/STG/ - Star Trek General

>>53753211
Damn, OP, you beat me to it. I was gonna go get an Akira action shot and post up the thread as the Thunderchild Edition, but you're too on-the-ball. Well done.

>>53753255
Nothing to stop you from posting it in the thread anyhow.

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>>53753289
Fuck it, may as well. It's the STO remodel, I believe, but still decent looking.

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Just a reminder, this was going to be the hero ship of a new animated series.

>>53753342
Uh... proof? Because I seriously don't believe you, either that pic related was a hero ship of anything anywhere or that someone would do a second animated series.

>>53753378
memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Final_Frontier

This was an actual thing. Early in development, at any rate, but still.

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Full-Klingaboo series when?

>>53753449
Ok, so, that Enterprise is fucking retarded looking, but I actually kinda liked the premise of that series. A Romulan-Federation war sounds reasonably interesting as a background thing that happened and fucking up the galaxy a little doesn't sound too bad. Shame it never happened. Modern animation would have gone a long way too.

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>>53753378
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Final_Frontier

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>>53753510

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You have ten seconds to name a more perfect Q-2017.

>>53753211
Reminder that Cryptic just released 2 real money grab bag ships that are both that ship.

>>53753878
The Husnok ship, for certain, but what else?

>>53754162
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10507963-smuggler%27s-heavy-escort-r%26d-promotion%21

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>>53753664
Effortlessly.

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>>53753449
>>53753510
>darker future
This meme needs to end.
Though there really needs to be a new Trek cartoon. Something for the kids. It was kids growing up with TOS that led to the major success of TNG and the movies. NuTrek being aimed mainly at millenials and younger gen-xers is really throwing away the future of the franchise.
Lucas (and Disney) had it right - get the kiddos hooked on it (even if adults don't like it so much), and you can milk nostalgia forever. But, you need to keep getting new kids hooked on it, so you can milk their nostalgia too. CBS is trying to milk Trekkie nostalgia, but there's just not enough of that anymore for more than some futile half-measures like STO.

>>53753664
Hasn't he already been involved in Trek? Although I guess that never stopped Jeffrey Combs or the guy who played Sisko's dad.

>>53753664
I'd take Wil Wheaton over him at this point. Otherwise what >>53755311 said.

>>53755311
I dunno. I think he's too good for nuTrek, and Benegesserit Cumberbund would better suit the garbage that is the new franchise.

>>53756303
Cummerbund is already *in* nuTrek though, making him unavailable.

I will admit to a certain confusion though, as to why we aren't tapping John DeLancy again. Q doesn't give a shit about alternate universes as far as I know and DeLancy is still alive and rockin a hella beard now so he's probably available.

>>53756339
If it's Q for a reboot TNG, then sure whatever.

If it's Q for something else, no reason why not bring in a new actor and make it a different Q.

>>53753664
What's wrong with John DeLancie?

>>53756812
Well he is almost 70.

>>53757874
what they should do is start out with DeLancie, but occasionally swap out to a younger actor/actress under the idea "I'm Q. Sometimes I get bored and wanna try a different face."

>>53758152
Or, more likely, they will never bring back Q as it will remind people how shit Discovery will be in comparisom to TNG.

>>53758349
This is what would happen in a rational universe with logical people.

But we both know we are far away from that universe, dont we anon?

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>>53753550
It's a Starfury.

>>53759166
Damn it does doesn't, like Star Trek/Babylon 5 fanboys needed anymore reasons to bitch about.

>>53754842
Finally, I too can be a space pirate in a ship that appeared for less than 20 seconds on screen. Who's the Snap Dragon now, assholes?

>>53753321
I don't particularly get the hype people seem to have for the Akira. All the same, she's a pretty ship.

>>53760375
It's probably because is one of the best designs of the non-hero ships (as in, not the main ship in any of the shows or films). It's why people pick it if they want to have a cool ship still that feels like it's one of their own in STO or RPGs or whatever.

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>>53760473
Nailed it.

Akira is one of those ships that could be a hero-ship. It's a lot more graceful, hell just outright 'cool' looking than most alternatives for the era, and because it's not a hero-ship it has not got the bad fanfiction stink of everyone wanting to captain a main character ship when people want to use it for their own stuff.

>>53760473
>>53761090
>what is the Nova class

>>53761090
Reminder that an Akira's engineering crew probably despises the design because of the miles of plasma conduits running from the warp core in the saucer out to the nacelles, nevermind that there are 50% more personnel than normal to run the flight deck despite the ship being a third the mass of a Galaxy...

>>53761397
>engineering crew probably despises the design because of the miles of plasma conduits running from the warp core in the saucer out to the nacelles
Not any longer than most other ships. And almost all of that length runs through parts of the ship that are more than one deck thick, unlike the Excelsior or Galaxy, which I'd figure makes maintenance easier instead of harder.

>>53761351
Not anywhere near as useful because it's fucking tiny. And not as cool looking either.

>>53761397
Comparisons to something like a Galaxy don't really make sense because a Galaxy is designed to do pretty much everything. Ships like the Akira, Intrepid, Nova and so on are designed with a specific purpose instead of being generalists, therefore they're going to have far less crew.

>>53760473
>>53761090
Gonna have to side with >>53761351 on this. If I was doing a campaign I'd pick a less combat-centric vessel, like a Nova, over an Akira.
Though I'd be more likely to use a Luna or Nebula class instead, as they'd have the wider variety of functions over the Akira (a combat vessel) or the Nova (small, science oriented surveyor).
And If I were picking a combat vessel, I'd go with an Excelsior, because we know those tough motherfuckers can take hits. Plus they also perform at least some sort of exploratory requirements.

>>53759166
More like the one after that. The one with multiple seats and a forward fuselage. Can't remember what it was called.

>>53753466
Already happened, it's called DS9. Check it out sometime.

>>53764675
I think you mean the Thunderbolt

>>53753466

I feel like Klingons make for great sideplots (and opponents in the case of TOS), but having an entire series about BLOOD, HONOR and Duras dickery would be a bit much.

>>53753466
They sort of did that with Klingon Academy.

>>53761351
>what is the nova class
Cute for sure, maybe even sexy. But it's certainly not /cool/ on the same level as the Akira.

Still, Nova's comfortably the second best non-hero ship, even if we count the Ent-C as non-hero.

>>53764770
Technically they're both Starfuries. The regular one is the Starfury Aurora, the one the other anon was talking about is the Starfury Thunderbolt.

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>>53766571
>another Ambassador admirer
My [Jalad to my Darmok]

On that note: am I the only person who likes the show model but with canted nacelle pylons like pic related?

>>53755925
>darker future
>This meme needs to end.
Couldn't agree more. Being an optimistic future is part of the core identity of Star Trek. The later seasons of DS9 are about as dark as the franchise should ever get.

>>53767907
I found the ending of DS9 (shit Dukat becoming Alien Satan story no included) to be incredibly optimistic.

By the late 24c humanity had spent a long time intentionally not picking up the sword and embracing the olive branch of peace.

Then we were forced to go back to learning how to war once again but at the end Sisko and Admiral found no love of war.

When push came to shove the Star Fleet demonstrated that it could fight but not be consumed by it.

>>53753664
The new series is a prequel. Didn't we have enough of aliens being encountered before their official first contact in Enterprise?

>>53760473
>>53761090
Yet there's no real evidence to support the notion that the Akira is anything other than a mass-produced delaying tactic. All we ever see them do is get fucked up on screen in short order. Say what you will about the Miranda, but at least we saw them take a few punches.

In Romulan hierarchy, what's the difference between the Emperor and the Praetor? And then basically that same question for the Praetor and Proconsul.

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>>53771341

>>53767568
Got any more angles? I like it more than the swept-forward version that was supposed to be original.

>>53767568
Eh, it's okay. I might be biased against it by all of Cryptic's shitty Galaxy variants it resembles, though.

>>53770206
>mass-produced delaying tactic
>full sized cruiser, complex hull form, confirmed design niche of being armed for combat support as well as having the usual wide array of gear including a full deflector array unlike the Miranda and many other ships

Lulwut? Also they were seen repeatedly doing things other than exploding, hell they even got used a bunch on Voyager. Your conclusion is pretty weird sideways logic that just doesn't work.

>>53763025
The Enterprise B and the Excelsior herself were both hero ships. That heavily implies well rounded deep space cruiser, at least when they aren't upgunned and uparmored to fucking Defiant class for war footing.

The Excelsior is for when you want to be Sulu. The Akira is for Top Gun IN SPACE (Top Phaser?) and torp spam.

>>53771096
The Emperor is the head of state, but mostly a figurehead (like Queen Elizabeth or the Emperor of Japan).

The Praetor is the head of state and head of the Senate, basically a Prime Minister or Premier (in US terms they'd be like the Speaker of the House/Senate, though it's confused by the fact that the RSE appears to have a unicameral legislature, unlike most countries on Earth today). But they're also effectively commander of chief in the military, and as such basically the de facto holder of power, even though on paper they're beneath the Emperor and Emperor's Legate.

The Proconsul is directly below the Praetor, and seems to handle day-to-day operations of the senate; even though the Praetor is technically head of the Senate, the Praetor also leads the Continuing Committee (basically the cabinet, consisting largely but not completely of Senators).

>>53771096
>>53771997
The only reference to an Emperor (or rather, Empress) is a historical mention by Q of all people. The position of Emperor appears to not exist in modern Romulan society, like how there was no Klingon Empire for generations until clone Kahless showed up.

The difference between the Praetor and Proconsul is likely (though this is speculation on my part) that the Praetor is head of state while the Proconsul has the delegated authority to be head of legislature. On paper the Praetor has ultimate authority, but as he's busy running the executive branch of the country it's the Proconsul who leads the Senate itself in the common day-to-day legislative tasks.

>>53768630
>The new series is a prequel

Those don't even count

>>53771857
Not really. Given the Akira seems to have been part of the anti-borg fleet, it wouldn't be at all out of place for the ship to have been designed as a cheap, easily produced weapons platform, capable of operating with a much smaller crew than a comparably sized cruiser. Able to punch above it's weight with fewer potential crew casualties, while being not particularly durable, seeing as ship durability basically goes out the window against a borg cube. To an extent, that seems to have been the MO for Starfleet up until they encountered the Dominion.

Which would then explain why they saw significant use during the Dominion war. Lots of firepower, easier to crew up. But would also explain the higher onscreen casualty rates of the ship during that war. Shots that we see Galaxy, Excelsior, Defiant and Nebula class ships tanking seem to cut right through the Akira.

Frankly I see no evidence that the ship isn't just the result of Starfleet throwing together a design to placehold for the next generation of ships.

>>53771990
>Torp spam
That always bugged me, seeing as we know that a single or double tube setup can shit out torpedoes at a rapid rate. See the Galaxy, Intrepid and Defiant classes for reference.

>>53772276
It's the difference between an artillery platoon and an artillery battalion.

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>>53760473
>>53761090
>>53761550
>>53761351
>>53761763
>>53762056
>>53763025
>>53766571
>>53767568
>>53770206
>>53771857
>>53771990
>All these ships don't even split into 3 separate ships for no discernible tactical advantage besides presenting more targets

What's even the point lads?

>>53772359
>It's not like swarm tactics are slightly less useless against the Borg or anything, no!

>>53772298
How? A ship of comparable size could carry a similar compliment of torpedoes and fire them at essentially the same rate. I'm sure the Akira design has some advantages. Perhaps some sort of modular sections for mission versatility, but I just don't see the benefit in a bunch of extra tubes.

>>53772359
It's very simple. The Prometheus was designed to distract the Tal Shiar. Starfleet intelligence knows that the Romulans are always poking around, looking to steel plans for experimental ships. So they built something that had a bunch of new features that sounded cool and diverted the Romulans from looking into ship designs that actually made sense.

>>53771802
https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/bb8ef1ef-6463-4404-a7cc-5045418bb997/Ambassador-class-Starship-hybrid-WIP

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>>53772359
Why separate your ships when you can combine them?

>>53772503
Upon seeing it in 3d... nah, not a fan. Lots of angles where it just doesn't look right. Maybe if the pylons connected directly to the hull rather than the protrusion, or were swept back, and actually joined under the nacelle rather than on a corner, then it might be a bit better but there's just something wrong about the way it is there, it messes with the lines of the rest of it.

>>53772200
Honestly I don't see any evidence for that either, especially since we have some rough crew numbers, size and the like and it's not anything unusual at all for typical star fleet heavy cruiser.

>>53772588
Now we must ask ourselves, is that a tiny D'deridex, or a giant Galaxy?

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>What if star trek was made as a 1950's show instead of a 1960's show.

>>53774259
It wouldn't be communist red.

>>53774259
USS would stand for United States Starship.
Nazi and Communist worlds would get purged from orbit.
There would be an active arms race with the Klingons instead of cautious MADesque peace.
No Uhura or Number One.

>>53774980
>Neutronium plating
lolno

>>53774980
You know, for all that that spec sheet talks up this design, did no one ever just LOOK at the fucking thing and say "yeah, no, it looks like a piece of shit". That forward wing design and the little fins past the nacelles looks atrocious. If you sweep the wing back and you knock off those fins, maybe it looks alright, but as is it's pretty garbage-tier. I prefer the *Norway* even.

>>53774259
Also the ship would be more traditional cigar rocket shaped.

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>Recently found my old copy of Bridge Commander and got it working on win 8.1
Man, I forgot how damn good this game is. The story is well paced and engaging and the soundtrack is superb.

>>53776141
Just wish Saffi Larsen wasn't such a cunt, eh?

But yeah, I fuckin' loved Bridge Commander, too. Helps that your tactical officer looks like the Rock.

>>53771096
The Praetor is the leader of the senate. Proconsul is high ranking position, but below Praetor. If we're talking canon that's about all we know. There really isn't much information about the Romulan government. We don't even know if senators are chosen democratically or appointed.

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>>53777780
https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ee4c5813096e19e4f2149e33daf62607/USS-Orion-NX-753

>>53777771
>>53777780
>>53777788

Is it bad that I see this and think "Federation attempts to build a Klingon D-series in its own aesthetics"?

>>53778216
can't unsee.

>>53777727
I would guess that Romulan Senatorships are semi-elected. Rather than an election of the Citizenry, the Senstor would be elected by some sort of Patrician class. The Emperor would naturally be a hereditary position. The Consuls (Pro- and Vice-) would then be elected by the Senators. Whereas the Oraetor would be an appointment, either by the Emperor or Continuing Committee.

>>53779358
With how volatile Romulan politics look to be, I'd imagine the Emperor is a booby prize on par with being a Locutus, to be honest. I also can't imagine the Senate letting power slip through their fingers like the Classical Roman Senate did.

>>53779410
I can imagine it. I just can't imagine It lasting too long before "accidents" start happening.

>>53779410
>I also can't imagine the Senate letting power slip through their fingers like the Classical Roman Senate did.

The Real power is likely with the Praetor. As we see and hear about them a lot more. If the Praetor were then beholden to the Continuing Committee, then I'd say the Senate could control the Praetor that way.

>>53779410
>Romulan picks up a human history book on Rome
>"Hah, amateurs."

So how would a Vulcan/Romulan reunification go? Vulcans aren't going to jump into emotion and Romulans aren't going to give them up. I can't imagine the two getting along as a mixed population too well considering how distasteful the Vulcans consider emotion.

>>53780809
TNG showed us that some Romulans are being converted to Surak's philosophies. Also, I doubt Vulcan is in any position to demand that the Romulans relinquish their temporal power, even post-Hobus. So, I think the question is more about geo-politics than which emotions are going where. Will Vulcan leave the Federation in order to rejoin with the Republic? Will the reunification be purely ideological (I think this is both possible and practical), rather than something that will shift borders?

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>>53775107
Yeah they fucked up.

It's clearly derived from two of the handful of concept sketches put in at the end of the TNG tech manual, but managed to fail at basic make-trek-ship-look-good rules in translation.

>>53777771
>Pre-TOS stylings
>TOS era registry

Nah. I mean it's not terrible as a design goes but really it looks like something that might have been tried around the ENT-era... or rather it's something I'd assign to a non-Star Fleet ship like maybe Orions since it's a clear blend of styles (and not just the name, in SFB they were known for using basically everyone's stuff in producing their own vessels).

>>53772588
that reminds me of this ship-sexual cutscene in Star Control 3

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>>53760473
Pioneer is comfiest ship.

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>>53781225
Bottom right refined

>>53781225
>pic
What the actual fuck is up with bottom right? Like, it cuts off at some point, the nacelles are forward of the rest of the ship, it's a flat wedge thing, jesus who thought that looked good?

>>53781715
"A fourth possible advanced starship design would completely
abandon the traditional saucer and nacelle configuration
in favor of a linear arrangement featuring forward mounted
warp nacelles. Crew and mission-specific modules would be
mounted along the spine of the spaceframe. This concept
would require significant advances in warp geometry technologies,
but it would permit tremendous flexibility in ship
configuration with little structural modification to the basic
spaceframe. Proponents of this design suggest that the
additional R&D costs for this ship would be more than balanced
by the savings realized through the adaptability of this
design to a wide range of starship types."

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>>53781672
*Bottom Left.
Fucking derp.

>>53758152
This would be a cool way to continue using Q. I don't think Q needs to be in nuTrek or prequels, but if a live continuation of Alpha cannon ever happened, this would be acute solution.

>>53764851
I disagree. Set it in a place or era where we can see the nonwarrior aspects of the Empire characters always talk about and you could make a cool story. Worf-reforms or shit the Enterprise lawyer talked about. GoT and Vikings shows we can have a show where the main characters are dicks, spit on traditional Abrahamic values, and have murder boners and people will watch.

>>53767907
Agreed, and I like edgelord dark. DS9 was a perfect amount of contrast.

>>53772200
They honestly remind me of the Miranda. Grab a saucer, stick a weapons pod and some nacels on it, and you have a lower-maintenance cruiser that can be used as destroyer/weapons platform when needed.

You have your Constitutions, Excelsiors, Ambassadors, and Galaxies for exploracruising, outside your boarders and your Mirandas and Akiras for light cruising and being gun turrets inside.

>>53781672
Why the citrusy fresh saucer?

>>53782831
But anon, Star Fleet isn't a military organization.

>>53783067
Oh let's not start that particular autist-war again, thanks.

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>>53783067
I mean, it's not, but compare the Connie and the Miranda. Connie obviously has more space, but can't fire torpedoes behind it, and doesn't have phaser cannons. Sure the Miranda gives up two traditional phaser banks for these toys, but you don't have to be warmongers to tie guns to things for defense. Let the 'splorers 'splore, and the defenders defend.
>Galaxy
Go forth and try not to explode.
>Akira
Defend what's ours and/or deliver vaccines.


On a related note, are the only Alpha cannon ships from ToS/Movie era the Connie, Miranda, Excelsior, Oberth, and that Miranda-Turned-Border-Guard for which I can't remember the name of? I'm not forgetting any am I?

>>53784114
>Defend what's ours and/or deliver vaccines.

But anon, defending yourself is immoral. If you fight your enemies they win.

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>>53782906
"This design study
features a saucer section composed of wedge-shaped modular
segments that could be easily replaced as mission demands
change and new technology becomes available. This
concept calls for an internal volume approximately 40% less
than the present Galaxy class starship, but this design is
expected to perform similar mission profiles within normal
cruise ranges because of the relative ease of spacecraft
segment swapout."

>>53784114
Ambassador and Constellation too. Though that's more like in-between TOS movies and TNG.

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>>53784114
Technically the Saladin/Federation and I think Ptolemy classes are canon as they were seen on displays in TMP/WoK.

>>53784114
>connie doesn't have phaser cannons
nigger what

>>53784791
So it's literally a Space-LCS.

>>53784938
Huh. Never noticed them before.

>>53784791
That's cool, even if my 21st century baby mind can only imagine swapping every orange slice out with a turret module, vomiting torpedoes in all directions.
>"Father Klingon, why haven't we turned on the weak Federation and their ships of peace?"
>Father Klingon remembers the battle against the lone USS Tangerine, the exploratory light cruiser that the whole battle fleet surrounded to taunt before it opened fire, flooding space with tasty blood oranges, a suicide tactic that destroyed over a dozen Klingon vessels before each turret module was destroyed by the remaining, crippled warships.
>Father Klingon Remembers

>>53784945
Constitution has 3 dual phaser banks (lower saucer), and the refit looks like it has 6 (3 top 3 bottom).
Miranda has 3 dual banks on the bottom, and one forward bank on the top of the saucer. Additionally, it has two bidirectional phaser cannons on the ends of the rollbar.

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>>53774980
>ventral and dorsal views
NX classification is a bit irritating, and the swept-forward pylons reek of steel donuts, but I like the shape of the saucer. Maybe it's not so b-
>front and rear
wait it's just a BBW Intrepid with her legs spread

>>53780883
The only way that political reunification would work is after Romulus and Remus go kaboom in the movies. The Romulans would get folded back into the Vulcans and become Federation citizens.

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>>53787610
There's no need for them to become Vulcans again.

>>53787406
>the swept-forward pylons reek of steel donuts

Really it's just mashing together two of the concept bits from the end of the TNG tech manual, right down to the angular nacelles.

Which probably directly contributed to the development of the Intrepid, since it's got several of the major features including variable positioning on the nacelles (though changed to lift/drop).

>>53787610
Even with the Reunification movement, I doubt the average Romulan would be able/willing to embrace Vulcan emotional suppression.

>>53780809
Personally I think it would be an abject failure. Neither race could embrace the other's philosophy without severe psychological physiological changes. Short of some sort of massive genetic engineering project to bring the 2 races closer together, I don't think they can integrate.

And even if they did pursue genetic engineering, there's no telling how the resultant race would act. There's a good risk you could end up with a race of the following:
https://youtu.be/nXtjlHmZiQI

>>53790684
>>53780809
Well, if STO is anything to go by, Romulans turn into happy-go-lucky space elves when they give up on being backstabbing cocknozzles.

>>53790842
Half of them do. The other half turn into a bizarre cross between Saturday morning cartoon villains and full on genocidal monsters.

>>53791176
Reman DNA, not even once.

>>53791176
>The other half turn into a bizarre cross between Saturday morning cartoon villains and full on genocidal monsters.

Weren't they always that way?

>>53772276
Whenever they order a "full spread" of torpedoes it seems to be ~6, so that would be 3-6 (maybe 4-8) per tube, so 10+ tubes would be 30+ torpedoes per salvo, which would be devastating if you're willing to spend the ammo.

>>537927676
Against a Borg Cube that would work. Some science magic temporarily weakens the Cube's shields so the Akiras open up and fillet it.

>>53792961
Transphasic Torpedoes are designed to go right through the shields.

>>53793026
Those weren't around when the Akira was designed.

>>53792609
Nope, Romulans were villains with depth right from the start.

So many other things fit that mould though.

>>53792767
I think the Galaxy must have just an insane torpedo launcher compared to most other ships. Voyager had to use both tubes to do a 'full spread' of less than the Galaxy, which could shotgun out something like 10 torpedoes at once (though technically I think it was just extreme rapid fire burst after racking up the required torpedoes rather than stuffing 10 down the tube in one go).

So having a bunch of tubes ready to go whilst clearly not the smartest design choice, has at least some sense to it. Especially since the Akira's tubes include twin-mounts in side facings as well as the big pod with Quantum torpedo launchers as well as the usual Photon torpedo tubes.

>>53787610
>The Romulans would get folded back into the Vulcans and become Federation citizens

I could only imagine the chaos such a sudden and massive territorial expansion would cause. In the rush for ships, you'd probably get shit like Feddy crews on warbirds at some point, along with a mad dash to get as many cloaking devices onto the black market as fast as possible before they are all destroyed.

>These are the voyages of the USS Kir'Hakaa

>>53794320
>Starfleet engineers given unfettered access to micro singularity engine rooms
The ensuing wacky accidents could supply a year's worth of plot hooks all by themselves.

>>53794320
>tfw when you're the one guy that has to spraypaint all the warbirds into Federation colors.

>>53794320
Federation would be free to install cloaking device on every ship it wants.

>>53794320
Only reason the feddies banned cloak development is due to a treaty they signed with the romulans. The question you SHOULD be asking is how many cloaks can they mount on feddie ships before they step on the toes of the rommie navy by going after mothballed warbirds and/or prioritizing Defiant and Akria classes for cloaking devices over proper warbirds.

>>53781375
<3

I love my Pioneer. Used it all the up to tier 4 content, where I finally had to retire the devoted little thing. Poor dear just couldn't keep up with the punishment by that point.

Wish I could get a T6 Temporal version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCIBcADjxV0

>Starfleet Museum-esque realism with a TOS aesthetic, maybe even TNG style
This triggered such a massive dopamine release that my face is still twitching...

>>53795437
Bredy gud. I like this guy's autism, even if I don't agree with everything he's going for.

Biggest problem with STO is that there is no meaningful way of customizing the inside of your ship.

Boarding actions and counter boarding actions could have been an important part of the game.

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>>53796873
>Biggest problem with STO is that there is no meaningful way of customizing the inside of your ship.

Once upon a time anon.. once upon a time..

>>53797101
What am I looking at and why do I want one so badly?

>>53797112
It's an ooold mock up of a ship interior editor for sto. The idea was dropped because the devs decided to sell bridges on the cash shop instead and eventually made it pointless to visit the inside of the ship for the most part. It's something I wish they'd revisit.

>>53795342
I'm sure it will happen eventually.

>>53796873
The biggest problem is that the entire ground combat game is garbage.

>>53798636
Comfiest job in starfleet. You set course from Starbase whatever to Outpost Whothefuckcares carrying basic provisions and then you settle in for a week or so of nothing much but course corrections and polite shit-talking with the rest of the crew.

>>53798683
Bonus if you're lucky enough to get one of the starliner containers, so you can just go down and fuck around in the entertainment suites.

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>>53798636
>>53798683
>>53798702
>Note: Container is a self-contained emergency lifeboat with sub-light velocity and 18 years endurance

There would probably be the basis for a great TNG episode in finding one of these just drifting around in the 24th century, heavily modified by the descendants of the original crew and passengers for long term habitation after their Tug exploded/dumped them. Needless to say, things would have gone full survival horror game aboard it, either due to the same Outside Context Problem which destroyed the Tug sticking around or simply from human nature in an isolated environment with minimal resources.

>>53800229
What a pretty ship. Too bad it got fucking wreked the only time we saw it.

>>53794629
It would be worth it for full on WWII style nose art.

Shit, now I'm imagining the Federation and Romulans handling the integration like the US after V-J Day if we'd gone for annexation.
>"Emperor of Romulus" gets tacked on to the President's titles
>Federation Council becomes Federation Senate
>Romulan refugees settled on worlds formerly emptied of life by the Borg or Dominion
>1950s themes pop back up in human culture, making Tom Paris a celebrity
>Romulaboo humans and Vulcans now exist, as do Feddieboo Romulans
>crazy hull art allowed on Starfleet ships
>Picard says "lolno" when the Ent-E crew asks
>chance for another STVI style movie as Picard and Tomalak try to adjust to the new reality
>NZ monitoring stations grabbed by Galaxy class ships and towed out to the new borders
>scientific collaboration integrates both tech trees plus all the Voyager bringback goodies, much like Nazis in NASA
>the Federation is now so goddamn huge that transwarp corridors have to be constructed to ensure continuity of defense and commerce - Interstellar Highway System a la Eisenhower
>Universal translators make linguistic integration easier than otherwise, but both historical precedent and setting convention suggests English would still be the standard language
>when it becomes clear that integration will be real and lasting, the Klingons freak out and declare war
>a combined arms fleet dropping cloak above Qo'onoS convinces Martok this is a bad idea

>>53802042
So what WWII-style pinup art would /stg have on their ship?

>>53802218
>no steppy snek, but for Terra Prime

>>53802042
>the Dominion invades again
>there's a bunch of D'deridex's and cloaked Akiras and Defiants waiting for them

>>53802492
>Akira's with shark teeth paintjob going BRRRRRRRRTTTT up the dominions ass.

>>53802608
Isn't brrrrrt more the Defiant's deal?

>>53802750
Fuck, meantto type Defiant but for some reason wrote Akira.

Still, with 30 or so torpedo launchers set on rapid fire and with cloaking device so you can manouver the fucker to enemy rear for salvo...

>>53802218
Stone-faced vulcan pinup girl, riding Constitution's secondary hull ladylike.
Undressed.
A nacelle conveniently covers lewd bits.

the art is animated, the girl's lip twitch in a smile and eye in a wink every once in a while

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Am I the only one who kinda likes the Vengence's looks? I mean, aside from the utterly retarded holes through the saucer section?

>>53803825
I liked the holes. The only thing that made the ship somewhat unique, saving it from being just a JJ-verse bastard child of Constitution and Sovereign.

>>53803825
Unfortunately you're not the only one. You prole.

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>>53802608
>>53802825

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>>53802218
A series of abstract shapes that when viewed from the correct angle form a giant space penis.

>>53802042
>treaty forces the Romulan puffy grey quilt uniforms to be deemed as inhumane and they're all given something more form fitting. Everyone is shocked when they find out that Tomalak is fucking ripped.

>>53802218
The Vulcans are finally convinced of nose art but don't fully understand and cover their ships in crazy visual logic puzzles and illusions.

>>53804924
So like dazzle camo from WWII?

>>53804924
>Everyone is shocked when they find out that Tomalak is fucking ripped.

That would be a pretty good reveal. Mouthy old Klingon general starts shit at conference table, of comparable age to Tomalak, pulls out knife and challenges Tomalak to a duel, Tomalak picks him up and slams him through the solid oak table.

Dead fucking silence from rest of the room as idiot Klingon whimpers with waht will later be revealed to be a broken spine.

Martok starts laughing. He's finally found a Romulan he likes.

It was on Tomalak's part a very carefully considered move. Now he had the approval of the Chancellor and nobody is going to challenge his authority again.

>>53805016
but 200% more logical and fascinating.

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>>53804924
So Tomalak would look like Mirror!Picard?

>>53767907
Star Trek can tell stories about optimism if the future is dark but Humanity refuses to become dark to adapt to it. Think, like the Voyager episode "The Void." Or Andromeda, if it had been actually about the Federation as originally intended.

>>53805314
And good. It would help if andromeda was good.

>>53784114
>On a related note, are the only Alpha cannon ships from ToS/Movie era the Connie, Miranda, Excelsior, Oberth, and that Miranda-Turned-Border-Guard for which I can't remember the name of? I'm not forgetting any am I?

The Constellation and Centaur classes are pretty clearly contemporaries of those designs, the Constellation is part of the same lineage as the Constitution and Miranda, and the Centaur is made of Excelsior parts.

In general, though, I think that just speaks to how fantastic the Excelsior class ended up being once they got all the bugs worked out. There's no real need for the proliferation of specialized designs we see in the TNG era when the Excelsior can just do everything better, and the Miranda with its variable mission pods can fill in the gaps for small jobs that aren't worth diverting a whole Excelsior crew to.

>>53805342
Damn shame it wasn't; what a waste of those great High Guard uniforms.

>>53805342
It was decent, before it went totally off the rails near the end.

>>53803825
>>53803982
>>53804005
It does its look very well - it looks like a warship, a lot better than the Sovvie (or hell, even the Defiant). It just doesn't look particularly Trek-y although still better than the Kelvin Connie

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>>53804924
>>53805283

>>53807070
"Can you even lift, Picard?"

>>53802218
I'd want a crazy detailed dragon in flight, with a phaser bank in its mouth.

>>53807070
>>53807306
This is hilarious and awesome.

>>53803825
To make it better they should have gone with something like the Polaris fan ship's extruded sharp seccondary hull, a very squat nearly nonexistent neck like a Sovereign, lose the bulbous nacelle cowls and make them retracting armor sheaths that open up when the ship goes to warp. Lose the huge hole in the saucer but cut the saucer down to a more aggressive hard angled shovel shape like STO's Endeavor class. Give it a B-2 bomber's charcoal grey with lighter grey accents and some red striping which accentuate the phaser balls and torpedo launchers. I honestly have no idea who thought they should make the ship jet black, but they should be fired. Place more phaser balls on the ship, but make them smaller, have all four of those weapons pods around it's deflector be photon torpedo launchers. Add a third nacelle or have four nacelles to make it a proper dreadnought.

>>53806830
Anything is better than the Kelvin connie
>>53807926
Also they should have made the phasers blue, I don't know who thought that making the more advanced phasers orange was the right way to go, since blue indicates a much higher temperature and thus in my mind more power. Also the deflector dish should have been a solid chrome disk with only a thin ring of blue, to indicate it had been coated almost completely in some form of armor.

>>53808064
Blue = ToS phasers.
Red = TNG/DS9/VOY phasers. That's why red is more advanced.

>>53808098
Yeah I get that, but it's backwards and hurts my autism because blue beams automatically make me think they're hotter and thus more dangerous.

>>53806830
How does it even remotely look like a warship? Klingon ships look like warships. Cardassian ships look like warships. The Vengeance looks like someone's OC Donut Steel kitbash that's black "for stealth and cause it's super cool".

>>53808098
to be fair TOS phasers were whatever fucking color the SFX guys felt like and at one time were literal explosive pulses

>>53804924
>>53805122
>>53807070
Aren't Romulans crazy strong to begin with? A buff Romulan would essentially be unstoppable.

>>53801281
Yeah, but at least she looked good doing it. I think an important measure of a ship is how good it looks getting the shit kicked out of it.

>>53808251
I'm not sure if Romulans have that vulcan superstrength.

>>53808285
Kelvin connie failed here too, didn't even fight back. She just got pounded like a slut by Big Black Cannons.

>>53808251
Not really, they don't live on as strong a gravity planet as Vulcan so they're not maintaining their stronk.

Or rather, they've never been shown to have Vulcan-tier strength. Klingon maybe but not Vulcan.

>>53808688
There's only one instance where they've been shown with it: the first Abramstrek movie.

I go with the idea that they're kinda like Klingons; higher strength on average than humans, but truly ridiculous strength is less common.

>>53797101
Stop, you're making me sad.

I always thought STO would be much improved if instead of exploding on death you were boarded and had to fight off the borders to resume space combat.

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>>53805490
I suppose that's one way of looking at it; Excelsior and Miranda holding the main explorer-support rolls for so long due to their designs. Between refits and upgrades (Excelsior v.2 seen being able to update to TNG era power) classes were kitbashed together to fill holes in fleet need, and the Ambassador proved useful but was quickly outpaced by the Galaxy project, and that era of ships that would slowly replace the 80-year-old fleet that had amassed. Turns out the threat of genocide, conquest, and constant sabotage is a good motivation to finally invest in a wide variety of new toys.

I still like some of the Beta designs for the movie era stuff though. The Akula and Apollo as evolutions of the Saladin (and pre-Constelation), the Polaris as miniaturizations of the Connie design, or even the various interpretations of the Decatur as a better armed Connie expy (rear facing torpedoes makes sense damn it!) that would probably be less expensive to produce than the still-new Excelsior line.

>>53811043
It's a shame because the Ambassador was so dramatically more ~AESTHETIC~ than the Galaxy.

>>53807926
I kinda like the jet black look. Though i am also a fan of the Matte Black Defiant in The shatnerverse novel, the return. Matte black, sensor absorbing hull plating and coating, with no windows, no running lights, and the ships engines tuned into the ultraviolet spectrum, so as to barely pt off any light.

>>53811225
I wish we'd seen more Ambassadors pulled out of mothballs for the Dominion War. I always figured the main reason it was retired was that it devoted much more power and space to military hardware than the Galaxy or Nebula, and comparatively little science equipment.

>>53811363
The real reason was that the model was destroyed in an earthquake.

>>53811353
Eh to each his own, I always thought that the jet black was too edgy for a federation design. The name too, which is so dramatically un-federation that it strikes me as something more like a Terran Empire starship, which would be fine if the JJverse took place in the Mirror universe but it quite obviously doesn't.

I could completely imagine it with a very dull brass or even bronze version of the mirror paintjob on it's saucer, standing out in sharp contrast to the black hull. It's the kind of ship I imagine the TE building, oversized, overgunned, built to intimidate.

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>>53811363
It's a lovely ship, it's like a Galaxy and an Excelsior fucked and the Ambassador got the Galaxy's size and the Excelsior's ~AESTHETIC~.

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>>53811043
Cruds I hate all designs that do the full length pylons but from underneath the hull look.

As for the replacement of the aged fleet, I think a lot of the designs contemporary to the Galaxy were supposed to be more than just mere hole-fillers.

There's a definite whole, fairly large generation of ships with the oval saucer design that came in after the Ambassador. Ships that date to before the Galaxy class project, with very different nacelle designs too (square-form like Excelsior and Ambassador). I'd say that at some point there was a shift in design away from the circular hull forms of the older style, which lead to a large generation of ships like the Cheyenne, New Orleans, Freedom and so on getting churned out to replace older lighter vessels with the Nebula and Akira on the tail-end, filling in the conventional heavy cruiser types.

But given the sudden radical shift in design with Intrepid, Sovereign and other now pointy saucer section ships rather than wide ovals, plus the more in-line secondary hulls, I think that the generation the Galaxy was part of was at an end anyway, with the new designs already coming down the pipeline.

The Borg threat just kicked the replacement production into high gear, and up-armed them (plus including radical overhaul projects for older ships) rather than a nice gradual replacement of frontline vessels and shunting the older ships into safer roles, absolutely everything had to be made into fighting state, including all those old Excelsiors and Miranda-types that were just doing milk-runs for the most part.

That's my take on it anyway.

>>53811543
The Challenger, Cheyenne, Niagara, Freedom, and New Orleans are all such great ships. I wish we saw them literally ever in other media.

>>53811640
I dislike all of the kitbash classes from Wolf 359. They were too obviously put together at random.

>>53811667
Like, I understand where you're coming from, but something about them seems earnest and dogeared to me. They're scrappy and the underdogs and no one asked or expected them to do literally anything, but there they are, holding the line and doing the tough jobs. I can respect that.

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>>53811640
Same.

I think I have at most seen them in mods for Star Fleet Command 3.

Though I think a bunch are or were at least planned for including in Armada 3. Not played in a while... really should go check that out.

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>>53811225
It kind of reminds me of the difference between the Constitution and it's refit looking backward step. If you look at movie Connie and then to TOS connie, you see a much more simple, rounder version of the same idea. Going Galaxy to Ambassador is similar in my eyes.

>>53811363
A shame they didn't add some in. Model department and CG team were weirdly fixated on movies 2 and 3.

>>53811543
>Cruds I hate all designs that do the full length pylons but from underneath the hull look.
I kind of like them, and in a lore viewpoint see them as a lesser model. Probably easier to built (no star drive taking up materials), but les powerful warp fields than the horizontal-nacel field, which would explain why no hero or cruiser ships sport that design, and why the Constellation has evolved the idea into two horizontal engine pairs above and below.

I tend to hate the TNG ship ascetic. Those ugly ovals and stretched hulls; the Nebula, and the ships in the pic you posted. I wonder if the Galaxy looks better to me because it's designed well, or because I've been staring at it literally my whole life.

The Akira-Saber-Soverign ships I like more, but after reading your theory and typing this out, that might be because they're basically more advanced renderings of the movie era-type ships.

>more than filling holes
Definitely. No reason to assume (aside from show budgets limiting the number of cannon ships we see) that the fleets in Star Trek don't have specific rolls the ships fill, some rolls falling out of favor with the times, technology, or philosophy like actual navies (subs, carriers, and so on replacing other ship types).

The Excelsior line is, and will always be, my shipfu.

>>53811474
>The name too, which is so dramatically un-Federation
There's a Miranda hull named the Vengeance, though it's not a class of ships, and was one of the mook Mirandas killed during the Dominion War.

>>53811543
>I think that the generation the Galaxy was part of was at an end anyway
Considering the Galaxy class took 20+ years from prototyping to production, I can easily see why. Especially when its forebears are nearly 50 years old by the 2370s.

>>53805283
Is this comic any more than the first issue? Read it in the thread a while back and thought it was great.

>>53811835
I meant the pylons from under the secondary hull as in the >>53811043 image.

The oval hull stuff is difficult to make look good. I still don't think the Galaxy looks particularly great outside of when they got some decent lighting on it in Generations, but it could be worse. Akira manages it, as does the Cheyenne and New Orleans.

But for the most part I think the wide oval is just very hard to combine well with other shapes. Galaxy gets away with it because it's got all those curves, but fuck me I hate Probert's oval-using Ambassador. it's like nails down a chalkboard in terms of shaping because elements clash when they could be reshaped just a bit and it'd work much, much better from more angles than a plain side profile. Without even turning it into the canon Ambassador. Nebula to me just looks fat because it took all those curves and bunched them up.

>>53811852
Galaxy is one of those designs that just screams something like 'lets use everything we've refined over this generation to make a super ship'. And they managed it. But then because it took so long, shortly after it was done there was a huge generational change and the super ship was no longer so super due to radically changed design requirements, even though it was planned to last for ages with refits over time. Galaxy would need refits that made the TOS to TMP one look like an oil change in order to really keep up, it's hugeness just works against it. Like it'd need a complete change in saucer section to keep up with the newer designs in terms of top/cruising speed, not just swapping out nacelles. Unless it's just going to rapidly get shunted away from front line duties, which is kinda insane for such a large and capable ship.

But there's no way it's going to be chugging around decades down the line like Excelsior.

>>53812135
>But there's no way it's going to be chugging around decades down the line like Excelsior.

I think the luxury factor of the Galaxy will keep it in service for a long time, but it will be fairly quickly relegated to internal missions instead of exploration. Basically the "bus an ambassador around" episodes of TNG were the Galaxy's future.

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>>53812307
Absurd cargo and passenger room aside, the Galaxy is also at the top of the food chain in its respective era. While the saucer could be left alone, some refits to the star drive could mean your fleet of flying hotels could be quickly converted into a fleet of agile battle cruisers capable of being threats for decades to come.

>>53812135
>the Decatur underlons
I kind of agree, but it's one of the reasons I see it as a fitting evolution of the Connie: basically the same mass, but more weapons and a slightly smaller profile to make it a less easy target.
And in some shots it doesn't look as bad as it could. Are there that many under-pylon designs? I've only really noticed this one (for TMP designs at least).

>all those curves and bunched them up
Just thinking about the Nebula sickens me.

>>53812307
Perhaps, though the Galaxy is a full sized cruise liner when really just a decent Yacht will do. Basically I think it's too fat for even a super prestigious taxi. Takes a lot of crew to keep it running that could be used on a far more suitable ship.

I'd expect the rush-built Galaxys that survived the Dominion war to be mostly fully purposed as combat vessels and kept around for that. Refitting the saucer section for a lot more torpedoes (probably replacing the captain's yacht with a Quantum torpedo launcher akin to the Sovereign's for a start), troop transport capability, bigger hangar deck... But Star Fleet has a whole lot of ships to replace and new generation starships to build following the Dominion war, Galaxy class I'd say would just be too much effort that's needed elsewhere and I'd bet would be dead without even one of it's planned 20 year overhauls, because too big to just discard, but too big to just rework. With that in mind I'd figure it would miss out on a radical early overhaul that would keep it relevant for longer, since there's very few of them around it wouldn't likely get one later on either and whatever is left from the handful of complete ships (I think 3 of the originals were not dead) and rush-built, mostly empty war era ships just get decommissioned.

And as for its role as a deep space explorer, it had run into brick wall of being too valuable as a hugely powerful combat vessel and general flag-waver in a time of a lot of direct threats to the Federation to simply expend on that. The war-era Galaxys are probably not even capable of it.

What happened to that enterprise writefag?

>>53812573
Actually, the saucer comes apart in sections, so you can swap mission profiles pretty rapidly. The only thing you'd need to totally swap it for was the later variant that gave the saucer a small warp drive. Aside from upgrading the phaser array, which wasn't described as being easy to swap, but I'd imagine that's easier. Hell you could also turn both the Nebula and Galaxy into heavily armed hospital ships, in case of Dominion or Borg shenanigans, then turn right around and swap the hospital sections for weapons or fighter bays.

>>53812573
Could be used as training ship, with that much crew requirement.

>>53812593
That still means building and hanging on to large chunks of ship with the idea that maybe it'd be useful later.

And swapping out sections is not that great an idea when it comes to crisis time, since it means taking the ship off the lines, moving it to where the new hull section is, going through the whole process of detaching and reattaching the required segments. All this is taking time away from the ship doing the important bit of travelling to places and doing things.
It's fine if the ship is like an old Ptolemy tug of barely more than a crewed warp drive for moving different standard pods, but the Galaxy isn't that.

>Disarmed Galaxy class
>Load the engineering section with a regular cycle of Academy students
>Saucer section is occupied by all civilians
>Bridge is turned into a nightclub, ship is run from the Battle Bridge
>Cargo bays have even more transporters installed
>Everyone on board votes which planet to go to next
>Ship arrives in orbit, beams down entire civilian population along with their support gear at a neat location
>Throws a big fuckall 5000+ person party
>The greatest party in the universe, coming to a planet near you
>Get picked up by the end of the week
>Occasionally locals join in and the civilian population expands further
>Few days to recover and then vote on the next stop on the party tour
>Ship is captained by a Vulcan that doesn't understand any of this but orders are orders and the colorful drinks and mostly undressed females are very acceptable.

Does anyone have SFB or FedCom rules in PDF form?

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I'm not an artist or a modeler of any kind, but after 1000+ hours in pencil and ruler here's a rough sketch of what I would have liked to have seen from the Vengeance.

I wish we'd got new official Prime universe ship designs. Everything new is either prequel shit, unofficial, or alternate timeline.

Sovereign/Akira/Steamrunner/Norway/Sabre are now as old designs to us as they were to the original TOS Constitution. Really polarizes my protons.

>>53814346
The bridge should be on the top of the saucer, not wherever it is now.

>>53814358
New material would mean hiring people who could write, so fuck that noise. You'll get an entire series full of "Code of Honor" and like it.

>>53814385
Not the bridge, just another quad phaser/torpedo ball. The bridge would stay where it was, sunken into the armor of the hull completely.

>>53814403
I figured it wasn't on the bottom, I just dislike the bottle opener saucer. It also doesn't fit the style of the Federation to keep their bridge at the core of the ship.

>>53814421
I figured I'd leave it there in the center of the saucer, but then actually have it enclosed fully, seeing as shields don't seem to do jack shit in the JJverse. I mean even fresh out of the box Kelvin Connie's shields weren't strong enough to keep space debris from scraping hull plates off her.

>>53814037
http://www.starfleetgames.com/fc/FCFirstMissions.pdf

This what you're looking for?

>>53814495
Looking for either the SFB 2012 Master Rules or the FedCom Rules Reference.

>>53812307
Post DS9, the Galaxy class is a proven heavy weapons platform with high durability. I'm pretty sure they'd still be around up to the 2460's. No doubt taking a back seat to newer designs, but if it works why get rid of it?

Aside from the comics, do we ever get to see a rear shot of the Narada?

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I think the Galaxy's engineering hull would be worth hanging on to as a ship. It's got pretty much all the facilities, or space for them if they're not already there. It's got cargo bays, shuttle bays, a ton of weaponry including both the ship's torpedo launchers, a fucking gigantic main deflector, proportionally a huge warp drive, incredibly strong tractor beam emitters and so on.

Ditch the saucer section and re-purpose some space in the hull for the now dramatically smaller crew requirements and you've got a heavy cruiser about the size of an Excelsior but with improved utility capabilities and a massive armament, if light on crew comforts.

>>53814346
Give her more of an Excelsior fantail, maybe some lines to suggest the warp hump the original had on top of the secondary hull

The second shuttlebay at the stern always felt too tacked-on, I like the idea of extending the ventral hangar but not too far.-maybe switch the material from the rest of the hull for contrast..

>>53818697
Just slap an old Excelsior saucer section on her for accommodations, maybe even as a super-shuttle for planetary operations: if it comes off a refit with the additional impulse engines, you can even tear out the original centerline unit to make room for the connection and have space left over for a new shuttlebay to make up for losing the Galaxy's colossal main hangar...

>>53818697
I could see the mirror universe Federation turning the star drive into long-range destroyers. Load up the square with cargo and torpedoes, dock it behind a moon, and let the suped up star drive hope a system or so over and wreck shit. Just reattach the saucer to result and crew rotation.

>>53819308
Hell, knowing the mirror universe folks, the saucer section would have several strip bars, brothels and a daycare center.

>How could we make STO better? Said Cryptic, puzzled
>I know! Yelled a dev. We need to add more spyware and grind!
>What a brilliant idea! Exclaimed Cryptic with glee.

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>>53820011
Yes, anon, the rest of us have the launcher too.

>>53819855
>not combining all three AND adding a shooting range

>>53811821
They're in Armada 3, though they're hard to get. They're part of the Federation Reserve Fleet (or whatever it's called), you need a special tech to unlock them and you can only get so many at once in a big scattershot of ships. They "warp in" from other areas and arrive in your home system when you use the ability on the Federation HQ.

>>53811764
I would respect that more if they weren't obviously just random shit from the parts bin glued together in vaguely ship-like arrangements. It broke my suspension of disbelief.

>>53826627
Yeah but I still kinda like 'em. I 100% get that someone couldn't like them and I even agree that they're a little dopey looking, but it really feels like something Starfleet might do in that era instead of building real ships: just glue parts together that you already know work and call it a day. I like that sort of aesthetic, so I like those kitbashes. If I could, I'd have a little Freedom-class model on my desk honestly.

>>53804196
This is new to me and absolutely INSANE. Tell me more exists for like other ships

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>>53828349
These are the only three development badges I know about.

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>>53812120
Not yet, But there IS a mirror!next gen section in one of the non IDW comics. Star Trek Mirror Images, issue 3. Has young Picard shanking the vulcan captain cause he was about to surrender to a klingon and Cardassian force, after jack crusher died. He takes command of the ISS Starbreaker, says an awesome victory speech and then warps off to kick ass.

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>>53828349
>>53828366
>>53828556
Amazing. I wish there were more.

I have a unrelated related question. I'm watching voyager for the first time and was wondering how the crew/ship keeps up with repairs after each battle? I mean I'm in season 2 and damn the ship keeps taking a beating but they always seem normal come next episode. Is there a in universe rational?

>>53812817
U.S.S. Gomorrah?

I'm in.

>>53829846
Only if the stardrive section is separately commissioned as the USS Sodom

>>53829819
NOPE! Enjoy.

>>53829893
Fund it.

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>>53829819
Short answer?
Industrial Fabricator.

Long Answer?
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>>53804196
>>53828349
>>53828556
Yeah, the Prometheus was definitely a shiny Tal Shiar decoy.

>>53829819
Offscreen repair time, assistance from the occasional peaceful race and poor overall continuity.

>>53829819
Same way as it keeps supplied with torpedoes and red shirts.

>>53833705
I kinda think the torpedo thing is bollocks. I get that they used more than they had originally, but you have to figure they were eventually able to trade for weapons with other races or scavenge warheads from any of the numerous hulks they came across.

>>53833743
That could have been an interesting early episode where they get into an ethical quandary on should the ever so noble and moral Star Fleet should be getting into the local arms trade and what are they willing to trade to survive.

The punchline at the end of the episode being that whilst they were wrestling with their ever so enlightened consciences and deciding that they wouldn't do business on Tortuga Station Neelix pulls up with his shitty little boat stacked floor to ceiling with warheads.

They only sent him out to pick up some star charts.

Hi there. Anon who was super into star trek but hasn't been reading about it for a year or so.

How does this new Discovery show look?

>>53834026
Looks like JJTrek without the enthusiasm.

>>53833983
Visually, like JJTrek. There's a Chinese ship and captain (Michelle Yeoh) in the trailer, which is a painfully obvious bit of studio meddling to get the chinks to allow broadcasts/sales over there. The dialogue was flat and cringy.

>>53834044
Oh, is it in the JJ timeline?

>>53834068
It's supposed to be a prequel to TOS ("ten years before Kirk and Spock"), so possibly? If it were Prime timeline it would be set at the same time as the original TOS pilot.

>>53834068
No. It just really looks like it.

>>53833983
This. I'd have loved more expansion on the whole "Neelix is only so lighthearted and happy because you have to be to get by in the (relative) grim darkness of the Delta Quadrant" thing that was implied from the start and that STO treated better than VOY ever did, and him just casually pulling up with enough ordnance for a small task force would've really raised some *interesting* questions.

>>53834602
It would also give the Kazon more reason to attack Voyager if Neelix was constantly stealing from them.
>and then in season 3 he comes back with some salvaged torpedoes with a disturbingly familiar green glow

>>53834026
Dull. All the presented characters seemed very bland and uncharistmatic. Yet another round of YOU'RE SPECIAL! YOU HAVE A DESTINY! for the main character without anything to back that up (because star trek and special destinies get on so well...).
Visual design is annoyingly dark, very unfitting for what it's supposed to be, ship designs are ugly, klingon redesigns are ugly.

Might be good.

Probably won't.
But there's a lot of legit reasons to be wary.

>>53834602
>>53834785
It's also hinted at that Neelix is ex-military.

It's also known that his home world was nuked from orbit. And he stood in those ashes where the family home should have been, looking for his sisters. It's implied that he found at least one of them, burned almost beyond recognition. We do get to see what he saw in a flash back dream.

He was also not typical of his kind.

The military survived (possibly making him a deserter) and had enough balls/lack of giving a fuck to attack a Kazon stolen Voyager because FUCK THE FUCKING KAZON! Keep in mind that they are in ships centuries behind Voyager in technology but they did it anyway because if their chests were a cannon they would give the fuckers a heart broadside.

And then there's Neelix. He smiles, tries to cook, takes the job of "moral officer" to make people happy. What horrors go on beyond those sad eyes? What sustained and tortuous cruelty?

Maybe his whole reason for signing on to a ship that was a one way ticket to the other end other galaxy was to escape the ghosts. Maybe after ~75,000 light years they will stop following him. Protip - they won't, he carries them with him. As he should. His journey on Voyager should have been coming to terms with and learning to live with them.

>>53834785
>>53835463
You make me sad, anons. Sad because we could've had this instead of a wacky foil for Tuvok or Seven

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>>53835437
Wait, these are seriously the Klingons?

>>53835577
Are they?
I was under the impression that they were just a new alien species that was gonna be just a copy paste of klingons but with new looks or something.

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>>53835577
According to leaks they're Molor's Klingons that fought against Kahless back in ye olde Klingonne days and are now back because they're pissed off for one reason or another.

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>>53835794
>tfw this isn't the tier 6 excelssior and instead we got pic related

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>>53835794
tfw it took until 2370s for Star Fleet to get an aesthetically fitting new nacelle design to plug on to the Excelsior

>>53835917
That's because they're shit at aesthetics to the point it must be on purpose.

>>53836277
From an in-universe perspective, the original nacelles were designed to work at transwarp. There was no need to upgrade them.

>>53835917
It could be worse, it could be the Intel Cruiser, or the super pointy nacelles of the Heavy Escort Carrier. (I just want a Patrol Escort/Maelstrom class carrier, for god's sakes)

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>>53837029
It felt funny to watch ships ten times my size blow up around me, while i was just flying around plinking at enemy ships with my phasers and they didn't give a shit about me.

>>53837058
It strikes me as bizarre that the Enterprise Refit doesn't have a white hull material, when we've never seen one without it.

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>>53837058
That's how I feel flying one of the temporal ships.

>>53835917
With a circular saucer it'd look okay

>>53835917
Blessed be the shovel.

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I guess the theme of the thread is refits

>>53838812
>Galaxy with even more impulse power and better warp engines
You could probably tow an M class moon with a few of those.

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>>53838781
What is that, like a Block III refit for the Constitution?

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>>53839173
More like a refit for those built to Enterprise class standards, assuming any survived to be in mothballs long enough to warrant pulling out and radically overhauling.

Honestly as much as I like several post-original movie era refits to the Constitution/Enterprise class that I've seen, logically the class should be extinct and in museums.
But... it looks nice.

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>>53839418
that's just obscene

>>53835794
So are these guys the Hurq/Fehklhiri, basically? Because honestly I'd be down for either of those turning out to just be another faction of klingons with different ideals.

So if the Prime!intrepid class is a Section 31 Spy-ship, what is it in the Mirror universe? Heavy gunship? Courier? Warship?

>>53839353
"Enterprise" class? I'll admit I'm not too familiar with STO ships

>>53842295
It's nonexistent, since the Terran Empire got mcfucked shortly before TNG Era kicked in

>>53842295
>section 31
>a rogue group of unknown, probably tiny size
>not just Star Fleet Intelligence


>>53842313
I'm not familiar with STO ships either other than hating their shite design aesthetic. But Enterprise class is ships built to TMP-refit standard original Enterprise, rather than the older, almost entirely dead Constitution class ships. It's such a radical overhaul that it's been given that as a name now for decades.

>>53842295
She's a gunrunner/privateer for Romulan-backed Terran radicals. The Terrans give the Cardies and Klingonsa bloody nose and the Romulans take a share of their loot. Everybody wins.

>>53842494
So instead of Terran made, shes Rommie madew ith rommie equipment and innards, with Terran Asthetic, to fool people? I like this.

>>53842417
>But Enterprise class is ships built to TMP-refit standard original Enterprise

Ah, new production Constitution refits. Gotcha.

>>53842575
the Romulans probably snagged up a few Terran worlds and stations, as well as scientists and Engineers. I figure it's a mish-mash of both.

More importantly, it gives a Mirror Universe excuse for Warlord Janeway.

>>53842620
So, green plasma in the nacelles, and a singularity core? With Bioneural circuitry and disruptors. Half Romulan engineer, that has to keep the ship running as two different technologies try to coexist. Warlord Janeway is burning a path through space, the pilot is kinda shit at piloting, first officer is a staunch cardie/kling apologist...

>>53842980
Instead of Tom Paris, they get the guy Tom Paris was based off of.

>>53843199
Why didn't they just use that character in the first place

>>53844260
Legal issues, they'd have to pay the original writers of that episode more money. It was cheaper to just take the same character and give him a new name and pretend he's totally new.

>>53844260
Most likely cause is apparently not wanting to pay royalties to the writer of that episode for continuous use of the character.

>>53844260
>>53844383
>>53844394
My headcanon to solve that?

His name was really Tom Paris when he was in the acadamy with Wesley. He used his mothers maiden name of Lucarno? while making up Nicholas for his first name.

This also jives with his attitude towards the other cadets, talking as if he were older.
He is older. He failed out of the acadamy when his father was instructor, specifically survival strategies, something he would learn the hard way after joining the Maquis.

The rest falls into place.

>>53833743
Yeah, that would have been reasonable and totally easy. Just have some character mention to another one in some episode that it's great they were able to make / trade for / whatever (unspecified quantity) of photon torpedoes. But they didn't.

And, fairly regularly, I see them using photon torpedoes when phasers would have been just as good (their enemy's engines and weapons are offline, why drop 4 torpedoes on finishing them off when a couple phaser barrages would work just fine?). They basically were torn between doing the "can they survive waythefuckaway from the Federation?" and regular Star Trek where almost nothing gets carried over from one episode to another.

Really that's the show's problem; they were so focused on being episodic that they didn't bother with basic little things like that, but the opportunities for them to were frequently fairly obvious.

>>53833705
To be fair, they dropped torpedoes like nobody's business (multiple times I noticed them firing salvoes of torpedoes when one or some phaser fire would do, presumably because they thought it would look cool), but they tended not to lose redshirts.

They lose people here and there, but it's only an average of 1-2 per season (with a lot of them clumped into the first season or two). Plus they got 5ish characters from that Nova class, but I don't think we ever see them again.

>>53846903
I like the idea, but one problem is that Tom passed and graduated from the Academy. In order for that to work, he would've had to be Nicholas first, and then more things unravel from there.

>>53842980
A Flaxian chef that's actually an assassin. A Romulan handler, preferably Tomalak, that becomes increasingly exhasperhated with each "successful mission" as the Terrans have a nasty habit of plowing up their targets with cargo and all

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>>53847997
I'm trying to determine which this scene mirrors more:

The sinking of the Klingon BoP at the end of ST4:TVH, or the sinking of the captured Jem'Hadar ship in "Rocks and Shoals"

I think the former as they actually stood on the hull of the ship in a similar manner and we only see the latter as CGI sinking in the background IIRC.

>>53753664
You got me thinking British, so what about Matt Smith or David Tenant? The Doctor Is basically Q anyway.

>>53850572
If they go Tenant we could end up with Scottish Q.

>>53851095
I'd be okay with that.

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