EDH/Commander General

>>53767605
>What do you think of the Metamorphosis 2.0 changes?
doesnt effect edh
so i dont care

>>53767542
A good suggestion is to fill the deck with a bunch of low cost life gain spells to be able to trigger Extort as many times as possible while keeping enough mana for Karlov to deal with large threats as they arrive. Creature tokens would also be a good idea.

>this sperg who lurked for 8 hours just to include the discord
Hilarious. Remember, include a magic card in the OP or people won't reply.

>>53767605
I like having one single large set rather than blocks. I always end up not caring about the second set anyway, and it was really bad when they were doing 3 sets.
Also I'm glad they realized that they need to tone down the Gatewatch

>>53767628

Whenever I try to find the post explaining the changes it says I don't have access

Can anybody link to me the new announcements?

>>53767662
Basically build EDH Soul Sisters with plenty of life-based draw to recover after wipes. It's a lot of fun

>>53767706
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/metamorphosis-2-0-2017-06-12
Here you go anon

>>53767706
I can give you a good TLDR if thi

#1—The Fall, Winter, and Spring Sets Will All Be Large Sets That Are Drafted Alone. Blocks no longer exist, sets may be connected, or not.

#2—The Summer Set Will Be a Revamped Core Set

#3—Less Gatewatch characters/cards

#4—The Masterpieces Series are now case by case basis, no longer going to be in every set.

>>53767769
I'm actually pretty okay with this.

>>53767769
I kinda like that they're dialing back the masterpiece series. They should be more special and rare, not just a shitty $15 Divert on a horrible card frame.

>>53767812
I really couldn't see a reason to complain.

Ever since I started magic in in early theros I was always confused by the artificial constraint of having every thing stuck in blocks.


Why make R&D job harder by forcing everything into this pattern?

>>53767769
on paper it sounds good, but I'm sure there will be plenty of time to bungle it in practice

>>53767628
It kind of does, since reintroducing Core Sets lets them do reprints better.

What's the angriest you guys have been with edh?

For me it was this
>friend is new to magic
>he's friends with everyone in my playgroup
>let him use one of my simpler decks so he can get hang of the game.
> decide to play after everyone got off work the next night.
> let friend borrow deck so he can look at the cards and have our roommate explain to him how to play the game.
> friend I let borrow deck is a smoker but I didn't think much of it since the cards are double sleeved and in a satin tower
> apparently friend decided to smoke while our other friend was explaining to him how to play
> after we play I take my cards back.
> next morning I notice the deck he used smelled like cigarette smoke
> cards themselves didn't smell but still pissed because the sleeves reek and since they were eclipse sleeves I had to pay about 15 for 100 plus all the time it took to double sleeve and the cost of the perfect fit sleeves.
>pretty expensive deck too with a lot of sentimental value since it was stuff I've collected over years of playing
> friend just lost his job, flunked out of school , and is horribly depressed so I'd feel bad about bringing it up or asking him to replace the sleeves because he'd feel even worse the he already does.

Does anyone know how to get rid of cigarette smell off of sleeves?
I tried washing them a bit but it only helped slightly

>>53767931
>they will reprint anything edh relevant
>they will reprint anything relevant

>>53767931
That was my thought also. Core sets also seemed to have a wider variety of mythics/rares that you couldnt find in the non-core.


>>53768008
They reprint plenty of neat stuff in core sets, also new things that are completely EDH relevant.

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>been playing magic for 4 years
>essay due in 6 hours
>suddenly interest in EDH skyrockets

>>53768052
i dont know what decks your running, but i doubt shock, runeclaw bear, unsummon, generic 1 drop soldier, and vampiric bat makes it in most edh decks

>>53767981
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/327980-how-can-i-get-cigarette-smoke-smell-out-of-cards

Some of the same ideas should work, I'd imagine.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hazzy-razzy/
need to pull 7 cards for it to be playable, any suggestions

>>53768068
I shitpost on here and browse edhrec and tappedout while at work. EDH is the best distraction for boring shit

>>53768106
thanks man I appreciate it.
I mean if it doesn't work I'll just have to buy new sleeves but it's still a shitty situation

>>53768104
Yisan came from core sets, same with boonweaver.

The fucking titan cycle came from a core set.

>>53768104
Let's take a gander at M15.
>Boonweaver Giant
>Chord of Calling
>Hornet Queen
>Painland Cycle
>Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

Imagine how long it would take them to get an opportunity to reprint, say, Urborg in a Standard set otherwise?

>>53767880
The only problem I have is there is the potential for six planes in a single Standard rotation, so there may not be as much variety as the article would imply.

>>53768104

Unsummon is highly underrated, and anyway those are jus commons (not to mention, back in the day, there were good commons in core like doom blade)

I would love to be able to draft a new core set and pick up random eternal witnesses, oblivion rings, and such

>>53768121
Cut some of the less effective aggro/burn cards. I'm looking at: Volcanic Fallout, Electrickery, Shrine of Burning Rage, Furyblade Vampire, Skarrgan Firebird, Paragon of Fierce Defiance, and Shard Phoenix.

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>>53768337
They're not printing Oblivion Ring anymore.

>>53768412

That one is fine too

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>>53768433
You do miss out on a few cute interactions.

>>53768524

Oh definitely, but I still wouldn't mind having more banishing lights on hand for random decks

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How would you build Nin? What I've got right now is a bunch of token generation and creatures/spells that do damage based on cards in hand.

>>53768612
Darksteel plate and it's Ilk are much better than tokens. Stuffy doll, myr, reef worm, chasm skulker.

I have a Mizzix question: What are the most used win cons for her?
My deck was designed to have a lot of board bounce spells (politics/disruption), a lot of 2 CMC or less draw spells, not that many creatures and at least 10 different counterspells.

My wins seems to come from either annoyingly long games where people run out of steam and I can start wrecking their fields or repeated Capsize/Fanning the Flames.
While I don't mind the deck winning in long games, I'd rather it not be EVERY game.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

>>53768612

Ehh, I would just go more control, and use her ability on random utility dorks like solemn sim and trinket mage, you only need one target for her ability

Oh and a darksteel plate so nin can get real kinky

>>53768719

Extra turns

It's pretty easy to howl of the horde a time stretch once you get going

>>53768719

My friends mizzix deck wins turn 4 regularly, if he untaps with mizzix it's over, he goes off with extra turns

>>53768612
Infinite mana and force your opponents to draw their own decks as punishment for having the audacity to play creatures. Also some cute things like stuffy doll and control elements with Young Pyromancer and Talrand to give you tokens to feed to Nin

>>53767605
>discord

Stop putting that cancerous reddit shit in the OP holy fuck

>>53768719
My friends gameplan is to build up counters as fast as possible, and then keep playing high impact cmc spells.

eventually combo out via storm, and usually with mind's desire.

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>>53768728
I don't know whether this bends the rules or not, and I don't care. It's too relevant to resist.

>>53768805
If you don't like it, don't go there. I don't, but it's one fucking line in an OP that's not even remotely pushing its character cap. We lose literally nothing.

I want to get/make a WG or Bant Populate/Copy/ETB value deck. I already have Xenagos Ramp, Melek and Mazirek combo. What WG or Bant commander should I get that is different enough my others, but also fit the archetype?

>I play Mind Over Matter
Okay
>I play Temple Bell
In response, I Naturalize Mind Over Matter
>...
...
>In response I activate Temple Bell
You...can't. It's on the stack.
>I can activate Temple Bell at instant speed
Sure, but it hasn't hit the board yet
>...I don't think that's how that works.

This is an actual conversation I had last night with a guy who has played Magic for five years that I know of. How do you handle people who are just so very wrong about the rules?

>>53768978
GO over the rules on spell resolution.

>>53768728
>>53768790
I completely forgot about stuffy doll. Definitely using that.

>>53767605
>What do you think of the Metamorphosis 2.0 changes?

Anything with less Jacetice League is a good thing. Also glad to see core sets making a return, it'll hopefully open up some slots in the main sets for new stuff instead of trying to make reprints or functions. Having said that, I don't think we'll get anything too exciting from them, as anything that needs to be reprinted for Eternal formats is "too powerful" for Standard.

>>53767981
Sounds like it's all on you buddy. If your that anal about keeping your cards nice and even remotely pristine you don't lend them out period. Or at least be honest with the expectations of others handling your stuff.
Just buy new sleeves and and forget about it.

>>53768975

Derevi is pretty cool with tokens and populate, untapping lands and what not is fun

Trostani is literally populate: the commander, but there's also Rhys for token making, and tolsimir wolf blood also seems playable for gw tokens

>>53768978

Somtimes people just get confused, especially if there's some wishful thinking going on

Just be patient and explain

>>53768975
I have that deck with Jenara since she's nonthreatening, cheap and gives you something to do when you draw all your token copy shit but have 0 dudes.

>>53768256
>Hornet Queen
Oh yes!
I love her :3

>>53767605
>Metamorphosis 2.0 changes?

Them saying they are going to focus on new players in core sets is just a nice way of saying fuck you we are not going to make the game cheaper cause the good cards are to complicated for new players

>>53767605
>>discord

>DIS
>CORD

FUCKING

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Too many cards in Laquatus felt underwhelming. Now it's Oona. Win through either Doomsday or infinite mana through several methods, pumped into Oona to mill people out.

>>53767605
Is it weird that I've had real edh games that went like the pug pasta? I was focus fired in one game for attacking somebody with my magus of the wheel because "that's not what the card is for"

>>53769453
To be honest, I really just want a commander which I can blink stuff with Deadeye and Populate Angel of Sanctions with

>>53770999

Roon sounds like it would be good for you then

>>53770999

Spitting image is a fun card

>>53770896
I think the appeal of pug posting is that it happens to all of us or that we are the butt of the joke sometimes.

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>tfw cards arrive in the mail

Almost have everything for Daxos now. There are some cute interactions I'd never even thought about until I started looking at what cards to use.

>>53770896
That's why the pasta is so good.

>>53771185
You better be running Skybind and Doomwake Giant.

>>53771222
Yeah. Doomwake is one of the few cards that hasn't arrived yet.

>>53771256
I wish you better luck than I had with Blaxos. He always did look fun

>>53771524
I'm putting him together for less spiky games, so I'm hoping he's able to do just alright.

>>53768853
>>53768769
So basically storm, extra turns and big bad high CMC spells are my (most popular) Mizzix wincon choices?

>>53771820
I would also put it out there that Reiterate Combo's are a thing, esspecially with Fireminds Forsight.

Grab Reiterate, Reset, and Lightning Bolt. Cast Reset, in response Reiterate With Buyback, get infinite mana, Lightning Bolt, Reiterated enough to kill everybody.

It is an instant speed combo, that with 3 counters on Mizzex Costs 2UUURRR with just Foresight in hand.

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I'm getting tired of Gonti stealstuff.dec and want to play Gonti but with F L I C K E R shit and reanimation too.

Wrexial/Lazav/or Grixis Marchesa for this?

>>53768719
I crammed in proliferate to my mizzix, its easy to win when your spells cost 2 mana and deal 50 damage wth buyback. I get to durdle with planeswalkers so its fun to pilot and you still get to win.

>>53772295
The lack of Planeswalkers in my Mizzix is a conscious choice (to avoid putting any sort of bulls eye on myself), but out of curiosity, which Planeswalkers?

>>53772339
I only run a few; teferi, ralzarek, jtms, jace unraveller of secrets, and baby jace. Only baby jace and ralzarek are actually wincons the other walkers are tempo shields that force all eyes off mizzix.

>>53767981
Tough situation, but since it seems like you don't have the expectation that he replace them, that makes it easier. Try something like:
>hey, could you please avoid smoking while playing with my cards, I ended up having to replace the sleeves since they reeked of cigs.
>I'm not trying to make you feel bad or anything like that.
>I just wanted to be clear with what I was asking and the reason for it.

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Pick an underpowered commander and try to make it playable.

For Shimatsu, I'd add the following:
>When Shimatsu enters the battlefield, it deals damage equal to the number of +1/+1 counters on it to target player and each creature he or she controls.

Initially I thought of only making damage players, making him sort of a red Maga, but I thought that would still be weak (Shimatsu simply sucks too much).
Though I realize that hitting the player's creatures makes him broken with Repercussion...

>>53772059
Whoa weird, I just finished up ordering my SILUMGARED deck. UW is the best if you want MUH FLICKER. There's no good on theme esper commanders for flickering shit, so you might have to go Oloro for the color and gudstuff.

>>53772702
Wrong thread you want the custom card thread.

>>53772736
Ew, fuck Oloro. I considered Silumgar but I'm afraid people would just catch on.

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wow, this card is pretty strong

>>53769949
Didn't the article say that the new "core" sets would be half reprints?

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>>53773272
Burn their hopes.

>>53773341
Reprintd focused for new players. Not likely to be tournament staples but made some chase rares if we're lucky.

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cards that are better in foreign languages

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>>53773390
you're thinking too small-scale here

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>>53773561

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>>53773729
ah yes the classic

>>53773609
>using this will deal double the damage of Volcano Hellion to yourself

Nervous laughter.

>>53768121
What's the point of Worldgorger Dragon in this list?
Easy cut.
I would also replace Apocalypse because Hazoret can't survive the exile. With Jokalhaups, he can.

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>>53773827
Maniacal laughter.

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I feel like I should run this in gitrog even though it will only net 1 draw

>>53769890
>:3
nice b8 m8

>>53773747
I specifically got that version of him for my B/R dragons deck. I cannot help but say his name in an exaggerated spanish accent.

>>53772736
>>53772763
Play Merieke and flicker the stuff you steal for permanent theft, obviously.

>>53773905
Now I'm feeling it

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>>53774015
i'm right there with you

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Anyone have a link to a xenagos deck that is as competitive as possible?

>>53774314
isn't a competitive xenagos deck just xenagos, ramp, and all the best 6-drops in the colors?

>>53774392
>>53774314

i dont think you need THAT many good fatties considering each one gets haste and double damage

the rest of the deck besides ramp and fatties should be good cheap removal, card draw, and recursion for your fatties that get killed

>>53774314
Make sure you have Putrefax, it's a one touch kill with Xeno and any pump. Deus of Calamity as well.

>>53774434
yeah, you're right.

i like xenagos as a card in the 99 but using him as your frontman seems like it would get stale, especially with a really tuned list. i guess if you're looking to close out 1v1 games in 5 minutes he's probably good, though.

Hey weren't we supposed to get a bunch of spoilers today? Maro say that there was gonna be a bunch of shit. What gives?

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>>53771185
On the subject of ordering cards online, where is best to order from if you're on the West Coast best coast of Canada?

>>53774539

idk one guy in my playgroup had him and i dont think it got stale

i mean you can say any tuned list is gonna get stale because it has lots of tutors, but thats never happened to me, the only time a deck has gotten less fun over time is when its too good or too bad for my playgroup. evenly matched decks never get stale for me

if you really have ADD that hard and need more randomness, just skip the tutors but build the rest of the deck competitively

>>53774606

tcg player lets you find the best deals, like if you dont care about slightly played cards, you can shave a dollar or two here and there, and buy only from the sellers with the best listed prices

but the downside is that they come from different sellers, so they all come at different times

cardkingdom's prices are pretty high, but they generally have everything you need and they are based in seattle so you would get the cards pretty quick

>>53773390
Insult + Blasphemous Act + stuffy doll or similar

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>>53773561

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Sweet jesus I love Brago.

>playing against buddy at the flgs
>he's rocking some $900 Hapatra monstrosity that insta-gibs my two "fun" decks
>swap over to the ol' brago
>things start off well, he revs up his combo, I durdle into a dampening matrix, linvala, ichor wellspring and prophetic prism
>he krosan grip's my dampening matrix, despite linvala
>next turn I drop Exclusion ritual
>exile his commander
>recognizing the endless fuckery about to be unleashed, he demonic tutor's golgari charm to blow it up
>falling right into my trap
>I drop Brago, poke him the next turn, and cast Rout for 7 mana during the flicker
>wind up drawing 2 additional cards every turn, leading to a hand filled with counters, daxos of meletis, linvala, and brago on the board, with his creakwood liege
>win by casting mirrorweave on his creakwood while his board is empty, and swinging with a bunch of pumped craziness
>to top it all off, I even exiled his popped dark depths with swords to plowshares
>remember why I love this deck, and also never play it

Any underrated or interesting cards to put in an Omnath deck?
I'm currently looking through all landfall cards for some fun ones to put in.

>>53774967
I always forget to specify, sorry, Locus of Rage.

>>53774967
>>53774974
put the minecraft card in it. it's not good but it's funny.

>>53774791
>next turn I drop Exclusion ritual
>exile his commander

You realize that doesn't stop them from casting it again, right? It's a static ability that continually references the exiled card. If no card is in exile, say because of the replacement effect or something like Pull from Eternity, it does nothing.

>>53774791
>cast Rout for 7 mana during the flicker
You know they leave and return with no inbetween, right?

>>53775033
Of course, which is why I run Nevermore, Darksteel Mutation and Phyrexian revoker.

>>53775036
>choose the order of etbs
>at the end of choosing the etbs cast rout
>rout resolves with nothing on the field, or very few things on your field, based on the stack
>boardwipe city
I'm pretty sure that's how this works.

>>53775054
No, 100% wrong. You are a cheater.

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>>53774967
>>53775022
if you're playing enough rampant growth effects, not getting a land drop is totally worth drawing two extra cards a turn. also works pretty alright with titania, even if it is just one per turn.

>>53774791
Nice cheating, Anon.

>>53775083
"Attribute not to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"

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>>53775115

>>53775114
>>53775083
>Hey anon, that doesn't work that way
>Oh, my bad, i thought it did. Now I know.
Not that hard, the other player not knowing the ruling is just as at fault, if it wasn't intentionally misrepresenting the rules.

>>53771185
you're using Starfield of Nyx too right?

>>53775115
What if I find stupidity adequately malicious?

>>53775137
This is a clear case of 'RTFC'.

>>53775054
I'm trying to figure out why he tried to use Golgari Charm then.

i pathed zedruu in response to a steel golem on the stack today.

feels pretty good.

>>53775221
Because Brago will flicker it, exiling basically your entire board, particularly if strionic comes out, or it's paired with duplicant/phyrexian ingester. It's even spicier because it specifies nonland permanent

>>53775206
Then you are petty

>>53775206
>This is a clear case of 'RTFC'.
>instant speed board wipe
>complicated stack of ETBs from brago
>you have permanents being exiled, returning to play untapped
Nah, nothing about any of those cards implies that ruling.

>>53768612
I would put kusari-Gama in there as a way to fuck with blocking math for other players.

>>53775279
>complicated

If you're an idiot, maybe.

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>>53773830
Causes my board to survive when combo'd

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>>53775258
Thanks. Improving mankind one petty act at a time.

>>53775279
Sure, whatever happens AFTER the flicker might turn into a complicated board, but this has nothing to do with trying to jam an instant during a single trigger trying to resolve.

You resolve any trigger as a whole. It even indicates this linguistictly on the card with the word 'then'.

So. RTFC.

>>53775279
There is zero ambiguity in the situation. You cannot do anything "during the flicker" with Brago. There is only "before the flicker" and "after the flicker, and you absolutely never have any opportunity to do anything during the time the permanents have left the battlefield and will return.

It's as clear cut as it can possibly be.

>>53775373
That's not a rebuttal, anon. It isn't complicated unless you're too dumb to understand how a very simple flicker effect works.

Which precon deck is the most fun without being terribad? Hopefully one of the ones that can be found for a reasonable price.

>>53775725
Saskia is pretty good

>>53775725
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/commander-2016-reprints-and-ranking-the-decks

Ok, what is the use of Kynaios and Tiro other than hitting that diversity checkbox? They help your opponents ramp out and get card draw when they don't. What is the point?

>>53775922
Surely you've seen EDH Hug players? It's an entire archetype about being everybodies friends. (Until your sudden and inevitable betrayal.)

>>53775922
Superfags are as gay as the playatyle they represent. Expecting people not to hit you because you're bribing them with cards while ramping is as wonky as it sounds.

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I was playing monored and had a shitload of artifacts out. Consulate Crackdown wipes my board. I Gamble for a Chaos Warp with only one other card in hand and manage to keep the Warp.

Cast the Warp, shuffle in Consulate, flip the top card. Consulate back out, all my stuff exiled again.

Pic unrelated, but a great card.

>>53775922
I've played it in a 4-color control build. I didn't run any dedicated group hug cards because group hug is fucking terrible.

It's a good blocker and the effect is asymmetrical in your favor so while it's nowhere near competitive, it's playable.

>Skybinding your opponent's Karoos

And here I thought I was going to be playing nice with Daxos.

Is the Meren deck from 2015 any good? I have a thing for G/B.

>>53776254
It's good for a precon and Meren is a good general but she's super popular and a lot of players get tired of seeing her. I target Meren players in games because otherwise they just grind out too much value over a game if you leave them alone.

>playgroup okayed unofficial commanders.
>3-player game with ink-treader nephilim and maelstrom archangel
>assemble aetherflux + tamanoa + 52 life
>pay 50 to blast ink-treader player
>"scoop in response. fuck you for playing an op deck like that."
>archangel player is holding warleader's helix

fuck

>>53776651
>"scoop in response. fuck you for playing an op deck like that."
Kick this faggot out of your playgroup.

>>53776651
>archangel player is holding warleader's helix

So you were dead either way? Or did they not have the mana?

any spicy cards for GB constellation?

>>53776715
she was tapped out, yeah.

>>53776726
Why GB?

>>53777139
So i can use pharika

>>53775725
Wade Into Battle

>>53776726
Ancestral Mask, Attrition, Deathbridge Chant, and Humbler of Mortals are all good Pharika tech imo.

>>53776726
Gravepact, dictate of erebos, tainted remedy, vampiric rites, dark prophecy, dark tutelage, phyrexian arena

Spiciest thing I got for pharika constellation is glistening oil (put it on a snake,it kills it your next turn, it recurs to your hand to cast again)

Really shitty enchantment recursion

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Which commander deck would you consider to have the most "staple" cards (sad robot, counterspell, kodama's reach, phyrexian arena, rhystic study etc.)? Are there any decks that are basically entirely "staple" cards?

>>53777288
Pharika is not very good.

>>53777698
>>Spiciest thing I got for pharika constellation is glistening oil (put it on a snake,it kills it your next turn, it recurs to your hand to cast again)

I feel like you're thinking of Hapatra.

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>>53768008
What are you talking about?!
Vintage staple phytotitan def needs another printing!

>>53774791
>cast Rout for 7 mana during the flicker
You have no window to do this
You and your friend are shit at magic

>>53775137
>>Hey anon, that doesn't work that way
>>Yes it does hurr Durr
More accurate

>>53768008
MaRo always sneaked edh goodies in standard lately. You just either never noticed or you're one of those people that think edh is just code for singleton vintage.

>>53768978
It's common for people to play Magic for a long time and still have a loose notion about how the stack works.
Specially in EDH, where this kind of interaction is meta dependant. In my group, as example, hardly do any "in response" plays, so a few of the players there would be confused about the stack too.

>>53778162

Our playgroup is fine about the stack, but if multiple people want to respond (e.g. More than one person is playing blue), we always have to remind ourselves about priority.

Question: if I sac a land for mana to Vorinclex's ability, does it get increased? Let's say I sac a Crystal Vein, will I get two or three mana?

>>53778181
and obviously this post is mangled as fuck, I meant saccing a land for mana while I have Vorinclex in play

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>>53778181
Well, it says you get an extra mana whenever you tap a land for mana. You tap Crystal Vein for its sacrificing ability so you would get an additional mana. Wether you sacrifice a land for mana doesn't matter, only if it gets tapped. If you sacrifice a land for Squandered Resources with Vorinclex in play, you won't get extra mana.

>>53777951
iirc the Freyalise precon has a ton of green staples.

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>>53777951
You could try Dragonlord Dromoka. Every deck I ever saw with him as commander was just green/white goodstuff with no theme whatsoever.

>>53778181
>sac a land to Vorinclex
What's giving him this ability?

>>53775725
2016 did a great job at making viable fun decks. I just don't like Brokeback Meletis a lot, but it's still works as a grouphug darkroom deck.

>>53778332
See >>53778186

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>>53768104

> Ahem

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>>53776651
>>53776671
>scoop in response

I used to think that tactical scooping had no place in casual EDH... But now I realize I had a warped view of casual EDH. I used to think that strategies like Stax, infinite combos, chaos, etc all had no place in casual EDH.
Nowadays I realize that these things are fine for casual EDH, but with that realization I've also realized that tactical scooping should be fine as well. The truth is that if someone is playing politically they not only can't appear to be weak but they have very few ways to take out cards without losing standing. So are you going to tell me that they should either A) get very lucky or B) willingly lose the game because they have no options?
No, neither of those choices are acceptable. The truth is that tactical scooping is the most powerful tool in a clever player's arsenal, not using it puts political players at a supreme disadvantage. If you feel like you're allowed to use supremely strong strategies "because they can be interacted with" or supremely strong decks "because they can be interacted with" then I feel that I'm allowed to use supremely strong tactical scooping "because you can do something else".
And just as you say "Well you should run more interaction!" I say "Well you should read about Mutually Assured Destruction!" and then you can say "Well I did but it's just a card game!" and I reply WITH THE EXACT SAME SENTIMENT towards combo.
So at the end of the day I say this; If the point of casual edh is still to win, which it obviously is if you're running $2000 combo decks, then I'm going to do what I can to keep you from winning, which is to keep you from being able to interact with me.

>>53778520

Jesus.

>>53778573
Where!?

>>53778641

Inside all of us, silly!

>>53778363
Fully old-bordered mono blue?

>>53778520
You know you suck at a game when you spew this much bullshit justifying tactical quitting.

>>53778520
this was just a pasta from that one dedicated thread on scooping that I bailed. But google shows that it's legit. I'm impressed.

>>53778676

Mostly, I have maybe 10-12 modern cards in it, intentionally tried to keep it old school.

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>>53774098
>senor de la guerra de los bandidos

>>53778732
It's edited pasta m8

>>53778776
What's the original? I don't remember any specific wording.

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So guys, help me out.

I was thinking about building a Braids deck, but I'm worried that, since I always play with the same group of friends, it will probably work the first time and then they'll just kill her every time.

Am I thinking too much?
Can I protect my baby?

>>53778801
Replace tactical scooping with MLD. Replace combo with ramp.

>>53778801
Preators and MLD

>>53778846
>>53778850
Ooooh, right. Thanks.

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Red goodstuff? Without going color specific hosing.

>>53778831
I think it depends on the board state more than it being a guaranteed bullseye on you.

>>53778831
Whats the very bottom thing in this alter? I know I have seen it before, but I can't remember what card it's from.

>>53778897
>red
>goodstuff
Oxymoron. You've got to have a bit of cohesion or theme with red.

>>53778952
Power and Toughness. It's on just about any creature card.

>>53778952
Temporal Manipulation

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>>53778965

qeq

>>53778897
Wheels, chaos warp, gamble, decree of annihilation, obliterate, jokulhaups, imperial recruiter, blasphemous act, Meldon firebombers.

Those are a handful that come to mind

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>>53778965

>>53778897
Wheels, MegaWraths (Obliterate and friends), Keldon Firebombers, Ruination, threaten effects (especially Insurrection but I have a soft spot for Grab the Reins and Turn Against)... I think anything else would have a more specific strategy.

>>53778019
But he's actually good with Greater Good

I want a deck that uses Primal Forcemage. What are the best hastey token makers?

>>53779416
Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper

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I want to port my kozilek deck from online to paper, because shit like this is far too fun to pass up.

is it better to have mana dorks, mana rocks, or land ramp? i personally like a mix but favor land ramp

>>53779471
god that just looks awful and convoluted as fuck. i dont understand why people would play online

>>53779496
Depends on the budget and your deck, honestly.

>>53779439
Fuck. You're right. That's way better than using Stangg as the general and running haste enablers.

Fuck, now I'm in Jund. Least I get Phyrexian Arena.

>>53779496
I prefer land ramp in two color decks, rocks in 3 or more.

Helps keep the color balance even and my autism safe.

>>53779535
150-250 buckaroos

>>53779522
desu that board would look equally convulted on paper

>>53779640
Not him, but my problem with it is the awful UI.
I can only hope that the so called digital next will be fixes that.

>>53779471

Got a card list I can look at? I loooove my colorless eldrazi deck and am always looking for nifty/flavourful/odd ball cards to put in it.

>>53779640
ya like >>53779702 its mostly the UI, i dont have a problem with the cards but that UI is probably the most god awful thing ive seen in a game in the last 2 decades

>>53779575
You should be able to afford some of the better rocks, then: At least Mana Vault, possibly Crypt if the rest of your deck is on the cheaper side. This in addition to the normally good rocks: Sol Ring, Thought Vessel if you're drawing a lot of cards, Diamonds and Medallions in monocolor, Coldsteel Heart and Prismatic Lens in nongreen, relevant signets in anything short of turbo tryhard.

I prefer a mix of Land Ramp and Rocks when I can get Land Ramp. You still run rocks, because a) Armageddon and b) More Rocks than anything else are available for immediate use, letting you chain ramp, but Land Ramp is probably the most reliable.

Don't trust dorks as your primary source of fast. They have summoning sickness even more universally than land ramp gets you your land tapped and will die as collateral damage to most major interchanges.

Wanna build an EDH deck around Exalted. Rafiq is probably the Commander of choice, but what are some good cards to include? Is GWU better for pillow fort or group hug?

>>53780031
just go voltron. be prepared for everyone at the table to hate you though

>>53780031
Group hug is cancer, build Pillow Fort.

>>53780031
Also, on this note, Blighted Agent. Too cheap a win-con?

>>53780090
>infect
Depends on your group. If I pulled infect around my mostly chill, sometimes bitchy playgroup, they'd probably kick me out.

>>53780217
if your play group is willing to kick you out over deck choices you are in a bad group. infect is incredibly hard to win with and one of the easiest things ever to stop. at this point when people complain about infect i just assume they are terrible magic players

Building a ramp-y Jund goodstuff deck. What would you say the minimum amount of ramp cards in a deck like that is and which ramp cards are the best?
Currently have: Sol Ring (obviously), Birds, Farseek, Cultivate, Nature's Lore, Wood Elves, Sakura-Tribe Elder and Fertilid.

>>53780253
It's been discussed before. The problem with infect is that people have a higher perceived threat than it really is. And if pulled correctly, it can take out even a good player with a good deck out of the table early and he'll just have to watch everyone else play for half an hour.
My play group isn't good, yes, but it's what I have in my city, so I prefer to play every week than to have an infect deck that I'll never use.
The point is, EDH is still considered a casual format, and some stuff like infect and land destruction are taboos everywhere.

>>53780253
Infect isn't hard to win with. It might be hard to win with Skittles as your general but dropping a Tainted Strike or a Triumph of the Hordes at a given time is pretty goddamn braindead.

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>>53780217
>If I pulled infect around my mostly chill, sometimes bitchy playgroup, they'd probably kick me out.
So you're saying if you dropped a triumph of the hordes, people would kick you? If you dropped a grafted exoskeleton people would kick you? If you hardcast skittles from the 99 in a mono B goodstuff deck, they'd kick you?

>>53780272
By ramp-y, I assume, more ramp than the average deck should have, so I'd suggest about 5 more ramp cards there. And if you can get burgeoning, it's always great.

>>53780352
Do you feel the need to use that gif every thread?

>>53780272
What commander are you using?
Most decks will run around 10 ramp cards, so you might want to bump it up to 12-15. Kodama's Reach and Nature's Claim/Explosive Vegetation should probably be included. Solemn Simulacrum is good if you have any sac outlets or death matters cards. Chromatic Lantern is always good in a 3-color deck, as is Commander's Sphere. And you might also want to include something big like Boundless Realms

This is the deck I've been working on for the longest time, and also my main excuse to build my collection of black staples. However, I feel it kind of has no direction. Seems a bit too much like it's just trying to be monoB good stuff some of the time.
I also have trouble with cards like Static Orb and Winter Orb, considering they completely screw me over, but I don't plan just yet on changing this deck to go with Mycosynth Lattice and Unwinding Clock and spread its focus even more just to survive those. Adding a colour would be interesting, but which BG commander would be interesting here? Any ideas?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/drana-v2-2/

>>53780378
Let he do it. It reminds of who to not reply, because I'm personally tired of the same type of argument.

>>53780378
When it's apt, it's apt. Twice in three threads over two days is hardly every thread.

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Y'all forgot the best foreign translation.

>>53768874
Nin already has a nice rack but oooh baby that alter is sexay.

>>53773729
I got some of those it took me months to really it doesn't actually say "Counter target spell" on the card.

>>53773941
It's not bad for Gitrog. You're gonna be running shit like Crucible and other cards that can recur your lands. It's pretty much a land that cantrips. The only problem is, like Temple of the False God, it's not a land you want in your starting hand.

>>53776671
>an OP deck
>when he's playing Ink Treader

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I want to become "fun" and need some help. More specifically:

>what commanders are seen as fun, but still strong? Does the commander even matter, outside of drawing early hate?
>Which strategies are both fun and effective?
>Apart from the regular feelbads like Iona and Obliterate, are there any individual cards worthy of avoiding entirely?

>>53780659
>Which strategies are both fun and effective?
C O I N
T O S S

>>53780659
what do you mean by fun exactly?

>>53780712
What does anyone mean by fun? Something interesting that other players wont instantly hate I guess, but it's open for interpretation.

>>53780698
Coin toss is not fun. Well, tossing the coins is fun for you, but incredibly painful for everyone else and I can't find a Kark's Thumb.

>>53780761
>but incredibly painful for everyone else
Seriously? Everytime I cast Fiery Gambit the table starts to shout and laugh.

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>>53780761
DESU
I wasn't sure if your idea of fun, was that stupid pyramid I keep seeing on these threads.

Any other ideas of what you would like to build. My first thought is pic related, deceptively strong for you, but most other players wont remove them, because they gain a weaker benefit.

>Magic Digital Next and MTGO Changes

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-digital/magic-digital-next-update-2017-06-13

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-digital/magic-onlines-fifteenth-anniversary-2017-06-07

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>>53780795
>Fiery Gambi
That actually looks fun. But see what I mean, I instantly thought of the thumb and impulsive maneuvers bringing everything to a grinding stop.

>>53780834
....thats it?

>>53780832
No, god no. As for ideas, I really want to build something RB with some reanimator, wound reflection and gratuitous violence/dictate of the twin gods/double strike but I don't know if people would find that fun. The other option was an upgrade on Feldon, where I splash a bit of discard and reanimator instead of some of the jankier tech, but both those seem like they're going to get out of hand really quick. I was looking at new Seleva too, but I know that's not going to be fun for anyone but me. I have lots of tuned decks, I need something to play with regular folks.

>>53780834
Welp, with that, I drop the idea of joining MTGO at all. With that UI, they can fuck themselves for another 15 years.

>>53780867
Come back in September and thanks for Duel shekels :^)

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next commander tribes confirmed

>>53780911
I'm not going to defend the UI but once you get used to it it's not difficult to use. I mainly use it for playing with long distance friends but I have had a pretty positive experience with it. But I won't shill and say that it's great cause it's not. I can fit in a game of MTG in a free 45min I have rather than driving all the way to my LGS and making it an all night affair.

>>53780954
That's actually neat. They should do more shit like this, and less fuss about pandering.

>>53780954
It's just 4 tribes for COmmander but that image might give us a hint.

Also 3 dragons do not have flying? what?

>>53780954
If those are the actual decks, I am disappoint about elves, but I am totally cool with the rest.

>>53776168
What are the chances!?

>>53776248
Quick way of making sure opponents cut karoos. Much like strip mining them turn 3.

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>>53781026
Only one I remember

>>53780440
See >>53774746, you Delay.

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>>53781026

I know, I want to see them.

Zodiac Dragon
Shichifukujin Dragon
Henge Guardian
(and my fav from back in the day)
Elder Land Wurm

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>>53781026
Errata'd to be a dragon because of the flavor text, probably.

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>>53781026
He should be an infinite combo with discard outlets but they power level errata'd him.

>>53781118
>Shichifukujin Dragon

Not tournament legal.

>>53781118
>>53781071
Wizards can't count apparently.

>>53781162
See >>53781146

The image in >>53780954 explicitly says it's displaying only tournament-legal cards.

>>53781026
Canopy Dragon kind of counts.

>>53781146
>Shichifukujin Dragon
Neat, I didn't know what that was until now.

>>53781199
You can't count either apparently

Dragon Egg
Henge Guardian
Elder Land Wurm
Zodiac Dragon

That's not 3.

>>53781220
Funny enough, if you use gatherer searching for subtype dragon, with rules text to avoid flying you get three.

Eldar Land Wurm
Henge Guardian
Zodiac dragon


I wonder if that is how wizards fucked up

>>53781245
Wizards made a fool by their tech department. Color me surprised.

Any tips for Jalira? It was an attempt to make a more explosive deck like my playgroup's, but it doesn't seem to be working that way.

>>53781123
>sometimes
More like aways.

>>53780954
We have dragons. Wizards, Elves, and Angels would be a good rounding out.

>>53780954
Are there more images like this one?
That's pretty neat.

>>53781353
plz let it be angels.

I made an angel tribal deck, and it made me realize how shitty their synergy is when compared to all other tribes.

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Anyone heard of an EDH deck built around this.

I've been eyeing him for a while now but any card above $10 I avoid unless I can splurg.

>>53781389
At the risk of sounding rude the EDHREC page for him tells you everything you need to know, even the spicy tech with him. If you go swarm he's a worse version of Rhys, the Redeeme and if you got ETB the deck is better as a Purphoros deck. He's been outclassed.

>>53781364
Angels is pretty much a given. It's a tribe filled with dumb, big creatures, just like Dragons. While I hope for Elves, I'm not convinced.

>>53781353
>more elf tribal precon
Please, WotC, think just for once.

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Just to be certain, does this interact with rebound as simply as one would assume? Cast, exile it, re-cast your next upkeep and win?

>>53781596
>cast from your hand

Disregard, I'm illiterate.

>>53781338
Run token generators, ramp, and Eldrazi.

>>53781245
It's not strange. Dragon Egg has flying in its rules text even if the creature Dragon Egg doesn't have flying.

>>53781616
Yeah, that is why I am assuming wizards did the exact search and got the wrong #

>>53781616
I don't anon is questioning why it didn't show up in his results from the search but rather finds it strange that WotC would just do a very simple search like that without much verification to put on an infographic they are presented to millions of viewers.

>>53780954
Since there are only 4 decks, I hope the tribe we're not getting is Elves. I think everyone is already tired of them.

>>53781729
Wasn't the green pw commander an elves deck anyways?

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>>53780834
>mfw I started playing Duels few weeks ago and grinding hard to build a nice madness vampires deck
I'm not mad but that's sad

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>>53781459

Thanks. I didn't understand a lot of that and kinda realized I'm too out of step to post here. I'm a mid-90s player back into the game, I feel slow and everyone super fast and specialized. (All color combinations have names?! Jeez...)

>>53781595
Elves are heavily green but have a significant black and (multicolor) white component. There is no Abzan elf commander (there are abzan commanders that are good for elves but none of them are elves; much like mardu has no true angel commander, and even it's closer with Kaalia). It's fairly inevitable.

>>53781739
Pretty much.

>>53781743
Serves you right. The gods intended Magic to be played with cardboard in the real world, where you have to face your opponents and their questionable hygiene.

>>53781852
If you really want to play Hazezon, though, he's one of the Legends options that's still viable. >>53781459 called out Purph for the comes-into-play abuse, but Purph is monored while Hazezon gets you more tech (the Soul Sisters, say) from his other colors and can just run purph in the 99. If your meta isn't turbo cutthroat it'll work (and if you're reticent to drop more than 10 bucks on a single card, competitive EDH is beyond your reach)

Best of luck!

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Now that this has been banned from standard, will it be worth it to pick some of them up for various edh decks?

>>53781883
I'd rather they make a legendary abzan elf in some set or even the new core set as a wink to the edh community and leave the elves out of C17.

>>53781852
The color combo names are actually based on different groups in lore. The plane of Ravnica houses a guild for each two color pair, which is what the two color combos usually get referred to as when people aren't referring to them by letter abbreviation. Alara had 5 three-color combos called shards and Tarkir had the other 5 three-color combos in the form of tribes. The 4 color combos are usually either called not-[missing color here] or are called after the 5 Nephilim, which were from Ravnica and were the first 4 color creatures ever printed.

>>53781938
Maybe if it drops at least 2$.

>>53781953
It would be nice, though, but I was trying for a wish list, not a miracle list.

>>53781938
Play it in Meren.

>>53781938
sure could be good in aristocrats deck

>>53781993
See, normally I wouldn't mind another elf deck, but seeing as they already reprinted Freyalise this very year, it would be a bit saturated imo to have another elf in C17.
I think it would waste the potential to other interesting tribes to get some needed support.

>>53782017
It seems unlikely to me that we'd get tribes that need the love rather than tribes that people already like. I for one would love to see Pirates in Izzet or Grixis, but they've only got 14/15 new cards per deck and while I for one feel like they're a resonant tribe that after a long absence has come back in the last year or so with Kari Zev and her friends on Kaladesh and that black Smuggler lady from Conspiracy 2, and while I feel like a commander product, which doesn't have a worldbuilding constraint, removing the need to already be going (aero)nautical as a theme, would be a place where they could pick up some support... it's just not going to happen, there isn't enough already there.

>>53781937

Do most people here play cutthroat? I play for fun mostly as the more it become just about winning the more it becomes about who spent more money. I have about 3.5k cards, maybe more/less...too many to count.

I built a 5 color legendary deck, every creature is legendary and multicolored, one wall from each color, only one mono colored spell from each, 5 artifacts. I think it's fun.

I returned around BFZ time frame and fell in love with colorless eldrazi, so I bought just about every one there is, and Ugin. Karn is steep but on my wish list. So I made a colorless eldrazi deck and kept artifacts at bay, because it's an Eldrazi deck and not an artifact deck, but if money is not object then it would clearly be more powerful as an artifact heavy, Eldrazi spiced, deck.

I've heard people talk about "theme deck" or "tribal", kinda like my legendary deck, made to fit a concept not simply the best cards available.

>>53780336
I like people complaining after I fuck over their Mono whatever decks with a Mizzix cheapened Wake of Destruction.

>>53782273
Personally? Fairly casual. EDH has a broad band of "Viable", and at a lot of tables you should be able to compete provided

>You have your general EDH deckbuilding theory down
You run about the right land/nonland ratio, you have at least a few cards in the cost 3- bracket that 'permanently' get you more mana (Industry Standard: 35-38 lands and ~10 ramp effects but some decks can diverge
>Your curve isn't terrible
Average CMC between 3 and 4 unless you're doing something bizarre (Cheating most if not all of your expensive cards with Jhoira; running a mono-colorless deck since colorless mana is easy to generate...)
>You have something to help you break out of linear/craw wurm play
Playing 6/6 french vanillas from your hand is not going to cut it: cards are a finite resource, after all. Using one card to make a 6/6 token every turn would be way better. Heck, making a lot of 1/1 tokens can work out for you. You don't have to infinite combo or instant win (some people will tell you so, but they're wrong), you can even midrange for the win but you need to have a way to out-value your opponents. with 40 life and more than one opponent, tempo kind of dies in EDH; card advantage is king, so be sure that your cards can make a good account of themselves. Value when they enter the battlefield, Value when they leave the battlefield, "all" or "each" effects, activated abilities (ESPECIALLY ones that don't require tapping), cards that work with your other cards to be more than the sum of their parts (Synergy does not have to be combo), and so on.

>>53782323
I understand your entertainment as I love to drop Blood Moons on the table.

>>53781937
Hazezon works in most metas. I would argue that the Purph list doesn't really lose much by being monored and what it does lose is made up for by a guaranteed turn 2-3 Purph. Of course, politics generally make the Purph deck the highest priority target and you can try a deck that sacrifices speed to be a midrange swarm deck with backup ETB or vice versa. I'm the kind of person that if a Commander list is (mostly) outclassed by another or if a list runs a lot of the same cards/similar strategy with a better goldfish I tend to get really discouraged from making the deck.

Call it autism if you'd like but that's what I was trying to convey, poorly albeit. Hazezon will work in most metas if you are comfortable with the fact that your list is likely to be doing really similar things to a Purph or Rhys deck.

>>53783946
Any source on that, big guy?

>>53783946
CRUCIBLE ON A REANIMATABLE STICK LET'S GO

>>53783946
holy SHIT those look good

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So I've been thinking about a new deck since how much you can smash someone in the face or drain them etc. I know so far that it'll b either UB autistic twins or Orzhov (undecided here, contenders are Old teysa/Ayli/Kambal). My current ones are Hulk Karador, Xenagod and Rafiq. Which of those would feel more 'distinct' from what i currently have? Infinites are fine but i don't want to overdo them. Playgroup is Selvala Storm, Animar fully tuned and Ydris/Nekusar Wheels.

>>53783946
I'll take 20 of the green one, thank you

>>53783946
>Wildfire Eternal
Not bad, not bad at all. I"d play the shit out of that.

>>53784022
... and trivially tutorable in green. All that shall remain of my playgroup is Gitrog's laughter.

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>>53783946

>>53784093
wonder what eternalize is

>>53783946
>Wildfire Eternal
Holy FUCK

>>53784093
Hey cute kitty

>>53784112
Reveal it in your hand, pay the cost, create a copy that's a white spirit.

You have a chance after an Oldrazi is put into the grave to exile it, right?

>>53784280
You can respond to the trigger, yes

>>53784093
>those claws over the type box
WOAH!

>>53784280
If you mean as a replacement affect, whenever your commander would switch zones (like from your field to your hand, graveyard, library or exile, or any two of those zones mixed in between) youay instead move it to the command zone. So if your kozilek hit the graveyard, you would be able to put it in the command zo e instead of shuffling it in.

Or, if you respond to the triggered ability another opponent has of the oldrazi being shuffled in, you can Exile it at instant speed.

>>53784066
Ah balls, we also have a cEDH Gitrog in the meta. Welp, looks like Brago's gonna need even more point removal...

On the upside, Sek'Kuar now has a (hopefully) affordable reason to pick up Azusa, Lost but Seeking and Oracle of Mul Daya.

>>53783946
>tfw I just dropped $55 for a Crucible of Worlds
Oh well, at least now I'll have two copies for Titania

>>53784239
source?

>>53784239
source me good sir.

>>53784324
Okay, that's nifty. I hope this is a trend.

>>53784239
someone else is saying its
"Pay the cost from your graveyard, create a token enchantment with "your creatures gain the keyword on the eternalized card"

>>53784596
Nobody actually knows yet since this is the first leak of it and there is no reminder text. Enjoy rampant speculation.

>>53784596
3WW for mass double strike permanent seems a bit undercosted doesn't it?

>>53783946
Ramunap Explorer+Strip Mine+Azusa=nolands.dec

>>53784619
yeah exactly im not saying its the truth.
>>53784636
arent most enchantments that give doublestrike about 5CMC in red or white? also the card must be discarded to activate so its an extra hoop to jump

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>>53784636
Nope

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>>53784636
Nah

>>53784507
>>53784496
Directly from my ass.

so I know this thread is going to hit it's limit soon but I have a question.
How is 3v3 commander played ? there's going to be 6 of us at my place and I'm think 3v3 might be better than 6ffa

>>53784699
Do two pods of 3, 6ffa or Three-Headed Giant look like very long and boring games with a lot of people looking away and then wanting to answer a spell cast five minutes ago.

>>53784699
Emperor Variant is cool with 6 people, but make sure that The combo players aren't emperors so other have at leaast a chance to attack them if nothing else

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SHELDONNNNNNNNNNN

>>53784699
You can do Emperor. The people in the middle of the teams are the emperor and their spells can only affect/target people within 2 seats of themselves. All players can only attack enemies within 1 seat of themselves. The emperors' creatures all have the ability "T: a teammate gains control of this creature" since they cannot attack until a teammate dies.

This gammode completely breaks if an emperor is playing an infinite combo deck but if you all have fairly casual decks then it can work and it allows a 6-player game to not take so long.

>>53784767
wait what? he tweeted there would be no ban list updates until HOU releases

>>53784767
F A K E
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>>53784767
i checked the forums and I dont see anything.

Anon, why.

>>53784596
that would be pretty cool. I hope it's correct.

>>53778341
Yeah, I'm eyeballing Saskia at the moment. I kinda want to grab one of the 2014 monocolor ones, since I have awful luck with anything over dual color, but I get the feeling they aren't any good.

>>53784767
Black Lotus is unbanned ayy lmao
t. Sheldon

>>53784877
The monocolored ones all include a lot of good cards for their colors. They need upgrades but are worth it for EDH collections.

>>53784877
Daretti is a great artifact commander, the precon isn't bad, and is easily made better by putting in better artifacts.

>>53784767
I know this is probably fake but I don't understand all the hate for sol ring.
I mean mana vault and mana crypt cost upwards of $45 unless they're damaged and are harder to have in every deck.
Sol ring is really cheap, easy to find, and in every fucking commander precon.
So it's like either put in sol ring or don't but the only excuse for not having it in is not wanting to have it in. you can't blame it on price or hard to find because you could get a whole playset for under $10.

>>53784767
Honestly I'd laugh if that was true as I burned my 10 copies of Sol Rings.

>>53784877
Daretti, Teferi and Freyalise are really good monocolors, easily upgradable. And as said above, they have some nice staples for each color.