation
or fuck just give us mana leak

fuck this "counterspells are not fun" mentality

>>53862241
Reprint ssg and mana leak in the same block imo.

>>53862202
This feels very Ashiok-y

>>53862241
Look if you can't play control in the format we've got right now you probably won't be able to play control even if they reprint counterspell.

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>yfw the 3 "dead" gods are R/B, R/U, and U/B

Scorpion King makes me pretty confident

>>53862294
>control in the format we have now
>Gideon ally of zendikar
>zombies
>vehicles
>GB 1/1 shit
>temur still bullshit

I get that they have given us a lot of tools with cards like cancel with upside, draw X, and gearhulk but the fact is that they have given control tools that they are supposed to have in every format while giving everything else absurdly pushed cards that just invalidate pretty much everything control wants to do

vehicles in particular are really stupid and were a bad idea from the get go
and right now PW have really no clean answers and this new cycle of "Defeat of X" cards aren't really enough to answer how powerful they are

on top of all this though we just don't have an actual landbase that can satisfy decent control colors
U doesn't combine well with any other color scheme because all it really has is Aether Hub and that isn't good enough to cover the extream mana swings for some decks.

Take a grixis deck
requiring BB on turn 2 for grasp of darkness into UU on turn 3 for a cancel is absurd for mana bases in standard right now to do consistently

a 2 mana universal counterspell would go a long way to helping this format because it would keep these stupid agro decks honest
no more curving out and winning because they drew the wrong counterspell
now you actually have to play around their shit and respect control

>>53859070
If I had to wager a guess, it might be that the Lazotep is planeswalking proof. Like it can make an army resistant to the rigors and energies of the blind eternities so he can just chuck this entire army through planes. Plus being well honed super soldiers that haven't ever been injured in their course through the trials helps make them additionally skilled fighting force.

>>53862436
If there were better manabases around it wouldn't make control better in the meta. We'd just get Khans 2: Electric Boogaloo with four color goodstuff cancer.

>>53862474
not really
think of this

Land
As long as you control an island can tap for U, B, W or R

prefect control is saved

>>53862474
or even better

Can tap for any color except green as long as you have at least 10 counterspells in your deck

beautiful

also reprint manaleak

>>53862523
Reprint Mana Drain and make it Standard/Modern/Legacy legal

>>53862550
fuck yeah
reprint Glen Alendra
reprint Dragonlord Ojutai
reprint Sphinxes rev
reprint Celestial Colonnade

fuck agro
fuck green
I want to see decks with 20+ counterspells and manlands as wincons

no one gets to play cards except me

perfect format 10/10

>>53862590
I want them to reprint draw go, but also dredge

>Forbid invocation

The fuck
That was totally flusterstorm

>>53862634

I, too, want local tournaments to repel new players like the plague and crash formats with no survivors.

>>53862673
fuck new players
they can choke on my control cock and watch me play magic

should have been willing to shill out $900 if they wanted to play seriously

Arcane denial reprint when?

>>53862234
nobody thought hazorets favor was good enough... now look at it, meanwhile you can pull so many shenanigans with it..

>>53857221
Wow first we the powerful vintage level LIGHTNING hit and then we get standard all-star MANA dribble

I hope we can get "Birds of Nice Place" but it'd probably have to get changed to 3 mana....annnnd lose flying too. Maybe make it only produce limited mana types too.

HYPE

>>53863034

I really don't get how a modal combination of two good blue spells costing one more than either of them because it can be both as needed makes people THIS butthurt.

The only thing bigger than green's creatures is blue's persecution complex.

>>53862673
>repel new players

I love this meme

Do you work at wotc?

What kind of sleeves do you guys use? I've seen lots of debate between dragon shield and ultra pro eclipse

>>53862436
well seeing as control only counters and plays lands... why don't you play oh idk... UG, the one that ramps so hard... and seeing as there are so many options in amonkeht to utilize it.. bounty of luxa, weaver of currents, UG nissa can even work... blue has high costs, green has lots of mana dorks... why not use them both and capitalize? blue has flyers that are really good, but they never use them I feel...

>>53862634
I want a chance to sleeve up my Caw Blades again

>>53863115
I've tried both Dragon Shield and Ultra Pro Eclipse

Both really excellent. I'd probably go with Dragon Shield but it's probably just preference at that point

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>>53862234
quite frankly I'm more than ready to slap this on a token Dreamstealer

>>53863136
i was trying to decide between those two, but I think I'm going with dragon shield. for some reason, multiple people at my lgs bought them and were talking about them

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>>53862734
control player because they can control anything on the field but can't control anything in their real life

>>53862673
Why do people say this when Magic was the most popular and growing when it was the most degenerate and random?

It's only after they started cracking down and making sets for babys that can't read and pushing out every archetype and strategy besides "midrange and grindy" that people left by the truckload

>>53863116

You do need to confirm when discussing "control" with someone if they mean "I want to be able to interact with my opponent's plays and control the pace of the game until I am in a position to finish my enemy off" or if they're from the "doing damage to my opponent is beneath me" crowd.

>>53863176
I'd say Dragonshields hold up better then Eclipse was my reasoning.

Also my Eclipse sleeves get little things stuck near the bottom of the sleeves. I dunno how that happens though.

>>53863141
would be interesting if you could manage a WBR deck... vizier to remove the drawback on fervor entirely, maybe with dual land fixings WR or BR?

>>53863113
Draw-Go specifically, quantifiably, was detrimental to player retention.
Now, I agree that counterspells (and instants/sorceries in general, especially removal) need to be turned back up again, but that does not mean we should have Draw-Go.

>>53863115
I've had no problems with my dragonshields, and some I've had for a fucking decade and a half or so

>>53863195
by "interact" you mean that one player doesn't get to play... yes...

>>53863187
cus instead of playing the game like your life is on the line or that you NEED to get every penny out of your cards, and play for fun... oh wait... we magic players don't have fun, we just play to win by copying a pro deck and when we win we are too good to care right?

>>53862735

Card is edh only

>>53863321
Epic projecting

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>>53863368
sorry it is what i do

>>53862202
Bad hippie

>>53863214
Mardu, because more colors is more power in this standard meta

>>53863349
Thats why i said reprint when. It was fine in alliances standard it would be fine now.

>>53862436
You're missing the point, control is shit and has always been shit. The first Magic Would Cup ever was won by a Black Knight five color aggro deck, against mono blue draw go with Counterspell and Force of Will.

Draw go is an inherently shit strategy that can't exist when agressive options are actually good. Put those counterspells in a tempo deck instead and suddenly you can actually win.

>>53864073
But I only feel smart when I brilliantly do nothing and pass the turn only to ingeniously counter your boorish and unrefined play with my two mana universal counterspell that works at any point in the game.

THAT is the play of a truely enlightened gentleman.

>>53864073
I just want to play Nicol Bolas in standard
and if Grixis control is bad then there won't be anywhere to play him

please let me play my dragon husbando

>>53864319
put one in deck, stomach samut pw... ult her... samut dies and husbando appears.
Win win no?

So wait, lore side of things, have we seen any card evidence to suggest that the Jastice League get out of this? Or... will Bolas win and fade to black, before we just move onto another Block and come back to the story later like Tarkir sort of was used as?

>>53864624
assuming that bolas is the smug lord he is, he toys with his food, scatters them and leaves them to die... there is supposed leaks of a jace card in ixaland so they should live theoretically... however I think it would be fun if they use planes as alternate realities... the gatewatch die but there are jaces and nissa's that are on other planes that make them not hated and allow them to have DIFFERENT POWERS.

>>53864319
You're more likely to play Bolas with a Temur ramp deck that plays 1 swamp to cast Bolas, than you are with draw go.

Control can exist, just not draw go. 8Rack/Pox is a thing in Modern and Legacy. Stax decks are all over Eternal formats in multiple forms from Death & Taxes to Lantern. But Draw Go doesn't see real tournament play even in Vintage because it's an inherently flawed concept, it isn't even winning in 30lp Duel Commander anymore because they realized all it takes to beat Baral/Jace is to run removal for Counterspell.dck's ONE threat.

>>53864669
Also whenever they're not on screen everyone should ask "WHERE'S POOCHIE?"
But no, thats a terrible idea, just awful, i can barely stand one jace. And.. id rather he didnt ruin pirate funsies. I hope he does scatter them though, gives us a reason to head to places the watch haven't ever been, like Tarkir. I think they should be sent to Tarkir. Anon, i just REALLY wanna go back to Tarkir.

>>53864624
>>53864669
He beats them all and leaves just as the plane is about to explode, but the nigrawalker uses her super-speed shit to save them.
The Jacetice League survives scattered and they have a reason to not print Samut after people hated her so hard, but in a way where she still saves the day and doesn't die so that the fatass diversity consultand doesn't keep shitting on them on social media (but she still will).

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>>53864714
Too bad, he's confirmed.

All that we about him is his name ("Jace, Planar[?] Castaway") and his ultimate though, which creates two copies of him that aren't legendary.

>>53864781
That doesnt look like a Jace card at all mind you.

>>53864816
Sure it does. I swear I've seen clearer art scans some where, and I'll find it, but it's Jace hanging from a mast brandishing magic like being a pirates his secret dream

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>>53864816

>>53864843
>>53864854
Thanks.
And thats a shame, well hopefully he becomes heavily physically challenged by the environment, that'll be good fun seeing.

>>53863115
KMC Hyper Matte.

Best shuffle
Best protection

>>53864703
Jeskai Draw-Go is played in modern.

Sure it's not T1 but somewhere around T2 it's definitely playable

>>53862202

This dude is a legit wincon in a control deck.

>>53865129
the company got bought this year and the formula has been changed so now they are shit tier. a sad story. I've probably bought my lgs last batch of the good ol ones

>>53865202
Oh shit I did not know that.

The ones I've got are still good - I wonder if the Hareyuya ones will be okay for a while.

>>53862008
>Bolas probably creams them but circumstances allow them to run before he finishes them off; in a bit of a reversal from the hail-mary that killed Kozilek and Ulamog, this time the fates aligning is just about enough for them to not die despite facing Bolas woefully unprepared, which is a miracle in and of itself.
> I'm thinking the Gatewatch pulls something desperate
>but circumstances

THERE IS A FUCKING NIGGER QUEEN READY TO GO NOVA WITH HER NEW PLANESWALKER SPARK AND CAST THE ONLY MOTHERFUCKING SPELL WOTC LET HER KNOW: SHE'S GONNA CAST FUCKING HASTE ON THE FAGGOTS THAT SAVED HER 1 HOUR BEFORE AND THEN RUN LIKE THE WIND.THAT'S YOUR FUCKING CIRCUMSTANCE,SIR. A. FUCKING. NIGGER.

>>53862202
you are not going to have anyone discards more than one card at a time by the time you get to 6 mana.

but casting giant growth-esque stuff on turn 4 on this fucker is the real deal and the fact it's a mana sink and a threat when you eternalize him lategame makes him pretty damn good.

>>53862234
Still trying to figure out what the fuck colors to run for an eternalize deck. Esper seems like the obvious answer, but Hazoret's and Honored Hydra seem to say otherwise.

>>53865340
Throw a Brute Strength on him and they're in the FUCKED territory

>>53865347
you don't make an "eternalize deck".
eternalize cards don't have synergy between them.

you just choose 1 or 2 that interests you and build a deck out of their special abilities first.

>>53865412
Eternalize synergy is basically Anointed Procession and zombie tribal.

>>53865433
Also thinking that Aven that gives tokens Flying and Vigilance would be pretty sexy on the cat

>>53862436
>requiring BB on turn 2 for grasp of darkness into UU on turn 3 for a cancel is absurd for mana bases in standard right now to do consistently
Wow it's almost like they chose to give these spells really annoying mana costs for a reason

>>53863105
I'm really not sure who's worse- permission whiners or bolt whiners,

>>53865167
Jeskai, both the Ascendancy and the Geist versions, are tempo.

>>53864979
>buff jace

>>53865347
There's a new Grafdigger's Cage for 1W in Ixalan that gains you 1 life whenever a creature an opponent controls dies.
Unless it's for casual, don't invest in graveyard strategies for the upcoming Standard.

>>53866074
There are more than 2 versions of Jeskai...

Jeskai Nahiri
Jeskai Sahili
Jeskai Draw-Go
Jeskai Geist

Have all done well within the last few months

>>53857563
That is NOT a human.

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Mamma mia

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>>53866170
Mamma Luigi

>>53866170
>>53866178
They better reprint this shit and Capsize in Iconic Masters or C17, It's a fucking travesty you can't get a copy that doesn't feel like it's made of tissue paper of some of the most played commons and uncommons in Commander/Pauper when they're fucking dollar cards.

>>53856953
Wow, what a lame fucking mechanic.
This is basically megamorph all over again.

>>53865347
I have a Esper Zombie deck that features Embalm and general zombie stuff where Eternalize will fit right in

>>53866737
How are 5+ mana creatures going to fit 'right in'

>>53866963
Well the deck is built around buffing Zombies and tokens.

Though I admit I never said it was a great deck

>>53862734
Stop falseflagging anti-control anon

>>53864073
>he didn't play in INN/RTR Standard when UW or UWx draw-go was a tier 1 deck with aggro in the format

sucks to be u

>>53865309
Jeez, ye bastard. who pissed in your cornflakes this morning? Sure the new planeswalker isnt very interesting but christ man, its the god damn story of a card game we dont even impact with our games unless your playing archenemy or something. How about you take a breather or two, consider what you wrote and maybe take a nap on your bed or just grab a chair and go outside, listen to nature. Its almost summer its a good time to relax a bit and feel the winds of the world blowing agaisnt your face.

Hell, bring your phone or a laptop with you, just relax a bit. Enjoy your free time, man. I hope you have a nice day.

>>53861030
Mana leak effects are SIGNIFICANTLY better if the spells is cheap. Paying 3 mana to counter something that an opponent can cancel by also paying 3 mana means that the turns in which your counter is actually useful is severely limited. Mana Leak being two mana is huge because it always means an extra turn in which it is useful (on the play or on the draw, it will be a guaranteed hard counter for at least one turn). 3 mana to search 4 and draw 1 is an okay effect if there's nothing else the card can do, but I'd rather pay 3 mana for a counterspell that always works- keep the soft counters at 2.

Granted, the splashability is nice, but any decks that can run either Disallow or Supreme Will will easily choose Disallow.

>>53863115
KMC perfect fit double sleeved by Eclipse

>>53856953
wow what a shitty card

>>53866170
>>53866178
>The art doesn't fit the card at all
How, after all these years, can they fuckup so hard?

>>53867595
But there's a black person and he needs to let us know about it.
There's a black person.
We have to know so we can get angry about it, there's a BLACK person.

>>53868488
I'm new to magic. Why is that card bad?

>>53868950
5 mana is a lot

>>53868950
In a competitive setting, 5 mana for a "big creature" isn't good enough. They have to bring something else with them, like card advantage or evasion. Kitty doesn't do that, but who knows, maybe eteranlize is enough incentive to make the card decent.

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>>53856953
Someone has clearly never seen a cat's skull before.

>>53869032
it's supposed to be a necron doggo

>>53869031
To be fair to the cat, it does give some kind of weak card advantage because you can play it for 2 mana early game and then get a '''''free'''''' (card-advantage wise) creature later on in the game.

But a 2 mana 1/1 doublestrike is just pretty shit, you would never play that on its own

>>53868950
It's not bad. In fact, it probably is a bomb in limited.
But in constructed it lacks the ability to generate a meaningful board presence on its own. But, if a white winnie deck appears, it'll be considered as a option against control decks.

>>53869155
I'm aware of that, I believe the card can work well with pumps in an agressive deck and eternalize can be used once you need another body.

Can you imagine if rancor was in the format. Man, this card would be nuts in GW.

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>>53869155

>>53869376
Shame there's probably not any cartouches or trials i HOU, they are really fun in limited

Oh I see, the Eternalized zombies' heads are all the black mana symbol.

>>53869155

Would cat tribal make it any better? Half the pieces were there in Amonkhet (with some assistance from Kaladesh/Aether Revolt), do you think the cat meme deck will rise soon?

>>53864979
WIIILLLLSSSSOOOOONNN

>>53865347
Red white embalm with white eternalize, I hope they add red versions

>>53869506
Yeah I really hope they're going to release more cat support, there's an insane amount of cats in standard at the moment

>>53869652
there is almost surely going to be at most 1 red eternalize creature.

>>53869652
Red doesn't get new mechanics idiot.

>>53869032
it is very obviously not supposed to be scientifically accurate. it looks like the goddamn punisher logo.

all of bolas' eternals have this blue armored look.

>>53869155
creatures with self recursion are always better than people expect

>>53859203
You'd get a 3/5 penumbra spider AND a 2/4 black spider token, right?

>>53862202
I can only imagine the token version of this guy looks rad as fuck.

>>53864725
I hope that lurid fatass consultant gets an heart attack

>>53866109
If by "done well" you mean "barely manage to be tier 2," then yes they have "done well"

>>53869412
Won't HOU be drafted with AHK? I thought big-small sets got drafted together

>>53870965
it will be but its apparently the last set to be drafted like that

>>53861770
>I wonder how the gate watch lives through this though. they fucked over his planar portal plan badly so I feel like he'd just want them done with.

It's Nicol Bolas, he's comically evil.

Note that the "Defeat" cycle's art shows them in Bolas's hand. His touch shatters minds, so they're getting brain broke'd then scatted across the multiverse (or maybe some of them recruited)

>>53862202

I will first pick the shit out of that

>>53871294
Pretty sure Rivals of Ixalan is the last one. As everything afterwords follows the new format for sets.

>>53871491
You think wotc will give up on the gatewatch so easily?

>>53871533
>You think wotc will give up on the gatewatch so easily?

No, we'll be spending the next few sets with Ajani trawling the planes to find them all.

>>53856953
Wake me up when we're back on Dominaria.

>>53871571
It's gonna be the Ajani B-team with allied colored callers. Like Rakdos Tibalt who became a pirate king on the pirate plane

So the dinosaur set is definitely real, yeah?

>>53871727

http://magic.wizards.com/en/products/ixalan

We've got the entire fucking rare sheet as well

>>53871700
DON'T TAUNT ME LIKE THAT.

I don't think the Gatewatch are ever going to be matching Bolas unless they bring some real muscle, like Karn

>>53871700
>Rakdos Tibalt

This is all I need

>>53871956
>implying they don't bring Urza from Dominaria and he slaps Bolas' shit in two seconds

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Gishark, Sun's Avatar
5RGW
Legendary Creature - Dinosaur Avatar
Trample, vigilance, haste

When Gishark, Sun's Avatar deals combat damage to a player, reveal that many cards from the top of your library. Put any number of Dinosaur creature cards from among them onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.

this sounds kinda strong desu

>>53866170
>>53866178

>gross jank invocations

Fuck this bullshit. Fifty cent cards?

>>53869032
This post made me realize why the eternalized tokens look so weird: it's probably to avoid China's weird legal issues about spooky skellingtons.

>upshifting a fifty cent common to invocation
I can't even respond to this properly.

>>53872112
Oh, this with double strike is gonna be odd.
>Look at the first 7 cards from first strike damage, then look at the next 7 from normal damage.

>>53872179
Wasn't Ornithopter one of the most sought-after Inventions?

>>53872112
>5RGW
In what format are you expecting this to be played, especially with Marvel being banned?

>>53869376
Kinda ticks me off that this is not in WUBRG.

The Cartouches stacked this way somehow look like the Invocation Avatar of Woe. Huh.

>>53872209
Just checked, and apparently people will pay $57 for a card that normally peaks at under two bucks. I'm really confused now.

>>53872223
>a jank legendary tribal creature that costs 8 mana in 3 colors

HMM, I WONDER

>>53872251
Let's face it, EDH isn't a wacky and weird format that allows you to play whatever jank you like. EDH is very closed to being a solved format and there's no reason to play anything outside of a handful of optimal decks.

Saying that any card can be good in EDH is blatantly false.

>>53872303
It is an EDH card. Not everyone plays EDH competitively. In fact I would wager most people don't, which is why it has remained one of the most popular formats in the last few years among both FNM goers and the kitchen table crowd alike.

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>>53872303
Thank you, mr.Spike. Now kindly fuck off.

>>53872246
>Just checked, and apparently people will pay $57 for a card that normally peaks at under two bucks. I'm really confused now.

Masterpieces are not intended to be reprints of sought-after cards.

They're just bling for the same people who play foiled out vintage decks.

>>53872303
Look at the Spike. Look at the Spike and pity him.

>>53872496
>>53872406
>>53872364
Say that when you're getting wrecked by Atraxa Superfriends for the hundredth time.

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>>53872303
>eternal, multiplayer format
>solved
>>53872536
what's funny is that while Atraxa is good, she folds pretty fast to any MonoW deck

>>53872406
>scrambleverse
>not thieves' auction
>not shared fate + zur's weirding
>not donating a celestial dawn to someone not playing white
>not recurring a worldpurge

:^)

>>53872675
>not donating a celestial dawn to someone not playing white
This doesn't color-lock nonW decks anymore. All colors of mana can be produced by everyone now.

>>53872675
>not donating a celestial dawn to someone not playing white

This doesn't work anymore with the rule changes about colored mana does it?

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Not bad

>>53872913
cheap card draw/consistency engine in standard huh? maybe wotc wants to make draw-go and combos more viable!

>>53872913
>Atraxa needed more toys

>>53872536
No one in my playgroup plays Atraxa Superfriends. The most degenerate thing is probably Zur, and that player's busy with monogreen Elfball right now.

Get better friends.

>People actually give a shit about dinosaurs
What are you, six?

>>53873087
>not caring about dinosaurs
What are you, eighty?

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>>53872913
Seems very okay. It helps control decks but I can't really see them playing it. Maybe Colossus will try it out. I think this is fine in draft as a 1 of.

>>53873087
Cry some more, fleshy.

>>53869854
You know what if fucking mean asshat, blue and white are the primary embalm types, but red has heart piercer manticore and green has honored hydra, the mechanic could spread to other colors like it did for a few cards. get your head out of your ass anon

>>53871491
In all fairness, Bolas sent Tezzeret to take care of the portal.
If he sent TEZZERET of all people to do anything, then he felt both success and failure were acceptable outcomes, and that failure was the more likely of the two.
Thus his goal was most likely 'if I can get the planar portal that's great, but it's more important that nobody else gets it because that could actually fuck one of my plans over'. Tezzeret nearly succeeding outright - and actually managing to acquire the most important part of the portal - is amazing, because Tezzeret is a goddamn failure at everything he has ever attempted to do.

>>53873087
What are you, gay?

>>53872053
Urza is as dead as dead can be. As is Yawgmoth.
Neither are ever coming back. This has been stated outright with no wiggle room.

>>53872913
Wow, that switching of the mechanics is really cool. Nice one Wizards.

>>53873417
Yeah, every once in a while, they manage to be clever.

>>53872234
It's the order of the trials, and they wanted Hazoret to be last

>>53872112
Coming right out of the gate and making sure the EDH crown gets their legendary Dino asap. Fuck you WOTC I still hate you. You can't give me the stepdad with gifts after molesting me treatment.

>>53872303
Lmao

You don't know what you're talking about.

>>53867419
>Delver
>Draw Go
What differentiates Tempo from Draw Go is that Draw Go can't afford to lose their wincon once it's deployed.
Tempo is the obviously better control variant because it actually tries to play and win a game of Magic. But too many autists claim Tempo, Stax and MBC aren't control because the only control is Draw Go with nothing but counterspells, card draw and a single wincon.

No wonder that archetype is dead.

>>53864714
I too really want to go back to Tarkir, I wonder if the return will be a one block approach or a two block, like Dragon Fall and the Khan Rise. When it came to the first visit, WotC fucked up since people liked the Khans way more then the dragons. On top of that the Dragons were not a better alternative, they are just as bad if not worse than the khans in their action. I wonder what direction they take Tarkir, I just wish they would drop hurrr Timmys like the Drag0ns!!!!

The First Law of Resurrection:

There is no amount of "Deader than Dead, No Seriously, For Realz This Time" which can trump a writer's desire to bring a character back.

>>53872144
But almost every set has zombies.

>>53874671
I'm glad they reprinted this, even if only at super-mega-unfindable rarity. It belongs in a set about deserts.

>>53874671
This almost makes me want to make room for an extra Sunforger Target

>>53872112
>When Gishark, Sun's Avatar deals combat damage to a player, reveal that many cards from the top of your library. Put any number of Dinosaur creature cards from among them onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.

That's a very yugioh effect

>>53874433
>Kolaghan is infinitely worst than Zurgo and actually ruined the world for everyone
>Atarka is much worse than Surrak, she turned a shamanistic nation into modern feminism
>Dromoka is worse than Anafenza and turned a merchant soldiers culture into a communist cult of personality
>Ojutai is worse than Narset, he stifles enlightment and turned an academic meritocracy into an oligarchy
>Silumgar was equal to Tasigur, he changed opression for betrayal. But corruption, vanity and murder weren't uncommon in either timeline. all the Sultai lost were their palace gardeners.

>>53874694
China won't print shit where human skellies are clearly visible but has no problem with corpses and gore.
Go to magiccards.info and check skellies in chinese, they're all edited.

>>53874950
this is true of a variety of things aimed at children in china. its why dota 2 has a low violence mode as well.

>>53874950
Why are they so spooked??

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>>53856953

GOOD FUCKING GOD CAN MTG JUST UPDATE THE HIDEOUS FUCKING CARD FRAMES ALREADY

THE CARDS ARE UGLY AS SIN. THE ARTWORK IS DROWNED IN A SEA OF SHIT FRAMES.

>>53857525
so wait...Bolas was the God-Pharon?

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>>53875100
Who could have guessed?

>>53874995
Because of massive human rights violations leading to malnourishment and corpses being propaganda against Communism.

>>53874930
The Sultai under Sidisi (Tasigur was the Khan from the past, don't forget) were far less paranoid about everything, struck deals with others to amass their huge wealth so that they could HAVE things like Treasure Cruises, and hadn't turned their environment into a toxic cesspit.
And Atarka's problem isn't 'modern feminism'. Atarka can't even fucking talk, she's too fucking dumb. Atarka is a walking ecological disaster.
Kolaghan fucked up the plains and that's about it, worse than Zurgo but that's about it.

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This is death cloud, right?

>>53875118
I mean, I did guess, but nearly everyone at my LFGS laughed at me for suggesting it.

>>53875118
It was the Phyrexians dude
Hour of Devastation was an inside job
They're putting chemicals in the mana that turn the freaking plague frogs gay

>>53875174
Is everyone at your LFGS retarded?

>>53875173

it was doomsday

what the fuck

>>53874536
In cape comics, sure. But at best, you'll get some Tarkir style time fuckery or something to revisit the character. But letting them come back to make their mistakes again isn't on the table unless there's a Marvel or DC logo on the box somewhere.

Just let it go, Urza and everything tied to his narrative is in the past, let him rest.

>>53874433
They should have started with dragons, then time travelling bullshit retcon Tarkir into the khans.
It would have been a much better story for Sarkhan, having to sacrifice his dragon fetish to bring back Ugin.

>>53875174
>I did guess
Yeah, you sure did Sherlock

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>>53874950
Um?

>>53874870
>reveal 2000 cards from the top of your library

>>53875144
>And Atarka's problem isn't 'modern feminism'.
>Everyone must feed the fatty and tell her she's pretty, OR DIE!
It was a joke autismo.

>>53866170
It's not Hazorets last reckoning. Fuck sake wizards

>>53856953
Going right into the shitty squirrel cat deck I ordered today.

>>53875195
they were probably the same guys who thought marit lage was Innistrad's invader.

>>53875257
Alternatively, they could have just started with two-color khans: WU Jeskai, UB Sultai, BR Mardu, RG Temur, GW Abzan. Have them fighting enemy-colored dragons in FRF: UR Ojutai, BG Silumgar, RW Kolaghan, GU Atarka, and WB Abzan. Then, in DTK, after the dragons have seized control of the clans, they end up tri-colored.

Boom, same story, but with the world ending in the state that the majority of people will prefer.

>>53872112
MY JANKY AS FUCK DINOSAUR TRIBAL WILL DREAM OF PUBSTOMPING ALL

>>53875520
>guys who thought marit lage was Innistrad's invader.

No, we knew it was Emrakul. We just hoped it wasn't.

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COMBO DECKS

>>53875734
Best art so far.

>>53875378
It was a shitty joke

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>>53874930
If I ever meet you face to face, I buy you a beer

>>53863141
Wait, isn't this color-shifted functional reprint?

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>>53876007
I thought it was funny

>>53874930
>Dromoka is worse than Anafenza and turned a merchant soldiers culture into a communist cult of personality
Not to mention that you're executed if you honor your ancestors, essentially making her delete your family and your history.
As well as Ojutai going full information control burning all the records he can find about old Tarkir.

>>53859565
Because there haven't been cycling enemy dual lands spoiled, so that other anon presumably assumed that these desert things were taking those slots.

>>53874399
Delver was dogshit in INN/RTR standard. Unplayable card. That deck was only good when it had Mana Leak, Ponder, and Gitaxian Probe from the previous standard.

I was referring ot UW Draw-Go with Restoration Angel, Augur of Bolas, and Snapcaster Mage which won via Piking up a spirit token. The deck went through various iterations adding black or blue. Then Aetherling came out and replaced the Pike win condition.

The deck was able to fight against aggro because of Augur of Bolas, Azorious Charm, 4-mana Wrath, and Sphinx's Revelation.

>>53876311
*adding black or red (Esper or Jeskai)

>>53863115
I use both
>Dragonshields for commander and Canadian highlander
>Eclipse for other decks

>>53864854
Is that UB Jace?

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>>53863115
>ultra pro eclipse
I've tried those and I do not understand all the hype. I dislike the shuffle feel and the overall texture of moving around cards. Flicking cards is a nightmare.
I don't know, maybe they're better double sleeved, but single sleeved I do not enjoy them at all and would pick dragon shield mattes all day every day.

>>53863115
Have any of you tried the dragonshield inner sleeves? The kmc ones are all over the place (in terms of size/consistency/fit) and I'm getting kind of fed up with them.

>>53876418
they shuffle like butter idk what you're talking about

>>53875734
11/10 flavor

Anyone have a good Jeskai control list that runs ancestral?

>>53875205
Its the demon who summoned bolas you fucking tard. Of course the ritual that summons the guy who beats the heros is represented by one of the best combo tutor cards ever.

What happens to Mono-black and B/W zombies once rotation kicks in?

Embalm?

>>53876976
The Marketplace

>>53876976
BW embalm/externalize?
>>53876987
Kek

>>53877003
Embalm is too expensive to be good, there would have to be a really pushed one that has a strong ETB effect and is cheap to embalm.

>>53877093

I think Honored Hydra is the only one that is cheaper to Embalm than just cast, and it's just a big dumb trampled otherwise.

>>53876976
better yet, what will happen to my Sylvan Advocates and Tireless trackers

>>53877262
I have an odric deck with exert creature/always watching. It's gonna be dead too.

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>>53877308
>>53877262
>>53876976
>tfw just gonna build my BG delirium into energy

>>53877337
I have a BG -1/-1 counters, will probably add something energy as well
is jund the way to go?

>>53877478
Jund is always the way to go when in doubt, plus Hapatra and Scorpion God synergies looks sweet as fuck.

>>53877514
Creature (20)
2x Baleful Ammit
4x Channeler Initiate
3x Crocodile of the Crossing
1x Dune Beetle
1x Endless One
2x Exemplar of Strength
2x Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons
3x Sylvan Advocate
2x Tireless Tracker

Land (25)
3x Blooming Marsh
9x Forest
4x Hissing Quagmire
9x Swamp

Instant (11)
3x Blossoming Defense
4x Grasp of Darkness
4x Hapatra's Mark

Sorcery (2)
2x Wander in Death

Enchantment (2)
2x Nest of Scarabs

I'm running this ATM, pretty fun so far. You got any ideas for when shit rotates out?

>>53876418
>Flicking cards
Don't do that.

>>53876418
double sleeved eclipses, haven't tried dragonshield mattes personally, finally upgraded to some highly recommended sleeves, and my orange versions are fine, I riffle shuffle and they work fine, they do get better with use also, but feel vs protection? I go with protection any day.
However which has better material? when does DS sleeves start to have gaps at the top, my ones have a few as UPE but nothing distinct.

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>>53877337
when embalm/eternalize is possibly good

>>53878000
Needs a second frame with the car crashing into Bolas

>>53877612
If you go Jund you can add in Scorpion God and Soul Scar Mage + burn spells. That's always fun. I'm debating between a similar deck to that and either UB or WUB cycling.

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>>53871533
I think there are two reasons for this
>the planned part where the team gets broken up and divided across the multiverse so they get stronger and better than before (a la One Piece time skip event)
>People were fucking sick of them in every set

>>53872675
>Not playing GOAT and using all of em
Hehehehe.
HEHEHEHEHEHE.

>>53871700
>Rakdos Tibalt who became a pirate king on the pirate plane
Bruuh that'd be sweet