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>mfw marvelfags got hit twice

How will marvelfags recover? How does it feel to have to scurry to sell your worthless deck to people who don't want anything to do with it?

So what replaces uncaged fury in pummeler decks when it rotates out?

>>53792508
Is Frontier going to become the home for banned Standard decks?

For everyone who thought wizards had any fucking clue how to make their game, I think 5 banned cards in standard says it all.

>>53793665
Only copter and cat needed bans

You're bad if you disagree

There's some dumb part of me that wants to find a way to use Zulaport and cat tokens just so I can say I'm playing BW Aristocats

>>53792241
Is there a place where comprehensive deck matchup spreads are shown? The data is obviously being mined as demonstrated by mtg goldfish and mtgtop8, but I just can't seem to find anything beyond which decks are being played more.

>>53794005
Emrakul was fucking dumb, and Marvel with Emrakul would be even more busted.

I agree that Marvel and especially Reflector Mage didn't need bans.

>>53794121
I just want cat tribal to be good, we need a 3 drop white cat that is a threat and we will be good to go honestly.

Does banning Marvel allow for Emrakul to come back, or is Emrakul busted on its own?

>>53794414
Emrakul was fine because even with the cost reduction from Delirium decks she would still cost around 8-9 mana. Cheating in Emrakul with Marvel on turn 4 was not. Marvel should have been hit from day one, not Em.

How many more times does it need to be said that Marvel was the problem? A card that constantly churns out value who's only limitation is on how big the bombs are in the deck? A card that forces the opponent to do nothing but sit there and hope you whiff because nobody can play around all the possible threats, not to mention that Marvel can be activated AT INSTANT SPEED, essentially blanking any and all artifact removals. Ramp/Delirium decks Em turn 8/9+ is fine. Marvel casting Em (Emphasis on cast) is not.

>>53794517
Post cat deck

>>53794517
reprint brimaz

Could use suggestions on my Black/Red Control deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/14-06-17-black-red-control/

The main deck feels pretty good to me (yes even the foxes), but am open to suggestion. Sideboard feels more iffy, the Siphoners and Transgress feel locked in, but the rest is up for grabs.

Should I build mono black zombies or RG Pummeler?

>>53794990
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/14-06-17-black-red-control/
>control
>no gearhulks

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what budget garbage can i cheat out in modern? i had 3 marvels sitting in my trade binder but just want to brew with them now as they're tanking...

>>53795190
You rather I call it midrange?

>>53795285
well considering you're not even in blue...

>>53795212
Cruel Ultimatum is some inexpensive jank.
Or you could try to optimize the mtg goldfish infinite marvel spins deck.

>>53795315
Don't need blue to be control.

See: Mono Black control, R/W control (sometimes referred to as R/W prison)

>>53795189
Pummeler.

>>53795189
2nding the vote for pummeler

Can event decks come back lads?

I used to buy event decks and then upgrade them with 50 bucks. Maybe they'll come back better... I-I hope?

>>53795397
>>53795432
Thanks, I have more pieces for zombies but it looks like a lot of them are gonna rotate out in the fall.

>>53795372
you've got glorybringers in your sideboard. put them main. don't resist it, just go aggressive, those colors can do that really well now.

>>53795450
>>53795432
>>53795397
Also, how do I go about learning to make decks. It seems a daunting task.

>>53795443
Pretty sure event decks and intro decks got replaced with the planeswalker decks. Regardless a lot of those event decks cost less to build from singles than to buy whole. Better off building your whole deck from scratch.

>>53795466
Pick a strategy, make up a list of cards that follow that strategy. Fuss with the curve. Proxy it up and test with friends.

>>53792508
They don't have to sell shit. Temur energy, a very similar list, is meta playable. They just shift from control-ish to midrange-ish.

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About to wind up with a bit of extra dosh and wondering whether I should tweak this super budgety deck or buy into a new deck altogether. What would you crazy kids add to this deck now that I can add some cards that are actually good to it?

>>53793395
That implies frontier is still around.

>>53795700
well for starters, make it BW at least. access to way more efficient and valuable tools. even with two colors you can throw some westvale abbeys in the mix. also maybe some heralds of anguish?

>>53794990
Can you explain the foxes
And what's your plan against b/r control?

I'm trying to build a ramp deck with ulamogs. Can anyone give me an idea, what the framework should look like?

>>53796387
Temur energy with some kozilek's return

>>53796843
Thanks. Is bounty of the Luxa considered a bad card? I also thought about including Weaver of Currents, Amonkhet Nissa and Void Winnower

>>53796879
I personally think it's great to have it on the board, but it doesn't impact the board at all when you drop it and it's rare that you can drop whatever you want on turn 4. It would help a ton if there were manadorks in standard to help you drop it on turn 3.

>>53796994
wouldn't Servant of the Conduit, Channeler Initiate, Druid of the Cowl, Naga Vitalist or Ulvenwald Captive help with that?

>>53797038
Yeah but 2-mana managuys are kinda underwhelming for the rest

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/14-06-17-EAq-temur-ramp/

Any tips?

Are there any sites that archive ranks for Magic players by tournament/state/year or anything? Specifically wanna see who was number 1 in my state for standard during Zendikar

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>Marvel got banned while Emrakul didn't get unbanned
Why

>>53794758

Oh man hes just so goooood, won me so many vintage cubes on MTGO

>>53794541

I think Emrakul could have been a very good and very balanced card if the "Control of Turn" was an ETB effect AND/OR protection from instants was Indestructible. There could have also been some actual graveyard hate that would slow it down. Emrakul was just too good for the environment because there were no good clean answers, and it enable midrange decks to dominate control decks.

>>53799716
There's a colourless graveyard hate in Amonkhet and yet my baby still didn't get unbanned

>>53798358
Try wayback machine

>>53799211
are you a goddamn retard?

>>53796102
Foxes just do a bit of everything. Against aggro they gain me a bit of life and either trade with a dude or chump to gain me more life and a card. Against control, they never want to counter or waste removal on them so they chip in damage until they are removed and draw a card. They help offset the live fast since I have no other lifegain and in some matches are flashing it back with dark-dwellers. There have been times I needed the life and Liliana resdurrects the fox. Fox is also 2 card types towards delirium for to the slaughter, which while rarely relevant is still a thing.

They are just all around a solid card, that while not game breaking fills a hole.

Against U/R control game 1 is fairly poor if you draw too much removal, but the plan is to draw cards with live fast and run them out of counters with threats they have to handle. If a Chandra, Ob or Dark-Dwellers lands youhopefully pull ahead in cards. Game 1 isn't great, but g2/3 you take out pushes, Lightnings, suns, for siphoners, transgress, glorybringers and they normally don't have enough to counter every turn when your dead cards are gone.

>>53796879
>bounty of the Luxa
It's great in limited and EDH, but not that good in standard. I'd rather have a straight-up ramp stick or a straight-up draw stick instead of the card.

>>53794005
You are bad if you think a t4 combo that can be disassembled t3 was a problem, you standardshitter

>>53799211
do you want B/G to run the game at the same level marvel did?

since marvel is dead post control lists

Is RG Energy my cheapest good option to get into standard with?

>>53804330
By rg energy do you mean pummeler?

>>53804605
Yeah.

>>53803144
>Bounty of the Luxa
Don't think you can dump your garbage on EDH boy.
If you could add/remove multiple counters to get the benefit, sure, but as it stands it's garbage in everything but Limited.

>>53804618
Oh, nice. Yea anon it's fucking dope.

>>53794990
Ayy repping the rakdos
I too play these colors but aggro. I say u should use those glorybringers cause they win games.
Check out my deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/haste-with-burn/
Suggestions would be appreciated, recently i took out 2 aether hubs.

Also any suggestions for making a new deck? Im thinking either RG pummeler cause I used to have an energy deck, or monoblack zombies, maybe even WB zombies. I dont really know how i would go about making one though. My budget is like 100

>>53804209
4 Color Control

Instant - 24
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4x Censor
3x Essence Scatter
1x Negate
2x Disallow
3x Glimmer of Genius
2x Pull from Tomorrow
2x Unlicensed Disintegration
4x Fatal Push
3x Harnessed Lightning

Enchantment - 2
-------
2x Cast Out

Sorcery - 4
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2x Sweltering Suns
1x Fumigate
1x Yahenni's Expertise

Creatures - 6
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3x Glorybringer
3x Torrential Gearhulk

Lands - 24
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3x Spirebluff Canal
3x Fetid Pool
3x Canyon Slough
4x Aether Hub
4x Irrigated Farmland
3x Concealed Courtyard
1x Plains
1x Mountain
1x Swamp
1x Island

Sideboard - 15
-------
2x Negate
1x Kefnet, The Mindful
1x Glyph Keeper
2x Gideon's Intervention
1x Unlicensed Disintigration
2x Cast Out
1x Watchers of the Dead
2x Renewed Faith
2x Forsake the Worldly
1x Consulate Crackdown

Thoughts? Considering dropping a Push and a dragon for 2 of the 3drop gideons to help manage the board and start a slightly earlier clock. any other ideas greatly appreciated, I've been building and testing for a few weeks now and I think i'm close.

>>53805135
standard is DED I guess

>>53807621
>>53805135
Im pretty new to deck building.
4 colour control looks cool. But I feel like without ramp or fetch you're gonna have a lot of cards dead in your hands a lot of the time.

>>53793093

In a year and a half from now? Who knows?

>>53804184

It wouldn't.

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>>53793093
Do you prefer uncaged fury over larger than life? Why or why not?

Is Black Zombies fun?

>>53804209
Some guy at my LGS runs a mono blue list. Don't have a decklist for you though. I can tell you that it is good.

>>53812167

It'd have to be engulf the shore/gearhulk with tons of counterspells. Drake haven is too low tier.

Tfw still playing Mardu vehicles

>>53811932
To add to that, is it worth building with Innistrad rotating relatively soon?

>>53812321
Why is it not called "Cardu"

>>53812357
>Is it fun?
Of course, you win most your games and get to use cryptbreaker who is always fun.
>worth building with SOI rotating?
Absolutely not UNLESS you are wanting to use it competitively so you can make your money back then think you can also drop the deck quick.

>>53804787
Pummeler is probably cheaper than zombies and more future proof since the expensive zombies are rotating soon.

Your deck seems to have a lot of 1 ofs. Try to see which of the cards fits the strategy better and stick with that. For creature suggestions siphoned is very good for me, but I have live fast, harnessed lightning and Aether hubs that make him pretty much a draw every turn, so your mileage may vary.

>>53805135
Are all 4 colors really necessary?
In my legs everything but BG gets boardwiped by Sweltering suns, and what's left over can be hit by harnessed lightning. I feel like the consistency of 2 colors can't be overstated. If you did need to branch out, why not just add white, you don't seem overly committed on black cards besides fatal push.

>>53811716
I run two Largers and one Uncaged, dropped the harnessed down to two. Larger is nice pummeler fuel but Uncaged is both a combat trick and a damage boost; pop an Uncaged on the brawler and you have ten damage out of nowhere, pop it on cub and you get twice the energy.

>>53795700
>>53795772

Don't listen to this scrub anon, just stick to what Dev told you to build ;)

>>53812375
Because all deck names are passed down to us peasants on stone tablets from the WotC creative department on the mount.

>>53811716
I run a playset of uncaged fury and 2 larger than life

>>53792241
Wait shit did another card get banned.

>>53815621
Ah marvel. Neat.
I don't see why they did not go with pair bannings though (not for marvel of course. That card just needed a straight ban)

>>53812375
Fuck that's perfect.

>>53815651
>That card just needed a straight ban
No it didn't. It's not hard to play around.

>>53812167
>>53812230
I've played against at least two monoblue decks recently, one that ran engluf the shore and a bunch of mill and loot stuff (which was awful) and one that was gearhulks + jace (which was also pretty meh)

still no idea what those lists are but they seem not good.

>>53812875
my LGS is pretty damn competitive, I think there's one other person besides me who is regularly there who doesn't just build on-meta decks but still tries hard.

as a result pretty much every deck I see can have dudes that survive sweltering suns when I'd really want to use it, which is why I like the destroy effects (and why I have yahenni's expertise desu, it may be 2 cards but turn 4 doing effectively 6 damage to the whole board really startles some people who thought that because they got a pumeller and a hydra to resolve or something they are going to ez win. it isn't even that good a combo but it leads to scoops like none other), OR is a very tuned UR control list.

>>53793395

I thought it was the home for shops with too much khans lying around

RDW or Pummeler bandwagon?

>>53819558
there's a neat red/black deck I've seen people at my shop running with bomat couriers, bloodrage brawlers, and alms of the vein, unlicensed disintegration, and a few other low creatures. seems to get under a lot of decks

>>53819608
I think I saw a variant of that with flameblades. Sort of a pseudo hell-bent deck?
I'm tempted to run it just to run that Gravecrawler Jackal

>>53819743
yeah I think at least one has flameblade in the list. for something super spicy you can also put bone picker in, since he'll be a one drop most of the time (either through sacing bomat courrier, or from the grind of the game normally)

>>53820096
Sounds fun. Maybe I'll give that a shot. Always preferred Rakdos to Gruul

>>53817305

>Just play around t4 ullamog lul

>>53820638
>it is literally impossible to hold mana and cast a counterspell on marvel

>>53820638
>not winning turn 3 with pummeler and voltaic brawler

>>53820753

>Just counter it

>Just ward his jungle

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>>53820096
Wondering what I'd drop for bonepicker here. And yes, this is pulled basically straight from goldfish because I need to relearn to deckbuild

I happen to live in Vegas. Is there a point to dropping by the convention center to spectate the grand prix games?

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Is that a fucking lightning bolt?

>>53820850
I'd drop the Ravenous bloodseekers

>>53821456
Think there's enough discard without them?

>>53821488
Heir of Falkenrath and Stromkirk condemned work better

>>53820850
Hazoret is a good finisher no doubt but I would go down to 3 of her and maybe 1 bloodseeker for them. then again I just remember the guy had them in one game and I thought it was a solid idea to get more value out of the deck and keep your hand size low.

>>53820966
You can probably show up and play in side events.

Is grixis control viable? I really think the new bolas is on the same level as karn, just the fact that he's a 3 color 7 drop makes him pretty hard to cast

>>53821552
Hrm. Heir might be fun in place of Bone Picker til it rotates out

Are WotC going to upload the history of draft games onto YouTube?

Are glorybringers not used in monored? I just wanna throw dragons at my problems.

>>53820753
Haha yeah that is so dumb why did none of those professional magic players think of that

>>53822501
>standard
>monored

>>53823001
considering that marvel had bad matchups against multiple midrange decks that ran counterspells, it seems they did! not to mention the midrange and aggressive decks that go in under marvel, or that had sideboard options like manglehorn to stall marvel long enough for removal to work.

if marvel is the best and most common deck, tech against it or flat out build an anti-deck. it really is not that outrageous of a suggestion and its generally assumed that is how magic will play out. you're not entitled to your particular favorite way of winning being strong or even viable, nor are you entitled to your deck having fair matchups every game. why play if you don't accept that decks are different and you have to plan against what your opponent will do?

>>53823175
See this is is a better response, your earlier post was just retarded
I think that one of the big problems with Marvel is that while it was about 40% of the metagame, any deck that was specifically good against Marvel was bad against the other 60%.

And of course that Marvel decks were still really good without Marvel

>>53821961
Optimally in Grixis you won't be tapping out for something that doesn't effectively end the game. As a 1 of he's fine, but I don't know if I'd ever be excited about him. By the time he comes down the opponent optimally wont have much in their hand, so his pseudo mind rot isnt great. In terms of cascading your opponent, your odds of hitting something worth your time are probably fairly low. He is one of those planeswalkers that wants to come down, kill a creature, and then try and just tick up to ultimate; not exactly what control really wants. You want consistent value, like an Ob Nixilis.

>>53823219
The main problem with Marvel was that no-one was showing up to standard fnms.

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>>53821363
>Bolt could return to standard
dear god, no.

>>53823486
I'll continue not to show up until rotation.

>>53792241
There don't seem to be zombies on Ixalan.
So what will be the best deck to invest in for post-rotation? WR Aggro?

>>53823486
I built a marvel deck
The highest CMC was fumigate
The deck worked by flickering aethergeode miner infinite times after I got 2 decoction modules out, and then slipping ninth bridge or crackdown through space.
Aethergeode Miner is a very sticky piece of combo. He fed the marvel, the marvel fed him. It was a fun deck.
Time to get panharmonicons

>>53825310
>There don't seem to be zombies on Ixalan
The cards aren't even revealed yet.

>>53825383
except that whole massive chunk that was.

>>53825415
22 blurry cards out of 279 cards in the expansion is not a lot.

>>53814641
Dev pls

>>53825449
A representative sample. Clearly Zombies aren't gonna be a large focus. And they are losing way more then half of the viable zombie cards. That is unless HoD doesn't bring in a lot of zombies. Hell maybe we get some WB Zombie 8 drops makes a 2/2 for each card in each graveyard

>>53823031
Why not?

>>53824140
It's almost certainly an invocation or a lightning strike at best, so standard is safe from being good once again.

>>53825310
you shouldn't invest in anything Eldritch moon or earlier anyways, just build energy because they aren't printing any counters to it or whatever Hour makes good.

So what do you all envision a perfect standard to be? Personally i'd like a slow control meta, and viable gimmicks.

>>53826063

Any format that isn't the Battlecruiser shit we see today.

>>53826063
tempo midrange.
If midrange is pretty good then aggro and control both have a chance because the game isn't as fast.
slow control meta is boring because that's all you can play and not everyone wants 30 minute games.

>>53825449
No zombies in sight, orcs seemingly being the B tribe and a new Rest in Peace is enough to tell me Zombies will not be a viable archetype in Kaladesh-Ixalan Standard.

>>53826063
Original Ravnica+Kamigawa.
The best deck was midrange zoo, and it was surrounded by everything from wacky combos to one of the most autistic draw go decks ever because every color has ways to deal with creatures.

Now that creatures are all spells and walkers creep into every midrange list, we'll never have a format like that again.

Returning player here - Exert seems like a fun mechanic. Are there any cheap-ish decks that can hold their own in FNM that capitalize on it?

>>53814641
Are this dude's decks actually any good? I can never tell whether youtube shitters are worth watching.

>>53795189
Pummeler is fun and more 'rotation resistant' than zombos

>>53795212
I just made an 8 whack gobos, it's p fun

>>53828034
W/R exert is pretty strong. Most expensive card you have to play is always watching and glory bringer which are both like $4
Maybe multi lands too if you want them that bad.

>>53829084
Sounds fun. Guessing splashing green for Ahn-Crop Champ isn't worth doing?

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>looking to get an Avacyn Purifier mat
>the one made by ultra pro is out of stock
>while browsing find one on etsy for 15 bucks
>get it not expecting much, but if it's good, cool.
>arrives just a bit blurry, should have expected as much for 15 dollars
>think to get a custom playmat of it
>highest res is 2560x1600
>inked playmats recommends 3675 x 2175
>don't know what res the seller previously used, but I know it was from the wallpaper site given the watermark placements and everything being there
Anyone ever used mtg's official wallpapers for playmats? Or otherwise found really high res images for them?

>>53823486
Standard attendance was dogshit before PT Amonkhet. Wizards fucked up the last two years

>>53826063
I started with Theros, but I really liked that environment, both RTR-THS and THS-KTK. There were so many decks in both of those formats that I'm a bit sad I missed. People memed up the Rhino all the time but IIRC there were at least 5 different decks you could expect to top whatever major tournaments popped up.
>Esper Dragons
>Atarka Red
>Heroic
>Various flavors of Abzan
>Jeskai
That said, BFZ ruined it with the fetchable duals and everything blurred into 4C goodstuff.

>>53825383
>>53825449
We know all the rares. Zero zombies, vampires is the WB tribe. Orcs, Sirens and Humans are in Grixis.
It looks like the post-rotation meta will be Naya Aggro vs Grixis Midrange unless something in HOD really upsets this.

The real question is whether HoD will get enough minotaurs to support a mino tribal deck, Neheb is really cool

Looking through the MtGGoldfish budget decks. Is that Deep Bant deck worthwhile to build with Deep-Fiend and Tamiyo leaving soon and Marvel banned?

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HAHAHHA THE MADMEN ACTUALLY DID IT

>>53831888
whats your local level of competitiveness like

>>53832092
>>53829656
>>53828446
YESYESYES

>>53832103
Unsure, I'm starting back up and trying to find the deck to do so with. It's a college town though, not sure if that's indicative of being more or less competitive

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We predicted this WAY back in Kaladesh when Nicol Bolas was announced in Amonkhet. I'm proud of you guys.

FUCK YOU JACE, SEE YOU IN IXALAN.

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Oh boy.

>>53832250
Exile target attacking or blocking white creature. If it was a Gideon Planeswalker, gain 5 life.

Already translated.

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>>53832270
Forgot the picture.
Destroy target forest, green enchantment, or green planeswalker. If the permanent destroyed this way is a Nissa Planeswalker, draw 1 card.

>>53832131
just go there and watch a tournament/hang out before buying anything