MTG: Legacy General

>>53778460
here's a writeup someone did of coming in 17th with it at a paper tournament. https://thesaltminesite.com/2017/06/13/miracles-gone-wild-my-first-topless-tournament-experience/
It continues to place well online. It's definitely weaker to combo than it used to be though.

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>>53778460

I just fucking love that Portent is finally seeing some play. I loved that card back in Ice Age.

Why does no one use IGG in storm anymore?

>>53778649

Ice Age was awesome, when I got back into magic last year I bought a complete set...then looked up Cold Snap, did not love it.

>>53779947
Because past in flames does the same thing better without giving your opponent cards back.

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>cuck I'm facing is playing dredge

>>53779977
I've been playing around with a circa-2010 doomsday list with silences and the iggy loop and not only is it a ton of fun but I'm suprised by how I don't feel crippled by not playing PiF.

>>53779947
Anytime i would want to use IGG i just use Ad Nauseam and won.

>>53781038
Iggy loop is a deterministic kill and ad naus is not. Ad Nauseam shouldn't even be played in the main deck of ANT.

>>53781223
Ad nauseam shouldn't even be played in ad nauseam tendrils? Well shit, we have all been doing things wrong. Listen to this guy instead.

Joking aside, anyone got any ideas for juicy cards to build around?

>>53784390
Build a draw7 storm deck with slither muse and diminishing returns

>>53780919
List?

>>53781223
I never said i played ANT you fucker. i play tes cuz is like a thousand times better.

>>53792152
I play dredge since its the......the....(vomits) best led deck in the format

>>53792152
go to sleep bryant

>>53792152
I'm convinced you're retarded.

So tonight I played some legacy rounds with Pox!!! and had a good time.

>>53789869
Something like this: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/old-school-doomsday/

What does Aluren need to be a contender again in the current meta? Love the deck, but it seems kind of clunky...

>>53796422
Be able to combo faster when racing other combo decks

>>53778649
Always nice when an old card finds a new home and we get to enjoy some of the free-er art choices. No Jace, forced story-event depiction with snarky flavour text, or digital painting.

>>53796450
Not easy when your haymaker costs 4.

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Mono green snake stompy gets a new tool

>>53797482
Seems good as a 1 of in GSZ decks that are running wasteland

>>53778555
>It continues to place well online
No, it doesn't.

>>53797482
>Magus of the Crucible

>>53797736
It's got the 2nd highest share of 5-0 leagues on MTGO

>>53797763
Because everyone's still playing it due to having the pieces and not enough money to switch over to other decks. The deck itself isn't that great.

>>53797778
So you agree it is placing well, but that it isn't great despite this?

>>53797791
It's placing well because there's so many people playing it that it's bound to place well. Quantity over quality.

>>53797819
So when you said
>No, it doesn't.
you meant
>Yes, it does
common mistake, don't worry

>>53797778
The deck itself continues to put up results. Many 5-0s, 2 in the top 16 of the last mtgo legacy challenge. A handful of reasonably sized Paper top 8s. I don't know what you'd need to show that the deck is viable and probably t1.5

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>>53797819
I'm sure grixis delver is only placing well because of how many people are playing it, not because it's any good.

>>53797833
Sorry I often mistake "decks placing well" with "decks being good" because I personally think that decks winning by swarming the field aren't actually that good.

>>53797886
But how do you know how many people play the deck? Can you prove that the deck is swarming the field? Are grixis delver and storm also weak decks that are merely swarming the field?

HEY! That Doomsday guy who was moping about the Top ban, there's a spicy new list by Albert Haung using Three Wishes and Act on Impulse! It's at the bottom of the article:

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/this-week-in-legacy-may-statistics-more-gp-vegas-prep-and-an-interview-with-the-australian-legacy-champ

As for me, I'm thinking about shelving Reanimator for a bit because my LGS was swarmed with various flavors of Delver/Shaman (and I'm just not very good at drawing the pieces I need when I need to). What are some good decks that prey on Delver? I'm thinking either Pox, Nic Fit, or something with Blood Moon (although I don't have a playset of Magus of the Moon yet, I was hoping it'd go down in price).

>>53798210
Thanks, I'm well aware of his list. It's based off all the discussion from the storm boards. I've played many matches with earlier iterations of this kind of list. I do like that he cut the baubles a lot of people are still playing. I've been moving in that direction too. I probably should just put in the reps with a somewhat-proven list like this to get a better feel for it but they still feel really clunky to me without top so I've been staying away from 4c wish lists and aiming at faster 2-3c lists without wish since they feel more streamlined. My biggest issue right now is that I tilt HARD and so when the deck clunks around I get frustrated and end up going off the deep end and playing list like that DDFT2k10 list I posted a ways back instead of sticking with something to learn it properly.

>>53798210
Anything with pfire tends to dumpster delver, primarily lands but also 4c loam or even jund. Also pox probably is the best of those decks you mentioned against delver

>>53798210
Pox definitely brutalizes delver, but it might struggle against other random crap.

>>53792536
If you think that ant is better than tes, he is not the only retard here.

>>53797886
I think that there are enough people playing online that the variance produced by people playing decks for reasons other than power level (it's the only deck they own, it's their pet deck, etc) are small enough to not impact deck tier lists that much. Therefore, deck popularity and placings are almost always closely related to deck tier/power

>>53798613
I don't understand how you've reached the conclusion that I think ANT is better than TES but I suggest you reread the relevant comments and do some personal reflection and maybe get an MRI before commenting again.

>>53798662
>Why people don't play Iggy pop
>Ad nauseum is better
>No it's not in ant
>I don't play ant. I play tes which is a better ad nauseum deck
>You are a retard
Wewew
Now you can say that tes is not a better ad nauseum deck. But it is for is much smaller CMC curve and the chrome Mox/diamond package that normally runs over ant. But again then the retard is still you.

>>53798735
>>53798735
TES is definitely the better Ad Nauseam deck since it is built to use it. But if you are playing mox diamond in your TES list you are in fact retarded. Also you are retarded because you speak like a savage and think TES is overall a better deck than ANT.

>>53798784
Why wouldn't you just play chrome mox like a sane human being, right........ most people here are not human

>>53798784
But it is.

>>53798933
Why?

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>>53798784
>>53798662
I wouldn't say TES is better than ANT, they are just better at different things. As noted, TES is the better Ad Nauseum deck while ANT is the better past in flames deck. TES also feels better against D&T due to its speed while ANT has felt better against delver variants to me. basically: TES = Speed, ANT = Reliability. In my opinion its wrong to say one is better than the other, they both can be great choices depending on the decks you are going to face. For instance my meta is infested with D&T and Burn which places a premium on speed making TES the better choice of the two.

>>53798981
Sure, there is an argument to be made for metagaming, but if I was going in blind or into a typical meta I would take ant every time. It's consistency is just more powerful than anything tes can do, and that's why ant has significantly more 5-0s and top 8s than any other storm variant

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Guys, totally unrelated but... do you guys have news of galvanicAutogenitor?
I've been testing quite a lot, some questions arised and I wanted the help of our judge...
Is he/she on holiday? dead?

>>53799870
Haven't seen an AAJ thread in many moons but you can probably get your question answered here.

Does anyone here stream? What do you use?

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>That feel when you're thinking about trying to make Mono Green control

That Naga that can play cards from the graveyard seems pretty fantastic, and it's tutor-able with Worldly Tutor. With one of the "play an extra land" enchantments, crop rotations, you could probably start Wastelanding every turn to beat up nonbasic mana base. That Nissa Planeswalker from Kaledesh was pretty serviceable too (I've seen her pop up in Elves decks).

>>53802445
I toyed with it once in twitch.
Download OBS and create a twitch account.It's reaaaally easy to do. You can start streaming in a few minutes without any prior experience (at least I could).

Google "twitch OBS", first result. (4chan believes any link with twitch in the address is spam )

>>53797482
> cleric

> naga
> not snek

>>53805749
>2017
>not knowing that naga are serpent deities from Hindu mythology
I know it's not a snek but it's the best snake stompy can get

>>53780385
i much prefer faerie macabre but live your dream

>>53808292
Leyline of the Void is the best grave hate senpai. Just fuck em right up.

>>53808292
>>53809642
Was about to to say, combos with Helm and is turn 0 gy hate.

once again this is the coziest general, when it can stay bumped. /edhg/ is infested with namefags.

Turn 1 Master of the Feast is cool. Dark Ritual is cool.

>>53812093
Literally this. Can I hang out with you guys and talk about silly jank interactions, just until the storm blows over?

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Why is he so perfect?

>>53778460
>pay to win general
How are those Forces of will going, guys?

>>53812465

Shit, I need to get that for my colorless EDZ deck.

>>53812508
More like Pay to Play

>>53799870
he dies for a few months every now and then before our collective confusion resurrects him.

>>53800611
OK then: my question was about outside help. Let's say we're in a tournament and my opponent knows the guy seating at the next table. My oppo draws his starting hand, looks skeptical, shows the hand to his friend who goes :( , and then decides to shuffle and draw 6. Is that outside help?

Other situation: end of round, almost everyone finished playing and clumps around another game. Say a player forgets a trigger, or someone doesn't do the thing correctly (for ex., someone casts a Brainstorm while there's a Chalice for 1 on the board, but they forget, or someone puts a creature in the graveyard after a Swords to plowshares): can one of the people watching remember the player of the trigger, or comment?

I'm not sure those situations are clearly mentioned in the rules, but they happen all the time (also, I play in Northeast Italy, and the community is tiny, so we all know each other and those situations are supercommon)

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>>53812465
Because he ran out of fucks to give

>>53814294
An outside player can call a judge.

>>53814294
part1: This could definitely be considered outside help, especially if you think the friend's opinion influenced the decision. In a competitive REL tournament I would definitely consider calling a judge, . At FNM or whatever, I wouldn't really care about this. But better to not ask for or provide an opinion in a situation like that.

part 2: The spectators can't remind the players of things like that; that would definitely be considered outside help. What they can do is request that the players stop playing, and the spectator can actually call a judge to resolve the situation. Spectators can do this with any situation that they think could require a judge call.

>>53815061
>call a judge
So basically, I cannot tell a player "you forgot the Chalice trigger" but I can tell both player "stop everything! judge, how come this Brainstorm resolved with a Chalice for 1 in play" ?

>>53815191
Don't announce it to everyone, tell the judge away from the table what happened and let them resolve it

>>53815191
Basically. You ask them to stop the game so the game state doesn't change, and you go speak to a judge, preferably away from the table as >>53815202 indicated.

Has anyone ever tried playing Reanimated int the sideboard of storm for the reanimator/snt matchup? They discard gris, you reanimate it instead of them, and draw 7 and win?

>>53779947
I do homeboi

>>53812319

Absolutely, I love jank interactions.

>>53816533

Problem with that is that Reanimate is a Sorcery, and typically Reanimator players will only pitch things to its graveyard during its end step (entomb) or on the turn they plan to reanimate it themselves.

>>53816772
That can he solved with leyline of antici

>>53816837
pation

>>53816863
Glad you finished that. The anticipation was killing me.

>>53812508
P gud breh. Just the other day some filthy standard peasant asked me if I could spare a lightning bolt. I told him I could before cracking open a PSA 9.5 gem mint black lotus and using it to light my cigar while scattering a fist full of fourth editions at his feet.

>>53817347
I know you're a liar cause bolt isn't in standard. I bet your lotus was only an 8.5 too fag

>>53817439
Sometimes peasants want a fleeting taste of the good life
He probably traded away all of his "Gideons" and "gearhulks" to put together burn

>>53796466
holy shit magic sucks now

>>53817439
>bolt isn't in standard
Hence the begging. 8.5 would spoil the cigar; barely suitable for kindling.

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Swagadoodledoo

>>53820604

Nice dude, I heard Australian USeas are pretty hard to find

>>53820604
Looking good, Lim-Dul's Vault is such a sweet card.

I've been thinking about trying Looter Scooters in Tezz, what do you guys think? I stole one with Dack a while ago and realized I quite liked it, since Daretti's defender tokens can crew it alongsides Strixes and it gives me some much-needed card parity.

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>>53816837
>>53816863
I got that reference no homo

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With tons of cantrips, counters and maybe cheap other recursion stuff, think this is possible?

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>>53806921
It's not about naga vs snek, it's about missing out on snek tribal bonuses

>>53825223
I think you'd need to be able to get something out of discarding those cards other than a big tog. some kind of synergy. Maybe like a bug loam deck?

>>53825223
psychatog gets +x+x

where
x = 2n + 1/2 n,
n = number of cards in hand -1 (assuming you have shadow of the grave in your hand and 0 graveyard)

might as well just stick to upheaval t b h f a m i g l i a

Does it make sense to:
crack LED in response to Infernal Tutor in response to Shadow of the Grave?

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Why isn't anyone talking about this?
>Play Tomb/City
>Play this
>See fetchlands
>Name fetchlands
???

>>53826404

glad to see a pithing needle type effect in standard at least

>>53826003
Well no. Shadow resolves, putting everything back in your hand, then Infernal resolves, and you're not hellbent.

>>53826404
I'm not sure how good the card actually is. If you look at their hand and see nothing, you're naming blind and it's just pithing needle. If you see like a dual and 2 different fetches, it's a sinkhole they can undo with abrupt decay. It'll probably see some play but I doubt it will make serious waves.

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Anyone watching the last round of the gp day 1? Goblins is fucking 8-0

>>53826785
>look at hand
>see reanimator shit
>name griselbrand
>see lands and a gamble
>name maze or thespian stage
>see a loose hand with only a fetch
>now it's a shit hand
>see delver
>name deathrite
Its not hard to hazard a guess. Maybe it's lackluster and you board them out. Maybe you trip them up. Maybe you hose them. It seems like a great complement to chalice.

>>53829887
Just want to add, if it isn't clear it REALLY complements Chalice, since it's 2 cmc and Chalice decks usually play Sol Lands and no 1 cmc spells like Needle..

>>53826740
LED resolves first, now you're hellbent. Next tutor resolves and you find your card. Then you pick up everything you discarded to LED.

>>53829963
I assumed the stack was
LED
Shadow
Infernal

Because Infernal tutor is a sorcery. If you can flash it in in response to Shadow of Doubt then it works.

>>53830168
>>53829963
>>53826003
oh i forgot infernal is sorc speed

shadow of the grave once again relegated to the bulk rare binder

I'm just going to sit here and goldfish DDFT with my playset of divining tops and never play a real game again

>>53830423
f
>>53829887
I think it's too cute. Chalice decks could already play revoker through chalice and most don't play it, at least not main. I think it's just another option for decks that want a needle effect. Seems like the thing it's best at is "getting" people t1 who keep loose 1-fetch hands.

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>>53830423

GP Vegas legacy day 2 starts soon. Predictions on the winner/top 8? Heres my prediction
1- Grixis Delver
2- sneak and show
3-dragon stompy
4-grixis Delver
5-some other Delver
6-a hate bears type deck
7-sneak and show
8-storm

>>53834990
Gonna be 32/32 DRS, 32/32 Brainstorm

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>>53778460

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>>53834990

>a hatebears type deck

>>53836926
I mean like maverick or dnt. Something with thalia.

>>53837077

That does not change my reply.

If my local meta has a lot of DnT, fish, 2 lands and 2 nic fit, goblins, and enchantress, would pox be a decent deck against them? I got a foil future sight tombstalker that I want to use and figured pox because I got a beta sinkhole recently and the nastoolgia factor of these cards would only fit to pox. I plan on monoblack pox for now but possibly upgrading to G/B for decay and pulse if we get any more creature heavy!

>>53837243
Pox is the sort of deck that does best if you have a good read on your meta, which is sounds like you do. Meta game accordingly and you'll probably be ok. You've got a lot of vial decks though. Which line up well against your mana denial and sorcery speed removal. Perhaps consider main deck needle or bridge or something

Evaporating Melody
XUU
Instant
Gain control of target creature with converted mana cost X.

Lands players on suicide watch

>>53839101
I don't think they could have printed that card if they hadn't changed the cmc of flipped cards

>>53839731

I'm surprised they printed it at all, since it's a good sideboard card that's blue.

>>53778460
>pay to win general
How are those Forces of will?

>>53840428
Don't own any. I prefer my LED's.

>>53840428

How's summer going so far? You excited for your junior year?

>>53840428
ebin b8

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cunts

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>off work with a neck injury
>hit up legacy night for the first time in months
>beat UR Delver with SoFI+Batterskull Germ token
>beat Grixis Pyromancer with a 1/1 Jitte+Mirran Crusader through Dread of Night
>ID split with the other undefeated for $20 each in ISC
>both of us are d&t guys
feels good man

>bought a set of fluctuator a while back
>build shitty mr toad meme deck
>put amonkhet jank in it
>fluctuator fluctuates up in value
>still needs tweaking
>too shit to bring to an event
>none of my friends want to buy legacy shit
NEW FORMAT: BAD LEGACY
$100 OR LESS DECKS

>>53846324
Play something like the mono U martyr here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkwLJjBGzEE

>>53837243
I wish i played in your meta, TES is great against all those decks.

>>53847324
Come to Wisconsin man, we always need more players in legacy night!!

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>>53778460
I got no replies a couple of threads ago so I'm going to ask again.
How's Parfait holding up these days? Anyone know? Same old, or did it get worse/better?
Also, rate muh lands I use in my U/W Parfait

>>53848405
Cold Snap Snow-Covered Plains? Good choice.

>>53848496
Yeah boy. I kinda regret not getting them from Ice Age though. It would have fit more into my deck, but whatever. Still enjoy them immensely.

>>53846324
When I was just starting out I built a mono black budget pox for <$100. Something like
4 smallpox
4 hymn
4 innoccent blood
4 the rack
4 mishra's factory
1 nether spirit
and then fill the rest out with some spot removal, raven's crime, funeral charm, maybe necrogen mists, a copy of two of Big Pox. IoK is cheaper now, but if you want real budget you can use Blackmail like I did when I first started. I built damn near the whole deck out of the bulk bins at my LGS. I found a big pox, a set of racks, and a Hymn all right together one day and took it as a sign. It's not a strong deck but if you're a control player and you want to get into the format on a shoestring budget, there is IMO no better power-to-cost ratio.

No storm decks in the gp Vegas top 16. Where are all the good storm pilots? Clearly there was a lot of delver which isn't a great match up but you'd think someone could sneak through.

A quick question. Id like to play more Legacy but the only deck I have currently is Burn which is extremely infuriating to play in this format as you win and lose almost solely based on matchup (Win most fair matchups, get shitstomped by all fast combo decks like Sneak and Show, Reanimator, Depths). Is there another deck that has more game against the rest of the field? That has a bit more say on whether you win or lose? The only caveats I have are that it be non blue and win with creatures. Is Death and Taxes the only deck like this?

>>53853508
>non-blue
>using the combat step

How does it feel to have such shit taste?

But anyway, d&t, maverick, jund, elves, any stompy deck, and loam all sort of fit what you are looking for. There are plenty of creature decks that are more interactive.

>>53853724
I like creatures and dislike deck manipulation and counterspells
D&T seems the best out of all of those

>>53780385
Oh no sure hope they don't have some sort of counterplay!

>>53853724
I have 4 DRS
Goyfs, Duals, Fetches and 2 crucibles

Whats the cheapest shit I can build

>>53854442
I can't imagine anything much cheaper than biting the bullet on forces and playing bug delver

>>53854442
Burn

>>53854442
JUND 'EM

>>53855562
>lilianas, groves, confidants, chains, beta bolts
>cheap

come on now

Bring stiflenought back to 2017. What good cards have we gotten?

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>>53856581
Someone in a thread a while back was talking about using Consulate Dreadnought in the deck. I don't know if they ever got around to testing it.

>>53856773
What, just to crew in response to the etb trigger? Doesn't seem that great.

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Who thought putting duals on the reserved list was a good idea?

Putting $150 for a heavy used volcanic island just makes me feel like shit.

If I'm going to spend a shit ton of money at least be a big badass creature or a inst/sorc with a cool effect. e.g Snapcaster Mage, emrakul, dark depths, omniscience and such.

Fucking tried of highland lake without "enters the battlefield tapped"

>>53857870
Pretty much.

>>53858083
buy fakes you mongoloid

>>53857870
The other thing it can do, assuming you're playing stifles, is let you do t1 c. Dreadnought, t2 p. Dreadnought, stifle it's trigger and still crew. 7 on t2+12 on t3 is quite possibly lethal. Hell, if we're already in christmasland, might as well have another p. Dreadnought on t3 for actual lethal. But the real appeal is the [/spoiler]dreadnought tribal[/spoiler]

>>53848405
would tap/10

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>>53854263
>I'm the cancer killing magic
Kys asap

>>53858083

Cross out the text you don't like and play the card how you want to play it.

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god i love this deck

>>53858755
My current is running counter magic and fast mana with red timewalks so i can win turn 2-3 most of the time if i can find stifle/vision charm + dreadnought at the start. Also need to dodge removal. So when it works its brilliant but its more heavy on the not working side. I think adding pyromancers and delvers would make it better.

>>53864574
Cutting red timewalks for delvers sounds like a good idea to me.

>>53864574
Some balls of steel, going all in on RR timewalks.

>>53854288
i know youre being a smartass but dredge cant reliably kill cage which is why no one plays it youre just blank drawing for nature's claim

>>53871821
Why can't they reliably cast it? Most list run 4 in the board and are a playing 8+ draw spells

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>>53848405
I don't think anything has really changed.
>>53858755
I think you know what needs to be done, break out that eraser.

>>53875849
what a sick joke

fuck wotc

fuck this game

>>53858083
Chinaman, nobody cares except jews.
Hell we let people play with collector's editiona t the store but SCG and Co caught up and now those too are $50+

>>53875849
OH SHIT NIGGA FUUUUUCCCKKKK YAAASSSDSS THERE NEVER WAS A FOIL BEFORE FUUUUUCCCKKKK IBE CREAMED MT PANTS HSITT

Thinking about getting back into magic and wanting to play legacy, as it's what my family tends to play at tournaments.

Is there any form of viable humans legacy deck? I've looked a bit through the sticky, and have done a lot of searching online, but most articles date back a few years, so I'm not sure if it's even valid at this point.

Thanks for any help!

>>53878993
Death & Taxes is pretty much human tribal, I think that's about as close as you can get

>>53878993
Death and Taxes seems like the best human tribAL deck around right now.

>>53878993
D&T definitely plays a lot of humans, as does maverick, but if you want a tribal deck that plays cards like champion of the parish, mayor of avabruck, etc. there really isn't anything there, it would be too slow/not disruptive enough to stop combo. However, if that is what you are looking for, there are competitive modern coco human lists that are more in that style.

>>53878993
I remember also seeing a Thalia stompy list running around, I think it was playing TKS too though.

>>53878993
>>53881569
This is the list I was playing for a while. It's not really human tribal, but it does contain quite a few. It absolutely destroys fast combo but has a hard time with tempo decks. Lands is your nightmare matchup.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/thalia-stompy-test/

>>53875849
>IB00MSBAYINI

It's like they're taunting us

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I just thought of this so it's not fleshed out, but what do you guys think of the idea of land destruction superfriends? Ramp with artifact mana into a planeswalker, then use armageddon or ravages of war to set the opponent back by a couple of turns. Does such a deck already exist?

>>53884396
Youd auto lose to almost every major deck in the format. No way to deal with a resolved goblin guide because your deck is full of mana rocks planeswalkers and Armageddons

>>53884396
something like Esper Tezzeret control could work. artifact prison with armageddons to really lock things up. tezzeret and friends as wincons. sounds a little bad but that's whhere I'd start.

>>53846288
DnT is life bro. as long as legacy decks have greedy mana bases. we got game.

>>53792152
Not him, but ur flat out wrong. It depends on the metagame. Neither deck is strictly better than the other.

>>53884959
A little late to the party, aren't we?

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Where's that one doomsday guy? I got something for you.

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>>53890258
>>53875849
>>53884959

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>>53890258
Hey I got something for him too!

Why exactly isn't burn showing up top8 nowadays? Does it fold too hard against storm/reanimator/SnT to be a contender?

>>53893529
Storm is great against fair decks, but not against combo.

>>53894796
I meant burn

>>53896056
It's clock isn't very fast and deck space doesn't allow for mucg beyond burn spells. Most decks are either faster or have disruption to offset things. Burn has burn. And maybe blood moon.

>>53896056
Burn loses to 1/3 the meta, its pretty hard to place highly in larger tounaments when thats the case. You can still spike smaller events with it, it's just not the best choice.

>>53778460
How good is affinity in legacy?
I have half a affinity deck composed I just need 3 opals and a ravager

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Why would anyone ever pay to but into legacy when you can just print the cards off of the internet and play with friend for free?

>>53900075
its garbage

>>53900490
Why?
Does it get hated out too hard?

>>53900246
Because I don't have friends so I have to sacrifice my shekels and play with other friendless autismodians

>>53900662
Most builds can't run Brainstorm or Force, and if you can't run either of those you better be winning t1 or dropping a Chalice/blood moon/other hate card pretty quick smart.

on the plus side barely anyone runs Stony Silence.

>>53900893
Yeah, but if they force you it's a 2for1
A decent legacy affinity hand can put like 5 power into play turn one on the play, that doesn't even account for a nut draw where you could get a turn 1 etched champion, lots of affinitys threats aren't really worth forcing aside from ravager, plating and etched champion.

>>53900246
Cant print foil entombs BIIIIIIIIIIITCH

>>53884445
>>53884624

I found something kind of similar to what I had envisioned. They go more heavy on the artifact theme.

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15504&d=294520&f=LE

>>53900869
>only have like 2-3 friends who magic
>I am super interested in legacys but no one else give a shit about it because they would rather play modern or commander
It hurts

>>53901001
I'm not saying force is good against you, I'm saying that since you don't have it you'll die to combo

>>53901534
Yeah, that is true.
Ethersworn cannonist is about the only thing hat can deal with combo but other then that I'd probably just flop

Hey guys trying to get into Legacy as many of my friends have played it for a long time. Not new to magic so I know whys up, I saw a Josh Utter-Leyton's Dimir Death's Shadow list and fell in love with it. Before I build it what's your consensus on the deck? Is it playable? Is it competitive? Does it need tuning?

>>53901975
To me it just seems like the typical core delver deck with death's shadows as the additional threats (and obviously you need to play cards like watery grave to enable them). It's probably a fine deck, you can only go so wrong with one mana threats, cantrips, and countermagic. Plus you can easily switch to another delver variant if you dont like it.

>>53820604
How do you feel about Doomsday masterpiece.
I think it looks great. Kind of want to build vintage doomsday with those now. Do you happen to know a vintage DD list perchance?

>>53901638
Just run chalice and thorn of amethyst and you are fine. Chalice on 0 and 1 stops most of the storm decks.

>>53902997
Have you played affinity in modern? the deck plays more zero and one drops than pretty much any other in the format

>>53903902
This is a Legacy thread.

>>53902202
I am all the fuck about the masterpiece. Sick. I haven't seen any vintage doomsday lists since the gush reristriction. I think you'd build it much differently now. You could start by looking at this ancient menendian list: http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/vintage/8410_The_Doomsday_Device_The_Coolest_Win_Condition_In_Magic.html
A few years ago I took 1st in a small local vintage tournament with a lab man oath/doomsday hybrid list. It is VERY unturned (I had to use mostly rainbow lands because I owned no duals, or fetches and needed my 15 proxies for power and forces) but it might be a decent place to start with Shops being such a strong contender.
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
1 Chromatic Sphere
4 City of Brass
4 Dark Ritual
1 Deep Analysis
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Doomsday
4 Duress
4 Forbidden Orchard
4 Force of Will
4 Gemstone Mine
2 Gitaxian Probe
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Imperial Seal
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Memory's Journey
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
4 Oath of Druids
1 Ponder
2 Preordain
1 Sol Ring
2 Spell Pierce
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Time Walk
2 Underground Sea
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will

>>53893529

Izzet Delver is basically a better version of Burn that does show up in top 8s. I assume that plays a role, too, people who would be playing Burn for reasons other than its price are playing that instead.

>>53905138
What is the random Deep Anal for?

>>53907291
>deck self with oath
>pull the pin on Labman
>druh curds

>>53907683
>>53907291
or
>oath out labman
>labman is kill
>oath remaining cards into grave
>memory's journey for Lotus, yawgwill, and any other card
>flashback deep anal
>win in any number of ways

Is this ok?
What would you change if anything?
1x verdant force
1x blazing archon
1x griselbrand
1x iona, shield of emeria
4x dark ritual
4x cabal ritual
4x tendrils of agony
4x exhume
4x duress
4x hymn to tourach
4x innocent blood
4x smallpox
24x swamp
pls no bully

>>53910837
>4x duress
>4x hymn to tourach
>4x innocent blood
>4x smallpox
>4x tendrils
>1x verdant force
Take these out a replace them with the rest of the fixings for reanimator.

You have pox, reanimator, and a dash of storm crammed together and it's not going to work.

>>53902997
think lodestone golem lands too late to take thorn's slot?

>>53910837
-16 swamp
-4 cabal ritual, duress
+4 lotus petal, thespian's stage, urborg, dark depths, vampire hexmage, thoughtseize
verdant force might as well be a grave titan or custodi lich so you can cast it

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How do we make this passable? Vizier=Solemnity

I suppose this is the thread to ask but I've just came across a bunch of what I believe to be summer magic cards. How can I be sure they are from summer magic and not some other reprint? Just the © is enough?

>>53911742
Dark Depths is a replacement effect, so Solemnity doesn't let you get Marit Lage any faster, it's great with Glacial Chasm though.

>>53911860
You are retarded, with solemnity dd enters with no counters and you immediately get the trigger

>>53911963
I'm pretty sure you're wrong, Solemnity stops counters from being placed on your stuff, but Depths enters with the counters already on it, hence the "with" phrasing which indicates a replacement effect instead of a trigger.

>>53912773
nope, its still an effect that puts counters on a permanent you control, which solemnity stops. It works with anything that enters with counters, including persist/undying, vanishing, etc.

>>53913020
No
T judge

>>53903902
Counter question; Have you played any deck in legacy? The decks get shot the fuck out by storm or other glass cannon super combos, that you either play counterspells or stuff like chalice or discard, k?

>>53905311
Shit, you are absolutely correct.

>>53911477
>think lodestone golem lands too late to take thorn's slot?
Too uncertain to hit it on field fast enough. But sure, why not. Though at that point you are probably going in the direction of MUD more.

>>53911860
/tg/ really is bad at magic

>>53910919
Does that look better?
4x animate dead
4x buried alive
4x dread return
4x it that betrays
4x sphinx of the steel wind
1x blazing archon
1x griselbrand
1x iona, shield of emeria
1x kokusho, the evening star
4x cabal ritual
4x dark ritual
4x exhume
24x swamp

>>53914962
If you want to go all in on buried alive why not just use the necrotic ooze combo. But if you want to keep the same style you need cards like entomb, collective brutality, and reanimate (instead of dread return). Then probably some more discard spells, lotus petals, fewer lands, and better reanimation targets. You can probably get away with a mono-black reanimator list, but it should look a lot like the rb just without looting/duals.

>>53914962
This is what I use if you'd like a reference. I take it duals are out of the question?
4x Dark Ritual
4x Entomb
4x Exhume
4x Animate Dead
4x Thoughtseize
4x Unmask
4x Lotus Petal
4x Faithless Looting
2x Chrome Mox
4x Griselbrand
4x Chancellor of the Annex
1x Tidespout Tyrant
1x Sire of Insanity
8x black fetch lands
2x badlands
1x bayou for sideboard options
1x swamp

>>53913630

>t. Level 5 Kitchen Table "judge"

>>53915221
Ha ha 4x Reanimate goes in there somewhere.

>>53915156
>But if you want to keep the same style
What do you mean?
>need cards like entomb, collective brutality, reanimate
My budget is too low for these
>(instead of dread return)
Normally i'd go for dance of the dead but mints are rare so i picked the one with the least unwanted effects & lowest price
>more discards
I thought that was supposed to be eliminated from the first list

But the necrotic ooze combo seems awesome in there; thanks for that one.

>>53915421
Not eliminated. Replaced with different discard. If your budget does not permit anything else, duress and cabal therapy will be fine. Duress isn't ideal as you can't turn it on yourself to bin a fatty if needed but it should still provide adequate disruption.

>>53915421
I've read the additional rulings for necrotic ooze and with the creatures in the list it actually sucks balls

>>53915421
by same style i meant reanimating one fatty and hoping to win the game off of it as opposed to just winning with necrotic ooze. If you are completely reliant on buried alive and want to stay monoblack, you will need discard spells to protect your combo, because your entire gameplan revolves around resolving a 3 mana sorcery and then a follow up reanimation spell. I'm not the same guy that said to gut discard, but duress is significantly worse than thoughtseize because you can't use it on yourself to discard a reanimation target, although you can use cabal therapy for that effect. Also, you are going to need some way of finding buried alive or add copies of a card that is redundant. You can't rely on always drawing a 4-of in a deck with no cantrips, and it looks like this deck does nothing if it doesn't draw buried alive.

>>53915630
well he would add phyrexian devourer and triskelion/ballista, it makes buried alive+reanimate an instant win that isn't interrupted by a removal spell

>>53915681
If i draw fattys; they're discarded due to hand size limit
If i draw buried alive, then it's all good
If i draw reanimation spells/lands, i'm totally shrekt

>>53915729
That means that if i'd want the ooze then i should just pick the ones listed in the combo

>>53915865
so there are some problems with only relying on the cleanup step for discard outlets. First of all, you need to skip your land drops and not cast spells, which is the not what you want to be doing with 3 mana entombs and 4 mana reanimation spells in your deck, as well as discard spells. Second, lets say you are on the draw and discard a sphinx or something, and then next turn you play something like land dark rit animate dead, and it gets sworded/surgicalled/hit by some other way of getting it out of the yard. Now you have to wait another 3 turns, missing land drops the whole time, before you can discard again. It's just not fast enough, you need some other way to get your targets in the graveyard. Honestly if budget is that much of an issue, the next best thing after buried alive and cabal therapy is corpse connoisseur, which really sucks

>>53915681
Is replacing dark ritual & cabal ritual with duress & cabal therapy a good idea?

>>53916173
no, the dark rituals are the only way I see you winning in a reasonable amount of time. I would cut some lands and maybe a couple cabal rituals or reanimation targets. I imagine you only need about 18-20 lands if you are running a bunch of rituals

>>53915865
You might want to check out putrid imp or hidden horror anon. Both are great help when it comes to discarding creatures. And both only cost a few cents.

>>53914024
I havn't actually seen any legacy affinity lists, what are they like? My point is, the list i've seen (admitedly modern), dont have the blue cards for force and get shut down pretty bad by chalice themselves. So what hate do they have for the combo matchups? I feel like they would be like burn, dies to 1/3 of the format but three times the price

>>53916993
"Legacy affinity" is more like tezerator in modern

>>53916993
>I havn't actually seen any legacy affinity lists, what are they like?
The modern Affinity deck doesn't really have an analog in legacy, it's clock is too slow to beat combo and it's cards quality is generally lower than the rest of the fair decks. If you want to play an artifact heavy deck in legacy you play either Tezzerator, MUD/Stax, or some Painter variant.

>So what hate do they have for the combo matchups?
Leyline of Sanctity, Ethersworn Cannonist, or Thorn of Amethyst for spell based combo and Faerie Macabre of Graffdigger's Cage seem like the options if you were going to try to jam modern style affinity.

>>53911860
>>53912773
You are mistaken.
>121.6. Some spells and abilities refer to counters being put on an object. This refers to putting counters on that object while it’s on the battlefield and also to an object that’s given counters as it enters the battlefield.

>>53918036
You are correct sir.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/the-return-of-hate-and-hosers-hou-exclusive-previews

>"...Solemnity keep you from putting counters on creatures (as with Walking Ballista's ability), but it also makes it so artifacts, creatures, enchantments, and lands enter the battlefield without any counters as well. This means that your Walking Ballista goes directly to the graveyard as soon as it's cast, which makes it another Standard all-star that gets hated out by Solemnity."

I've been working on building a lot of new decks lately, and it's become something of a hobby... Moreso than actually playing them, since most of the decks I don't even own the cards for. I'd like to be able to build decks during break at work, but the place I work doesn't have wifi in the breakroom so I can't access online card databases.

Do any of you have recommendations for downloadable card databases, preferably some kind of program with a good search function? That's really all the functionality I need, anything else like making proxy sheets or being able to make a deck list within the program is bells and whistles I'll never use.

>>53919117
Theres a free judge app, I can't remember what its called, but its on android. It has an offline oracle.

>>53919117
I use MTG Familiar and it's been great.

>>53918253
That's very counter to previous rules, enters with or as it enters have always been special actions that are treated as it occurs prior to it becoming a permanent on the battlefield, which should get around solemnity. But I guess the DCI is just bad at their own rulings; see rain of gore and lifelink.

>>53916685
Better?
4x animate dead
4x buried alive
1x kokusho, the evening star
3x sphinx of the steel wind
2x it that betrays
3x duress
4x dread return
1x blazing archon
1x griselbrand
1x iona, shield of emeria
4x dark ritual
4x putrid imp
4x cabal therapy
4x exhume
2x cabal ritual
18x swamp

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hey legacy general, can you evaluate my bomberman list? monastery siege is a flex slot, which i'm debating filling with smuggler's copter or something instead

>>53920317
>MTG Familiar
Hot DAWg i've had this app for like 2 years and never knew about the deck builder function. was it added recently? I've been on MTG Instant for android, and the UI kinda blows and it always crashes

>>53871821
they can also run chain of vapor

So how does the new white card go to the dark depths? Is UW/BW/BGW or WBU depths a thing now?

>>53923258
I don't see it fitting into either lands or turbodepths because
a) its not a land
b) its 3 mana
c) it's white
d) can't recur