Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

First for Tau suits
Forge World article mentions an index full of suits, nothing about aux aliens

This thread is now to be consumed by the Hive Fleets!

>>53839538
No, damn it combined arms looked to be coming back.
I liked some suits as the deep strikers to support combined arms, but fuck this all giant suit shit.

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Just getting started, love the fluff of the fallen and they should be easy enough to not fuck up painting. Anything wrong with this list or should I be set for casual games? open to any suggestions

shitsters of basshole

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Would like a legit rate for my list, please.

Fun? Underpowered? Lacking in an area or multiple?

Blood Angels or Grey Knights in 8th? Which would you play and why?

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Picture related triggers autistic people.

The day has come, friendos! In a few hours stores will open here and the new edition will be avsilable.

Are you excited for your new Death Guard?
Pumped to prime your pristine primaris?
Or just gonna let it go past because we've had the new rules, point costs etc for long enough that the whole big wait for release feels like a bland joke?

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>>53839586

>>53839654
first for just ruining the shit out of every single horde spammer I see on opening day

but then not seeing any because nobody would bring a retarded /tg/ meme to a real store

>>53839614
Seems alright if a little light on ML support. Only real issue is 4 detachments, 3 is limit m8

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>>53839654
Excited about the most boring aspect of 40k? Marines and Chaos marines.
Maybe if I was 9 and haven't been playing 40k for more than two decades.

Is this what old feels like?

>>53839651
80s as fuck!

I'd post that one white dwarf cover with the guy that looks like jontron but I don't have it.

>>53839654
I'll tell ya what I want. I want the rules for all my forge world Guard units.

>>53839614

Seems a bit low in MLs and anti-heavy shit. Expect some heavy stuff at 2k
Are Krootox even any good?

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>>53839654
I just want to know if my sweet Repressor will have rules.

What do you do when you need to purge and entire city and only have Civilian riot control vehicle?
Well you replace the water cannon with a Heavy Flamer and the rubber bullet gun with a Storm Bolter.

>>53839694
Wait seriously, 3 detachments max? Where is that written?
>>53839745
Well, MLs ain't that big of a deal in 8th. Got one on each Strike team, 2 per stealthteam with a drone controller and 7 pathfinders using them.. push comes to shove the fireblade can do it too. That really too low?

I'll give you the anti-heavy shit though, that's been my greatest concern for ages. hard to get heavy stuff that I both like aesthetically AND fits my fluff.

I'm not sure they are, but this is a test list, my first Tau game in 8th. Giving all kroot units a whirl. I'm expecting disappointment.

>>53839817
in the rulebook you fucking retard

read the fucking rules, idiot

>>53839521
God damn CLOWNS

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>>53839590
if you really want to play fallen exclusively, variations of this is pretty much your only list

>>53839779
>water cannon
>rubber bullets
>Imperium

The riot control spec was probably heavy flamer and heavy stubber.

I know indexes are leaked, but are the official epubs leaked yet?

>>53839694
>>53839817
It's in the Organized Play box in the BRB. It's a suggestion for tournaments, not a requirement.

Compared to Intercessors, Sterns have one more AP but one less wound and attack. Are they even worth the Elite slot?

>>53840063
I dunno that they're available anywhere yet.
It's 7am Aust Eastern, just gone 9am Kiwi. I imagine they'd have release lined up with stores opening, which would have given 5 mins in Kiwiland, if they're super on the ball.

>>53839848
I'd fight it.

>>53839876
I mean, they use automatic grenade launchers when people get too riled up about church.

That was a weird book.

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>>53840091
>suggestion
breaking out this old chestnut

again

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>>53840150

>>53840176
>>53840091
Bonza, fuck that 3 detachments shit. If that'd be the case why not just make a single detahcment with 0-20 of everything and call it a day?

New TTS emps just came out

>>53839538
Well, Forge World don't really do anything that isn't battlesuits or heavy hardware. Gnarlocs is all else I can think of now.

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Could someone do me a solid and post the picture of the Death Guard vectorium colour schemes?

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How's this look for my first 40k list? Not sure about the Stormsurge, I might cut it for more commanders.

>>53840205
if you can't fit whatever the fuck army you're building into 3 detachments you've done lost yo damn mind

>>53840263
Commander with 3*MP+ATS is cheaper and does better damage than Commander with 4*MP.

>>53840205
Because it's extremely simple to take lots of minimum sized detachments to spam command points. Doesn't sound like much but for an assault army being able to ensure hitting first even if you didn't charge is a game changer.

>>53840293
Oh nice, thanks. I'll have another go at it.

>>53840305
Np. Check the damage-calculations link in the OP. There's some useful stuff for T'au.

I'd like to continue discussion on how to deal with horde based armies as Dark Eldar. Actually, make that eldar in general. Are there any units that are particularly effective at chopping through da boyz?

>>53840233

FW is too busy with 30k to add new stuff

>>53840103
They can all take combi weapons, so yeah.

NEED HELP:

Im gonna start 40k deathguard, should i get a leviathan dread with a flux and claw OR a khabrydis assault claw drop pod?

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>>53840349
observing responses with keen interest

>>53840456
This thread is a tad premature, so there's still some active discussion going on over here: >>53840391

As I i have a wyvern. Secondhand. I gave it some love and it doesn't look so bad. Unfortunately the 'wyvern' parts are glued in but good and I'd like to, on occasion, run it as a hydra. Does anyone know where I can get that forge world hydra turret?

Someone post the meme where the orc does that black guy thinking meme and says "new ap rules won't effect you if you don't wear armour"

>>53840580
> black guy thinking meme

KYS

Charge seems silly

why isn't it 6+d6''

>>53840610
cry about it bitch

>>53840602
>kys
You have to be 18 or over to post on this board

>>53840610
It's already 2d6+1 what more do you want?

>>53840610
You ever started running and fell flat on your face instead?

>>53840211
I liked depressed Corax.

>>53839651
Looks like it says Cornmeal Warhammer 40,000

>>53840672

2d6+0.999999...
:^)

>>53840610
Because that would be imbalanced as fuck?

>>53840672
>>53840698
You joke, but the remainder is important. You need a 9 inch charge to charge out of deep strike because of it.

>>53840698
>0.999999...
Is the same as 1

>>53840715
No you don't. You need a 9 inch charge to charge out of deep strike because of the deep strike rules which force you to deploy >9" away.

>>53840716
it is infinitely less than 1

Reminder that to get D6 mortal wounds with a smite you need to roll MORE THAN 10 on the psychic test, not 10 or more.

Only an 11 or 12 is a super-smite. I've seen literally everyone in every battle report get this wrong including the FLG playtesters and GW.

>>53840716

I was writing 0.999... as a symbol for a number less than 1.

>>53840700
How is giving a 50/50 change not to fail after a deep strike imbalanced?

>>53840739
No it is exactly 1, learn math.

>>53840737
Yes, and the charge rules force you to get <1" away. If you successfully charge on an 8 inch charge, it means you either were either within 9 inches, or you are currently outside of 1 inch. Even though the difference between the 8 inch charge, and your needed charge range is 2 infintesimals, you need a 9 inch charge to surmount it. I think it's one of the dumber designs in 8th edition.

>>53840780
Because you cannot into simple math and it's not 50/50, try again.

>>53840792
Exactly 1" away is within an inch. Within an inch doesn't mean within less than an inch, it means within an inch.

You can't succeed on an 8-inch charge because you were over 9 inches away.

>>53839521
So what's the deal with Primaris marines? I keep hearing that they're underperforming

>>53840783
No, it is infinitely less than 1, learn to maths.

>>53840783
But anon, how can you claim to know maths, if you cant even spell it correctly?

>>53840829
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinitesimal

Hey I am new to 40K, what sort of equipment would an Inquisitor in the Ordo Xenos have?

>>53840783
Its not, its simply taken as 1 for convenience.

>>53840840

0.333... = (1/3)
[(1/3)x3=1] = [0.333...x3=0.999...]
0.999...=1

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Happy reacts only.
I haven't played a game of 40k in years.

Rules looks neat.

Also the box is INCREDIBLE. Loved the inquisition seal.

How is the testing of 8th so far? Its "balanced"? I play "not even a single flyer" 'nids, and "I just play my fav looking Nurgle models" CSM.
>>53840858
Unbreakable Faith.

>arguing over a flaw in base 10

>>53840869
Mathematicians disagree. It's been inarguably proven that 0.99repeating = 1. Not "oh it's close to one but not TECHNICALLY" no it is literally 1 in every possible way.

This is a simple retard filter for college level math courses.

>>53840902
>pretend this is gift wrap
is that toilet paper?

>>53840857
Has nothing to do with this discussion.

>>53840899

That's an abstraction based on nobody owning an infinitely complex calculator that can display an endless string of nines.

>>53840922
It depends on your number system faggot.

Basic calculus was derived from the assumption of infinitesimal quantities, like the difference between .999~ and 1.

>>53840899
>look mom I did some maths incorrectly

>>53840902
>Happy reacts only.
get that facebook shit outta here.

>>53840945

No, 0.333... is a symbol for (1/3)

>>53840950
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...

>>53840946
And warhammer 40,000 is not a calculus based system.

>>53840927
Kicthen paper, i guess.
It was my GF birthday so there was a lot of stuff lyin around.
It basically felt like my party because new 40k arrived and also ARMS for the switch

now i'm waiting for my 500 bucks of 'nids I ordered and im done for a while.
>>53840958
chill mate

>>53840939
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...
The equality of 0.999… and 1 is closely related to the absence of nonzero infinitesimals in the real number system, the most commonly used system in mathematical analysis. Some alternative number systems, such as the hyperreals, do contain nonzero infinitesimals. In most such number systems, the standard interpretation of the expression 0.999… makes it equal to 1, but in some of these number systems, the symbol "0.999…" admits other interpretations that contain infinitely many 9s while falling infinitesimally short of 1.

>>53840899

1/3 of 1 displays as .3 repeating because we don't have the ability to show in finite digits the distinction between .3 repeating an an actual third of 1.

>>53840841
fuck off britfag. next you'll be telling me all about sport... absurd island people

>>53840973
Maybe if you're terrible at the game.

>>53841007
You sound butt flustered, are you per chance a European? Or maybe an amerifat with THAT educational system? Either way you seem to be a tad angry...jealous dare I say?

>>53840973
everything is a calculus based system. It all depends on how aware of it you are.

Okay nobody in Australia or New Zealand leaked FW books, so I guess in an hour I'm buying the marine ebook.

Any other Brits here willing to nut up and buy the Chaos one? I ain't doing both and I'm more immediately invested in finding out how my drradnoughts run now.

>>53839521
So I keep hearing that Riptides are bad this edition. I don't play Tau, nor do I play against them commonly, but I'm curious how badly they got nerfed.

>>53841064
Do they have a xenos book?

>>53841064
Sum1, plz buy the guard book

>>53840832
Imagine I give you two options.

You can take 10 Marines with 1 Wound each, 1 Attack each, and 1 Bolter each, for a total of 10 Wounds, 10 Attacks, and 10 Bolter shots outside rapid fire range.

Or, for about the same points, you can take 5 Marines with 2 Wounds each, 2 Attacks each, and 1 Bolter each, for 10 Wounds, 10 Attacks, and 5 Bolter shots outside rapid fire range, except they get 6" more range.

They both have the same number of Wounds and Attacks, and all other stats are identical, except the big ones have 50% the firepower.

>But they have -1 AP too

Okay, so they increase the chance of an enemy who has an armour save and not an invuln equal or better than that save of failing it by about 16%. So under certain conditions, not even every target, they have 66% of the firepower. For an extra 6 inches of range.

But wait, that's not all. If I shoot the Tactical Squad with 2damage weapons and kill two Marines, there is no overflow and they've lost 2 of their 10 Wounds. If I shoot the same weapons at the Primaris squad with the same results, they lose 4 of their 10 Wounds. So they're strictly worse against >1 damage weapons.

But wait that's not all. If the two units engage each other on an objective, and they each cause 3 Wounds to each other, the Tacticals end up with 7 models, the Primaris end up with 4 and one Wounded model. The Tactical Marines hold the objective, because model count is all that matters.

But wait that's not all. The Tactical Squad can take special and heavy weapons that give them more flexibility against more targets, in an edition where everything has universal split fire and plasma guns can be fired on a safe setting and melta is more effective against more targets and heavy weapons only get a -1 for moving and shooting, while the Primaris are stuck with their basic loadout.

There is almost no situation I can think of where the Primaris are better.

>>53841078

400 points for basically Heavy 3 Str 7 AP-3 D1
So basically a 3 shot plasma rifle with 72'' range firing at BS 4+

Any suggestion on something to represent the cauldron of nurgle?

>>53841086

Xenos and Guard are next week, marines and chaos this week.

Anyhow assuming warhammer digital lets me download in 52 minutes, any requests for what units you want to see first?

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Just noticed this guy even has a chad haircut

>>53841125
Chads have mohawks now?

is imotekh + 20 flayers good enough or will newcrons be destined for the dumpster?

>>53841150

That's more something halfway between a Mohawk and and hi top fade.

>>53841125
if by chad you mean private fresh out of boot camp in the marine corps

>>53841125

Mohawks are prevalent in nearly every 40k faction.

Do detachments have to share a faction?

Like if I wanted to run an army that had DE and CSM, could I do that?

>>53841121

Fire Raptors.

>>53839779
Rules are in one of the new forgeworld books. Shows in the table of contents page.

>>53841197
No.

>>53841159
Necron are great you simpleton

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I'm looking to use this list this weekend to try out some things. Has anyone used ravagers with disintegrators? Are shredders actually useful now?

Looking at the preview for the FW indexes and can anyone tell me what the flying fuck a Gryphonne pattern Chimera is compared to a conventional? Is it new? Or did FW look at GW's Chimera and say "No that's shit, here's how it's done!"

>>53841114
They would've been great in 7th, where everything did 1 wound of damage so multiwound units were inherently stronger than an equal number of equally armored dudes. But this almost feels intentional, like the game creators didn't want to be accused of adding new, game-breaking dudes that would replace the original marines. Or maybe I'm giving GW too much credit.

Those hellblasters look kind of like the IG's command squad in they can be a special weapons team with exclusively heavy weapons. To a player that can be seen as "Everything you want but nothing you don't" or "Overly expensive with no ablative wounds."

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>>53841197

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>>53841179
Even Tyranids!

>>53841249
Disintigrator cannons look like good elite killers. For your marines and shit.

Not very good at MSUs.

>>53841150
Maybe this is just a U.K trend. Lots of chads have zero to 1 back and sides and a bit on top

>>53841114
>>53841254
I was a little disingenuous with my comparison, as 10 tac marines costs 130 points but 5 intercessors is only 100, so the do make up for the weaknesses a little bit in point-efficiency per Wound, but I didn't want to complicate the math too much.

>>53841249
What do you do when an IG player shows up with more wounds in 450 points than you have in your army?

>>53841327
take out the commissar and laugh as they crumble after you charge them.

Hopefully.

>>53841121
Stratagems and mono-faction bonuses.

>>53841346
How do you take out the commissar? Bear in mind, he's a character, so you can't target him with anything in your list.

Here's my 1000 point Guard list to open up 8th with.
Do conscripts now make a good screen, or are they easily ignored?

Company Commander
= 30

Veterans
+ X3 Plasma gun
+ Sergeant w/ Boltgun
= 82

Veterans
+ X3 Plasma gun
+ Sergeant w/ Boltgun
= 82

Bullgryns
+ X3 Bullgryn Maul
=126

Chimera
+ Multilas
+ Heavy Bolter
= 93

Chimera
+ Multilas
+ Heavy Bolter
= 93

Chimera
+ Multilas
+ Heavy Flamer
= 102

Heavy Weapons squad
+ X3 Heavy Bolters
= 36

Leman Russ
+ Battle Cannon
+ X3 Heavy Bolter
= 178

Leman Russ
+ Battle Cannon
+ X3 Heavy Bolter
= 178

>>53841165
I kinda want some memes about primaris acting like fucking boots now.

>>gives the aquila salute to fucking servitors
>>keeps asking if combat is like the simulators
>>keeps getting that haircut even though he doesn't serve in tenth company now.
>>never takes off his fucking armor, even on the strike cruiser.

>>53841361
With faith.
or you can just ignore him and take the units one by one.
IG infantry dies easily than it seems and will crumble when charged(just be careful on those overwatch shots).
The tanks, as usual, are your real enemy.

>>53841197
Not in a battle forged army. All detachments have to share a faction. in narrative and open play? fuck it, go for it B R O

>>53841404
>IG infantry dies easily than it seems and will crumble when charged
Not anymore.

No blasts, no templates, no spammable AP 5, no sweeps.

>>53841125
>high n tight
>Chad haircut
I work follow.

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so, if the emperor were to wake up right now with full power and full health, what would happen?

>>53841543
He would realize how powerful forced military service is now, and begin press-ganging his citizens at unprecedented rates for the coming crusade.

>>53841327
Probably have a fun time.

>>53841543

Probably have a tantrum over the mess left by 10 millennia of a stagnant empire.

>>53841571
would he just force change immediately or phase it in over time?

>>53841543
*inquisitorial screeching*

So, what are actual good kits for carnifexes now as they aren't shit anymore?

>>53841632
Full C/C.
Always go full c/c.
DAKKAFEX IS FOR THE WEAK

>>53841632
Two scy/tals and bio-plasma seems to be a standard I've seen mentioned before.

Screamer Killers are cheap and very effective.

>>53841632
Their main use I think is charging into units to disable overwatch. They don't really do that good of damage, but they're cheap and durable.

>>53839651
>Skulltits

Would buy, paint and field

>>53841664

Interesting, is a D3 shot really worth it at BS 4+?

I mean, it averages like one (1,75) hit

>>53841666
They can also fuck up tough, expensive units in CC

So I know everything leaked and all... but is anyone actually excited about the release tomorrow? Where are you guys getting your books?

>>53841730
Worse places to spend nine points as far as I'm concerned.

It's not necessary but it's still a fairly good tbit of reach for them, plus I'm a sucker for a complete Screamer Killer kit on them.

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Repostan because didn't notice there was a new bread.
Admech Brigade, for 2.5k games. Tried to include a little of everything, I like the versatility of 8e Mech.

HQ:
Cawl (250)
Dominus, Macrostubber and Volkite (135)
Dominus, Macrostubber and Volkite (135)

Troops:

10 Vanguard, 3 Plascals, Omnispex (149)
10 Vanguard, 3 Plascals, Omnispex (149)
10 Vanguard, 3 Plascals, Omnispex (149)
5 Rangers, 2 Arquebi, Omnispex (107)
5 Rangers, 2 Arquebi, Omnispex (107)
5 Vanguard (50)

Elites:

10 Fulgurites (160)
10 Fulgurites (160)
Cybernetica Datasmith (52)

Fast Attack:

Dragoon, Lance, Serpenta (74)
Dragoon, Lance, Serpenta (74)
Balistarius, Twin Autocannon (75)

Heavy Support:

Dunecrawler, Neutron and 2x Stubber (151)
Dunecrawler, Neutron and 2x Stubber (151)
Dunecrawler, Neutron and 2x Stubber (151)
Kastelan Maniple of 2, full Phosphor (220)

Total is 2499, would like to have Data-Tethers on my Vanguard but points are a thing and I have 12CP for autopass if saving some random Vanguard is that important.
Dragoon pair scouts out, deploys near a couple units if possible for a turn of +1Ld before racing off to tie up enemy shooty and stall assault boats. Ironstrider is entirely there to finish damaged units and generally be a bit of a dick.

Rangers find sniping spots, Crawlers if possible deploy in the Cawl Concave for rerolls with the Boop Maniple in front and dakka things, if needed they can advance with the Kastelans with their 8" move to find a spot for Turret Mode.

The 5 Vanguard follow the Fulgurites around and help them out debuffing enemy toughness, they're cheap and might hold an objective or something.

>>53841791

I'm still pumped to get my actual digital copies and read them on my iPad and to get my box tomorrow. Leaks are nice but having it all laid out and easy will be very nice.

>>53841791

local store is having a 15% off sale. going to try and buy as much as i can for 1000 pts of harlequins.

>>53841810

Nice! I couldn't spring for the box I'm just picking up minimum 1 codex and rulebook

>>53841816

Oh wow I wonder of my store is doing anything. Guess I'll find out!

So where do I find the free rules?

>>53841847

I got super lucky and the release timed really well with our bonus pay out at work so I got to splurge a little.

Did you pick your Astartes legion because of their primarch? If so then why that primarch?

>>53841862

in the leaks section of the OP

Why is 1d4chan so poorly written? I would like to be able to read an article about strategy, not two people arguing in the article (and not the talk page) with *BLAM* inserted *BLAM* between *BLAM* every *BLAM* word.

>>53841730
Average one hit plasma for 9 points on a durable platform.

>>53840349
okay, so you might not be on anymore but here are my thoughts for hoard eldar.

No eldar is going to be true hoard in terms of huge units. You're max unit sizes are 20, and that's restricted just to base troops and none of them get a bonus for being over size 10 except for extra special weapons, but that just keeps them on base for weapons per model. That and single targets for CW eldar buffs.

However, you can attempt to mass multiple units of dudes. In which case I recommend DE eldar.

Dark Eldar have some ways of getting masses.
A beast master with Razorwing flocks can fill up the board pretty cheap, and the razorwings can tie up enemy units early giving the rest of your army time to approach.

For the rest of your army, your going to want bodies protecting guns.
Kabalites near an incubus can a variety of guns, and some moral protection, but the buff isn't that much over their base leadership.

Wracks are limited to 10 man units, but their buff from a HQ is much better, making them decently survivable, and if they can last into melee hitting on 2+ wounding on 4+ is pretty decent.

>>53841885
Because it's a community wiki written by autists. Never listen to any advice from that shithole.

>>53841894
>you're
>DE eldar

How are Harlequins in 8th edition? What units should I run in a 1500pts list?

>>53841894
Oh, I'm not trying to be a horde player, I'm trying to have a safe strategy against horde players.

>>53841921
top tier I gather

run all of them its not like you have a massive selection

>>53841791
Tomorrow?
Catch up pleb. Even the chinks know it's today already.

>>53841921
This guy runs a 1500 list and does quite well with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRs5p6OpaDs

>>53839521
guys, how are death guard? ive been playing them since 5th edition and i dont mind not being top tier as ive been through some dark times with the CSMs but i never hear about them being discussed on /tg/ so i fear for the worst.

>>53841939
The strategy to beat hordes is to run hordes. There are no other options. GW made this boots on the ground edition. There is no cost-effective way to deal with masses of cheap models with big expensive ones.

>>53841958
Where can I see his list?

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Fire Raptor, as requested.

>>53841965
Just check out what he runs. At 10 minutes he runs through his items.

>>53841963
Wait for their Codex.

Where in the rules does it say how many models I can attack with in the fight phase? Is it just whichever models are in base contact, or is it 1-2 rows deep?

>>53841885
Because it's written by autistic armchair generals from /tg/ wanking themselves off to the thought of 500 conscripts, but who haven't even had a beginners game of 8th yet and don't even play Guard

>>53841991
In the Fight phase rules dummy.

>>53841921

they're great. put 5-man troupes in their transport with a master and give them fusion pistols and harlequin's embrace for troupe choices. run max units of bikes. and a max unit of the gun platforms (whichever fucking weaver it is). fill out with whatever else you feel like.

>>53841976
Ty. Points?

>>53841976
Stratagems and faction bonuses, please.

>>53842006

I'm flicking through the book once quickly to sate my curiosity. Points are a priority, but at the back.

>>53841980
It's weird, Troupe masters are HQs so he has 4 HQs on the table. What detachment is he running? No way it could be brigade.

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>>53841991

>>53842004
What detachment? Battalion?

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>>53842015

I'm 90% sure there aren't any unless they're in an appendix.

Unless you count this little blurb I guess.

>>53841992
>he thinks the conscript guys are the 1d4channers, not the total opposite

How many orders can an IG player issue?

>>53842044
This stratagem is horseshit from a game design perspective, it forces you to make every attack with every affected model 1 at a time.

>>53841445
What's your army and why can't it take a sniper?

Seriously, all armies should have a sniper or sniper-like weapon at this point. Even the Orks should have a unit of gretchin doing the night-goblins-in-space schtick.

>>53841976
>▶
Can you post the Sicaran as well?

>>53842044

So index Xenos will have Macro weapons too on I imagine the Eldar and Tau titans

>>53842058
SEE >>53842038

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>>53842030
Just crunched it in the list builder. Seems like a decent army.

>>53841976
thanks that's pretty awesome, although I notice that there's no auto-cannon options which is a bit confusing

>>53842038
Fuck you, I dog ear proudly.

>>53842058
One for each Platoon Commander
One for each Tank Commander
Two for each Company Commander
Two for Tank Commander Pask
Three for Creed

Alternatively, only one order is allowed on each unit. So if you only brought Tank Commander Pask and a Tank Commander to a battle, then Pask would order his own and the TC's tank while the TC's orders would be wasted.

I know for the most part the Primaris stuff we've seen so far has been pretty lackluster but I think the Hellblasters could be pretty good. But that might be my inexperience talking.

>>53840349

I've been using a 4 Wave Serpent/2 plane CWE list to a great deal of success against hordes as of late.

Anyone with iPad pre-order experience - roughly what time do the downloads usually go live?

>>53841976
24 HB shots
Holy mother of Dakka
How about the Xyphon?

>>53841939
DE can handle hordes better than alot of armies. For a bs3+, ws3+ (that will be 2+ in late game) and ld8 army they still get to bring alot of models. They have lots of stuff with <fly> and lots of stuff with invul saves.

Just off the top of my head:
>Throw a 100pts of Wyches into a hoarde unit and watch it degrade over 3 turns
>Focus down hoardes with venoms, and if charged fall back and keep shooting. Remeber if shooting orks will be rolling 6+ to hit with flickerfield, 5+ to wound then you have a 4+/5++ save
>Razorwing fighter with its newly buffed missiles and splinter cannon
>After turn 3 every dark eldar model is a close combat specialist hitting on 2+ with reroll to charge and top line movement stats, so if all else failed you can just charge everything

>>53842093
Fuck, I know what I'm doing now. They seem really good.

Someone that actually plays marines enlighten me: how much do I NOT want tactical marines in melee? I can't shake the mentality that they're units that even though they can't dish out as much hurt in melee as shooting, they can still cave some skulls in if they need to.

>>53841939
oh. In that case depends a bit upon the hoard and what you're doing.

DEldar are decent against ork hoards to start imho. You've got lots of massable guns, and you're fast enough you can stretch out the army.
Give them a few small units that they have to use their first charge on.

Move your fast guys to the back, hit the back fo daisy chains. Shoot HQs if they spread out too much.

Conscripts. Fly around to the side and hit the tanks. Venoms being -1 to hit makes up for them being T5. 6+ to hit 5+ to wound is the same. 4+ save is a bit worse, but a full FRFSRF should kill one venom per turn at 12" range. IE after you've gotten close enough to get one turn of shooting off.
24" range it takes too blobs.
So kill the big guns.

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>>53842189

Has seen me in pretty good steed against most lists I've played.

>>53842199

they are. the troupes make up their points with 1 turn of shooting and melee easily and rising crescendo is degeneracy.

>>53842105
You're a mongrel. Just remember your page number like a functional human being.

>>53842221
Now that they can move from their vehicle immediately, advance, shoot then charge really seems overpowered.

>>53842215
Sweet army, how to wracks preform now that theyre effectively t5?

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Points 1/4

Pending requests: Xiphon and Sicarian.

>>53842252

They've been really solid for me - I usually use them to sweep other targets that the venoms have laid in to. Also I think a lot of people have not looked at the Haemonculus stat line - he will beat your face in.

>>53841543
There is a reason the lore has a Karamazov in it. It's pretty much a givaway my dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om6HcUUa8DI

>>53842093

i don't know how it affects detachments but dropping the death jester and solitaire for 2 voidweavers with prismatic cannons seems like more bang for your buck.

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2/4

>>53842272
My Xiphon's guns are going to cost a fortune...
Or it's now a flying lascannon at that price

>>53842272
Sicaran Punisher Please. It's the only new model in the book.

>>53841254
I suspect the Gryphonne pattern Chimera is the one with the autogun turret

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The Digital servers are breaking down, my copy took like 10 minutes to download.

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>>53842297

3/4

>>53842272
Caestus Assault Ram please. Clearly the superior choice.

Does anyone know if you can deploy units inside a transport that aren't using it as a dedicated transport? IE starting the game with your HQ in a transport, transports that can't be dedicated transports.

>>53842272
Can I request the Sokar Pattern Stormbird? I want to know how they're doing Void Shields, among other things.

>>53842105
I bet you don't use bookmarks OR coasters!

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>>53842317

4/4

>>53842304

I'd count that as part of the Sicarian posting anyhow desu, but sure.

>>53842316

Thanks for joining the party.

>>53842316
nice, keep it coming fellow chaosfag

>>53842352
Represor rules? :O That seems pretty cheap in points

>>53842246
>>53842221
They seem really cool but as a faction they are so limited. Plus hard to paint.

A shame.

>>53839521
bump

>>53842352
what epub reader are you using mines garbage.

Also the falchion is pure murder. 817 points of pure WK killing goodness

>>53842316
>70 Wounds
>S30 Volcano Cannon
Be still my beating heart.

>>53842334

100%, you may select any unit that can legally be in that transport to be deployed in that transports.

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So I heard this was a horde edition?

>>53842383
>12 damage
>6shots
70 fucking damage and the hardest part is rolling that first 6

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We in business gentlemen

>>53842362

you can spice them up with any aeldari unit as a detachment, but i know what you mean.

>>53842396
Talk to us when you've spent the money for those models.

>>53842215
so do you pull the trick of having all the transports be coven to give them +1T when the haemonculus is out.
And if so, did it do anything?

where are the free core rules they promised?

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Sisters Repressor first because sisters deserve nice things.

>>53842423
Oh, you don't play for free?

>>53842213
The only reasons you'd want tacticals in melee would be to tie up one of your opponents shootier squads. They're toothless in close combat.

>>53842317
Nice to see the Badab crew made it in

>>53842383
>Kills 2.21 Fulgurites sans Siphoned Vigour, 1.10 without.

I see they've done what I thought they would with Titan weapons, very little splash on most of these. Frankly, I'm surprised half of them don't just drop a big bowl of Mortal Wounds on everything.

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Xiphon.

>>53842424

I've done it, it rarely matters because he is only out only so often. Honestly there is no downside so I just do it.

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Caestus.

>>53842428
>6 models can shoot
>5 flamers can hide inside a repressor and still fire
>can move 12+d6 and still fire 6D6 attacks.

>>53842038
>opening that wide.
STAPH

>>53842443
Carab Culln and Sevrin Loth plz, or all the characters

>>53842428

Boy howdy, IT WOULD. BE NICE IF WE COULD PURCHASE THIS FINE MACHINE

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Sokar

>>53842443
Thanks anon
210pts, still the same I'm happy with that

>>53842215
>6 extra points
Take shock prows on the vehicles.
They cost 1 pt. Give the Raiders a S6 attack each turn, which at 4+ WS doesn't suck.

Weren't the core rules supposed to be free? Wasn't that like the big thing for newbies in 8th?

How good are big gunz or mek gunz now? Worth taking a bunch?

>>53842458
F5 LIKE A MOFO! Plz redeem this edition

>>53842467
The fuck? It's so big that it is harder to hit?

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I'm going to play my first game of 8th next Monday.

I'm a fan of Nidzilla, other options I have are 20 termagants, 10 gargoyles and 6 ripper swarms.

Does this seem decent?

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Sicarian 1/3 because apparently they couldn't just make it wargear options for a single unit.

>>53842472

Good idea - I'll do that. Thank you.

>>53842474

The core rules will be free for download tomorrow. To be clear that does not include the rules for matched play, specific armies, etc.

>>53842501
So only power levels and no points?

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>>53842495

Sicarian 2/3.

>>53842453
Glorious! Who needs AA when you can just ram shit out of the sky.

>>53842495
holy shit i want one now

>>53842297
PLEASE POST ANY AND/OR ALL TYRANTS LEGION INFO I'M ACTUALLY DYING HERE FOR MY ARMY TO HAVE UP TO DATE RULES.

>>53842428
That shit is insane. It's a rhino that costs 89pts (instead of like 75) with 2 more wounds AND fire ports?

Fuck, Harlequins really are awesome this edition. Easily one of the fastest armies in the game.

>>53842074
>Even the Orks should have a unit of gretchin doing the night-goblins-in-space schtick.
What? The fuck are you talking about? Gretchin do nothing.

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>>53842511

Sicarian BRRRRTTTTTT

>>53842428
Yeah, my Wu-Tang primaris hellblasters are going to like shooting out of this one.

>>53842509

Won't even have power levels. It is literally only the rules to play the game.

>>53842517

Literally just characters my man. If you tell me their names I can screenshot them though.

>>53842548
They cant get in it

>>53842120
Hellblasters within range of an aura that lets them re-roll 1s are very good. That's about it for good Primaris stuff though.

>>53842551
Thanks a lot friend, was really confused for a while, especially now that my preorder wont be here for 3 days...

>>53842557
Come on do Red scorpions Carab Culln and loth

Every single epub reader I try has jacked up text all over the place. Whats a good one. I've tried 5 thus far.

>>53842558
Anon, if he's already cheating...what makes you think they aren't going to just cheat more?

>>53842557
Daddy Huron, Carnac and Corien pls my good lad if it's no trouble.

>>53842408
Post fluff nigger

>>53842572
Oh...is Wu -Tang a meme I've missed?

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Edward "Crabby Crabs" Culln, and Huron from back in the old days.

>>53842511
good god it's actually a good tank killer now.
This bargain basement stug is now solid

>>53839695
No this is what having bad taste feels like

>>53839695
The filename killed me.

>>53842569
if you are in a PC, readium (chrome app)

>>53842557
Please I need my Star Prantoms rule that lets me use devestators as Elites so I can run 9 in my list

>>53842587
Wow, no chapter tactics, i Kinda expected them. Fucking 8th ed

>>53842557
The INQ lords would be appreciated.

>>53842467
>No Orbital Strike
>Gimped missiles
>Void Shields now only a 4++ that also works on Mortals
>Only 38pts cheaper

Aww, but that was the only SHF that was actually DECENT. At least I can make my Skitarii feel super buff as they headbutt Deathstrikes out of the air.

>>53842619
That's because it is Index: Imperial Armour.
Codex: Imperial Armour will be up for sale in a few months.

Anytime you wonder how people could be stupid enough to make the Imperium act so nuts...

https://military.id.me/news/idiots-ruin-18-million-year-old-american-treasure/?utm_source=SOV&utm_medium=post&utm_term=kevin&utm_content=061617

>>53842587
Requesting relic Deredeo, relic Leviathan, relic Spartan, and venerable Chaplain.
You're my hero dude.

>>53842491
No. It's so high that it's hard to hit. It's like an AC130 Gunship: huge, but beyond the reach of most weaponry.

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>>53842596
>muhreenfag telling others they have bad taste
How's it feel to be the warhammer faction fan equivalent of people who watch Kim Kardashian's cancerous reality show?

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Astral Claws Characters.

>>53842611

The only Star Phantom in the book is an extremely generic chapter master who's only unique gimmick I can see is his power fist does a fixed 3 damage.

>>53842561
Figured as much. I wonder why they made Inceptors so expensive. They and the Intercessors are basically really expensive anti-infantry units, and Marines don't really need more of that.

>>53842619

Chapter Tactics come back with the Codex. They're not in the Indexes.

>>53842637
fug. if i watch this i'm just going to get angry

>>53842637
But that stupid rock broke their buddies leg. They're heroes

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More Astral Claws, plus some Minotaur guy.

>>53842643

Oh you'd better fucking believe I'm gonna post Dreadnoughts when I get past other people's requests, they're the main reason I bought this ebook.

>>53842658
Could you perhaps post the Grey Knight units (Vortimer Land Raider, Vortimer Razorback and Doomglaive Dread)?

>>53842117
Oh, Tank Commanders and Pask can order their own tanks? I was thinking that orders fixed most of plasma's problems. Add the Techpriest from the bundle and you're set.

>>53842686
Could you post Lias and Vaylund Cal

>>53842663
Do we know anything about when we Will have the codexes? Codices?

>>53842557

Tyberos the Red Wale rules would be cool to see, hopefully he is still a monster in combat,

>>53842690
Pask can order generic Tank Commanders, not sure about himself. Tank Commanders cannot order themselves.

>>53842352
Anything to do with space sharks please sir.

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And the other Scorpions character. Severus Snape.

I'm gonna go take a leak and put my rabbit to bed, back in 5-10.

>>53842693

No info. I think GW said they want at least some Codices to come out ASAP, but no concrete information.

>>53842686
Please Can you post Sevrin Loth? I Bet They fucking killer him

>>53842693
No idea for Forge World, they are notoriously unreliable.

GW Codexes will start coming out within a month or less.

>>53842693

A few months are rumored. I think it's a definitive release before Christmas, when Chapter Approved is revived through some unholy means.

>>53842707
Wow rip Loth, Worse than a random termi librarian

Do Tyberos, the Hands of Fate.

>>53842729
>At least one Codex will be out before Christmas
And in other news, water is still wet.

>>53842745

Good, I was getting scared for a second there that it might have stopped. It's one of the signs.

>>53841939
Might be worth trying out Razorwing Flocks, 8 attacks each for 7 points a model is pretty crazy even if those attacks are pretty shitty.

>>53842698
>Tyberos the Red Whale
Kek. Of his lightning chainclaws Hunger & Slake, he appears to have lost the later.

>>53842737
>gets to deny 3 times
>worse than termi librarian

>>53842759
Yeah, I'm coming around to them. They've also got 4 wounds per model, which is similarly crazy.

>>53842765
Without being able to cast once for every psyker it's Pretty useless

>>53842495
>sicaran gets 2 more shots for no reason
>LR exterminator loses twin linking and gets nothing for it

could GW suck SM cock any harder

>>53842213

Honestly depends on what they're in Melee with. I don't really have a keen grip on shooting, and just how things will start playing out tomorrow, but average unit to average unit, they'll do alright. With power weapons still allowing some sort of save now, they may even be a little better than before, against a more dedicated CC unit. They're a flexible unit, able to more or less handle whatever phase you're trying to make them do well in. Jack of all trades, master of none. They'll get outshot by specialized shooters, and out stabbed by combat designed units. But they'll bring down a fair amount of the other guys with them.

>>53842788
What are you even talking about?

>>53842792
>sicaran gets 2 more shots for no reason
It was twin linked before. Lucky you it's not heavy 12

>>53842792
Exterminators were one of those double dipping weapons.

Does anyone else feel like 8th is more static?

I see vehicles mainly just sitting stationary the entire game because of losing BS when moving. The only time I see movement is when stuff deep strikes.

>>53842841
Maybe with the shitty armies you play.

Tyranids are fucking FLYING around the board.

>>53842841
>He plays without objectives.

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Haven't played 40k in years and thinking about coming back, how should i proceed to build my list?

i last played in 4th and i don't have any of the new fancy monsters and infantry and looking to figure out which ones are worth buying.

>>53842707
To all the players that brought this guy to spam invisibility:

GET FUCKED

>>53842841
>His armies basic infantry can't make 34" charges
Lmao

>>53842860
>Objectives happen on the last turn

Listen a bit to a good autistic idea: An army made only of characters.

You Force the enemy to shoot only the nearest one, and you can divide fire and spam only retarded good characters, like marine ones and the various assassins. Eversor for 70 point is nuts, deals around 4 meq Wounds charging, has a 3++ invulnerabilità in cover, and also Goes full ISIS when dying. Or Vindicare removes a Character every 2 turns, and if he charges he still has a pistol, a BS debuff and improved cover. Add GK librarian with 2++ in melee, cheesy Wolf priest/special characters with deepstrike, you can destroy almost every things and never die. Placing a Culexus near units is like casting permanent invisibility

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>>53842867
shit forgot my list

>>53842849
>Flyrants are going to move
Hmm, no kidding. Meanwhile, I'm thinking of Balistarii as guns with legs...that they use to get in position and park there forever. Who cares Cognis lascanons can advance and shoot at shit BS when they're already 48" range?

>>53842849
Lmao, not as fast as harlequins

>>53842868
I use him full biomancy for fun :(

>>53839590
That's not Fallen at all you retard. You're just playing loyalist DA and stamping the name Fallen on them.

>>53842880
They'll just maneuver to put different guys closer, and sit blobs on objectives. Smite will piss all over you.

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>>53842812
Sure, fine. Why does it get more shots and the Exterminator doesn't?
>>53842837
>Exterminators were one of those double dipping weapons.
Yeah, and now they cost more, do less, and got buttfucked almost as bad as the Vanquisher. For what reason? They didn't exactly have a reputation for assraping everything in range like the Wyvern.

>>53842880
Everyone already had this idea.

Do it with Tau suit commanders and drones.

EVERYTHING you outlined, but better, instead of your shitty idea.

>>53842890
>he thinks I'm talking about Flyrants
That's not how this army plays anymore son.

>>53842868

99% of people who buy that character do it for the model because it's the only helmeted librarian that's not a shitty 20 year old OOP metal one.

Largely back, pouring myself a tea.

Requests list as I remember it:

-Inquisitor Characters
-The Spartan (Low priority on this one, it already got previewed on Warhammer Community this week)
-Dreadnoughts
-Tyberos

Tell me if I'm missing anything.

Also chaos book guy: I know you're not doing leak requests like I am, but if you could post the scout Titan that'd be amazing, I'd love to see since Knight scale models are fair for casual games if Scout Titans are too or if they went and overdid them.

Im feeling tau for top tier this edition

>>53842925
>so casual

>>53842439
>2.21 Fulgrites sans
>1.10 withous
Sans means without, you silly goose

>>53842912
>Yeah, and now they cost more, do less, and got buttfucked almost as bad as the Vanquisher. For what reason?
Because everyone took them last edition and GW wants you to buy new tank models.

Do we know the stats of Eldar Shadow Spectres yet?

You marine boys are lucky you have someone buying and sharing the book bit by bit.
I hope xenos is as lucky when it is time.

PROVE ME WRONG;

>re-roll 1's, the game.

>>53842929
You missed this:
>>53842687

>>53842929
My boy Zhrukal Androcles please

>>53842929
Lias Issadon was mentioned too (I may have a personal interest in him too...)

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>>53842931
laughinggenestealersluts.jpg

>>53842929
Could we get a peek at the Deimos Laser Destroyer?