Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

How good are Reavers and Helions now?

I just pulled 100 monopose painting-demo marines out of a gw dumpster

what should I do with them

>>53809827
2nd for this thread will burn in autism and cheetahs

>>53809827
10/10 roster builder inclusion in OP

>>53809889
>marines

incineration

Holy shit.
What did I walk into last thread?

Was finishing up with painting a Quad-las Predator and decided to see what was going on today.

Evidently what was happening was Cheetahs and some sort of Slaanesh weirdo

>>53809915
Autismos maximanus

>>53809908
>>53809915
>>53809891
Keep the past thread in the past thread.

>>53809915
People trying way too hard to laugh at something really mundane.

>>53809915
Just a pair of avatarfags avoiding bans and being unrepentant faggots. Just a normal day on /40kg/.

>>53809915
some 12 year old autismo got into an argument with the internet claiming he was the "good guy" and he needed not stop shitposting slaanesh pics and about slaanesh because we offended him

then some faggot doxxed him out of discord with their convos about his daddy issues and cheetaguy had a full on laughoploexy while the kid posted threats about how our familys should die

>>53809941
honestly this is the worse general

Chaos anons, what are your standouts from the index? I'm excited to use Terminators with Warptime Sorcerers, they finally feel like the elite force they are in the fluff. Chaos Predators also look pretty neat.

Thoughts on the attached list?

>>53809949
Who even cares about any anon's real life? I'm here to talk about plastic soldiers and plastic soldier accessories.

>>53809931
>>53809934
>>53809949

Well Ok then.

>>53809932
Will do, was just curious, didn't care much beyond a short rundown.

>>53809957
On /tg/ or in general?
Because I've seen stuff that equals that in other generals.

>>53809982

Looks illegal for tourneys im afraid

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>>53809982

Dammit

>>53809996

You are correct.

>>53809982
Too many infiltrators.

>>53809982

>implying anyone would play against this WAACfag nonsense

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I want to make a fun group of 'crons that really play up their "coming back to life" thing so that they can pull off some fun Tzeentch levels of "haha I was only pretending to be dead!" but I don't really know if they'd sync well with Chaos because of their whole not being alive thing. Ideas to make it work?

>>53809982
I'd be wary about bringing that many psykers to one match.

>>53809958
Warp Time is definitely good. Be aware that it can't hit Chaos Daemons, only Traitors.

Heldrake looks pretty good for being an insanely fast unit that can lock up something important in combat from t1 on. It flies over everything, moves across half the board, etc. It's also pretty hard to kill.

On the Chaos Daemons side of things, I think Slaanesh has a lot of potential. Fiends of Slaanesh seem overcosted, but you can summon one along side a giant unit of daemonettes and ensure that nothing can fall back out of your meat grinder. Speaking of Daemonettes are very very good.

Does this pass your fluff meter?
>Fallen hold up on backwater planet
>Link up with resident SoS and Custodes who believe they failed the emperor and have chosen solitude
>Cypher convinces the SoS and Custodes of his intentions of bringing back the emperor/the lion
>Form traveling band of renegades operating independently but helping the imperium in various ways

>>53810034
Crons in general don't work well with Chaos. But now I'm thinking about a Cron Lord who thinks that having experiences is the true definition of living, and now "tours" the galaxy with his personal guard in tow so that he can behold beautiful landscapes.

Should I make some coffee, sober up and paint or finish this gin and pass out?

>>53810109
Coffee, sober and paint.

>>53809990
this specific general
the other generals are okay, /tg/ is by no means the worst board

>Because I've seen stuff that equals that in other generals.
I haven't none of the other wargaming ones are this bad. Hell returning to HH after the armour autism was over was surprising.

Point is you don't get this bullshit in the others

>>53810109
Mix coffee, gin, paint

>>53809915
A literal autist with actual mental issues posts on here and ruins threads by posting his fetishes every now and then. Someone doxxed him.

It was funny.

>>53810109
Huff the paint, finish up your coffee, soak your models in gin.

>>53810002

doesn't look like garbage
anything you gearing to fight in particular?

>>53810091

>dereliction of duty runaway custards leaving terra
sure, lemme add their brethren as allies for my xenos

>>53810091
No. Holy fuck, Anon, no.

>>53810091
I dunno. There are your dudes and then there are GW's dudes. Cypher is the latter, and although I haven't been keeping up, this seems to assume his intentions.

>>53810109

you can't paint drunk? have you tried to before?

>>53810123
I go to a couple on different boards, they all have their periods of shitposting that rivals what happened last thread.

No better, no worse.

>>53810136
That I kinda picked up on.

>>53810150

Nah, just a general 'show up at the local tournament' style list.

Ah so this is from the Admech faction focus article.
>The shooting version (Corpuscarii) gives you mass amounts of shots that explode on a 6+ to hit. And be aware that if you can get a +1 to hit, you get the bonus hits on the roll of a 5 or 6 – especially if you’re standing next to a Character that lets you re-roll hits.
Would this mean that having +1 to hit makes it impossible to have plasma 'get hot'?

Also my friend plays necrons. Wouldnt this make his Tesla immortals ridiculous?

>>53809889
spray paint black, do minor details (iron hands, black templars, who gives a fuck), run it as a serious army-MEQ spam. Enjoy the face of disgust of your opponents as you tell them you didn't even spend a penny on this super cheap army.

>>53810220
How would an Ad Mech list affect Necrons?

>>53810220
I would assume so.

>>53810220
Pretty sure that things that hit on a 1 or 6 happen on natural rolls and special effects don't happen if they're naturally boosted there?

>>53810220
Yes, Tesla Immortals can deal 15.55 wounds to a theoretical conscript blob in a single round of shooting if you give them +1 to hit and a Triarch Stalker buff.

>>53810220
No, it would not. Plasma specifically states "on a hit roll of 1". A +1 bonus does not change what you got on the roll, and as such does not affect plasma. Anything that happens on an X+ however, does benefit from bonuses.

For example, in T'au, Longstrike buffs the To-wound rolls of allied Hammerheads, which can affect the dealing of mortal wounds by the solid-shot railgun, as that occurs on a to-wound of 6+.

>>53810220
It would appear so. But I think the Admech HQs only give re-rolling 1s not +1 to hit.

>>53810251
Jesus the rule you fucking dumbass.

>>53810220

So Tau can deal mortal wounds on a 5+ with MLs?

Are banshees or wyches more efficient? Assume no PFP or Battle Focus. This is in a Ynnari list. Combat Drugs allowed.

>>53810276
Pity even that isn't that great.

>>53810220
>on a roll of 6 (or 1, or whatever, just no modifiers)
Requires unmodified
>on a roll of 6+ (or 5+, or whatever)
Allows for modifiers

>>53809833
On paper they should be pretty solid.
I'm planning on picking up Gangs of Commorragh at some point for them.

>>53809833
I didn't pay attention to Hellions, I don't own any.

But Reavers are 4+ sv and effectively Str 4 AP-1 in melee due to bladevanes which is sweet. 2W is also nice.

They also only got a marginal point increase and gained a lot of durability. Gotta remember that you can pick combat drugs now
so it helps them do exactly what you want them to. Probably going to be +1A or +1T.

>>53810312
Theoretically, how would they say on a roll of 1 with modifiers

1-?

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Rate me. I will probably swap the Zoanthropes for a Malanthrope if its points cost is reasonable.

>>53810276

10 tesla immortals?

>>53810353
20.

>>53810184
yeah that's what i said.
/tg/ is by no means the worse board.
but this general, often is the worst among our generals if the last two bombed threads indicate anything

>>53810348
I would recommend fitting a swarmlord in there. The synergy with genestealers is huge.

>>53810278
>A +1 bonus does not change what you got on the roll, and as such does not affect plasma.
Im not following this. How does +1 to hit not affect the roll to hit?

>>53810368
Ah, alright.

Thanks for the clarification.

Anyways, now to sleep and look forward to finish painting the predator, building/painting another one, and assembling 10 tac marines for a 1k list to start off with

>>53810298

No wait, wound rolls aren't affected by MLs

I have a couple questions about Chaos Demons:
Where is the overlap between 40k and Age of Sigmar?

What is common, what is different?

>>53809915
A couple of avatarfagging idiots who don't understand board culture got into a Texas cage-match tardfight.

>>53810397
It affects the outcome, but not what you rolled. You roll, modifiers are applied, an outcome happens. When it specifies "on the roll" then you never get to step 2.

>>53810412
You mean in units or like effectiveness?

>>53810389
The idea is to put the Genestealers into the Trygon tunnel and deepstrike both them and the Broodlord on a flank, putting them well outside the Swarmlords ability range. Leaving only the Swarmlord itself to benefit from it.

>>53810426
>When it specifies "on the roll" then you never get to step 2.
And where is the rule that states this?

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Who else is pumped for when FW releases their knight rules?

>>53810446

Pumped for the Taunar and Manta!

>>53810426
If what you were saying was the case then rolls of 5 would not trigger an effect the happens on 6.

>>53810434
rules-wise, and are there (for example) nurgle units that are specific to AoS? 40k?

What difference in rules is there between the AoS rulesheet and the 40k rules?

>>53809827
>no sisters of battle list assets

LITERALLY TRASH, desu

>>53810446
Me. I can't wait to see all the shiny new variants Chaos can take now.

>>53810474
Like that other guy said, the wording is different when modifiers are allowed. When it's phrased as "on a roll" then you don't get modifiers but when something says "6+" then obviously it allows them because how else would you get to a roll of 7 or 8?

>>53810474
Using the example of the T'au Hammerhead Railgun w/Solid shot-

"Each time you make a wound roll of 6+"
This is different from "when you roll a 6".

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>>53810486
Like your Ecclisiarchy?

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Can a vehicle with smoke launchers use them on a turn in which it advanced?

>>53810446
Is he stepping on a church?

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>>53810136
It's funnier knowing everything that happened. Fucking kek, that was a hilarious read.

>>53810397
Not him, but let's say you have a gun that had Special ability that procd on a roll of X, not X+, so your die has to physically be X, not x-2 with a +2 bonus

>>53810484
All the daemons currently out can be used in AoS, the rules are different though.

>>53810348
6/10

You're better off with a swarmlord than putting a broodlord in a tyrannocyte. It'll get murdered too fast to pay 162 points.

Always take termagants in blobs of 30 with 15 devourers minimum, preferably 20-25 for the unit that's burrowing with the trygon. Pop up the try sideways and fit all of your devourers on the side closest to the enemy to get the unit in range of what it needs to be.

Zoanthropes aren't worth taking sadly. 160 points for a slightly upgraded smite and an ability to heal ONE wound a turn is pretty horrible. I wanted them to be better but they just aren't.

Harpy are a mixed bag. They mean good with strafing runs but won't last long at all.

Make the trygon a prime. Since you aren't deepstriking your synapse creature you need it to be one instead.

The rest of your list is good but you'll need a small unit of warriors to babysit your biovores/exocrine.

>>53810486
It's one dude working on it in his spare time, be patient.

>>53810520
Yes.

>>53810443
That is risky though. 20 genestealers take up a lot of space on the board, and a smart opponent can screen you quite effectively. Remember, the opponent only has to keep the gap between units less than 18 inches to prevent an interior deep strike. Also, you don't have good odds of making the charge without a command point reroll

>>53810505
>>53810509
No thats just singular versus plural wording. What you are claim is not in the shooting rules for 8th. There are no steps.

The faction focus for Deathwatch was less than a paragraph... Why does GW hate my army?

>>53810348
Zoanthropes are mediocre at best, and in a list like nids with heaps of good options they're pretty shit. Its like 2.4 mortal wounds per turn total, without the chance to leave minefields around the place. Broodlord benefits most from two blobs of stealers, tervigons can only replenish gants if they arent wiped out so squads of thirty are near-mandatory to prevent them focus-firing them down one at a time. The rest of the list is fine, but i feel that you're trying to split between close assault and midrange swarm and the overall synergy suffers for it-you're spending ~800 points on delivering one assaulty blob, one monster and a low-bs shooty pod, when you could run a full assault or a gunline capable of shooting down anything before it gets into range

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Since all Daemons have the Chaos keyword anyway, why would anyone ever pick Malleus over Hereticus ?

>>53810527
>not X+
X+ just means a 6/7/8 as in 4+ to Hit. Please feel free to disagree but show where it says that in the shooting rules.

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>>53810511
Nerrrrrrrrrrrds.

>>53810554
You're as big an army as that paragraph, so why not?

>>53810554
>Army

Deathwatch is more an elites choice for the Inquisition than a stand on its feet army.

But at least you've got rules noa

>>53810576
That would mean modifiers are included. Why would they not standardized the wording in that case considering that 6 and 6+ both pop up numerous times.

>>53810576
X+ is X, X+1, X+2,... Whereas X is just X

>>53810575
The Avatar of Khaine is a daemon.

>>53810593
Aliens won't hunt themselves friend

>>53810575
Not strictly true, but non chaos ones are rare.

>>53810575
Cotaez, terminator armor, or fluff

It's still dumb though.

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>>53810622
I might be a degenerate heretic, but that's something we can agree on.

>>53810610
As is that death eldar thing.

>>53810603
>>53810609
Comon guys. An ability that had 6 instead of 6+ would only trigger on a 5 with +1 to hit. This is why it is 6+. So that it triggers on both a 5 and 6.

You cant roll a 0. So 1 is just 1.

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>>53810610
mfw Celestine isn't given the DAEMON keyword

>>53810610
one of the dark eldar beasts too.

>>53810652
But that's retarded. What if you had a +2 and rolled a 5? A unit with +2 instead of +1 is supposed to be strictly better, not have these weird downsides. It would make sense that some things don't take modifiers into account because then you could remove downsides almost willy-nilly.

>>53810666
>666

Im actually Ok with that paint scheme it's pretty Ok

>>53810666
I feel loyalty would be her thing, you know?
Like, her element :^)

>>53810652
there are minuses to rolls to.
So by your wording that would mean rolls of 1 wouldn't proc anything, because they became 0 or less.

>>53810652
But it's explicitly stated a 1 is always a 1, even with modifiers, when it comes to the hit, wound and save rolls

>>53810521
>>53810446
Had to look too long for a church

>>53810702
Where?

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Tried my hand at a fluffy daemons list

h8 r8 apprishe8

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>>53810652
From the shooting rules. A "roll of 1" is a fail regardless of modifiers. It makes sense then that the same goes for "a roll of X" compared to "a roll of X+" because of the possibility of ending up with a number not on a d6.

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>>53810652
I don't think so.

The shooting to Hit Roll makes a very clear distinction on the result of the dice being the first check.

Following this line of thought, we can assume that the results of the dice do matter and so rolling a 5 and adding 1 does not make it a '6', it makes it a 6+

>>53810679
>What if you had a +2 and rolled a 5?
What? It would be 6+ and trigger the effect?

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>>53810705

>>53810723
>Conscripts/10

>>53810723
Show me the points.

theres no unique tag for characters anymore? I understand its silly to take multiple st.celestines but I can do a bunch of eversor assassins in a suicide squad?

>>53810348
>scything talons are 0 points
>genestealers have rending claws, *can* take scytals

Is there any reason why you wouldn't take scytals on a stealer?

I mean, you don't have to use them if you want all your attacks to be rending.

>>53810763
eversor aren't unique, Celestine is a typo

>>53810771
The only reason not to take them is if you're using Purestrain Genestealers from the GSC list, where the talons cost 3 points.

>>53810771
Stealer cults have to pay 3 ppm for them, so one or the other is a typo. They could technically be important if you want to reroll ones to hit against an unarmoured enemy like poxwalkers?

>>53810752
2001

it's for 2500 point matched play games.

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Update from earlier

Ive actually fished 267 monopose space marines from a GW dumpster

What chapters are known for spamming the fuck out of bodies

>>53810730
>>53810731
I'm wrong then. The last bit makes 1 different from all other numbers which means I fuck up.

>so rolling a 5 and adding 1 does not make it a '6', it makes it a 6+
This is still incorrect tho. Its just that 1s cant be modified.

>>53810813
Black Templar.

Black Tide is a go go go

>>53810788

how is celestine a typo? she is the same as other characters from what I see.

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>>53810561
>>53810538
>>53810532
Hows this?

>>53810811
wew lad

>>53810813
Are you really going to build them all?

>>53810813
BT, Red Scorpions.

>>53810802
>>53810810
oh yeah, was referring to just nids, not GSC.

'cause I've got a ton of stealers, no scytals. And I think they look better without them.

>>53810813
Uhhhh

Well, I

Uhhh

Really any chapter you like. Iron Hands would've been a good choice last edition because of their FnP but now I dunno.

>>53810823
Those are monopose slotta based bolter boys, anon. Don't want them for BT, I don't think.

>>53810850
>4 heavy supports in a battalion
I am retarded but its an easy fix, please ignore that.

>>53810840
All of the other unique characters say you can only take 1 of them in your army.

>>53810820
Tweet at one of the devs and find out because that just seems like it would lead to a bunch of janky situations with +1/+2 not really mattering for anything that isn't an X+.

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>>53810850
One of us

One of us

One of us

I don't think two units of biovores is necessary

>>53810446
I'm waiting eagerly.

As soon as the book drops, I'm placing an order for either an Atrapos or Castigator, whichever seems like it's gonna play better with my army.

>>53810866

o shit didn't notice that! o wow.

>>53810850
Is there a reason you have only one fleshborer in the 2nd guant unit? I think 10 is the minimum you should have, because then you've got a full compliment of wounds to protect your non respawning guants.

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>>53810723
Get on my level, scrub.


(Continued)

>>53810875
Are there any rules with X that arent a 1? I dont see any.

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>>53810900

>>53810900
I know its a troll list but Fateweaver is not worth it in any list no matter what.

>>53810820
Actually, I can't find a specific weapon or ability that says specifically a '6' or whatever. Can you point me at one?

How bad would it be to paint skitarii robes a color other than red?

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I should have gone and painted you people can be pretty fucked up

>>53810898
The second unit is going in with the Trygon Prime and was 4 points over 2000 so I had to lose one devourer.

>>53810884
But think of the mortal wounds!

>>53810962
Like.. 2.33 per unit on a majority of what they'll be shooting isn't fantastic, really what biovores are taken for are the ability to block movement and charges

>>53810938
Perils of the warp specifies on a "double 6" and vehicle explosions say "on a roll of 6".

>>53810929
I'm aware, I just thought the mental image of Kairos personally trying to corral 540 brimstone horrors made it a little funnier. I also had an awkward number of leftover points to reach 2000 and it was the best idea to had to fill it in a humorous fashion.

Mildly related: How would you fight this army? The brims just flood toward objectives. Can you kill them fast enough to get them off the objectives?

>>53810948
>>53810984
/pol/ leave and never come back

Nobody else reply to this shit, I'll nail myself to the cross on this one and reply myself.

>>53810884
>>53810850
>not running four units of stealers streaming up the board with two broodlords backed by two harpies and a bunch of shrikes
Its like you dont even blob

>>53810984
I was being nice stop shitting on me fuck dude ive had to take like 5 sets of pills

Scouts, are shotguns good? Or is sniper the way to go.

>>53810730
Wait.
If I have supercharged Plasma weapons and the Dominus makes them reroll ones to hit, are they seriously exploding?
So, Plasma Culverin Kataphrons near a Dominus still lose their 3W if they happen to roll a one, no way around it ever game over?

>>53810962
This might be controversial, but I prefer the Harpy to biovores. You get 3 spore mines, but you get a lot of dakka and choppa with it. Also, you can target characters with the biovore sporemine ability.

>>53811023
Re-rolling is different to +1 to hit. Nothing there says you cant reroll.

>>53811031
I could calm down if you would stop fucking insulting me you fucking mongrel

Drama queens can get the fuck out back to discord/tumblr/hell, no one cares about any of you.

>>53810158
how else do you think I ended up with imperial first instead of crimson fists

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>everyone posting 2k lists
>you only have enough models for 1000

>>53811009
Thanks anon. It was a noble effort, but I think this thread is doomed now.

>>53811059
T. Poorfag.

5k is the way to go.

You 40k players sure are an angry lot. Have you tried playing the many superior games to calm down?

>>53810938
I dont believe there are any. Nothing thats rolling to hit anyway.

So guys, what we learned is that Discord was a mistake and no one on 4chan needs to know anything about you.

Also autists gonna autist.

>>53811059
>>53811075
>not 10k
Top pleb

>>53811023
Not sure if re-rolls count as a modifier, but I think you'd be okay? But it only works once since you can't re-roll a re-roll.

Overwatch also only happens on 6.

>>53809986
this

>>53811075
>5k
You are like a tiny child

>>53811049

lol fair enough.

>>53811095
was gonna say, you can't fit a lot of 2000 points models into 5k

>>53810998
That's just it about brimstones in 8th, even as the lowest guys on the Matryoshka pole they get T3, 4++

>>53810938
Nothing specific, but overwatch only ever happens on a physical roll of a six

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>>53811017
>it fits with points to spare
Now this is a meme.

>>53811035
>This might be controversial
Not at all, the Harpy is really good. The problem with its Spore Cysts is that it can only target a unit that the Harpy flew over.

>>53809908
He's actually banned. We do ban people if they sperg up the server, thankfully we've only had to ban 2 people out of 150+ in 3 months.

Warhammer and Wargame discord https://discord.gg/Zeh7nhC

>>53811017
>running almost 1000 points of 20 model units
>only HQ's you have are 6W
>taking harpy

Not sure about shrikes though

>>53810813

Crimson Fists,

>>53811128
This list makes me happy.

>>53811059
See, i have three main armies-Guard, Nids and Grey Knights, barring my stealer cult which is a mix of the two.

Guard, i can field over a hundred models comfortably in a 1k game. Swarm nids, around eighty with ease.

Nidzilla? Ten, with six being warriors. Grey Knights? 11. Eleven infantry models. The game is balanced with blobs vs blobs, and with elite vs elite, but for any army with a model advantage, its almost impossible to overcome.

So are MSU's still the way to run marines?

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can I just post about 40k and not be fucking abused by every sad fucker in the thread?

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I see one of my wayward Children has been... misbehaving.

>>53810948
Stop shitposting, you little faggot. I should never have given the Third My personal icon if this was the sort of shit they were going to pull with My name.

>>53811117
You can fit FIVE hierophants, that's like $1500 of spindly useless plastic.

Which is why i buy mine from Chinaman

>>53810998
>>53811119
Are brimstone horrors better than conscripts?

>>53811119
I'm wondering whether they may actually be more effective than conscripts as far as just flooding a battlefield with bodies that are annoying to get rid of. I suppose you'd need to deal with more morale issues.

i want to use a hellbrute as a weapons platform for a gunline CSM army. I want to give it a twin lascannon, but i'm stumped on weather or not i should replace the power fist with a power scourge or missiles.

>>53811176
no one understands how hard it is to deal with BPD or anger issues you think I like this I cant stop im trying so hard

>>53811135
>charge harpies into any serious anti-blob your opponent has turn one
>hqs buff genestealers, which are already rape monsters both literally and figuratively, to the next level, while being characters
>turn 2 your blobs will fucking decimate anything they run into, from land raiders to boyz
Shrikes are there to make sure your harpies hit the right enemy unit

>>53811176
>everytime I try to stop the anger comes back
Are we sure this isn't a Khorne player?

>>53811176
You're both retarded attention whores. Please fuck off.

>>53811161
as a super cheap unit that lets you distract, harrass, and occupy space. Yes.
20pts and you've got a unit that will stick around an impressively annoying amount and can still do d3 mortal wounds 1/3 of the time.

But conscripts scale up much better. you can get 50 man blobs, and get orders, commissars, aura buffs, etc.

If only people would just report every discord post. Then it would stay away.

>>53811095
>not 40k

Its Warhammer 40k for a reason.

>>53811143
Why? It has no instant threat that a list with a swarmlord or trygon provides. You can pick apart the units that can actually do something too easily, especially when they have a mediocre save.

>>53811155
>Being angry
>About choices you don't have to make

Why do you chose this life, anon-kun? Are you just esdethee mad about your ban? :^)

>>53811143
Small addendum that isn't worth posting a new image for; all but one of the Shrikes can take Boneswords. Leaving the list at 1999pts. I really like this list.

>>53811237
Its a meme ya dip.

>>53811161
With strength 1 they wound literally everything on 6's. But they are 2 attacks base for some reason.

>>53811170
With the icon, if you roll a 1 on your morale, you auto-pass and further spawn d6 more pink horrors.

>>53811154
Nigga this is an ANONYMOUS board

just fucking pretend to be someone else

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What list would you build with pic related, /tg/? I like having a list goal in mind to help motivate me to build. In the envelope are 20 hellions, and not shown is a void raven. Hit me with whatever: 1000, 2000, 1250, hell I'm ok with power level, too. I have an idea in mind, but I like to compare.

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>>53809827
Does this pass your fluff meter?
>reasonably populous but remote Imperial Colony, governed by an otherwise small, unimportant knight-house. Maintains IG/PDF, and a small Sisters convent, few dozen knights
>Household family is prosperous, and within a few generations there are a dozen splinter families, some form major rival holds with their own chapels/convents. Eventually becomes Game of Thrones/War of Roses w/ Knights.
>Forge World resources intended to maintain Households get slowly diverted to Cadian war effort
>Popular Imperial Cult gradually deviates to substituting Emperor for a Sun god, but central ruling family maintains traditional Imperial Cult in capital region. Sun-God cult patroned by Rival houses to diminish Imperial House
>Main Governor-King Imperial Cult family maintains power balance by simply having controlled the dwindling supply the longest. They have more knights and repair parts. Sun Cult is way more forgiving of the Xenos thing, and begin trade with xenos and rogue traders.
>Imperial supplies stop. Although ties not cut, world doesn't feel external Imperial authority for over a dozenish centuries. Capital Region in decline, rival holds ascendant, but still no knights.

>Tau Water Caste discover colony do their spy/diplomacy shit.
>Primary Imperial Cult Governor-King (a title I find hilarious) rejects Tau
>Main Rival Accepts Tau aide, refurbishes his knights, and organizes a coup against Governor-King. Emerges victorious.
>Planet becomes Tau vassal world, integrates. Supplies parent sept with freeblade knights, PDF gue'vesa, and Sun-cult Sororitas. Capital Region is under new management, but many still hate Xenos/love Empy-chan.
>Tau/New Governor King must contend with Occupied-France style Imperial Cult resistance

can anyone explain to me why even though he is a direct upgrade to them typhus is 20 points LESS than a lord of contagion.

>geekswargaming says Deathwatch are tourney viable

How? They are expensive up the balls for just a bunch of tacticals with toys.

>>53811274
One note: you have to have had pink horrors in the list to begin with to spawn them with the icon. And the pink horrors are some what of a tax.

>>53811194
>have no backline for objective holding
>have no tanky HQ or monsters aside from harpy that'll die all too easily
>ever getting broodlords to make a unit that absolutely doesn't need any help in combat better

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Pic related might be useful vs hordes.

>Come into thread to talk about 40k
>its about some random asshole on the internet.

I don't give a fuck.

>>53811323
Kills what, about 8.3? with a max of one cast per turn?

>>53811189
>BPD
You can't be salvaged, just kill yourself.

Welp looks like they've carried their baggage over here from the last thread.

>>53811313
Just add 6 pink horrors and 1 pink icon to each squad. Whenever something is called on to die, it's pink horrors. They'll trigger the morale check and give you sacrificial blue horrors. You can't gain back more than 6 horrors on a d6 anyway.

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>>53811351
At least it took them a little while.

>>53811297
>Sun-cult Sororitas

Failed the fluff test

>>53809889
Alternative:
>Spray black
>ebay: "undercoated Marines"
>10 for $5
>actually profit

Friendly reminder that the report function is right there.

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>walk into the thread hoping that the stupid shit from last thread is gone
>it just started up again
>MFW

>>53811346
That's actually not bad for a psychic power which you're casting every turn in addition to shooting, and can cast even if you got tarpitted in combat.

>>53811297
No, it's bad and wrong.

>>53811385
>giving attentionwhores attention
Nigga just report them.

>>53811383
They all just phonepost and the bans do nothing. It'll never be fixed.

>>53809889
Send me some if you don't want manlet marines.

>>53811297
I can't imagine the Sisters -not- going apeshit over a deviation in the Imperial Cult. As far as the Tau stuff goes, I don't see why not. If it's less about "AREN'T THE TAU GREAT?" and more about politics.

Work on the Sisters and make them an antagonistic force that staunchly supports the Imperial loyalists and pushed the non-loyal population from the Imperial Cult because of their displays of violence and you might have something more substantial.

>>53811385
Holy shit what year is it

>>53811402
More like a Cheetah cage.

>>53811297
>Popular Imperial Cult gradually deviates
Its shit.

>>53811310

Cuz frag cannons man.

>>53811465

don't you have any rhinos to put them in?

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>>53811351
Report it, hide it, move on.

Now post classic shit from Rogue Trader and 2nd Edition.

>>53809915
Show me your wipredator and I'll show you mine

>>53811310
Because people keep misreading their rules. They think the teleporter homers every squad can take, let's any squad teleport to that squads location. Which is a gross misreading of the rules.

>>53810097
Nice fluff/10

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Update

>>53811581
>butthurt conscript player

>>53811009
>/pol/
Seriously man, this literally has nothing to do with /pol/.

>>53811554
Oh hell no.

>>53811373
>>53811429
Hmm. Noted. Then intent was it was to be a slow, imperceptible deviation over the course of centuries, with individual convents resulting from a thousand theological differences arising from interpreting the ambiguities in cult doctrine, similar to how Christian denominations arose.

But I see your point. Amended.

>>53811549
Yay

So how would an HQ heavy list do in 8th edition?
Thinking of coming up with a SW list using Logan, Bjorn and Njal for some hero shenanigans

Also shit like what was going down in the last couple threads is what is expected when any group/general gets a discord, that app is a fucking cesspool for shitposting and drama

>>53811554
Literally unbeatable.

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based mod cleaning shit up

But seriously, more classic 40K art please
Pic related: Best version of the Carnifex

Thoughts on this list team? I get the Vendetta isn't a thing but our group has agreed it can be a Valk with 3 pairs of Lascannons.

Battalion Detachment(853)
HQ(2-3)(94)
1. Company Commander(35)
Bolt Pistol & Power Sword
2. Lord Commissar(59)
Plasma Pistol & Power Sword
ELITES(0-6)(207)
1. “Company” Command Squad(51)
Regimental Standard, Medi-pack, Plasmagun, Vox-Caster
2. Platoon Commander(20)
Las Pistol, Chainsword
3. “Platoon” Command Squad(58)
Meltagun, Medi-pack, Plasmagun, Vox-Caster
4. Platoon Commander(20)
Las Pistol, Chainsword
5. “Platoon” Command Squad(58)
Meltagun, Medi-pack, Plasmagun, Vox-Caster
TROOPS (3-6) (300)
1. Infantry Squad(50)
Grenade Launcher, Vox-Caster
2. Infantry Squad(50)
Grenade Launcher, Vox-Caster
3. Infantry Squad(50)
Grenade Launcher, Vox-Caster
4. Infantry Squad(50)
Grenade Launcher, Vox-Caster
5. Infantry Squad(50)
Grenade Launcher, Vox-Caster
6. Infantry Squad(50)
Grenade Launcher, Vox-Caster
HEAVY SUPPORT(0-3)(252)
1. Heavy Weapons Squad (Lascannon) (72)
3x Lascannon
2. Heavy Weapons Squad (Lascannon) (72)
3x Lascannon
3. Basilisk (108)
Heavy Bolter Earthshaker Cannon

Battalion Detachment (Airborne) (1,144)
HQ (2-3) (85)
1. Company Commander (30)
Las Pistol, Chainsword
2. Lord Commissar (55)
Bolt Pistol & Power Sword
ELITES (0-6) (83)
1. Officer of the Fleet (25)
Las Pistol
2. “Platoon” Command Squad (58)
Meltagun, Medi-pack, Plasmagun, Vox-Caster
TROOPS (3-6) (180)
1. Infantry Squad (Flamer/HB) (60)
Flamer, Vox-Caster, Heavy Bolter
2. Infantry Squad (Flamer/HB) (60)
Flamer, Vox-Caster, Heavy Bolter
3. Infantry Squad (Flamer/HB) (60)
Flamer, Vox-Caster, Heavy Bolter
FLYERS (0-2) (796)
1. “Vendetta”(250)
3x Twin Lascannon
2. Valkyrie(188)
Lascannon, 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, 2x Heavy Bolters
Valkyrie(188)
Lascannon, 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, 2x Heavy Bolters
Valkyrie(170)
Lascannon, Hellstrike Missiles

>>53811609
I was thinking about running a SCD with terminator captains/apothecaries, deathwing knights and a spartan. probably wont do too well so maybe only for campaign events and such

Praise the mods!

On topic, how effective are the Ynnari HQ units? The Yvraine seems mandatory to me, but I'm having serious doubts about the other two.

>>53811444
KEK

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so when will the chaos marines be updated i'm waiting for some noise marines wich actually look slaaneshi
>cant wait till the death guard are not hyped anymore and we can move on

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>>53811617

>>53811684
The Hive Tyrant and the Zoanthrope look great.

The gargoyles would look great if it wasn't for those guns.

>>53811609

Commander spam as Tau looks surprisingly effective compared to other options

>>53811609
If you ran only characters then each time an enemy unit fires it can only target one character at a time.

So a giant Immortal blob can only shoot at 1 character at a time. The next blob can only shoot at the next closest character. Would be pretty annoying depending on the army.

>>53811609
I'm gonna be running my Exalted Tetrad still once my renegades get rules.

>>53811684
>>53811617
To be honest, my favorite part of the old nid art is imagining it as all canon as each fleet starts accelerating their mutations until we end up with what we have now

>>53810109
The gin. You are not a quitter are you anon?

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I wanna' do like an orange Necron army but I'm not sure how to do it. Orange is a rough color to do stuff with and I don't want to look at my doods and feel like it's Halloween constantly.

>>53811677
The same time we get plastic Fiends and a Start Collecting! Daemons of Slaanesh box.

Shortly before the Sisters get plastics.

>Monstrous Boneswords are AP-2
>All the other Monstrous and Massive melee weapons are AP-3
What is the thinking behind this? Also Lashwhips are hilariously bad.

>>53811819
Get halloween themed napkins, and use glue to create little tiny cloaks for your necrons to wear. You glue the napkins together, not the napkins to the necrons.

>>53811832
I un-ironically want to start a Slaanesh force, mixed CSM and daemons, but some of the models are so dated/ugly I'm just pushed away from it. Give me less crab people and more Sigvald style things.

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Rate my DKoK tank, reposted from last thread

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>>53811819

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>>53811838
What if I glued the Necrons together?

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>>53811617
Despite how impractical the old fex is, i still want the model updated and released as a new model, the beauty of nids is that they can just add a bioform whenever they want and not having it be lore destroying trash. Also thank the emperor the slaanesh splerg and the cheetah faggot is gone.

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>>53811819
Metallic orange

Learn how to use metallic pigments.

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>>53811859
fucking hell

>>53811859
wtf is this

Are Kabalite Trueborn worth it over warriors? It looks like an extra 4ppm for basically 1 extra attack, and 1ld on the sergeant.
An extra special weapon too, iirc, but I'm not sure it's worth it, given it changes the cost of a squad of 10 from 70 to 110, at base load out.

>>53811859
You sure that ain't supposed to be a basilisk? That shit looks like an SPG with that gun elevation.

>>53811854
I feel you. I'd be buying the 3rd ed. Daemonettes if they weren't $75 per five. They just look better than the ones we have now, but whatever, ya' know? Gotta' work with what you've got. I'm getting some new daemons in the mail soonish so I'm going to be greenstuffing the shit out of the Slaanesh ones desu.

>>53809827
So how are each of the assassins looking this edition?

>>53811859
Looks odd now, but could look really good when painted

>>53811862
>>53811862
That could be spooky. I don't know if you've played skyrim, but there's a mod called clockwork. If you have, you might know the thing I'm referencing when I say you could make some really creepy models with that.

>>53811901
you take a squad of 5 trueborn and plop them down in a venom with 4 special weapons. then against scourges do the same thing for cheaper so idk if its worth it per say, its more of a value judgement

>>53811887
>>53811876
StuG styled conversion, the local guys are super nice about the whole WYSIWYG stuff so this is my intended tank command

>>53811947
Vindicare is weird, he's got the perfect sniper stats except for a fucking pathetic D3 damage
Culexus is fantastic as always, guaranteed to fuck any psyker's shit up.
Callidus is pretty good with the new deepstrike, you're guaranteed to be able to at least fuck up 1 special snowflake squad thanks to the D6 + 3" rule.
Eversor is the one I'm not sure about, it seems mediocre at best although lots of people are memeing about spamming him. I'll have to test him on the battlefield to get a proper idea of it.

>>53811947
Cheap. Vindicare is mediocre, d3+1 wounds is trash even at his price. Eversor is 70 points and has better than 50% chance to make a turn 1 charge, has 8 attacks on the charge, and isnt unique. Callidus is also likely to pull off a turn 1 charge, and her sword denies invuln saves, making her great against just about everything. Culexus is, as always, insanely good at shutting down psychic bullshitery, but psykers have mostly been nerfed so he's now merely a good assassin instead of being better than all the others put together.

>>53811916
Yeah I did notice the gun was too high maybe I'll bring it down before priming this coming week.

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>>53811819
Could do mephrit dynasty, guide is in whitedwarf #46 I think. Or isn't the forgeworld Cron dynasty pretty much just leadbelcher and orange? They also got a couple characters coming for the fw dynasty.

I like painting the oranges on my guys but until I figure out the best way to shade them they kinda look like pumpkins

>>53811859
>no guards on the sides of the treads
>fixed cannon instead of a turret, forcing the entire vehicle to pivot in order to line up shots
Impractical crap/10

>>53811987
FLG claims Eversor is the best assassin now by far.

Has there been any release on the dataslates for the FW Nid models?

>>53812003
Excellent concept aside from that, and it looks less butchered than it could. I think you were going for a jagdpanzer, but you kinda ended up with a closed topped sturmpanzer or hummel.

>>53812047
They teased the Malanthrope, we haven't seen any others yet

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>>53812029
Holy heck anon those are super cute

>>53812029
I'm digging those paint jobs. The space Egyptian theme really gets me and I'd love to write some kind of Thousand Sons/Necron team-up because they'd love each other's aesthetic and try to out "I'm more dead than you" each other.

>>53812046
Better than the Culexus?
I don't believe that for a second.
How's he supposed to be good again?

>>53812060
How many points is it?

>>53812046
They're actually p. good though. Eversors can make charges out of their special rule setup very reliably with the 3d6" charge distance, and they can output 4 hits per turn at S4 Ap -1 hitting on 2s with wound rerolls and 6 more again but at S5. This is a close combat full retard.

>>53812030
3/reich
Needs Schürzen

>>53812046

mortal wound bio meltdown, does a good deal of attacks on charge.

>>53812030
Realistically, it's an excellent german-style TD. Short profile 'n whatnot.

>>53812046
Balls, he's now good, but that is all. Best is still culexus, worst is vindicare, eversor and callidus are good but specialised around different things-Callidus is an assassin, eversor clears marines like putty and is a good all-purpose blender unit.

I asked in the last thread, but then the last thread self destructed.

Do ceramic necrons ever look good?

>>53812124
Anything can look good with a good paint job.

>>53812117
Eversor is now anti-everything actually. The only marine units that will ever see the power sword used will be the 2+ saves.

>>53812117
Would it have killed them to make his rifle deal 2d3 damage to characters?

>>53812050
I feel like I used wayyyy to much glue, and I want to get something to go in-between the wheels, but I appreciate it man.

Chimera sides and bottom, Russ top

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>>53812064
>>53812069
Thanks!
Also if what you were looking for was orange-metallic crons I don't know how well it would work but in theory you could use fuegan orange shade over a regularly painted warrior a few times and he'll have an orangish hue but still be metallic.
I tried to paint a purple Necrons and that's how I did it. I like the color but he came out too purple so I've just been using him to test colors on. I don't know if it would work with the fuegan orange tho as that wash seems a little brownish when applied en masse

>>53812137
GW seems to have neglected playtesting for anything other than footslogging MEQ and eldar

>>53812137
On a 6+ it deals d6. That's decent. Considering he cuts -2 off of enemy hits rolls in cover, he's legitimately hard to kill in the shooting phase.

Plus his gun ignores invuln, so that damage is coming off of a soft-mortal wound.

>>53812137
It's a bit of an odd spot as you don't want them so efficient at killing characters they don't become worth taking anymore.

>>53812072
Culexus was mainly good before because of the psychic deathstar meta. He got nerfed and shutting down psykers is no longer critical, so Culexus is more niche now.

>>53812117
See above. This isn't 7th edition anymore, Culexus is still good but nowhere near what he was.

>>53812117
While culexus is lolsy because of his etherium, his firepower is lackluster against characters, and he's useless against hordes. He is still only really top-tier against psykers.

>>53811705
>tfw sisters can take a 15pt character
>103 characters at 2000pts with mandatory HQ tax

It's oh so very very shitty, but hilarious.

Right, I've finally finished reading the spoilers for both imperial books and all I gotta say is, fluffy axe wielding Space Wolves are back and the Mechanicus has cornered the market on plasma spooge.

>>53811967
The advantage I see is they come in the Start Collecting, but I feel I'd be better off running them as warriors and buying scourges anyway.
The only other thing is if you need to fill in an elites slot.

if someone showed up with this list for a casual game would they be called a waac player and get their models smashed?

what if it it had more drones but fewer tanks using the FA formation instead of the HS formation?

>>53812229
>Mechanicus

Lol, Dark Angels Black Knights have assault 2 plasma guns on their bikes now.

>>53812029
shade the orange with white bro

>>53811283
Id buy some venoms throw all ur kabalites into them, sure a nice mix of hellions and maybe even some beatst masters would be a nice hammer/anvil list. Maybe add some trueborn with blasters and throw them in a raider

>>53812266
>Black Knight spam is still viable
>endless tables of black knights turbo boosting with their assault 2 plasma guns

Hmm. Do you have to charge to initiate combat, assuming no units are currently engaged? Or can you move your units 1 inch away from another unit naturally, and get combat without charging?

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>>53812261

>>53812285
You have to charge or use a pile in/consolidate move. You can't move within 1" during the movement phase.

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found my two other punisher cannons. triple punisher tank commanders tomorrow.

>>53812300

No AP, not even that good at killing hordes. Punishers are out of the meta. Paskisher is dead.

>>53812261
>>53812287
Stop playing with barbaric cavemen and your models won't get smashed.

>>53812313
It's still one of the better Russ variants.

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>>53812313
It has it's roll, unlike other main guns for the Russ

>>53812287
Why would you think this list is WAAC?

>>53812287
Heavy infantry might be a problem. Also enemy characters.

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Are ruststalkers good yet

>>53812340
people were going on about how overpowered gun drones and hammerheads are now, although I don't really see it personally

>>53812377
Short answer: No.

>>53812283

Yea. I need more Venoms even though I love the look of raiders more. I need Venoms and ravagers for sure.

>>53812335

Honestly, the russ isn't really necessary anymore. Anything a russ could do, a manticore or wyvern could do better.

>>53812383
They're both very good at what they do, but they aren't unreasonably powerful. Also the two of them together probably isn't enough to make an entire list.
>>53812287
How do you intend to use the seeker missiles on Longstrike? You have no Markerlights, so they're hitting on 6s.

>>53811705
Given you can split fire with anything now wouldn't you just do that?

>>53812416
You have to choose targets before resolving shots, so you have to dump into the closest character.

>>53812405
it was just one seeker missile to fill points

maybe it would be better to take a a pair of marker drone in each squad?

>>53812416
Characters can only be targeted if they are the nearest unit.

>>53812377
You can't tell by looking at their fucking rule?

Lost every fucking thing that make them "okay" in 7th. Yeah go figure.

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Can someone cook up a fluffy 1500-2000 point list for Death Guard?
I plan on getting Dark Imperium and would like suggestions as to what miniatures to add and the general tactics of the Death Guard.

I feel like Tox Sacs may be not worth it on warriors running Boneswords. They synergize well with Rending Claws but otherwise?

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>>53812384
But they're so cool. Are the Infiltrators still better than them?

>>53812425

Something to buff drones might be nice

>>53812425
Markerlights wouldn't be a bad idea. It may also be dangerous to have your drones in large squads like that, as it makes them more vulnerable to morale losses from concentrated fire.

Also >>53812446

>>53812439
Toxin Sacs are good on Hive Tyrants and Rending Warriors, worthless on everything else.

>>53812440
Infiltrators had their Neurostatic Aura nerfed, lost their extra 3" when charging, but have the advantage of being able to infiltrate 9" away from an enemy so they can charge turn 1.

They can be ok but can be countered if your opponent deploys correctly. Though if they set up in such a way that a turn 1 charge might not result in you getting any good targets you can just have them arrive a turn or two later as needed.

>>53812467
the detachment limits to only 2 fast attack units

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>>53812401
Taking a hit and being an HQ choice come to mind, I'm also not sure how the math comes out once you add in hull and sponson weapons. But in general Manticore or Wyvern will still be strong. I'm just hoping heavy artillery batteries will be good.

>>53812486
Genestealers?

>>53812492
Take a second detachment then, if you really want a bunch of drones. Commanders are one of the most efficient units right now- You could take a second detachment as Outrider using a Commander with Drone Controller and a bunch of drone units.

So wait, are custom Ork Klans no longer a thing? Are there only the main ones?

>>53812422
>>53812426

Oh right, yeah.
I was thinking if you plink off you keep firing, but if you kill em move on, but not allowed.

>>53812542
Yeah, commanders are good for their cost too
Buff the drones to make them better

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So to kick off 8th edition my group is have a massive 3v1 match. Blood Angels, Death Watch, and World Eaters vs 4k points of Orks. We each have 1333pts to work with. What do you guys think of my contribution?

>>53812431
just play 7e where you still have marks of chaos

>>53812540
4 fucking points per model for a situational buff that is wasted on most targets?

>>53812552
there aren't any klans atm