Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>53771107
jesus, we already have 2 other threads up ass wipe

I'm trying to decide if I'm going to do Deldar or CSM for the global campaign at my store. We're incorporating our own summer campaign into it as well, which should be fun.

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Is it just me, or does this datasheet not mention the Meka Dread actually having Rokkit Bomms?
Top Teir rules writing
shit this edition is fucked

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First for the hivemind

>>53771913
Dark Eldar are higher-tier this edition with dramatically-improved gunboat playstyles. CSM are a solid but unremarkable mid-tier faction. On the other hand Berserkers are fucking nuts in CC now.

>>53772737
if it goes by the old rules, it's a 3rd option over mega-charga or kff, as it goes on the back/shoulders of it

>>53772876

Watch them remove Fly from all their vehicles during the next balance patch.

>>53772767
That is a very neat paint scheme but a very unfortunate weapon loadout.

>>53772933
I don't know why people keep thinking the balance patches are going to go as far as changing rules. They're just going to adjust points costs.

>>53772876
>Dark Eldar are higher-tier this edition with dramatically-improved gunboat playstyles

Truly these sorts of dark eldar players need to be wiped out.

>>53773007
>mfw these dumb cunts were crying about DE being shit in 8E and wanting to use the 5E codex
>mfw the 8E DE builds are just the 5E ones on crack

>>53772737
Yeah, there are some tyranid critters with rules for how specific guns behave, but no rules for how to obtain them on those critters.

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>>53773007
Not him, and I'm sorry anon, but I'm going to drive my archon's raider right into a melee, having him strut across the deck to the very nose, lean over, and fire his blast pistol right into some schmuck's face. And you can't stop me.

Until The Duke is back, I'm afraid I'll be fighting with darklight. As always, style over tactics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzY45Fbni40

>"If you're new to the hobby, this is where you want to begin to get all your miniatures ready for battle."
>"But, if you're more experienced, you might want to watch the video anyway just to LISTEN TO MY MOIST ASS VOICE"

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Whoever told me to download GIMP....THANK YOU!!!!!!!

>>53772964
Yeah I made it up during early 4th edition and only painted it up the other day for fun. Its pretty annoying that the load out sucks ass but when i made it things were different and i didnt really fully understand wtf i was doing.

>was a recap article
>still no faction focus adeptus mechanicus

are we npcs now

>>53773146
Welcome to the fold fellow NPC!

>>53773146

You've always been NPCs. You were NPCs for over 30 years until you got models. Everyone's NPCs. Even manlet marines are NPCs now. The only PCs are Guilliman and Abadoo.

>>53773146
One of us. One of us...

>>53773146
>Implying literal beep boop drones ever weren't

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>>53773219
>>53773161
>>53773202
>>53773210
We're no mere NPCs.
We're a fucking plot device :^)

In 7th edition, it was possible to stack leadership penalties and make a freakshow army. Is that still possible in 8th?

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Gonna be playing with this for my first 8th ed game with tzeentch just to play with some of everything

>>53773229
DG with some spawn, an Icon and that dumbass bellend character in the starter can do -3, chaos might have a psychic power that can do some more too

Am I correct in understanding that Razorbacks are the new hotness and Rhinos are coffins with wheels in 8th?

>>53773306
>Rhinos
RHINOS
OUR ENEMIES HIDE IN METAL BAWKSES THE COWARDS, THE FOOLS
WE, SHOULD TAKE AWAY THEIR METAL BAWKSES

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>>53772737

So the Meka Dread lost character and can't join Dreadnought packs now?

That's kind of a let down.

And on top of that, it lost the ability to repair Ork walkers and tanks.

And Ramshackle Monster is overall less useful....

Rokkit-Bomms not running out of ammunition anymore is good I suppose.

Not sure I can justify taking the Meka-Dread anymore though. Seems like it just isn't worth it over the Orkanauts or more Kans and Dreads.

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>new edition
>massive unit overhaul
>Tactical Terminators still hot dogshit

When was the last time tac-termies were worth taking? 3ED? 2ed?

>>53773306

Razorbacks for most lascannons+wounds per point.

Rhino for cheapest 10 capacity transport.

Predators for lolwhyaren'tyouusingrazorbacks

>>53773229
For Crons there is The Deciver and Flayed One for 1- each both with deeps strike like options

>>53773393
Second.
3rd onward they die to 5+ lasguns shooting at them

>>53773393

2E and 30K

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>>53773393
Just take assault terminators.

>>53773306
Rhinos are stupidly resilient for their cost, any smart player will be able to maneuver them virtually to the front line.

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>mfw no one ever talks about the super qt blonde on the White Dwarf team who always wears sweaters and jeans

>>53773408
>30k
If I wanted to play marine vs marine and maybe random shit. I would play AoS

>>53772933
Wait, what's with Fly?

Pls no. My Hydras have to have *some* use.

>>53773393
>he doesn't understand the power of massed rapid fire 2 storm bolters

Hey /tg/, I picked up the Start Collecting Space Marines kit about a week ago and I was wondering what would be good options of units to add on for say, 1k point games? Keep in my mind I'm not looking for what is 100% optimal, just whatever isnt garbage

>>53773267
>-3

Conscripts become Ld1, thats just fucking savage.

>>53773428
Oh wow she actually is cute.

Most of the females working at GW are on the DO NOT WANT side.

>>53773428
Are you new?

When they have a qt trap waifu material /tg/ might care

>>53773429
Except 30k managed to make 7th more enjoyable, more balanced, and more diverse despite the Marines vs Marines

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>>53773393
Eat shit loyalist dogs.

>>53773124
is there a template for Cadians?

>>53773450
Except you just daisy chain them to the commissar outside of the leadership debuff bubble and they're Ld 8 and can only lose one guy to failed morale regardless.

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>>53773450
>Conscripts become Ld1, thats just fucking savage.

>still only loses one to morale

>>53773450
Commissars are still a thing.

You need to shoot them to death and kill the commissar. Or just shoot them to death and ignore the commissar

>>53773441
if you want that then take 10 sterguard with storm bolters they are way cheaper, more shots, and faster

>>53773441
>he doesn't understand how worthless 20 S4 AP 0 shots are on a unit that can only move 5 inches a turn.

If you want deepstriking dakka, Inceptors are far and away superior.
>more shots
>more AP pen
>higher toughness
>over DOUBLE the movement stat

>>53773488
Does Chaos even have a good way to deal with commissars?

>>53773408
It's hilarious how much better the game is once you remove everything that isn't space marines.

>>53773444

Dread: fist, lascannon, autocannon, assault cannon, missiles

Cpt: don't think it even gives you any options

tacs: grav gun, lascannon, missile launcher, melta gun, plasma gun, maybe flamer and heavy bolter but we'll have to see

A lot more options are viable in 8E compared to 7E.

>>53773459
It fails immediately because it was marines vs marines.

I've playing this thing for decades now. I don't even play marines and have more than one hundred of them. They show up in everything.
I'm sure there where marines inside the fantasy kits. Because I don't recall intentionally buying marines

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After spending ALL DAY fixing up some old Termis and converting some of the more far gone ones into new HQs, I have all the models for this list.
I AM READY TO PURGE

What the fuck were they thinking with Decurions and Formations?!
I know they want to sell models but the decurion era was the absolute worst period for 40k.

>>53773503
Yeah but they're utter shit in close combat, have worse armour, no invuln, and can't take special weapons.

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Thoughts on this list? I'm only running 5 inceptors, in a squad together, not 6 but this builder won't let you change their number.

Chaplain and Assault termies deepstrike into trouble. Inceptors deepstrike and blast away with 30 shots S5 AP-1.

Gollygeeman, and hellblasters footslog it with the apothecary keeping them alive and the ancient letting them attack when they die.

Intercessors holding home objectives, or footslogging with Gollygeeman depending on the mission.

Dreadnought fire support.

>>53773514
No idea. You should had stay loyal son!

Am I correct in understanding that a Terminator Ancient with a Banner is a character so he is able to survive longer than the regular terminators in a squad? The buffs that the banners give are pretty fucking impressive.

>>53773457
>mfw /tg/ has women play games of pretend
>"it's okay, when I'm wearing pants it means I'm a boy"

>>53773541
The concept was okay, had some flaws but there were some really fun fluffy formations.

The execution was a disaster.

>>53773541
It was a nice idea, but GW gonna GW.

I'll give GW 4 codex release before fucking up 8th

>>53773552
You can simply withdraw from combat and blast away without penalty because they have fly.

They're also M12 so maybe don't let yourself get assaulted by something that will mulch you.

>>53773541

Okay, listen up Leandros, you can take any of the following wargear for your next mission.

- Combat knife
- Bolt pistol
- An ork choppa
- This large branch
- A Warlord Titan
- Two more Warlord Titans (requires at least one Warlord Titan)

>>53773540
That's a lot of terminators walking 5 inches a turn across the board because they can't deepstrike

>>53773539
Well, the battle of skull pass booklet did show people playing battle for maccrage.
You're not wrong.

Is death is not enough any good now that characters can't join units?

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Serious talk: What is the realistic future of SoB? Are they going to be squatted? Will their 20 year old moulds turn into 30 year old moulds? Will they be replaced of SoS because GW are lazy fucks?

As a fan, I'm not feeling very optimistic.

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>>53773625
>Is death is not enough any good now that characters can't join units?

>>53773503
>he only takes 5 terminators
My teammate last game dropped 10 terminators and weathered 2 army's worth of shooting (IG and Orks), and 2 rounds of melee against a morkanaught (gorka? The melee one) before finally going down.

>>53773500

They're nowhere near as durable as 10 termies. Cheap, sure, but they're not a distraction carnifex with the ability to cast fist.

>>53773619
I think what you meant to say was Happy footslogging, Brother!

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>>53773625
woah

>>53773636
Soda pop miniatures gets hired to make new plastics.
So ultra slutty bolter bitches.

>>53773636
If you don't have an army already don't bother.

If you already do have one. You should be used to be the abused housewife.

Celestine, Vyridian and 8th rules are the equivalent of a pity fuck while also getting pass around between your husband "friends"

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>>53773644
Either of those things are enough to wipe a 10-man termi squad.

Either you're lying or those were the absolute worse rolls to-hit/wound rolls in history paired up with the best saving rolls in history.

>>53773625
Instant death no longer exists.

>>53773636

Feel like they're gonna be rolled into Inquisition so GW can get away with simply releasing a single plastic kit instead of an actual range. Maybe they include two heavies and two specials of all types and backpacks for ground and jump units, and charge a high amount, just to dick over customers with tons of excess bits.

>>53773636

The realistic future is the popularity of Celestine and Veridyan stunned GW to the point where they still can't meet demand for the latter. For the first time ever, I feel confident that plastic sisters will happen, HOWEVER, they are not on the foreseeable horizon because GW just realized they're popular. MAYBE next summer we'll get something if they're quick about it. Don't expect anything sisters related besides another bad copy-paste for at least a year.

>>53773554
I'm not sure what you intend with the list, but it's not very efficient. Sternguard are universally better then numarine tacos, and HS beat out the hellblasters almost every time.

On top of that, Interceptors or whatever are deceptively awful. Just grab vanguard instead, cooler, quicker, cheaper, and killier. Simply put a 1st company assault force is just a better version of a primaries strike force.

>>53773658
So Raging Hereos?
I'm not even mad. Maybe disappointed but not mad.

Like being a father that learns her daughter does camshows for a living, but she is actually making more money than you ever did at that age.

>>53773673
I remember the one time I took meganobz.
They were shot by a leman russ, half of them were instakilled because ap 2 and instant death and the rest panicked and ran off the board.

>>53773684

Models take at least two years to come out, MINIMUM. One year to design, one year to produce. For example, Primaris are stamped 2017 on the sprue but have been in design for at least 3 years according to an official interview.

>>53773514
Dump Berserkers into their units and watch everything die.

>>53773683
Yeah I could absolutely see a generic SoB set containing 5 sisters, and 1 of each heavy and special weapon, along with 5 bolters.

Another set that's just 3 of their jump troops.

And a web exclusive vehicle upgrade kit. Actually I think forge world already sells those so maybe not even that.

Conscript spam is pure math hammer. No one is actually going to paint 500 conscripts and playing against it would be really boring.

>>53773688
>HS
What's an HS?

>>53773700
And if the rumors are true we are getting a Hrud like race this year.

That is the extent of the rumor from a GW representative

>>53773673

Whatever you say, champ, but 20 2+/5++ T4 wounds are pretty fucking durable, especially when you can fuck with wound allocation. By that I mean if you have 2 shots that went through, and one for for 1 and the other was for 6, you drop the 1 on one guy, and the 6 on the same guy because he's already wounded.

>>53773709
>Actually I think forge world already sells those so maybe not even that.

They went OOP over a year ago.

>>53773722
I have painted over 500 orcs, it's possible.

>>53773638
>>53773656
Sorry, let me clarify:

The Harlequin Death Jester unit has an ability called "Death is Not Enough". The ability lets you choose the first model to die to a failed morale check if the unit that failed the check was attacked by the death jester.

I would like to know what you think of the tactical applications of this ability, now that characters can't join units. It seems to me the most you could get out of this is destroying some heavy weapons models in a unit.

>>53773724
Oh, sorry, I'm thinking 30k. Devestators. They're called heavy support in HH

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Haven't gotten a clear answer on this, how are Red Terror and raveners when supported by a trygon prime/devilgants?

>>53773730
2016 was last year. They went Out of producting in 2014 if memory serves me right

>>53773735
Possible, but god damn what a way to suck the fun out of a game.

>>53773603
The point is that units which can't do work in both shooting and assault this edition are crap unless they're really REALLY good at one of those two things. Terminators can charge after shooting and actually get damage done, Inceptors are basically only good for shooting.

Also if you really think 12" Move is going to save you from getting charged this edition you haven't seen what Tyranids or Chaos can do yet, and you can't fall back and shoot without penalty if you're fucking DEAD before you get the chance to fall back.

>>53773728
That's not "fucking with wound allocation" That's how allocation works.

You assign wounds to wounded models until it's dead then you pick a new model.

This isn't what was it, 5ED Draigo wing where every termi had unique wargear so you had to wound every single one of them +1 before any started dying?

>>53773753
Yes, 3 years is over a year ago.

>>53773759
At least they would be painted.

Unlike the eldar and tau spam of Grey models.
God I wish that was just a meme

>>53773700

I'm saying 1 year because supposedly the sisters are already designed based on the rumor from years ago. People have supposedly seen the sculpts, which are the ones with the veil.

>>53773736
It's exactly what you said. Sarges, special weapons, hell a model that looks kinda funny, you get to pick who dies. On Tacs and bubblewraped gun squads it's pretty damn useful

>>53771107
Is there anything wrong if i want to model Inceptor Marines like old school jump marines i.e not with a flying base? I know i'll be accused of wanting to get rid of the flying bases to make use of cover but logically that is the point of them; flying infantry units that can still act as infantry i.e using cover.

>>53773644
you could have 20 sternguard with storm bolters for 104 points less than 10 termies the sternguard still have a 2+ in cover also so almost as durable tactical termies are still ok but if you want mass bolter fire take 10 sternguard with storm bolters

Why are there so many people who look at a new edition and immediately begin to think, "how can I find loopholes and ways to dick over my opponent?"

the game designers just want us to have fun rolling dice and moving out hand painted models around and there is always a group of people who want to break shit just to win

>>53773773
My bad. Misunderstood the expression

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>>53773722
>No one is actually going to paint 500 conscripts
No one's gonna paint them with care and fine details. The simple basecoat + three colors + optional wash is well within realm of possibility and projects of similar scale have been done before.
>and playing against it would be really boring.
That's other people's problem.

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>>53773722
>>53773759
Probably a good time to bring back movement trays now that spacing doesn't matter.

>>53773784
Because noone here actually plays the game or the meme army they're talking about.

>>53773789
What's the pink frosting on those brownies? strawberry?

>>53773722

If someone wants to give me automatic first turn by default by putting that on the table, I'm more than willing to let them.

>>53773722
500 is a stretch but 100 is not, and that's already overpowered. The amount of points you need to dedicate to killing those 300 points worth of conscripts is going to be ridiculously higher and that leaves the other 1700 points of IG stuff generally unmolested whilst they unload on you.

An army doesn't have to be entirely made of an OP unit for that unit to be OP and need nerfing.

>>53773784
where do you think you a-

In all seriousness, people are just dicks sometimes, and in an environment like this where powergaming has been the tune for a while, don't be surprised when powergamers make themselves heard. Sad, but an eventuality

>>53773784
Some of them where obvious.
A friend of mine that doesn't read English made his Ork list right on the spot and saw the way to break it immediately.

60+ boys with mek screens and dok special character results in 5++ and feel no pain like save with 6+ for all those boys easily.

It almost feel like they didn't test it with stuff that had more 10+ Models

>>53773763
>devastator squad in cover
>deepstrike Inceptors next to them, dakke half of them away
>charge the reaminders
>finish them off on your opponents turn.

So in your mind, there's just going to be assault terminators or honor guard babysitting every backfield heavy weapons team?

>>53773789
I miss Warhammer Fantasy.

Anyone Deathwatch here that can help me with which builds for a veteran squad are decent? I really want to start building my guys and I've been waiting over a month since buying them.

>>53773728
>By that I mean if you have 2 shots that went through, and one for for 1 and the other was for 6, you drop the 1 on one guy, and the 6 on the same guy because he's already wounded.
Technically no you don't get to do this. The guy rolls damage one at a time. So instead of it being 1 and 6 and you assigning the one and then the 6 so only one Termie dies, it would actually be possible for your opponent to roll the 6 first, kill a termie, and then roll the 1 and still get that extra wound through.

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>>53773806
kek

>>53773801
That's what people said about Eldar lists and Riptide spam.

>>53773845
We all do.
Too bad GW can't balance shit or understand basic marketing

Look, I know people love "space locust", but they are SO LAME. They are just so fucking stupid looking and cheesy, the fluff has fleets annihilated by single chapters but THEY NEVER FUCKING DIE. Have them die to a warp storm. Hell them and Eldar both. They can linger as old school factions that we keep as legacy codecs, throw them a bone every once and a while, but please, please, PLEASE just throw them in the garbage where they belong.

>>53773845
I know, man, I know ;_;7

>>53773866
no they didn't because those lists are easy, lower model count, and composed of big centerpiece models that people love to own.

>No one will ever buy a couple of those really cool, bristling in gun, new models that GW made!

This is you.

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>>53773866

You mean when tg screamed and swore to the heavens that Riptides were dog shit?

>>53773836

That stuff is intentional. The amount of defensive auras in the game is actually quite low, you are simply picking the ones that exist. Compared to 7E, which used to have army wide 2++ rerollable, while invisible.

>>53773845
I really miss it too. My first love was Fantasy and I was really upset when it got squatted.

>>53773837
If your opponent isn't screening his backfield somehow that's his mistake, how you punish it at that point isn't really important as long as you have any units that can.

Although you did make me realize that the biggest advantage the Inceptors have over Terminators is that Fly lets them charge over intervening models if there's enough space to place them on the other side, so I guess they do have a use.

>>53773892
>no they didn't

Yeah they did, newfag. People said "nobody actually plays lists like that in real life" when scatbikes and WK spam came out, or people made 5 Riptide list jokes when Farsight Enclaves and FW Riptides were first released.

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>>53773899
Sigmar is still around anon

what should i buy, an infantry squad or a scion squad?

>>53773836
Because Vindicare assassins with 72 inch rifles that pick out characters aren't a thing.

>>53773882
Just because your snowflake marines can win battles against them doesn't mean nids are lame.

>>53773866
Elite vs horde armies anon. The reason tyranids and orks are looking scary at my local is because all the old school player already have these hordes painted. But sure I hope people buy 500 conscripts then when the real codices come out and make that obsolete I'll just laugh. But you you know this will be a rare case.

>>53773916
That's no Unbertogen.

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I'm new to 4chan and I wanted to show you sirs and ladies my newest model! Tell me what you think.

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>>53773892

>>53773933
>>>/wip/

>>53773920
Ratlings seem cheaper and better at that than him.

>>53773882
Tyranids aren't space locusts, they're the Giger faction and the dinosaur faction rolled into one. They're for people who love Lizardmen in Fantasy and for people who love the Alien films. They're one of the oldest and most iconic factions in the setting and have an extremely dedicated fanbase and they're not going fucking anywhere. If you want to play your shitty marinewank without xenos go play 30k.

>>53773951
30k plays better though.

>>53773951
>falling for such awful bait
Do not reply to conscript memers/female space marines/remove <faction>

>>53773933
It looked retarded on reddit and it still looks retarded here.

The hull looks great but the retarded rainbow wings make zero sense, not something an ork would do, and clash horribly with the rest of the model.

Is this legitimately a "Look at me I'm gay and proud of it everyone pay attention to me I'm trying to tell you I'm gay so you can feed me attention!" or just ironically look like that?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/6gskis/Orks_can_be_proud_to_be_gay_too!/

>>53773428
Most people here play Marines, they have no interest in her.

>>53773902

>assault dreadnaught with Seraphim
>weather punchy fist for 2 combats
>my turn
>use shooty AoF on Seraphim
>quad melta the dread
>fucking dead
>move 12"
>land behind apothecary and captain
>all his dudes are in front
>literally 2" from captain
>each eat 2 meltas and die

Protect that back line

>>53773972
It plays better than 7th, it doesn't play better than 8th.

>>53773916
Sigmar is a better emperor than the emperor could ever be. God Emperor of Man WISHES he was on the same level as Sigmar

>>53773922
>when the real codices come out and make that obsolete I'll just laugh
>implying the real codices will save people from the WAAAGH! and Nids having every small-model count army for dinner
Face it anon, 8e isn't Age of Imperium, it's Age of Hordes.

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only WAAAAAAAGH!!

>>53773882
>Look, I know people love "space marines", but they are SO LAME. They are just so fucking stupid looking and cheesy, the fluff has chapters annihilated by single fleets but THEY NEVER FUCKING DIE. Have them die to a warp storm. Hell them and Eldar both. They can linger as old school factions that we keep as legacy codecs, throw them a bone every once and a while, but please, please, PLEASE just throw them in the garbage where they belong.

>>53773722
I had 850+ painted grots plus about 300 goff boys from the 2ed box set back in the early 1990s. No one at my games shop played orks so i bought all their ork models for a few bucks.

Each week i'd buy $40 in gift certificates and run a contest: Whoever painted the most Grots in one week got $20, the next got $10 and 3rd and 4th got $5. If you didn't make the top 4 your grots carried over to the next week.

The idea wasn't mine, another guy used the same scheme to get @300 hormagaunts painted in a week.

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>>53773980
>mfw no one ever talks about the super qt battle brother in Third Company who always wears yellow and red

>>53773981
If you don't have an additional 2000pts to screen and provide cover fire for your initial 2000pts in the backfield, while a further 2000pts move up the field and take objectives in your opponents table half in a 2000pt game that's your mistake.

>>53773981
I'm no big fan of SoB but I can always appreciate the wondrous feeling when a battleplan goes off without a hitch and you fucking wreck faces. Well done yo.

>>53773978
I was mainly motivated by this rainbow Celestine that I saw a few months back. I thought I'd do my own spin on it :)

I'm sorry if I've upset you I meant no harm.

>>53773987
It plays better than AoG.

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>>53773980
Subtle.

getting the scion start collecting
should i build the tempestus command squad, or should i keep a 10-man squad of scions?

>>53774024
Keep memeing and dreaming anon

:^)

>>53773428
LONDON
O
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D
O
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>>53773829
you don't have to kill it though, they're not that much of a threat. Just find ways to get around the blobs and push them off objectives.

>>53773933
Ork player here.

The wings clash with the rest of the design, but otherwise it's pretty friggin' cool.

Taste the rainbow, loot the rainbow indeed.

>>53773749
Anyone please

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What do I do with 11 of these fuckers besides make one Azrael

Okay, eldar as a faction can sort of reliably get a -3 penalty to leadership:
Phantasm Grenades
Horrify
Some wargear item for the mary sue death elf faction that I don't give two shits about.

Additionally, Dark Eldar can get another -1 penalty on turn 5, but that's never going to happen so I don't count it.

Is leadership used for anything other than morale these days?

>>53774057
Why do you have 11...

>>53774057
One Azrael, 10 statues of Azrael

>>53774063
A shipment of them to a local store uh fell off the truck.

>>53773933
that looks fucking stupid

Alright I need to make a decent 1250 pt list to deal with guard blobs/artillery and this is what I've come up with :

Vanguard #1:

Taurox Prime w/ gatling cannon- 96
5x acolytes w/ storm bolter- 50
5x acolytes w/ sb- 50

Taurox Prime w/ gatling cannon- 96
5x acolytes w/ sb- 50
5x acolytes w/ sb- 50

Onager Dunecrawler w/ neutron laser- 135
Onager Dunecrawler w/ neutron laser- 135

Scion command w/ 4 plasma- 64
Scion command w/ 4 plasma- 64

Tempestor prime w/ staff- 40

Vanguard #2:

Canoness- 45
Imagifier- 40
Hospitaller- 30

Retributors w/ 4x heavy bolter- 85
Retributors w/ 4x heavy bolter- 85
Retributors w/ 4x heavy bolter- 85

and 50 other points to spend... It seems like it might work but I kinda want some feedback before I start working on everything

How you do decide on power weapons?

Better ability to wound, or better AP?

>>53774017

Not gonna lie, it felt amazing.

Will an entirely primaris force ever be viable?

All their units currently are shit. Especially the commander, why the fuck did they give him 2 melee weapons and no wargear to swap them out for something different? A T5 marine with relic blade and storm shield might have been useful.

>>53774071
Aren't these only found in the dark vengeance box? You had 11 boxes "fall off a truck"?

>>53774073
What's a good count as for Acolytes with Storm bolters?

Best I have at the moment are some Scout models with bolters that I could replace with Scion heads.

>>53774073
Do you really have 12 Sisters with HB?

>>53773837
Longfangs with a las/plas razorback will make that Inceptor squad vaporize pretty quick. If you fail the charge the las/plas Razorback will probably wipe them out by itself, if they make the charge the Sergeant and WG Terminator will wipe out the Inceptors.

Also there is a reasonable chance the Razorback might beat up the Inceptors in CC.

Also: Bitches don't know about my cyber raven and servo skulls.

>>53774048
How do you propose to push them off objectives, that's the problem.

If you can get to the objectives first and stop them from reaching them you might have a chance, but they are by far the best objective holders in the game.

>>53774091
Eh, faghet about it. If you wanna talk more latah, come talk with me and my boys down by the dock

>>53773993

Look, I know people love "The Imperium of Mankind", but they are SO LAME. They are just so fucking stupid looking and cheesy, the fluff has them FUCKING DIE BY THE BILLIONS but they're never on their last leg. Have them sacrifice themselves to fight off the tyranids. Hell, them and Space Marines both. They can linger as old school factions that we keep as legacy codecs, throw them a bone every once and a while, but please, please, PLEASE just throw them in the garbage where they belong.

>>53774073
Also add stubbers/storm bolters to your Taurox Primes. Nice even 100 points and 2-4 more S4 shots.

>>53774073
Please post a picture with 3 of those models next to each other.

>>53773933
>Shoving the two extra supa shootas into the engine intakes
>Not just using the blitza-bommer extensions

Retard alert.

>>53774096
I have some oop greatcoat troopers that I plan on throwing some storm bolters on, rest will probably be just scions w/ storm bolters.

>>53774090
They'll be good in the Codex probably. I suspect the wargear in the Dark Imperium set is only fixed for those particular snap-fit starter models.

>>53774090
>only released units are what can be made from the starter
>HBolter dev squad on jetpacks and super-plasmagunners seem good
>still gonna get a bunch more units and options, primarily a flamer+cyclone missile launcher gravis-armour unit and the grav-raider
>modular characters are definitely gonna get released, probably gonna get Tetrarch Felix or whatever guillimans boytoy is named

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>>53774114
Come on, man. Now I'm super curious. I stole a lot of boxes from GW back in the day and would like to hear a story.

>>53773988
>Sigmar is a better emperor than the emperor could ever be. God Emperor of Man WISHES he was on the same level as Sigmar
>Sigmar
>God Emperor

Anon your country has a really weird way of spelling the name Nagash, are you sure GW is using decent translators for whatever local language your nation uses?

>>53774101
Lol hell no and I doubt anyone out there does. Plan on converting some if they perform decently .

>>53774118
trying too hard

>>53773988
Sigmar turned everything into magical realms when he had the power to fix things.
Fuck him, Ulric is my god now.

>>53774118
Dying by the billions isn't really a huge deal when there are trillions left to spare and several billion born every day.

>>53774147
Stores are allowed to basically "eat" a box as a store show piece to be painted and left in a display case.

Eat another box as an intro game box, built and painted for play by anyone that walks into the store and expresses interest in learning more about the game.

The rest are still "in stock" but haven't sold to this day.

Meanwhile, blackshirt and I split the profits from ebay. but character models don't move well because people only need 1.

>>53773933

That paintjob is retarded. Rainbows do not look good aesthetically.

That said, I do like the streaking paint, and it would be awesome if it was just red or yellow and looked like the pilot didn't even wait for the paint to dry before taking off.

>>53774159
Are you trying to waac with SoB? (Celestine just now turn into SoB, she wasn't one before)
I never thought this day would come.

>>53774200
>tfw I bought one of those models from ebay yesterday because it was only a euro for it and I am starting a dark angels army.

>>53773381
>Not sure I can justify taking the Meka-Dread anymore though. Seems like it just isn't worth it over the Orkanauts or more Kans and Dreads.

Morkanaut costs 50% more and has all of 1 more toughness and wound. This thing looks pretty cost effective by power points at least.

>>53774200
GW had a colossal hardon about shipping special characters and models you only need one, instead of you know shit that people would actually buy

So a while back I won some new on sprew space marines from the burning on Prospero set. They look pretty generic (mark IV) but they have bolter, bolt pistol and a chainsword that attaches to their hips. Plus bits for a sergeant. I'm thinking they are Space wolves...

I know Burning of Prospero is 30k but would it be Kosher to use these guys as Grey Hunters for my 40K space wolves? And give them a 40K color scheme?

>>53774205
>Celestine just now turn into SoB, she wasn't one before
Celestine has always been SoB what are you on about?

>>53774227
Where are these forge-world 8th edition data sheets from? Are they all released?

>>53774205
Ya got me, spent the last 4 games playing against conscript/artillery guard and I've had enough. Ready to throw my DE army into the trash after the last few games.

>>53774238
Well, they're mark three, but they're entirely kosher for 40k. Fluff it as chapter relics and run a mostly veteran-based force

>>53774242
Warhammer Community is still giving us Daily tidbits and todays was on some forge world Xenos stuff. No they aren't leaked yet, just the preview stuff from the article.

>>53774238
>burning on Prospero
>MK IV
No.

>>53774241
At the end of 7th New Celestine prevented SoB units she join from using AoF.
Why? Because in order to use AoF you need to have one or WH. Celestine had neither nor said it allowed it.

Hence why she was not a SoB.

So the Y'vahra can fire 4D6 Str 4 shots if locked in melee with AP-1 with an ATS

Can't figure out whether you can fire both guns with the Nova profile or not

>>53774264
If I had some Space heads some some regular marine kits think the helmet update would look good? Or would they look bad with different heads?

>>53774278
I stand corrected Mark 3 Armor... Still early mark when I'm used to seeing much later generation armor. Still I don't play 30k, so I was guessing. Still was within a Mark so not too bad.

What was the difference between the III and the IV?

>>53774264
Also would run them as Wulfgaurd but I don't have enough power weapon bits I think. I'll have to check my supplies.

Unless you run your Wolfguard differently than I would think to

>>53774223
Thats why I have 11 now, they were $0.99 each and thought i could stuff 10 in a drop pod

>>53773882
Bait aside when are we going to get more fluff on hive fleets? I want a piece that isn't written by a human or eldar that just see them as xemos. I want a breakdown of the hive mind. What came first and whatnot.

Is there a good place to get ork flavored bits? Like does anyone just cast sigils and little skulls and armor plates and stuff somewhere?

Not looking to pay GW a small car loan just to be able to customize some vehicles and you can only go so far with plasticard.

>>53774385

I see that model so much all over eBay. It's embarrassing.

>>53774227

That still isn't worth it in my opinion.

Plus Orkanauts get more attacks and actually have more weapons.

And it's not bringing anything to the table that I can't just get elsewhere.

>>53774395

I know Kromlech has a good selection.

>>53774393
No fuck that, the mystery and unexplained parts of Tyranids are the best parts. The undermining of that with the omniscient narrator fluff of 5e and onwards is where nid fluff started going to shit.

so now that tyranids can ally with the imperial guard, should they replace their termagants with conscripts?

Should I keep a ratling detachment to deep strike in next to my raveners and plink out enemy commisars?

>Scions have to be outside of 9"
>they dont get to rapid fire their lasguns when they deepstrike
lame

>>53774403
The BS4+ would help but it doesn't change the fact that all its ranged weapon choices are hot garbage. The ratler kannon is the only one that is even remotely worth taking.

>>53774422

They are already rape machines can you imagine if their alpha strike was doubled?

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>>53772737
Rules for the Meka dread but not the mega dread?

its not in the index. as far as I know, they still sell it

>>53774430
>lasguns

>>53774422
If you have a Tempestor with them, they can advance and shoot at BS4+. So if you really want to rapid fire, you can do that.

Not really worth it, but still.

>>53774430
why are scions so good this edition?

Are the models in Gangs of Commoragh pre-assembled or something?
It's the only thing I've seen on the GW site where they don't show pictures of the sprue, there's no talk about interchangeable parts (I figured maybe just snap fit?) etc.

I figured it'd be odd, but maybe the idea was make it instant set up and play?

>>53774461
10 points each, -2 AP on their normal guns, deep striking, troops, 4 special weapons for 10 guys, command squads of 4 special weapons, Taurox Prime with Gatling is strong.

They got it all this edition.

>>53774451

Why doesn't it have a gorilla butt?

>>53774475
Nope. You get the actual kits.

>>53774413
I just want to see what would happen if a squad of gaunts gets left on a death world and if they can make their own hive fleet by evolving to survive. just give us more than "they are the doom of the galaxy"
Yes I want to justify the fluff of my army.

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>>53774200
>tfw my LGS can't afford to eat the starter sets
>we still have 2 unopened DV sets

>>53774506
>I just want to see what would happen if a squad of gaunts gets left on a death world
See: Catachan, and The Anphelion Project

>>53774422
>Not just taking Command Squads w/ Plasma

It's like you want to be t2

>>53774482
So they're 3 points less than a tactical for -1 str -1 t and 1 worse save on a gun that needs 5's on t4 and 6's on anything with t6.

Getting 4 specials is good, but without support they're going to land, fire once, and immediately vanish due to new morale rules.

Taurox is pretty amazing for its cost, though. That ones indisputable.

>>53774502
Sweet, thanks.

I'm thinking 2 SC boxes and the wyches I've got to start, add on a Gangs and then a void raven or something.

Probably pick up Lelith Hesperax in there somewhere.

>>53774520
Yep just what i wanted.
Tundra tyranids is a go

>>53774319
>whats the difference

Bruh. Do you have eyes? MkIII is pretty fucking distinct

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HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE STUPID NIGGER FAGGOTS AT FORT WORTH

>>53774561
UPS and GW can't into parcels. They think everything is an old school envelope letter

>>53774521
r8 my 2k list lads

6x Vanguard Detachment - 333 x 6 = 1998

Tempestor Prime - 45
Command Rod
Axe

3x Command Squad - 192
4x Plasma Gun

Taurox Prime - 96
Gatling, 2x HSVG

>>53774425

Sounds like its better off in melee.

But not surprising given Ork shooting got worse this edition.

>>53774561

UPS sucks. Use USPS instead.

>>53774536
As always, Scions were and currently for pin point suicide gun shooting. Get some cheap command squads with a Tempestor that has a Rod and you get 8 special weapons that can re-roll 1s to hit or wound.

Tacticals can't deepstrike without help. -2 AP is a much bigger difference than you realize. Bolters only have 0AP.

>tfw Taurox is strong but not OP
OK how long before they get nerfed into uselessness

>>53774611
Guard won't be nerfed. Everything else will be buffed.

>>53774517

Well tell him to stop eating them and try selling some instead.

>>53773798
Bottlecaps work, anon. Bottlecaps and foamboard for my orks.

>>53774617
Best case scenario desu

>>53774590
>>53774561
God I fucking hate UPS with a passion. I work as data entry for my job at a warehouse and see what shit comes in every day. USPS is 100% always on time. UPS will show up two fucking hours late with half my fucking boxes missing.

>>53774630
Agreed. Right now the Guard index is near perfect. Conscripts need a tax or something like they can't take orders. Otherwise great shit.

>>53773798

You know shits fucked when 40K uses movement trays and Fantasy doesn't.

>>53774655
Heavy Weapons Teams are a little too pushed too. Those could use a tiny points increase.

I feel like there still might be other imbalances beyond that but I won't jump to conclusions until we've all played more than half a week of games with the new rules.

>>53774660
i could use a movement tray for my barbarians in AoS tbqh famalam

>>53774636

USPS is government. UPS is private industry. Make of that what you will.

But, yeah, I've never had good experiences with UPS either, and always choose USPS if I have the option, even if it costs more. Well, it generally never costs more or comes standard for cheap/free, so there's also that.

>>53774520
Anphelion gives me boners

>>53774636
That's funny because it's the opposite here. Half my USPS get delivered to the wrong address, and I end up having to wait an extra week for them, because the person who got it has to take it to the post office, tell them it was misdelivered mail, and they have to try again.

>>53773381
>>So the Meka Dread lost character and can't join Dreadnought packs now?

Those rules would have no meaning now. Characters don't join units and since it's over 16 wounds it would gain any protection for being a character either. Plus most vehicle squadrons just work as a single deployment drop that operates as independent units now anyway.

>>53774675
8 points per HWT base would make a lot more sense, and nerf the 27-point bolter squad into a 39-point one.

>>53774675
I accept that. Heavy weapon squads should probably be like 30 points base instead of 12.

I just can't see them fixing the point costs for Guard though. Being so cheap means we have to buy tons of shit and we will do it to be top tier.

>>53774395
Modelsandminis.com has some exhausts.

>>53774708
I don't think it needs to be a full 8, since it isn't quite 2 guardsmen, since they're more vulnerable to weapons that deal multiple points of damage.

I would say 6 points would be fine. Enough to account for the extra wound and extra lasgun shot, but still factoring in that it's a single model

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>>53773202

>>53774728
Only one attack on a character unit? What is this low powered madness?

>>53773541
Formations were neat in Apocalypse because they fit with it's "just for fun" style and people liked them so GW decided "why not put them everywhere?" It also gave them easy "exclusive" content they could use to push their shitty weekly white dwarf.

>>53773541

That's the problem, they weren't thinking.

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>>53773202
more

Any good ork lists put together for 8th yet?

>>53774759
10 units of 30 boyz.

>>53774759
5x Nobz in a Naut screened by gretchin.

>>53774759
bubble cannon spam

>>53774590
It is usps. It even says so.

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>>53774759
Take a lot of 30 man Ork Boyz, a couple Blitza Bommers, and some Deffkoptas.

>>53774680
No you couldn't.

>>53774090

They'll probably get more options once a real kit is released. AoS you couldn't change up anything for the Dracoth guy, and once the kit was released he got all the options. Give it time. Same with the other units. GW is CLEARLY trying to keep this edition locked down on the copyright/conversion department. If a model doesn't exist with the wargear, it's no option. Regardless of the different load outs previously available. RIP lightning claw Chaplain. RIP Chapter Master.

>>53774759
four max units of boys, two warbosses, two painboys, all green-tiding it up the field. a bunch of MSU stormboys to screen, maybe some dakkajets, lootas, dreads/nauts/kans if you want, but they're suboptimal

>>53774561
DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT FORT WORTH. WE HAVE GOOD FOOD.

>>53774748
>Electro Priest
>S8

PRAISE THE SWOLESSIAH

>>53773759
>>53773735
>>53773722

>Always wanted to run an army like the Red Army circa the Great Patriotic War, i.e. throwing bodies on a fire until it's drowned in blood and corpses.
>Want to lose hundreds of models to take a single hill, rolling even more hundreds of dice.
>Want to see a single Conscript holding an objective, surrounded by the bodies of his comrades while holding high the standard the Emperor.

You people don't fucking understand fun.

>>53773916
AoS is a skirmish game, warhammer fantasy was not. thats the difference, i play 40k for skirimish, i played fantasy for big bricks of infantry and cavalry that could wheel, march and just have a gay old time with

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>>53774735
It was a different time.

The "attacks" aren't how many hits you can do. That's how many dice you roll (pick highest) + WS to see how many attacks you (potentially) hit your opponent with.

Attacker's xd6(highest) + WS - defender's xd6+WS = # hits

with a fuckton of modifiers

>>53774759
120 boyz, 60 grots.
Warboss and weirdboy.

r8 muh 2k list. Also, is there any disadvantage to mixing Space Marine chapter rules? I play Exorcists so I already got to pick what I wanted last edition, but is there anything stopping me?

2000/2000

Vanguard - 503

Tempestor Prime - 45
Command Rod, Axe

Inquisitor Coteaz - 100

5x Acolyte w/ Needle Pistols - 50

2x Command Squad - 128
4x Plasma

Commissar - 34
Sword

Taurox Prime - 96

Rough Riders - 50


Vanguard - 353

Tempestor Prime - 45
Command Rod, Axe

2x Command Squad - 128
4x Plasma

Command Squad
4x HSVG

Commissar - 34
Sword

Taurox Prime - 96
2x HSVG
Gatling Cannon

Rough Riders - 50


Vanguard - 1144

Tempestor Prime - 40
Command Rod

Command Squad - 72
4x HSVG

2x Scion Squad - 136
2x HSVG

3x 4-man Crusader Squads - (204)

Priest - 57
Eviscerator

2x Sororitas Rhino - (154)

Long Fangs - 172
4x Plasma Cannon
Plasma Gun

Dev Squad - 177
4x Grav Cannon

Leman Russ - 132

>>53774814
Buddy I played night goblins.
I know fun.

>>53774823
>That's how many dice you roll (pick highest) + WS to see how many attacks

I stopped reading there. I'm glad 3E happened, that's convoluted as fuck. I should not have to engage my brain this hard just to figure out how many times my fucking guy swings in melee. And I am not a stupid or unintellectual individual, that's simply a messy ass clusterfuck of a system.

>>53773541
Probably that they could add fluffy and fun unique bonuses to factions and really make them awesome to play.

The problem is that for about half the factions, Bob, the most Boring Man Alive designed the decurions, and for the other half, they hired a random selection of 6 year olds from the local chuck e. cheese to write down what seemed cool.

I give GW until they release the Space Marine codex to put out a completely imbalanced use of command points that completely breaks the game.

>>53774840
It's super easy though.

>>53774598
I've played some games and yeah it makes a big difference. I just don't think it's going to be as amazing as described. You're 100% throwing that unit away and once you've equipped specials to them they start costing more than marines. I'm just not sure in an edition where cheap bodies are everywhere that that's a good tactic anymore. The thinking behind it still seems kinda stuck in the last edition. A marine unit in a forest is going to have 4+ saves against that squad, you'll be totally reliant on the specials for any real damage.

>>53774840
it works great for model vs model, i.e. Necromunda.

But massive battles? Never mind. I got in during the last days of 2nd ed. Fucking cheesy Heroes with 3 saves dealing 10+ hits in HtH.

I do miss vortex grenades though.

>>53774862
>I do miss vortex grenades though.

You could still get them in Apocalypse in 6E and 7E.

Why does everyone use 2000 points now? Back in 4th/5th, my club typically ran 500, 750, 1000, and 1500 point games.

Model point costs don't seem to have been inflated too much since then, so has GW subtly influenced you all to buy more stuff?

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I've forgotten we used to have assault squads.

Actually, the 3rd ed regiments had a doctrine like this, right? Feral or something?

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I'VE HEARD STORIES OF YOUR INAPTITUDE

So whats the optimized meta for Astartes at the moment? Everything gets bolters, stormbolters, or lascannons; and you sprinkle some tanks and maybe a Land Raider in for shits and giggles?

>>53773636
Sisters have been theorized to be "squatted" for over 10 years now Anon. Like it or not, the Army is resilient enough to stay around...just never to be focused on.

Celestine sold exceptionally well and GW knows it. Sisters have been in a state of "just about done" for ages. They are just all stuck in CAD. GW never wants to sink the cost for the master molds.

Master molds cost a lot oupfront, so GW never wants to make new models that aren't going to sell.
GW basically is stuck ina loop with sisters. Design mediocre Army because you dont have models for anything. People dont want to buy ARmy because of shitty rules...so you never have the onus to make new models.

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>>53773108
>tfw they show me enough of duncan's fingertips that I can model his prints

>>53774854
I get what you mean, but 64 points for 4 deep striking BS3+ Plasma Guns is pretty cheap. It's not really that stuck in last edition if it has potential to nuke a vehicle or creature that's 3x its points in one go. At the very least it's a cheap unit that is likely to cripple something.

>>53774834
>random mishmash of scions and space wolves and templars
Fucking awful.

>>53774929
>templars
wat?

I play melee vanilla marines, and plan to use a terminator chaplain because I want to actually use the model.

Do you guys think it's worth taking 1-2 Primaris Lieutenants to fill an HQ tax to grab some more command points, and stack their re-roll to wound aura with the chaplain's re-roll to hit in melee aura? I like their models but I'm wondering if they're even worth taking.

>>53774910
They managed to break it with GKs. Someone over there just needs to be bold. Just once. Like with Mechanicus.

>>53774888
1500 was standard in 3rd and things slowly crept up to 1850 standard by 7th. 8th massively increased the cost on vehicles across the board, hence 2000. Unless you're running a pure infantry horde 2000 in 8th will be less, often much less than 1850 or even 1750 in 7th.

>>53774937
>4 man crusader squads
Unless this is another dumb unit with a similar name.

>>53774888

8E says 2000 points is the standard, and 2000 points in 8E if you don't use dumb lists like 600 Conscripts is actually closer to 1500 or 1850 in 7E.

Do reinforcement points only matter for creating whole units?

If I take a Tervigon and don't keep and reinforcement points aside, can I still return destroyed models to a Termagant unit?

>>53774925
Something I just realized. Stormtroopers used to be better than vets at plasma because you could make a save vs Gets Hot rolls. Now that it's either no roll or mortal wound, that advantage doesn't matter anymore. It's just the deep strike now. At least offensively.

What's a good explanation for a random marine or two to have GK Strike Squad backpacks?

I like their backpacks with the cool teleport sticks jutting out of them, and their fluff, but I know it makes no sense to have random faggot marines to have those teleport packs.

>>53774955
Yes.

>>53774955
Yes to both

>>53774940
People were crying for mechanicus for ages anon. It was always going to sell well, it wasnt a bold move it was inevitable

>>53774955

I think reinforcement points are required to spawn brand new units, but you can repair injured units to full health without spending points.

Not too sure, I didn't read the rules for that, I just know you need points to spawn shit with the Tervigon, but you don't need points to heal squads that lost guys.

>>53774958
>Stormtroopers used to be better than vets at plasma
a huge difference of +1sv

>>53774962

They're Blood Ravens, Carcharodons, or another chapter who are known for lifting and using shit from other organizations.

>>53774944
>4 man crusader squads
>4 man crusader
>4 man

What the fuck did you think it was? Bringing Black Templars with less-than-minimum dudes??

>>53774985
He doesn't want to pay for dat sergeant tax

>>53774840
>I should not have to engage my brain
>I am not a stupid

I'm hoping you mean that's convoluted for squad level combat (which it wouldn't be, if the squads themselves were just treated like a single entity). Because that shit's easy to follow.

>>53774966
>>53774968
>>53774975

Awesome. Thanks senpai

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hurr durr

>>53774904
> how do I be a massive faggot instead of playing what I like not what the Internet tells me to like,

>>53774990
If they WERE templar crusaders, I'd have to pay for the sergeants even if I didn't bring them.

>>53774953
Just realized, the 2k points is because of the vehicle/monster points hike across the board.

Which is why pure infantry armies got a buff. Other armies need the vehicles to be effective and they get to field less for more. Infantry didn't get a hike, and in many cases got cheaper.

>>53775004

Konor isn't going to save itself

>>53774985
I don't know, with a gay ass army that's a jumbled clusterfuck of marines and inquisition and guard I'm supposed to be able to tell when you're not bullshitting the rules?

>>53774995

You shouldn't have to "follow" it at all. Current rules simply tells you, with a single number, how many attacks you get. You shouldn't need a fucking formula to figure out a basic stat.

>>53774976
people used to pay 20 points for artificier armor

>>53774977
Dark Angel Ravenwing except on foot for some reason. Those guys still have teleport homers, right?

>>53774958
I mean vets had access to carapace too, at least in 5th and on.

Deepstrike makes quite the difference, especially now with how you be totally accurate as long as you're more than 9 inches away from an enemy. Automatically means you get 8 shots. Gets Hot rolls for overcharging becomes more expensive if you want to avoid that using a Tempestor Prime.

My personal plan is 2 Tempestor Primes and 4 Command squads. Right now I believe I have 8 Plasma Guns, 4 Meltas and 4 Hotshot Volley Guns. Some good old fashion back lines violation. Unless troops get something special, I'm just going to use command squads.

>>53775042
Not anymore. Also ravenwing teleport homers were beacons for deathwing deepstriking, not for the ravenwing themselves to actually teleport in.

>>53775042
>Ravenwing on foot

I lol'd. SEND IN THE FOOT CAVALRY

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>>53774944

>>53775026
Technically it wouldn't be bullshitting the rules, he'd just be dumb. It's stated that you CAN bring less than minimum, just have to pay the minimum price anyways.

>>53775032

Now you can't even buy artificer at all for marine HQs like the Captain.

>>53775069
lmao

>>53775064

This is why people call those Crusader Acolytes.

>>53775086
Not anymore. Acolytes are their own separate thing/squad now.

>>53775086
They aren't Acolytes, though. THAT's a different unit.

>>53775086
Those are called Crusaders, plural.

Black Templars have a Crusader squad, singular squadron.

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>>53773978
>reddit is of course all over its dick

>>53775099
>>53775100

Good job, GW. Well, people should still be able to tell they're not BT Crusaders just from context if you're looking at an army list, but this is going to get confusing real fast if people just drop the word "Crusader". Is it a Land Raider? Black Templars? Inquisition? Imperial Knight?

>>53775109
Of course plebbit loves it. If it has fags in it criticism is banned because that'd just be anti-homotransphobicism.

>>53775103
You never heard of people calling tactical squad members "tacticals" before?

>>53775134
BT have Crusader squads made up of Neophytes and Initiates

WH/DH have had Crusaders since 3.5

>>53775147
No, just marines.

>>53775134
Yeah with detachments blending like this it'll get fuckey.

So I'm looking at the new rules. I might be blind, but who fights first in a melee combat? Initiative is gone, so how is that determined?

I can't seem to find the rules for independent characters joining a unit in 8th, am I retarded or did they axe them?

>>53774626
Brian is that you?