Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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Dark angels are homos
>mfw a dark angel says he isn't gay

Second for the Archon!

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...and now it's a d6

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>>53804661
You have to be 10-man to take a second weapon.

I'd honestly start taking a look at Scouts.
Your choice of Bolter, Sniper Rifle, Astartes Shotgun, or Combat Knife. You can also take Cameo Cloaks, a Heavy Bolter or Missile Launcher, and Combi-Weapon on the Sergeant.

Hell, rules-as-written even gives the Sergeant access to a Thunder Hammer at the moment.

If you're dead-set on Tactical Marines then do as others have suggested and have two 5-man squads share a transport, each armed with one special or heavy and a weapon on the sergeant.

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Who's ready for the Guard Rise Up on Saturday?

Who won yesterday between the Deathwatch and Tyranids?

>>53805181
Why did you cut the roster builder from the OP?

https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#!/rosterCreator

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Dark Mech when?

Fuck new Mortarion model. Will never use it.

Want Death Guard terminators!

Since AdMech aren't on the army builder yet, I've been doing this by hand.

My plan is to do two patrol Detachments that are both around 1k points.

How's this looking?


++PATROL DETACHMENT++
HQ: Tech Priest Dominus (135 pts)
Troops: Skitarii Rangers, 10 man squad, 3x Arquebues, 1x Omnispex (182 pts)
Skitarii Vanguard, 10 man squad, 3x Plasma Caliver (142pts)
Skitarii Vanguard, 10 man squad, 3x Plasma Caliver (142pts)
Heavy Support: Kastelan Robots, 2 man squad, 3x Heavy Phosphor Blasters on each Robot (210 pts)
Onager Dunecraeler, 1 Dunecrawler, Icarus Array (130 pts)
Elites: Cybernetica Datasmith (52 pts)
AdMech Total: 993pts

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What's the most autistic fluff you've ever seen anyone write, aside from official GW, BL and FW stuff?

I want genestealers to step on my face with their strong flexible clawed feet

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>>53805206
So, what in particular makes them gayer than the rest of the Space Marines?

>>53805250
Deathwatch, though general consensus is that the nids player was trash.

>>53805251
No Guard? Fuck them.

>>53805233
Not pictured:
>The number of times anything remotely close to this has actually happened: 0

>>53805264
Guy started talking to me about his twice blessed Daemon Princess of Khorne and Slaanesh

>>53805264
Loyalist Luna Wolves in 40k with Horus's loyal clone. All who work for the Inquisition.

>>53805206
I'll put my dick up your ass if that's what you want. Spread that boy pucci faggot.

>>53805233
But anon, nobody every placed his models that way.

Unless if the game of warhammer was part of the hot date, and the person was doing it in preperation of spreaing his asscheeks in a literal sense rather than a figurative one.

>>53805272
You are fucking kidding me, we actually won? How? Are Deathwatch anywhere near good in this edition?

>>53805233
>implying anyone ever once in the history of 7th edition got a shot off that good
Even torrent weapons that could manipulate the direction of the template would only hit like 4 guys with proper spacing. I remember my GSC laughing off hellhounds.

>>53805233
That is retarded.
But templates on a bad day hitted only one thing. Most of the time they hit 3+ things.

D6 is rather disapoitning. Maybe if it was D6+X

>>53805264
Carnac's headcanon.

>>53805310
they seem pretty solid alot of elite armies infantry got a bit cheaper also 1 termie in a squad makes them really durable

>>53805271
Their faggotry

>>53805323
Top kek

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someone please give me a link to the Dark Imperium novel!

>>53805330
Fuck, new perspectives. Where can I find the Deathwatch list used? I want to get a few ideas from it.

>>53805353
Subscribers only. GW only advertises to those that pay for it anon :*)

>>53805344
>That pic

So that's how it happens ...

>>53805344
Google for a torrent, you lazy bitch. Up for days.

>>53805310
He just told you how, the nid player was terrible.

Bad players don't win in this edition regardless of their army.

>>53805360
Fuck.

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>>53805251
Because it's broken and incomplete.
Also, because I just copied it from the previous general, where that OP cleaned the chaff out of the OPasta.

>>53805360
It hasn't been put up yet, lots of subs complaining about that during the stream today.

You know how all the indexes for the armies got leaked, what about forgeworld indexes? Did anyone manage to leak those?

>>53805306
Tank Shock. Deep Strike. Emerging from a wrecked/exploded transport. Whiffing a consolidate roll (or simply not getting to consolidate, ex. Mindveil).

It was more possible than one thinks.

More unusual is if that if that was a blob of solo acolytes, it would be "one model, hit d6 times"

>>53805240
I heard that Conscripts and heavy weapon squads are getting a point increase day 1.

>>53805262
Why do 2 Patrols instead of 1 Battalion?
You clearly have enough troops and HQs to do it.

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>>53805376
Of course it was a bad play. My Deathwatch never seem to catch a break.

>>53805271
Their desperate desire to put their pee pees inside other men.

see
>>53805304
See how the dark angel craves to it's man meat inside the behind of men, what a homo.

>>53805387
No, because FW doesn't get sent out to shops.

>>53805387
None that I know of. Warhammer Community had an article about a trio of units from the FW books but there has been nothing beyond that.

>>53805391
There's no basis for this rumor as far as I can tell.

How does a 500pts AdeptusMechanicus/Skitarii list deal with many models, considering it only has the units from the standard box (dunecrawler, rangers, tech priest dominus)? What are decent weapon choices in the 500 pts range?

>>53805391
We've heard "nerf", we don't know what form that's taking.

>>53805353
for some reason the game is not even on their twitch im subed and it's just not there

>>53805391
Heard?
From a GW worker or another anon here?

>>53805400
I thought Battalions have to be all of the same army or you lose bonuses or something.

>>53805441
Eventually that may be the case, but there are no bonuses to lose right now.

>>53805429
Thanks for checking man

>>53805253
Man I keep asking myself this. Basically all it needs is tech cultists and it is playable, using all of the different cult bots.

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>>53805264

>>53805264
Some dude at my lgs tried to explain his shitty Chaos marine / Tyranid kitbash models. he used gaunts/genestealers as possessed (this was years ago before cultists existed as they do now)

Basically the nids were just sprayed metal with red claws, every Chaos marine had scything talons/death spitters badly converted onto their arms and of course everything was painted horribly

The worse part was his Biker-Lord, who he insisted was a woman beneath the armour and like, gave birth to swarms of Nid-chaos fuckers or something like some kind of Alien homage maybe, i honestly don't think they guy knew how reproduction works

What do the tier lists for 8th look like?

Is it just me, or does the power from pain chart suck ass?

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Don't forget: this is legal due to Hover Jet.

Fly your Valkyrie into your opponent's Fortress of Redemption, and try to melt steel beams with it. Or just smack it with your passenger doors. Just don't miss. :)

>>53805459
It opens endless possibilities for utilizing daemon engins, xenotech, "creative" conversions and bioheresy too...

>>53805391
Does your dad work at GW?

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Are wraithblades solid now?

>t5, w3 with a 3+ 4++
>hits at s7, 3 attacks on the charge
>stick in gunboat wave serpent to circumvent 5" movement

Obviously not as good as wraithguard who are still broken as hell, but damn, they might be worth taking in regular games now. They're a pain to remove.

@53805502
Okay anon, you've posted it enough. I think it's time to retire this (you) farm and look for some OC.

>>53805458
from what i can remember because i watched it live they had a 10 man in a flyer with 2 frag cannons a termie some power weapons and bolters, a bick squad, a dread and a foot slogging squad, and a captain who refused to die

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What's your favorite Forge world, either fluff or colors?

>>53805408
Shut up faggot, I know you want your asshole to be spread by my cock. Clean it or you'll be licking off your own shit off my cock when I'm done with you.

>>53805484
Top Tier: The army you like the most
Mid Tier: No one knows because not enough data has been collected to determine a Tier list
Salt Mines Tier: Tau

>>53805502
I can't stop laughing

>>53805426
Radium carbines & plasma calivers on the vanguard for infantry, neutron laser on the dunecrawler for tanks.

>>53805441
It wasn't implied before that you intended to mix armies with your Patrols.
I guess it makes sense now, in context, but I genuinely thought you wanted two separate AdMech Patrols that were in the same overall list.

You're right to keep them separate though, because Canticles has a special requirement which states that, "units only receive the bonus if every model in their Detachment has this ability."
Meaning if you combine AdMech with anything else in the same Detachment, you lose Canticles.

So yeah, keep em separate, unless you're planning to run two AdMech Patrols, then combine them for more Command Points.

>>53805516
Wraithguard are still broken?

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>>53805506
Tell me more....

>>53805433
>>53805424
>>53805428
I think he was an ex-GW employee, but either way he said he had ties with some people in the know. He didn't specify what it was that was happening, but that they would be changed somehow.

Pretty sure it's a points increase. Maybe 4 points per Conscript, I doubt it would be as high as 5. Infantry squads I could see being bumped up to 50 instead of 40. Heavy Weapon Squads are way too fucking cheap.

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>>53805450
I see.
>>53805544
>It wasn't implied before that you intended to mix armies with your Patrols.
Ah, sorry, that's my bad.

Yeah, this image is the planned other half of the army.

I used Ultramarines since there's no blanket Space Marines option.

Is there a reason for Assault Termis to exist anymore? I know Termis in general aren't that great anyway, but it looks like powerfist termis just do assault termis job just as well

>>53805484
See >>53803355

>>53805497
It's just you, faggot. PfP is amazing.

>>53805521
Lucius

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>>53805557
Well, haven't exactly tried them out yet, but on paper yes

They basically get one steroid lascannon each

Any link to a full leaked 8th rulebook? with the fluff and those things? cannot see any in the repository.

>>53805353
dreadnaught, captain, killteam squad with terminator and bike, and a backline squad with heavy weapons of some sort, and some more bikes.

the tyranid player ran his MCs at the backline lascannons in the open, instead of tactically munching the killteam with his haruspex when he should have, and the killteam just shat all over the tyrandis backline after it broke through the gaunt wall.

>>53805575

Storm shields you stupid fucking faggot

Thunder hammers are also far better than fists in 8E did you think they'd just leave them as concussive fists when initiative doesn't even exist

>>53805583
Holy fuck that's scary.

>>53805540
>Radium carbines & plasma calivers on the vanguard for infantry,
Aye thanks mate. Thought about the Icarus Array, is it worth to get or should I stick with the Neutron Laser at low points and maybe upgrade later when approaching 1k pts?

>>53805206
Reminder, if you use this pic for any reason you are an enormous fag

>>53805583
WTF why do fists do D3 but the blades do 1 its not like a power fist its just a damn hand

>>53805574
Gotcha, that makes sense.

>>53805233
Its fine, most of the time you got something like 5-6 per flamer, sometimes less.

>>53805623
t. ork player

>>53805626
No clue, I'd never ever take the blades anyway. I mean maybe for wrecking t3 hordes? Maybe? 4 attacks wounding on 2+ with -2 AP is pretty nice against those.

But the axes just seem way better in almost all scenarios with the 4++ making them a complete bitch to remove and grants ability to put some serious pain to basically anything.

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What are the greatest benefits of turning to Nurgle worship?

>>53805637
t. Unfunny enormous fag who can't deal with life now that his gay ass meme has been taken away.

>>53805576
The best thing about it is 6+ fnp. Everything else is for melee units in an army that wants to avoid melee as much as possible. I think it's worth giving up for soulbursts.

>>53805654

Immortality and freedom from pain.

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This is the Manticore, best artillery piece in the Imperial arsenal! Say something nice about it

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Dark Imperium I've painted for my LGS

>>53805670
I like its chassis

>>53805583
>>53805516
>Huge lumbering literally dead bone robots
>movement 5
>same with Necrons

They might as well just move 6 if they aren't gonna try and reflect the sluggishness of things. all Infantry should just flat move 6 so it's easier to remember.

Movement only "matters", reflects the fluff, and gets interesting on Bikers, Cav, Fliers, Jump troops, monsters, beasts etc.

>>53805583

D-scythe looks very balanced actually: Pitiful number of hits for a flamer and one wound each, but it's nigh guaranteed to score that wound no matter the target outside of an invulnerable getting in the way.

5 guard hit 10 times, fail maybe 2 wounds, roll invul or a 6+ if you have 2+ armour.

So that does -exactly- what a suck chunks of matter into the warp gun should (hurt nearly anything) without actually being overpowered.

Wraithcannon is a little more dickish, but ultimately not worse than a Melta. Easier to wound, doesn't roll two sets of damage and pick the highest.

>>53805206
Back to your basement, cunt.

>>53805516

I ran 30 Boyz with a Painboy, Nob with PK and WAAAGH banner Nob into 5 Wraithblades in my first game of 8th.

Something like 5 turns of combat later, the Wraithblades walked out. I think they lost 3 out of the 5. They're absolute blenders in CC.

>>53805563
4 pts per Conscript would make them just worse Infantry Squads.

>>53805693
lmao

>>53805673
>>53805692
>you came to wrong neighborhood, marinelet

>>53805706
They could blob up unlike infantry squads. I think 4pts would be fine as long as infantry squads were 50 points.

>>53805663
>in an army that wants to avoid melee as much as possible
If you're playing some kinda faggot list for gunfaggots, sure. DE are meant to get stuck in.

What is the deal with gunline pussies picking up melee races and then crying their benefits are only good for melee?

>>53805516
personally, I'd use the swords. Especially if your putting them in wave serpents. 3w is enough to get by most attacks, and if your running wraiths, you need the extra volume of kills. You have guard for the multi-wound models.


irrespective of cost, the swords are better against every single toughness/save combo (or tied) except for t7 1+ saves for single wound models,
axes are better against every single toughness/save combo for multi-wound models., and come with an invul save.

>>53805698
the first thing i though of the scythe is this fucks necron vehicles

>>53805721
So just nerf all the guards points cause they have even one good thing? Sounds like GW to me.

>>53805722
>best open topped transports in the game, with access to some of the best guns in the game
>melee units lose strong breeze in a fair fight
>no initiative
>melee race

>>53805321
>D6 is rather disapoitning. Maybe if it was D6+X

Or 2D3, which has better chances at rolling multiple hits

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aaand da last one, thank ye for attention!

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Any tips for Eldar list making? I'm not very good at lists.

>>53805779
Looks alright, dude.

>>53805753
Nerfing the Guard points a little would be fine, we'd still be strong as fuck. It would end up like 1-2 less heavy weapon squads and maybe 20-30 less Conscripts. Our army is great this edition, even the expensive stuff is good.

>>53805622
Stick with the neutron laser at any points, basically. It's the shit.

>>53805772
I like the colors you used, very retro.

>>53805753
Guard are easily poised to be the top army right now. They can deal with the nerf.

>>53805779
You should take a warlock, or those guardian squads will melt to a stiff breeze

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>>53805622
Icarus Array is very good against Dark Eldar and a couple other armies like Tau, but the Neutron is as far as I know the single most potent anti-tank weapon in the entire game on that scale. Personally I think the ratio is something like 1 Icarus and two or three Neutrons in every three or four Onagers, and I'm probably running four total eventually.

Also, always buy the extra stubber. Cheap cheerful extra dakka you can split fire.

>>53805521

Preheresy Xana II for fluff, basically the Mos Eisely of Forge Worlds. Also cool Heretek Archmagos who beats up Primarchs happily on the tabletop.

Their colour schemes are a little boring save the Malinax one, so I made my own.

>>53805506

So true. Making a Heresy Dark Biologis army, so many conversion ideas it's insane. This guy is my first Cyber-Occularis, which is basically a mega-servoskull. Apparently his little claws look cute, although I can't really see it.

>>53805673
>brother alpharius on the left prepares to take his shot

>>53805790
Alright.

>>53805803
>the single most potent anti-tank weapon in the entire game on that scale
Now that's something I can work with.
>Ratio
Noted. So basically it's almost always NL > Icarus.

>always buy the extra stubber. Cheap cheerful extra dakka you can split fire.
Noted and will do, thanks.

>>53805799
What would you remove from my list to add in the warlock? Thank you for feedback as well
>>53805786
Thank you too

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>>53805644
swords are actually better against everything, because of the +1 attack and not -1 to hit.

Axes are universally better at multi-wound enemies, swords are (nearly) universally better at single wound enemies.

When you compare point for point tho, swords do more damage and score more unsaved wounds on everything. You pay a lot for that 4++ to reduce the damage efficiency.

>>53805613
Storm shields don't do much when the main thing threatening you are mortal wounds. And 3 damage isn't that much better than d3 against most targets

>>53805760
>>53805722
>>53805663
There are shooty options for Deldar, and melee options.
The melee options actually got a fair bit better.
Wych cults, which is where a lot of the melee lies, get to choose drugs which is huge. Transports are actually quite good at absorbing overwatch.
And agonizers are super cheap now.

On the other horrifically deformed hand Covens get silly tough as crap. I think wracks should always take their sweep guns, but they follow that up with getting stuck in.
Since that will be turn 2-3, those PfP buffs will be nice.
2+ to hit, wound on 4+, 2 attacks. with T5, 5++, and 6+ FNP.

Are Wraithknights more balanced now that they are 500+ points?

>>53805835
this sounds right to me.
They're T5 W3 means they are going to be targeted by heavier weapons, many of which will reduce the 3+ to 5+ or worse. The 4++ means that there aren't many good weapons to shoot at them, as the heavy weapons now don't get to use their AP and so waste some points.

>>53805830
Give the wraithblades swords instead and you can put a warlock in plus have 49p to spare

>>53805855
Yeah, wyches with combat drugs can be nice. I just don't think power from pain is good enough to be worth giving up the potential soul bursts.

Advice on my modified 2000pt Space Marine 8th Ed list?


++ Battalion (Space Marines) [2000 Pts] ++

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad [153 Pts]: 5x Additional Marines, Bolt Pistol, Flamer, Heavy Bolter, Power Sword

Tactical Squad [173 Pts]: 5x Additional Marines, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Plasma Pistol, Power Maul

Tactical Squad [173 Pts]: 5x Additional Marines, Combi-Flamer, Lascannon, Plasma Gun

+ Elites +

Chapter Champion [86 Pts]: Boltgun, Relic Blade

Honour Guard [84 Pts]: 2x Relic Blade

Venerable Dreadnought [153 Pts]: Assault Cannon, Dreadnought CCW, Stormbolter

+ HQ +

Captain [106 Pts]: Combi-Flamer, Relic Blade

Chaplain [79 Pts]: Plasma Pistol

Techmarine [90 Pts]: Conversion Beamer, Plasma Pistol, Power Axe

+ Fast Attack +

Assault Squad [191 Pts]: Add Jump Packs, 5x Additional Marines (Jump), Eviscerator, Melta-bombs, Power Sword

Assault Squad [169 Pts]: Add Jump Packs, 5x Additional Marines (Jump), Melta-bombs, Power Sword

+ Flyer +

Stormtalon Gunship [195 Pts]: Twin Assault Cannon, Typhoon Missile Launcher

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback [108 Pts]: Hunter-Killer Missile, Stormbolter, Twin Assault Cannon

Rhino [80 Pts]: Hunter-Killer Missile, Stormbolter, Stormbolter

Rhino [80 Pts]: Hunter-Killer Missile, Stormbolter, Stormbolter

Rhino [80 Pts]: Hunter-Killer Missile, Stormbolter, Stormbolter

++ Total: [2000 Pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

>>53805886

They're more reasonable now - I've found mine is still very effective but he is far more kill-able and I have to make sacrifices to take him.

>>53805847
mortal wounds aren't especially common and 3 damage vs D3 is an ENORMOUS difference when dealing with any multi-wound target

>>53805772
>>53805712
>>53805692
>>53805673

It's just for a demo set ? Damn, they look good.

Also, how did you get these smooth colors ?

>>53805890
Question is if that survivability is worth 17 additional points per model. Shields are almost 50% more expensive than swords.

>>53805899
Is a warlock really that badly needed? I have two Psykers already, being the Farseer Skyrunner and Eldrad Ulthran

>>53805910
You're still spending so many extra points and giving up 20 stormbolter shots. I don't know, they just seem extremely niche

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>>53805521
Agripinaa, because they and Cadians are best bro ever

>>53805476
The fuck? I use a couple Nid bits in my conversions, mostly chitin plates and Crushing Claws, but that seems a bit wierd.

Where I am there's literally one guy with any fluff other than standard armies, he's got a cool Imp Guard Penal Legion with conscripts, I'll have to lend him my greenstuff cable maker so he can model on some manacles. I can't wait to play it, actually, and the guy's like fifteen and most chill. Actually kinda impressive.

>>53805692
the blue looks so plain, yet so delicious. what did you do?

>>53805930

The problem is 10 man Guardian squads are super squishy. The warlock can provide you with a bubble -1 to hit when being shot at which will help them out.

>>53805930
Yes, but neither of those can take runes of battle. The warlock gives you a nice -1 to be hit bubble that vastly increases the survivability of your guardian blob.

I probably wouldn't take both the farseer and eldrad with how you can only manifest one specific psychic power per turn once.

>>53805516
Wraith guard aren't that good bro.

Fire dragons are better now that S10 matters less and both do D6 damage.

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Vets with power swords vs double the assault marines or crusaders, who wins ?

>>53805929
I think it will depend.
If you're expecting to see more tanks, or units and weapons, the 17pts starts paying off quick.
If you aren't it's not.

I like that in my game balancing.

>>53805963
Oh, yeah that's true. Instead of those guys, what would you recommend?

>>53805968

Wraithguard are better in combat, more durable and can retreat and still shoot. They are far better than Fire Dragons.

>>53805972
Orks.

>>53805693
Wraiths were never slow. The worst "movement" stat they ever had was initiative 4. That means those fuckers have always been as fast as marines.

Simple things one can do to make a HH model look more Chaos-y? Thinking of picking up the Betrayal at Calth Dark Apostle to run with my cultist swarm. Would like suggestions other than "add spikes"

>>53805990
Could ditch the skyrunner, take a warlock and take something fun like a fire prism to fill the remaining points

>>53805968
wraith guard got a lot tougher now, with W3.
I think both are going to be decent choices.

What you think is best?

14 Points:

24" Range Assault 2, S6, AP -2, D3 damage.

13 Points:

24" Range Rapid Fire 1, S7, AP -3, 1 damage (Mode 1)

24" Range Rapid Fire 1, S8, AP -3, 2 damage (Mode 2, if you roll a 1 you die after shots)

Which you pick on a marine?

>>53805993
Fire Dragons are cheaper, can advance and shoot at full BS, and reroll wounds against their preferred targets, and have melta.

Pros and cons.

Which army would be the most LGBT-friendly?

>>53806042
Tau

>>53806049
>literally the only LGBT friendly army

>>53806042
Tyranids.

Gay or straight, you're getting eaten.

>>53805993
Not for dropping entire heavy vehicles from the back Pena wave serpent.

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>>53806018
This looking better?

>>53806025
The first look better

>>53806036
too bad melta bombs are shit now.

>>53806042
Objectively speaking it would be the gay commie T'au

>>53805937
>they just seem extremely niche
how useful they are depends entirely on the amount of vehicles/monsters you're facing

in an infantry-heavy meta, the storm bolters will obviously be more useful

>>53806036

Both should be in a Wave Serpent at all times so advance and shoot is irrelevant.

>>53806068

What does that even mean?

>>53806025
I would say take the grenade launcher thing over the Plasma Gun, anon. You can just name the weapons most times.

Although it does depend on whether you'll be footslogging or in a transport, since hopping up close with overcharged plasma is pretty badass but the GLs are better at long range.

>>53806042
Dark Eldar

>>53806042
The Guard. Can you hold a gun? Can you take a bullet? Doesn't matter if you're gay or trans.

>>53806070
No need for 2 warlocks really, I'd keep axes on the blades instead and take some extras off of the prism if you need more points to do it, since you're starving for AT a bit.

But this should be fine too.

>>53806042
Slaanesh: They are all about sex that doesn't have procreational value.

>>53806042
inbf that faggot ork flyer

>>53806042
Well ork, nids and necrons are mono-gendered or non-gendered.

Eldar are either hedonists who would fuck anything, or hedonists in denial.
The Imperium is big enough that options on all things except for "Hate the Xenos","Glory to the Emperor",a "burn the witch" vary hugely.

Chaos has a god of the deranged hedonists the eldar fucked into being and only became more fucked up.
Then Tau.

So all of the factions are fine.

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>>53806042
Tau for sure

>>53806108
>mfw the commissar shoots you as soon as you try to pull any special snowflake shit

>>53806105
Dark Eldar are set up nicely for some rapey feminization porn. You get captured, they inject you with hormones and give you big tits through surgery, turn you into a slutty slave and rape you in their dungeon of pleasure.

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>>53806108
>Doesn't matter if
the guard is the absolute worst place for nonconformists

>>53805772
vary nice

>>53805712
Is it just me, or do they lack some shading and edge higfhlights? They're definitely good enough for tabletop, but I just came here from the wip thread, and it was the first thing that came ot my mind

>>53806100
>Both should be in a Wave Serpent at all times so advance and shoot is irrelevant.
you get out of the waveserpent before the wave serpent moves. So unless your opponent politely waited for you by the waveserpent you'll need to approach after getting off.

>>53806028
Well, I guess the deafening silence is a slight comment on what /tg/ considers good fluff.

There's a chap in the HH thread that has a Custodes army that fly around the place being fancy public executioners to show the Emperor's hand at work, and occasionally kicking down a stubborn door to get to their clients. The squads are all named after methods of execution, IIRC, which sounded pretty nice.

>>53806128
lesbi-crons.txt

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Thoughts on the attached?

>>53806154
>>53806138
Being gay or trans doesn't have much to do with it as long as you listen and die when they tell you to. In fact, conscription that includes gays and trannies is a great way to get rid of them if the higher level doesn't care for them. Why send all your good men to die and only leave degenerates? No that's bad, bring them along, send them in as white shields.

>>53806100
Typo.
What I mean is wraith guard and fire dragons have similar roles of dropping high value targets with multiple wounds and high toughness.

Fire dragons can cram more shots in on a given target for the same points which means clearing your target goals in one try more often.

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>>53806113
This decent then? And what's the thing about the -1 to hit rolls for units in x" from the warlock? It didn't say anything about that in the rules when I read them

>>53806154
>>53806138
the guard want you to conform completely on all thing relevant to killing the enemies of the emperor.
They stop giving to shits after that.

Most regiments are single gendered, and spend the vast majority of their time alone on spaceships. People be fucking.

>>53806184
Fuck, look's like an actual list I would happily play. You know I'm so happy GW didn't nerf Eldar into oblivion. They're in a really good spot right now, and it's awesome.

>>53806195
Looks good

Power 1 from runes of battle

>>53806208

Yeah I'm pretty happy with it - I think it is a competitive list but it shouldn't engender the kind of anger I used to get for playing them.

>>53806203
sounds like your fantasy

>>>/out/

>>53806217
Oooooooooooooh

Now I see it. Thanks

>>53806143

And wyches look like screaming feminists when you give them all different colour hair.

>>53806243
Pretty hot. Rapey combat feminists who hate men and turn the captured men into women and violate them with large phallic objects. Time to masturbate.

>>53806143
DEldar get off more on torture than on rape. They're about guro/snuff more than the soft /d/ shit.

Best way to pull off a Necrons list for 8th? Having trouble on what I should buy.

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>tfw most played mate took up eldar as his first army in 7th and couldn't stop himself going full cheese so he bought IG for fair games
>then along came 8th...

>>53805233
An unrealistic scenario, but there's a point. I can't remember a single time where I would have gotten 3 or less hits with a template. A single d6 is a poor substitute for the template and large blast. They should have been at the very least 2d3

>>53806299
Warrior blobs and tesla imortals

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>>53806143

>>53806322
I want my opponent to have fun too man

>>53806326
Please can we not start this shit. This is just like that weirdo was getting off to some trap who polluted these threads.

>>53806334
Warrior blobs, Spiders with scarabs and a unit of wraiths and an Overlord with 5-10 sword'n'board lychguard.
They're Necrons, never change.

>>53806316
The power level gap isnt as big as it used to be, the top armies are not unbeatable the way top armies in 7th were.

IG/Orks/Tyranid all have a glaring weakness in that they all rely on their characters to function, remove them and they're not so hot shit anymore.

So, if someone were to decide "fuck it, I can't wait for proper plastics, I need a pile of those Noise Marine conversion kits", and *not * want to pour a pile of money into buying them from GW, what'd be the best option? I've never gotten stuff from recasters, so I'm a bit leery as to how to go about it and not get dicked over

>>53806355
Hey some anon told me to stop shit posting as much about fetishy stuff so I stioped. I only have done contributing posts and talking about theoryhammer. I've been a good girl.

>>53806366
What's this gonna cost my wallet? I have like £250 saved up from when I didn't feel like a nice cold beer on a saturday

>watch miniwargaming review of dark eldar
>first five minutes is some lardass not understanding how feel no pain works

How do these guys make money if they're so fucking stupid?

>>53806391
What you need a slap around the fuckin bake. Stop playing dress up

>>53806395
Just buy 3 start collecting boxes plus whatever you think looks cool and you should be ok.

>>53806391
So I stopped* Phone posting was a mistake.

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Red pill me on the Noxious Blightbringer

>regular plague marine dude that does 2 damage in melee, has 4 wounds and 3 attacks
>has plasma pistol too
>debuffs enemy units within 7" to be -1 LD
>buffs nearby units within 7" to roll two for advance and pick the highest
>80 points

Seems good to have this guy with your footslogging poxwalkers since they only move 4" and advancing is important for them. Can be good in a rhino.

Too expensive though?

>>53806318
template I'll give you, a bit.
Large blast less so, as scatter was a thing.

But more importantly that loss in power against big units is replaced by additional power against smaller units or single targets.

You are probably forgetting about the times you shot a template or blast against a 1-2 model unit.

>>53806042
Come on, is noone gonna say it? Do I really have to be the one to do it?

Dark Angels

>>53806415
For many years I too have been wondering this question.

>>53805506
This would be so dope. A daemon engine-based army. HRRRNGGG.

>>53805583
same power level as 5 foot nobs

rofl

>>53805972
honour guard

2W & 2+ saves is relevant, and they can also take bullets for your characters

>>53806422
I thought we agreed no fetishy stuff.

>>53806334
I reckon if you don't go overboard with crypteks and ghost arks everywhere they're probably okay. The fact you may want to build a doomsday ark to get some anti-tank helps with this.

>>53806415
I tried watching one of their vids once, and had to turn it off before 15 min went by. There were so many rules they did wrong I was afraid I could no longer control my actions if watching another second of it.

No clue why people like MWG.

>>53806042
>LGBT
Why do they even include trans to that? It has nothing to do with the first 3

>>53806415

Tried to watch the batrep but cringed out hard, it hurts because I play deldar and I'm desperate to watch games

>>53806395
250 Pounds can easily buy you all units you need. I guess about 200 Pounds should be enough, but you might want to load up on that metallic paint, unless you do your own colour scheme.

>>53805654
This meme confuses me

>>53806386
Problem is IG characters are incredibly cheap and numerous and Tyranid characters are tough as fuck.

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Why does the Imperium tolerate the Cult Mechanicus and it's offshoots when their beliefs directly contradict teachings of the Emperor? The Emperor praised humankind and it's form+potential as basically the greatest thing ever created but then the admech goes along and syas, "nop, flesh is weak bruh". The whole essense of the Imperial Cult is praise of the human form

>>53806497
So, what should I get then? 4 boxes of warriors?

>Listbuilder has Assassinorum
>Not Adeptus Mechanicus.

FOKIN WHY

>>53805233
Reminds of me when I summoned bloodletters and forgot about the enemy hellhound, the unit got split right down the middle

>>53806518
Why do police tolerate drinkers who place their alcohol in a bag?

>>53806495

Watch TTT's latest report against Tau.

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>>53806431
Cheaper than a Dark Apostle so I say hes good.

>>53806467
5 foot nobs can all have power claws and kombi-scorchas

>>53806486
I love the fact that they use the "if you uploaded a game against your friends, you'd get tons of rules wrong too!" excuse

I mean yeah, sure, we probably would

But we also play a few times a month, while MWG plays as a day job

>>53806386

yeah, and its pretty easy to do that against IG so long has you're a faction that can spam snipers like the necrons and the eldar, against the other two its not so easy.

>>53806518
Because you don't fuck with the guy that makes and maintains your heating, your guns, your car, your orbital defence laser array, your planetary annihilation devices ....

>>53806540
Because it doesn't really harm anyone.
And I see your point, the Admech still works for the Imperium and benefits it the same, BUT were not dealing with policemen here, were dealing with some of the most overzealous people in the galaxy who would blow up a planet worth trillions cus one guy there said he didn't appreciate the emps that much.

>>53806518
It was a compromise, the Mechanicus of Mars could have completely fucked up the early Imperium with their technology, Emps would rather have became their Jesus than go to war with them.

>>53806518
Because the Emperor signed an agreement with the AdMech that left them a ton of autonomy and power in exchange for peace and alliance. If he hadn't they may well have kicked his ass in a Mars vs Terra war, and he needed their technological proficiency to build his fleets of ships and move on with the Great Crusade.

Now that the Emperor is basically not even around anymore, and all the Imperium's military forces rely on the AdMech for basically every vehicle, weapon, and piece of equipment, they're lucky they get any say in anything at all. The AdMech practically run the Imperium when it comes right down to it.

>>53806543
Tau player went with shitty unfocussed list.

>tons of breachers
>just turtles and doesn't support them
>random stormsurge

>>53806431
soo since the bell is part of the model, can you kill this guy when the bell sticks out above a wall?

lol

>>53806543

God Bless You

>>53806543
That was satisfying, but I believe the tau player is a moron.

>>53806431
Well you've stated the pros and cons yourself. He seems quite allright for his cost. Nothing amazing, but also not very expensive.

>>53806518
Cult mech is the dumbest addition to the game they shouldn't be a thing.

>>53806608
epic

just

epic

xD

>>53806520
Depending on what you want to build - two or three start collecting boxes, so you have all the warriors, scarabs, spiders, overlords and stalkers you'll ever need. From there on I'd say one or two lychguard to protect your overlord and some wraiths or tomb blades.
Granted, I have no idea how Necrons will play in 8th, but in 7th the Reclamation Legion and Canoptek Harvest formations were really great. And I don't think Necrons changed a lot, so...

>>53806442
>Large blast less so, as scatter was a thing.
Doesn't the BS test represent that?
>replaced by additional power against smaller units or single targets.
Which is a job for other special weapons. Flamer was for removing blobs and now it struggles to fulfill that role.
>You are probably forgetting about the times you shot a template or blast against a 1-2 model unit.
Sure, but that means I hit the whole unit. When I said I can't remember, I was talking about units that were composed of more than 6-10 models

>>53806602
>>53806612

Yeah he also played a better (IMO) list against bugs on the premium channel. Ultimately I think he'll eventually (with Lawrence's help) come around to a better list that plays well.

>>53806585
>, were dealing with some of the most overzealous people in the galaxy who would blow up a planet worth trillions cus one guy there said he didn't appreciate the emps that much
Stop memeing, no one in 40k is that retarded, not even the most overzealous inquisitor. There's nothing in the standard Imperial Creed that says technology is bad.

>>53806614
I'm not an experienced player, wanted other people's insight.

The leadership manipulation seems very minor. His wargear seems pretty meh. The only thing he's good for IMO is that he can buff poxwalkers to be faster.

Also he's a summoner if you got daemon allies (though a herald of Nurgle is cheaper than him by 10 points so meh)

>>53806469
In this instance it's vets, not honor guard. 2 attacks, one wound and 3+ but cheaper.

>>53806636
Cheers fella. I'll ask the necron player in my store to see if he has any other insights. He told me Infantry based necrons were stupidly hard to kill in this edition

>>53806650
Okay that was a tad exageration but I think you get my point. And I'm pretty sure theres tons of stuff in the Imperial Creed that says tech is bad. Like AI and such.

>>53806494
they're all mentally ill degenerates

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>>53806518

when the big E himself makes the consious decision at the height of his power that it is far more trouble than it is worth to attempt to tangle with the mechanicus and instead to deal with their eccentric attitude its usually a good idea to let things continue as they currently are.

the ecclesiarchy and the mechanicus have hated each-other ever since goge vandire killed their manufactor general but its the polite and courteous hatred of people who have far bigger problems than an old grudge so nothing comes of it apart from the occasional drunken sorority party breaking out on terra and distrupting some Enginseers maintenance cycle

What are some good loadouts for Imperial Knights right now?

A dude is selling a bunch of built and painted ones and I'm considering it

>>53806540
This analogy doesn't work because the AdMech are the ones with the power.

The original guy asking the question should have said "why does the AdMech tolerate the rest of the Imperium not following the Cult Mechanicus".

>>53806683
The Cult Mech are the ones who say AI is bad, actually. That doesn't mean all tech is bad.

>>53806608
There was a pretty based comic back in the day called turn signals on a land raider. One of their early strips features a marine sergeant dying a tragic heroic death due to bullet holes in his back banner.

>>53806693
Found the self hating tranny fucker. You're almost as bad as the guys who hate black people then jerk off to blacked.

>>53806704
>this is what robo-brains actually believe

>>53806725
Anon pls, stop projecting your issues onto me. Straight and proud.

>>53806656
>Also he's a summoner if you got daemon allies (though a herald of Nurgle is cheaper than him by 10 points so meh)

A summoner? what does this mean

>>53806704
Honestly, because the Imperium has enough power in the Sol System to destroy Mars before everything breaks down. And Mars has enough power everywhere that it could destroy the Imperium

MAD

>>53806703
The crusader setup is pretty good, the feet seem to kill enough shit in melee the knight class melee weapons are only needed for enemies in the same weight class.

>>53806723
He got "freemed" right in the banner actually

>>53806725
The most religious states of the US consume the highest amount of gay porn online, just sayin'

>>53806740
Nothing specifically.

To summon Daemons you need two things:

Chaos faction and Character.

He's both so he can forgo his movement phase to summon some plaguebearers or something.

>>53806740
Any Chaos Character can attempt to summon a daemon unit instead of moving now. Page 30 in the leaked pdf

>>53806678
Sounds about right. I guess if you add a Cryptek and give him and the Overlord a Resurrection Orb, it will become even more terrifying to meet a footslogging Necron army. Although, as I said I don't know if this will hold up in 8th edition, but from the sound of it, it probably will

>>53806738
I'm sure you are. 10 minutes with a cute trans girl and you'd be begging to suckle that buckle, you big homo.

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reposting fluffy WE army

>>53806334

How about, just hear me out here, you buy what YOU want instead of what the Internet tells you to buy?

>>53806547
Yeah I just realized I myself wouldn't let that shit fly, if I were uploading battles professionally and for profit, I'd make damn sure it was flawless and heavily edited.

I let others slide because I have learned not to have high expectations of others, but I will always hold myself to the highest standards.

>>53806642
There are downsides.
On the other hand no more spending 10 minutes on every missile launchers team.
No more slowing down every movement to maintain max coherency.
I'll take the trade off.

>>53806736
Are you just fucking stupid or what?

They own all the means of production, all the technological knowledge, all the most powerful weapons and ships, the Space Marines, the Imperial Guard and the Navy literally cannot function without them, the Inquisition has no sway over them, they have all the Titans, they have forces stationed on almost every single planet in the entire Imperium, literally how the fuck would they possibly ever be in jeopardy of losing their effective monopoly on power?

>>53806758
Sounds about right. Praying the gay away never helps.

>>53806725
I don't hate anyone. I want people to stop suffering. Being a tranny is suffering. As far as I can tell, surgery or transition hormones don't reduce suffering in trannies.

We need to research a chemical cure for trannyism, that makes them feel like the sex they are. But the LGBT community seems to be focusing its lobbying efforts on bathrooms, and not research initiatives.

>>53806789
Well I'm not the one writing gay fanfiction here so you tell me

Also traps are arguably gayer than actual sex with men

>>53806795
Because my free will dictates that I would like advice on what to buy so I don't make a stupid decision.

>>53806520
Two start collecting, two of the ghost ark+warrior boxes off of ebay.

Nets you two stalkers, two overlords, scarabs, two ghost arks and 48 warriors. Good for a starting army, as stalkers and overlords boost your shooting and arka help bring people back to life.

Then later grab cool stuff to taste.

>>53806790
>not autistically organising every unit in eights or multiples of eight
>no 48 berzerkers
The Blood God is not angry with you. Just sad.

>>53806790
Seems good.

You planning on summoning lots? Cuz you seem entirely reliant on constantly moving forward.

Doubt Kharn is just gonna stop his movement and advances to summon some dudes.

>>53806656
when it comes to poxwalkers, the characters they'll benefit most from would probably be something like
Typhus>>>Dark Apostle/Lord>Blightbringer

Dark apostle gives more rerolls than Lord, but Lord is more useful if you also have ranged units nearby. I'd say that poxwalkers really need some form of WS boost before thinking about a blightbringer, otherwise they'll do very little in combat. Even if you're using them as a tar pit you might as well boost their damage output a bit.

>>53805402
I think the takeaway is that all armies are at minimum viable.

>>53806789
>implying sex with qt transgirlsis gay

Nigga pls

>>53806770
>>53806777
You DO pay for them in matched play though right?

>>53806744
90% of that power in the Sol system belongs to the AdMech. The Naval ships in orbit around Terra would be crippled instantly without them.

How good is the new nurgle bloat drone? 2 flamers seems like low damage output for the points but I may be missing something.

>>53805240
I'm sort off.
I don't want to be the WAAC dick for playing guard now

>>53805917
yup, demo set to run academy for new folks, and to set them in glass-case

colours are super simple really: macragee blue spray, recess wash of nuln oil, drybrush of pastel blue form VMC (any very light blue is fine), clean up mess with regular macragee blue. Normally I'd go with layering and edge highlights but I did not have time to spent 1+ week on one squad (which I'd normally do).

>>53805956
>>53806170
as I said to other anon. Also I think I wiped most of my highlights when cleaning up, but it looks brand new that way, and it mostly catch natural light on it.

>>53805795
>>53806157
thanks anons!

>>53806523
>one of these has 4 models with set points that can be slotted into literary any imperium army
>one of these has a ton of fiddly selections

Hrm

>>53806804
The perfect compromise would be upping the hit characteristic on flamers across the board. Adding an extra 1d6, or a flat 3 to everything would be a good start. Or making it so flamers behave like bombs do currently. (roll a d6 for each model in a unit, for each result of Number+, that unit suffers a hit)

>>53806817
If you're genuinely interested in curing yourself rather than furthering your illness, watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAU3SPYFsA

>>53805772
im guessing the blue is airbrushed?

>>53806820
I never said what I was because all you fags lose your mind when it's not a straight white dude posting.

It's not arguably gayer. It is if you're the trap though I guess.

>>53806789
>implying such a thing as a cute trap

>>53806826
Can't have a Death Guard Dark Apostle according to the rules.

And since Poxwalkers are Death Guard only, he's not gonna help.

>>53806810
Hell the AdMech even have some of their own personal Space Marine Chapters that swear fealty to them rather than the Emperor.

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>>53806846
It's not gay if she has a feminine penis!

>>53806849
Yes, you have to reserve points for them. But they come on the board and can charge and shoot, so the best way to think about it is your army starts off as dedicated transport mystery boxes, and anything you want can pop out of those mystery boxes, to suit the situation.

>>53806868
They did all the other fiddly shit, they should have finished the job.

>>53806858
WAAC is a type of behavior, not which army you play.

>>53806849
Yes.

If you have something like 20 plaguebearers with an icon, you pay 170 points and you need to roll 10 or more with 3d6 to summon them.

>>53806878
I'm not a fag at all. I just despise people who go out of their way to advertise their faggotry and literally cannot stop talking about fucking sucking dicks. Fucking degenerates.

Are helturkeys any useful now? I always liked the model and wanted to buy it since forever but now I feel it just got gutted hard

What would you add/change to this 500 pts Skitarii list based upon the starter box and the formation included? Currently sitting at 450.

Dominus Maniple
Tech Priest Dominus (105)
>Volkite Blaster and Macro Pistol (FREE)
>Converter Field (5 pts)
>Raiment of Technomatyr (30 pts)

Total: 140

9 Skitarii Vanguards + Alpha(100 points)
>3 Plasma Caliber (90 pts)
>Radium Carabine on Alpha (FREE)

Total: 190

Onager Dunecrawler (90)
>Neutron Laser + Cognis Stubber (25)
>Cognis Heavy Stubber (5)

Total: 120

Army total: 450 pts

>>53806820
>sex with manly men
>vs sex with men that at least resemble women

I don't follow, Anonymous. Is it something to do with doubling down, or...? Masculine men and cuntboys/masculine trans men with vaginas is literally on the bottom of my "least gay" chart. They're even gayer than genderless abominations and male animals. I'm sorry but if you're straight up fucking generic men, that is as gay as you can possibly get.

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>still can't decide how to paint my Primaris chapter

>>53806857
They're two extra strength heavy flamers re-rolling Wound rolls of 1, and the platform is pretty fucking durable. I don't think they're a bad choice.

Not trying to be a WACC
but
Are tyranids going to be bonkers or just skew lists?

>>53806914
The thing that makes fucking traps gay is the blatant denial of engaging in homosexual behavior. Also
>trans men with vaginas
You know that's just an inverted penis right?

>>53806810
>>53806887
I think if there was a full scale war, it would be long and hard fought but since the Imperium and the Emperor has the backing of 99% of the population, even without the production capacity or weaponry, the Imperium would not fall to the Admech.

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>>53806916
>Primaris

>>53806905
Nor am I but it's just as obnoxious when straight dudes talk about women all the time when the conversation doesn't warrant it. We get it you like women and you're a dude, no one fucking cares idiot. Stop posting about what you are. You're just trying to get attention for how "normal" you are.

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>>53806790
Blood for the blood God, anon.

>>53806954
And you think I don't find that annoying either? If I want to hear which whores you've fucked I go to /soc/ or /b/. Keep your promiscuity out of my /tg/.

The problem is that the large majority of attentionwhoring sexposting comes from fags. When straights do it to I call it out just as much.

>>53805826
Hey anon, remember that the NL comes with a Heavy Stubber as well, so you need to pay for that one too.

>>53806920

They also have fly which makes them nice because they can retreat and still fire which makes them super versatile.

>>53806916
paint them as deathwatch anon
they need to atone for the abomination that is their fluff

>>53806883
There are qt trans girls. You'd suck her dick too.
>>53806846
What is it?

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>>53806916

>playing chadmarines

>>53806979
Name one who doesn't look or sound like a dude.

>>53806939
The hilarious lack of reproductive knowledge here....

The closest approximation to a female penis is the clit, which actually grows from the same proto-tissues and location.

The vag is more heavily related to your ball sack.

>>53806884
Oh yeah, didn't even think about that. But that's allright as its LD buff isn't needed and the rerolls from lords is more useful for a mixed melee/ranged army.

Interesting note: CSM Daemon Princes give their reroll buff to both <legion> and daemons of the same god, and they're only at 8 wounds, so can be hidden.
Chaos Daemons Daemon Princes only grant their buff to daemons, and are at 10w, so can't be hidden, though they instead get their gods bonus (like fnp for nurgle), which CSMs princes don't.

>>53806823
But... there are 48 berzerkers in that list?

>>53806973
Well good, I can't be mad at you for that. So hey I think I like you. You want to play games and paint together?

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Mechanicus civil war when?

Explain something to me as I want to get into this since there's a new version or whatever coming out.

For the Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines there's all the different chapters. Can I use like units from any chapter I want? And with the Chaos Space Marines can I put demons in my army as well?

>>53806952
>>53806982

>samefagging this hard

>>53806972

What do you need that many throne heralds for?

>>53806876

lets play the game of 'what isnt airbrushed in that photo'.

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>>53807004

>>53806998
Why not? I'm currently doing some basing while taking a break from painting an apothecary.

>>53806907
Let me enlighten you to the glory that is the "Harassmentdrake"

The Harassmentdrake is rediculeously fast, really hard to kill in a short time, and has just enough damage output to not be easy to ignore. But the best part is that the Harassmentdrake is capable of tying any unit you like down in close combat from turn 1 onwards. Despite the fact that the Harassmentdrake might not actually kill much itself, being inside the gunline harassing units left, right and center with impunity* is a nightmare for any opponent to deal with.

*Harassment lawsuits might follow.

>>53806989
He's talking about post op trannies.

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>>53807004
You got me

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Death Guard but with a twist.

Going Fast.

>>53806989
I'm talking about fucking GRS trannies you flaming idiot. What a fucking pseud.

>>53806996
Shit, you'Re right. Although, you could have gone with 6 squads of 8. Or just go the extra mile and make 8 squads of 8.

>>53807032
The context went right over my head there.

Yeah then you would be fucking a penis.

>>53807022
Sounds productive. I picked up more primer today as I spent the past few days priming a lot of models. Everything I have painted is going to be okay in 8th so I have a lot of new models and stuff to paint that I want to try. It's exciting. You starting any new army for 8th?

I'm thinking Deathwatch as my first Marine army.

>>53807000
As long as you follow the limitations for that chapter/legion, for those that have a page to themselves with such limitations (currently only the 4 cult legions for CSM, don't know about loyalists).
And yes, you can mix in daemons with CSM. No penalties to that yet, but when proper codex comes we'll likely see bonuses for staying within a specific faction.

>>53807040
>>53807020
>Samefagging this hard

its joke