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Blood and Water Spoilers http://imgur.com/a/3tkUu

>What is Android: Netrunner?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAslVfZ9p-Y [Embed]

>Official FFG News & Spoilers site:
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/android-netrunner-the-card-game/
http://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/24049/netrunner-spoilers

>Official FAQ (post-MWL), Compendium on rulings, and common mistakes
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/aa/d3/aad35e6c-afdb-4de4-b034-ec5b5b748106/adn_faq_v312.pdf
http://ancur.wikia.com/wiki/Project_ANCUR_Wiki
https://www.reddit.com/r/postalelf/comments/2sm1d2/welcome_to_netrunner/

>NAPD Most Wanted List
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/fa/84/fa84c620-cd7e-4c6c-96bd-c703419fca5e/adn_mwl_v12_web.pdf

>Card List and Data Pack Details:
http://netrunnerdb.com/
http://blackat.co.uk
http://acoo.net

>Deckbuilding Resources:
http://netrunnerdb.com/
http://meteor.stimhack.com/
http://acoo.net

>Breaker Cost Comparisons
http://ice.emergencyshutdown.net/

>Articles and Blogs:
http://stimhack.com/
https://self-modifyingcode.com/
https://runawaynode.wordpress.com/
https://sneakdoor.wordpress.com/
https://netreadyeyes.wordpress.com

>Podcasts
http://runlastclick.blogspot.ca/
http://canlaugh.com/nerdrunners/
http://www.northerngamingnetwork.com/tagme/
http://thewinningagenda.com/

Try "Why I run", great for prospective Runners looking for a hands-on demo on how Running works (replace spaces with dots):
www nagnazul com/whyirun/whyirun.html

Play Netrunner online (replace spaces with dots):
Jinteki net

>Sealed Format Generator
http://anrsealed.com/

AutocardAnywhere is a Chrome/Firefox/Opera/Safari extension to get quick access to cards while browsing a site.

Check out the very WIP 1d4chan
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Android:_Netrunner

Worlds of Android Scan now in the OP
https://mega.nz/#!y0cC3ahR!bQlSrpCY4NamDKvq8FPXJEHAFS2WAvfzkZ0oyTbM_us

Old bread >>53678010
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I know I put the link, but Imma put the pics anyway

Criminals going a bit /k/, and get a nice 2MU console in Māui - it looks really reasonably priced for what you get as well.

Alice gives you reasons to stuff Archives full of traps, 50 card limit seems reasonable.
Tag-me getting some support too, though I think All-Seeing can still kill them?
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Mass Driver is ungodly expensive, but it effectively breaks 2 ice at a time and is basically Kit's wet dream. Test Run-Eureka it

The shaper console is odd. Does look like Wu might be the mars shaper though, given the abundence of quotes from her

Keros is a no-nonsence friend of Los. Will briefly be a bit silly while he shares a cardpool with Compromised Employee
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Fucking Loki, yes. Kind of like mother goddess (hnng, dat theme), and pretty damn tough alone (barring AI) - another 5 Inf Haas, woo - actually kind or reasonable, seeing as he gets much better with no other bioroids - which I guess is why they stuck him on Mars

Warroids is pretty dope, and being server-restricted means its not too busted in Haaset spam.

Obokata says get your critics out

Miraju looks kinda meh, but the damned if you do damned if you don't is cool.
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>>53813162
Absolutely loving the Bug Out Bag, besides the synergy with Bookmark, it lets you be a bit more adventurous with less cards in grip too. Loving Maui, and the recent "punish the corp for protecting HQ" cards in general.

Daredevil seems like a great Crim console, especially with the synergy to Snitch and Au Revoir. Could be a good thing Snitch is rotating. Mass Driver is strong, but really depends on the piece behind the encountered ice. Interesting to see them delving more into 7+ install cards though.

Warroid Tracker might be the card that puts upgrade spam into a good spot. Might see another bump in link based decks. Looks like Loki will be replacing Mother Goddess post-rotation, certainly not as good, but still hard to get through.

I loved this effect during the Terminal Directive campaign, and I love seeing it on a card. Sad it's 2 influence, but I guess it would've been ubiquitous otherwise. Shipment from Tennin should be interesting, the previous "punish if run, punish if don't" anon probably won't like it though.

Reeducation has a pretty great on-score effect for a 5/3. Traffic Analyzer is kinda eh, though against unlinked that first facecheck could end up badly.

Mass Commercialization is another Weyland card they made neutral. Not a bad thing, it'll be hilarious in Tennin for one.

Pretty exciting pack all in all, I imagine this will probably be the must-buy pack this cycle.
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>>53813533
Which effect during TD?

Yeah, the NBN agendas look quite cool (again there's a "for the brief period they share cardpools" moment with Escalate and Midseasons) - nice to see a 5/3 they actually want.

Traffic analyser looks interesting too, especially if you support it (Aryabhata Tech anyone?)
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>>53813533
Mass Commericalisation is Weyland-in-neutral, but I think its better for it - encourages traps and things.

Standoff looks cool, though I don't know there's all that much I'd be happy about trashing for it.
Success is jank fodder, but looks all the cooler for it.
Meteor Mining is more rule of cool than powerful, but its still cool
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>>53813607
The exact same effect, except it fires when the runner steals an agenda. On that note, the Runner side effect of the exact same ethos hilariously neutralizes Brain Rewiring. Put down atleast 1 in front of HQ and you probably won't need to worry about your agendas there for a while. Makes it vulnerable to Siphon, but that's the price you pay I suppose.

>>53813653
Yeah, definitely not against MassComm in neutral, especially with the synergy to Indian Union Stock Exchange. Standoff is pretty dependant on when it fires, though these days any trash could hurt the runner pretty bad.
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>>53813653
Nah, Standoff will be good. Net it either swaps a turn for 3 credits or sets the runner back, with archer food for both cases. That will be a decent card to play since it will let you get some power cards online or if the runner steals it it triggers hunter seeker and midseasons. I could easily see it out of Titan as well, maybe try Obelus with Biotic Labors to fast advance.

I'm real surprised at how cheap Shipment from Tennin is. You can fast advance a 3/2 for 3credits and one card. Jeeves/Subliminal/SfSS costs one including the rez, so Tennin may actually be the cheapest Fast Advance option, depending on how you value cards vs credits. Its really not unusual for a runner to take a breather turn if you're playing decently, so the Shipment could fire more than you'd expect. There are also there's old Tennin no remote decks that just scored with Trick of Light which this could revive. At least until trick of light and braintrust rotate.
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>>53813653
What's up with the smaller font size on Standoff? More formatting problems from FFG?
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>>53813780
Oh, Warroid's effect?
The paragraph made me think it was a different card you were referring to

>>53813789
Don't doubt it'll be good (except for Leela/Marron), but I was just thinking there's not all that much I'd want to trash on my own side.

Corp Town/Archer food is very nice, and I can see it being okay for getting the ball rolling with Jemison


In other news, the Version 1.0 of the Watchdog custom narrative campaign is out
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XQi5wd_Ya9l8blMy8ANR2D5BvtJFE2GOZO4WdVDDTZw/edit#heading=h.k1wbjp34r4rc
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>>53813923
Just reading through, but seems fun to play, and all the endings are pretty good. Found a "bug" though: Scenario 3b has weird templating for when the runner wins, it isn't clear if the you read the win text based on the option you choose earlier, or if you choose which one to read. Also a possible contradiction if the runner chose Option A and did the thing, since there isn't a prior warning to it.
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>>53813923
>>53814293
And I just realized that I didn't refer to Mirage (because the romaji is really dumb to spell out) in >>53813533 when I mentioned the TD campaign, my bad.
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>>53813923

You should request your Watchdog link be added to the OP. It looks really good.
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>>53814293
Yeah - I think you pick before, but I think you're tight about the Option A bug - I just think it's a templating error, as the Option C one tells you you can't do it if you did the other thing earlier

Also yeah, weeb mirage looks good for agenda protection
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Hilarious (and again, brief "while the cardpool allows it") combo time:
Score NAPD. Do things that generate BP. Sac the now 5+ advancement requirement NAPD with Success.
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So what exactly happened in Monitor which Watchdog is sorta based on?
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>>53815240
Play watchdog and find out!
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>>53813509
>Printing Loki with the only printed sub making the player shuffle their hand back in.

FFG be trolling...
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>>53815271

Would be hilarious to see the reaction of the runner when there is a BLC at the end of the server. Or hits a Snare!/Edge of World instead.
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>>53815331
Or Hokusai Grid, or Prisec. Any upgrade behind Loki is terrifying really. Then you put him in Weyland and play an Armored Server token for a very dead runner.
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>>53815271
Only subtype is Bioroid, it's great.

>>53815240
Middle class disappointment, MaxX, blogging, audience participation, asshole execs, and a less grimdark version of the ending of 1984

Its actually fairly decent, though no-one in it is anything you could really call likable.
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>>53815373

5 inf is pretty expensive to import though, especially when you can't really tutor him for the kill combo.
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>>53815373
AI is only relevant if they're actually breaking it though isn't it?
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>>53815517
*AS
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>>53815492
Weyland has a few ways honestly, though it probably works better if you bluff it out with rezzing only a few pieces of ice, then Liquidate everything once Loki is down. Is no remote Weyland a thing yet?
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>>53815517
Armored Servers is to stop them from breaking the ice behind it, preferably something that deals damage. Stops them from jacking out too.
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>>53815571
If they'd hit it an it fired sure (which could be scary)
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>>53815571
Armored server a data mine
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More late than I hoped, and hopefully legible, Exodus bonus pages.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/7w0y22
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>>53816315

Awesome! Thanks fellow Princess Space Kitten!
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At first sight, I'm not liking how Shipment from Tennin can magnify the threat of a Nisei MkII.
I'm thinking it's going to rub some people the wrong way.

Damn good data pack as far as I'm concerned.

Looking at the obvious connections, there's some amusing synergy between Pushing the Envelope and Daredevil (stupid idea worth exploring blind runner and how the representation of the grid/programs have to adapt to it).

Bug out Bag in a Severnius deck?

Los a Māori runner? Interesting. Digging the console.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ui_(M%C4%81ori_mythology)

I like Traffic Analyzer as a cheap to rez, small effect card that can end up pretty annoying.

Since the card was mentioned in the thread, might just be me, but from a fluff perspective, gotta love the possible interaction of Reeducation and Emptied Mind.

Whampoa might just become hated and important.

Funny to have Mass Commercialization as a neutral replacement to Commercialization. Again very fitting fluff-wise.
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>>53813923

Neat. Thanks for the campaign link.
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>>53816315
Awesome! Cheers mate!
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>>53813607
Reeducation is really similar to the agenda I suggested last thread to deal with agenda flood while being proactive.

I like how Shipment from Tennin punishes passiveness.
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>>53817083

Conflicted about Shipment Tennin. I can see how

>Play only if the runner did not initiate a run last turn

would be way too narrow, but as it is it's going to put some salt on wounds.

Just hit me, is Jinteki the only Corp that has two IDs set up on Mars (Tennin and Aginfusion)?

Really digging Reeducation. Powerful kill/rush agenda.
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>>53816568
>interaction of Reeducation and Emptied Mind.
That is amusing.

>>53816315
Thanks friend
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The apartment was one dirty but well organized room. Everything in its right place.
Shelf on the left side, covered in fantasy memstrips of all shapes, no apparent theme. Perfectly regular intervals between each.
Stained coffee table facing the right wall with some unfinished leftover food. Home-cooked Thai, by the look and permeating smell of it.
Bathroom door in the corner.
No windows. No bed.

At the center the coffin that dictated the place of everything else. A literal museum antique. Refurbished, first generation, pre-colapse console prototype.
Garrish slippers waiting beside for the runner to jack out.

Stupid. The thing was probably worth more on the connoisseur market than what most small-time runners could hope to make in their careers.
Another rush junkie.

He forcefully tore the machine open, and before the perfectly fluid series of motions - pulling the cables, pushing the runnner on the table, sticking the gun on his forehead - was over, the sight hit him like a slug in the gut.

The kid mustn't have been older than Janice. Junkie-thin bird-like, as compulsive runners will get. Long unkept black hair. And the wound. It looked too deliberate. Gang advertising campaign. The missing eyes feeling almost like a lost detail in the deformed upper head that would never express anything human. Terror only readable in the clenched jaw.

For the first time since the war, he hesitated.
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>>53818708

He had tried to explain to his sister at first. Before understanding she didn't *really* care. The presents, the attention, were not for him. They were for her.
She had fucked up one too many big times in a smuggling run. Los Muertos didn't like it. Until she had healed, he would only ever be her guilt cypher.
But she had given him The Slab. Thanks to her he could run. And it made the whole world make sense again.

The smell of servers in bloom, the honeyed taste of hitting a data-payload, feeling communications on his skin - the weird tickling at first that then became a new language. Meeting that one Bioroid boy, their conversation, and feeling the tears that would never roll down his cheeks ever again.
There was no shame. No awkward silence. No fear of the engulfing emptiness that had become the world.

It all made sense. Each element of it, and him in it.
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>>53816568
>I like Traffic Analyzer as a cheap to rez, small effect card that can end up pretty annoying.
I was trying to remember an upgrade that synergized with traces, and I found it, two even: Rutherford Grid (increases traces during a run on the server by 2), and ChiLo City Grid (successful trace, give one tag). Thankfully/unfortunately you can only use one at a time, but Rutherford at the least could guarantee up to 3 credits per ice rez, which is interesting.
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>>53819180

"Can you hear me, kid? Can you tell me your name?"

The voice and hand might as well have belonged to two different persons.

The hand was hard. Callous. So much so it wouldn't have suffered the comparison with most recent cyber-prosthesis. Self-assured in its own power, unmoved by the violence it was unleashing.
A killer's hand.

The voice was deep but clear. Slow, articulate, each syllable perfectly enunciated, with hints of warmth and care.
A medic's voice.

He did not recognize the voice, but he did the cold of the weapon.

"Thanin, he said, swallowing hard.

- Well Thanin, there is no point in trembling now. Whatever is to happen has already happened. Do you understand?
- Yes. No. I... I don't know."

Now that he was out of The Slab, the world was assaulting his senses again. The old familiar stench rising from the chronically clogged up bathroom sink. The lingering smell of weapons fired. And blood.

"Good. I figure you are a smart one. I do not want you to be more afraid than you need to be. Now, I want you to tell me about what you've been doing for the past ten days or so."
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>>53818708
This
>>53819180
Is
>>53822569
Awesome
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>>53816315
Not sure, but there might be a page missing?
The page with Ken on begins in the middle of a sentence, but the page before it doesn't end with an open sentence.
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>>53823958

Sorry, two pages missing. Will get this corrected as soon as I can.

>>53823434

Glad someone likes it. Will try to give it something of a conclusion once I'm done with work.

>>53822569
>you've

DAMN IT!

Three examples in a row of why I suck.
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>>53824067
It's reminding me of Nasir's story from the Lunar cycle. And Lunar has some of my favorite flavor in it so I too am digging this.
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Missing pages:

https://www.sendspace.com/file/2bhv2d
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>>53824067

Nah man, you're still awesome even then.

Also thanks again for the uploads.
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>>53827276
Cheers mang
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Some spoilers from what looks to be korean packs
https://youtu.be/EluDJHtrS3M

Seedling Transfer seems to be something Jinteki should have had way before now, but whatever.

Think Flashbang is too pricy to use given its strength, but cheating it out or maybe using shaper boosting tech might be good. Still eye-wateringly expensive though.

Diana's Hunt looks scary with things you can bring back, and possibly with the birds as well, depending on how that's ruled.

Fractal Matrix (or however the translation works out) looks okay - being non-unique and the high rez cost makes me think of BBG
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>>53830519
Seedling Transfer looks pretty situational on its use, since you'd rarely be putting down ice wrong. Maybe if you wanted that expensive ice you never intend to rez on Archives moves someplace else?

Dean Lister could help with the strength thing, but I do wonder what kind of ice you'd use it on. Even Rototurret costs 6 to derez, and most of the other derez and bypass tools work much better. A limitless derez tool is interesting nonetheless.

Diana's Hunt is balanced a bit by needing the program to be in hand, still looks great for putting down multiples though. There's also the combo with SacCon.

More cool Weyland upgrades is always welcome, I dare say upgrade spam will be a thing soon, likely out of Gagarin (higher trash), Titan (Armored Servers and influence), or Skorpios (resiliency against common strategies thanks to its ability).
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>>53830700
Yeah, upgrade spam certainly looks like it might have potential.
It's also nice that it synergises well with Weyland's walls and single sub ice - you have to break all the subs on them, it's not like maus where you can let the money sub fire
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>>53813607
What the fuck is shipment from tennin.
Don't you just ram some number of this into nbn tagstorm?
Oh you ran?
Cool HHN you.
Oh you didn't run?
Install shipment from tennin advance score beal/astro.
That card is scary good.

In it's home ground it's pretty damn good as well.
Typically you'll spend a lot of time being patient against Jinteki because of you go super aggressive you'll slam into traps, this lets them score free House of Knives if you go for that.
This card is actually fucking nuts.
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>>53830519
Any translations of these?
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>>53831266
Flashbang (Criminal)
Cost 5 MU 1
Program : Icebreaker, Killer
6 credits : Derez the currently encountered sentry ice
1 credit : strength + 1

Seedling Transfer (Jinteki)
4/2 agenda : security
When you score seedling transfer, you may rearrange any number of ice protecting any servers

Diana's Hunt (Shaper)
Cost 4
Event : run
Initiate a run. During the run, every time you encounter an ice, you can install a program from your grip, ignoring the install cost. When the run ends, trash every program installed using diana's hunts ability.

Fractal (Weyland)
Rez cost 4, trash cost 3
Upgrade : Security protocol
Every time all the subroutines of an ice protecting this servor is broken, trash the 2 top most cards of the runner's stack.
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>>53831230

Well, it's now either this or Boom! for the 3-6 inf now one would suppose.
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>>53831517
I like how all the discussion on the nuances in the translation were reduced to FRACTAL.
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>>53832684
I mean, if you know moon runes a better translation would certainly be appreciated
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Fractal/Bloodletter looks hilariously stupid.

Flashbang would need big sentries to make a come back I guess? Though with Maui an the like, might not be unmanageable, though specialized.

>>53830700
>Seedling Transfer looks pretty situational on its use, since you'd rarely be putting down ice wrong.

Mostly because the idea of positional ICE has been abandoned entirely by the general meta.
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>>53832951
I mean the discussion in which the literal translation says

>"Fractal Threatening Matrix"

>but "Fractalizing Matrix" might be closer to convey that this is a program that's defending the server not by resisting the runner but by replicating either itself or what it sees of the runner's data as they interact with the ICE endlessly to do harm.

>Another option would be to translate it as "Fractal Alarm Matrix", because an Alarm is something that would "threaten" the runner and it makes sense to someone that's just reading it for the first time and it's also not something the runner can deal with unless they get at The Source of it
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>>53833768
My two cents, I would go for Fractal Warning Matrix over Alarm just because I feel it rolls off the tongue better, and it is more immediately apparent that those two trashed cards are basically warning shots. It could even be "Fractal Matrix Warning", since Japanese subject and adjectives are different from English.

In essence though, it is a matrix of a fractal that is a threat. The blurb by Anson Rose might help shed some light on what the final translation could be, but I suspect it will forever be Fractal for the sake of ease, even post-release.
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>>53822569

The one they called Mr. Sunshine prided himself on his adherence to facts.
He trusted stories about as much as he trusted domesticated animals. Both things compromised.
In spite of himself though, he could not deny a certain beauty to the attempts of young Thanin in translating his unique experience through metaphors.
This is how poetry gets born, he decided, before brushing the thought aside.

The facts were thus.

Trying to escape from something (another runner baiting him into this? Would need to be checked), Thanin had bumped into a new, unusual entry point.
He had managed to get into one of the most protected servers of his employer. He had accessed the sensitive data, but made no copy of it.
He had not understood what he had browsed of it - though Mr Sunshine strongly suspected he understood more than he was letting on.
He had then proceeded to run the same server over and over again, for the enjoyment of it - as panicked security on the other side kept updating.

The facts did no justice to the succor of infinite cold teeth, the fluttering stabs of sour treble on the wind or the swarming smoothness of barking strikes.

The facts could not touch the only truth that mattered. Mr. Sunshine would not, could not, kill the child in front of him.
The killing of children was not unknown to him, but innocence still mattered. The past still mattered.

He had to make a call. He knew he would pay dearly for it.
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>>53824067

So what's that story all about then? Did anyone get a missile/rocket to the face?
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>>53834164
>The blurb by Anson Rose
That in the moonrunes, or just from his card?
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>>53836185
The flavor text on Fractol has his name listed, he says something about data loops. Not that good at moonrunes to figure out the whole thing though.
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In the current maremagnum of barriers available, what's your opinion on Wall of Static?
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>>53837707
Battlement 4 - 6.

Seriously though, it's fine, you just don't normally need it over whatever gearcheck/taxing barrier you have in faction. Understandable why we're seeing less of it.
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>>53838681
Actually, after checking through in-faction barriers, most factions are losing a decent amount of their gear check barriers post-rotation, leaving only the expensive or porous ones. Only Weyland is coming out well with multiple functionally different gear checks, and to a slight extent NBN thanks to the permanent Resistor. I doubt Wall of Static would be regularly chosen over importing good stuff or Vanilla, but it could see more splashes with time.
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>>53836175

Someone has been shot offscreen, if that counts..

Need to wrap this up. Hopefully I can manage in no more than two posts, don't want the silly thing to overstay its welcome.

>>53837707

It's pretty vanilla.

>>53839060
>most factions are losing a decent amount of their gear check barriers

With Vanilla and Wall of Static staying, I don't see this being much of an issue, but the disappearance of Eli 1.0, Himitsu Bako and Wraparound is certainly going to be felt.
Having this pointed out, I'm looking at Battlement's 4 influence a bit differently now (not saying it makes so much sense - Self-Adapting Code Wall is free, but it makes more).
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>>53840231
I knew Himitsu was, because it's a staple in my Jinteki, but that's a cool and interesting point - seems like Weyland's getting a little more exclusivity in that area
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Bump

Ele "Smoke" Scovak: Cynosure of the Net

Event (10)
1x Careful Planning
3x Dirty Laundry
3x Möbius ●●●
3x Sure Gamble

Hardware (5)
1x Clone Chip
2x Maya
2x Top Hat

Resource (13)
2x Beth Kilrain-Chang
3x Daily Casts
3x Fan Site
2x Net Mercur
2x Temüjin Contract ●●●●
1x The Shadow Net

Icebreaker (6)
1x Brahman
1x Dagger
2x Houdini
1x Paperclip ●●●
1x Switchblade ●●

Program (7)
2x Cloak
2x Equivocation
3x Self-modifying Code

15 influence spent (max 15, available 0)
41 cards (min 40)
Cards up to Terminal Directive

Deck built on https://netrunnerdb.com.
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>>53837707
I deckbuild for sealed a fair bit. I'm always happy to see this old standby in my pool. Can't speak for constructed as much, the game's very different when parasucker, knifed or a scorch package are harder to come by.

Admittedly, I look at cards through the sealed lens by default now, so I'm very naïve when it comes to what people might call "boring," like battlement. I was pretty interested when I saw it, even if it is pretty vanilla. Respectable end the run.

Rotation has me excited to see what everyone does for gearchecking, especially after seeing >>53840231
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>>53844499 #
I need to get some sealed games going, been interested in it, but I didn't want to burden the two players that have the full card pool. Does it work fine with a small card pool too? Something like single Core, TD, C&C, Flashpoint, and Mars?
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>>53846420

No harm giving that format a go. Its also decent as an introduction of sorts to Cache Refresh format, seeing how most runners would pick C&C as their box. Corps would miss D&D though...
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>>53844499
What is sealed in Netrunner?
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>>53848205
Draft packs (which were never all that popular), and you can make cubes.
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>>53848205

See from the OP:
http://anrsealed.com/

>The Sealed format is an alternative format for Android: Netrunner. You must build a deck from a pack of 85 random cards. anrsealed generates these packs so that they are all balanced

It's a nice format if you're tired of the hyper-efficient mean machines of constructed. Teaches you value of every card.

Exodus capsule review: run-of-the-mill.
One of those books where, once set up, you know where everything is going. Enjoyable romp, competently written, though I'm sad there's not more time spent on actual running. Tenma is more smuggler than runner in this.
Definitely enjoyable though. Always to see more Caprice (aka the Android Universe's punching bag).
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>>53848930
Caprice has a hard life
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>>53850119

One can only imagine what terribad things happened to her 2+ elder sisters

>>53848639

Bit of a shame that. If the drafts had more alt arts and/or full bleeds, there might have been a bit more demand for them.

Now, even the first cycle packs aren't that worth it any more, with SanSan in the champ deck and rotation incoming.
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Interesting interaction last game:

I rush IAA a NEXT Wave 2. The runner would generally run the remote to at least force me to spend on the gear check etr ICE... but if he does, he lets me rez the NEXT ICE that arms the agenda (and given previous game I had done the very same then Defective Brainchip AA score, the hesitation was strong.

I like how it rewires acquired reflexes.
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>>53851124

While I'm at it, been digging Black Level Clearance against central-focused, event heavy decks. Especially mid-run install the very few times it happened.

How hard do you want that AS to land?
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>>53851224

I must say, that Ice Cream shop deck is so much fun to play.
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>>53851653
>Ice Cream shop
The whatnow?
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>>53851716

https://netrunnerdb.com/en/decklist/43265/butchershot-ice-cream-parlour-24th-at-euros-

No kidding its way more janky fun then all the asset spam.
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>>53851224
How do you mid-run install BLCs?
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>>53853039
Mmmm, looks... killy
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>>53853967

In that case, NEXT Opal - which, as much jank as it is, I'm finding so interesting to play. I dig having one on HQ. Between it and Tapestry you can have some pretty fun moves.
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>>53834405

The few moments that followed felt like a compressed eternity of silence, though there is no such thing as silence.
Only variable thresholds of noise filtering.

To Mr. Sunshine, the silence was a silence that ignored everything Thanin was yearning to hear. It was a silence that meant the lack of a detectable threat. He still had time. The zone was secure.
To Thanin, the silence was the hollowing out of everything that had meant life in his home. No reception for the sounds of safety and habit, drowned in his heartbeat getting haywire.

Until the welcome high-pitched buzzing of a PAD being turned on.

"Hello love. I know you are not happy to see me, but we have to talk."

There was the long-winded expiration of someone smoking, an audible punctuation sign that meant both "fuck you" and "go on".

"I have on hands a volatile asset that could prove of interest to your brain-mapping division. A runner. Self-taught by the look of it. Managed to create neural pathways for personal interface with no sense of sight.
- And, even if I was interested, why would you be telling me this?
- Because making potentially lucrative assets disappear until the most opportune moment is what you do.
- Don't insult me, not when we both know you're asking me a favor. You know what I mean, why me and not your employer? How hot is that asset of yours?
- I know you cast a wide net, love, but I am certain he is way too young for you. You should also pay closer attention to where you are standing."

Thanin couldn't map the sound that followed from the other side. It was a violent hit on something wet. Made him shiver.
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(Bonus point if I managed to make the exec identifiable without naming her, I guess)

>>53858862

"Damn it Sunshine, if I end up below par, I swear I'll double my price.
- You will have to name it first, love.
- Fine, I so happen to have some different with one of your guys, one Mr Stone.
- That is... unfortunate.
- For you. He's my asking price. I want my different solved.
- Do you know what it is you are asking?
- I know I have something you want and you have nothing I need. Yes or no?
- You will be the death of me, woman. Yes.
- Fine, I'm sending you coordinates of one of my secretaries. Pleasure doing business with you. Pray I do well in that game.
- You know you always do."

The buzz died.

Another silence had eaten away at the others, tense like a prelude.

Thanin understood he had been sold. Sold at a negative price, though he couldn't picture why.

The man finally removed the gun from his head.

"Do not worry. You shall be taken care of."
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>>53859237

In the end, Thanin proved a lucrative asset indeed, a bioroid security protocol named after him.

Though the scientists and the corporate people were good to him - most of them genuine in their desire to help even - he would never find his place in the world of the beautiful people, where getting a new face and eyes was about as common as getting a new car. There was something gross he could never stomach in that discrepancy of fortune. Even when it showered on him.

A few years into adulthood, he would disappear from Levy University, where he was doing well enough, drifting back to the only thing he could remember had ever made the world make sense to him.

The runner world embraced him at a distance and he forever remained a misfit among misfits, . He never became one of the greats, no one looked up to him, but then he never got caught ever again.

Despite obsessive researches, he would never find any trace of Mr. Sunshine. He would never see his sister again.

At nights the memory of a man gently carrying him over to his new life, echoing steps in a corridor, a broken stride stepping over something that wasn't meant to be laying on the floor, with the stench of blood, intoxicating, would haunt him.

Sometimes he would weep.
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So for those who have played in a regionals and Cache format in particular, how was it?
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>>53856457

If Opal got errated/faq'ed to have a 'may' in the subroutine(s), it would actually be somewhat usable elsewhere.
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>>53859237
The only exec I can think of that has a "game" is pic related?
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>>53862689
cache was pretty bad, imo. all the terrible cards you love from the last two cycles, none of the tools you need to combat them

also don't think much of the way players drop in from the double-elim bracket. they may end up playing only one cache game and come equal first because they're gifted all but one win from the previous rounds
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>>53864633

And here I thought I had been too obvious.
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Let me know what you think

Tortoise surveillance (46 cards)
Omar Keung: Conspiracy Theorist
-- event (13 cards)
2 Account Siphon ****
3 Day Job
2 Déjà Vu
2 Notoriety **
1 Showing Off
3 Sure Gamble
-- hardware (4 cards)
2 MemStrips
2 Obelus
-- program (18 cards)
2 Black Orchestra
2 Datasucker
3 Diwan
2 Lamprey
2 Medium
2 MKUltra
1 Nerve Agent
2 Paperclip
2 Parasite *
-- resource (11 cards)
1 Activist Support
2 Counter Surveillance
2 Joshua B.
2 Liberated Account
2 The Shadow Net
2 Wireless Net Pavilion

12/12 influence

Download Android Netrunner DeckBuilder for free at https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.shuneault.netrunnerdeckbuilder
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Shadow Net/Notoriety seems a lot of work here to me when SOT exists. Apart from Sure Gamble, no event that make it particularly worthwhile - Singularity or High Stakes or Levy AR... Now that I think of it, can you Shadow Net a Paper Tripping?

Don't know how Lamprey will fit in there. You want to abuse its windows, and while I won't say there is no cool interactivity with Keung's ability, you can only use that once per turn.

Deck seems eagerly waiting on Jarogniew.

You probably want some more support draw. Obelus can take you far once out, but it needs out. And you need the tools to make it work.
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>>53867646
>>53867786

Keung wouldn't have been my first go to for Counter Surveillance given the click costs makes it so you cannot use it along his ability. But then I could see it help to work if you can force a proper thinning of defenses.

That said, the explosive Medium + CS turns should be hilarious.
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>>53867646
Adding onto >>53867786, the virus package in general doesn't really look like it meshes with pre- and post-tag me, or sets up for the Surveillance turn. Don't forget you need the credits to pay for the accesses per tag too, and running to benefit from the viruses will probably sap away your gas pretty fast, especially since they can just purge everything. I'd suggest building up from a DLR build or something, since it shares some similarities.
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>>53867580
Huh, if not her then who?

>>53859866
>>53859237
>>53858862
>>53834405
Pretty good fic
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>>53867786

Shadow Net is awesome with fan sites I guess? A great supplement to SoT in that situation.
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>>53868367

No, no, it is her.

Really shouldn't post before the first coffee if I hope to make sense.

And glad someone liked it.
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Thank you all.

>>53867786
Shadow Net / Notoriety are not part of a combo. Of course the synergy is there. But I included both for separate reasons. Omar helps spreading the ICE thin across the central servers, and having an easier route for archives already checks 2 servers to play Notoriety.
Shadow Net on the other hand is there as trash bait, siphon recursion, sure gambles and day jobs. To be honest I'm not too worried about having to forfeit agendas.
I want better events, but I'm not sure what to cut for it. I even considered Fear the Masses. With the draw and the handsize I could hold them all while playing the same Fear the masses from archives every time.

True that about Lamprey. The deck started with a couple Festers. Maybe I could bring them back again.

I agree I need more draw. I started the concept with Duggar's. With the hand size and Joshua I could install it and draw 10. But again, I need Obelus installed and a bunch of tags. This needs further thinking.

>>53867852
Deck started as a concept deck of how Keung would play. I added his conspiracy breakers and Obelus because they are his console, and then Diwan to make installing ICE on Archives expensive. And some multiaccess virus to exploit the ability.
Then I needed tagging for Obelus, so Siphons and Joshua were added.
Since I already had the tagging. Why not Counter Surveillance? That's how I reached that point. It doesn't matter it's a nonbo. The good ICE is being installed in Archives.

>>53868278
I thought of DLR, but prefer to avoid it. I wanted the deck to be based around running. As i mentioned above, Fear the Masses seems closer to what I want if I were to mill. The rest is close to others DLR builds.
Good point on the econ, this deck is expensive to run, even with the parasites to clear a bit of the field. Not only CS, maybe Notoriety is too much.

>>53868378
Yeah, I considered Fan Sites. But I wasn't too worried about recurring events. As long as the Corp was trashing my Shadow Nets.
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>>53868773
After your comments I'm considering dropping Notoriety, lamprey, Showing Off, maybe 1 Shadow Net (the idea of playing 3 Siphons and a Counter Surveillance in a single turn is still very interesting). Thank you.

I'm also doubting the whole virus package. Maybe I can avoid them altogether to include Fear The Masses.
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>>53868773
If you don't have any attachments to Obelus, I'd suggest going Vamp+MOpus+Desperado over it and Siphons, with Jarogniew Mercs for protection/tagging. Additional BP cards will help make runs cheaper and negate All-Seeing I as well. You could benefit off of runs better with fixed breakers + Sucker tokens too, but that would probably be overreliant on running.
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>>53859866

God I made a mess of the editing when rewriting that.

>>53867646

Was actually thinking doing something somewhat similar (but then I'm thinking we're all going toward a similar place with Keung when building on a hunch).

Main question for me is; what do I want to turn expensive the most?
The creation of servers, with a Diwan/Network Exchange package, the rezzing of ICE, with a Xanadu/Santiago package, or go all in for both?

From a play-over-efficiency standpoint, I'd rather a solid, reliable one run per turn than a big abusive windows followed by drought, so I'm drifting toward the first package.

Going that way, the next question becomes the viability of Incubator/Fester support...
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Has anyone began experimenting with post-rotation decks now that most of this cycle has been spoiled / released?
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>>53871971
I've deckbuilt a bit with that, but nothing out of the ordinary. The impact with rotation is more in the meta than in the individual decks.
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>>53871971
Not yet, and it's very easy to forget how many of your staples are from them
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>>53873165

Weirdly, it's not even the staples I'm going to miss most - I've been preparing, and in some cases hoping for their departure.

It's the small time personal love-cards. For one I'm going to miss.Scheherazade. I don't think most people will cry for the lil' daemon, but I'll miss it dearly.

Or, say, RSVP.
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>>53871971
Corp deck should be fine, only losses are GRNDL Refinery (swapping with Illegal Arms Factory, two cards per turn is fun) and Mills (a third Hedge Fund probably, gonna want some Slums tech, but atleast NACH is gone). Losing Hostage and Underworld Contact drip will probably kill my Crim deck though, which I'm sad about, though I don't think I'll need to start from scratch.
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Happy Janksgiving is a thing now.
The rise of the Jank.
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Phily regionals was won by a Kate jank deck with Deus X with Adjusted Matrix, E3 Feedback Implants and Deep Data Mining.
Congrats to Josh.
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>>53874734
>>53874835

The New God is real.
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>>53873309
I feel the same way about DRT and the Cleaners, the latter in particular, as it doesn't have any obvious successors the way DRT does (and it totally feels like it could be a Big Box or Core option, being so very Weyland)
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>>53875865
What's the obvious successor for DRT?
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>>53875940

I'm guessing Mr. Stone?
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>>53875940

A few options, though I don't know any is obvious. Would go with Chief Slee myself.

Mr Sone could fit the bill. Drone Screen, like it or not.
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>>53875940
PriSec, Judge, KP and Stone - none a 100% match, but they function similarly.

Speaking of the big box, I find it amusing that Firmware Updates, in Titan, is most commonly used by Yale for cash rather than improving ice. Especially with the 23 seconds, and with what Rose (who's also an exec) does as a card
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>>53876286
>>53876210
>>53876301
Then I assume The Cleaners have its counterpart in Crisis management, while Vulcan Coverup has it in Show of Force and Meteor Mining.
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>>53876339
Despite wining me a game once, CM is hot garbage - I truly hope it's not meant as a equivalent of the Cleaners
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>>53876301

I don't know about KP and Judge. Wouldn't picture them as DRT replacements myself: they do the tagging that DRT requires, but bring none of the damage it threatens.

>>53876339

Show of Force/Vulcan, I definitely agree.

The multiplication of *all* other effects The Cleaners brings is far too valuable to even be comparable.

Other cards bring damage, The Cleaners magnify damage.

In a way, I can see how you could say the multiplication of small damage source - à la Jinteki - is what is replacing The Cleaners, but then it is exactly what The Cleaners called for as a complement in the first place.
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>>53813653
Does Sattelite Grid count for Mass Comm?

I need to know...for reasons...
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>>53878440

Yes it does, you dirty mind you.

Amusing one from TD I got from friends playing the campaign with full card pool: since each Evidence Collection has a different number, you can know by card reveal (say Enhanced Vision) if HQ has several different copies.

Something of very tiny, amusing oversight of sort.
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>>53879004

Well, the TD campaign wasn't exactly balanced to take the full pool into account, so thats that.
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>>53879827

Yeah, oversight is definitely too strong a word, I just couldn't find a synonym that would do this justice.
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I'm thinking of building an aggressive Alice Merchant list to punish ice light decks by trying to force a turn one triple Ice centrals.

The general idea is to run punishing effects for HQ and R&D while also pressuring archives just with Alice's Text.

However when I actually try to build this I never end up happy with it, anyone got any ideas?
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>>53880674
So what do you have to build on? Presumably we're on Maw, Bhagat, Medium and Demo Run. Multi-Lamprey? Depending on your focus, you'll presumably want either Equivocation or Account Siphon? Or maybe all in on both? Temujin also desirable if you're making a runner deck that's actually running
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>>53880985
Not anon but I'm thinking, since we are trashing HQ cards, maybe System Outage to punish drawing cards.
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I posted a preliminary version of this jank deck in the last thread, so I figured I'd share the updated version after getting some more feedback.

Null: Whistleblower

Event (14)
3x Day Job
3x Dirty Laundry
1x Hacktivist Meeting
2x I've Had Worse
1x Levy AR Lab Access ●●●
1x Making an Entrance
3x Sure Gamble

Hardware (9)
1x Brain Cage
2x Cyberfeeder
1x MemStrips
1x Net-Ready Eyes ●●
2x Severnius Stim Implant
1x Skulljack
1x Ubax ●●●

Resource (17)
1x Aaron Marrón ●●
2x Adjusted Chronotype
2x Beach Party
2x Chrome Parlor
3x Daily Casts
2x Dean Lister
2x Duggar's
1x Ice Carver
1x The Shadow Net
1x The Source ●●

Icebreaker (4)
1x Chameleon ●●●
3x Darwin

Program (6)
2x Datasucker
1x Medium
3x Origami

15 influence spent (max 15, available 0)
50 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Terminal Directive
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Idea for HB click tax - use pic related to get Mason and Ryon in the same servers
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>>53883318
I'd cut Making an entrance, and we might be exaggerating with Beach Party AND Origami. If you want the beach party we can add the GeneShop to play 2 Beach Party for 15 hand size.
On the other hand we can play Paige Piper, install origami, trash the other 2 and install them with Retrieval Run or something.
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>>53885131
I want this AA but it's so expensive.
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>>53885149
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Ripping off a reddit post on Boggs' latest interview:

>Regarding the MWL, he says:

>Estelle : "Strong Contender"

>Friends in High Places : "It will not only cost one more influence..."

>Aaron Marron : "Going in"

>24/7 News Cycle : Hasn't decided yet, recognizes as problematic.

>NAPD Contract : Might come off.

>Accelerated Diagnostics : "A candidate"

Whatever the end result looks like, it seems Boggs' intends to update it frequently, which will probably appease the competitive community. I worry a bit that the new additions will be somewhat reactive, and that he could end up being a yes man to the Netrunner hivemind, but I guess the priority is to forcefully bump up competitive deck diversity and faction representation over waiting for natural meta shifts.
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>>53886286

Not much point sticking soon-to-be-rotated stuff on the list methinks. But its good to see updates to the MWL sooner rather then later.
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>>53886286
Oh, I'm sure he's a yes man. I liked that Damon approached the MWL from a design POV. He was blind to some aspects but I liked that approach to balance some cards that escaped the flawed testing.

Boggs is approaching the MWL as a way to balance the meta. Problem with this is that there will always be a single top deck that 70% of competitive players are going to copy.
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What if Friends in High Places had been limited to ICE?
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>>53886621
Nobody would play it. It would be a meta call for anarch ice trashing and Aginfusion.
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>>53887204
>Nobody would play it.

Overstatement. Would that be a bad thing though? It would be a useful narrow card instead of an abuse-able one.

>It would be a meta call for anarch ice trashing and Aginfusion.

Which I think it was meant to be. The designers just didn't want it to be too on the nose. Wanted it to have more room to breath.
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I can only wonder what else besides Friends would be in tier 2?

If Aaron does get MWL'ed, would crims still slot him or lose him? Inf problems all over again...
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>>53887793
I don't know, given how strongly Boggs seems to have felt about it in the interview (he seemed a bit pissed that he didn't listen when people said to put it on his first MWL), so I could see it as 3

I could see Aaron and Moon on 2 - they're both very strong, but they're also pretty cool cards
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>>53887947

If she goes on at all she'd probably be fine at tier 1, though I suppose I'd be pretty happy to see her at 2 personally. Really any kind of influence bump would help there but Friends is still clearly the most egregious offender that needs to be dealt with in that equation I think.
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>>53887947
>>53887793
I personally think Moon is going to end up being one more influence. Aaron will probably be tier 2 along with Friends, simply due to the fact that while they are both great cards, they simply do too much for the price they are. I could potentially see Faust being dropped to tier 2, simply because it could be played more out of faction then. Any weird out of faction Faust deck was murdered by it being a tier 3 card.
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>>53884877
I didn't even think about using Paige Piper to help cycle cards out of the deck. I'll remove Making an entrance to switch it up a bit. I'm not sure what I would remove influence wise to be able to include GeneShop; maybe The Source?

I was also considering removing Chameleon and Ubax to have enough influence to replace Darwin with Mammon, but I'm not sure if that will be better or worse for more frequent runs to build up medium counters.
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>>53889024
Well, that's because you don't want to cycle cards out of the deck, that's what Severnius is for.
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>>53890691
I was thinking about using it to cycle out second copies of duggard's, but it would be ridiculous to waste cards when they can be kept in hand to boost breaker strength.
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>>53886459
>Problem with this is that there will always be a single top deck that 70% of competitive players are going to copy.
I agree, it will definitely take work to get the meta into a landscape where no deck gets singled out as strongest, and I fear a bit that catering to the whims of the hivemind will tire him out. Nothing to do but wait I suppose, the community (seemingly) got what wished for, updated MWLs as soon as they can call a card broken/OP, we'll have to see if that's for the better or for the worse.

>>53887947
Does Aaron even do any work recently? The current craze seems to be Shaper lock decks, and those rarely if ever have any Aarons in them.
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>>53891969
Depends if you consider making decks he works against obsolete just by existing as doing work - Aaron existing means people play less tag-n-bag, which means people play less aaron
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>>53892687
Tangentially related
I liked how Geist with decoys/forger could avoid Siphon tags and draw 2 cards while doing it.
I get the feeling that the existence of Aaron cheapens this combo. Making getting rid of tags trivial. BN is outrageous but Aaron is just OP. On the Lam feels better overall.
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>>53892910
Yeah, Mr Marron is the Rumour Mill to On the Lam's Councilman/Pol Op
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24/7 News Cycle + the I've Got a Rock agenda?

>>53892687
>>53892991
Fair. I still think the "solution" is to give tags more than he can handle, but with the Rumor Mill comparison I can see why he should be on the list. Too bad he didn't have 5 influence to begin with instead of the 2 he has, keeping him a Crim only tool would've probably been fairer instead of letting him be widespread, though the Siphon combo is still inexcusable.
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>>53893133
That should be a good time in Jemison decks. Just throw rocks at the runner until they go away.
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I Credit Crash to get rid of an Adonis Campaign.

The corp pays 4 to prevent the Credit Crash free trash... can I see trash it normally?
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>>53894802
Yes
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>>53894981

Thanks. Glad to hear I didn't read that one wrong.
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>>53892687

Doesn't all the MCA informants do anything?
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So I just watched a Fisk deck mill out a Skorpios, which props to the player is kind of hilarious, but it seems to me it could have just won in half the time by running Archives:

https://youtu.be/dv7jc4w-FMM

So I don't know what to think. Is it a really dumb deck or is it actually kind neat?
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>>53896553
>Is it a really dumb deck or is it actually kind neat?

The two propositions are not mutually exclusive.

As I said about milling in a previous thread: going for the strict-mill is going to be a conscious decision on the player's part, as most of the times (I can think of exceptions *cough* Jinteki *cough*) going for support mill and access to archives should prove the optimal solution for win.
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>>53896553
>could have just won in half the time by running Archives:
Applies more often than you'd think, especially with mill decks like DLR

>>53896264
Point, recently swapped my HHN for it (I was too poor most of the time anyway) and it's been doing work
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>>53896553

Cute one. As someone that has played a lot of Fisk, it's nice to see. Making the corp Equivocation-draw the agendas was a nice touch.

Bonus point for the Feint.
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>>53897580

I mean really, it's not as if crims need more nerfing yet again. As it is, they are hardly to be seen at many top tables of recent tourneys for some strange reasons.
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>>53888657

Would Friends still be that brutal once Jackson gets rotated though? Still, it would be quite shocking if it ends up on Tier 2+.
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>>53898794
The match up against Moon is probably unfavorable enough to see less Crims especially, which I guess is kinda odd with Aeneas and Temujin around.

Wonder if they'd consider a separate MWL that only bumps up influence for importing to other factions; Aaron's only good because you see him everywhere, if he's harder to import then he'll probably be felt less. There's still the Rumor Mill comparison, but if just the idea of potentially less Rumor Mills managed to bump up the number of glacier decks, then it would probably work the same for Aaron.
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>>53902126
It is odd, with Siphon, Aeneas and Temujin... Maybe they need The Source and Fall guys to make FA harder?
Aeneas makes it so checking every remote is highly profitable.
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>>53903187
Maybe it's just draw problems? You do need to get those cards down before you can benefit from them, and asset spam can often get going faster than typical Crim draws.
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>>53903286
Oh god, maybe Iain creepy sleepover is the solution? That would be hilarious.
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>>53903330
Hmm, maybe - not 1-to-1, but it's a sound idea.

Some new faces at the party include the Aeneas guys, Aaron, maybe Jak from Globalsec and Beth, but the concept seems solid
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>>53903330
Relying on Off-Campus Apartment could be dangerous in a world with Best Defense though, but that does seem pretty silly. There's also the new Shaper console Daredevil, which should atleast produce returns on central runs, as well as Laguna Velasco District.
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>>53903938
For now at least we have fall guys
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>>53903965
We also have thing that let you trash cards to prevent trashing a card of the same type. Dummy box was its name?
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>>53904072
Yeah that's a good point - looks like a decent enough replacement when Fall Guy rotates - course it's not as efficient, but Fall Guy is kinda dumb in how good it is.

I've made a quick Sleepover deck (Rebirth Andi over Iain because I'm a scrub), gonna give it a whirl - though I suck at runner, so idk how well it'll go. Made quite a few swaps, and still not sure if councilfam or plop is better for Moon.
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>>53904220
I'd vote for Councilman since the most common way Moon is used is install Moon, rez, install, Friends. Councilman forces them to hide Moon somewhere, wait till the end of your turn, then rez. Obviously she gets more value if you let her through, but in an Aeneas Informant deck you'll be able to check everything and profit doing so, unless they double Mirrormorph then Friends or something.
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>>53903187

Perhaps a Medium or 2 might help, although even that has its limits.
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Fun game against a Keung/Find the Truth deck.

Makes me want to try it.
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Self-damaging clan looks pretty nasty - I just lost to it, having done no damage (well, my Cleaners cause the Titanium Ribs to be 3 instead of 2), but being able to wipe someone's hand after a whiffed mad dash and a couple of cybernetics installs is pretty great
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>>53909583

I've done it, with cybernetics, you can go full on with that plan using both Clan Vengeance and Office Frank.

Trash HQ while installing cybernetics/running mad with the good officer. Keep Clan Vengeance for the right moments (popping that huge Clan Vengeance right after a Moon pop but before the corp could install anything is really satisfying).

It's interesting as it becomes another potential way to make System Outage interesting. leaving the corp with nothing in HQ, forcing it to draw.
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>>53909763
That is a cool idea, I like it.

The runner I was against used Brain Chip and Origami as well (though they only found 1 of the latter), seemed a good shout (also they were Alice, so they had room
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>>53908301
That's interesting, depending on what's on top you may access R&D or HQ. What did he use as leverage for HQ runs? I'm thinking Baghat.
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>>53911318

Baghat + Nerve Agent.

I like playing against that guy. just going turn one click one Frantic Coding -> Medium; you know you're in for a treat of a game.
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>>53911472
I think I'd go Baghat/Maw, every run on HQ trashes 2 cards!
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>>53911645

All three works. But yeah, that could be a fun deck.
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Gabe never looks anything like consistent, even his arm hasn't been confirmed for one side or the other
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Steve Cambridge also looks way different in the... 2 cards he's in.
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>>53916825
Actually not sure that that is him.

Even if it's not though, the cards he appears on have widely different styles for him - Core, Power Tap, pic related and his alt all have wildly different styles
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>>53916825

I like to imagine it's because Gabe is so good at his job hardly anyone has ever even seen him in person.

So what we get is the various imagined versions of him as a legendary runner.
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>>53917265
He doesn't come off so much as a legendary runner in Infiltration, but that's probably just the nature of the thing. Still damn competent though, easily one of the better guys in the crew along with Monica and Mr. W
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Ok, stupid, stupid idea, but I've been wanting to do something with the card for a while so... Reaver Khan.

Reaver allows you to draw a card the first time each turn you trash an installed cards.

Valid targets:
- Bank Job, Armitage, Temujin when you're out of credits.
- Tapwrm on purge (bonus: it's on the corp's turn)
- The B&E suite.
- GPI Net Tap on jack out/Autoscripter on failed run.
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>>53918323
I like it, and with Rosetta around tutoring wouldn't be too hard either. Especially love the Autoscripter interaction. I guess unless the the card specifies that the corp trashes a card, then it is always the Runner that trashes? Other potential non-influence targets could be (not rotating):

Spy Cam
Q-Coherence Chip
Sports Hopper
Grappling Hook
Crash Space
Decoy
Maxwell James
Muertos Gang Member
PolOp
Rolodex
The Black File
Tri-Maf Contact
Zona Sul Shipping
Biometric Spoofing
Citadel Sanctuary
Councilman
Dadiana Chacon
Daily Casts
Dean Lister
Earthrise Hotel
Shards
Ghost Runner
Officer Frank
Rachel Beckman
Same Old Thing
Tech Writer
The Source

Muertos, Zona-Sul and Tri-Maf are especially interesting to note, since it lessens the punishment a bit. Muertos especially if you can get the corp to rez everything, will work damn well with Reaver.
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>>53919518

My two main problems right now are:
- Is there a way to build this that wouldn't in the end be better off in Geist (i.e: what are the trashed cards that benefit from it that aren't "trash effects", and are there strong enough synergies that we can make it worthwhile?).
- what game plan would work with that hyper efficient, fast but not particularly resilient shell?

I think there's something. Not necessarily something great for competitive play, but something that can be made to work and be interesting to play.
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>>53909583
Currently playing one of these. Even if sometimes it doesn't work, it's still super fun
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>>53921542
When do you aim to trash HQ? I have trouble finding the correct moment.
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>>53922785
I've only been aiming to trash full HQs, but for reference there's so many fun moments to fire. Most common is directly after their mandatory draw, leave them with nothing else to do but draw. Having a Hades on the board is also good fun for quashing Jacksons.

Sweetest is playing any kind of combo deck though. I managed to ping a Rail Gun for their Accelerated Diag just after they played Hasty. Also watch for anyone who plays Biotic Labor BEFORE installing a fast advance agenda. Even practiced players accidentally do that sometimes.
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>>53919837
The self trashing staples like Daily Casts and Earthrise looks pretty important, and stuff like Dean Lister and Spy Cam is probably strong enough to ignore the "better in Geist" thing. There's also less traditional stuff like Councilman, the gang member cards, and Rachel Beckman.

Looking at the synergistic cards makes me think of a derez strat, especially since bird breakers and Autoscripter mean runs with a bird derez doesn't cost a click in Khan. And maybe Dhegdeer + if she has the spare influence? Deep Data Mining too if we go the Q-Coherence Chip path.
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>>53909583
I think Alice might get some traction in the competitive meta. I find her ability super opressive with Bhagat and Maw. Maw plus Aeneas is super good too.
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>>53924129
One thing I do like is that Alice pretty much demands you actually have ice in your deck, even more so than Omar - I was pretty lucky (in a game I lost, even) in that my opening hand I had 3 ice so the runner wasn't just going to ping me with mills
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>>53923041
Oh also ya boi Fisk Investment Seminar to refill the Corp's hand then Clan Vengeance it away again
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>>53880674
>>53882529
As of right now this is the list

Alice Merchant: Clan Agitator

2 MKUltra
3 System Outage
3 Sure Gamble
2 Keyhole
1 Inject
2 Scrubber
1 Account Siphon ●●●●
1 Aaron Marrón ●●
1 Planned Assault ●●
2 Temüjin Contract ●●●●●●
2 Black Orchestra
2 Spooned
1 Nerve Agent
3 Day Job
3 Eater
3 Same Old Thing
2 Paperclip
3 Dirty Laundry
3 I've Had Worse
1 Forked
1 Knifed
2 Bhagat
1 Trope
2 Maw
1 Daily Casts
2 Street Peddler

I haven't tested this version of the deck.
It has ways to pressure R&D and HQ, while Alice's ability pressures Archives.
I only run the two Keyholes as pressuring R&D, but I find it hard to run anymore without splashing into shaper for some events.
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>>53925274

Seems like I'm the only one who likes the card but... have you considered Hemorrhage?
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>>53925310
That's interesting. After running Archives and something else for Maw you have enough counters to trash another card.
Even more, you could use Hemorrhage for the corp to discard the padding and the random trash to put even more pressure. That way you aren't trashing wasting her ability to trash shit.
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>>53925355

One things also to consider. The real danger of Hemorrhage starts when you have more than one on the table.

I love the card and still look fondly to the old Tenma/Hemorrhage deck. When you got that thing going, there was no HQ, the corp was limited to the card(s) it drew on its turn.
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Exodus extra images, now in PDF form
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That makes all 3
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This one is actually scanned - though of course we should all be grateful that we have the pics that made up the other two at all
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>>53929859
>>53929827
>>53929644
cheers!
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>>53925274
I had to do it. Here is the decklist organized.

Alice Merchant: Clan Agitator

Event (22)
1x Account Siphon ●●●●
3x Day Job
3x Dirty Laundry
1x Forked
3x I've Had Worse
1x Inject
1x Knifed
1x Planned Assault ●●
2x Spooned
3x Sure Gamble
3x System Outage

Hardware (2)
2x Maw

Resource (13)
1x Aaron Marrón ●●
2x Bhagat
1x Daily Casts
3x Same Old Thing
2x Scrubber
2x Street Peddler
2x Temüjin Contract ●●●●

Icebreaker (9)
2x Black Orchestra
3x Eater
2x MKUltra
2x Paperclip

Program (4)
2x Keyhole
1x Nerve Agent
1x Trope

12 influence spent (max 15, available 3)
50 cards (min 50)
Cards up to Blood and Water

Deck built on https://netrunnerdb.com.
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Another Khan venture: Brahman.

Use Khan's free ability to install a B&E with express purpose to feed Brahman, which gives you an Autoscripter click, Technical Writer/Scheherazade money.

Yes, this is getting ridiculous, but we can make things worse: Daredevil support!
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>>53934144
I always thought Masanori was a nice addition for Brahman. That way you are drawing whatever you are putting on top of your stack. No click wasted on drawing.
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>>53933994

Was about to say I was surprised by no DemoRun, but then Keyhole over Medium.

I'm interested in your results with System Outage in that configuration. Once you get this in testing.
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>>53934235

My man John will be leaving soon sadly.

>>53929644
>>53929827

Oh nice, thanks for doing this.
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So are we to get worried or in the expectative that there still hasn't been any announcement for post mars releases?
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>>53917615

I do wonder whether the rest of the crew would appear as an asset or as a connection first?

Aside from inside man I guess?
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Only Mr White and Marilyn are yet to be seen in Netrunner (I'll take it Marilyn Campaign is perfectly unrelated). Marilyn as vehicle support card?
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>>53937003

We just got announcements for GoT, SWs, and even MoM, so yeah I'm starting to get concerned as well.
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>>53937024
>>53937197
As specific connections they've not appeared, but other than Mr White they've all appeared in art (though Marilyn only as the new advert, so maybe that doesn't count) - John's on Infiltration and Temujin, while Monica is on: Freelancer, Infiltration, Best Defence and Subcontract (I might be forgetting one)

>>53940150
>>53937003
I'd a little concerned with how long it's taking, but it's going to be the most important cycle for the future of the game, and Boggs mentioned in an interview that, while Damon did most of it, there's still a fair bit for him to work on in the fine-tuning

Also FFG isn't a huge company, and as you say they've had quite a few other big releases recently, several of which are tied to big franchise licences
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>>53937003
Why should we be worried when Boggs only just recently said the MWL would definitely get an update? Though I do wonder if rotation will happen before or after Worlds.
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>>53943883
I think it'd be pretty foolish to do it before, give the cards one last hurrah before they cycle out and all that.

What did they do with D&D again, release it at worlds but not have it legal?
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>>53944726

Would be a pain to deal with asset spam if Whizzard really ends up super dead before Worlds...
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>>53944970
I find it hard to believe people aren't preparing for that possibility and finding alternatives, especially with 2 jank decks winning regionals.
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>>53942662
>other than Mr White they've all appeared in art
Well, we have Mr. White in Bank Job AA.
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>>53944970
People are having the most success against Moon with Shaper R&D lock, so Whizzard out of the picture is a non-issue really.
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>>53946429
Yeah, along with McAvoy and Marilyn - it's a great AA
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Ok, Cybernetics + Conspiracy suite + Ramujan + Making an Entrance/IHW.

Ridiculous but fun to play.
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>>53946446
Is that because Moon (and going asset-heavy in general) is pretty good at thinning your deck of non-agenda things?
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>>53950825
I bet that's part of it
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Does anyone have that pic of the NAPD dog?
I know I've seen it online, but I forgot to save - it's not even all that great, I just want it for something
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>>53952065
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>>53952065
Nevermind - meet one of the non-Caprice products Jinteki provides to the NAPD
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>>53952218
Did you get that from FFG's instagram?
That's where I got his fellow doggo >>53952220, but yours is much bigger
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>>53952258
Don't let society fool you anon, size doesn't matter, what matters is what we do with what we are given.

Maybe? I don't remember. I can tell you the file was created April 17 this year. I think I might have ripped it from the FAQ files.
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>>53952398
>ripped it from the FAQ files
I'm intrigued, what do you mean? (and how easy is it?)
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>>53952524
When you open a PDF file with Photoshop, you can choose to open it per page or per image (unless protected, I think).
So...

But I can't find the pdf with the dog image, so I might be wrong about it.
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>>53952721
Also, I fucked up and converted it to jpg. Original is transparent.
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>>53952721
>>53952749
Huh, I don't have photoshop, but that's cool - with some images (like say Matrix Analyser, in the most recent FAQ) - do you get a whole pic, or just exactly what's in the doc, a la pic related

I do recall hearing that FFG docs tend to badly file their images and hence be huge
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>>53952928
Exactly what you see, sadly
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>>53952991
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Well, it's official.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/6/22/taking-risks/
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>>53954535

>still nothing about next cycle
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>>53956048

The next announcement is either going to be BIG or fizzle out depressingly.
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>>53813454
Keros also seems like a good friend to Khan and her birbs.
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Something I'm wondering from TD, that wasn't mentioned in the FAQ - does Unique count across the whole board, or just one side?
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Was bored, read BEST DEFENSE and made this
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>>53864608
what card is this used for?
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>>53962686
Owl, from Earth's Scion - for some reason Netrunnerdb hasn't updated yet, at least not for me
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>>53962341

I can imagine Exile and Caprice as a pair of depressed drinking buddies.

What with Caprice being the punching bag of the android universe, and Exile being the one from the ANR game.
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>>53962341
When you need motivation, just think of your waifu

>>53962825
Can Caprice, or any clone for that matter, actually get drunk?
For one thing, they're only mostly human, and they're vat grown in a really short space of time.

Still, that's an amusing image. Two of the android universe's sad sacks drowning their sorrows off-duty
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>>53962929

Well she'll get the company at least.

Terminal alcoholics hardly ever get drunk anymore. They'll still drink their head off, especially in an acceptable social context.

>just think of your waifu

"Ms Singh is my waifu! She put a gun to my head and didn't pull the trigger. We're such an item!"
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>>53962341

Thanks for the smile by the way.
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>>53952258
I finally got some time to check where I got the image from. It was from the instagram account.
Posted link in my Telegram chat.
And picked up full rez.


This one too.
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>>53963074
I kind of want to meet Ms Singh's ex-husband
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>>53964193

Mr Singh
Connection 0 cost Neutral

Mr Singh cannot be trashed.

"How does he keep getting away with it?"
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>>53964339
>"How does he keep getting away with it?"
I know how
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>>53964339
kek.

I'm sure there's some value to a connection that can't be trashed, I just don't know what.
Jaroginew combo maybe?
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Bumping

I'm thinking of doing a custom pack/cycle based on Atlantica (pic somewhat related), which is the megacity in Android's western Europe (which is notably in decline), mostly my own stuff but with some based on old cards (pic likely not related), I'd love to hear people's thoughts and suggestions
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Blood and Water FAQ is out
https://netrunnerdb.com/en/set/baw/rulings

As expected, >>53964547 get off scot-free from ASI, "X" and price lowering is still busted (also the ruling for Best Defence, wtf?)
The Obokata ruling is odd.
A bunch of other stuff, but the big one...

Standoff includes your opponent's cards, so that gives it a whole new dimension
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>>53968222
I think we have Weyland's new best agenda. Lots of fun rulings made, though the NAPD one got me wondering if Chakana and The Source add up to Success' number of advancements as well.
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>>53968222
>The Obokata ruling is odd.
Not really considering that we have a similar ruling with The Cleaners and Argus security. The Cleaners doesn't increase Argus damage because Argus is not doing damage. The Runner is suffering it. Same goes for Cybernetics.
It's a stupid difference but it is.

Now, Standoff ruling IS weird. I thought when it isn't specifically mentioned, any reference to a card chosen refers to their owners. But apparently I was wrong.
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>>53968222
Obokata highlights difference between runner suffering damage and Corp doing damage. Same shit with The Cleaners and Argus Security.
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>>53969228
>>53969270
>The Cleaners doesn't increase Argus
Huh, Jinteki must have it wrong then, that just takes any meat (including self-inflicted) and adds 1

Fair point though, "take" and "do" being different I can get behind.

>>53968937
I don't much like the idea of the runner opening a path to HQ/R&D, even if it means they have to lose some installed things (it looks great for skorp though)
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>>53969364
You can IAA Standoff and chill. Score it next turn hitting a key card. If they steal 0 points, Hunter Seeker.
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>>53969411
>If they steal 0 points, Hunter Seeker.
That sounds fun.

Also pic related would be amusing. Dumb, but amusing
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Having just played a bit with a friends NULL deck using a full nfr/Sûnya/Sifr rig, I don't think I can stress how much I love what Flashpoint has done for Anarch rigs. The faction had been under the shadow of the fixed breakers for so long. Having breakers that (I think) are worthwhile yet open completely different play styles, with different building expectations.... I really dig that.

>>53964547

Secure mass install of your On The Lam I guess?

Would be pretty much limiting the design space for resource hosted condition counters. I just couldn't resist the story through design here though.

>>53967362

Trying to give it to some serious thought. Is there some central theme/narrative you want in there? Backbone is to be the location, but apart from that are you interested in promoting certain specific mechanics?

I guess semi-dereliction, iron hands tightened around still vital and somewhat powerful faded glories, nostalgia of a drowned world carried away by a need to survive the tides...

What would/should each faction look like here?

HB in their prime, Weyland in paranoid enclosed citadel mode... Criminal as literal pirates?
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Did I mention how much I'm in love with Stand Off?
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>>53970929
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>>53971959

Pfff... you tease.
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>>53970796
>Having breakers that (I think) are worthwhile yet open completely different play styles, with different building expectations.... I really dig that.
Not 100% convinced that they'll do the job, but I like that there's at least been an attempt at that in crim too with the Birds, B&E and the Conmen.

Not sure about a narrative, definitely got some themes and things:
As a contrast to Mumbad, the corps don't really have to pull any punches, they're free to swing their dicks.

Runners are working with a fair bit less - shapers mainly go DIY (though the whole "starving" bit gets you halfway to starving artists), for criminals I was thinking they might still have some of that "classy european thief" thing still going on, but gangs might be a way to go as well, while anarchs have a large unemployed population to get support from, and may play up the terrorism angle (that's a sensitive topic though, so I'll certainly not be over-emphasising it)

Hadn't thought about actual pirates, but one of my "areas" was the Channel Islands + Seasteadings + artificial "zaratan offshore colonies" mentioned in WoA, so that could definitely be a thing.

Oh, and I was thinking I might do some Grail ice.

Wasn't sure about Weyland's mood actually, though going citadel could be cool - only thing I had for certain for them was building some seawalls for the Dutch

I didn't want to go too reference-heavy, so am still divided between doing some more "pioneer" ice or not.

NBN would be doing a little of the control stuff we've seen on Mars and a lot spying (something crims may also get in on)

HB will have some reference to the fact that they started in Europe, but the best tech has moved to Heinlein and Manta, so maybe just their heavy engineering side is left (certainly I want to be more flavourful than Ruhr Valley Grid)

Jinteki I'm in a similar boat with Weyland - I do have a couple of card ideas, but I'm less sure on their overall mood.

Oh, and some Globalsec might turn up
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>>53972292

Pulled back two old W cards I made in /anrg/ which could fit, thinking about what can be done around pirate crims (boat vehicle, calculated flooding of zones, fake illegal companies), low-tech hardware focused Shapers. I like the idea of Anarch intellectuals, revolution theoreticians, but putting them in Europe might be too cliché. And we just got Omar too.

NBN and Jinteki really need an angle, I guess.

House Arrest
0 to rez 4 to trash 4 Influence Weyland
Asset

Rez only if the runner stole an Agenda on the previous turn.
The runner is considered tagged. You cannot play Operations with a Gray Ops or Black Ops subtype.
If House Arrest is trashed while installed clear all the runner's tags.

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Security Lockdown
3 credits 1 Influence Weyland
Operation Current

This card is not trashed until another current is played or an agenda is stolen.

Play only if you have at least one bad publicity.
The runner cannot run more than once per turn. The runner can remove one bad publicity to ignore this effect for the duration of the turn.
Trash Security Lockdown if you have no bad publicity.

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Something for HB about saving face, socializing, protocol.

Say the runner loses one click, if able, the first time the corp reaches 0 credits each turn.
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>>53972854
>Anarch intellectuals
Also something I'd not thought of. Might be a bit cliche, and one thing I did note when looking at SanSan and Mumbad, was that you do want to have some generic stuff - not everything can or should be a reference

As I said, I've also been looking at ONR cards - a few have caught my eye - Pattel Antibody, an ambush that reduces icebreaker base strength, and pic related - I think a refitted version (ONR's damage game was crazy) might be a cool Jinteki card:

Streikhund
2[rez] 2[trash] Jinteki ••••
Asset: Hostile
[click] You and the Runner secretly spend 0[credit], 1[credit], or 2[credit]. Reveal spent credits. If you and the Runner spent a different number of credits give the runner 1 tag.
[click],[trash], remove 2 tags: do 4 meat damage.
"Is to a Hachi-Inu what a Pitbull is to a Pug."
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And this was my first idea for some low-tech shaper

Consumables Market
2[credit] Shaper ••
Resource: Location – Seedy
When your turn begins lose 1[credit], if able. If you do, choose 1 of the following:
• Gain +[1mu] until the end of your turn
• Gain 2[credit]. Use these credits to pay for using programs.
• Install a program or piece of hardware that costs 2[credit] or less from your grip, paying all costs.

Might limit the last one to just one of those, probably hardware
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I'm still unsure if this card was brilliant or a mistake.
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>>53975481

When rotation comes and Deus X and E3 feedback disappears, it would probably end up back in the binder after that glorious moment in the limelight.
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>>53978312
I love how much jank e3 enables, it may not be the most powerful card or anything, but I'm going to miss it
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>>53979199

I'll always love E3 for being one of the enabling pieces of my old program-less Quetzal deck.

>>53973976

Expanding Jinteki's tag game seems... interesting. Dangerous, but interesting.
Just keep in mind they're the last corp when it comes to this. If I were you I'd replace the tag with power counters on Streikhund though. And increase the trash cost to rebalance.
I do love the idea of a pro-active Psi-game.

Consumables Market seems way above the curve to me. It's cheap, versatile and efficient. The free install click alone would work with 73/151 programs. Compare the two recurring credits for programs with Multithreader also. The base idea I like. But I think if you want the versatility, it has to be uncomfortable to a point.

You know what would be amusing? To counter the yellow journalism angle, just honest-to-goodness NBN. Some NBN journalist division that is just doing its reporting job with nothing sinister in sight. Just destroy the runner in the public eye for being assholes when they are.
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>>53979596
>the last corp
HB has 3 cards with tags, but they're all ice - Jinteki has only 2, but they're both nasty - Cerebral Cast and Snare.
Power counters might be a way to do it - I was referencing the old need to be tagged (and would like to see tags around a bit more), but there could be some awkward combos (Judge, for example...)

Consumables market, yeah, I feel I undercosted it in the first go there - it's certainly more value than Drug Dealer. Maybe discard a card to use?(might suck if it's non-optional) Also restricting to hardware, for sure.
Good point that versatility should be awkward or expensive though

One thing that I was thinking might de-value it (though not enough for it to remain unchanged I think, and, in pack release, could come before it so you get solutions before problems) would be a Weyland op along the following Mills-replacing lines:

Slum Clearance:
Trash a location, or [up to 3/any number] of Seedy resources. Take 1 bad publicity.

With the proviso that Atlantica will have quite a few Seedy locations and connections (and yes, it can be used to trash them. Hence BP).

Also possibly a few ritzy cards, or at least something that cares about them (a la Populist Rally), to show that Europe's glory still hangs on - notably it will have less than Mumbad, but Mumbad had a full half of the Ritzy cards before TD came along, so that's not hard.

NBN kind of has that in Sol, though that's also very about control
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>>53979596
>And increase the trash cost to rebalance.

Scratch that two seems fair.

Talking ONR cards I'd really love to see make a come back:

- *cough* Cockroach *cough*
- Blink if we can find a way to make it work without dice.

Actually...

(Blink)
2 cost Resource Genetics

0 [Credits]: You and the Corporation secretly spend 0 [Credits], 1 [Credits], or 2 [Credits]. Reveal spent credits.
If you spent the same number of credits, break ICE subroutine, otherwise suffer as many net damage as the corp spent.
Use this ability only once on each subroutines during each encounter with a piece of ICE.

I'd love to make this Anarch - get through or force the corp to lose money to hurt you is very much the faction - but then Clan Vengeance is a thing now, so making this Shaper seems better indicated, in which case makes for a cool genetics. Shapers stealing Jinteki Psi genetic code and testing it on themselves.
Combos with Government Investigations which I very much like, and net damage prevention. Reduced cost and no Str to balance back the chances going down from original.

Oh, well, I guess people will find this bad. But I do think it has a place.
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>>53979818

I do love the idea of a ritzy/seedy showdown.
Been too long in the coming.
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>>53979925
I think the most bothersome thing about this is if someone uses this as their main breaker, and you have to do the psi game thing more than 3 - 4 times per run. At which point the Corp just spends 0 out of can't be bothered, and this thing can get you through basically everything.
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>>53980022

Definitely thought about this being an issue if the corp ever reaches zero credits. Still haven't found a decent counter mechanism to that.

Oh well, back to the drawing board.
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>>53979199

Yeah, it going away will be bad for Adam as well in particular.
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>>53979925
Blink could be cool, though shapers can avoid damage and anarchs have Vengeance, while of the two runner cards we have that secretly spend, the only factioned one is crim.
Genetics is a cool idea though...

[Not!Blink]
Resource: Genetics
The first time you encounter a piece of ice each turn, you and the corp secretly spend 0[credit], 1[credit], or 2[credit]. Reveal spent credits. If you spent the same number of credits, bypass that ice, otherwise suffer 1 (or 2?) net damage.

Fluff it around messing up your brain so much that ice sometimes doesn't affect you
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>>53980220
Most already replace ABT with FtT, so it's not a BIG hit.
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I'd like this illustration for a playmat
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>>53980022
>>53980247

I was so blindsided by my desire to keep the potential zero cost for sub-breaking I forgot how grossly powerful breaking from a non-program source was.

So let's have some fun

0 [Credits]: Add a power Counter on not Blink.
You and the Corporation secretly spend 0 [Credits], 1 [Credits], or 2 [Credits]. Reveal spent credits.
If you spent a different number of credits, break ICE subroutine, otherwise suffer as many net damage as there a power counters on NotBlink and remover all power counters on it.
(Use this ability only once on each subroutines during each encounter with a piece of ICE?)
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>>53981754
Maybe follow Rigged Result's templating instead of a regular psi-game? Counteracts the potentially huge damage from the corp guessing correctly with a 66% chance of success, and balances a strength independent breaker by not needing further corp investment.
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>>53981849

Would be fair I guess.
As much as I love runner side Psi, this would probably be for the better.

Amusing theme that fits with both Crims and Shapers as described so far: refurbishing of old discarded (stolen?) corporate tools against the corp.
Take some cycling out corp card and see how to make it some runner card with the fluff/theme surviving.

Ronin? Some card you put counters on to trash another for free? "Will serve you for a time."
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>>53981924
I'd put Ronin as a Killer with power counters.
Doesn't Sunya looks like a Ronin to you?
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Wave Being
Criminal Infl 3 Cost 0

Whenever the corp rezzes a card, put a power counter on Wave Being.
Trash: trash a rezzed executive, sysop, or character with a trash cost inferior or equal to the number of power Counters on Wave Being There must be at least one power Counter on Wave Being.

"I will serve you for a time."

Illustration could play on sin waves and actual waves I guess...
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>>53982089

I actually started thinking about this because of Sûnya.
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>>53982089
Sunya looks so rad, such a shame Null's suite got radically overshadowed by Omar's (that said I really like the idea that Omar put all these breaker caches and backups all around the net in preparation for an event like the flashpoint and you're utilising the decades-long preparations of a conspiracy theorist) and the bullshit power of sifr
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>>53981849
Well with a regular psi game there's a 66% chance, though I agree that the corp not needing to pay could be a good point (government investigations hinders you there though, so idk)

One thing I also want to include would be some exile support, though of course it's not easy to balance

>>53981924
Yeah, recycling some corp stuff that's rotating could be neat
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>>53982287
Sunya has such a weird range of effectiveness. It's awful against low multisub sentries, but then it can get pretty effective against the bigger ones as long as they aren't Archer, and even Archer I'd say it's a close one.
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>>53982431
>psi
>luck
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>>53982938
>luck
>Not using it with/to manipulate your opponent's credits for maximum advantage
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>>53982431
>One thing I also want to include would be some Exile support

Tough but to crack, that one.
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>>53985596
Oh crap, I read Nasir and started thinking ideas to support him.
I think the best support Exile has is Cache/scavenge and Inject. Maybe a version of FCC to trash programs from the heap. Or a tutor that trashes the program and gain credits for it, ala windfall. That supports him while not bursting the recursion problem.
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>>53987788
I'd want to give him some way to bring things back, maybe something like "RFG 1 program to install 1 program", and possibly some programs like the conspiracy breakers
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Friend of mine had a funny one with Exile, big grip Game Day Freelance Coding Contract.

Exile is losing Test Run, Retrieval Run and Pawn soon. Thank god for the Conspiracy breakers.


Scrapyard Dive
Cost 0 Resource Virtual inf 4

Whenever you turn ends, if you made a successful run on a central server this turn, you may force the corp to "trace3... if unsuccessful, the runner may install a zero cost program from the heap. If successful, the runner trashes one program.
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>>53990636
Something like Pawn would be nice. A self-recurring program that does nothing but provide draw in Exile, making it near useless elsewhere.
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>>53992420
Perpetual Motion Program
Program - Shaper
0 cost - 1 MU
Whenever there is a successful run, you may trash another installed copy of Perpetual Motion Program to install another copy of Perpetual Motion Program from the heap. If so, gain 1 credit.

A 3 card, 2 MU combo, and often not worth the deck slot in another ID. A card and a credit every run in Exile is pretty good though.
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>>53994055

While I find this hilarious, probably abit too on the nose.
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>>53995413
>>53994055
My thoughts too. I'd want something a bit more useful in a general sense

Also Bump limit
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>>53996263
It's basically a 3 card Desperado, and gains additional credits and card with Tech Writer and Reaver. Probably fine, but eh. Could make it a trash ability like that new HB asset for Tech Trader bucks.
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>>53996924
The assembly line one?
I like that idea.

Also, we may be page 10, but seeing as you mention tech writer
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>>53997042
I mean the "install a card after playing an operation" one, which you must use in the paid ability window after the click you use an operation.
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>>53997150
"when/the first time you trash a card, you may install a program from the heap"-type thing, with limitations?
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>>53997217
It would basically be:

"Trash: Install another copy of Perpetual Motion Program from the Heap. Use this ability immediately after making a successful run."

Turns it into a 2 card combo, but works mostly the same, and triggers tech trader and Geist.
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>>53997244
Oh wait, post errata it would be “Use this ability only during the next paid ability window after making and resolving a successful run.”
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>>53997244
>>53997256
I think I'd still want a little more utility than just triggering itself for Exile and Geist, but I like the idea of something that fires or installs like that - maybe a program that's conspiracy-breaker-esque, but when you make a successful run/central run?

Can then either be used or sold to aesop or something.

Also, seeing as IDs, both in concept and in rules, are something I find quite difficult, I'm saying I'm like 80% certain I'm not having a Jinteki one, and I'm leaning very strongly towards something like "Haas Heavy Industries" - at least in part because I really like CD's heavy industrial aesthetic.
Also because I had an idea for an Eve replacement that I really like based on theme, though I think it'll need some tweaks:

Briareus 43G4E0N
6[credit] 4[trash] HB •••
Asset: Bioroid - Facility
When your turn begins choose to either gain 2[credit] or install a non-agenda card from HQ (paying the install cost).
"Early attempts to apply bioroid intelligence to factory-wide AI were crude, but none could deny their effectiveness"
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