Modern General

Will SFM never see an unban literally because swords are too strong when tutored?

This is some bullshit. White cant have anything but sideboard material.

>Creatures
4 Mausoleum Wanderer
4 Judge's Familiar
2 Phantasmal Bear
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Leonin Arbiter
3 Selfless Spirit
2 Rattlechains
4 Spell Queller
3 Aven Mindcensor
1 Restoration Angel
>Noncreatures
4 Path to Exile
4 Smuggler's Copter
>Land (22)
4 Hallowed Fountain
3 Adarkar Wastes
4 Seachrome Coast
2 Plains
2 Island
2 Moorland Haunt
4 Ghost Quarter
1 Cavern of Souls

I did some testing with this pile of shite at my LGS earlier and it actually held up fairly well despite being a rough deck.

>Living End
If you can get down anything disruptive to mana early on, they struggle. They also have no real answer to Spell Queller. Went like 3-2. Might have named Bear on Cavern one time.
>Grixis Shadow
Pretty tough matchup if they can get anything big down fast. Would probably come down to sideboards honestly. Went like 2-3 though.
>Counters Company
Pretty bad matchup just because they rely on their creatures quite a bit. Went like 2-3 I think.
>Bushwacker Blitz
I cannot touch this deck. Daaaamn. 0-3.
>RG Scapeshift
Tough matchup, though multiple Arbiters and some disruptive dudes really help you out. I won a game by GQ'ing a Mountain in response to Scapeshift which fucked up his land count. 2-3 I think.

The Leonin Arbiters really underperformed. Mindcensor felt too slow to be impactful. And before you ask, Phantasmal Bear is there because I really want to curve out smoothly, and he's the most aggressive thing there is. Could've used Dryad Militant, but wanted style points.

>>53806319
You are now realizing that Vizier is white.

Your waifu is never getting unbanned. Get over it.

>>53806550
So is anafenza. But do-nothing cards unless you're comboing off aren't strong. Vizier does LITERALLY nothing unless you get your combo pieces down.

>>53806598
...and? What are you expecting, mono-white midrange?

>>53806716
I want DnT to be an actual deck and not one that just folds to itself.

That's all.

>>53806819
Eldrazi & Taxes is a thing.

Modern is not Legacy.

>>53805811
>playing
Eldrazi Tron
>hating
Eggs
>brewing
Not sure what to go for next. Death and taxes? Dredge? Abzan coco? UWx control? Something that's more decision-heavy than Eldrazi Tron.

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did not get a response last thread
how good are manifest decks?

>>53807513
bad

>>53806851
Modern might as well be legacy considering how expensive it has gotten.

>>53807590
>Modern Jund still costs less than a single Tabernacle

Is it worth dedicating extra sideboard space for the Lantern matchup?

>>53808036
I thought you said spice at first. Now I'm not answering.

>>53808036
For reference, I already board in Kataki, Rec sage and little Thalia. The matchup is making me consider a Stony Silence on top of that but I'm not sure if it's worth it.

>>53808036
In a tourny meta probably not, locally if you have a decent amount of lantern and affinity then maybe.

>>53807513
Unfortunately your card is pretty much the best one. Somebody took me by surprise at casual night by manifesting then flickering emrakul but that's seriously not a deck

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I made combo deck based around me not being able to read and missing the "may" in this card. But, for a few games neither could my opponents.

>have a leveler, lol

>>53806319
You've been whining about this for weeks now. You should probably try and move on with your life.

>>53808082
To be honest you're probably better off just going as aggro as possible and hoping you kill them before they find the bridge. You can't win the long game.

>>53808318
You realize it's cheating to intentionally miss your own triggers, right?

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>see all around GBx lists running Tracker even as a one of

Ok, did I miss something? Or is Tireless Tracker seems to get more and more attention both in modern and legacy.

>>53808667
well i figured she would if your a fan of artifacts, she can pump em out like crazy.

I have a one of of her, i think i might trade it away if it doesnt rise in price

>>53808604
I meant, I made the deck over me actually missing the "may". Then I realized what an idiot I was after someone actually read it.

>>53808667
I mean, I get it it's a "decent" body that gets you card advantage for playing bodie also
>typing when drunk
Fuck

>>53808711
Well I just can't process how people run it in GBx lists since it's a 3/2 for 3 mana.

Yeah, he grows with time and gives card advantage but still
>3/2 for 3 mana

I love the card but I can't figure it out why.
Even folks at my LGS catched up and run it more and more often.

>>53808667
It's decent card drawing engine and turns into a monster/a bunch of cards if unanswered. Has nice synergy with fetches too.

>>53808769
maybe a 3 mana arifact engine is just that good

>>53808778
>>53808805
>>53808667
Maybe I should get myself a playset even just in case.

I still remember getting called a retard for trying to run BA and TT despite their value.

>>53808866
BA?

>>53808866
i would pass you mine but i cant exactly reach through my computer screen.

And plus i would want somthing for it too.

>>53808935
Blessed Alliance, even as a sideboard option.

I love the card tho.

>>53807513

this card is awesome and so is whisperwood elemental

unfortunately neither are actually good enough for modern and the rest of the manifest cards are worse

>>53808769
Because if your opponent doesn't kill it you end up with 5-6 clues and the part of the game where you would go to topdeck mode gets pushed back a few turns.

BGx is really stupid when they get to draw cards on top of everything else they do.

>>53805811
>thoughts on meta
Twin should have been unbanned.

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// 60 Maindeck
// 1 Artifact
1 Vedalken Shackles

// 13 Creature
4 Vendilion Clique
4 Mistbind Clique
4 Spellstutter Sprite
1 Thing in the Ice

// 21 Instant
4 Mana Leak
4 Remand
1 Spell Pierce
4 Spell Snare
4 Cryptic Command
4 Hieroglyphic Illumination

// 24 Land
4 Mutavault
3 Faerie Conclave
16 Island
1 Pendelhaven

// 1 Sorcery
1 Ancestral Vision


// 15 Sideboard
SB: 3 Vedalken Shackles
SB: 1 Engineered Explosives
SB: 4 Delver of Secrets
SB: 3 Threads of Disloyalty
SB: 1 Dispel
SB: 3 Ceremonious Rejection


Can I get some C&C on this deck?

>>53811883
Serum Visions is better than Hieroglyphic Illumination.

>>53805811
Storm too stronk for modern

>>53806319
I think the main issue is batterskull tutoring. Being able to slam batterskull turn 3 is immensely powerful.

>>53811983
Yeah. Or you can just run Think Twice

>Ash Zealot
>Harsh Mentor
>Grand Abolisher
>Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
>Magus of the Moon
>Mirran Crusader I guess

>Thalia's Lieutenant
>Champion of the Parish

Humans and punishing creatures are my two favourite things to do in magic lately.

Can any combination of cards above act as the backbone/sideboard to a deck? Those all happen to be some of my favourite cards in the entire game. Harsh Mentor is new friend.

>>53808540
>weeks

You want to know how I know you've only been here a few weeks?

>>53812397
Your deck is a meme

>>53812454
Your format is a meme.

I'm honestly just curious.

>>53812397
What do you think of human CoCo decks?
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15803&d=297007&f=MO

>>53812522
It looks pretty cool. I played Standard during the CoCo era so I definitely know how it plays. Was hoping to branch away from that, but yeah, it's worth looking into.

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I'm a new-ish player. Can someone explain to me how this card is good?

>>53812635
You cheat it with effects like cascade, then play it for free after you've cycled a bunch of fatties into your yard.

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>>53812629
What about building it sort of like a RW Stompy variant? You could pile on Blood Moons and Magus of the Moons along with some Ensnaring Bridges. You could try Thorn of Amethyst along with Thalia. It's a shame that Human's don't really have any good lords.

>>53812663
But what if it brings out a huge board for you opponent? It still sounds terrible for me. I just don't understand I guess.

>>53812800
Living end typically doesn't put your opponents creatures in the yard.

>>53812800
You can use cards like Faerie Macabre or Leyline of the Void to get rid of unwanted cards in their graveyard if you need to.

>>53812837
>>53812874
Alright I watched some YouTube videos and now I realize this deck is insane, thanks

>>53812779
That actually sounds pretty dope. It'd be a fun thing to tinker with, since I'm sure human lords in white will eventually arrive, or have other cards to slot in.

>>53811983
Glyphs is moreso a 4cmc instant draw like Gimmer, with an upside of cycle instead of 2 scry+energy.
Neat design space but I'm still not sold, waiting for them to print the Glimmer variant without the useless energy.

Also I saw a Grixis control guy run Pull from Tomorrow with decent success as a sort of non-white sphinx rev for 15.
Guy did a minirev, discarded a lategame thoughtseize he drew, was some cool tech.

>playing
Grixis ninjas
>hating
Tron
>brewing
rakdos control
>Metagame thoughts
DS and tron everywhere and it needs to stop

>>53812397
Here's what you do:

You get Thalias, Leonin Arbiters, a couple new Thalias and then just throw throw in anything you want and tune a little to the game you're expecting. Aether Vials and Path of Exiles are standard. There are a million combinations of creatures that will work. You can go the aggro humans route is fine and the slower hatier one is decent too.

>>53807737
No it doesn't, are you retarded?

>>53813356
>rakdos control
Why? Blood Moon?

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>>>53805811
What does UW fold to?
Was thinking about making a deck built around supreme verdict.

>>53814557
Jank, variance, burn, and CoCo.

>>53812140
Basically any deck worth running has answers to that line of play. White still lacks a real proactive early game play.

>>53813390
Hatebears doesn't work. Quit shilling that shit. Hatebears has been power crept out(teir 4 status). All of the major decks have newers cards that has made the game plan weaker, whereas hatebears is still playing with mediocre pre 2011 tech. They need to print newer relevant hatebears and not shit like vyrn wingmare, thalia 2.0 (god this card is shit) and selfless spirit. We need GOOD redundant thalia and arbiter effects and a GOOD game ending threat in white that's 3 cmc or less. Until this happens hatebears won't do shit, even at an fnm level.

>>53815510
Not that guy, but here's how you make Hatebears work in Modern:

You stop being a pathetic little cuck who believes everything he hears and cut your fucking Aether Vials because those cards are not good in Modern. Like holy shit what are you trying to do with that thing? Sneak threats past a counterspell? This isn't even considering that Modern Wx Hate generally has to play a bigger spread of CMCs than the Legacy version. And I cannot count the number of times I've seen the deck fold because Aether Vials are dead draws after your opening hand because Modern doesn't have the ability to fish up card advantage engines like Sword of Fire and Ice or grindy twats like Batterskull through a Stoneforge Mystic to compensate.

You want the deck concept to work? Drop the fucking green and add blue. Your new tech is Spell Queller, Mausoleum Wanderer, and Smuggler's Copter. Now Selfless Spirit becomes a better card and you get to cheese people out with Moorland Haunt.

Go play my list in >>53806364 and you'll see it has far better chops than GW versions. And that's just a rough first draft of a list. It's already dropped the Resto Angel and Mincensors for 2 Geists and 2 Lyev Skyknights (see: good cards no one plays because no one else plays them).

>>53814309
Not him, but I'm brewing the same thing. Red handles creatures, black does hand disruption.

>>53814309
>Why? Blood Moon?
>>53815875
>Not him, but I'm brewing the same thing. Red handles creatures, black does hand disruption.
Correct for the most part, I was playing blue moon and it has some extremely jarring weaknesses, it's really bad at handling threats if they should resolve and they often do since I eventually run out of counters or don't have the right one.

Not sure if this will work but I'm waiting on the cards to come in to try out since I don't mtgo. A general outline of the deck, LoTV & LtLH, Chandra, ToD, terminates, pushes, k-command, bob, grim lavamancers, blood moon, bridges, and a mogis cause he's kind of cute.

>>53816252
Forgot hand disruption is of course there as well, 3/3 iok/ts

>>53815586
You want hatebears to work?

Jam half your creatures as eldrazi.

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I'm working on a b/w tokens deck. Why does no one play copter in it? It seems perfect. What am I missing?
>>53808216
<----

>>53817720
Eldrazi Taxes is fine. Thought Knot Seer actually fucks with your opponent which is the whole point of the deck. Vial in a deck with CMC4 creatures in still feels retarded.

>>53818710
Nobody plays Copter because they netdeck. The card is a house honestly. Gets rid of Thoughtseizes you don't need, Sorins you can't cast, and gets in for good damage. Play it, friend.

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>>53818806
You got it.

>>53818710
>>53818806
>>53818999
Copter was tried by many people, it didn't quite match up with traditional lists due to not working with intangible virtue and making your opponents instant speed removal live. Tokens are good because you get more value out of a single card than the opponent does on their removal, and you maximize your tokens through anthems, and ESPECIALLY with Sorin, as he gives you tremendous lifegain. Many decks in modern just can't handle how much life you gain, allowing you to race them easily.

Also, most people run 4 Inquisitions and 2 Thoughtseizes. I have seen lists that have 8 discard, don't think that is very good. Check the mtgsalvation thread for tons of discussion.

Personally I don't run bitterblossom, mainly because I don't have money, but also because it allows me to play honor of the pure, giving me more anthems which are required for tokens. Also, Raise the Alarm is just much faster than Bitterblossom.

>>53819163
Can I see your list?

>>53819163
Copter doesn't work well with Thalia but they're still popping up in lists together.

>>53819425
I'm actually surprised how de-hyped the spoilers made me.

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I've made the plunge and decided to just mainboard Leyline of Sanctity in my jank decks. With the meta so discard heavy, it seems like a decent choice.

Shuts down most of Shadow's interaction, cuts out burn, turns off Thought-Knot, destroys 1 plan off titanshift and as an added bonus, counters Gives Ungiven from storm.

>>53822688
That's the reason why i main revelry. That and 3 affinity player out of 8-10

>>53822688
I actually think that right now is a fantastic meta for some type of white enchantment/ideal deck.
Clean moon-safe manabase, creatureless core, ability to ramp via Nyx. With 4 Leyline mainboard, prison cards (Ghostly and Sphere) and some Nodes, Runed Halos... plenty of flexible cards too like Dsphere/Oring, Greater Auramancy, Journey to Nowhere (or even guardduty/chainedtorocks), and maindeckable hate like RiP/Supression. Could splash blue or red for Seas/Moon.

Sideboard a Starfield of Nyx too for when they board out creature removal, idk it could be decent

>>53822963
Just say fucket, and beatdown with Serra Angel

>>53822963
Yeah I was talking to a few friends about just building modern leylines/ starfield. You got so much haterade to go off with.

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>>53823005
>SerraAngelsIntensify
Luminarch is cool, too.

>>53823079
>I'll Fatal Push your Rest in Peace

>>53823119
>>53823079
Imho Nyx is a solid wincon, an amazing engine and an all around baller card, but truly shines in the board.
It brings back enchantments they've killed and generally doesn't turn on those Terminates that have been stuck in your opponent's hand more in postboard matches

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>playing
been on grixis control/delver for years, just getting back into playing and realizing how much i'm lacking fatal pushes

>hating
not getting my fatal pushes in the mail yet

>brewing
jeskai saheeli rai + felidar guardian, although i like how the 4 colour creature toolbox builds look too

>Metagame thoughts
hoping once i finish saheeli the white splash will open up maindeck space and sideboard space to sure up my deaths shadow matchup which is most of the meta at my FLGS

>thoughts on the recent tournaments
getting back into playing always means lots of losses to misplays that i would have otherwise won, especially with a deck as punishing as grixis delver/control. my turn 4 oops i won combo deck might be good to ride for awhile

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Can I use this because I'm too poor to buy Karn?

>>53824177
You COULD
Probably won't be as good as karn, but probably the closest thing you could get to it.

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thoughts my dudes?

>>53824698
I'll get rid of Kiki Jiki and Nahiri. Put in another Evolution, 1 Reflector Mage, and possibly a Blade Splicer. 4 color saheeli is a dudes first then combo is plan B

>>53808731
doesn't matter. you pick out a flicker like Glimmerpoint stag or Flickerwisp and no matter what the opponent does, you get back your emrakrul and attack

>>53805811
im just curious (and new, yes laugh) but why is dredge good? i thought it was bad to put creatures in the graveyard.

>>53805811
I came back to magic like yesterday, why is OPs card expensive now? I remember when it was like 50 cents. In fact I still have like 2

>>53825557
But it's not expensive

>>53825634
isnt it like 10$ now?

>>53825675
>$10
>expensive
We sure have a lot of Wendy's chefs in this general.

>>53825703
>he thinks paying 40$ for a set of cardboard is cheap
ypu still havent said anything about the increase in price from 0.5 to 10

>>53825739
>waaaah spoonfeed me
Obviously it became a top deck

>>53825739
dat 2000% markup though

>>53825809
welcome to tcgs

>>53825395
Because they put the creatures from their graveyard onto the battlefield. Blood Ghast and Prized Amalgam just keep coming back.

>>53826027
oh, its like the dammed fuck doesnt stay down sort of thing gotcha.

isnt there some form of graveyard removal?

What modern deck should I get? Titanshift or eldrazi tron? Both are fun to play after around 20 matches, but i am concerned that they may be too much like Gx Tron, which I found boring due to how reactive it was, how it could be disrupted and how it could lose even after assembling tron. Eldrazi Tron is definitely more proactive and would give a nice contrast to the other decks I play (ad nauseam/storm), but I am worried that the enjoyability of it is inflated due to its tier 1 position in the meta (Gx tron was a fun deck when it was winning).

Titanshift meanwhile seems like a safer pick both in a meta/gameplay sense and its pieces are more universally used in other decks, but I am concerned that it loses in a way too similar to tron compared to eldrazi tron. Which deck seems like the better pick?

>>53826047
Yea and it's usually in sb. Relic of progenitus comes to mind

>>53826319
I say eldrazi tron just because t2 TKS into t3 reality smasher is fucking gross and amazing.

>>53824815
Right, but that requires 2 cards in top 10 instead of 1.

Is kolaghans command good against titanshift?

>>53827506
No. Why would it be?

Modern General, what have your experiences with playmats been? Any in particular you'd buy again or avoid? I am heavily considering buying into a mat

>>53827506
doesn't seem very good
instant speed discard can be good since most of their business is sorcery speed and i guess you could recur a fulminator mage but probably most of the time, k command will be weak

>>53826047
dredge is known for being good when the meta is light on graveyard hate

So last week when I got back from some kitchen table magic with a bunch of friends I realized that all the jace the mind sculptors in my binder are missing.

I'm so fucking pissed and confused right now. I don't know who did it and I thought that all of these people were my friends.

I don't know what to do.

I'm seriously considering giving up magic.

Has anyone had cards stolen before?

>>53827809
>playmats
Just a way of putting a barrier between your card and the table. Makes card/table interaction more consistent too, since you know the amount of friction that will occur.

They're fine to play without, especially in kitchentable, but they are nicer than the plastic tables common to LGS.

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>>53828054
This feels like a reddit shitpost.

Time stamp and binder, put some value cards in to confirm at least that you're not a poorfag.

>>53826828
>>53827672
Thought so. Was just wondering if getting screwed by a K-Command game 3 was due to my opponent sideboarding poorly or me not playing around it.

>>53827809
I own 2 Inked Playmats playmants and they are both great. I also have a gamesday champion mat, which is also nice. I'd avoid getting anything with a lot of white though because it stains and gets dirty easily.

>>53828177
i've done about a year of modern with no mat and it wasn't that bad when i was just rocking ultra pros but now with dragons shields, the cost of new sleeves for a couple decks is equal to the cost of a mat.

>>53828253
cool. a custom inked is high on my list right now. are the game day champion mats just printed ultra pros?

>>53829186
Yeah pretty sure they're just ultrapro mats. Inked is great and playmats in general make playing so much better. I don't know who anyone who doesn't use a playmat.

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>>53815510
Way to twist the knife there. I'm just trying to find a deck I can play outside of motherfucking standard, yo.

>>53823359
>Grixis delver
I actually haven't seen anyone playing that in quite a while until yesterday where I completely crushed it 2-0 and all it took was a t1 chalice on 1.

>>53829186
Inked custom mats are the way to go my dude.

>>53826828
Nasty but if you can draw into 2 temples and TKS and not get it thoughtseized, then they probably deserve it.

>>53826319
Titanshift essentially is similar to Tron in the sense that they're both goldfish decks. Once you finish fishing, usually by turn 4 ideally then you win. Titanshift has options but in general, it's weaker than tron by a lot because there are things that can completely shut you down but nothing shuts down tron, everything can only slow down tron.

>>53828054
Was breaking up my blue moon today, realized I don't have one of my foil blood moons and EE. It was most likely stolen by some douche I was playing last week in a local tournament.


>>53828191
really man?

What is the draw to Death and Taxes/Eldrazi and Taxes?

It can't slow down aggro decks fast enough, it doesn't outgrind midrange decks and it doesn't disrupt tron decks efficiently enough.

The only deck I've had success beating is UW control. Everything else just runs over it. You almost need a god hand to even do what the deck is intended to do

>>53830987
The attraction is that there's a Legacy deck that exists and some of the cards in it are Modern legal.

I realized some of my cards are bent from heavy play. Whats the best way to unbend them? Should I place a heavy book on each one of them at the time or just put one over the whole deck?

>>53831445
Place them inbetween pages and stack books on them. Also don't riffle shuffle.

Just ordered 4 copies of Runed Halo for my UW D&T board. My other deck is Ponza. How much of a douchefaggot am I?

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>mfw lantern player lets me draw a chalice

>>53833702
>Because he doesn't need to cast anything for the rest of the game anyway

>>53833606
Son, if you gotta ask how big, you already have your answer..

>>53833807
nah, pretty sure he was just a rookie.
he thoughtseized the wrong card like 3 times and when he pyxis'd chalice it was his only mill rock. no bridge on field or in hand

>>53830987
It does beat midrange. Very easily. Kill their lands early game then abuse displacer and Flickerwisp so they never play
I don't know how you're losing to tron either. How can they play their 8 mana karn when you have Ghost Quarters, thought knots and can't search with sylvan scrying

>>53834763
Agreed, E&T can be a pain to play against with the flicker displacer combo on my lands. But then again, a board wipe can always fix things, if he stops fucking around with my lands for a moment.

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Evaporating Melody
XUU
Instant
Gain control of target creature with converted mana cost X.
A bit like threads of disloyalty, but not weak to abrupt decay, and instant. Sideboard playable?

>>53834763
Because the deck doesn't beat turn 2 TKS into turn 3 Smasher and, unless you're on the play and have Leonin AND ghost quarter, you're shooting yourself in the foot by killing their lands.

It also folds to any deaths shadow deck unless they draw zero removal all game. Their top decks are vastly better than yours.

Every one who vouches for DnT always assume your draws are magical Christmas land where your game plan always works out. In my testing, it almost never works out well. Either you land a Leonin that dies to removal or you land the thalia and they ignore it.

>>53834979
The fact that it's instand speed makes it interesting for Stealing man lands. I could see it being good against Jund and non grixis DS builds.

`>>53835500
It would be a lot better in previous metas than this one. Goyf is one of the best targets for this sort of spell but it's not seeing a lot of play right now, while it's not very good against grixis DS, eldrazi, storm, dredge, living end.

>>53823359
Can I see your list? Wanna build a grixis delver for fun, and I like tempo decks.

>>53835000
You're assuming your draws are good enough to get t2 tks and t2 smashers as well. DESU, while I don't think E&T is weak, I also do not think tron is that strong either. I have never had a t2 tks dropped on me before because a good player wouldn't allow that to happen.

>>53836041
and even if you did drop a turn2 tks, so what. It's not like they don't run paths.

>>53812397

Sounds like you want to play Hatebears.

>>53818710

I actually tried Copter in B/W. It's not a bad card but the thing about B/W tokens is that you want to make all their removal bad and to win with virtual card advantage. If they Fatal push one of your Lingering Souls tokens that's basically them answer 1/2 of your Lingering Souls card(or 1/4 if you manage to flashback the card again). Combine that with hand disruption with IoK and Thoughtseize and you win through with a bunch of dudes. Playing copter while great can sometimes just lose you tempo in the deck because they'll wait to fatal push/path/terminate/spot removal your copter and thereby set you back development time.

>>53827500

It does but some guy pulled it off and beat Brad Nelson's Death's Shadow deck during an SCG tournament recently. Brad Nelson was a good sport about it and was laughing the entire time even though he lost.

>>53834979

Could see some play. A little bit more slower than Threads of Disloyalty but I think a deck like U Tron can make up for this anyway. Not sure if they will play it though since it doesn't really improve the bad matchups too much unlike Spatial Contortion and Filigree Familiar did.

>>53834979
>Hey man nice Marit Lage mind if I have a try?

>>53836148
At worst though isn't it just a 1:1? Even if you get in only one or two loots that's a pretty big advantage.

>>53836913

There is a window for your opponent to kill your copter after you crew it and before you declare attacks because your opponent will get priority before you can move to the combat phase so you may never end up getting to loot at all. However if your copter DOESN'T get killed then yes it's a great advantage in a deck that is quite regularly in topdeck mode. But given how your turns curve out you want to be dropping turn 2 Raise the Alarm or turn 2 Bitterblossom and then an intangible virtue or more token generation as the follow up and not the copter which would otherwise lead to very awkward lines of play.

On another unrelated note my testing group and I were all drunk as hell when we saw the spoilers for Kaladesh with Smuggler's Copter and we immediately jammed it an Affinity deck and then hilariously realised that half the creatures in the deck have like 0 power and couldn't do shit to try and crew the copter.

>>53836183
Without something like Congregation at Dawn it's pure chance; on average 59% to hit a payoff card like Emrakul and a flicker card. Otherwise, you might try to bias the odds by shuffling any copies that end up in your hand back in, or selectively milling yourself to remove chaff.

>>53837690

The guy was playing both Dubious Challenge and Through the Breach in his list. Dubious Challenge sees about 10 cards so you have a pretty good chance of hitting what you want. He played other things apart from Emrakul like Griselbrand as well for super valuetown and something like Platinum Emperion and Elesh Norn. He didn't actually need to hit Emrakul since he had other redundant options in it. I'm aware that there is a window for an opponent to play a removal spell like Path or Terminate on the Griselbrand before it flickers though. But hey if you're a guy playing Dubious Challenge you're clearly one to roll with the dice.

>>53837783
The odds of Dubious getting what you want are 59%-63% depending on how many fatties/flickerdudes you pack. It shifts lower if you draw a bunch of payoff pieces, and higher if you don't draw them.

>>53837818

Seems like acceptable odds to me!

>>53836755

I didn't even think of this. Lands players are going to be salty as fuck. Will definitely throw this in my miracles sideboard.

>>53838965
>miracles
Can't tell if trolling or pretending you play legacy

>>53839967
Miracles is still a deck you egg

>>53839967
I'm pretty sure he means topless Miracles senpai.

>>53840101
Lmao. You'll move on one day

>>53837818
>better odds than a coinflip
>Dubious is the best color in Modern

Makes me wonder if there's a shell it could be jammed into as an ez win setup, but the only thing that comes to mind is an existing TKS deck, but then it starts feeling extraneous.

>>53839967

Miracles is still a deck. Remember the deck used to be called COUNTERTOP before it became Miracles. But now that Counterbalance+Top is no longer a reliable way to lock the game they're just changing.

>>53840295
The thing is you have to dedicate a ton of cards to get anywhere near appreciable odds, and even if you try it with regular value creatures you'll still need the Flickerwisps and Stags to not give your opponent the better of the two.

>>53840332
I'm thinking more along the lines of the Abzan/Junk combo, where it doesn't hurt the deck to include it, and it can suddenly win out of the blue.
I don't think Dubious is currently worthwhile as a primary wincon.

I might try it in E&T since giving the opponent a tax card really doesn't hurt me too bad, and E&T already isn't a stellar deck. It's reasonably safe with Displace on board.

>>53840383
Just saying the "better odds than a coinflip" still requires 16 other cards supporting Dubious -- 8 fatties and 8 blinkers.

>>53840434
E&T already has 8 blinkers. I can trim Crusaders, Stranglers, and maybe Splicers or singletons for the other 8, trading small threats for the potential to get big threats and just win.

It's E&T. It's already FNM-only.

>>53841083
What blinker other than Flickerwisp does E&T run?

>>53841109
Displacer.

>>53840108

The new version isn't nearly as strong but it's pretty fun playing cantrip tribal and I don't have anything else to do with the cards.

>>53841137
Oh duh.

>your favorite deck hasnt gotten any new cards since Khans
Depression

>>53842193
you're favorite deck is shit

>>53842193

Manifest is a shit mechanic for kitchen table casuals. I'm glad nobody has to see that garbage ever again.

>>53842250
Im talking about Burn, I want another good red creature not that shit Mentor

>>53842351
>Within the space of 6 months, Legacy Burn got 2 staple creatures that are automatic 4 ofs
Suck my dick.

>>53842385
>2 staple creatures that are automatic 4 ofs
Wew

>>53842351
As a Burnfag myself, it doesn't need to get better. The deck is probably already at, "90% as good as its gonna get". Burn already sets the baseline speed+power for the format, we don't need that to change.

>>53842385
Eidolon and Swiftspear were within 6 months of each other?

>>53842469
I want an Eidolon that hits all noncreature spells

>>53842532
Journey into Nyx, Origins, Khans I believe it was.

>>53842545
You know, maybe if you wish hard enough, it'll happen.

>>53805811
>playing
Naya Allies
>hating
Tron
>brewing
Mono-Red Tron (I have most of the cards, but that crucible of worlds is gonna cost me big)
>Metagame thoughts
okay
>thoughts on the recent tournaments
Dubious Challenge Breach and As Foretold Balance are hilarious decks

>>53812779
I play a naya humans list with thalias lieutenants, hamlet captains, and mayor of avabrucks it does ok, dont forget that BTE and lightning maulers are human.

>>53842683
Play the new pirate when Ixilan drops and go infinite with just about everything.

So exactly how dead is that blue red TITI kiln fiend deck?

>>53843387
Very dead

>>53843387
Non existent due to bans and meta shifts

Has anybody seen that sweet W/B smallpox list on MTGGoldfish? How good would you say the deck is? Seems pretty decent since it has 4 Path 4 Push which is the premium removal right now, also Liliana of the Veil and Spicy things like Smallpox with Flagstones of Trokair and Lingering Souls. Seems like it slays midrange and Burn.

>>53843426
1) Removal doesn't make a deck
2) Lilli doesn't make a deck
3) Souls is a stabilizing tool
4) Smallpox is slow and you don't win with it

If you're talking about https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-wb-smallpox#paper then bear in mind that you're reliant on planeswalkers to win.
You're going to get fucked by any fast deck.

2bh https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/instant-deck-tech-smallpox-modern is better, but still not great.

Smallpox is not good.

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Is this the most obvious case false-flagging you've ever seen?

Which one of you posted this?

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>>53843369
Which card is that?

>>53842351
You'll take your Gontis and you'll LOVE THEM.
>b-but
T H R E E
D A M A G E

>>53844868

I wholeheartedly believe that post is real. This is reddit, where stories of self-pity and playing the victim card are a dime a dozen. "Alt-righters" exist in every platform, and if they can't deal with a relatively small amount of people that hate them, they need to grow some thicker fucking skin. They expect nobody to give them strange looks when they decide to live in a country where it isn't traditional to wear a hijab, of course they're going to get some fucking looks. It would be like Joe Schmo traveling to Saudi Arabia wearing a t-shirt and cargo shorts. Why is this concept hard to grasp for people? I lean to the left pretty hard, but I'm sick of attention-grabs like this from minorities. They end up giving every person involved in their hobby a bad name because they paint them as racist, jackboot wearing skinheads without finding out themselves if that's really the case.

lol I went to an mtg event advertised as modern tonight. decided to play elves. turns out, everyone there were turbo casuals playing with shit they cracked from boosters. I basically just goldfished the night away. I got the turbo nuts and killed a dude on turn 2 and he barely understood what happened.

I feel empty.

>>53845626
Wish I could find metas that casual.

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>>53845626
>I got the turbo nuts and killed a dude on turn 2 and he barely understood what happened.

>>53845626
Is a turn 2 kill even possible with elves? Do you remember the exact sequence?

>>53846614
yeah, but it's so christmasland that I'm still surprised it happened

I'm going to type it out obnoxiously so it's not just a huge block of text

Turn 1:
land
nettle sentinel

Turn 2:
land
nettle sentinel
heritage druid
tap for 3 mana
cast dwynen's elite (1 mana floating)
untap sentinels
tap sentinels + token for 3 mana (4 total)
cast lead the stampede (1 floating)
untap sentinels
reveal nettle sentinel, llanowar elf, heritage druid, craterhoof
tap sentinels + dwynen's elite (back to 4 mana)
cast 3rd sentinel
untap sentinels
tap sentinels (6 mana)
cast llanowar elves (5 mana)
untap sentinels
tap sentinels (8 mana)
go ahead and play out rest of hand, netting mana on each creature
slam craterhoof
craterhoof and very first sentinel are only creatures that can attack, but both get +10/+10 so it's lethal

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I just opened this from my draft price packs. Push is foil. Should I sell?

>>53845374
This post is fake as fuck. Magic players don't have gfs

>>53847067
Can confirm.

>>53847067
Speak for yourself loser

>>53847221
This is the Modern General. You seem to be in the wrong thread.

>>53847221
Loser? But you are also posting on an Ecuadorian stone cutting forum.

>>53847221
I bet she doesn't even have a penis.

>>53846917
Sell push. Unless you have a foiled out deck, or plan to make one, it can fit in.

>>53846917

Keep the Pithing Needle for sure, that artwork is super nice. I'd sell the Fatal Push personally.

>>53847308
>>53847385
Yeah pretty much what I was thinking. Thanks anons.

>>53846917

That's a fucking cool masterpiece. And you can sideboard it pretty much against anything

Could Gonti be used in modern decently?

>>53848593
no

>>53848593
>Bad Baleful Strix

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>>53842545
Closest you're ever getting.

>>53842552
Journey, KTK, FR, DTK, Origins*

>>53850391
A core set came after Journey.

>>53850379
I wish this was playable

>>53850747
Ive thrown down skabby for a win before.

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>>53843668
>removal doesn't make a deck

>>53851945
Do tell

lol Gaby Spartz is aging like shit. She genuinely looks five years older than she did 6 months ago.

>>53852253
x40 PtE can't win a game. You need actual threats that can't just get PtE'd by your opponent.
This is control 101 lad. Everyone else runs less removal, and the story stays the same.

GP Stream now on Twitch.

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>>53852794
women are a meme. Invest in husbando cards if you want something reliable.

>>53852794
THEWALL
H
E
W
A
L
L

>>53852794
>>53852986
Does she have a beta provider yet? I think she's running out of time to snag one, desu.

>>53842193
My favorite deck hasn't gotten a new card since dark acension.

B A N T R O N
A
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T
R
O
N

>>53853934
Tron regulates the meta.
Get fucked controlfag. Blue is never going to be good.

>>53852986
No man on earth can make it fall?

>>53853934
No. Tron is the hero that Modern needs.

>>53852794
>tfw turning 30 but look 20
Should I feel good or bad that 18 year olds don't get carded but I do?

>>53854256
Tron is fucking cancer

>>53853902
Tokens?

>>53854284
Explanation?

>>53843426
This >>53843668

Someone runs Smallpox at a LGS I go to, and I run over it with Affinity every time. I haven't lost a single match.

>>53854284
>>53854256
what does tron do that everyone doent seem to like?

also why is it called tron?

>>53854284
It's Mr. Burns syndrome. Tron stops the real cancer from taking root.

I'll take Tron-bros over control-fags any day.

>>53854315
>Playing insanely pushed cards WAY ahead of curve
What could possibly be worse than this?

>>53854304
>everyone
Only blue-fags and the less cool midrange fags
>why is it called tron?
Ever seen the old Voltron cartoon show?

>>53854304
tron has the most lopsided match ups of any deck.

>>53854333
>checked
>what could possibly be worse than this?
Intolerable blue-fags and their no-fun allowed attitude.

>>53854333
I find it really strange that this is preferable in modern (mainly because of >>53854355 ), but control is exactly what Standard needs to keep the shitty busted card design out of the game.

not that I disagree with either one.

>>53854355
Tron is way more no-fun-allowed than blue decks could ever be. Control decks are by definition interactive, Tron is just a goldfish shit fest where you assemble your lands as quickly as possible then windmill slam every threat you topdeck until your opponent exasperatingly concedes because he was unlucky enough to be paired against such an enormous faggot

>>53854335
i've heard about voltron in passing. is it called that because the vital cards can fit into any color combo?

so i guess the next question is what does it do that pisses off bluefags?
>>53854338
lopsided how so?

>>53854385
We aren't talking about Standard. Modern has its own hosers to keep things in check.
>>53854390
No, no, a thousand times no. Windmill slamming a wrath and then drawing cards while countering everything for 20 minutes before beating in with a colonnade is not what I would call interactive.

>>53854410
>lopsided how so?
Either Tron can never win because it has no meaningful way to interact with what the opponent is doing and casting Karn on 3 doesn't do anything or the opponent can just never beat a turn 3 Karn.

>>53854435
>Counterspells
>Removal
>Not interactive

>>53854410
It's called that because of the Urza lands. They are nicknamed the Urzatron because of the way they "connect".

>>53854455
>not interactive
It's interactive in the same way Lantern Control is interactive. Technically? Yes. From the perspective of the person you are playing against or anyone watching? No.

>>53854456
ooooooooooooooooooooooooh ok

so what does it do that pisses off bluefags?

>>53854435
>We aren't talking about Standard.
I know.

>>53854481
It beats them.

>>53854481
You literally have to counter everything they play starting on turn 3 or you just lose the game on the spot

>>53844868
In my experience, all you have to do is be good at the game (and not an asshole) and people will generally treat you with respect, regardless of gender, skin color, etc.

>>53854524
oooooooooooooooooooooooooh

so bluefags get pissed of at the slightest things, gotcha.

im more grixis/artifacts myself but..... thoes guys seem a bit like babies if there going to wine

>>53854619
>so bluefags get pissed of at the slightest things
Yep. They demand the ability to be able to beat anything and everything. They can't get over the fact that they have bad matchups like the rest of us.

>>53854481
Can't counter lands.

>>53845374

EDGY
E
D
G
Y

>>53854619
Honestly I'm not a bluefag but Tron is cancer. There really is no way to reliably counter the deck unless you're playing Ad Nauseam or a hyper linear fast aggro deck and even those aren't enough anymore because of the advent of GB tron. Blood Moon doesn't even beat the deck, in fact, Blood Moon really only punishes fair decks because Tron just keeps making land drops and plays their shit regardless.

>>53854641
>>53854642
somthing tells me they just run more than a set of mana leak and negate in their decks? cause from the way you guys speak of them they seem to run a fuck-ton of counter cards

>>53805811

>>53854677
The control purist wants to play nothing but card draw, counters, removal, and some inevitable threat just to finish the game.

>>53854104
It really doesnt

>>53854677
Dispel
Spell Snare
Logic Knot
Cryptic Command
Spell Pierce
Force of Will :^)

Some of these far more so than others, but all are possible.

Reminder that blue-fags are the only ones who clamor for bannings / unbannings (obvious exceptions being waifu-fags).

>>53854677
because those just delay the game, but tron has a better late game than control. You don't beat tron by interacting with them, or trying to stop them. Completely ignoring everything they do and trying to win is the best strategy.

>>53854722
thats stupid, i would at least want some more threats rather than playing mana leak like its the only card i have. i would want to run somthing like mind rot or inqusition to mess them up, not just counter everything they do

>>53854803
Hence why Tron is the hero Modern needs.

>>53854820
>thats stupid, i would at least want some more threats
Then you're midrange.
>i would want to run somthing like mind rot or inqusition to mess them up
Second verse same as the first. Sorcery speed discard is dirty to control-fags.

>>53854823
>Promoting degenerate noninteractive goldfishing
>Making anyone a Hero
Tom Ross pls go and stay go, you're the real cancer killing modern

>>53854455
Ad nauseam must be the most interactive deck ever with their angel's graces and pact of negation interactions.

>>53854862
Those are combo pieces and Angel's Grace doesn't even fall under any of the qualifications of that post

>>53854890
They're """interaction"""

stop moving the goalposts anon

>>53854860
>Promoting degenerate noninteractive goldfishing
Yes. This is good, because this is what is fun and what people want to do. You know what isn't fun? Control matches that go to time.
>Making anyone a Hero
You got it. Blue-fags have Legacy.
>killing modern
If by "killing" you mean "more popular than the blue-filled Legacy", then sure.

>>53854906
No one is moving the goal posts, you're the one who is trying to twist the definition of words.

>>53854890
Angel's Grace acts as a fog, interacting with opponents trying to deal damage.

Testing of my UW Jerks deck continues. Played 12 games against Burn today, half with board and half without. Went 7-5 with Runed Halo being a hero and letting me break serve.

>>53854927
>This is good, because this is what is fun and what people want to do.
Might as well just flip a coin. This is not playing Magic, this is playing Solitaire

>>53854947
>I don't understand the way that 'goldfish' decks interact
Try actually learning the format.

>>53854975
I've played modern for much longer than you have, using Angel's Grace's hidden second mode to fog is not "interaction"

>>53855000
>Angel's Grace's hidden second mode to fog is not "interaction"
Then countering a spell isn't interaction either.

>>53855000
I've been here since 2011.

>>53855017
Counterspells are L I T E R A L L Y one spell I N T E R A C T I N G with another

how dense are you?

>>53855042
Fog is L I T E R A L L Y one spell I N T E R A C T I N G with an action

How dense are you?

>>53855055
damage doesn't use the stack you fucking autist

>>53855067
>you can only interact with the stack
ayy lmao

>>53855078
What's what interaction means
that's where all interaction occurs
that's why combat isn't interaction -- it's not using the stack

>>53855067
the game was better when it did

>>53855042
Angel's Grace/Pact of Negation are cards that are meant to prevent people from interacting rather than act as interaction. If you accept this explanation, then you have to concede that counterspells aren't interactive either as they do the same thing.

>>53855108
The game was best in Alpha.
Damage did not go on the stack in Alpha
Therefore, the game was not better when damage went on the stack.

>>53855123
We've been over this.

Damage is not interaction. Interaction uses the stack, and occurs between one card and another. Hitting something with removal is interaction. Using a counterspell is interaction. Flicking a card to avoid a bolt is not interaction. Casting fog is not interaction.

etc.

>>53855123
If you haven't noticed, anon is a Poe.

>>53855173
>a Poe
What the Fuck is this Tumblr Slang

>>53855195
Only Tumblr-fags think Poe is Tumblr-slang.

>>53855214
From my Point of View the Tumblrers are Evil

People like to say theres no interaction outside of blue but i had an insane interactive burn mirror last night.
>I Boros Charm them
>They deflecting palm it
>I skullcrack in response
>They lightning helix me in response
That seems like interaction to me

>>53855224
It's over Tumblr-fag, I have the high ground!

>>53855233
Damage is not interaction

>>53855233
>blue-fags like to say theres no interaction outside of blue
ftfy

The rest of us know better.

>>53855238
"I cast counterbalance"

>>53855246
>Bluefags are this delusional
Holy shit, its S P E L L S doing things to other S P E L L S
The Deflecting Palm is interacting with the Boros Charm but the Skullcrack stopd that interaction but so they can gain life they go for the Helix. Thats interaction fuckboy.

>>53855288
I use "laugh at you for playing counterbalance in a format without brainstorm or top"

>>53855310
>not knowing how to cast top
It's not knowledge you'd learn from the DCI

>>53855349
My allegiance is to the DCI, to the sanctioning body!

>>53855381
I am the DCI

>>53855419
The oppression of the blue-fags will never return!

>>53854285

Tokens actually got a lot of shit recently

1. Blessed Alliance
2. Angushed Unmaking
3. Chad ally of bros
4. Fatal push
5. Collective Brutality
6. That one new 4 mana wrath that kills everything over 3 power

Why are Tronfags so autistic?

Can't even talk about it without the thread devolving into "LUL butthurt control player"

>>53855607
>implying it's tron-fags bashing control players
Hint: everyone hates control-fags.

>>53855572
Blessed Alliance is a wonderful card.

>>53855607
Tron is just a rallying cry against control.

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>>53855654
>>53855607
>everyone but tron fags: FUCK TRON
>control players hear the call of fuck tron: YEAH FUCK TRON
>everyone but control fags: No wait FUCK CONTROL TRON IS FINE
>control fags:

>>53855682
Tron is a control deck.
It controls the format :^)

>>53855682
This is completely accurate.

No matter how much you may dislike Tron, control is worse.

>>53855715
how do we know that control is disgusting if we don't allow it to exist?

>>53855741
Because it exists anyway. Tron just helps keep it in check.

>>53855741
>But Rabbi how will the people know of Hitler's lies if we don't let them read Mein Kampf and see for themselves?

>>53855741
because it exists elsewhere and its degenerate af

People think that creatures the tappening is amazing. When did this shift happen I was unaware. I have no hate against aggro, control, tron, or combo. But if the format is being limited to mostly aggro with a bit of combo and control, something is incredible wrong.

>>53855715
I'd rather play against Control than win or lose depending on if my opponent played Karn on turn 3 or not.

>>53856048
MaRo is a Timmy

>>53856048
Turns out, the people who crack packs are dumb, and 50% of MtG revenue comes from people buying for kitchentable.
so >>53856104 is halfway there.

The MtG model is killing MtG

>>53856048
>bit of combo
Ummmmm....
>When did this shift happen I was unaware.
Years ago?
>>53856100
You're free to your personal opinion.

>>53856135
Sir, what is the predominantly played type in modern right now? Aggro right? What is the second Combo, by 20-30% lower depending on what numbers you look at. Followed by control sitting around 10-20% of the format. That is not healthy, all I'm saying is a lot of people are giving aggro love while shitting on control. When did this happen most people used to talk about how to improve the format and what it needed for diversity. Now the responses I'm seeing is fuck control it is cancer. Right now the cancer is the model and new-wizards thinking 3 mana for a bolt is fucking balanced.

>>53856267
The problem is actually that BGx are by far the best colors in the game.

Magic as a whole is fucked, even the lore.

>>53856267
I bet you consider midrange and aggro-contro as just aggro, don't you?

Hint: mtgtop 8 categories are shit.

>>53855158
>Flicking a card to avoid a bolt is not interaction. Casting fog is not interaction.
>combat step ie the moment players interact with each other the most is not interaction as it doesn't use stack

Get a load of this blue cuck, shouldn't you been busy crying after twin?

>>53856343
>combat is interaction

Hol up.
This is a green-player argument right there.

>>53856406
and red
and white
and black

>>53856459
None of those colors have good creatures.

Maybe I'm just thinking of boggles and the "I'm interacting when I swing" mentality

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>>53856490
>none of those colors have good creatures

>>53854355
But stripping your hand then killing all your permanents then beating with a gigantic 1 CMC creature is allowing fun?

Slamming chalice then playing massive undercosted creatures with built in protection is allowing fun?

But God forbid we allow some control in the game.
Fucking brainlets

how's elves doing at the moment? I wanted to build into non druid combo version

>>53856543
>describing optimal scenarios
wew

Fact of the matter is that permanents exist on board and can be hit by more removal. Nothing has counterspells except Blue and >mana tithe
Even Red can cause discard, like black.

>>53856543
>But stripping your hand then killing all your permanents then beating with a gigantic 1 CMC creature is allowing fun?
Yes. There's this thing called tempo.
>Slamming chalice then playing massive undercosted creatures with built in protection is allowing fun?
Surely, artifact removal doesn't exist in Modern... right?
>But God forbid we allow some control in the game.
Yep. Fuck 'em.

>>53856608
Lmao
>counters are literally unstoppable waaaah
Like I said, brainlets

>>53856578
Saw elves doing well at GP Coppenhagen. The new Vizier combo seems to help.

>>53856578
Remains tier 2 "perfectly viable for FNM if you need hot steamy elf dick you homo"

>>53856643
Stay mad control-fag. Go back to your dying, "superior" format.

>>53856663
All this strawman. I'm just calling you out for being an idiot. I don't even play control decks

>>53856608
Counterspells are the definition of tempo you baby

>>53856677
>saying things that are completely true
>idiot
Not my fault that you have no case.

>>53856698
>control is cancer because I don't like
Loving these hard facts dude. Now I remember why I stopped coming here

>>53856692
Positive tempo you sperg-lord. Discard costs you mana to get rid of a spell the opponent has spent nothing on. Countering a spell for less mana than the opponent costs puts you up.

>>53856717
This is why no one likes control players.
The constant Holier Than Thou attitude.

>>53856717
>Loving these hard facts dude.
I'm glad.
>Now I remember why I stopped coming here
Nobody missed you either.

>>53856718
Terminating anything above 3 CMC puts you up. You have no good arguments other than crying

>>53856735
>I don't play control
>hurrr durrr everyone hates you control players

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>>53856739
>my fun is the only correct kind of fun

>>53856813
>democracy is invalid

>>53856777
Terminate also only works on creatures that are destructible, and ETB effects still happen.

You have no good arguments other than crying.

>>53856824
Democracy is shit but this isn't pol so I'll not get into this

>>53856862
>Timmy still gets his siege rhino trigger
Proved my point

>>53856824
This isn't a democracy, fag.

>>53856885
>Democracy is shit but this isn't pol so I'll not get into this
Blue-fags are literally Nazis. I knew it.
>Proved my point
If your point was that removal is far more fun than counters, sure.

Why are there so many trannies in mtg?

>>53856910
It indirectly is. If players don't like something, they complain. If they complain enough, they'll stop playing. If they stop playing, Wotc loses money. Wotc doesn't want to lose money, so they will do what they need to do to appease the most players.

>>53856918
>if you don't like democracy you are a nazi
>t. 13 year old

>>53856934
Shitty minorities are always the most vocal

>>53856930
>why are there so many <insert alienated group here> in a game that caters to alienated groups?

>>53856930
because it's the hip and trendy thing to do for attention.
>traps will be a thing of the past
I hate it.

>>53856934
that's capitalism, dumbass.
They overlap and both developed in America, but one can still exist without the other.
>China
That's a free market to the point of being unregulated.