Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for Daemonettes

>>53797354
Terrible OP, why are they all such shitt y memelords?

Going to try out triple Eversor super fun time tonight. Wish me wryyyyyy.

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>>53797299
>>53797334
problem is, I can't field too many poxwalkers because I don't have enough minis

any other suggestions?

I think I've grown addicted to recasters. I keep wanting to place orders for shit.

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So I only really had a chance to lightly skim through the new rules and I have a weird question.

I play Custodes primarily; is it possible to run my pure Custodes force in 8th or do I still need an HQ? If I need an HQ, can I run Celestine as just that? I like the all gold theme so I'm hoping it can work like it did in 7th.

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O R K S

>>53797376
You could add a Helbrute.

165 points for twin lascannon and power scourge.

Gives you 35 points to play around with on plague marine champion

>>53797378
Story of my life.. So much cheap Chinese Crack...

>>53797386

Deffskuls is da best cuz wez always got da eyes ah Gork 'n Mork on us givin us da best loot!

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This is Commissar Gaunt. Can anyone explain why does he look like neanderthal, and what's wrong with his eyes.

Also any of you going to the BL event celebrating the release of the new Gaunt Ghost novel?

Hey what do you guys think of my ork list

Gorkanaut - 364 points
3 Meganobz - 162

Nob with waagh banner - 79
Mek - 22 points
627 points
Ghazghkull - 215

29 boyz + Nob/W big choppa - 189
29 boyz + Nob/W big choppa - 189
29 boys + Nob/W big choppa - 189
567 points total for boyz

5 Bikes +Klaw = 160
5 Bikes +Klaw = 160

19 Stormboyz + Nob with Pk = 185
Zagstruck = 88 points
= 273

2,002 Points

>>53797451
It's the weird reverse-jew nose that makes him look like a neanderthal

>>53797459
>2,002
What power level is it?

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>>53797421
its funny because I actually have a hellbrute
I was thinking of using it as a DISTRACTION CARNIFEX
With the available points I gave the champions plasma pistols and power swords, but I'm not sure if those are even good

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>>53797459
>2002

So I'm picking my army purely off fluff and I've settled on Word Bearers.

I should be taking a Dark Apostle and lots of daemons alongside my marines, right?

>>53797471
Plasma pistols are good

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2000 point battle Drew Carey vs Nurglets critique our lists and predicts the outcome.

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>>53797484

Nurglet

>>53797459
>>53797459
>2,002 Points
If you can't respect a limit, play power levels.
If 'it's alright dude, I just play with friends, cbill out lmao' then you shouldn't care about optimizing your list and shouldn't ask for advice or comments on the internet.

>>53797376
Buy fantasy zombies?

>>53797497
no, adding the hellbrute actually comes in handy, as I have one laying around

>>53797494
>then you shouldn't care about optimizing your list and shouldn't ask for advice or comments on the internet.
I'd want to optimize my list to beat my friends. Loser shouts a round.

>>53797476
>>53797494
>being this autistic

>>53797378
>find recaster
>wait for wife to come home so we can rework our budget
>go to place an order
>all trace of chinaman is gone
lel I just want a Spartan and Mastodon damn it

>>53797471
remember that poxwalkers killing people makes more poxwalkers

>>53797384
I havent seen it with my own eyes yet but apparently they said during one of the recent streams that you can count a guard squad as a command squad

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Fellow Chaos aficionados! What units seem great and/or shit so far(and why)?

Seems great:
- Lascannon Predator (very resilient anti-armor/MC)
- twin talon Daemon Prince (just seems solid)
- berserkers (fuckton of damage in CC)
- heldrake (fast and versatile - flamer for small shit, claws fro vehicles)

>>53797543
yeah, but the thing would be to actually include in the unit the mini that has just been killed

I mean, it makes sense, even if it looks weird that a fire warrior advances with the rest of the zombies

>>53797559
twin talons + warp bolter

>>53797384
You can but you'll need at least 1 HQ to fill in the HQ requirement of the smallest detachment
You can do that with Celestine because both Custodes and Celestine have the <Imperium> keyword
You could do it with any Imperium units

Is S5 the magic number?
Nothing beside buildings has T8+ so you will always wound at worst 5+

>>53797559
Sticking combi bolters to vehicles.

2 points for power of two marines shooting

>>53797573
I like 7 because 7 wounds cheap spam vehicles on 4 and I've been seeing a ton of them

>>53797559
have you seen the defiler? it looks cheesy as fuck, that shit just won't die

basic CSM seem disappointing, it seems now there is little reason to field them instead of cult units

>>53797573

I'm finding S5 -1 AP to be the sweet spot

>>53797559
>>53797583
Combi-weapons in general, every CSM vehicle can bring a melta or plasma now and shoot it every turn.

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>want hellturkey
>check price
>74 fucking dollars
>chinaman has it for $40 or less
>worry about quality

Am I mistaken in thinking Devastators in a Spearhead detachment are way superior to Tactical squads in a Battalion? For the same base price you get the Signum, and you can get much more heavy weapons, giving a real purpose to your squad instead of leaving them as all-rounders. As for the special weapons you lose, they fall under the same logic and are much more efficient on units that can spam them - Company veterans for instance.
I don't think 2 more re-rolls are worth that much.

>>53797559
CSM sorcerers seem almost an auto-take, the dark hereticus discipline has fantastic buffs.

If we're including daemons, bloodcrushers caught my eye. They're fairly speedy, and 4 S6 AP-3 attacks per model on the charge will put a dent in a lot of stuff, even before the bonus S7 attacks from the juggers.

>>53797601

>Combi-weapons in general, every CSM vehicle can bring a melta or plasma now
Well, they've alw-
>and shoot it every turn.
Yes. Lots of yes. I like the combi-flamer option for punishing assaults a bit.

>>53797572
Someone posted something about a Custodian Guard being available as HQ as well as Troops, but it's not in the index (no, not even on the missing page) so if it gets added it'll be in the codex or something

>>53797601
>bring combi plasma on my Chaos Land Raider
>Turn one shoot lascannons and bolters into shit
>overpower combi plasma against Chad marines
>roll 1 to hit

>>53797592
How is it costed? Don't have the index at hand.
>>53797601
I was thinking of running termie lord+5 termies with combi plasma and deep striking on a flank

>>53797616
fuck yeah
>>53797631
That lord for reroll 1s is amazing and he's pretty damn strong too

>>53797606
If you are worried about quality by the original.
That said some recast of FW end looking better than GW/FW resin for some odd reason. Sure it is not the norm, but how much they charge I expect good to perfect quality alway.
So I don't have to mail them every 3 orders due to defective products

>>53797624
combi weapons are no longer one shot and you can fire both of them.

>>53797606
Yeah, recasters can be a bit hit & miss
Got two different sets from the same guy, one was indistinquishable from an original one, the other kit is is a mess with a lot of details just not there

>>53797614
I'm not quite up to date with the rules - how fast are they exactly? Lord on jugg is rather slow from what I've read (and I'd fucking love to field a jugger lord with a possy!)

>>53797643
The meme is that failing overcharge on a land raider combi plasma kills it, massive toughness and wounds just ignored

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plz critique my list, reposted from other thread.

Only change is the wagon has an 'ardcase... which appears to be free.

>Big Mek on bike giving battlewagon full of choppa boyz and bikers 5++
>Two foot blobs with KFF and Waaagh Banner for support
>Warboss can zoom around as needed for the charge aura
>bommer just because, I have the model and I like the boom bombs

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>>53797631
base cost is 216 withour wargear, most cheap is 245

300 points exactly with twin lascannon and twin heavy flamers

>>53797592

>basic CSM seem disappointing

When was the last edition where basic CSM weren't disappointing anon?

>>53797650
overcharging on vehicles just does wounds rather than instant killing like infantry, though

>>53797665
5th editon I think

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1498: outrider detachment

warboss on warbike w/ slugga, power klaw
big mek on warbike w/ kustom force field

x2) mek w/ slugga, choppa

19 boyz w/ shootas + 1 big shoota inc. boss nob w/ kustom shoota, big choppa
19 boyz w/ slugga, choppa inc. boss nob w/ slugga, power klaw
10 gretchin

7 warbikers w/ slugga choppa inc. boss nob w/ big choppa
x3) warbuggy w/ rack of rokkitz
x2) deffkopta w/ kopta rokkitz, spinnin' blades

battlewagon w/ deff rolla
battlewagon w/ 'ard case, deff rolla

>r8 dnt h8

>>53797666
Hmm not how I remember it

>>53797649
8" move, with +1 to advance rolls from the basically compulsory instrument of chaos. So it's not up there with seekers by any means, but they should get across the battlefield, especially now cavalry can ride through terrain without tripping over or banging their heads on low branches.

>>53797609
I was thinking the same thing, my list is company veterans and Devastators/assault marines out the ass. Just need a transport now and was thinking about a super heavy

>>53797592
>basic CSM seem disappointing, it seems now there is little reason to field them instead of cult units
I've just reached the same conclusion for Tactical squads I think >>53797609

>>53797451
>Can anyone explain why does he look like neanderthal
He doesn't?

He looks like a nazis wet dream

>>53797559

Chosen seem pretty decent from both the shits and giggles standpoint and actual playability

In a 6 man squad you can load them up each with a special weapon, meaning 6 plasma guns or meltaguns while still having a solid combat statline, or give out a ton of lightning claws to tear shit up.

On the shits and giggles side though you can give 5 of them combi bolters to vomit out shots or load half the squad up with powerfists to push peoples shit in.

My one gripe being that other than a rhino they don't really have a delivery mechanism other than a landraider, would be nice if they could infiltrate or take special tactics like 30k vets

>>53797451
His eyes are artificial at that point

>>53797484
>>53797491
DEldar is prolly gonna win due to mobility, nurgler might do alright if its objectives though

>>53797690
SoB player here. Our models are old, expensive and mostly out of stock.

The basic squad is rather good. You can cram 3 flamers, meltas, Storm bolters in there. They can out shoot marines squads of their same size.

Marines have performance issue

>>53797676
the one I remember off the top of my head is that the Stormraven can overcharge it's plasma cannons, and to hit rolls of 1 just deal 1 mortal wound to it

Can intercessors go in regular rhinos?

How fucked are tau now in 8th edition ?

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>>53797717
No

>>53797717
no

>>53797723
They're worse than orks now. Sell all your models and hang yourself.

>>53797559
I've read on 1d4chan that raptors are unimpressive, while warp talons are dope, but have no idea how true that is

>>53797723
Fairly fucked.

>>53797723
They're okay
much worse, but okay
what with the whole falling back gimmick

>>53797733
1d4chan is basically meme list building.
Might help for a general idea but that's it.

>>53797727
Fuck!

So landraiders or the new floaty thing are my options?

>>53797717
nope, no current transport will take them

>>53797723
It's fucking amusing how many Tau players I've seen who are actively seeking new armies to start. Their army is no longer a cheesy fucking joke so they no longer feel that the game will be fun, BEFORE the edition is even released. It really proves once and for all that Tau players are fucking scrubs.

How are necrons in 8th ? I haven't seen much talk about them

>>53797746
>landraiders
No. Read the leaks in the op, they have no transport until their custode-rhino gets released

>>53797738
>i cant run riptide wing anymore:the post
Maybe learn to play.

>>53797750
I like what I'm seeing, but what's the plan? Seems disconnected

>>53797750
You've no long range hitting or tank busting.

Your berserkers will get cucked by morale if the enemy splitfires on two squads

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>>53797746
Primaris can't enter Land Raiders, either.
They can only use their own transports and vice verca

>>53797654
Correct me if I'm wrong but you don't pay for unit Sarges correct? So the nobz in the boy squad should be 31 points

>>53797760
Who wants to play a gutted army ?

>>53797746
Transports got a massive points hike in this version. You're going to see a lot more foot armies.

>>53797764
Don't even play Tau, was just giving my assessment.

They hit on 4s mostly and getting 5+ markerlights is very hard

>>53797666
Untrue. it just so happends that all the built in plasma weapons do this. The combi-plasma will still kill the landraider instantly

>>53797573
Ideal targets

Strength
S3: Light infantry
S4: Infantry
S5: Infantry, characters
S6: Light vehicles, heavy infantry
S7: Vehicles
S8+: Heavy vehicles

Armor Penetration
AP0: Infantry
AP1: Infantry, light vehicles
AP2: Heavy infantry, light vehicles, vehicles
AP3+: Heavy infantry, vehicles, heavy vehicles. Usually wasted against invuln saves.

Damage
1: Infantry, quantum shielding
2+: Heavy infantry, all vehicles

>>53797775
>No longer cheesy bullshit
>Now points-costed fairly
>gutted

You people are fucking hilarious

>>53797782
lmao what
GW is going to have be quick about releasing an FAQ and errata since that's clearly not RAI

>>53797675
Nobs can take a shoota and big choppa?

>>53797800
Yeah it's weird

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Grey knights seem like a add on to the main space marines now than a real army now.
Did the matt ward codex really need them to be punished like this?

How good are inferno pistols now?

I've always had a thing for them with my BA

>>53797760
Why does everyone always jump to this conclusion immediately

>LOLOLG GET FUCKED U CANT USE 6 RIPTIDES ANY MORE GIT GUD SCRUB

Getting tired of this meme

>>53797723

General opinion seems pretty fucked.

IMO they seem to have a lot of very interesting combos with Support systems on battle suits, the fact that drones can bubble wrap units and have wounds from that unit applied to them, and the fact crisis suits can take up to 3 addition weapon systems or sub systems can make them pretty brutal as a drop alpha strike unit. Costs on a lot of units went up but since basically everyone's costs got changed I don't know if thats as relevant as the internal balance, which I haven`t done enough reading on to tell you how fucked it is.

They seem like they've transitioned from a pretty top tier WAAC army to a pay out the ass your dudes army, and I think we should all be happy with that fact.

Ow, and large battle suits are classed as monsters so "poisoned" weapons hurt them on whatever their flat dice roll is, while the Stormsurge is a vehicle instead who can get tased (bro) to death by bonus damage from mechanicum electro shock weapons. This all seems like a missed opportunity to just make all/most of the tau suits "Vehicles", since most of them are a giant cube of metal with a blueberry buried somewhere inside, especially for the Ghostkeel/Riptide

>>53797818
they seem really good
seen some batreps where they just kill characters and big guys right off the bat

>>53797606
Don't buy china if you can have it in plastic.

There are plenty of shops that do from -20% to -30% depending on the country.

If you wanted an Hellblade, that would be different (china is terrible with big kits, but that would be so much cheaper it may be worth it for you)

>>53797788
So much this. People can't lean on muh gundam, so everything must be shit

>>53797716
That's a rule specific to the vehicle though. Plasma Lemon Russ also have a rule that says they take 6 mortal wounds and can't fire their plasamas any more. Land raiders have no such rule, so are instantly killed if they mess up an overcharge.

>>53797771
The problem is that they called it a 'Boss Nob' which isn't listed anywhere in the points. I have just assumed they mean a Nob so I was working off a 17pt Nob with a 25pt PK.

>>53797788
8th ed is infantry heavy, all the big battlesuits aren't cost effective, boring to play.

>>53797815
They should go back to stomping daemon balls and needing allies to fight anything else effectively just like in the old daemonhunters codex.

>>53797815
They're true specialists, they will murder daemons and nidzilla, but suffer heavily against single-wound infantry and their psychic powers are trash. Their strike squads are now decently powerful CC units-A couple of rhinos full of them is actually pretty good, as opposed to being eternally passed over for Termies. But you're right, unless you know you'll be fighting lots of monsters, they're pretty underwhelming.

>>53797837
I think you'll find that suits are now much harder to kill, meaning you are paying for their staying power. Plus the game is very heavily slanted to low unit count because it basically means you will go first every game.

>>53797606
If you go recast, buy finecast models, oop models or forgeworld. If it's plastic go original.

>>53797818

Also Baal Predators (with any weapons), I like those I hope predators will be good to support my land raider

>>53797807
How would i make a model like that?
Do I just put the gun on his back or choppa?

>>53797559
Havent played yet, but IMO:
Great:
>spawns
cheap, lots of attacks, fun
>Nurglngs
can deply on 1 turn objective grab, nice model, cheap.
>Hellbrute
kick ass, slap back(new crazed rules), shame he has no Disgusting Relilient(spelling I know) if you take him with DG.

Shit:
>beast of nurgle
weaker spawn, cost more.
>Possesed
random ass attacks, not so cheap, borng rules
I still w8 for FAQ to see if WarpTalons are ok(3A) or Great(4A). My big wish is to see Defiler kick ass like he use to.
>>53797698
You mean like they could in 3.5.

>>53797860
That's how I'd do it

>>53797850
They really just need lots of drones to function now.

>>53797723

Off topic, but "FLY" lets battle suits ignore terrain and fall back out of combat while still being able to shoot, so what does "JET PACK" do?

>>53797698
What about giving them all Power Swords for a ghetto-tier heavy infantry hunters?

>>53797880
gives you FLY

>>53797820
Because half of the people screaming "baw Tau suck nau Dat I can't riptidewing" are just shitters that never ed played them to begin with. It's propped up so the same guys can respond with "lol that's what you get faget lelelelelel".

Just ignore it. Tau are functional but you have to play smart. You have to use markerlights like a scalpel instead of just blanket army buffs and use movement and positioning to control your opponent and bring screening forcses as they actually made Tau vulnerable to melee again.
Beyond horde armies, mono-build lists like suit spam will struggle. Variety is needed this addition.

>>53797880
Nothing yet I don't think, for space marines stuff like rhinos have rules against jump packs

>>53797880
Jet Pack usually refers to how many spaces things take in transports, but that might not make sense in this context.

>>53797642
>>53797644
>>53797853
I've gotten orders before, but it's always been on kits already resin. This is the only one I'm looking at recast because it's 74 fucking dollars. I can buy a real Hellblade for less from fucking forgeworld.

>>53797829

Bull shit. I've never seen 20-30% ever. Even ebay barely touched 10% anymore.

>>53797766
Maulerfiends use their speed and toughness to charge early and disrupt, buying time for the zerker hordes. Juggerlord id there for reroll aura. Heldrake and second Lord kill units hanging too far back for the zerkers to reach in time.

All melee to keep it fluffy, combi meltas everywhere for threatening vehicles.

>>53797767
>You've no long range hitting or tank busting.
Comi-meltas on everything nigga. And chainaxes make zerkers S6, and remember they fight twice.

>Your berserkers will get cucked by morale if the enemy splitfires on two squads
Thank Khorne for command points.

>>53797887
No it doesnt

JET PACK and FLY are two different keywords

>>53797860
Make an orky GoW lancer.

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>>53797673
>csm
>5th
>not disappointing

>>53797896
Did you check on triple helix wargames?

>>53797896
Are we allowed to post URLs here? I have an online shop that is obscenely cheap. For an Australian standard anyway.

discount games store dot c0m

>>53797723
I was going to pick up Tau starter set for 8th precisely because of the gundams, will they still be decent?

>>53797723

Behold the anal devastation! You can hear him trying not to cry at the end.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ZO1xD3lg8

>>53797883

You know, I was about to say that just hosing dudes down with plasma is probably a better use of their time, but power swords are 4ppm now so it would probably be pretty legit, you'd just have to actually buy a landraider for them as a delivery mechanism.

>>53797863
>I still w8 for FAQ to see if WarpTalons are ok(3A) or Great(4A). My big wish is to see Defiler kick ass like he use to.
why would they have 4 attacks? they have 1 each + 2 lightning claws, isnt that 3?

>>53797894

Yeah, the only units with jump packs are battle suits and they already can't ride in a Devilfish

Can someone explain me how grenades work? When i can throw them and all other shit

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>>53797924
>Skip to the very end
>Basically the entire DE army still on the table

Don't even need to watch it.

>>53797940
One model can throw a grenade per unit instead of any other shooting

>>53797896
>Bull shit. I've never seen 20-30% ever
I haven't bought a single kit that wasn't at least 25% off in years.

>ebay
That overpriced mess? Yeah, no wonder.
Don't you have the facebook markets where you live?

>>53797926
Not really, rhinos are cheap as chips and seriously tough, i could see rhinorush powerweapon chosen as a pretty mean list if it had predator support and such. Plus two rhinos and a quad-las predator is still cheaper than a raider

>>53797929
Talons have 2A base, their unit entry have diffrent wording on LC and RAW make it like they have 4A.
LC entry state that only pair of LC give you +1A.
Thus debate is ongoing, I fell like it is just mistake but It would be nice if unit named TALONS would be better at fighting with Lightning TALONS(claws). But 3A is still good, shame they cant take Icon like raptors.

>>53797957
Talons are 1 base.

>>53797365
Cause shitposters have more nothing better to do than compete for worst OP.

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>>53797905

UK not burgerworld, so doesn't help

>>53797912
Their prices are all over the place and the not-so-fine-print about availability is worrying.

>>53797951
>I haven't bought a single kit that wasn't at least 25% off in years.
Must be nice

>Don't you have the facebook markets where you live?
>facebook
>mfw

>>53797940
read the rules

>>53797723

It kinda seems they rebalanced Tau to require fire warrior spam, but maybe 3 tau players actually care about fire warriors.

Also, markerlights as a mechanism meant that in previous editions it'd be ridiculous to give veteran skill stats out to tau units when they can buff to BS2 anyhow, but now markers are a lot weaker and they managed to miss that tau veterans have the skill of newbie guardsmen.

>>53797970
Maybe, point still stand, if it is mistake they will be ok-ish unit just like Raptors are instead of being good.
Helldrakes FTW.(I hope GW want to sell Talons and make them good)

>>53797952

Holy fuck thats actually true.

I really need to get out of the 7th ed mind set.

i didnt see them, are servo skulls still in the rules?
in 7th they reduced scatter from 2d6 to 1

Has anyone used a hunter or stalker yet? They seem like a good alternative to a predator.

>>53797976

Triple helix is uk too

>>53797894
maybe its like how sigmar has 'fly' but some units like frogs, have 'leaps and bounds' which is practically the same thing. check the front of the indice for it

>>53798005
True but land raider can move and shoot well as well as being very tough

Only a 10 point difference for more mobile lascannons and better anti infantry heavy bolters

>>53798022
I ordered dark imperium from them for £71, decent saving there

>>53797723
Riptide spam WAAC tourney faggots are fucked
Everything else is fine

>>53797836
I thought everyone's unit upgrade characters were free?

>5 chosen all with power swords and plasma pistols
>135pts
>with rhino 205pts
I can dig it, heavy infantry will be decimated

>>53798047
Most are, rubric marines are an exception

>>53797976
If you're "too cool" to use the full second hand market then you've chosen to pay extra.

>>53798047
I'd be happy if that were the case, where did you read that? If I'm getting a Nob for 6 points I'll be pretty fukn happy.

>>53798037
such expensive delivery, though

>>53798052
Rhino is 72 base

>>53798063
oh yes

>>53798052
You can fit two min units of chosen in a rhino tho, put in either five more with swords, or have one shooty and one choppy squad

>>53798062

Yeah I need to sit down and work out if I'm actually saving money using triple helix over element games.

>>53798062
Yep, not sure what I'd put in there myself

>>53798080
I usually ask my wargaming buddies if they need some shit to bump it to free delivery.

>>53798061
I mean there aren't point costs for most. As far as I can tell, the boyz nob is 6 points plus weapons

>>53798126
Think of it this way. You don't pay more for the boss nob in the actual nob squad either

Where's good to order from that's located in/ships to the US and has a decent discount? My LGS doesn't do a special order or even preorder discount at all.

>>53798080
as an euro who's LGS doesn't do discounts, element is a godsend

>>53798022

Yes that's correct. It's UK. I'm burger world hey literally aren't allowed to sell it to me because reasons.

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Will Guilliman cry like a bitch for his mother in the next 40k lore book?

Which loyalist legion should my Primaris be successors of?

>>53798157
You can thank GW themselves for that one

>>53798161
>That scene in Night Lords

>>53798173
Care to elaborate

>>53798171
I know

>US, you're not allowed to sell anything ever!
>sales plummet
>f-fine! But only 15% off ever!

There is a reason I'm highly considering china.

>>53797917
The Crisis suits are very niche if you are going to min/max your list.

The stealth suits and Commander suits are fucking amazing for the points.

>>53798171
GW loves to dick out America (north, central and south)

>>53798173
What happened in that novel?

>>53798182
well, if its like 40 neebux for a recast hellturkey, you'll either get a useable flyer, or you'll learn a lesson worth 40$, with some bits thrown in as well

Ive played with points and Ive played with power level

I liked power level more

Anyone else?

>>53798161
>Waaah dad-emperor didn't loved me!

bitch

>>53798170
Why would they be anything other than Imperial Fists or Salamanders?
Although, since Cawl wants to use the old traitor legions' geneseed as well, you could do one of those?

>>53798206
Not really, its alright if you regularly take overly-equipped squads, but i'd rather have not have every single chaos marine wielding a powerfist, plasma pistol and combiplas

>>53798179
>>53798197

There's a flashback scene where The night lords are on parade on Nostromo and people are mostly cheering at them, one cries and pleads with Talos, whom he ignores. Later after the parade, his squadmate/childhood friend says something like "didn't you recognize that woman?" ton which Talos declined and was told that it was his mother

>>53797924
beautiful

>>53797820
>Getting tired of this meme
>The entire Tau playerbase is a meme

Well you got that right. a dead meme.

>>53798220
Was she a bitch to him? I mean if she was it could be justified

>>53798243

I don't recall, but I don't think so. It was more about the whole what happens when you become a space Marine thing

My ork List:
Warboss with klaw
Big mek with kff
Weirdboy

30 boys with big choppa
30 boys with big choppa

Dred with ccw and skorcha
Dred with 2 skorcha
6 kans with grotzookas

Trukk
9x tankbustas with 2 squigs, 1 pistols, klaw

Painboy with klaw

1588, thoughts?

>>53798220
>>53798243

Nostramo was fucking dark all the time, the average citizen was covered in soot and/or shit, and wailing and crying and the gnashing of teeth of women young and old were heard round the clock. So I wouldn't blame him.

>>53798284
>1588
i think you're a troll

>>53798268
I think it is more likely a legion thing, since big blue still treated his mother alright.

>>53798296
Sorry 1598. The next two friendly tournies around here are 1600 points no forgeworld

>>53798297
Considering most Space Marines have to be taught how to behave humanly to some extend after their transformation, being recruited where there is more rape and murder going on in a square mile every second than in the entirety of America's history probably doesn't help with a Night Lords' humanity

All this talk about discounts and deals makes me want to brag a bit
>22 firewarriors
>10 drones
>3 crisis suits
>broadside
>devilfish
>sniper drone team
all for $40 Canadian, whats the best deal you ever had?

What's good to run on a Cannoness... I was thinking Plasma Pistol with Eviscerator and sticking her in an immolator with 5 BS, with the superior toting a Combi-Plas and a Plamsa Pistol.

>>53798322
I got over a 1000 bucks of Sisters for 200 bucks.

>>53798322
An entire, mostly unassembled, Space Marine company box from back when Apocalypse was first launched in 4th edition, nothing even undercoated, plus some extras like a Whirlwind, for 145 bucks. Bought it before 5th edition launched off some person who tried 40k and then decided he didn't like it.

>>53798325

Our Evicerators are shit now and not worth 22pts. Give her a combi of the squad of your choice and stick her there unless you want to mix melta and plasma or something. It's retarded that we lost our command squad because otherwise we'd have a sure fire spot.

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>>53798333
nice digits
i remember you from yesterday

>>53797924
Is it because Ta are bad now, DEldar are really good or is Tau player just bad at the game without an OP army?

Not watching 2 hours to find out.

>>53798322
a guy literally dumped all his shit at the game store and let people pick it apart like vultures. happened a week ago actually.

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How do CWE into anti-vehicle? Scatlasers are virtually worthless now, and most of their vehicle suck

Maybe Reapers? They pump out a lot of dakka, but I don't think it's doing that much damage. Would something to the tune of 10 Reapers with 9-12 shuriken cannon Jetbikes (maybe some wave serpents too?) be sufficient?

>>53798322
i ordered a krieg platoon and instead of 4x infantry and 1x command, they sent me 3x and 2x, and when i told them they sent me a free infantry squad

i also have a friend that gave me 2k marines and 2k tyranids which i split amongst friends

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Footslogging DG?

Yay?

Nay?

>>53798405
Footslogging is the way of 8th

out of curiosity can someone post a 7th scatbike spam with WK list vs an 8th scatbike spam with WK list

I want to see the difference

filthy phone poster here

>>53798161

Shouldn't a baby Primarch be the size of like, a side of beef?

>>53798325
Evcisarator are not really worth it.
Sure it end being S6 AP-4 D3, but it is 1- to hit for 22 points
But for 4 points you get a power maul that ends being S5 AP-1

Since nothing right now has T10 beside buildings. The Eviscerator ends being way to expensive just to specialize into multiwound dealing damage.
You can do the same thing with an inferno pistol and the power maul for just 18.

Yes it is not exactly the same but if you really want to do multi wound there are better options

>>53798362
Aren't they just chainfists?

>>53798322
old metal Kharn for $2 maplebucks

>Battle Sister is 9pts
>Dominion is 10pts
>Celestian is 11pts

Battle sisters and celestians can both take 2 specials or special heavy. Dominions get 4 specials and a scout move. Celestians get an extra melee attack. Why the fuck would anyone ever take celestians?

>>53798333
Shit, as rare as they can be thats a nice find
>>53798353
lol I went full retard when I got into 40k and I still have mountains of unbuilt stuff waiting around but I couldnt imagine just selling it off at a loss
>>53798384
I think I remember you posting about it a few threads ago, I wonder if he regrets that?

>>53798395
Why are so many eldar players allergic to the bright lance? Don't think I've seen a single craftworlds list since the leaks came out that actually included one.

>>53798014
There's no scatter, so no.

>>53798395
Fire Dragons, Bright Lances, Wraithguard. Bright lances are great, AP -4 means vehicles don't get armor saves at all.

>>53798417
The difference between those two is that you find the first in 7th edition tournaments.

The second you find listed on eBay.

>>53798424
Yes, which are shit on a S3 model with the new wound chart coupled with the -1 to hit. See what >>53798420 said.

>>53798429
celestians get a special and a special/heavy and Bodyguard rule.

>>53798429
Nobody knows.
In 7th both AS and IA codex you could run combi-plasma and flamer 5 times or 4 times and a medic. (The command squad option)

They could work, but most of the time it was better to spam Dominion, Seraphim and Battle Sister than try make that thing work.

Maybe if Celestians had 2 attacks and everyone could get a power weapon and special weapon they could be useful. Right now there is no point in using them

>>53797354

[Do I even want to know what excuse they used to get a fucking mariachi band on the bridge of the Enterprise? Besides "Yeah, that's just Q", I mean?]

>>53798405
Due to the limitations on psychic powers, you're best off bringing only two psykers. I'm gonna bring Typhus and a Daemon Prince. The Bellguy is also mediocre for what he costs. Poxwalkers are best used maxed so they can keep their bonuses from squad size until they meet the enemy. Plague marines gain nothing from more dudes, its best to run them as five-man squads with two special weapons. We might be getting a nurglified special hellbrute, and we're definitely getting Mortarion and special Nurgle Terminators.

>>53798457
You can do the same thing with Battle Sister squads minus the bodyguard rule

But how character works, that rule is rather pointless. Unless you know before hand that the opponent is spamming snipers

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Guard Unit Tier List, 8th

>CADIA STANDS tier
Conscripts
Scions
Taurox Prime
Stormlord
Heavy Weapons squads
Commissars

>Kasrkin Tier
Hellhounds
Pretty much every named character
ratlings
Commanders
Bullgryns
Manticore
Basilisk
Other Baneblade variants
Leman Russ Demolisher variants
Ministorum Priest
Command squads

>Trooper Tier
Rough Riders
Master of Ordnance
Special weapons squads
Master of the Fleet
Taurox
Valkyrie
Primaris Psyker
Enginseer
Ogryns
Infantry Squads
Leman Russ Battle tank
Wyvern

>NJP Tier
Veterans
Sentinels
Astropath
Chimera
Leman Russ Eradicator

>Summary Execution Tier
Leman Russ Vanquisher & Exterminator
Wyrdvane Psykers

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>>53798366
Yeah, I'm picking up 2x Rhino today to make the exorcist and Repressor. Veridyan is probably going to chill in her box until some rules come out for her.

I still need way more of those non bolter weapon gals.

Also the Penitent Engines were unbuilt and fuck me balls deep I modeled one yesterday and nearly threw the fucking thing against the floor. What a shitty model to build.

Other than that I'm doing them in Menoth's Colors (warmachine, pic for reference) and calling them the Order of the Flaming Sword, because Gulliman is back, wielding the Emp's Blade. My fluff is basically they follow him and Celestine around with the Indomitus Crusade making sure they don't do stupid heretic shit, and go purgin' where purgin' is needed.

>>53798472
That's just Q, mate.
Q basically was a god like being, they can do everything to fuck around. Remember that one episode picard had to literally defend himself against a court of spanish inquistors that could speak english with Q presiding over the court.

This Q was basically interested in human history and used that to teach picard and the crew.

>>53798512
>that one episode picard had to literally defend himself against a court of spanish inquistors that could speak english with Q presiding over the court.
Literally his first appearance. He STARTED OUT doing that.

>>53798512
>that one episode
It was the first. Never seen a show start off with a worse episode than that one and I watch anime.

>>53798433
>>53798447
I'll look into bright lances then. Thanks bros

>>53798520
>>53798529
That was the first?
Damn, need to rewatch TNG on netflix, i seem to be misplacing shit.

>>53798471

The command squad was gutted and they decided to keep the overpriced shitstain called celestians

>>53798510
Fuck I'm jelly

>>53798014
Is scatter still in the rules?
I actually read them, but didn't see it...

>>53798014
No Scatter, no servoskulls

>>53798554
No.

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>>53798505
>mfw cadia

>>53797559
Daemon Prince is great, can confirm, I had two beat the crap out of Kharn and berserkers. That said, berserkers are really good, they get gobs of attacks even if they don't get the charge off.
I'm not sure of the advantage of a Land Raider over just running a Rhino and a las-Predator separately, now that all units can charge from vehicles. The Disgustingly Resilient rule is tough to get through on daemons of Nurgle, let alone the rezzing a plague drone on a morale roll of 1.

>>53798529
>worse episode
Look, I'll admit that Riker didn't have a beard in that one, but between Q being Q and Picard spending the first 20 minutes belting out ACTUAL NAVAL ORDERS like an ACTUAL CAPTAIN I gotta contest the use of the word 'worse'.

Yes, Wesley was in it, but it wasn't that bad.

So I have been looking over the new Harlequins and Ynarri and I am very impressed with words of the phoenix and twilight's path. Both have the potential of putting our fast units across the table on turn 1.

Our jetbikes have 16" move so casting either power on a unit of skyweavers would give them a total of 32" for a move. Because they fly they can go over models. A nice combo would be to do a pincer attack where one unit attacks a character and the other unit attacks the unit the character is probably hiding behind. If the character dies you can soul burst your other unit to do an extra shoot/attack.

Looking at the solitaire he can not use blitz if he has been targeted by twilight's path. But he can be targeted by words of the phoenix make a blitz soulburst move and retain the 2D6 move bonus for his normal move. Assuming the average 2D6 is 7, you are looking at 38" worth of move plus a charge. This might be really good for hunting down long range units and keeping them from shooting. Most units will not be able to kill the solitaire and he can stall/whittle down the unit until they are dead.

Twilight path only says friendly harlequin unit, it does not say jetbike or infantry. So you can use it on a starweaver to move it up the board. Might be good a unit with fusion pistols to get in that 6" range.

>>53798196
Boohoo.
Try living in the South Pacific.

And we're still part of the commonwealth.

Thanks based chinesekids.

>>53798594
>Soulburst rules are still in
Fucking Kill me now. Such a fucking broken mechanic, it's not even fun. Who the hell thought it was a good idea

>>53798572
>when you need to crash your Blackstone fortress into a planet
>getting stabbed while wearing terminator armour by a wounded woman
>can't keep your generals on check

GW needs to make another villain, he is basically a walking meme and can't be taken serious even when he wins.

>>53798322
Got a well-painted daemon prince and hellbrute for $20. Currently painting up the hellbrute for my Thousand Sons.

>>53798268
Yeah but salamanders still visit their families.

>>53798619
>well-painted
Lemme see

>>53798607
It's retarded and also disincentivize running pure craftworld armies.

>>53798605
SA got stores killed by GW because they simply could not be ass to send the things request.

Oh the store asked for a mix of products.
Fuck that just send them two boxes of Ethereal and a box of LotR elephants

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Rate my list.

>>53798594
shadowseer and yvraine need to be on the ground to use their powers meaning you might want a unit for them to hide in. Harlequins are surprisingly durable in this edition. With the shadowseer subtracting 1 from the opponent's wound roll it is like they are toughness 5 getting a 4+ to wound for weapons <s5 and 3+ for weapons >s6. With a 4+ invul save in a edition full of ap, they are probably tougher than marines in most cases. But there is a trick you can do with a shadowseer and yvraine. The shadow see can twilight path and then Yvraine can words of the phoenix, allowing for three 8" moves. While this would probably be the last unit I would use those powers on, it can be nice to finish up a game. All of a sudden you have your harlequins 24" from where you started, taking an objective or cutting down the last of the resistance. It leaves your shadowseer and Yvraine out in the open but if it is the end of the game or the last game winning play, then it is not that bad. Shadowseer and Yvraine are both moderately tanky too, leaving them alone for a turn to catch up is not the worst in the world.

So what do you guys think?
What is our best fast unit to speed boost? Skyweavers, reaver jetbikes, shining spears or a solitaire? Maybe clawed fiends or hellions.
I think you need to make your core harlequins because just relying on words of the phoenix is too slow and sending just one unit at a time is kinda suicide

>>53798640
Fuckin' rad

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>>53798631
Prince. Haven't come up with a name for him yet.

>>53798632
There is very little reason to every not run Ynarri, unless you run harlies, and even then you have to really ask yourself why.The bit that bugs ,me the most about soulburst, is that it punishes you oppoenet for killing things, which is bad game design: every kill should feel good, but its just makes you feel crappy.

>>53798656
Blue horizon!

Since he is blue and is sideways! :D

>>53798656
>The Autiste Formerly Known As

>>53798656
I think he should be named Helpmapic Issideways

What about necrons in the new edition

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>>53797559
I got to play three games last night and I was extremely impressed with the performance of my helldrake. There was basically no point in any of the three games where it was not either engaged with the enemy or killed from my opponent spending a turns worth of shooting trying to kill it.

In game one against tryanids it killed a flying hive tyrant and turn one and then spent the next two turns flaming and assaulting monsterers before dying to a swarmlord. I seriously underestimated how much damage the swarmlord could do.

In game two and three against guard it proceeded to rip and tear its way through tanks. In game one it survived because my opponent conceded on turn three after realizing he could not win and in the next game spent a turn firing nearly everything he had at the helldrake. That loss of a turn of shooting ended up biting him in the ass though as my marine squads were now safely in rapid fire range and my maulerfiend had made it into melee. Side not I was also impressed with the maulerfiend.

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>>53798594
>only moving 32"

lol step aside kid...

>>53798640
I would keep your noise marines in cover rather than mechanised, they want to be constantly shooting rather than sitting in their taxi. You've also got no real good spots to put your sorceror and lord apart from maybe the raptors-consider trying to fit in some bikemarines or some such. DESU the HQs in this list don't match super-well with everything else.

>>53798711
Keep in mind that Rhinos make excellent screens against people who want to melee charge your noise marines.

>>53798640
Fluffy and cool

Approved

>>53798687
Theyre good but also very easy to play. Lots of cool special characters but they mostly just buff infantry. Not too many options for each unit. All your defenses are passive.

Its a newbie friendly army

Still have the retarded TOMB KINGS IN SPAAAACE fluff

>>53798505
Eradicator is better than you think. No cover plus -2 AP helps a lot.

Astropaths are great too, what are you on about? 18 Inches they make sure an enemy unit doesn't get cover and they have a cheap way to cast an armor buff on your Conscript blobs. 4+ Conscript armor and making sure enemy infantry don't get cover. That's huge. For 15 points!

>>53798689
Nice, thanks for the bat-rep. What armies were you playing against?

Best Tank Commander Russ?

Exterminator seems a lot more reliable than Battle Cannon even without S8 (which I will have piles of from overcharged Scions). Or perhaps Punisher, since it's more shots at the same effectiveness of the Exterminator (relative to the most common unit types).

should i build a 5 man scion and a command squad from my collecting box or a 10-man squad?
whats good things to put on the command squad if i take that?

>>53798670
I would argue that dark eldar benefit very little from Ynarri. Power from pain is really good and most dark eldar lists will find themselves being boats of heavy weapons, which don't benefit from Ynarri. Coven stuff is still really good and they can not be Ynarri.

Harlequins also make you consider if you want Ynarri as run + shoot and charge is very good. Those biks become 22" move which is pretty insane.

>>53797654
you don't pay for the nobz upgrade in the squads (so for example a 29 boyz+a naked nob is 180 points), if you aren't gonna put dakka unit inside a BW the ard case is better. A part from that good luck and have a fun game.

>>53798727
I'm well aware, but now that they're twice as expensive and just as unthreatening it means that thats 148 points of nothing. A competent enemy can multicharge, or use two squads, or various other tactics. Drop a havoc launcher and being some more spawn, or give your chosen some plasma pistols, or drop a few more points and bring another hellbrute, or upgrade your sorceror to a daemon prince, or several other options i feel would bring a lot more threat. Rhinos are good for troops that need to be on the move constantly, and amazing for close combat dudes, but for long-range squads its a waste of points that could be spent on the rest of the army.

>>53798775
Double Command Squad, Tempestor Prime with Command Rod, and Commissar. Bam, you've got a solid Vanguard Detachment that can ride around in their Taurox and spook things with overcharged plasma.

>>53798802
I'm not the guy who asked, I'm just someone who runs a bunch of rhinos with noise marines and they work out pretty good.

How do you guys feel about buying a ton of weak models, spend time and effort to convert and paint them only to have them serve as meatshields that die by the dozen? Like something you only field to tank a single charge so other units can retaliate?

It really doesn't sit well with me, but maybe I'm wrong. Is it more of a case of perspective? "Them dying increases my chance of winning/think about the whole army, not these units" kinda deal?

>>53798787
Humm this is true. you also cant have flesh-moulders in Ynarri can you? really is no reason to not do it for craftworld thoug, you are right

>>53798220
Thought you were talking about the time Curze fucked with Gigabyte's adoptive mother out of jealousy.

Unremembered Empire

>>53798815
It could make narrative games more interesting.

If you get attatched to the lives and concerns of these individual characters who are being sent to die in droves, you're getting a real sort of literary value out of a simple armyman game.

>>53798815
some people find it hilarious to send wave after wave of troops to die so that the important people may live

its the kind of british comedy that was originally meant by warhammer, so it is a matter of perspective

>>53798815
I love when I have guys survive after battles and I'm always a little sad when veterans die.

That's war I guess.

>>53798814
Have you tried it this edition? When they were chump change a rhino wall was worth spending on if you could field enough of them, but this edition i feel they're too expensive to waste on charge-baiting.

>>53798846
It would be cool to run a narrative campaign where casualties from previous battles carry over to subsequent ones.

>>53798805
that sounds ridiculous and a little hilarious
sadly, i already gave 5 of them helmets and regular guns

>>53798206
It's easier to have a fun wysiwyg game with.

You just pull out the models you like best and run them equipped as they look.

>>53798816
I would probably always make my craftworld eldar ynarri. To be fair they toned strength from death down, because you only get one activation when last edition you could get two activation off of one unit dying. You also can't soul burst knights anymore which is huge. I am not sure how eldar plays right now, scatter bikes are dead and warp spiders don't benefit that much. They are kinda in a weird place.

>>53798815
I play Khorne. Everyone dies. If a certain model does well I give it some special markings.

Are the Tyranid Hierophant Bio Titans rules up yet?

Are orcs basically immune to morale?

>>53798846
>>53798854
>>53798859
True enough. I just always gravitated towards elite armies because I want the money and effort spent to be represented by units that actually stay alive and do something. I always die a little inside when lucky rolls butcher a squad of elite units for example.

Even in armies that allowed horde units, I always go for the tougher elite units instead. Right now I'm considering fielding a buncha kroot of all types to serve as screens for my regular infantry and when I think about it, their purpose is to just straight-up die. I'll be spending money and time to do like 40+ models so they I can take them off the board by the handfuls.

>>53797890
I haven't seen anyone complaining about losing riptide wing.

>>53798862
lol you mad that you're wrong rhinos are amazing in 8th

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Having a hard time deciding please help. The Razorwing with dual disintegrator cannons looks very good, it also has necrotic/shatterfield missles that are very attractive. On the other hand the Void raven dual void lance looks less potent but that Void mine will wipe out big blobs of infantry, and it also has shatterfield missles.

What you guys think is the better pick? maybe two fighters and one raven is the right combo?

>>53798815
I find my fodder gloriously suicidal and look forward to building them.

Its fun to think of their more relatable backstory as a band of crazy humans.
Whereas the rest of the army are all heavily armored csm and vehicles.

>>53798243
No, she was the one who wanted Talos to escape Nostromo so she told him to do well in school and become a marine. Years later he comes home with the night lords for parade and his mother, probably senile, runs up to him crying because she hadn't seen him for years. Talos doesn't recognize her and continues parading. She get executed for interupting the parade.

>>53798905
No it's just harder to make them fold. You literally have to kill half of the original number of their squad to make them break. And they can't be near a bigger mob in order to break.

>>53798815
every time i lose a shitload of dudes in combat it makes me think of a vietnam documentary i watched where they talked about coming in to retrieve the bodies after an entire company got killed in an L-shaped ambush. They mentioned finding people who bled out in foxholes clutching photos of their kids or lovers, or their bible. The old dude telling the story actually started crying during the interview.

>>53798926
>92" move when advancing
jesus

>>53798929
I can't find that reasoning for Kroot though, sadly. Makes me wonder why the fuck do they still serve the Tau when they die in droves so the Tau don't have to?

>>53798893
Yours is superfluffy tho

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>>53798918
>post opinion
>ask about whether it's been trialled or you're theorycrafting
>lol u mad brah
Almost forgot where i was for a second

>>53797606
If youre not good enough at modeling that cleaning up a chinese hell turkey is intimadating you arent the type who can order large stuff from china and get away with it.

Save for plastic, or learn to fill and boil better and just do it.

Do people think sisters squads of 6 with a flamer and a heavy flamer in an immolator are still going to work in 8E?

Reading the leaks, it seems wolf lords (not in thunderwolves mind you) cant take items from the space wolves weapons list such as frost axes and swords. Is this acurate? i mean, it seems wrong. Lazy writing? probably errata?

>>53798992
shitsters of basshole used to work at some point?

>just use the morale phase against hordes
>Nids ignore it
>Ig only takes one loss from it
>Orks have 30 leadership

???

How are plague drones now? I just got back in recently and I love the things but I can't judge units well worth a shit.

>>53798656
>Fuzzy
Seriously, give that thing a dusting.

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>>53798572
>Not posting the proper version

How do space wolves and blood angels compare in terms of being "the" assault based marine chapter?

Like slaanesh being faster but squisher and khorne being stronger and more durable

>>53799007
>Kroot have to get the shaper to kill something in CC
>at S3 AP0
>They can use his Ld with 6" but at 7 and the rate kroot die, might as well not even be there

>>53798909
Think about their Kroot wives and families back home. They're only mercenaries to put food on the table.

If they die they'll never get to backrub-fuck their ladies again

>>53798997
I'm sure they'll errata it.
Considering a Primaris in Gravius armor can be a wolf lord, would be cool if we can give him a Frost Axe.

So And They Shall Know no Fear now makes you re-roll "failed" leadership rolls. Does that mean if you lose 8 dudes and roll a 1 for morale, you still have to re-roll it because it technically failed?

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So are fiends of slannesh actually good?
I ask this on account that they look like they're horrible but they move really fast and are rather durable. They seem to suffer from being really over costed.

On a side note pic related they should have made rend a slannesh rule for weapons, the snapping claws show this is what they had in mind,

>>53798760
Eradicator has less power and half the range of the Battle Cannon (which is already average) for the ability to ignore a situational +1 bonus. Whatever that is it's worse than the Battle Cannon.

Astropaths are worse Primaris Psykers Thayer only know one power and can't get smite off reliably. On top of that they're Elites, which is a highly competitive force org slot in the Guard. They're not shit, but they're definitely not good.

>>53798997
Yeah, this one I can see being errata'd.

>>53799065
learn to read, dumbass

Since when does 'can' equate to 'must'

>>53799061
>>53799077

Still, how in the hell did they not notice it?... let us hope they do...

>>53798899
Bumpin

>>53799007
kill commissars
kill synapse creatures
orc leadership gets worse as they take more losses, focus fire units

git gud

>>53799070
>They're not shit, but they're definitely not good.
Wrong again fatty. They are great and your idea of what is good is shit. Learn to play. Kill yourself first.

>>53799067
Fiends of slaanesh have the key ability of preventing your enemy from falling back. That's pretty huge against a lot of armies.

Also mportant, you can't possibly fail to summon one if you roll two dice.

>>53799097
>>53798899
Yes, they leaked. But because of your impatient bumping I'm not going to post them for 3 hours.

>>53798433
>>53798533
Starcannons and Doomweavers are so much better.

>>53799085
When I play against LSM of course. ;^)

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>>53798764
I brought pic related, all three games were played at 1000 points. The Tryranid player brought a flying hive tyrant, a swarmlord, two units of three warriors, and two units of 20 gargoyles. The guard player brought a commander, two commissars, a company command squard, two ten man infantry squads, five scions, two lemun russes with battlecannons, a manticore, and two sentinels with lascannons.

I also should point out that before these games none of us had played 8th edition yet.

>>53798594
Twilight has a 3" range. It will never reach the target it wants to double-move.

>>53798770
Tank Commander is inevitably a target, so you want to backline it. This in turn means you need range. Can't use the Executioner without a reroll ability (and he can't order himself) so I'd say Battle Cannon. Its the only long range Russ gun that's not garbage.

Exterminator is more consistent than the Battle Cannon but on average it will underperform it. Battle cannon shot roll has a 50% chance to match or exceed the exterminator and every one of those shots is better in every way than an autocannon shot.

Furthermore if you want vehicle borne autocannon power grab a Hydra. Units with FLY are extremely common in this edition and the hydra is heavy 8 autocannon statline that hits on 3s. It hits on 5s vs everything else but it shoots 8 times so that's not necessarily bad.

>>53799105
>Focus fire a unit of Boyz. Take it from 30 to 10 models
>Still leadership thirty because another unit of Boyz is right next to it.

Orcs completely ignore the morale phase.

>>53799000
Yes.
They where the top mid, the sheer amount of flamers and melta they could put at 1850 made salamanders jelly.

That problem was that Tau and Eldar where their own categories of broken. While marines could simply put more shit than SoB due to bullshit formation.

SoB made everyone else shit their pants.

>>53798992
Squad of 5 with all flamers in immolator with more flamer is still good, not impressive but good.

They didn't change much from 7th.

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>>53799007
>"Flamers got buffed and are OP at wrecking charges now"
>flamer has 8" range
>overwatch doesn't ignore range and is resolved before charging models are moved
>nids, orks, daemons and khorne marines have ways to pass 8.01" charges more than half the time
>and there's command re-rolls for the others
Flamers so buffed.

>>53799107
>I disagree and will provide no basis for this option other than childish insults

All you need is a cheetah to complete that shitpost.

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>>53799127
Awwww, why are you so cruel anon?

>>53798738
This reminds me of how they used to be in Dark Crusade

>Spam necron warriors
>Maybe some immortals
>???
>Win

>>53799174

Sounds good, for me it's kind of become part of their character to have lots of small squads in immolators rather than rhinos.

>>53799179
Flamers being standardized to 10 inches would solve a lot of issues. I'm surprised they didn't find this in their countless hours of playtesting.

>>53798369
DE had ungodly amounts of shooting and the Tau force had little cover. It was also -1 to hit against half the DE vehicles, which dropped the Tau down to Ork BS. Tau are still good against things like SM and IG, Nids too, but that was probably the worst matchup possible. Ben needs to bring Hammerheads rather than the Stormsurge, and use Fire Warriors instead of Breachers. Range is the only major advantage Tau will have now.

>>53798738
i love the space pharoahs and your dude potential of newcrons more than the old oldcrons, and i can still make them act like oldcrons

>>53799223
Yeah, except now they're not hideously overpowered.

>can break the unit cap without even trying
>deep strike entire armies
>headquarters can float around nuking things and also can teleport

This is why i laugh at people who say dark crusade was good.

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So what's the best way to run Bezerkers? Full squads in Rhinos, maybe some apostates present? Or just raging their way up the field on foot?

>>53799252
They didn't play test.

People found abusive shit within seconds of playing. Hell the Ork players that made a list on the spot notice how easy it was to abuse the moral, 6++ and 6+ FnP like rules.

It almost feel they only tested Eldar, marines and Tau,

>>53799252
You make it sound like flamers not being able to fire out of DS is an oversight.

>>53799252
>10 inches
Hell nah man, as genuinely Killy as flamers are being able to fire them out of deep strike is waaaay to much. 8" is good, and the 12" on special ones works out okay

do flyers still get -1 to hit when shooting heavy weapons and moving? seems like an oversight if they have to move

>>53799305
Flamers aren't killy though. They hit an average of 3.5 enemies with low str low ap shots.

>>53798284
Boys cant take big choppas.