Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for FSM are a good thing.

More like DORK Angels, am I right?

>>53768142
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>>53767419
Does in that include shooting phases?
Space marines shooting 19 pistols + d6 frag grenade vs 40 sluggas

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>>53768166
>Female space marines

>>53768207
Why are dark angels so homosexual?
I get their primarch is named after a gay painter or some shit but why did they decided to make them all gay?

For some inexplicable reason, GW will allow to rewrite or retcon as much fluff as you want. What do you rewrite/retcon?

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>>53768205
Bad thread. It's time to stop posting.

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It's always attention whoring weebs who start threads super early with incredibly bait-y editions. Smh

>>53768235

Oldcrons

GKs slaughtering bolter bitches

>>53768207
Anon, the Dark stands for Deep Dark Fantasy.

Someone make a new thread that isn't retarded please.

>>53768249
Welcome to /pfg/, enjoy your stay.

>>53768237
lol triggered

Why all the talk of fsm? Has something happened that I'm not aware of?

>>53768208
If CSM get brought into close combat by the boyz they're not going to have a good time of it. Best to fire bolters while moving backwards to keep out of close combat until you've killed enough to turn the combat in your favor and it also matters then who gets the charge off

CSM are given certain advantages over boyz, if you don't exploit those advantages then you should not be surprised if they underperform.

>>53768235
That Chaos is completely unstoppable. Ensure that we're back to the recently retconned 'if everyone dies, they die,' logic, but play up the moral conundrum that as long as the Imperium/galaxy survives, so does Chaos, and even if society or indoctrination suppresses the emotions that feed them they still lie there, watching and waiting in weakened form for disaster to strike once again, like some sort of horrible, parasitic cycle.

>>53768281
>u mad xdddddd
kill yourself

>>53768301
still mad

hey /40Kg/, where again did gw state that there'd be codices as well as the indices? i've been trying to find the post but i've had no luck

>>53768166
Female space marines are the AIDs of the 40k universe. Only a few people like them, and they won't just die so they stop spreading it to everyone else.

>>53768309
>le mad xd
Kill yourself

>>53768285
Naw. A lot of people just like to use them as a slippery slope argument for what will happen now that the Primaris marines are a thing.

So between the Leviathan Siege Dreadnought and the Gorkanaut-Morkanaut, which one puts out more damage?

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I'm never leaving home without a Callidus assassin ever again. It basically just erases a non named HQ from the game for 80 points.

>>53768285
It's just autism. Pure, uncontrolled autism.

Ignore and move on.

>>53768235
Almost everything from the start of 5th edition onwards.

Give every single Faction major victories and get rid of all the shit fluff of armies jobbing in their own Codexes (especially Nids and Orks, failed Black Crusades, etc.)

Refluff Space Marine Chapters to be larger and give every Chapter a homegrown IG Regiment that escorts and supports them (ie Baal Devils, Fenrisian Shield Maidens, Ultramar Regulars, Orphans of Caliban)

Humans are distantly related to Aeldari to explain why they look so similar.

Bring back the heavily gothic overtones of the setting with more tragic but heroic deaths instead of comic book superhero shit.

>>53768339
Is it cost effective against commisars?

>>53768376
Yes, but good luck getting to him behind his wall of conscripts.

>>53768390
This, why do people think they'll ever be able to charge a commissar?

>>53768339

Would you care to explain? I don't have the inclination to go and read their rules at the moment.

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I kinda like the idea of 5 Storm Bolter Dominions. That's almost as much dakka as flamer Dominions but with more range and flexibility at only 70 points for the squad.

>>53768408
Because ">having enough conscripts to blot out the map" is never going to be a relevant strategy, and the more common approach will be daisy chains, which will allow room for charging.

>>53768289
Once the mob gets dropped to around to less than 20 you should be good be good to melee.

>Just don't fail your charge.
>Shooting your bolt pistols should drop 5-6 Boyz.
>On Overwatch 20 Boyz do 0-1 USWs
>On charge your 19 CSMs should do kill about 10-11 more Boyz.
>But those "5" Boyz will drop 1-2 more CSMs

Rule of thumb 3 Sluggaboyz should on average drop 1 MEQ.

Plan accordingly.

>>53768166
Objectively correct verdict on Female Space Marines: fuck it.

Fluff your armies however you feel like it, I don't give a shit. It literally does not affect me in any meaningful way, and if you enjoy your own efforts and enjoy playing the game, good for you.

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What is the best Daemon Engine for a World Eaters army? The Maulerfind has piss-poor offensive power but is very fast and tough, while Helbrutes fare better in combat but they're complete glass cannons (only 8W and M8" vs maulerfiends M10" W12 heals one per turn, but only A4 WS4+ and degrades).

Defilers just suck. Expensive, innacurate, relatively slow and only 3 attacks. Then you have Heldrakes which are quite neat but don't have any real anti-vehicle options.

>>53768415

Can "deepstrike" within D6+3 and charge.

Is a melee assassin, meaning it owns any dedicated melee (but get slaughtered by mass attacks)

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>>53768285
Serious answer, there was a huge hubbub over pic related on tumblr recently. The creator had made an all-female space marine chapter called the Daughters of Persephone. It's actually not bad - an awful lot better than many homebrew chapters I've seen, and even several canon ones - but the amount that it contradicted the fluff triggered a lot of fanboys, who got very loud very fast. Trolls took notice and realized this could be used to their advantage.

>>53768425

I just need 4 conscripts to make a commissar unchangeable, maybe 3

>>53768408
I wanna know why they expect to be able to shoot a commissar. I mean, a couple Leman Russes, chimeras, tauroxes, or even wyverns parked between the troop lines provide perfect cover for anyone on a 25mm base.

>>53768446
is, "Meh, whatever their your dudes." acceptable?

>>53768322
I had a conversation with someone the other day and they said they hated the 40k community and blamed them for the lack of Female space marines.

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>>53768459
The fact that so much effort was put into the chapter, in fact, only seemed to make the autists even more angry. She had a well-painted group with names and backstories, like many people do for their homebrew chapter, and had even designed a symbol for the chapter, akin to the ultramarine U or the Crimson Fist.

>>53768420

but why would you ever not load dominions with the holy melta? (okay I admit i'm just saying that because that's how mine are currently built.

>>53768468
Diagram it out. Remember that multicharge is still a thing.

>>53768483
I will allow this.

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CADIA WAS A FALSE FLAG

>>53768489
Well damn. Those look pretty good.

>>53768457
Don't forget the d3 mortal wounds pistol that wounds if it beats the target's leadership with a roll of 3d6. Few characters survive through that and her close combat attacks. I've taken down Warbosses and Chaos Lords with ease.

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>>53768484
Top fucking kek. I hope they keep hating us, and stay the fuck out of my hobby.

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will there be codexes in 8th edition or just indexes??
indexes seem barebones

>>53768425
You don't need enough to blot out the map, you just need enough to prevent enemy models from being able to get within 1" of them. Stick the commissar smack in the direct center of a 50model conscript blob and he's untouchable, there's literally no reason not to do this unless you're hiding him out of LoS from snipers using >>53768480 method.

>>53768489
>flat colors
>well painted

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>>53768489
Of course, pic related being posted didn't precisely help the matter, and tumblr being what it is, the people who posted there are almost as bad as those here when it comes to letting something go. Neither side was blameless once it got going, but the creator didn't attempt to instigate things or post outside of their own circle.
>>53768483
Ironically, this exact phrasing was brought up, and the fact that they weren't dudes was the counterpoint

>>53768468
More than that. Remember they just have to get within an inch, not base to base. And you need to surround that fucker two layers thick against someone with fly or harlequins.

>>53768483
"Your dudes" is always acceptable. Doesn't make it good, but it is acceptable.

>>53768253
why do people want oldcrons back?

>>53768459
well yeah cos tumblr hair
that alone triggers neckbeards with 100% accuracy

>>53768520
Sticking your commisar in the middle of a unit prevents it from affecting multiple units. If you want to keep coverage, you've just increased your commisar tax and decreased your conscript density.

>>53768519
Read the fucking rulebook maybe

>>53768519
They are barebones because they need to hold us over till the Codexes can start rolling out. I think I heard Space Marines in July.

>>53768519

yes there will be codex's you retarded mong, they just aren't out yet.

>>53768459
My only problem is that these seems to have to feminine of faces.

Is it legal to run Khorne Berserkers in a Chaos Undivided army?

>>53768553
They were better than space tombkings with Pokémon.

>Want to buy Ork Weirdboy
>Out of stock online
>Go to ebay
>Only one is 65 dollars

Being orks is still suffering sometimes.

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>>53768446
GW could probably just put one line in a SM book that says female marines exist, then never make models for them, and 90% of players who want them will be satisfied.
They wouldn't exactly be difficult to convert and 3rd party stores would probably start selling them like they do with female guard.

>>53768525
>groin has female symbol on it

>>53768489
Jesus Christ that freehanded circle makes me so damn jealous!

>>53768446
>fuck it

Oh I'd fuck her all right

>>53768559
Also it dies to sniper fire if you just place it in the middle of the unit.

>>53768576
Is it really that bad? A buddy of mine was saying the same thing a few days ago.

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What is up with the terrible tiny face and weird spell thing.

>>53768570
Yes. You can put any and all units with the Chaos faction keyword in the same FOC.

>>53768576
I feel ya. The Ork Weirdboy model is fucking amazing.

Celestine is op

>>53768606
Its Nurgle. Its purpose is to be disgusting

>>53768571
no they weren't. How are emotionless terminator clones are better than space versions of the best faction is WHFB? And sharding the C'tan makes a lot of sense, otherwise they are either stupidly underpowered for gods or not able to be playable.

>>53768578
Buddy you're hearing hooves and assuming zebras

>>53768605
I'm very glad I still have ork shamans from whfb. Weirdboyz went from unused previously to basically mandatory 1+ in every ork army.

>>53768525
Objectively, all of this is a non-issue and will continue to be for as long as GW doesn't start making it canon. Granted, I would never play with someone so incapable of controlling their SJW autism even for a second that they committed blatant lore rape over it.

It really activates my almonds when a snowflake rapes the already inclusive fluff because he can't contain his desire to be special.

>>53768493

Cadded it up, it's 6

Still easy to do

>>53768489
>they don't even have bare female heads or greenstuff tits

The fuck? Just treat it like any other lost founding homebrew, they're all equally unfluffy. No point in sperging out over it unless it's some dumb SJW who unironically wants to force GW to change official canon.

>>53768606
He's casting Plague Wind, hence he's blowing the warp bullshit at his enemies. Does look a bit odd, though.

>>53768525
What do you mean they are totally dudes. Look, their tiny people with guns and rule of cool supporting them.

"Your Dudes" is a phrase independent of sex and gender. If you have a way cool staff working for you, and they are all women, they are still your dudes because they are dudettes. Much like a Princess when referred to in the general is a prince, a dudett in the general is a dude.

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If I do a terminator army allied with a knight, will i get poopoo'd on?

>>53768633
Are you talking about a full surround?

>>53768606
AutoCAD is the 5th Chaos God

>>53768205
What exactly is the draw of female space marines above sororitas? I am genuinly curious. If it's the rules outside of waac fags nobody is stoping you for proxing sisters for marines armies.

>>53768459
This art is shit.
>>53768489
But I'm a fan of these models.

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>>53768643
If your way of thinking was more popular, the world would be a better place.

>>53768637
She actually designed her own primarch for them as a response to people telling her that it didn't fit in. I believe her opinion was "Canon is only useful as long as we find it entertaining", or something of the sort - basically that the world should serve the players, not otherwise. This was well after many people had come out of the woodwork to yell at her, however.

Is an Eldar Ghost army viable in 8th? Thinking approx 1k points, with some wraithguard, blades, a spirit seer, and maybe a big guy? Or some travelling rangers joining up. Anyone got any idea how that can fare?

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>>53768492
Aside from perhaps Knights, 8th edition is looking horde-ish meta wise. Conscripts with Commissars, Cultists with Abaddon, Orks, Nids. All fearless Hordes and seemingly top tier. And even against vehicles meltaguns are no longer the god weapons they once were. Some meltaguns is no doubt still good, I think all meltaguns is a mistake. Flamers likely are still superior, mainly due to overwatch. But I like the fact that Storm Bolters can be considered a non-crazy option now. New storm bolters are one of my favorite bits of 8th.

>>53768669
Space marines are so genetically and cybernetically modified that they don't qualify as human anymore. People look at that, and think it's stupid the same can't be done with women for reasons.

>>53768669

Sororitas are too sexualized and Space Marines remain a maleclusive space. So of course radicals want to make Space Marines For All, which will open the way to the next advancement in the fight for equality tranny marines.

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>>53768669
Sisters are consistently shit on in the fluff.
Marines consistently win in the fluff.
People want to have the ones who represent them not just be there to lose.

>>53768669
Sisters of Battle:
> Lose every fight
> Old metal models
> Bodices and high heels in combat
> No real lore presence outside Celestine

Space Marines:
> Win every fight (often with Heavy Casualties, but they don't matter by next fight)
> Current and updated lore, involved in all the major battles
> Consistently updated and available minis
> What everyone thinks of when they think 40k, so creators' minds go to them often

>>53768680
I played a 1500pt game with 2 spirit seers, 2 units of wraithblades with sword, 2 units of scythe guard and a wraithknight with cannons against Genecult
Lost cause it was too slow in the end for objectives, but otherwise it held up rather well defensively.
D-scythes while powerful as fuck, still aren't as amazing as last edition
wraithknights will still amazing, are now 200pts more expensive, and aren't as unmanagable as before
wraithblades are *really* good
runes of battle is *really* good

>>53768709
I'd make a Nids comment but, yeah they get fucked all the time too don't they?

>>53768649
yes, but don't let that stop you

>>53768682

>Imperial Guard top tier
>Astartes mid tier
>Primaris mid to shit tier
>Talons of the Emperor shit tier

I guess I'll just go ahead and sell off my Astartes.

>>53768676
>"Canon is only useful as long as we find it entertaining", or something of the sort - basically that the world should serve the players, not otherwise.
Well she's more or less right. The two other primarchs being unknown was made specifically for shit like this.

I wish there was more Genestealer Cult fluff out there. I want to read more about my space-bug worshipping War Boys

>>53768652

Kinda. Conscript just within 1" range of the commissar, all around. Even with a base in contact with 2 conscripts you could not be within 1" of the commissar

>>53768709

The nose ring pisses me off so much. Fucking tumblr.

>>53768632
Honestly if GW wanted to the Primarius marines would have been a good way to sneak in female marines, because they were something "new" and if they were made in a new way (any kind of new way. Hell make them the Artificial children of the Primarchs bred from artifical stock taken from original genetic samples of the primarchs so they are literally the children of their respective Primarch and you explain every difference they have and don't make Fabius look like a idiot).

It would mean that an all female chapter would need to be 100% Primarus marines but...I doubt anyone would complain too much. Big lore fans already don't like Chad marines so no lost sales there, and SJW types can buy new kits. Everyone else can be totally indifferent to it since most of them will be wearing helmets anyway you'd never know if it was male or female in that heavy armor unless you saw the face.

>>53768696

1200 horsepower engine swapped turbocharged race cars barely qualify as production cars

That doesn't mean I'm going to waste all that time and money modding a shit car instead of a good one. The only time people "waste" these enhancements on an old junker or shitty econobox is to make a sleeper and go undetected

So ironically, female space marines are offensive to women, because they imply the Emperor would only make female astartes to hide their strength under the guise of weak females

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>>53768669
It would help if SoB or SoS were supported a bit more than the bare minimum.

But for me its because I to do a female army but I'm not a fan of sexy dominatrix religious fanatics. Space Marines can literally do anything they want when it comes to culture or beliefs, it's the main draw of the faction.

>>53768235
GSC actually retain their consciousness when absorbed and continue to serve the Hive Fleet in the future

>>53768775
>if i make a tortured car analogy and ignore every other conceivable reason, it means female space marines are sexist.

I cringed pretty hard.

>>53768669
It is way simple.
Boys only clubs are a huge no for some
People

Girls only club are ok and encourage

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>>53768775
Possibly. I think you're missing a point, though - people want female space marines for non-lore related reasons and then find the way to make them in the lore.

>>53768699
People who think sisters are sexualized are idiots.

They're chaste religious warriors.

Just cause us neckbeards think they are hot doesn't make them sexualized.

>>53768235

Attempts are periodically made to implant space marine geneseed into women. It always results in horribly deformed monstrosities screaming in mind shattering agony until they're mercy killed.

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Any ideas on what to put in to bring this up to 2k points? Open to some cuts, but I'd rather preserve the core of it.

well at least if GW makes female marines legal I can have waifu minis in my chapter

>>53768520
reminder that the same people babbling about conscript spam do not understand the game, as shown here.

I dont understand the appeal of an all female or male army. But i play space bugs so i guess such things are trivial.

>>53768618
is its purpose to look stupid?

>>53768649
Not as much as before though. Since you'll have a fairly low model count, and low shot count compared to a army full of less elite choices.

>>53768819

A Gaunt book reveals that sisters sneak out of the convent to get themselves a good occasional dicking

>>53768735
Couldn't all of that be solved without making female space marines?
And there are plenty of under represented marine chapters so what if the same problems are just placed in another subfaction of marines ala black templars.
I would much rather just havve sister given a bigger spotlight instead of more versions of marines

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>>53768699
>tranny marines.
Slaanesh kind of already makes them a thing.

>>53768809

The analogy is simple and apt. Females are generally physically inferior to men for the purposes the Emperor wanted for Astartes. Even the finest female specimens are inferior to the finest males, despite being stronger than most lesser men.

So why would you waste all those super soldier resources on women? Especially with the added sex hurdle.

Cringe all you want, you're cringing at nothing but your own lack of reading comprehension.

Are Death Guard shooty or melee-ey

>>53768738
Are D-Scythes better than Wraithcannons? They have more range and damage than the scythes. How about a Vanguard detatchment?

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>>53768606
Face looks bad, I agree. The spell effect stuff is something they did a lot in fantasy.

>>53768877

they're fuck-you-I don't-die-ey

>>53768819
The question is their presentation and their aesthetic, not their action. You can have the most chaste nun ever, but a proper camera (Or, in this case, writer) could make them into a sexual bombshell ready to explode just through rephrasing it.
>>53768859
That would be ideal, but idealism doesn't get you half as far as you'd hope. The main thought is to have the ability to explore the space, to make female members of a 40k group that aren't habitually known for losing and make it okay to make things like daughters of persephone without it derailing threads and causing problems.

Dunno if it's particularly smart to post in this thread, but how does this shape up? Have my tired eyes fucked up anything in particular?

Company Commander with Maul and Plasma Pistol = 39pts
Company Commander with Maul and Plasma Pistol = 39pts
Tempestor Prime with Command Rod and Power Maul = 44pts
Scions with 4 Plasmaguns and Vox = 129pts
Taurox Prime with Battle Cannon and Autocannon = 118pts
Scions with 4 Vollyguns and Vox = 127pts
Taurox Prime with Gatling Cannon and Vollyguns = 96pts
Infantry Squad with Plasmagun, Mortar and Vox = 57pts X2
Infantry Squad with Plasmagun, H.Bolter and Vox = 60pts X2
Command Squad with Lascannon, Sniper and Vox = 51pts X2
Scion Command squad with 3 Vollyguns and Vox = 69pts
Taurox Prime with Gatling Cannon and Vollyguns = 96pts
Ratling Squad = 31pts X2
Rough Riders with two Flamers, Maul and Bolt Pistol = 119pts X2
Armoured Sentinels with Autocannon and Chainsaws = 171pts
Two Basilisks with H. Bolters = 216pts
Heavy Weapon Squad with three Lascannon = 72pts X2

Total 1932pts

>>53768838

Tyranids are all female, scrub.

>>53768621
>best faction
>not ogres
Their sole purpose of killing everything and not stopping was better than being even more Saturday morning cartoon villains when chaos was enough.

>>53768784
I think people underestimate thw amount of variety Sisters of Battle could have in fluff. Forms of Emperor worship vary from place to place, and Orders in locations would be shaped by local culture and beliefs in a similar way to marines.

The main problem is being metal and covered in detail instead of plastic, so it's hard to make a squad of sisters look less like catholic nuns and more like native shamans or whatever you want.

>>53768235
I'd rewrite Fall of Cadia almost from the ground up, vastly decrease and downplay CSM casualties all over the book, replace all the crippling Deus ex Machinas with mere delaying actions. Have Typhus and the Terminus Est participate and wreak faces everywhere. Have Abbadon actually kill Celestine but do it with the Talon of Horus so she can revive and extract Creed before he's killed too. Then have him teleport away when he realizes the IMPERIUM just blew up one of their Blackstone Fortresses and threw the pieces at the planet as a scorched earth tactic.

Completely scrap Bel'akor's disastrous assault on the Imperial fists. Seriously, what the fuck.

Flesh out the rise of the Ynnrisea bit more to make it seem less rushed.

Have Magnus attack on Luna the same, but instead of his forces being steamrolled by alien reinforcements have them roll over the loyalists until the Eldar arrive, and have them fail to take down Magnus even then. Have him blatantly knock out Guilliman unconscious, then have the Eldar distract him while Guilliman is pulled to safety. Just when the stalemate is about to break in favor of the Thousand Sons, BAM Cawl arrives with an army of Primaris and a huge Mechanicus fleet, forcing the Thousand Sons to retreat.

>>53768875
And the fact that space marines are made to be tools of mankind, not to supplant them. Not giving them the ability to breed with each other is a perfectly rational explanation.

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>>53768376
>>53768468
>>53768559

The awnser is Skitarii

Vanguard have Assault 3, so even a 10 man squad is putting out 30 shots. Either put them in cover, or use the Psalm shroud canticle to get to +3. Or, use your re-rolling ones to increase damage out put. Str 3 guns means they're wounding on 4's, and hitting on 3's, so they should be cutting down swathes of the enemy. If that's not enough, or if they're weak enough, charge in, and start wounding on +3 because they lower the conscripts to T2. If you really want to be mean, pop machine might and wound on +2.

Bring a MSU of rangers with 2 Arquebuses to snipe commisars, while giving supporting fire with their rifles to help snipe Key Commisars.

Kataphron Destroyers are rolling in with plenty of dakka, with Grav cannons to help spit out str5 shots, with either flamers or stubbers.

Infiltrators with Taser/Flechettes will spit out absurd amounts of shot's and attacks. Drop a 10 man squad in, and drop 50 shots from their flechettes into the conscripts, since Flechettes are Pistol 5 and str 3, so they are ALSO wounding on 4's. And they will be in range, since they can appear within 9". And this is befofe they assault, with 30 attacks each, making 2 more attacks on 6's, which will also wound on 2's, since its str 6.

Kastellan are even funnier, even if you just throw them at the enemy. 36 phosphor blaster shots a turn will be shot from these bad boys, but if they are so inclined to shoot at them with lasguns, you can use your Invuln save to inflict the damage right back at them, since it mortal wounds on every Successful roll of 6. Sure, you might whipe them out, but it will certainly wipe out some conscripts as well.

And, as a bonus, all of these units can be used outside of anti-conscript tactics.

>>53768875
The strength of space marines doesn't come from the base physical aspects, it comes from the mental aspects and the physical augmentations. Disregarding anyone with the mental fortitude to be a space marine is wasteful inb4womenarementallyweak.

>>53768819
The boob plate is somewhat gratuitous but I forgive that since I think they would have struggled to convey that they are female at all with GWs female face sculpting ability at the time.

How are Grey Knights looking this edition? Can i get away with Interceptors and PAGK heavy compositions?

right.

in 7E i never picked up flyers(well i picked up one at first but then promptly never used it after making/building... it was a dakkajet) because i couldn't be bothered with the extra nonsense it came with and in my store flyers were seen as too good.

Now in 8E i wanted to full bask in the madness which is a full speedfreak army so i got an extra 2 flyers (another dakkajet and a wazbomber) and i have not received any comment about how im going cheese.

I was wondering if the same things have been happening to you guys(and gals) The case of no one is batting an eye at silly ideas whereas in 7E it was judging 24/7.

>>53768425
>daisy chains
ORKS CONFIRMED WAAC TIER

>>53768709
At least this one has a female soldiers haircut...
that's my big beef. It's like this artist never bothered to research what real women in a army look like.

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>>53768606
Forgeworld makes an alternative Nurgle Sorc.

>>53768920

Pretty decent, smites galore

>>53768892
Really? They seem like generic marine clones.

>>53768819
yeah man there's nothing sexual about the boob cup armor with fleur de lys nipples, or the bondage penetration mechs

fluffwise yeah theyre chaste religious warriors but their visual design is kinda shit. Which is a shame cause I love the black with gold accents and felur iconography. I just want my girls to be wearing sensible breastplates, or for the intentionally unarmored members like Repentia to have full robes instead of Dark Eldar-tier bondage gear on

>>53768899
This neatly dovetails with the female space marine discussion; having newcrons allows people to explore a design space and make things more Your Dudes. Newcrons allow you to make a variety of things, depending on what you'd enjoy out of the game, while still using the Necron rules.
>>53768900
Could have doesn't mean does have, and the more steps you have to take yourself rather than provided by the company, the more people are going to look at you odd and dismiss your work.

>>53768946

The disgustingly resilient feature should keep them going longer than most meq's.

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>>53768929
to be fair, most 40k artists have no idea what kind of hair is appropriate for military settings. It isn't about realism, it's about a small notion of idealism.

>>53768946
They're tough as nails but with offensive output only marginally better than a Tactical squad.

>>53768963

You actually could get that under a helmet if you braided it and pulled it back I think.

>>53768885
you lose out on single target damage, but can kill a whole lot more models.
the really huge things that you needed the 5 d6 damage shots against, the wraithknight can cover, especially now that heavy cannons as assault 2 each

>>53768903
make fall of cadia even more retarded by having chaos win even harder?
KYS chaos fag

>>53768963
...sephiroth?

>>53768669
>What exactly is the draw of female space marines
it bothers autists and pedantic people

>>53768818
Ynari Eldar in power armor actively aiding Gorlymen is less bullshit than female space marines.

>>53768908

You're dumb if you think growing muscles via the testosterone released by geneseed isn't more efficiently done in men.

They'd simply need to change the lore so that women are just as viable as men for the neophyte process. But at the moment that isn't the fluff, so sit the fuck down

>>53768952
>design space

Wrong thread, Hungerford. Go home lol

Nu crons are a tough one for me. On one hand I miss their 3rd, and prior edition flavor, on the other hand now we have trazyn. I'm not sure how I feel about this.

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>>53768903

There is very little of that that would be good, or even make sense. I agree Fall of Cadia had problems, but damn what you are proposing is a right shit show.

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>>53768903
I fully believe that both End Times and Fall of Cadia were written by the same group of people, and it's two different cliques at GW. One enjoys complexity and doesn't care about power creep, enjoying writing a very specific sort of grand, amazing story that will often ultimately fall flat because of the universe they're writing it in. The other enjoys simplistic rules, using the story as an excuse to throw dice around, and beer and pretzels gaming.

While the first group is writing the grand, epic edition-ending stories, the other one is making the new edition. This is how we wound up with shit like Belakor vs. Imperial Fists, and also how we wound up with a rule about riding a fake horse around.

This also explains incredibly different power levels; one group wants everything their models can do represented in the rules, to match the fluff, and damn the power creep. The other just wants to put rules to something and throw it against their mates to see what it can do.

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>>53768819
They're all wearing corsets. They're at least somewhat sexualized.

>>53769004
>hey they should change the lore
>no fag, they'd have to change the lore to do that, so fuck off
...Are you legitimately retarded?

>>53768959
So it's a normal marine but with an unreliable 33% chance to ignore a wound. Meh.

>>53768709

Yeah but to be fair the Sisters can't really compete with a lot of their opposition when said opposition has better arms and numbers than they do.

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>>53768996
>phyrric victory in what should have been a roflstomp due to how battered the imperials were
>still gets butt-blasted for the simple fact that he lost because he's that much of a fanboy
lmao

>>53768821
Thats already in there.

Why are Obliterators so dogshit now?
>No powerfists anymore
>Still Toughness 4
>Move 4"
>Shitty damage
Why not just get a predator now?

>>53769024

if you pick up plague marines as troops i'm pretty sure they get a T bump as well.

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So in my last game against tyranids, the only models that really accomplished anything were my terminators and contemptor dreadnought. This list cranks that to 11. My friend is selling me the Space Hulk terminators.

>>53768821

Considering that GW just pulled "super" SM out of their collective rear end, because apparently the Emperor did not do a good enough job the first time, they could have it work out just as easily. Heck, compared to the above idea, I'd say gimme T4 bolter bitches any day of the week.

>>53768895
...This is probably correct since Nids are based on hive insects. The Males (i.e. drones) are probably locked away hidden on the hive ship tending to the Norn queen, and basically being her boy bitches like like with Ants and Bees.

So yeah...gaunts and warriors, and every bug you see...99% chance it's female. Not that you can tell or give a shit. It's a space bug here to eat your face, now kill them with fire! Get the Raid! DIE YOU 6 LEGGED FUCKERS!

Sorry...still have flash backs to 3e and 4e every time I see 'Nids.

>>53768920
Strike squads seem pretty insane value for points - 21 points a pop for force weapon and storm bolter, with the ability to deep strike *and* toss out Smites.

>>53769024
Ask Necron players how big that can be, especially across your whole army.

>>53769040

Speaking of which, anyone knows some well done hombrew for obliterators in Black Crusade?

>>53768950
>I just want a completely different aesthetic from the setting

Then go play Mass Effect you faggot

>>53768952
Newcrons makes you play wannabe chaos sans the OWO notice me Khorne/Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaneesh-sama ugu pls I love u.

>>53769024
Toughness 5.

>>53768952
My point is more that the difficulty in doing 'your dudes' for sisters is more a factor of them being metal and not getting much focus, rather than anything intrinsic about them.

>>53768606
Why does his staff look more like it belongs to sylvaneth than nurgle

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>>53768907
>And, as a bonus, all of these units can be used outside of anti-conscript tactics.

I think that's what makes Admech so good at this. It's not that they're the most optimized anti-Conscript force ever, they're not, it's that a regular Admech list will easily be able to make a decent fist of dealing with 50/100 Conscripts given a lot of their units have handy anti-horde as a side job.

Crawlers have two Heavy Stubbers each, Kastelans kill on 2+ no saves with 36 shots, Infiltrators have tazer and a decent number of S6 attacks, Dragoons are basically invulnerable to them due to -1 To Hit and T6, Rangers butcher Commissars as well as any other character and Vanguard are very nice line troops to meet a Conscript advance with, with decent dakka and the ability to 2+ wound in melee with +1S canticle.

Nothing groundbreaking, but all handy.

>>53769050
But that's multiple uses, not one off. Necrons are much tougher than plague marines

>>53769010
It'd be an actual stalemate, with an actually logical reason to bring out the Chadmarines, and one that very much fits the grimdark, last stand of humanity theme of the setting instead of the comic book superhero-tier shit that we got.

You're welcome to propose a better alternative though.

>>53769076
Completely agreed.

>>53769072

and reroll to wound in melee.

>>53769020

You were using current lore as a rebuttal you stupid faggot. This discussion isn't even about changing the lore to begin with it's about people trying to shoehorn femarines into the current lore

Are YOU retarded?

>>53768992
How's this for a basic 1k with no real competitive streak?

Vanguard Detatchment:
HQ - Spiritseer w/ shuriken pistol, witchstaff - 66
Elites: 5 Wraithguard w/ Wraithcannons - 200
5 Wraithguard w/ Wraithcannons - 200
10 Wraithblades w/ Ghostswords, Force Shields - 430
Troops - 5 Rangers w/ long rifles - 100
996/1000

>>53769068
>completely different aesthetic fromt he setting
>no one else is wearing cereal-bowls on their chests
>I already said the constant pointless religious iconography is my favorite part

it's okay anon, I know reading is hard.

>>53769072
>toughness mattering jack diddly dick without the wound chart
Strength 3 wounds you on a 5+.

>>53769072
That affects like 2 guns. 2 wounds has much bigger impact.

Primaris Marines are tougher than Death Guard, kinda sucks

>>53769047
Isn't it somewhere in the fluff that hormagaunts don't even have stomachs? They're literally mouth and claw chaff with a half life.

Unrelated, any good conversions on how to make contemporary hormagaunts look a but more like the old sculpts? The pewter ones were cancer but a unit of ten of them had a super aggressive profile.

>>53768339
>Deploying a non-beatstick HQ anywhere but the backfield

They got what they deserved

>>53769107
Ethnicity is a much larger indication of physical strength and endurance than sex, and yet male space marines are pulled from a wide variety of ethnicities.

>>53768447

None. Wait for FW to release their stuff and hope they did a better job then GW in designing their chaos units.

>>53769116

Strength 4 wounds you on 5+ and it's the most common overall.

>>53769040
At least they're not Mutilators

>>53769134

bullshit

>>53769086
Because their staves are grown from rotwood from Nurgle's Garden.

>>53769118
Yeah but 3+ then 5+ to shrug off the wound also helps death guard be just as tough if not tougher than 5. with no chance to shrug off even moral wounds.

>>53769108
looks good enough to me.

consider splitting the 10 man scythe unit into 5 man units.
There are pros and cons to both, so ymmv

anyone try out the macro cannon or vortex missle battery in 8th? or any other fortifications for that matter. ran the bastion, was ok gonna try out some vengeance weapon batteries

>>53769134
Haha you just pulled that out of your ass, there's hardly any difference in physical strength based on race, while the difference in sex is huge

>>53769107
I don't think current lore is a valid reason. It basically amounts to "no girls cause they're icky", when if you look at the facts surrounding space marines (more machined and designed than created), they would work fine as women.

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>>53769086
The Garden of Nurgle is a thing.

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>>53769131
>pic related

>>53769047
There are no male or female tyranids. Since tyranids do active genetic manipulation to the extend that they designed specific breeds for specific combat situations, and can adjust those even in preperation for certain enviroments, there is zero need for reprodution through different individual specimens. The norn queens are just gaint flying living genetic labarotry/wombs in space, and that's all the tyranids need.

>>53769136
Not with the conscript horde meta it ain't.

>>53769113

Eldar, dark Eldar, inquisitors, all have titplate

Show me one single non titplate female armor

Even the men wear abplate

>>53769134
Nah, not really. A male chink will still steamroll a female slav.

>>53768577
No. Leave it up to people to do what they want with "their dudes." Making an official statement would cause a shitsttorm the scale of which we have never seen.

>>53769118
and by 2 guns I assume you mean anything in the game with 4 or 5 strength, like the overwhelming majority of basic infantry weaponry and melee from anyone not named imperial guard

since things that wound a normal marine on 4+ wound plaguey the aids mascot on 5+, and things that wound a marine on 3+ wound a plague marine on 4+.

>>53769163
That's just pee pee posting from /tg/

Unless it specifically mentions mortal wounds, they still go through. See the Eldar.

>>53769192

Conscript are currently the top tier unit, but this does not mean everyone will go out and buy $500 of guard.

>>53769193
When even numarins have boobplates on their armour you know that armoured tits are all the rage right now.

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>>53769193

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>>53768903
Honestly, I think the fall of Cadia really needed to be more human centric, rather than space marines. I agree with you mostly, but I would: Keep Celestine alive, as she is the Emperor's chosen saint and the first plastic SoB, and deserves to get a big spotlight. Plus, I think her helping fight abbadon is cool. But get rid of the dumb null field some how helping chaos. That was dumb. Instead, have Abbadon sucessfully destroy the generator in a last ditch attempt, and have him actually pass up the chance to kill creed, in favor of achieving his victory.

However; get rid of Grayfax, and instead, have Trazyn release Lord Solar Macharius. Have him coordinate the imperial counter attack that drives Chaos off the planet, only to have Abbadon destroy the black stone fortress. Than, have Trazyn backstab/save creed at the last moment. This way, we can get each of the human imperiums biggest war powers in one triumverate:

Imperial Guard
Ministorium
Adeptus Mechanicus

Are generic chapter masters no longer a thing?

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>>53769193
>Even the men wear Nippleplate
FTFY

>>53769113
I'm not even sure GW knows it, but if you look at humans with power armour. Their armour is a stereotype of the human body.

Look at the few Inquisitor models with power armour. Some have nipples and abs grafted in the armour itself.
There is a theme in human aesthetic too show off you are human.

If GW is aware of that style now I'm not sure. Since I haven't seen recent power armored humans recently beside SoB

>>53769170
Except that's not what the current lore is and no it wouldnt

>>53769225
People still bought Riptide Wing so I wouldn't put it past them.

>>53769170
I'm pretty sure it had more to do with a combination of sculpting ability and super old fluff written in the 80s or early 90s by history nerds creating a sci-fi setting. It's not far fetched to think you could make some female marines, it's also not far fetched to think that may be a hassle and more time consuming. At the end of the day the product would resemble the space marine mini, so go headswapping if you want and let's get the thread back on track from an OP shitpost.

>>53768848

There is no Gaunt book that says this.

Do we really have to have this same old tired arguement that we've all seen so many times we can literally predict with nearly perfect accuracy exactly what is going to be said?

>muh sexual dimorphism
>they're just engineered anyway
>there isn't that big of a difference anyway
>are you stupid of course there is a difference

over and over again for hundreds of replies. Why? Fucking why?

>>53769230
Okay thats kind of amazing

>>53769218
That was mentioned when they fought that on the 40k Twitch game of the box set. Mortal wounds are once you apply them are just a wound. The Disgustingly resilient can then erase the wound.

So yeah Disgustingly Resilient works on mortal wounds.

>>53769092
8th reanimation kind of blows. You only get to roll at the beginning of your turn so when they inevitably shoot and charge a unit they get wiped out.

I think Deathguard are the kings of durability now.

>>53769238
>they should be painted as gems

>>53769261
Kind of puts the boob-plate argument bullshittery into perspective, doesn't it?

>>53769256
Autism. It wouldn't be such an effective troll topic if there weren't a bunch of people in this very thread with severe woman related issues ready to lash out at the slightest provocation.

OP knew this.

>>53769170
>It basically amounts to "no girls cause they're icky"
It's "no girls because it turns out tissue compatibility is important"

You do realize the large majority of men aren't capable of being space marines either, right? It takes the population of an entire planet to maintain a single chapter of ~1000, and sometimes that isn't even enough.

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>>53769131
>>53769178
Just posing them with the arms up goes a long way. If you want to go even further then carve off the second set of limbs and replacing them with an additional set of forelimbs would give more a of 2nd. ed. HGaunt look.

>>53769250
It was a Cain book.

Where SoB turn from turbo killing machine to teenagers girls when around guardsmen and guardswomen

Why are conscripts better than boyz or gaunts?

>>53769277
I mean look at the blood angels their geneseed is only getting worse and more recruits die to just being turned into space marines each year.

>make female space marine
>one is a librarian
>becomes one with the hive mind as they're both the same on a base level
>everyone but the orks gets eaten by gaunts in power armor
Wow.

>>53769164
Scythes as in Wraithblades? I was thinking that a 10-man unit might be needed to get an important objective or to either act as distraction carnifex or wreck any big dudes.

I can't wait to see all those primaris faggots playing with bases because their inceptors stands have unglued from the model after half a turn due to that 1mm^2 contact surface.
Kek

The best reason for no space marines is that females are more valuable for reproduction than for war, especially as space marines are quite uncommon in the first place. If you sterilize a quarter of the women and a quarter of the men in a population, it will regrow far slower than if you sterilize half the men, so in this system there is no reason to use women at all.

Also, with the guard having millions of soldiers, sure you can have women in it, they die and shoot the same as men and that's what the guard is basically for.
But with space marines you might as well have the naturally biggest, strongest, and fastest humans you can get, and they will all be male.

>>53769202
>you will never have a qt Amazonian beauty from a foreign country wrap her glistening thighs around your head in a chokehold

honestly I'd forgive most of my problems with sisters if we got models who's faces dont look like absolute garbage, and give me the fucking Celestian command squad back

my Cannoness has a bodyguard of 4 power-axe Celestians and 8e doesnt make them a legal unit any more give me back the heavy assault sisters GW

first Repentia get like 3 nerfs and now this, GW please what did sisters do to you

show me on the plastic primaris mini where the nuns touched you

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>>53769088
God, for emotionless Robomen, Skitarii do pose a lot.

>>53768775
>1200 horsepower engine swapped turbocharged race cars barely qualify as production cars

>That doesn't mean I'm going to waste all that time and money modding a shit car instead of a good one. The only time people "waste" these enhancements on an old junker or shitty econobox is to make a sleeper and go undetected

As if you have any idea what you're talking about, idiota. Your post is barely readable.

>>53769290
>Cain
Oh so it's invalid.
Proud servants of the emperor would never falter.

>>53769231
>have Trazyn release Lord Solar Macharius
what
no

FUCK no. Bringing macharius back from the dead would be retarded. Just focus on the ground war with the cadians.

>>53768905
Why does this argument keep coming up? The stuff that makes a marine a marine are implanted, the offspring of a SM would just be a normal human until they get their own implants. If SM aren't already sterile.

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>>53769193
>Show me one single non titplate female armor

>>53769263
Rules written down>Offhand Twitch comments.

Custodes HQ???

>>53769315
SoB got the nid plate.

Someone in GW got constantly table by that one SoB player so who he made sure to dick over SoB every chance he could

>>53769309
>wanting your qt Amazonian beauty from a foreign country to be the dom
Shit taste famalam

>>53769275
>if you argue that Nazis should be tried for war crimes you must be some kind of autist with Nazi related problems

>>53769307

The problem stems from the very concept of the Space Marine itself. It is not a perfect human being. It is a mass produced version of a genetic superfreak of a soldier, authorized by the galaxy's greatest authoritarian. It is not safe, it does not magically make everyone stronger, and it requires the strongest of the strong for the geneseed to even work right.

But most people's understand of a Space Marine is surface level only.

>>53769295
Larger hordes per unit and are cheaper per model.
Boyz cap at 30 a mob, gaunts at 30 too I think. Never saw more than 16 in a unit.

>>53769231
>have yet another bullshit deus ex machina completely reverse all the chaos gains while also causing massive casualties in an offensive that should have been a roflstomp in the first place due to the utterly shit state the imperial defenses were in
Hahaha, fuck you. Let chaos have an actual ground victory for once, thanks. Keep in mind chaos had already been beaten off the surface before the book, losing yet again in the very first battle of the Gathering Storm would make us look extremely incompetent.

I retain my position that it should have been the imperials who crashed the Blackstone Fortress. Sensible scorched-earth tactics instead of desperate last-ditch attempt to save a disastrous offensive from becoming a catastrophic defeat.

>>53769328
It is Inquisitorial duty.

>>53768166
Any scotbros up?

>>53768847

>>53768744
The difference is Nids have the- admittedly really fucking stupid- excuse of Codexes explaining shit from the perspective of the winner in lore to get across actual units information thus making them look weaker when in reality if you survive/beat Nids in lore it's amazing.

Let's ignore the fact this excuse basically pretends Genestealer cults can't write or didn't praise Tyrannids because lol separate armies.

This is opposed to Sisters who have basically been constantly irrelevant, don't have the excuse of "People only writing about them if they survive an encounter" and any non tabletop lore has just been them being plastered across pavement. In reality this is more the fault of GW not focusing on shit that isn't Space Marines that should be addressed rather than "hey let's expand Space Marines to be both genders because it's progressive and I want my in game representative to win" which is stupid and petty.

>>53769178
I miss the old carnifex and hormugaunts, every in the nid line looks like mister potato man dinosaurs now.


How does /tg/ think basic Marine spam would work now? I dusted off my old charcharadons and the army is 30 tacticals and 30 assaults (though back then you could switch tactical bolters with CCW's in charc armies so it's actually 60 tacs). And 4 dreadnauts with some terms thrown in.

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Guys, how do you like my fluffy ynnari army?

>>53769304
Is it bad that I wanted to glue unfelt ore and Celestine straight to their bases via their feet?

Less ostentatious and easier to transport. My army is all about elegant minimalism, like FW's marine designs vs GW's.

*eyeroll*

Guys, c'mon. If people want to have their army of fantasy futuristic bioengineered killing machines be female, let 'em. Is it *really* that big of a deal?

>>53769369
The game seems to favour high model counts so battle company lists are probably a lot better than they were.

>>53769383
Does not count for Yannari
You need at least one DEldar or Harli unit in there.

>>53769344
She's sub, but you like femdom and she's trying to make you happy.

>>53769303
Yep, not sure why I said scythes.

msu units:
suffer less from morale
suffer less from overkill

but:
are harder to hit with aura buffs
can be interrupted in combat.

So consider what you really want. If you have both 5 man units hanging around the spiritseer, then it acts to all intents and purposes like 1 unit of 10, but it can't lose more than 5 models from one round of shooting, and can't lose more than 1 (and the final) model from morale (they have ld9, right?)

>>53769383

Not good?

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>>53769352
You forgot your picture!

>>53769383
Is this fluffy pr are you joking? I don't know because I thought wraithknights and eldar got nerfed really hard but I want to make a jetbike list and have a wraithknight still on the sprue. How would you play such a list?

>>53769365
>anyone who so much as smiles at you gets shot
I don't see it lasting in effectiveness.

>>53769315
Give them Shields, strapped to their backs is necessary, and run them as counts as Crusaders.

Aside from GW wanting sales, is there any special reason why founding legions, now chapters, are so special and good compared to the rest?

Surely over 10k years they're all composed of different marines etched.

Like the ship of Theseus

>>53769290
except that wasn't in the Cain book either.

It was a basically retired SoB, who now works as a teacher, therefore someone who routinely is around male is a social environment and has time for social interaction, has a sexual relationship with another teacher.
Who is a member of the administratum, not the guard.

While there is a scene where they show partly trained teenage girls showing some attraction to teenage boys (SHOCKING!), they aren't sneaking around at night.

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>>53769267
>And now we need to paint the nipples. We'll start off with some Caliban Green for the basecoat, then highlight with Warpstone Glow. Then we'll use a small amount of White Scar for the reflections, and you can finish off with some 'Ard coat for a nice gloss finish, but if you want to is entirely up to you. Now remember to use a fine detail brush, and get a nice fine tip on it by twisting it just like that.

>>53769383
Pretty shit now that soulburst doesn't work on Wraithknights.

>>53769363
>Chaos thinks they're relevant

Good luck planning that 14th crusade abad-on, try not to get impaled by a little girl this time.

>>53769410

I assume you are saying this from a fluff stand point?

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So /tg/, what the fuck do I do to counter this list?

Please, no chadmarine shit, actual answers.

>>53768804
Wait. WHAT. WHAT. WHY. HOW.

>>53769454
Fluffwise they have huge influence and the loyalty of their successors and loads of old legion stuff as well as powerful connections with the navy and titan legions.

>>53769290
As much as I love Ciaphus Cain, that's fucking dumb. Sisters are supposed to be even bigger fanatics than marines, with all the focus on martyr's and redemption via death. Stuff like them willingly joining Repentia squads or self mutiliation. That's like saying Storm Troopers act like teenage boys.

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>I want to play as a group of strong female in this distopian, horrific setting
>no, not THAT group of strong females, the ones in the all boys club

Christ, I'm tired of this shit. Just wait till the MGTOW meninists start demanding boys be allowed in the 'siblings of battle'. Are people hitting uber-meme mode cause of the pressure of 8th or have summerfags really gotten a lot worse?

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>>53769476
>only 14
You're an amateur painter.

>>53769483
Conscripts

>>53769337
It wasn't off hand. It was "Okay this is how this works."
"Oh so does this work against mortal wounds?"
"Yes, it absolutely works against mortal wounds."

Later in the game. "Oh and there see he make his disgustingly resilient roll [against a mortal wound]

>>53769483
get some earplugs

>>53768566
source?

>>53769483
Arty + gunline, or anything at all with high AP and mobility.

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>>53769398
>*eyeroll*
If you'e actually being serious, there's absolutely nothing stopping those people from converting their armies however they please.

However most won't, because that would require effort. Much easier to bitch about it online.

So under the new equipment costs a Techmarine no longer has to pay extra to replace its Power Axe? I can have a Techmarine armed with a Power Sword, which probably compliments his Servo Arm better. Was hoping I could equip one with a Bolt Rifle but I know that isn't possible.

>>53769513
So what's my custodes HQ?

>>53769454

It's just momentum

>>53769534
You want a source on whether GW will release dozens of massively profitable books with little new information that will still sell out in a few hours because they allow game breaking new combos?

>>53769500
see >>53769463
There barely trained teenager on a mostly peaceful world in a coed enviroment. It's saying teenage girls act like teenage girls.

The Cain books also show a reclusive convent with fully trained SoB. Their so fanatical Cain finds them a tactical liability as they push to far forward and open holes in a defensive line.

>>53769508
>projected course

Lets get to 1st base before we aim for homeplate

>>53769500

Driven, really physically active people, with lots of stress and a high chance of dying? I bet you that Storm troopers and Sisters both have very active sex lives when the opportunity presents itself. They may be fanatical and well trained, but they are human. Besides, the imperial creed doesn't have the same morals about sex as say Christianity, any more than they have the same opinions about killing people.

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>>53769333
There needs to be another character for the Triumverate. Macharius is a cool character from the lore who is no longer in the lore.

Or, in exchange, Trazyn could release another Imperial Guard hero. Ciaphus Cain could be a cool character, or fuck, maybe even Sly Marbo. I just want somebody else besides Greyfax.

>>53769479
Well I'll admit I haven't cracked the new Idex for Elder, and Yanari but I know in 7e you had to have a mix between 2 eldar factions. Elder and Dark Elder, Elder and Harli. Dark Elder and Harli

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>>53768166
So I've got a question about how a rule is worded, want to make sure I play it right

High Marshall Helbrecht has the following rule

"chapter master: You can reroll any failed hit rolls for friendly Black Templars units within 6" of High Marshall Helbrecht."

This means specifically close combat hit rolls right? Thats what "hit" rolls usually meant in 7th. The thing is I haven't seen anything that specifies whether it's actually close combat, shooting, or both in 8th. I don't want to use it the wrong way and find out it's only for shooting or something.

thanks.

>>53768762
why

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>>53769506

>>53769506
>A bunch of effeminate men in power armor.

Isn't that the blood angels?

has anyone scanned the new army books into the mega in the OP yet? I didn't see them but I may be retarded.

>>53769536
I think the noise marines would outshoot any comparable gunline, and the 8 lascannons and 8 autocannons would make short work of any artillery resistance.

>>53769451
270 post too late bro.

>>53769593

You are wrong on both accounts. Neither in 7th nor in 8th must you mix factions to have a Ynnari army.

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>>53768249
this
>>53768166
wtf man? too soon. oh yeah, and HERSEY

>>53768621
Plus if people want to play Oldcrons I'm sure I read something about a Tomb World in the fluff that basically lost the free will and personality data for the populace. Mix in a shard allowed to roam free with a hint of its own original persona controlling those dudes and bam. Oldcrons minus Pariahs.

>>53769594
It says any hit rolls, so shooting as well.

>>53769263
>>53769337
>>53769513
>>53769557
Does the rule say "suffers a wound" or "has lost a wound".
I know the wording is dumb, and they should have been consistent, but work with me.
In xeno 1 index we clearly see "suffers a wound" "suffers a mortal wound" and "suffers a wound or mortal wound" as three distinct rules. So mortal wounds only are effected when listed.

But nurgle rules says "loses a wound", different wording. Mortal wounds cause the model to lose a wound, just like normal wounds. So their rule effects both.
Should have been worded "suffers a wound or mortal wound" for clarity, but it still works.

>>53769392
It's not bad. Just straight normal.
In a similar fashion, I didn't really like how they portrayed most of the godlike characters in the game, which I don't really love seeing in-game over regular models

>>53769594

It works on shooting too, all marine officers have that ability now

>>53769609
No. No one is going to bother when the photos are good enough for now and the actual ebook copies will be out in a week.

>>53769588
>There needs to be another character for the Triumverate.
or they could just release the plastic inquisitor everyone and their dog has been asking for since the 80's

>Macharius is a cool character from the lore who is no longer in the lore.
Because he died. Him dying is a rather important part of his whole story, that would immediately be ruined if they brought him back.

>>53769568
yes. i want the source because one of my friends is a super autistic fuckhead who won't believe anything without a source

>>53769585
In fact, where the hell is it explicitly stated that sororitas take vows of chastity? So many seem to consider it canon, where in fact it's nothing more than projecting.

>>53769594
if it meant close combat it would have said "in the fight subphase".
if it meant just shooting it would have said "when shooting".
No qualifiers means that any time you roll to hit with any weapons, range or melee.

>>53769363
It's the fall of Cadia man; you have to have some measure of victory for the Imperials. Besides, if they have a blackstone fortress, why destroy it AND Cadia?

>>53769656

As far as i know it isn't explicitly stated. People just take the space nuns meme and run with it.

>>53769557
Your Custodes HQ? Go watch the Tallons of the Emperor bat rep where they Reviewed the Entire Custodes list and went over every thing the guy brought in detail.

if I remember right it's a Squad Leader, but I'm not 100% because I was not paying as much attention to that battle as I don't own any Bannamen.

Why this thread dont like Defilers?

So if you charge a unit from around a corner, are you immune to overwatch?

>>53769506
Misters of battle would be funny though.

>>53769613
If they got that much better in 8th, go for it. But IG or Tau would definitely outrange everything but the Autocanons and lascanons.

>>53769506
Okay, pal.

why are Dark Eldar models so small? Feels like they're tiny and with so many sharp edges, could break at any moment.

They look so cool though...

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>>53769649
Source is page 175 of the rulebook.

>>53769648
They should just release everything people have been asking since 80's

Hell I'd be happy if all models made before 2007 got an update.

>>53769495
That's not really true; most genesteelers try to run away though to other planets.

>>53769649
Well unless you're his tard-wrangler tell him to fuck off, where does he think the rules for things like the hover tank will come from if not codices or does he assume chadmarines will never have a single transport or other option? GW will always release new books.

>>53769686
thank you, anon. now, there will be peace in my little group... until the next shitshow happens.

>>53769677
Over costed shit model

>>53769656
No where it is just a meme.

At most it has been said they are more marine than marines in regards to their dedication to being monk like warrior soldier church thingies.

>>53769649
Show him what's happened with AoS? The newest factions are the strongest by virtue of being the only armies with customization and unique powers and wargear since GW only released codices for the armies that got new models. There have been at least 4 sigmarine codex updates for each time they have gotten new models. The armies that have not gotten codices are okay to play casually but get bland quickly

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>dominus
>2 Lord Commissars with powerfists
[will convert using datasmith n' whatever shit looks cool]
>2 sets of 5 Infiltrators with swords (though good on paper, I've found tasers are meh)
>10 Fulgurite rave-priests
>2 sets of 40 memescripts
[will convert using FW tech-thralls]
>2 sets of three gravaphrons with phosphor blasters (cheeky for dealing units in cover)
>Onager Dunecrawler: neutron deletbeam or flyer deletarray
>imperial Knight-warden: Gatling Cannon, reaper chainsword, stormspear rocket pod

HAVE A NICE DAY FELLOW ACOLYTES

>>53769685
Because the entire plastic range was refreshed comparatively recently and they scaled them properly.

tried to read the thread but gave up after hitting 6 text walls in a row

something something people angry about female space marines again?

>>53769703
where's all this hostility coming from, anon? do you want to talk about it?

>>53769712
But its cool

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>>53769677
Craaaaaaaaabs

>>53769636
The wording is "Would Lose a wound"

The sporocyst has rules for a spore node, but doesn't mention how many spore nodes it has, or what weapons it replaces or anything.

Does it just start with a spore node?

>>53769734
What part of

>shit model

Did you miss?

>>53769677
I like defilers :3
shame they have crap rules

>>53769722

The best part about that range is how everything uses the same shit. The dark lance in the Scourge box is the exact same one in the Warriors box.

>>53769728
More like
>something something butchering the fluff to sooth my autism