FBI file on Gary Gygax

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kek

Gb2/Codex.

>>53823978
How little has changed...

>>53823978
kek /tg/ btfo

>>53823978
That's pretty accurate

Imagine being the fucking FBI guy charged with investigating TSR and the wargaming community. You would probably want to kill yourself.

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>>53824053
Could be worse

>>53823937
>>53823978
>>53824209
Glad to see the results of my annual $42k contribution to Uncle Sam.

>>53824209
Chances of that being real are small, albeit I can believe that is someone's job.

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>>53823978
>war games are generally extremely intelligent individuals

What an accurate and well-researched report.

>>53823937
Wasn't this thread deleted?

>>53823937
How much you want to bet this is Arneson shitting on him after he stole D&D

>>53823978
We've only ever spent a week assessing strategic possibilities before reenacting the entirely historical battle for apocalypse

what if the FBI knows the truth and we're in a weird breakaway world somewhere in a distant corner of the imperium of man that has pulled off an elaborate ruse on its citizens that convinces them they're only at 20th century technology levels?

>>53823978
>extremely intelligent
>live frugally to buy more toy soldiers
>typically overweight and/or unkempt
they knooooow

>>53823937
They have raided Steve Jackson Games office once too.

>>53824796
Didn't they raid SJG because the hacking supplement they were putting together in the '90s was so realistic they thought SJG was making an actual hacker manual?

>>53824820
Eyup. SJG went so in-depth on their research during the Bell Wars stuff they ended up on a list.

>>53824820
Yes.
http://www.sjgames.com/SS/

>>53824847
>and bent two of the office letter openers attempting to pick the lock on a file cabinet.

Jesus Christ lads.

>>53824914
Has the secret service gone too far?

Shouldn't spooks have automatic lock picks and shit like that?

>>53824999
Probably didn't send their elite unit to investigate a rpg company

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>>53823937
Wake up people.

>>53824692
SHUT. IT. DOWN!

>>53824053
Good idea for a campaign imo

>>53825199
Yeah. You could make it so all the Satanic Panic stuff is actually true and your desk job FBI guys get in way over their head.

>>53823937

> -Redacted- considers Gygax eccentric and frightening.

Federal Bureau of Ineptitude

>>53825517
Now I've got an idea for my Delta Green campaign I'm going to do. Thank you.

>>53825517
Every attempt to get additional resources or firepower from your superiors elicits the same response
>"They're just nerds lol"

You've got to politic for your life to even get near the nice shit

>>53824796
>They have raided Steve Jackson Games office once too.

The Secret Service, not the FBI. SJG won in court, despite the feds foot dragging, and several people were "retired".

As >>53825028 explains, it wasn't exactly send the SS's A team which first investigated SJG and decided to conduct the search. In fact, it wasn't exactly the B, C, D, or E teams either. What it what it turned out to be was a middle manager promoted to their level of incompetence and with little oversight running a ill-chosen "investigation" which was allowed to grow to a point where the Service felt they needed to "defend" it.

>>53826215
Looking at the actual court documents, it was a super flimsy "investigation". Some Bell South subcontractor found out that a company sensitive document might have been available on a BBS, which somehow got the SS dragged in, who decided to focus on SJG instead of the guy who might have actually released the document in the first place because he also participated in a BBS run by SJG. And then they just ran roughshod over it for shits and giggles because they were bored or something.

>>53823937
Is [BLANK] Lorraine?

>>53826289

Bruce Sterling's book The Hacker Crackdown, is a good history of that incident and others. The author signed a special deal where the physical book is copyrighted, but the online version of the book is literary freeware. So download away.

Basically, Bellsouth claimed it was a 50,000 dollar document that was hacked and distributed. And that as a blueprint of the 911 system it could be used to Destroy America. That was also why they resisted showing the document publicly or even to the jury so people could decide for themselves if it was a crime. Anyway, a copy ended up on a PC owned by an employee of sjgames (an author of GURPS cyberpunk and RL hacker).

Anyway, the case fell apart when the defense pointed out that the document could be bought by anyone for $6 from a Bellsouth technical catalog. The prosecutors hadn't checked and just had taken Bellsouths word for it. The whole case collapsed, but that didn't stop them harassing sjgames for years essentially out of pettiness.

So basically go get a copy of GURPS cyberpunk.

>>53826426

Clearly, REDACTED is Vecna.

>>53823937

FBI files make everyone sound like a felon and/or potential terrorist. There's a joke among prosecutors that they could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich if they tried.

That's also incidentally why they miss so many real terrorists until it's too late. When you act like everyone is guilty, then you stop noticing who is really guilty.

>>53826215
>SJG won in court,
They didnt got some of their stuff back so, NOPE

they didnt won shit

>>53823937
>drug abuser.

LOL weed.

>>53827056
>They didnt got some of their stuff back so, NOPE

Some of the stuff was destroyed, so no one could get it back.

>>they didnt won shit

English much?

Anyway, read The hacker Crackdown by Sterling and educate yourself.

>>53826289
>Looking at the actual court documents, it was a super flimsy "investigation".

Exactly. Some BellSouth boob found an equally stupid SS manager, a laughable "investigation" took place, and the circus began.

>>53827158
Weed abuse is no laughing matter.

Did quentin teach you nothing?

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>>53824914
>They didn't even bring their own equipment

>>53829141
>they didn't even realise that if they had the warrants to raid the offices, they had the warrants to force SJG to open said cabinet

>>53829231
They probably didn't get the warrant until after the fact.

>>53829278
Would they really risk blowing it if the judge denied the warrant?

>>53823937
What weapon did Gary 'OG' Gygax carry?

>inb4 +1 mace

>>53830623
I think he carried a knife on his person. Can't remember where but I heard he had it on him so if he was working on a mini and it he a stray little bit sticking off he could just nick it off.

>>53824505
It's quite possibly true. Hell, Australian authorities are watching. Shitposting knows no bounds: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/a-junior-defence-staffer-allegedly-took-home-an-intelligence-report-and-posted-it-online-20150804-gir4rq.html

>>53823937
>>53823978
Okay, I guess I'll be the one to ask. Why was the FBI making a file on Gary Gygax?

>>53831747
Why is the FBi doing anything they do?

>>53831796
They seem like the only halfway-competent government agency in the USA so it surprises me that they waste their time on stuff like this.

>>53823937
>[REDACTED] believes that GYGAX would be extremely uncooperative if the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) attempted to interview him regarding his knowledge of [REDACTED] FRESNO.
what's in Fresno that the FBI wanted to know about but Gygax wouldn't tell them?

>>53831861
They only appear that way as they are literally just our federal police force. Their work isn't about gathering international intelligence or anything, unless it directly relates to a crime. They're just cops doing cop work with a huge jurisdiction, it baffles me when people put them on the same level as the CIA or NSA.

>>53831875
I'll tell you but you have to promi

>>53831904
Thats the impression i always got from them. Government police rather than state and so on. Not sure where the super cool agent extreme shit came from.
It's probably down to tv, in bongland anyway.

>>53831961
>in bongland anyway.
I'm pretty sure most of the XTREME GMEN FBI RAID shit is genuine USA.

Sometimes I don't think the people who work in the media actually know the difference between the FBI and CIA.

>>53831961
>Not sure where the super cool agent extreme shit came from.
TV. Whenever there's a shadowy government conspiracy the men in black who chase the protagonists are usually FBI agents.

>>53831904
>Their work isn't about gathering international intelligence or anything, unless it directly relates to a crime.
what is mission creep?

>>53831961
FBI: breaks down your door and confiscates all your meth equipment and shoots your girlfrien after 5 years of infiltrating your drug empire.

CIA: Establishes a drug empire in another country to weaken the establishment government's power in order to put a pro-USA executive leader into power.

DEA: Sells the meth from the drug empire in order to take down a slightly larger drug empire, then sells the other drug empire up the river during the trial of the initial bust.

BATFE: Shoots your dog because your rifle is 16" and you didn't pay $200.

NSA: listens to all this going on.

>>53831904
>unless it directly relates to a crime.
Wouldn't it be Interpol's job then?

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>>53832057
Yeah, they can get a lot of scope of investigation under the guise of "well, it's related to this crime we're looking into". They really have broad parameters for operating.

>>53832062
Why are the ATF and DEA not part of the FBI?

>>53832069
Why should Interpol be policing our federal crimes? We're a sovereign country. When the FBI investigates something in another country it usually works with that country's version of the FBI or the government body that would be in charge of the crime.

Interpol isn't involved very often.

>>53832098
BATFE is actually a part of the IRS, most of the crimes committed with A, T, F, and E are felonies and are covered by other parts of the government on either federal, state, or local levels. What they enforce is the tax part of it for some fucking reason.

DEA is part of the DOJ like the FBI is and work together pretty fluidly. DEA is just more specified.

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>>53832142
***to add on real quick, they also enforce things regarding ATFE that could be handled by other agencies for some fucking reason. Funnily, tobacco and booze or overseen by the FDA, our guns are overseen by counties usually regarding licencing and permits, the FBI database is the one checked for background checks.

It makes no fucking sense.

Pic is what they do all day, making up convoluted webs of legislation with no oversight.

>>53832179
>That pic
I'm... i'm confused... what is that supposed to regulate? Is that about shipping guns by mail?

>>53832222
It's to regulate the length of rifles. Rifles need stocks (the thing that braces the rifle against your shoulder/chest) so you can have a gun's barrel be any length so long as it doesn't have a stock and it wasn't originally manufactured with one.

If you have a rifle that is too short in the barrel it's a Short Barreled Rifle, an SBR. They are easier to conceal and to operate indoors so only people with $200 and sixth months have the right to them. If you do have the $200 you aren't a bad guy I guess.

If you want to be more confused look up "shouldering an AR pistol arm brace" and the fucking trash that was.

The gun hobby in America is surprisingly complicated.

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>>53825517
>Yeah. You could make it so all the Satanic Panic stuff is actually true and your desk job FBI guys get in way over their head.
That sounds awfully familiar...

>>53832179
Lot of this is kind of funny in some ways, I'm a Cat-D licensed shooter in Australia- so basically I can run around with assault rifles and murder pest animals.
Essentially, they don't give a fuck how long/short/bent my barrel is, what the lower, upper receiver does or whatever the hell is hanging off it, heck I can just ask and they'll sell me a silencer without any real trouble at all if I needed one. About the only real thing is full auto, (which is kind of useless for the most part) and I got over doing that after 12 or so years in the army so it doesn't really excite me as much as some people.

>>53832330
>silencer

>>53832330
We're huge on nitpicky bullshit with guns here. Even in free states.

In MN we can't have gatling-style trigger guard additions but we can have echo triggers (pull trigger and shoots, let go and it shoots).

>>53832309
Wow, and here i thought my country was a champion of clusterfuck laws.

>>53832337
Silencer/Suppressor
You do sound far more tactical if you say suppressor I guess

>>53832349
Yeah its a handful when I've brought parts over and every state has its own laws for various components. Plus some of them won't actually sell to anyone overseas and then you do the run-around to find someone who does, then hope they have the local law to actually sell it.

Mind you, your pistol laws (overall) seem to be far more easy to live with than ours, which as a general rule ours are a huge pain in the rectum.

>>53832330
Over here in NZ, you can own a 7.2-inch howitzer on an A category license (the easiest to get, just pass a safety test, have a safe place to store your firearms, and get a couple people to say you're the kind of person who should be trusted with a firearm). The only trouble you might have is safe storage and (maybe) having to get a demolitions license to actually fire the thing.

An A-cat is meant for hunting rifles and shotguns. Firearms laws are funny.

>>53832337
The original suppressor was called the Silencer. It's a brand name.

>drugs abuser

You know, it really doesn't surprise me that Gygax smoked a fuckload of weed, seeing how the entire roleplaying genre grew out of the fusion of wargaming and the '60s hippy counter culture. (What if we take our Napoleonic wargames, and turn it into Tolkien-esque adventures with actual theatrics, duuuude?)

>>53832431
I thought he had a reputation for coke actually.

>>53832437
Well, consider that coke is like the fourth (or fifth if you count caffeine as a drug) most used drug on the planet (caffeine, alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, cocaine) , it's not that odd to imagine someone who earns quite a few dollars using cocaine.

If you ask me, cocaine is a fucking waste of money. Just drink some beer, smoke some weed and drink a cup of coffee or grab an energy drink. Now you have the same experience for 1/20th of the price of cocaine.

t. cheapskate Dutch druggie

>>53832403
Yeah I dunno how that works here, I know APC's, artillery and tanks are perfectly fine for private ownership- not quite sure about a 'live' gun, though I suspect they would let you have it provided the breach or firing mechanism was kept separate like it is for military collectibles.

Don't really have an urge to buy an artillery piece to investigate further :)

>>53832437
Flower child of the 60's and 70's, basically they snorted, shot, smoked everything they could get their hands on

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>>53832403
Good luck mate, you'd need a C-cat license as its bore is rifled and exceeds 12.7mm/.50, and would need storage to match.

Some smoothbore cannons can be had on an A-cat however, and smaller cannons don't even need a license..

>>53831875
That plot hook

>>53831904
>They're just cops doing cop work with a huge jurisdiction
I think they're the only service in the West which both act as federal cops and semi-covert state security.

>>53823978
Damn, american taxpayers must be really happy to see their money is put to good use.

>>53830597
If you CAN be discrete in your invasion, anything you find can just be called an 'anonymous leak'.

>>53832554
>exceeds 12.7mm/.50
I don't see that in the Arms Act or the list of weapons declared restricted.

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>further advised that the typical war gaming enthusiast is overweight and not neat in appearance
Nothing gets by those guys does it.

>>53823978
And they call me paranoid for wearing a tinfoil hat.

>>53824209
>So what does this new "epic meem" mean, Johnson?
>Well sir that's spurdo
>A what?
>Do you remember the case from some years ago, the crackdown on CP distribution? Do you remember that thing called Pedobear?
>Yeah yeah, bunch of sick bastards
>Well, spurdo is pedobear according to finnish posters high on meth and energy drinks
>What, are we the DEA now?
>No sir, they don't distribute it, I think it's like their national dish
>Bloody Christ, and what does it mean?
>I'm not too sure...I think it just represent incompetence. Spurdo is usually portrayed as a recruit of the finnish army. By the way, if what they say is true, we should consider that Finland will fall within 16 hours against a russian invasion.
>Thanks God, beating commies, something I can understand.
>Well sir, the rabbit hole goes deeper?
>How?
>There is also Gondola
>Are we dealing with the terroni?
>No sir, it's just a deformed spurdo. It means -nothing-, they just put him in classic pieces of art. We have the guys from cryptanalysis working on it, maybe it's steganography, but we've found nothing yet.
>Sigh...I didn't sign for this.

>>53833044
>It means -nothing-
It's a representation of Zen.

>>53832638
>what is the DHS for 600 Alex

>>53833075
So their functions overlap, that means little.

>>53833081
It means quite a bit, actually. The DHS acts both as federal cops AND as semi-covert state security. This means that your statement (that the FBI are the only Western fed cops+state security) has been refuted.

>>53833157
It means I thought it was the only such agency.

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>>53833166
Unfortunately not, friend. We're watched "well". Alphabet soup agencies run amok while setting fire to the rulebook along the way, the police grow increasingly militarized, Big Gov't moves amongst the shadows to compromise our liberties, and the media cloaks it all with hearsay and static. The soup of the day is "Tread Lightly". Stay safe, anon.

>>53833075
>>53833157


As a non american, what does the DHS do? Cause every serial killer and home terrorist was hunt down by the FBI afaik. Are they so fucking spook no one notices them? Do they fight against gobbunism?

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>>53833394
DHS is like this weird overlap of ICE, FBI, BATFE, CIA, and Secret Service.

It's just Bush era bloat that was further expanded under Obama. It's anti-terrorist but its end goal is vague and it's oversight is only from the executive branch, not the DoJ like the other speak and spells. Trump is giving it a little more focus than prior admins, at least he's on our side for now.

Here's all our spook clubs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_law_enforcement_in_the_United_States

Oh and they can all kill us for some reason. Even the park service has swat vehicles.

>>53827316
>Some of the stuff was destroyed, so no one could get it back.
Didnt knew that
Not only my point still stands but it stands harder

>>53833563
>>53833394
>>53833157
DHS is authoritarian power-creep. It birthed the TSA and engulfed the Coast Guard, border control, and customs as a means of consolidating authority over travel and borders.

Of course, since the Obama admin was without a doubt best described as "anarcho tyranny", this massive consolidation of power was turned on citizens while infractions against our sovereignty were ignored and even encouraged.

>>53833563
>Even the park service has swat vehicles.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_bear

>>53827158
He also took cocaine for a time. I think that's why he divorced his first wife

>>53824820
No the reality was the guy working on the hacking supplement started a bbs where they talked about hacking which got him put on a list and they used that to raid steve jackson games so they could get his equipment. It was a really flimsy flimsy job.

>>53831904
Wrong.

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>>53833699
>Of course, since the Obama admin was without a doubt best described as "anarcho tyranny", this massive consolidation of power was turned on citizens while infractions against our sovereignty were ignored and even encouraged.

THEYRE PUTTIN CHEMICALS IN THE WATER THAT TURN DA FROGS GAY!

>>53835249
>silly conspirationists, the government can do nothing bad EVER

>>53832142
Okay, so if I C D, who should I call?

>>53832069
>t. Europoor

>>53835388
The Ghost Busters

>>53836179
Couldn't I at least call them GB?

>>53832309
>"shouldering an AR pistol arm brace"
I looked that up, and now I'm just upset. I'm not even entirely sure why.

>>53826128
>ask for extra firepower
>boss gives you a bar of soap and wifflebat

>>53830623
Small leatherette sap stuffed with jagged, rigid shapes of various sizes attached to his belt by a foot long draw string.
Analysis indicates it may be an improvised flail of some kind.

[redacted] maintains tha GYGAX is capable of constructing an improvised crossbow from a length of elastic a pencil and two paper clips capable of deploying potentially lethal munitions up to a range of three feet.

>>53823937
H i g h s c h o o l D r o p o u t
t u o p o r D l o o h c s h g i H

>>53832062
>>53832142
>>53832179

Wait, there's an 'E' now?

>Explosives

Fair enough, carry on.

>>53832349
>MN

Where do you hail from my sky-blue-water-bro?

>>53832309
>Owning lethal weapons is surprisingly complicated

Ya think?!

I guess I'm not easily impressed but that file sounds average.

>>53833563
LOL at saying trump is on our side. He's on the side of grabbing a bunch of money and hoping he gets away with it. Meanwhile he'll sign any crazy shit the GOP sends his way.

>>53825028
Still, does the Secret Service assume only 1337 haXX0rz would have locking file cabinets?

>>53832222
Nice digits.

>>53837956
St Cloud nigga.

We just diffused a bomb downtown last night.

>>53839251
I was really shocked growing up to learn Burnsville has a bomb squad, while Apple Valley and Eagan didn't.

>>53838520
The lethal part is the easiest to get.
I could go buy a simple hunting rifle or shotgun no problem. Make it slightly shorter, or change some of the things surrounding the actually potentially lethal part (The chamber and trigger assembly) and it suddenly might or might not be legal. The bullet-shooty-bang part is almost not relevant to gun laws.

>>53831875
The only party to cruise through tomb of horrors with no casualties.

>>53833737
>I think that's why he divorced his first wife
He divorced his first wife because his secretary was sucking his cock under the desk on a daily basis and wanted to become the second wife, back when he was pulling in a million a year.

This is the same woman who keeps fucking shit up now and is the reason that the original Castle Greyhawk dungeons haven't been published, for instance. She's a nut and thinks they're much more valuable than they really are.

>>53824459
>>53832703

I'd rather my money go to this than assassinating south american democractically elected leaders. But that's more of the CIA's territory, even Truman knew at its founding that we were essentially creating an American gestapo.

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Haha, indeed it could be.

>>53842327
>I'd rather my money go to this than assassinating south american democractically elected leaders

>It's wrong to prevent dictatorial regimes aligned with your mortal political enemy from taking power when they are within nuclear staging distance of the least well defended portion of your country

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>>53836357
It's not "shouldering" if you don't put it against your shoulder

>>53842705
Bruh, looking out for your own interests is fine and dandy but don't go and try to moralize it, just say you murder people you don't like and leave it at that.

>>53842750
I don't think that's what cocking a gun means.

>>53843250
It could be, if we just want it enough.

>>53841675
I could see that.
>Nine years ago a dangerous known Libertarian, Gary Gygax, staged his death and withdrew his hidden Liberian savings to disappear into the underground. We have reason to believe that Gygax has been the mastermind of various hacking and sociopolitical upheavals around the world since he vanished. After extensively monitoring his nearly traceless comings and goings, we have gained approximate knowledge of the eccentric and frightening man's base of operations, underground in Wisconson. We've sent several small recon and takeout teams already to scout and sack the place quickly and quietly. None have reported back.
>Gygax was a master an art we've taken to calling "dungeoneering". His horrific traps are believed to have claimed the lives of several of our best trained operatives. In order to navigate the labyrinth he has left and verify his location and activities without damaging his treasure trove of evidence and equipment, we've recruited you five former gamers of Fresno, who are rumored to have excelled at besting his challenges thirty years ago.

>>53832502

Yeah there a guy outside Brisbane with a quartet of tanks (well, one is a tiny scout). As long as he doesn't have live ammo it's all good.

The engineering tank is bloody cool.

>>53837956

At this point it should just be 'Department of fun things'

>>53847294
They would need to regulate heavy vehicles and roller coasters first.

Those are different agencies with their own police powers.

>>53823937
I wish i had a surname as cool as Gygax.

>>53842705
Oh yeah, the important strategic asset that is Grenada absolutely had to be held. And Allende, the bloodthirsty stalinist, had to be disposed of!
Also, if the US didn't intervene in Honduras in 2009 the USSR would rise from its grave!

>>53832057
Wasn't the secret service originaly an anti counterfeiting branch? How do you even go from that to what they do now?

>>53832330
But then on the other hand getting even the simplest shit puts you through way to much bullshit.

>>53848771
They still do that, but they started protecting presidents some time after Lincolns assassination showed that there was a necessity to protect the president, I think.

>>53832418

The technical and legal name is silencer.

>>53848839
McKinley, not Lincoln.

>>53831747
If I remember right, this is when Steve Jackson Games had just been raided, or was about to be.

>>53833563
>Even the park service has swat vehicles.

Turns out national parks are infested with illegal growops