Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

I like Raven Guard.

>>53831971
They are pretty awesome.
Little sad 8th came acound.
Guy just offered 50 scouts and 2 ls storms for next to nothing.
Would have worked perfect.

Did anyone already mathhammered the most effective Leman Russ variants?

I'd say Pask Punisher with 3 HBs is a ridiculous amount of dakka hitting on 2+.

HQ LR with Exterminator seems good for the 3+ BS.

And the usual Leman Russ hitting on 4s should go vanilla with a Heavy Flamer. Thoughts on this?

I just compared the Chimera to the Taurox/Prime.

What the fuck, why should you ever take a Chimera over a Taurox now?

Did the other thread get nuked?

PLASTIC SISTERS WHEN

>>53832235
Well, higher transport capacity if you want to have a squad of vets followed around by an officer or something.

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Gee Exarch, how come Asurmen lets you have two catapults?

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>>53832306
Absolutely, smells like justice

>>53832306
Retconned like Ollanious Pious

>>53832306
Life-Eater Virus
It was the only way to be sure

>>53832306
I was JUST reading through it and all the images 404'd out. Refreshed the page. 404'd. It was 202 posts in when I opened it in a tab. Less than 2 minutes between opening it and refreshing it.

The hell even happened?

>>53832316
What happened to get it nuked?

>>53832235

Because it looks a million times better than the mystery machine on caterpillar treads.

>>53832324
Probably the OP image

Top kek they nuked the last thread.

Anyway, I was in the midst of responding to a guy who asked if anyone even bothered with narrative play.

>>53832276
Speaking as someone who does both tournament and narrative play, narrative is fucking great, it's just not something you do for pick-up games ever. If you want the full experience, you have to have someone basically take charge of organizing a whole campaign, get a sign-up sheet, draw up maps and shit, take army list applications - it's kind of like working with a DM in an RPG. If you get a good one, it's the best 40k experience ever, it's literally what the game was intended for all along and it shines at it. It's a lot of work though.

>>53832013
Punisher>Demolisher(though double the points)>Battle Cannon>crap. Battle Cannon makes an okay choice due to the range. Executioner is good if you've got re-rolls from Harker/Commander.

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Mfw saw old thread on catalog, clicked it and it was 404d

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>>53832311

NO SKINS

>>53832333
That does sound fun though.

Do Tau crisis suit lists still look viable?

I still plan on doing my Principality of Zion army.

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>>53832336
>>53832324
it was shit, you didn't miss anything
Shitty OP image with some attention whoring idiot, and 80% of the posts were "dis gurl a trap" and "u ffaggot homo u never seen girls"
rinse and repeat until deleted

>>53832323
When I made this thread the other one was literally 100% >tfw no trap gf shitposts.

>>53832307

I'd assume pretty soon. Signs have been there for a good while.

>>53832342
Yes. They work.

>>53832338
I built one of these guys with two guns like a fucking idiot as a kid, but turns out it was valid all along
Good going, kid me

Enough posting about old threads.

So how about Death Guard terminators, when will we get them?

>>53832355

What do people recommend? 3 units of 3 in a vanguard detachment?

Is there anything other than virulent blessing in chaos that gives +1 to wound rolls?

>>53832357
>>53832338
The 2x gun alwas seemed stupid to me, surely in the thousads of years of the aspect must have made a twinkinked catapult that fitt in a single casing.

>>53832362
Probably next month or after release this month, since they have the models ready and everything
Before the campaign, at least

>>53832362
Why do you think they are coming?

>>53832362
Soon i hope.
My DG army was strupped bare by the index.
Itlslike.. typhus, 21 marines and 40 zombies.

>>53832373
They were shown in the Death Guard teaser video a while back

>>53832373
We've straight up seen them direct from GW.

>>53832339
It totally is. I feel like over the years people have forgotten that's what 40k is supposed to be in all the WAAC tournament culture that sprung up to replace it, but I don't disparage those guys that like competitive play either, I honestly enjoy both (although 7th edition was fucking cancer).

I'm probably going to homebrew up a local campaign following along the narrative of the new GW global campaign thing happening, since my area only has a 3rd party LGS, not a GW store. If I actually get around to doing it, I'll post up the PDF with all the stuff necessary if someone else wanted to take it and run their own.

>>53832369

Two catapult exarch is the Rambo of the Eldar.

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>>53832373
GW reveal.

>>53832364
Grey Knights psychic power Hammerhand gives +1 to wound in close combat.

With the new To Wound table having +1 or -1 to wound is actually different to having one more or less point of strength. And it's quite powerfull.

>>53832369
>a twinkinked catapult that fitt in a single casing.

No that would probably attract Slaanesh in some way.

>>53832373
Death Guard fluff has mention that they make extensive use of terminators, yet in the index they can't take any.

T Sons can't take generic terminators either but they have their own Scarab Occult in return

At this point I just want 8th released so we can starting moving towards actual codex releases.

>>53832306
>last thread was SO SHIT it got deleted
HAHAHAHAHAHAHSS
IS THIS A NEW LOW FOR /40kg/?!

Can anyone recommend which paints to use for "the tainted" warbands scheme? I don't want to just do death guard it sounds cool to paint their split offs.

>>53832396
It comes out tomorrow, have a little patience.

>>53832363
I'd probably start there yeah.

>>53832401
Been playing it for two weeks now with the leaks.

>>53832391

Looks like a conversion, I've seen a lot of truescale marines and that head is clearly from the Centurions kit. Same Mohawk and service stud.

>>53832396
Just got notice my stuff arrived today.
So busy weekend ahead.
And then its back to waiting for FWs Xeno book.

>>53832398
Shit even the original GSCG thread wasn't deleted the mod just nuked all the posts.

Even the fucking mega autism tantrum from that slaanesh furry discord cuck getting doxxed yesterday wasn't deleted.

>>53832398
Not the first time, won't be the last.

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>>53832408

>>53832408
Im sure there a "40k funies" thread for repeating your garbage in.

>>53832411
That one at least had a full third relevant posts.
Todays was literally all shit and/or metashit

>>53832409
The Xeno book goes up for pre-order today it seems. So not too much more waiting.

I hope that everyone in the previous thread got banned

>>53832426
Are we spiralling into worse and worse shitposting lately? What is even causing it?

>>53832427
Sure there is.
Then comes waiting for release date, and then wait for delivery, THEN I'll be able to tart real work.

>>53832408
Are you retarded, Anon

Typhus is getting a new model, it will be more holey and fleshy than his current one.

>>53832324
Inquisition showed up and mind wiped everyone who saw it. It's for the best anon.
I'm taking bets on first codex to be released. My guess is blood angels. Their sculpts are ancient and don't fit on the table anymore and the recent lore has almost the entire chapter conveniently dead when first among equals Robbie G shows up with primaris tech. It makes too much sense.

>>53832434
I blame /pol/

>inb4 the /pol/fag gets triggered and calls me a libcuck for wanting to keep non40k related shitposting out of the 40k threads

>>53832434
not much to talk about: untill 8th actualkl drops, and the ,meta begins to form, all there is is shitposting

>>53832235
Twin h.flamers is pretty much the only reason.

>>53832411
Tell me someone saved those threads. I wasn't here for them.

>>53832452
You notice that the majority of the time that the thread is derailed by anything related to /pol/, it's because of people that are whining about /pol/?

>>53832443
He's memeing, making fun of the faggots who thought the early Primaris leaks were fake. I think it's a pasta.

>>53832452
pff, check out THIS libcuck
>>53832456
Autism. Autisam as far as the eye cpuld see

>>53832447
Hopefully, but you got a source?

>>53832443

He's referencing what everyone was saying about the primaris liutenant leak.

Hell, I even saw a local GW employee leaning intently over a phone listing parts it was clearly converted from to an uncomfortable customer who clearly just wanted his phone back.

>>53832434
Traps, bait, trolls and virgins.

>>53832472
>trolls and virgins
a 40k version of dungons and dragons?

>>53832452
>Everyone I don't like is /pol/

Just as bad as /pol/ you cunt

>>53832411
The mods lately have been killing threads outright, rather than trying to prune the idiocy.

>>53832461
>>53832471
oh yeah I'd already forgotten about that

>>53832438
And then do it all over again when the codices release.

>>53832456
I goddamn hope so, the second one I mentioned was so funny I had actual tears.

Cheetah anon RAN OUT OF CHEETAHS and was begging for mercy because he was in fatal kek hysterics. It was contagious.

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What are good anti-armor options for Necrons now ?

I played a game against my buddie's grey knights, the fucker fields two land raiders and I couldn't destroy even one with what I had. T8 2+ is such a bitch to get through.

So, any good options ?

>>53832459
>like clockwork

>>53832490
Heavy destroyers and stalker with Twin heavy cannons: shoot the stalker first and re-roll ones for the H. Destroyers

>>53832490
Just roll 6s with your warriors.

Gauss OP

>>53832508
Read the army rules before posting

>>53832513
Maybe I was just pee pee posting?

>>53832490
Heavy gauss cannons. Heavy Destroyers sporting them are a good choice. If you can wiggle in +1 to hit and destroyer lord one HGC will put 2,2 wounds to land raider. Without them it will cause 1,3 wounds.

Land raiders are tough nuts to crack so they will soak up lots of fire before going under. Pretty much no way around it as Necrons.

>>53831971
I like turtles

Note this thread is nearing a 50% meta ratio and as such risk pruning.

>>53832516
Then epik KYS my famalam XD

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I'm already pissing off so many people by running 8th edition as RAW rather than with 7th edition rules. All my tanks fire all their weapons from their mighty treads and gain cover bonuses as a result it's glorious.

You can even layer tanks so they each give one another cover and fire from their treads.

Also hilariously I can shoot the devastator squad infront of me with say my autocannon and shoot the heavy bolters directly behind me at my opponents deep striking unit .

I haven't even started abusing conga line troops yet...

But keep telling yourself this edition is great.

>>53832524
Jokes on you, revealing I was pee pee posting was bait too.

Just as planned.

>>53832507
I like the stalker but aren't H-destroyers too expensive ? 75pts a piece for a single shot feels not worth it.

>>53832508
You are not being funny

>>53832490
Nothing is "good" at it per se. It's their main weakness as a faction.

>>53832526
Don't you need to be wholy within the terrain piece AND 50% obscured to get the cover bonus?

>>53832490
More warriors, 432 will bring down a LR from long range.

>>53832545
Yes, he's retarded.

>>53832541
That and being slow as fuck

Can anyone help me find some art.

I remember seeing some (fan) art of a tyranid done up as a saint posted on /tg/ in the past. I can't for the life of me find it and I wanted to use it for my genestealer cult army's banner.

anyone have it and can post it please?

>>53832533
Its 75 points for a T5 3 wound 3+,move and shoot lascannon, with AP-4 and a M of 14, which can get back up if you kill them. Anything else would be silly

aaaaaaand i just noticed that they already re-roll ones to hit. They are pretty bananas

>>53832526
Things are calculated from the weapon being used RAW bruh. Read your rule book again.

>>53832545
Which the predator is.

Even if it isn't most of those devastators still can't draw LOS to see it (unless they conga formation) not to mention the rest of my opponents army.

>>53832526
Have fun making friends and finding opponents to have fun playing games with if you're going to be that big of an autistic faggot

>possessed still shit

All I needed to know about this edition. Guess I have to start playing HH if I want to field kick ass possessed / Gal Vorbak

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>>53832556
?

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>>53832559

Nope. You have to be in RANGE of the weapon being used , which it is and you draw line of sight from the MODEL. There's no difference between units anymore, a land raider, a dreadnought, a riptide a space marine and a grot all work exactly the same way for determining shooting.

Since in this scenario I can see from the model to the other model I can shoot it with all my models weapons in range by RAW. Don't like it? Play 7th.

>>53832583
Alright lads, my store is doing a special 20 power game tommrow for 8th, how does this lsit look?
10 hybrids,2 mining lasers, 5
Patriarch 7
10 Genestealers, ST 8

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do you guys like my ork warboss :)

>>53832558
Yhea I guess you are right.

So, a squadron of 5 backed with a stalker seems enough ?
I also like the Doom Scythe put its cost is ridiculous.

>>53832596
See
>>53832573

>>53832573
So why am I the dick for following the rules of the game as written? It's up to the rules designers to design a game that isn't shit.

The only reason I'd draw line of sight from the weapons on the tank itself is if I was playing things by 7th edition rules or became so used to that that's how I did it. But by RAW in 8th edition you can shoot from the tread.

You can do it the old way if you want, but remember it's a house rule, and remember that by doing so you're tacitly acknowledging the superiority of 7th edition rules and a more complex rules set in general .

>>53832608

The idea's fun but he needs some more gubbinz.

>>53832564
Unless your terrain piece expands out >4" from the LOS blocking portion you are clearly not wholly in the terrain.

>>53832608
This is just a really bad photoshop right? RIGHT?

>>53832558

Can reroll on wounds two if you form a destroyer block around their Lord.

>>53832583
thats a good one thanks but not the one I meant.

the one i was talkibg about was like a warrior looking beast with a cestine style halo.

>>53832596
>Don't like it? Play 7th.
Even if 8th was garbage I wouldn't come back to 7th. It was utter shit.

>>53832608
>looted primarch

>>53832596
You draw line of sight from behind the model. Therefore you cannot shoot at targets behind you.

>>53832618
>So why am I the dick for following the rules of the game as written?

Its pretty obvious that explaining this to you would be a wasted effort

Okay, so just to be sure; It's midday the day before the new edition release and nobody has their forge world indexes yet?

Bloody hell. What time do the ebooks release? Is it midnight?

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>when you charge with 120 str 4 ap-2 attacks for 340points

>>53832526
I don't really mind this. It's just an amstraction you can think of as a tank waiting in an ambush position.

>>53832573
Monstrous Creatures have always worked this way. GW is just normalizing the behavior to cover vehicles too. There's nothing particularly cheesy going on.

Unless you're way spread out for some reason, the out of LOS guys can usually just walk and fire at -1 BS. Or alternatively they split fire at some other target.

>>53832618
Finding flaws in a system and abusing them is legal, you're right about this. It is, however, a dick move, and will always be, no matter the system.
People won't play you, not because you're a cheater, jut because you're a failure of a human being.

>>53832648
forgeworld stuff always "leaks" after release date. it doesn't get sent out ahead of time.

>>53832618
Why bother with expensive models if you canplay with cardboard boxes? :^)

>>53832650
holy fuck and here i thought boyz were bad.

>>53832611
Forget the stalker, the stalker buff dosent effect them, so grab a lord instead, then you cna re-roll hits and wounds of a 1

>>53832648
Midnight UK time for digital releases.

>>53832526
You aren't getting cover because your predator isn't fully within terrain, its just behind it.

>>53832650
You won't have that many attacks since a lot of your cultists will be dead before reaching CC.

>>53832650

Each 10 man squad dies to overwatch fire from conscripts.

>>53832650
>2 plasma guns on the tac-squads
that list is illegal

>>53832642
Pull your pants up higher.
Your autism is showing.

>>53832650
>>53832693
>>53832695
To add. If you're going to spend that much on DCA, go ahead and buy them a Rhino for transport and to soak overwatch.

>>53832650
>120 str 4 ap-2 attacks for 340points
I count 80

>>53832650
>20 t3 1w 5++
who can't deal with this?

>>53832685
You can homebrew rules for terrain to give cover to units behind it, or however you want it. The core book even explicitly states this.

Dark Angels, Ravenwing and Deathwing only or do you use all three wings ?

>>53832716
>makes RAW argument
>gets beat by RAWer RAW
>autist whines about autism
Wew

>>53832718

>go ahead and buy them a Rhino for transport and to soak overwatch.

I still haven't gotten over how this stupid shit is an actual thing now in 8th

>>53832727
So, rules as written, plus some bollocks we made up earlier, because we don't like the rules as written.
>if you don't like our 9.5th ed, go back and play 8th @flgs

>>53832737
Except there are no defined facings on models. "Behind" could be anywhere on the model.

>>53832727
True, but in that guy's post he explicitly says that he is running the game RAW. So RAW, he doesn't get cover.

>>53832733
Dreadwing is pretty rad.

>>53832733
Ravenwing + Deathwing is the best way to go

Enjoy zipping halfway across the board in turn 1 with your bikes while your deathwing terminators teleport in right after to mow down everyone else.

>>53832727
and of course, this homebrew'd terrain piece will be meta and in all tournaments. :^)

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Y'all nigs haven't downloaded the previews?

>>53832745
If you can't figure out which part of a model is facing front and which part is facing behind you're too retarded to be playing this game.

>>53832741
It's sweet and thematic for Orks and DE.

>>53832746
That depends, if it's a big ass rock with a base on it he's "inside the terrain piece" if he's within the base.

>>53832719
Zealot ability allows one squad to attack again

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>>53832755

This fucker's infinitely better than the normal vindicator, so get your spare lascannon bits out and get hacking those Demolisher cannons out and converting fuckos.

>>53832737
Where in the rules is facings mentioned?
Something over there, and something over here, I look from behind the thing over here towards the thing over there.
That's how the behind works.
>no no you're the autistic one. Because your brain does into english.

>>53832758
And yet here we are without any defined facings in an edition where something is either explicitly stated or it is not taken into account.

If I turn my turret backwards can I not see things behind me?

>>53832618
Reading the rules with maximum surly autist goggles on relects more on the playerbase than the game

>>53832758
So I assume you're only shooting units directly infront of you with your infantry models then and if a unit is to the side or behind you rule it can't see.

>>53832758
Where in the rules, as they are written, is any mention of facing made?

>>53832761
Yeah, I mean, there is nothing like that in the picture that was posted.

>>53832741
>tank shock is stupid
what edition will you come back to?

>>53832783
Yes exactly.

>>53832770

We can't say that until we see how much it costs.

>>53832760

I wouldn't mind it if they just made it so certain transports can basically tank shock into the enemy, then disembark their passengers right into the enemy formation.
Being able to use rhinos to soak up overwatch fire is really gay.

I really don't think they playtested 8th as much as they claim.

>>53832741
OH NO YOU CAN RUN OVER TROOPS WITH AN ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER AND TROOPS WHO ARE BEING RUN OVER CANNOT CONCENTRATE ON FIRING AT OTHER GUYS WHO ARE RUNNING UP

ITS SO UNREALISTIC AND STUUUUUUUUUUUPID

SOMEONE FUCKING SAVE THIS POOR LITTLE BITCH FROM THE INJUSTICE OF 8TH EDITION

>>53832790
It's also a quick ms paint job. Granted he might be a huge cunt but what he's doing is technically legal under the new rules, even if it isn't legal in this situation.

>>53832770
Heavy d3 S10 Ap-4 D d6

Heavy 2 S9 Ap-3 D3
Heavy 2 S10 Ap-5 D6, 3 wounds on a one

It's only really the shooting twice that puts it above, provided it's points value isn't too much higher.

>>53832770
>>53832755
Wait, do we have Forge World index leaks now?

>>53832685
That isn't how vehicle cover works

>>53832807
Read read the rues man. the damage values are 3 and 6 not d3 and d6

>>53832795
Infantry can't turn their necks apparently.

>>53832799
I disagree. although that way perhaps has "feels more realistic", the approach they took makes sense specifically because it's easier to balance and has far fewer rules issues.

>>53832608
>buy £55 model
>shave off all detail
>tack on ork bitz
>don't bother fixing pose
>literally just looks like guilliman smeared with cum and dragged through an ork player's bitz box
>AoS warboss head screaming into the heavens in protest against your slapping two models together to make a single, shittier model
>post on reddit because le funneh joek
>???
>KARMA

>>53832821
...that's why I said D3 not D d3

>>53832803
calm down spergatron

>>53832791
>tank shock is stupid
Tank shock didn't prevent overwatch.

>what edition will you come back to?
Tank shock has been a thing since at least 3rd edition in 1998.

>>53832702
Oh it is too, my bad.

>>53832804
I'm not saying he's a cunt. I actually like the new cover rules a lot, just trying to make sure people understand them.

>>53832834
yeah...well...shut up!
sorry man, my bad

>>53832308
If you have an officer and the points to afford a chimera just Upgrade the officer to a company commander and "Move, Move, Move" the squad and himself across the board into cover or onto the objective.

>>53832826
>you can hide from shooting by being locked in combat with a drop pod
>not a rules issue

Been wanting to get into Dark Eldar for a while but wanted to wait till 8th came out. Are they atleast decent now?

>>53832839
>someone is making fun of me
>better call them autistic that'll fix 'em
lol u mad?

>>53832817
>If a unit is entirely on or within any terrain feature, add 1 to its models' saving throws to represent the cover received from the terrain (invulnerable saves are unaffected).

That's it, that's all the rules for cover. If the vehicle is not entirely in or on the terrain feature, no cover.

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>>53832813

"You guys haven't downloaded the previews?"

>WHERE ARE U GETTING LEAK DURRRRRR

>>53832369
But then he could just carry two of those

>>53832826

What part of this rules interaction is balanced?

>>53832770
>40ish points extra.
I don't know. Seems comparable.

>>53832817
Yes it is, you must be fully within a terrain feature to receive cover. You don't get cover just from being obscured or behind things.

>>53832854
Yeah, run tons of venoms and scourges and shit

>>53832733
not played an 8th ed with my deathwing yet, but hoping to go pure... not sure effective it'll actually be though

>>53832853
>locked in combat with a drop pod
This is literally not possible. Drop Pods are immobile, have no WS and must deploy more than 9" away from the enemy.

>>53832448
The first two are obviously Deathguard and Primarines

>>53832860
>12 auto cannon shots (7,-1,2)
>12 assult cannon shots(6,-1,1)
>6 HB shots(5,-1,1)
>can do bombing runs
phew lad, thats good, even for 22 power

>>53832883
You charge the drop pod.

>>53832883
Yeah, explain again how that stops the enemy charging the pod next turn and then being immune to gunfire until they either Fall Back or destroy it because the Pod can't Fall Back.

>>53832860
>can snipe with bombs
>a billion 360 shots
This kills the conscript spam

>>53832840
>Tank shock has been a thing since at least 3rd edition in 1998.
That was my point exactly

>>53832895
Don't worry, you'll never see conshits on a real table anyway, they're worthless

>>53832864
Balanced compared to the extremes of either 3rd ed. overcharged rhino rush or 7th ed. "Rhinos are dirt cheap metal bunkers only". They're useful transport in a macro sense, but don't extend threat range themselves.

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>>53832763
Uh?

>>53832889
>>53832892
Ah. Well as the rules explain the friendly forces are too worried about hitting the drop pod. It's a proximity issue. Not an "in combat" issue.

>>53832860
Wait, hellstrike arent one use only.
AHAHA I CAN TAKE 8 AND FIRE THEM EVERY TURN AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>53832903
Rhino's were more of a cardboard box around a unit that meant something had to unpackage them first before removing them from the battle

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That's a really long winded way of saying "Just start Anngrath on the table nerd".

>>53832896

Okay?
So why did you imply I was saying tank shock is stupid, when I was complaining about tanks charging into close combat soaking up overwatch fire in 8th?

>>53832857
>implying im the same guy
wew lad

>>53832929
confirmed for mad as hell :^)

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>>53832922

Any chance of Admech getting their 30k rule allowing most imperial vehicles to be used by them?

>>53832895

>dealing 1 mortal wound to 1 commissar once per battle
o wow, u really showed those conscripts!

>>53832956
Nope, fuck off 30k is dogshit

>>53832934
(You)

>>53832903

3rd edition rhino rush is massively exaggerated

>>53832959
>t. pissy poorfag

>>53832956
Would be nice, but unlikely. You can already bring other Imperial vehicles in the same army anyways, just keep them in separate detachments.

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Last page I have, rules for David Cameron.

>>53832923
I guess I'm biased but I think that rule is a perfectly good counter to the power over overwatch. Particularly shit like flamers. As >>53832803 "said". It's at least a distraction.

>>53832910
Oh my bad, I thought they could use acts of faith.

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>>53832976
Does it come with a long term economic plan?

>>53832970
lol don't get so mad little pecker penis

>>53832895
Wait but if it's maximum 12D6 wounding at 4+ doesn't it mean that it will average 6 mortal wounds per run (which is only once a battle anyway)?

>>53832956
Unlikely. Especially since Inquisition have the rule currently and AdMech don't.

>>53832995
Worse, if as he was suggesting, you use it to snipe, you do an average of half a wound to a character.

Any experience with power points yet /tg/ ? I didn't have time to play recently and my club is still saying goodbye to 7th so I didn't hear any feedback yet. On first look they seem fine as long as you're not playing WAAC and strick WYSIWYG is enforced.

>>53832977

I like how it was previously handled better.
I don't think vehicles needed to be simplified all the way down to being monstrous creatures made of metal and treads.
It seems like a solution to a non-existent problem, and makes the game more bland, imo.
Also, please avoid giving allcaps madposters view in the future, please.
Use @53832803 instead. It's always pretty funny.

>>53832995
>>53832958
Yeah, i only just noticed it can only target one unit with its bombs.
Bugger

>>53833013
Even if you're not being WAAC the balance is going to vary widely unless everyone is maxing out their most expensive upgrades since that seems to be what power levels is "balanced" around.

>>53832976
Why does it double the str on a wound roll, am I missing something?

>>53832986
well he didnt

>>53832986

Digestion Spine: If David Cameron kills one or more infantry models with his grasping talons and thorax maw, he gains a 5++ for the rest of the battle.

>>53832328
This is what conversions are for.

>>53833022
That's a good question, you've already rolled a 6 to wound and instant death isn't a thing anymore so how the fuck does x2 after you've already rolled to wound do anything?

>>53833022

>Wounds t7 on a 2+ but only on a 6+

Forge World.

>>53832758
So if I model eyes all over my Tyranid or Horror, I can see any direction?

>>53833037
>>53833036
Surely it must be a typo and should say on a hot roll?
Surely they arent THAT dumb

>>53833022
Because it represents being chewed on and eaten by the chest cavity teeth

How can I make a homebrew codex-adherent space marine chapter more unique?

>>53833050
It doesn't matter what it represents, what does it actually do in-game?

>>53832976
Once per game Dimachaeron can call a brexit. On a 4+ he gains +d6 wounds and leadership and all foreign non-tyranid models must take a morale check. On any other result he turns into a chaos spawn and all allied models must take a morale check.

>>53833058
Fluff, paint scheme, conversions.
There are lots of ways actually.

>>53832650
>Not taking 9 Arco-flagellents with a priest

They have the magic strength 5, and 27D3 attacks, with rerolls to hit when they charge AND 2 wounds each, all for the same price as DCA.

What units are good for chaos space marines?

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>>53833073
Alright lads, who is better, the feind or the bloodslaughtere, they are both power 9

>>53833096
>power

who cares?

>>53833106
We dont have BS points yet, so its all we have to go one

>>53833096
I'd say bloodslaughterer, it's got enough of a higher damage output to make up for lacking 2 wounds, and the +2 to charge seems pretty helpful as well. Still in actual points there's enough variation to swing it the other way within a single power level.

>>53833096
They're so similar I don't think it matters.

>>53833096

Looks like the slaughterer is slightly better overall, though the Maulerfiend does have more wounds.

>>53833103
I'll mathammer it later but I'm pretty sure they're still good enough. They're just not vastly undercosted anymore.

>>53832976
I wonder if the Nid LoW will still be horrifically overcosted

>>53832608
>da madboy, he aktully done it!

so what does the Wave Serpents shield actually do?
Does "reduce damage" mean -1 to damage rolls, or ignore 1 wound?

>>53833096
Slaughter looks much better, more attacks, higher strength.
Those cutters look pretty tasty though.

>>53833106

For a model without much in the way of upgrade variation you can spitball about 20 points per power. These are probably both around 180.

>>53833141
-1 to a damage roll.

So if a lascannon rolls 4 for damage, it does 3 damage.

>>53833141
If the thing that shot it had damage 2, it now has damage 1.

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>>53832883
>locked in combat with a drop pod

>>53833135

I'm more a genecult player than a Nid player, but I'd love the Hierodules to be amazing wrecking ball monsters.

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>Army builder updated Ministorum

Posted something close to this yesterday, but I think I've refined it. The only place to gain is dropping the Eviscerator for a power maul, and get 2 more battle sisters for the infantry squad, but I like the model too much.

So it appears if you want to take a [Relic] unit, you have to take a normal unit of the same battlefield role alongside it in the same detachment.

Just checked out the Tottenham Court Rd GW.

It's pretty big and impressive, shame it takes me 1 hour 15 mins to get there.

>>53833179

That's not too bad a restriction. Slightly limiting, but only really a problem if you're meaning to spam relics.

>>53832391
>ywn be this happy.

>>53833202
Well, I was hoping to use both my Whirlwind Scorpius...

>>53833189
it looks small on google, did they redevelop it?

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>orks are a melee race
>m5

>>53833202
Its not too bad, but to even take one you have to take something else. Can't just splash in a cool model.

>>53833245
Dunno but it's long inside, had quite a few tables and at least 3 employees

How good are vanilla chaos terminators and Sekhmets now?

>>53833236
So now you have take 2 devistators or something?

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>>53833103

>>53833189
>>53833245
>>53833259
>tfw your local GW has an entire first floor dedicated to gaming tables

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>>53833063

I've just got no inspiration. All I know is it's a mainly Primaris chapter, and they're Imperial Fists successors. This is their colour scheme.

>>53833282
Sounds nice, whereabouts?

>>53833290
Aberdeen

>>53833298
the come as you are city?

>>53833059
D6 damage

>>53832608
Nice looking looted rowboat, anon. Add oars.

>>53833282
The tottenham court rd store is retardedly small for being in the biggest city in the country, even the old Trocadero store was twice the size. Guess ultra jew GW hate the london rent prices.

>>53833330
Well compared to my more local Barnet and Enfield stores, I was impressed.

>>53833315
The strength part.

>>53832342
My god. Doz'El Zabi was right, Sept Z'ion was unstoppable when Big Tide was mass produced.

>>53832490
2 dday arks and a triarch stalker are pretty scary, or the equivalent pts in destroyers/heavies/d-lord

>>53833341
Nothing.
A 6 is an automatic sucess.
So it'd only come into effect if a unit had rules that reduce damage from attacks u der s certain S threshold.

>>53833337
Even Enfield used to have a bigger one, it was right next to where the underground station is now

>>53833249
Can't they just ignore movement with reliable teleportation?

>>53833369
Wouldn't personally know, one I used ages ago before I quit was the Brent Cross one, and AFAIK it's closed down

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>>53833249
>using melee in 40k ever

A lictor says "your opponent must subtract 1 from their hit rolls for attacks which target this model." Is it possible to hit a lictor in overwatch (without a flamer)?

>>53833397
Overwatch ignores modifiers.

>>53833397
Over watch is on a 6 regardless of modifiers, so yes.

>>53833397
overwatch ignores modifiers

>>53833397
Read the fucking rules you lazy fucker. Overwatch always hits on a 6 regardless of modifiers.

>>53833397
i dunno maybe read the rules for overwatch

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>>53833388
> Not melee
Are you a taufag ?

Are termies worth it? I have such a hard time fitting them in my list.

Battalion Detachment

Sorcerer in Terminator Armour (1) - 8pwr
1 Sorcerer: Force axe,Combi-melta

Herald of Slaanesh (1) - 3pwr
1 Herald of Slaanesh: Piercing claws

Chaos Space Marines (10) - 9pwr
1 Aspiring Champion: Power fist,Plasma Pistol
1 Chaos Space Marine: Chainsword,Plasma Pistol
1 Chaos Space Marine: Meltagun,Bolt pistol
7 Chaos Space Marine: Chainsword,Bolt pistol

Chaos Rhino (1) - 4pwr
1 Chaos Rhino: Combi-bolter,Havoc launcher

Daemonettes of Slaanesh (10) - 5pwr
1 Allures: Piercing claws
1 Daemonette: Piercing claws,Instrument of Chaos
1 Daemonette: Piercing claws,Daemonic Icon
7 Daemonette: Piercing claws

Daemonettes of Slaanesh (10) - 5pwr
1 Allures: Piercing claws
1 Daemonette: Piercing claws,Instrument of Chaos
1 Daemonette: Piercing claws,Daemonic Icon
7 Daemonette: Piercing claws

Chaos Terminators (5) - 14pwr
1 Terminator Champion: Combi-melta,Power axe
1 Chaos Terminator: Reaper autocannon,Chainfist
1 Chaos Terminator: Combi-bolter,Chainfist
2 Chaos Terminator: Combi-bolter,Power fist

Fiends of Slaanesh (1) - 2pwr
1 Fiend: Dissecting claws,Vicious barbed tail

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>>53833415
>try to melee
>get shot to bits before getting there
No melee.

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Does someone knows something about the Death Guard Codex? I find the Index pretty lacking:

No termies
No havocs
No vindis

Am I supposed to play full possesed?

>>53833430
>Drive close to them in a Rhino
>Have Rhino absorb overwatch
>wreck them with melee
It's pretty fun.

>>53833458
Thats not the codex

Thats the index

>>53833458

You're getting a codex soon, shut the fuck up.

>>53833463
>orks
>rhino
>he still thinks Orks can loot

Any books that deal with a life in a hive?

>>53833463
I dont have any transports.
My daemons just get blown away by first rank fire second rank fire and my keeper dies to lascannons and overcharged plasma.

At least he doesn't have any conscripts...

>>53833458
As a KSons player- I feels

>>53833430
How? Even fucking overcosted and shitty Penitent Engines and Repentias in Rhino can get to melee and at least kill one thing.

>>53833473
I was talking about marines, Orks can just da jump lol.

>>53833479
Dead Men Walking begins with it.

>>53833485
Its a "ablobloo everything is too hard and nothing will ever be as I want it to" post.
The image should have clued you in.

>>53833430
overwatch only hits in 6+ you clown.

>>53833481
What the fuck is KSons

>>53833288
What weapons do you like? What tactics? What idea do you like from other media and can you steal/adapt it?

Melee is pretty easy to get into this edition. I get my charges off turn 1 or 2 pretty much every game.

>>53833458

Much like everything in 8th, I'm assuming they'll be adding flavor in later. DG are supposed to get their own terminators, but not having access to them now blows.

And this being done after the legion rules being released it doesn't make much sense that they didn't take the 20 seconds to write:

>All units in this army which may select their <MARK OF CHAOS> rather than already being dedicated to a god must select NURGLE. Units which do so gain Disgustingly Resilient and increase their toughness by +1.

Thats 90% of the DG legion rules right their, with Vindicators and Terminators you'd almost not have to release any more rules for them.

It feels like they finished the rule book and started play testing with their beta rules compilations to see what worked before the actual release, then the higher ups decided to move the release date from 4 or 5 months into the future to 1 month, and the rules guys panicked and released the indexes.

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How do I make an Iron Warriors army that's still "Your Dudes" are they broken up in companies or anything so I can say "X Warpsmith of X company went over here and started doing this"

Any leaks from the Forgeworld Indexes?
When can we expect full scans anyway?

>>53833473
>he think anyone can kill 60 boosted Boyz before they reach melee

>>53833564

They don't start shipping till the 17th, so if someone on /tg/ ordered one you'll probably be seeing low res pictures by next week

>>53833564

Ebook will be out GMT midnight.

>>53833554
Pretty much exactly that. They even had a war between companies.

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OK, this might be a bit weird, but is it viable to run an army of pretty much nothing but characters plus a few really hard-to-kill units to stand in front of them?

Looking at orks, the warboss and the runtherd actually seem like decent value for the amount of durability and killing power they have compared to normal units.

They are also practically immune to morale and can split up to take objectives as you see fit. On the other hand, they only give buffs to models in the exact right place and don't get much benefit from effects which do something for a unit.

However, they do let you do a neat trick with charging; multiple charges are more likely to have one of them connect.

I'm thinking this could work quite well with transports, since they let you pack more points in per transport slot than anything except nobz and you can move the transports to make them almost immune to shooting after they disembark.

>>53833548

The only specialization I've got planned is pure footslogging, no transports. Beyond that, Primaris doesn't have much in the way of flexibility anyway.

>>53833595
Yeah, Perturabo's a dick who encourages his Iron Warriors to fight among each other to weed out weaklings.

Maybe your guys were turfed out and now you want revenge and to prove yourself to Perturabo again.

>>53833615
>>53833595
So say when the traitor legions rules come out, if I say they are an Iron Warriors warband but for example color them different and give them a new name and color scheme(all hypothetical cus I'm not doing that) would they still play with Iron Warriors rules?

Is it just me, or are dreadnoughts kind of weird weapon-wise? They have nice melee weapons, but if you advance up the field to use them, then you have worse shooting with your heavy weapons.

How do you kit yours out, and how do you make effective use of them?

How do transports absorb overwatch fire? I don't see how they can charge, then have the unit disembark to charge.

>>53833525
k-kilo-1000. thousand sons, id guess anon

>>53833236
>>53833275
Take devastators without heavy weapons and use them as tactical squads if you want to save points.

>>53833586
>This is a pre-order title, available to download from 23 Jun 2017.

>>53833632
i gave my contempor an assault canon so he can shred infantry and if he wants to fuck up armored units he just engages them in melee.

Meeting two players for the first time in my local town to play 40k with.

I'm getting heatenings just thinking about it. What should I expect? How should I act?

>>53833639
You disembark the unit first, then charge them both in with the transport doing first.

so, anybody near nottingham? The FW indexes are on display. Somebody go take pics!

>>53833639
The unit disembarks first, then moves forward, then the transport moves up and charges, then the unit charges.

>>53833430
Get gud.

t. Tyranid player who's been playing melee since 2nd

>>53833639
unit disembarks, transport moves up, unit moves up. Transport charges first, if it makes it in, then your enemy can't fire overwatch when the unit charges.

>>53833629
TSons have a similar concept in Wrath of Magnus. They're your dudes, you can do whatever you want with them.

>>53833604
Saw it happen this weekend. Dude ran an army of Blue Horrors (didn't have enough Brimstones), and massed Staff of Change Heralds with a few Burning Chariots. Every turn, he would walk forward and Smite, and other than deciding when to use his CP to ignore Battleshock, just spent the time making smalltalk as his army pretty much played itself.

His opponent played Space Wolves...and they got tabled, since smite targets into melee, and his only option for shooting was a bunch of cheap Horrors.

>>53833397
Read the rules you dumb faggot.

>>53833479
The necromunda novels?

>>53833552
Pretty sure they want to do away with 'free upgrades' like that. Faction benefits are now going to be rather strictly linked to the CP system; either allowing you to shift battlefield role or select special stratagems.

Also, they are bringing out DG specific terminators and vindicator-ish tanks in the next month and those will have new wargear options (some kind of triple-barrel cannon on the tank, by the looks of things and probably a bigger version of that new plague marine gun for the termies, maybe manreapers or something) which they don't want to show rules for yet.

>>53833569

There are plenty of units which can gun down ork boys in a couple of turns with equal points value. There are some (mortars) which can do it in one turn. If you're willing to retreat, you can easily get three rounds of shooting into footslogging orks, which is enough for almost any serious shooting unit to do the job.

>>53833632

Yeah, I think that's an oversight on GW's part, same with termies not having something like old relentless anymore.

I would probably just load them out for shooting, rifleman dreads are probably the best they've ever been and at 136 pts its only a slightly more expensive then it was last edition while vomiting out 8 str 7 ap -1 D2 shots a turn. A couple of those with a captain floating around to buff them would make for a very formidable castle

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>>53833659
Or you don't and pic related happens. Amusingly enough, it's also possible for a squad to make the charge while a melee leader (say, Kharn) fails and takes a smoke break.

>2 Years of Playtesting.

>>53833652

Did you pick one of the indexes that isn't released this week? It's okay if you admit being dumb.

Poxwalkers vs Plaguebearers.

What do you prefer for chaff?

Why is charge rolled rather than a fixed distance?

>>53833689
I suspect they've learned from AoS and we can expect things like that, and special stuff will be part of the way they do formations in AoS too, with unique benefits tied to those, and them costing points themselves.

>>53833658
Make sure to act like a huge autist so we can have a story to read about you being a sperg.

>>53833719
I'd guess to avoid making melee entirely predictable? I guess... it's sort of silly.

>>53833695
that does sound pretty strong
I can't wait for FW stuff so I can see how much dread drop pods cost. Those were how I got melee dreads into combat in 7th

>>53833632

You want to ideally take a cheaper, high number of shots gun if you want to get into melee. Luckily twin heavy Bolter is the cheapest and an assault cannon is only pennies more.

Dual Autocannon is pretty rad, especially on a venerable. A Mortis dread should be pretty good for dual las.

Contemptors are good for punchy punching.

>>53833723
Could they do something like: if your detachment contains all Tzeentch units, gain +1 to your psychic tests and deny's?

>>53833719
because lolrandumb is fun!

>>53833719
GW loves randumb

>>53833632
Losing a quarter of your shooting effectiveness isn't wonderful, but I don't think it's enough to stop moving with them. Twin heavy bolter seems like good value; 4 points less than an assault cannon for more range and 1 less S (which only really matters against T 5 and 6).

>>53833659
>>53833663

Oh I see, they can't fire overwatch because the transport has tied them up in combat.

>>53833719

GW's obession with unncessary random rolls is sickening, especially when they and the mouthbreathers here are saying they want a faster game. It stinks of Jervis.

>>53833680
Including play with Iron Warrior rules?

>>53833770
Yes.

Paint them purple or whatever, call them 'Perturabo's Sons' and use Iron Warrior rules

>>53833696
Or even worse, Kharn makes the charge only for his bodyguards to suddenly decide to ditch him and leave him to fight off their entire army by himself.

>>53833661
My housemate just went there to go to some midnight release thing they are doing. Doubt he's going to be willing to do us a favour like that though.

>>53833700
No forgeworld index is releasing this weak.