It's a Female Space Marine Thread

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>>53747281
So age of sigmar thread.

>>53747316
>mfw the guys have bigger pecs

I used to be so against this and now honestly I just feel they should do it. Who really gives a fuck?

The fluff reason is just that, fluff. It's less significant of a change than many changes they've already made. The only thing would be the expense of new models I guess.

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>>53747281

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>>53747281
They shouldn't.

Instead they should be made into Female Custodes and Primaris to represent their female supremacy over the ebil Astartes patriarchy.

Or have a female Empress show up too who is the Emperor's perpetual sister or something.

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>>53747406
They don't even need models, women have been in the Imperial Guard forever but they haven't made a model since the 90s.

It would just be nice to open it up for conversions.

>>53747281
I wouldn't care. The problem is, rather than doing it with a clean, quiet retcon, they'll likely find some way to botch it and make a change in the tortured lore instead.

>>53747281
>let's talk about why women should be allowed
It's not a matter of not being allowed, it's a matter of geneseed incompatibility. IIRC the Emperor tried making female Marines and couldn't.

There are plenty of factions in the game that are exclusively female or allow for both genders, so I don't see why this is such a hot-button topic.

>>53747281
Wear the fucking helmet or don't. What is this goggles on head nonsense?

Let's talk about how they are and always have been and you never noticed.

>>53747622
>It's not a matter of not being allowed, it's a matter of geneseed incompatibility. IIRC the Emperor tried making female Marines and couldn't.
It's not really the lore disallowing women so much as GW. I'm honestly surprised it didn't happen with Primaris marines since they are just as disruptive as female marines would have been.
>so I don't see why this is such a hot-button topic.
There's actually been a surprising lack of autistic screeching so far not that it will last long.

>>53747281
because their hormones get so warped that they're basically men anyway.

Literally all that would happen is some characters would admit in their heavy thunderous marine voice that they were female and continue to call and be called brother.

but in all honesty, the fluff is a very large place that allows for secret chapters of female space marines ranging from realistic to fap-bait so why the fuck not. Just don't expect everyone to praise you for it.

>>53747281

Anybody who actually care about the game would be against FemMarines on Lore Reasons. If they want "female representation" they should push to make a bigger market for SoB, and for more female Imperial Guard and Inquisitor models.

Don't mess with the lore when there is no reason for it. Either make the market for the already existing female Imperials or shut up and continue to play Tyranids.

>>53747690
This is my favourite potential retcon.

That bald sneering jarhead, with a body like five linebackers lashed together, and a face like a bulldog chewing a lemon? That thing used to be a woman.

Welcome to Warhammer 40K.

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>>53747728
>continue to play Tyranids

The question that always comes up in these threads is who would Female Space Marines even appeal to? Who would buy them? Could their profit from Female Space Marines offset the cost in a meaningful way? I highly doubt that the women who play this game would instantly lap up female space marines and make GW millions.

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>>53747622
This, there's an entire faction, the Adepta Sororitas full of strong independent females who are more devout and capable than half the galaxy.

There also might be a guard reg. made up of mostly women (cant remember if it was just a fanwork or if it got a mention in the old IG codexes).

But aside from the dumb reasons to push for more females and female empowering characters (there's just not large player base or chicks for tabletop games to be catering towards.)

>>53747406
>Who really gives a fuck?
changing an established fictional setting for the sake of "inclusiveness" is absolutely retarded

There are other avenues in 40k that can be explored if you really wanted toy soldiers with vaginas.

would female ogryn models be lore friendly.
snu snu

>>53747815
This fucking this.

You spergs won't admit it, but the sole reason you want female space marines is 'muh equality' and 'muh inclusiveness'.

This shit has been established for a really really long time, and the only reason to suddenly do femspacemarines is because "it's current year"

>>53747622
>I don't see why this is such a hot-button topic.

Because "women only" is equality and "men only" is misogyny, shitlord.

>>53747839
Yeah, they aren't gene modded

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>>53747771
This. I suspect the real reason why GW doesn't make female space Marines is that, with how much muscle mass they'd have, they wouldn't be recognizably feminine anymore, and not many girls want to play a masulated version of themselves.

Now if only there was an army of badass warrior women who wore power armor, used boltguns, were divided into subgroups with different tactical doctrines, and still retained their femininity...

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>>53747873
I don't think anyone wants them (apart from some hambeast with multicolored hair ranting about feminism).But the idea is radically different from the norm so entertaining it isn't as bland as talking about how much a space marine can lift with his left arm.

Also there's probs a good amount of fa/tg/uys who want sm waifus.

>>53747753
I agree
Not like space marines need to have genitalia, they're basically just killing machines

>>53747873
>You spergs won't admit it, but the sole reason you want female space marines is 'muh equality' and 'muh inclusiveness'.

No, i'm pretty sure it's because neckbeards can't separate their porn and fetishes from their wargaming hobby, and muscle-girls are kinda hot

The average /tg/ goer doesn't give a fuck about equality

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>>53747622
Hey, if my lore gets destroyed your lore gets destroyed.

>>53748074
>This. I suspect the real reason why GW doesn't make female space Marines is that, with how much muscle mass they'd have, they wouldn't be recognizably feminine anymore, and not many girls want to play a masulated version of themselves.
neets and weeaboos wouldn't buy them either if they weren't recognizably female.

It would be funny but would make people really upset if GW had said with the numarines that Cawl found a way to make the process work with women as well, but that the final result was almost indistinguishable from the men unless you saw them nude, and that about half the numarines *were* female and people just couldn't tell.

>>53747839
I need to make me a Tio model now.

>>53747281
They shouldn't, and anyone who wants them is either a ridiculously thirsty and unattractive fetishist or a thinly-veiled sjw. There's no reason for them to exist, it clashes with the lore, and it would make no money.

>>53748074
They did okay with the female Stormcast.

Only looks slightly female with showing abs and a slightly more feminine chestplate which wasnt even boobplate.

Dunno why all the lorefags get super anal about female marines popping up. GW and their lawyers clearly give no shits about fluff, just ask cadia.

All this stubborness about lore and not being politically correct is really a bit shallow and it kind of shits on creativity too. If chicks or sjws want to play female marines just let em. What are you going to do anyways when its their models in the first place.

>>53748201
even in-universe space marines are really stupid. The resources that go into raising, training, and equipping a space marine is really intense for something about as effective as two to three guardsmen.

>>53747316

Do wish they'd made her a bit bulkier/closer to the male ones. The crop top armour does look a bit goofy.

>>53748229
So this is why people turn to historicals eventually.
There's no lore to fuck up or sjwify.

>>53748229
>All this stubborness about lore and not being politically correct is really a bit shallow and it kind of shits on creativity too. If chicks or sjws want to play female marines just let em.
t.SJW

>>53747622

>There are plenty of factions in the game that are exclusively female or allow for both genders, so I don't see why this is such a hot-button topic.

The issue is generally 'The female-only faction has not had support since 3e while the male only faction is the posterboy of the setting and gets more support with individual sub-factions as some entire factions get.

In addition, the gender-equal factions have basically zero models to represent that gender equality. The Guard ones are out of production and barely existed in the first place and other factions are about the same (Even Eldar only get female models for only a few units)

You'd likely not hear anywhere near as much if the SOB were equally pushed as Space Marines.

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>>53748318

They left two legions out of the lore for a reason anon, so you can go and make whatever fucked up legion/successor chapter you want.The lore will stay the same but you and whoever is at your gamestore will have a small bit of alternate lore yourself.

>>53748239
There's a threshold where you need all that power concentrated

>>53747622
>The Emperor tried making female Marines and couldn't.
This is false. The Emperor specifically did not make female marines, and removed anything resembling a sex drive from the male marines, to prevent them from overruning and replacing humanity. The Emperor loves mankind, not the barely human supersoliders created to protect it.

>>53748265
they wanted to make sure people knew she was female, though the male stormcast chest plates are actually bulkier than the female chest plate.

I personally think her design isn't that good. The chest plates are one of the most striking things about the design of the stormcast and they should have made her chestplate look more similar. Just because she is a woman does not mean the armor that is three times the size of he chest anyway needs to have breasts sculpted on it.

>>53748229
No one actually stops them from making female marines. There's simply no president that warrants their official inclusion via new plastic kits.

It's also rather uncreative, to be perfectly honest.

Making a new cadian guardsmen kit is needed for a number of reasons, and adding a few female heads and torsos to it is more warranted.

As is creating a plastic Sisters of Battle line.


The issue is never actually about "female spacemarines," but about female minis. The only ones available are either decades-old overpriced metal models, eldar, and WHFB/AoS models. We only just recently got Greyfax and SoS, but those weren't so much things people really demanded and don't really help the situation. (Celestine gives high hopes however)

>>53747477

Honestly, if they'd wanted to include female marine-like models the Custodes would have been a good idea. They have so damn little fluff that gender restrictions have never been mentioned (Either way, existing or not) and they don't have the 'Geneseed doesn't work on women' thing sitting about because the Custodes process is different.

>>53748378
I thought it was because they wanted to get serious and thought the Rainbow Warriors weren't cool any more

I actually kind of want to make a HH force of rainbow warriors anyway, but I know for a fact people would sperg about it

>>53748358
>You'd likely not hear anywhere near as much if the SOB were equally pushed as Space Marines.
They will never be, because like all female "soldiers" they're little more than fetish bait for pathetic neckbeards. Girls do not, and never will, play wargames in significant numbers, so pandering to them is pointless.

>>53747873
>This shit has been established for a really really long time, and the only reason to suddenly do femspacemarines is because "it's current year"

Nah. The bigger reason is 'People already own space marine models and if we give them new female marine only units we can make them buy more marines rather than sitting on existing models'.

Like how Primarines are all new units rather than just a new marine model.

>>53748409
The problem with a new IG kit is the current IG line is very much tied to the current 2002 Cadian kit, so they would essentially have to remake the existing kit.

How cool would it be for a huge rollout of plastic Vostroyans to be the new face of the IG? Cadia was destroyed after all...

>>53748301
Give it time.

They've already ruined historical settings like world war 1 and the middle ages with the we wuz aussies or kangz.

>>53748389

>they wanted to make sure people knew she was female, though the male stormcast chest plates are actually bulkier than the female chest plate.

Yeah, I think they could have done something more like the sanquinery guard and it would have looked nicer if they wanted it to be recognisably female. A big, solid plate with detailing.

>>53748318
And what're you gonna do about it?

Whine on /tg/ while libs and neckbeards model titties on spess murines to make transexual or slutty looking looking female marines?

Women make shit soldiers.

Stop being dildos.

>>53748471

>WWI
>We Wuz Aussies

You know Australia was actually part of that war, right? I mean, it's part of their entire cultural history with Galipolli, the Light Horse Brigade etc and a major turning point for the country politically.

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>>53748416
Yeah it did start as a wonky legions they made up while drunk af, then got retconned almost immortally upon realizing that it was

A. a stupid idea for the legions and probably would hurt the image they were trying for (grimdarkness, ultra masculinity, and edgy shit).

B.(The one I allways heard) was that they knew people would be making their own models and shit using other companies and manufacturers. But they wanted to retain those people to a WH40k setting which would lead to them actually buying the GW models.

Thats why if anyone brought in a female sm army I'd have no problem with it because thats one of the things that GW got right (Allowing for personal additions to the lore).

>>53748414
Yeah.

Its not like females havent been T4 in 40k before anyways, mechanicus female magos, assassins, and daemon possessed females have all been probably as strong or stronger than a line astartes.

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>>53748517
Nice try Shlomo.

>>53748561
No dice made the aussies black in battlefield.

>>53748471
This is much more interesting than the OP tell me about the shitposters taking over ww1.

>>53748620
oh you talking about vidya. who cares.

>>53748608
Whine on /tg/ it is lol.

So I guess you can't stop it after all.

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>>53748552
We're not arguing that freindo. We're debating why GW has decided to not pursue more female characters or increase the female factions already in existence.

The side supporting the female space marines is currently losing the debate, so theres no need to get hyped.

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>>53748625
/pol/ cares.

You should be worried when an entire generation is literally being brainwashed with sjw lies about history.

>>53747316
Beides the crop top I like it.

>>53747281

Can you imagine what would have happened if we had female space marines...

>The long secret of the Dark Angels...

Long gone, we all know women cant hold secrets for shit. They would be all "and then Luther that dick just started a freaking rebellion or something, gash! Hes so annoying.. .Anyways, so how was your day?"

>>53748673
>/pol/
You have to go back.

>>53748571
The rainbow warriors are just unfortunate. They were a reference to some native american mythology but then shortly after "rainbow" came to mean "gay"

>>53748608
Making fetish fuel female marines that will probably get hot glued by neckbeards is hardly sjw-tier.

>>53748651
>If I shove dildos up my plastic army men's asses, I win
Whatever you say, kek.

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>>53748673

And? What's the lie? There were over aboriginal soldiers in the AIF. The numbers were not super high but they did serve.

>>53748673

Why do you insist on making /pol/ look like we're all in white genocide panic mode 24/7, cause thats what your doing.

Let me think about anything other than the liberal history rewritting for more than 5 seconds please.

>>53748673
Its vidya made by sweden. I thought you were saying historicals were being corrupted to sell resin to Australians. That would of been funny.

Just like GW hasn't made female marines because it would hurt the teenage boy sales. Badly. And that is their bread and butter.

>>53748751

>Just like GW hasn't made female marines because it would hurt the teenage boy sales. Badly. And that is their bread and butter.

Eh, I think it's less 'It would hurt' and more 'It would be more investment for not much gain'. People are unlikely to buy less marines just because 1/10 models in the box are a girl but that does mean a need for another mould.

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>>53748726
>injuns?
>homos?

I thought it was them thinking up some weird shit named 'rainbow warriors' then the the 'Rainbow Warrior' ship incident happened IRL and it became a touchy subject so they dropped it in and concept.

Also it was the dark angels who were the native Americans based legion in the setting originally.But that got dropped for the super old testament monk thing.

>>53747771
This was never a space marine. Quit being deliberately retarded.

>>53747281
You can do whatever you want with your models
conversion wise. Make up a good lore for it and
it just makes whatever you're playing that much
better. There's two fill-in-the-blank aka
-REDACTED- legions to play around with, and
there's no reasonchaos space marines can't be
women.

I just don't get the pining about the emperor not
wanting women in his legions. That even adds
flavor to your models too, because they might
piss off the stricter chapters.

This game is what you make it. Build the models
well, paint them well, make a good story, play by
the rules and no one can stop you.

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>>53748916
What, sure it was. Just look, read quite clearly at center bottom "Female Space Marine Gabs." Also note "Female Space Marine Jayne" at the top right corner.

>>53749295

Those both says "Female Warrior".

>>53747815
>>53747873
>m-muh sjw bogeyman

Maybe I just want female space marines because I like female space marines?

>>53748462
>plastic Vostroyans

I was personally hoping for trenchcoat guardsmen with Vostroyan and Steel Legion headswaps.

Could even make up a regiment to add to the headswaps. they take up so little space anyway.

>>53747728

Up until Primaris Marines, I would have agreed with this.

Now, I give no shits. They may as well do female Marines. The old lore no longer matters, so go full-bore on a soft reboot they're doing and take away one more avenue for people to complain about.

>you can ALWAYS write fluff in a way to justify something existing or working in a different way. All of the arguments couching things in "but the lore says this" are specious arguments. Lore is not and never will be inviolate.

>>53748747

lol nice photoshop

Why don't you post some proof that isn't digital and therefore can't be faked?

>>53747316
Is this legit or fan made?

>>53750053
It's one named character in a board game for AoS.

Sigmarines were never exclusively male anyway. As I understand it, they're the dead given form again.

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>>53749973
Are you one of those white supremacists who believe history is being "blackwashed"?

https://www.awm.gov.au/about/our-work/projects/indigenous-service

>>53748748
Maybe you should stop being /pol/ or stop bitching about white genocide then?

>>53747281
They might want to make some female imperial guard models first.

Not that it matters the games already dead with 8E.

>>53750192
>salty 7th fag

How does it feel to be awful at everything?

>>53749911

Even in lore, pre Primaris, Fabius Bile managed to make a female Space Marine. He remarked that it was pretty easy, and wondered why the Emperor didn't do it. He obviously doesn't think himself a better biologis than the Emperor.

It seems to follow another interpretation of why the Emperor didn't make female Astartes; he didn't want to make a separate species of humanity that would subsume the rest. Space Marines are dependent on humanity for propagation, taking candidates and making them into more Astartes. If they could reproduce sexually, and not need humanity to make more marines, they might not feel the need to shackle themselves to humanity as tightly. The Emperor built weapons, not people, and much like the Primarchs they're just tools; a means to an end to be discarded or set aside when no longer needed.

Of course, if Fabius can pull that stunt, it's quite possible Cawl can as well.

>>53750282
Marines don't reproduce marines. Pretend they did have sex and women gave birth to their offspring (ignoring all arguments of whether they can or not) All the organs implanted basically make an initiate into a biological cyborg so their offspring would be normal unmodified humans.

>>53750247
>not liking Age of Guliman means you want to play Age of Riptide wing instead

>>53750282
errr
bile can make many things
but his creations are soley Chaos Space Marines if you can even call it that.

How stable they are (both mentally and physically) in the long term, i.e. what EMPS wanted, is rather open to debate.

>>53750421
You sure post like it.

>>53750434
>mentally and physically stable marines

There you go folks! that's why they're not female!

>>53748726
As a gay man myself, nothing makes me more furious than the fact that faggots stole the rainbow forever.

>>53750392
>All the organs implanted basically make an initiate into a biological cyborg so their offspring would be normal unmodified humans.

Space Marines having offspring creates a lot of problems in the long run. Nepotism being first among them.

Only the best of the best of the best men/boys can pass the trials required to be allowed to become a space marine.

Even if it were allowed for some reason no woman would ever reach the entrance criteria, and seeing how this is the IoM, they're not gonna pull a RealLifeModernMilitary and give women lower pass thresholds for muhfeels reasons.

And of course there's all the emphasis on space marine chapters being a BROTHERHOOD of battle BROTHERS who are led by BROTHER-sergeants, commanded by their BROTHER-captains.

Dedication to warfare has always been a boys club and always should be. The only people who argue otherwise are either soldier girl fetishists, guro fetishists or SJWs.

>>53750392

It's actually an unknown quantity. We don't have instances on lore where they do produce offspring, though Relic has asked the question. Salamanders do have families back home, but that's often viewed as familiar groups like parents and extended family, or possibly adoptive families.

>>53750434

He could probably produce stable marines. I mean, they'd still be CSM. He's not so much interest in making more basic marines, as the Traitor Legions want him to do, so much as improving upon the Space Marine design to make them truly perfect creatures. Unfortunately, to his own twisted ambitions, that's less "better Space Marine" and more "perfection in an angry blob of a hundred tentacles that spits fire". What would perfection look like to someone who doesn't spend a lot of time around marble statues and instead spends a lot of time around Chaos Spawn?

I mean, the guy's made replica Primarchs before, and his greatest ambition is building an Emperor 2.0.

>>53749973
how can you post non digital proof on the internet? surely putting the proof on the internet makes it digital...

>>53747622
Because it makes my pee-pee hard.

>>53750434
>>53750513

I will say this, though; Bile is going to want a piece of Cawl for stepping in his turf. It'd be a huge point of negligence for there not to be a Belisarius Cawl/Fabius Bile showdown over this, assuming one hasn't already happened in a book or something already.

To Be honest guys the whole conversation is moot. At the end of the day they are your models, your hobby, you wanna model your space marines as female? go ahead, why should anyone care about the opinions of others? it's not like us here of TH can stop you. your Hobby, your Models, your rules.
Same reasoning is going into my Primaris Alpha Legion. made my own lore and working on my own models. official lore be damned.

>>53747281

If we change the story to make it possible then a female space marine wouldn't look remotely female at all. It would look like a normal male space marine but with a vagina that you can't see and is also sterile.

>>53750713
Meant to say "on TG" not "of TH" fuck it;s too late to be posting...

>>53748239
Space marines are designed for interior fighting or city fighting,it is not their fault GW tries to make them foot soldiers.

All space marines logically should be devastators, terminators or assault marines and either drop pod into hot zones or used inside buildings or ships, where the hallway corners block massed gunfire.

>>53747281
As long as I get my Brothers of Battle forces I am okay with this. Halo spartan faction hell yes.

>>53750830

If Sisters of Battle do finally get squatted can girls join the Space Marines, then?

Although Sisters could do with the return of Fraternis Militia. Well, I could do with that because it means I have a new awesome conversion fodder kit in much the same vein as Empire Flagellants.

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>>53748074
>>53748177
>>53750727
Wut? This is 40k, why would realism ever come up?

GW female space marines would just look like pic related.

>>53748742
>If I shove dildos up my plastic army men's asses, I win

Well you would have to pull them out of your ass first.

No counterargument=proving female space marines are inevitable.

>>53748358
I agree with you. The problem is that most of the only female and gender equal factions have been forgotten or fail to represent such aspects yet the fag keeps bitching about femmarines and not proper codexs or models for this factions. Something that proves that they are just butthurted about the poster boys of the game being a boys club (something I'm perfectly ok with).
This thing about CSM and SM as the focus of the game is a problem itself but not one of gender cause it turns every other faction in a bunch of edgy, retarded and/or uninterested group of side characters who are there only to emphasize the grimness in the darkness of the far future.

>>53750858
If they did release femarines, they could just make Sisters of Battle another Space Marine codex with chapter-specific special rules to reflect faith like Black Templars.

Add Frateris Militia special rules as an option for imperial guard (like melee mob themed conscripts) and Imperial Cult themed armies could have more options and support than they've ever had.

>>53750880
Better yet, just give the SoBs terminator armor.
Would be amusing at the very least.

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>>53750880
I just noticed Primarines and Femsigmarines have the same kneepads. Mould overlap for female Primaris marines?

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>>53747839
I'd enjoy this, but they would be butt ugly. They would have to be done like this or slightly prettier to be worth it for most people. That or they would have to wear masks.

>>53751222
I dont feel like they are the same. SMs are barely human and extremely expensive to make immortals. SoB are much cheaper to produce but mortal and rely on faith magic.

Male SoBs would be more reasonable then dumping the whole line IMO.

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>>53747281
Reminder that this is what Female Space Marines would look like.
Personally, I never unterstood why anyone want this. I mean, all that you would get is a screaming, fanatical, bald super soldier, that is a bit slimmer than the others. I mean, honestly, you wouldn't see any difference. I don't think that GW will ever make female space marines,or that they should, I mean, yes the lore stating Boys Only is old, but it says that specific. And I mean, its not like there are other Factions with Models without Updates in Ten Years... Cough Cough. If you want to make female space marines and play them, then all luck to you, nobody that isn't a absolute retard wom't play with you just because that. Yes, some will make jokes, but that was predictable. Show them in Battle what your ladys can do, and don't be a Idiot about it. Nuff said, can we talk about Male Sororita again?

>>53751628

What makes you think the massive restructuring would leave her with tits at all?

>>53747281

Nah. I like listening to the feminists bitch about it. It's fun.

>>53751707
I meaned more the stature, but yes, they probaply wouln'd have tits.

>>53751341
>>53751628

>male Sororitas
>slender, effeminate men with short-cropped hair
>in corsets and power-armored high heels

I assume they'd just have flat chest armor.

>>53751628
Why would GW suddenly decide realism was important to their setting? They missed that train decades ago.

Face it, femarines will just look like this. >>53750880

>>53747281

You're right, may as well put the final nail in the coffin and get the shitfest that is 2010s GW into the grave where it belongs

>>53747728

Hey, it's 2017 now, if we can't push our obscene deranged leftist politics into literally every aspect of western life then that's OPPRESSION

>>53751772
That was a joke, I should have made that clearer, because the idea is equally pointless. But youre absolut right, trap is the way to go.

>/tg/ thinks the 40k lore is terrible
>/tg/ will die on the hill of female spess mehreens ruining the lore

Anything to get back at chicks not wanting to hug you, right guys?

>>53751842
>tfw "can some of these plastic guys be women" is OBSCENE and DERANGED

Haha, holy shit

>>53747778
One of the ciaphus cane books heavily involved him getting a female regiment and a male regiment to work together.

>>53751842
Thats a thing I never unterstood. Why should womem want female space marine? Do I need to have army with the same gender as me? No, I actually would play sisters if they were avaibale in plastic, and im male, and what? Nobody cares, you pick the army because you like the tactics, the fluff or the aesthetics and shit, and not because of some bullhsit like that. Following their perspective, only black peoble should play salamanders, only arabs play tallarn and I would be dammend to play Mordian Ironguard for the rest of my life.

>>53748358
>The issue is generally 'The female-only faction has not had support since 3e while the male only faction is the posterboy of the setting and gets more support with individual sub-factions as some entire factions get.

Almost as if... there aren't enough women/neckbeards who actually want to play with female figures to support a line.... But if that were the case, then shoehorning them into the most popular line would result in reduced sales, wouldn't it? Or are people going to buy what they don't want when you transform what they do want into what they don't want?

>>53751950
>I believe women are physically equal to men
>therefore it must be made illegal to say otherwise
>every aspect of western society, from politics to the media to video and tabletop games played 99% by white men to education to the military must be compelled to agree with me
>I don't care if this actually leads to deaths when my belief conflicts with reality, deal w/it

Yeah, it's pretty deranged. You're the product of about 60+ years of this though, so I understand why you can't see it

>>53751785
And its exactly the fact that GW doesnt give a fuck about realism why they wont made female marines to begin with cause they already invented a fictional excuse to not do them and yes they could change that but again what would be the fucking point. Make a new line of models that nobody would buy to shut the fuck up of some SJW. Not worthy

>>53751964
>you pick the army cause of fluff or aesthetics

Have you for a second considered that the fluff or aesthetics of female space marines appeals to people? You lot are so obsessed with the feminist bogeyman you can't handle basic reasoning

>>53751996
Find me literally one person who thinks it should be illegal to play 40k unless it has 50/50 gender representation and I'll melt my models

>>53751996
>>therefore it must be made illegal to say otherwise

shouldn't you be on /x/ arguing that the earth is flat? I mean seriously this level of absurd argument is right up their alley

>they're gonna make men illegal and enslave us all! I heard it on breitbutt!

>>53752009

if there were significant commercial demand then it would've happened by now. Every aspect of entertainment that caters to you people ends up running into the ugly truth that you don't spend much money

>>53752022

I didn't say that, so I won't, but I probably could, since it is now a mainstream political position in Europe to make urinating while standing illegal

>>53752042
>urinating while standing illegal

Oh good, you're just baiting. Good to know.

>>53752042
>if there were significant commercial demand then it would've happened by now.
>everything that can exist exists now, stop trying to change things!

t. every idiot ever

>>53752042
>don't spend that much money
>tfw without adjusting for inflation the second and third highest grossing films of all time are female-led action films
>tfw while adjusting for inflation the highest grossing film is a female-led romance film

>>53752082

why aren't SoB (female space marines, that's what they are and you know it) the most popular army? Why aren't they even in the top three?

>>53751929

I read that as "chinks" at first and was wondering what exactly the Chinese had done to wound you so deeply and personally.

>>53751964

Anon, women don't want to play female Space Marines. Women don't really want to be pandered to like that. It's the kind of backwards marketing shtick that flows from the executives down to marketing thinking that making a toys that's been marketed at boys pink is going to issue forth a flood of female customers.

Women don't want to play female Space Marines, I do. Women, having to deal with being women all the time, don't usually want to go and play women in their plastic spacemen games, they want to play dino-bugs that eat people and spit acid. I don't necessarily want to play myself with a gun, I want to play roided-up superhumans and half-mechanical men with rayguns. The setting is about immersion into somewhere else, and when you have to deal with all the bullshit you have to deal with outside fantasyland, then why are you even playing in it?

Making female Space Marines as a marketing tactic to get girls into the hobby™ is a stupid theory, and not precisely borne out in practice by any hobby or toy companies that I can think of. Female Space Marines aren't a product meant to contact some sort of female otherworld and introduce them to 40k, it'd only ever be meant purely for those that like and are already interested in this hobby and warhammer.

>>53752119
Because they have archaic models?

It's the same reason Space Marines are the most popular army. They make the most models for them, so they sell the most models, so they make the most models.

>>53752119

A squad of 10 Seraphims costs upwards of 110 USD. Their three primary troops choices are the same six or so sculpts, sometimes with different weapons. They're all 20+ year old metal sculpts in a plastic age. Half of what constituted their army doesn't exist anymore model or rulewise.

>>53751842
>>>/pol/

>>53752060
>if I don't like it it doesn't real

>>53752103
>>tfw without adjusting for inflation the second and third highest grossing films of all time are female-led action films

Star Wars: A New Hope and The Sound of Music?

>>tfw while adjusting for inflation the highest grossing film is a female-led romance film

Gone With The Wind was hardly catering to feminists and their beta orbiters

>>53752168
Did you not see without adjusting for inflation?

It's Titanic and TFA.

How is GWTW not catering to feminists but making female space marines is?

>>53752119
Ugly, metal is hard to work with, go decades without new rules, basically tacked onto another army. Take your pick.

>>53751954

I think there was a Star Trek episode much like that.

>>53747622
>geneseed incompatibility

Lame handwaving desu.
They should just be honest about it and say Big E wanted a homoerotic order of warrior monks

>>53750627
Hopefully, Cawl will know to protect himself with an honor guard. Maybe, say, three Titans. Yeah, that should do it.

>>53752203

I still don't understand that shitpost. Nor does it make any sense to me.

>>53750435
How?
Besides, aside from the nonrules the push towards hordes by overpricing vehicles reminds me too much of 8th edition fantasy, and there was no 9th edition.

>>53752181
>How is GWTW not catering to feminists but making female space marines is?

Because nobody was demanding more female leads in historical romance films in the 1930s

>Did you not see without adjusting for inflation?

that's a retarded caveat, that just means you like the numbers better

>>53752183
>>53752149

So there's TONS of demand for SoB but GW just refuses to make them because their male-only Space Marines sell so much better, and your answer is to demand that they transform Spess Muhreenz into uglier SoB?

>>53747281
Lets not talk about this, EVER.

>>53752251
Sir, if you squint, you can see the ruined remains of the barn.
You can try and close a door on it, assuming it won't cause the ruins to fall over, but there's no horse inside.
In fact, if you look over that hill, you'll see a plentiful herd of wild horses, all descended from one that escaped from that barn.

>>53752229

GW was fucking shocked when their Blanche-resin Canoness flew off the shelf so hard they sold out half a dozen more runs than they expected, considering the tepid demand for their ancient metal sisters. Already Celestines are showing up everywhere, though it seems like their ability to sell is hampered by buying two other mandatory characters in the same box. They really need to split that box apart.

And where are you getting this transformation shit? Giving Sororitas a plastic box is by no means making SM uglier, or whatever it is you're baiting.

>>53751628
I feel like it'd be a nice move of GW to make female space marines, but make them precisely like this, just to spite the SJWs.

>>53747778
>This, there's an entire faction, the Adepta Sororitas full of strong independent females who are more devout and capable than half the galaxy.

Isn't this faction effectively squatted? They haven't had a codex on the shelves since second edition, and if you want official models, they are online only and of questionable antique quality?

>>53752411
2018.

>>53752390
>spite

Uh, wouldn't "le sjws" prefer this over slender boobplate marines? You guys are so caught up in your circle jerk you're forgetting which side you're on

>>53752411

Effectively. Death by lack of support and included only as what seems to be a formality. Their options, both in the Codex and model-wise, have been chipped at for the longest time.

However, we did get Celestine and the Gemini, so there's a two model precedent, even if it is just a special character. Well, and also the special reason Canoness, though that probably sold so well because anyone in the hobby is instinctively drawn to Blanche.

>>53752471
I'm sure they'd all like them to be feminine, even with muscle, instead of virtual copies of men. I mean there'd be no point in having female marines if they were just identical to the guys anyway. They need to be female empowering instead of some meat sacks.

>>53751029
This.
This whole discussion, while mainly nothing more than shitposting fodder, is really just another consequence of how much screen time the SM take up.
There's a difference between being the poster boy of the setting, and being the only thing in the setting that matters.
If we were allowed to give three fucks about any faction other than LSM or CSM, this question wouldn't matter as much.

>>53750053
This is from the new warhammer board game targeted at poorfags and the magic the gathering crowd.

>>53750713

If I were to see somebody fielding female Marines at my LGS, I know I'd do my level best to flip the table and break as many of the models as possible. Not a single thing of value would be lost to the hobby.

You don't get to field Infinity minis in a 40K game, you don't get to just make up rules at a table, and you don't get to completely and utterly ignore the central tenet of the lore. "Your dudes" is not an excuse for being a shit-tier player and objectively wrong.

>>53750282
they didn't make female space marines because the GW sculptors didn't know how to make them cheaply in plastic.

>>53752551
Watching this guy go to jail would be hilarious.

"B-but I was triggered by girls!"

>>53752411
>They haven't had a codex on the shelves since second edition
third edition

And they've had current (and acceptably competitive) rules in almost every single editione. I believe only missing an update in 4e.

Their only hangup is miniatures. Which is obviously enough to turn most people away from them.

Holy fuck, I started in 4e. I can't fucking believe what I'm reading.

Just ask for multiverse blisters of movie heros already. Just make everything, everything already. Make morally upright deldar, have penitent chaos marines rebel against chaos, have peaceful orks. Just make everything in the game morally gray/multi-faceted so everyone can live their shitty fanwanks.

Goddamn, hard times ahead with people who don't understand the importance of structure.

>>53752686
Stop, trigger yourself.

>>53752585
>jail time for what is at best a misdemeanor

>>53752477
>we did get Celestine

Actually, no you didn't. Celestine is an HQ choice for all imperial factions. She's effectively a female space marine now. Celestine is as much a SoB now as Cawl is.

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>>53752686

>>53747815
>/thread

>>53752746

Fanwanker detected.

>>53752551
>You don't get to field Infinity minis in a 40K game, you don't get to just make up rules at a table, and you don't get to completely and utterly ignore the central tenet of the lore. "Your dudes" is not an excuse for being a shit-tier player and objectively wrong
Fuck you you autist, if I want to field certain models as other things, and with an unusual theme to them, and the other guy is okay with it then you can fuck right off.
If my Kroot are all Tau armed with two handed axes it's none of your business.
If my farseer is an ork with a mask then it's a goddamn farseer.

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>>53752551
Lmao, I love these threads. Getting triggered for even more inane reasons than SJWs and you still think you're superior. Pure kek.

>Good news Space Marine Fans! GW is introducing the much wanted female Space Marines™! They have equal capabilities and stats to the much loved Primaris™ Space Marines™, making sure there's no drawback to fielding these lovely ladies.
>To represent the Bolter Ladies on the tabletop, you can use old-style Space Marines™ miniatures to represent the smaller stature of the Female Space Marines compared to a Primaris Space Marines. We're sure the many old-style Space Marines™ appreciate this second lease on life.
>Those with patience can wait a little longer, while the master craftsmen at GW finishes sculpting the MK IX "Female Power" Armour to better represent your new femme fatales.

>>53752928

They gonna gun for furries when they figure out how much those fucks shell out cash.

>>53752928
No, better yet.
>all female space marines are just imperialite ynari

>>53747467
how would a female BA deal with the Red Thirst and Black Rage?

>that crippling internal struggle between sexy astartes waifus and not letting faglord SJWs get what they want and mess with established lore for zero good reasons

>>53748378
What's the point of a chaplain with no helmet on, that's the coolest fucking part of the armor

>>53752966

What did you think Space Wolves were for?

This post is shitposting, please ignore.

>>53753063

It's not even a chaplain. It's a fucking Deathwatch Ravenguard with a crozius and a Deathwing censer. They even get all the company colors wrong. There is literally nothing accurate about this image except the DW arm.

They could have picked ANY OTHER chapter, that wasn't black, to show the black chaplain armor. Of course we can't have the skull helmet because we have to show it's a woman, except we fail at even that because we can't draw for shit and give her a retarded male haircut, I'm not even going to go on, this image is just a trainwreck.

>>53753002

Black Rage seems like it'd be exactly the same as before. Red Thirst solves itself.

>>53753100
>Red Thirst solves itself.

LESBIAN 69

>>53753024
You'll feel a lot better once you realize how little SJWs actually affect anything.

>>53753111

Yes, that was the implication.

>>53753100
Let's get a drawfag in here.

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>>53747281
Shit I'd be happier if Space Marines were normal if highly-trained and indoctrinated dudes in power armor.

I'm fine with female space marines, and i'm a grognard, but I really just can't take the artistic representations of them.

If they come out with a female space marine, her face better be fucked up as shit, just like a regular marine. Musclebound and so scarred you can't even really call her human anymore, and definitely bald, none of that horrible half-shaved head hair cut.

Female space marines are fine, as long as they are the roided-out, hulking, sexless monstrosities that all space marines are.

>>53748378
Would this mean the lost primarchs ended up female? That explains why Bobby G called them failures in Dark Imperium.

>>53752856
now I have a sudden urge to go buy Wurrzag da great green prophet and put him on an elder wraith bone base.

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>>53753190
>none of that horrible half-shaved head hair cut.

Too late bitch

>>53747771
I can't believe I never thought of this one. This is actually probably the biggest factor. If GW doesn't think they can facefuck your wallet with it then that idea is probably getting the shaft.

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>>53753138

>>53753235

He's Emperor's Children, so the punk aesthetics are appropriate.

>>53753190

Would you be fine with a half-shaved haircut if there were enough classic weird bionics sticking out of it?

>>53752551
Sure you could do that, you'd be acting stupid but hey what's new?

>>53752617
3rd edition was titled "Codex: Witch Hunters" not "Sisters of Battle".

Maybe that title isn't as anti-women in the UK as it is here in the US...

>>53753168
Ditto. Like, just keep black carapace because that's a legitimate advantage, but 90% of the other shit is irrelevant when wearing power armor. Like, the limbs of their power armor would break before you actually needed to start using their roided out muscles, what's the point?

>>53752720
You do know the difference between Jail and prison right?

>>53753317
isn't that what space marines where, back in "the day"? Just psychopaths in power armor?

>>53753347
>thinking you would get put in a holding cell for something that minor

They will just tell you your court date. If you don't show up that's when they start doing things like confinement.aa

>>53753190
>Female space marines are fine, as long as they are the roided-out, hulking, sexless monstrosities that all space marines are.

Have you not seen a Blood Angel?

>>53753347
>>53753392

You wouldn't even go to the police department for that shit. This is daytime television small claims court level shit.

Have YOU ever seen someone hauled off in handcuffs for something like knocking over a cup in a department store?

>>53753316

A Witchhunters/Daemonhunters Codex would be a neat thing to have again.

Fold SoB and Inquisition in again with SoS, GK, and DW, although Deathwatch will probably still be shunted into SM. Would be a great place to keep all those odd ally factions, or make a team composed only of them. They would need some new models to keep up, though.

>>53747406
Right, who really gives a fuck.

So there is no reason to do it.

If you're for female space marines, you're a cuck. Get the fuck out.

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>>53753367
The best fluff from RT days. Too bad they decided to turn them into noble space knights instead.

>>53753392
Should have known someone this spergy would have experience.

>>53747815
This, /tg/ is full of cucks and SJWs.

>>53753423

I'm still holding to the belief that the Rogue Trader days are canon in that they account for what happened in a brief span of a few hundred years after the Heresy, when the Space Marines are still getting organized into Chapters, and the old Legion recruits are showing a little less discipline and a bit more psychopathy than later generations would hammer them into.

I mean, a lot of the FW Horus Heresy models are taking directly from RT designs. Could be these patterns existed for a short while afterwards before being replaced.

>>53753412
I got a surprise for you: thats exactly what they did in 8th ed.

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>>53753448
>>53753529

>>53753506

Well, that's just the Index. These are apparently temporary stopgaps in place for actual Codex updates.

Actual Codices have already been announced, though no clue on which first. This is where Relics, Chapter Tactics, and all the good stuff we lost in the shuffle from 7e to 8e are getting stuffed back in apparently.

>>53753446
So you're saying you just pretend to be wrong and retarded until someone proves you wrong so you can insult them?

Why not just start out with the insults and save not just everyone else's time, but your own?

>>53753554
Go be a whiny faggot back on re:ddit

>>53753446
A discussion about what will and what will not land you in county jail is literally the least spergy discussion currently going on in this thread. Or did you forget you're in a "female space marine thread" and not the general?

>>53752551

Dude, I played 40k for a couple years using Old Glory 25mm WW2 figures and vehicles. nobody at the game shop said a thing.

I guess 40k players weren't such assholes 15 years ago.

>>53753614

Nigger the pop culture portion of the internet was still an infant 15 years ago. N64's were still in use 15 years ago. We didn't even have smart phones yet.

>>53753563
Look at the codexes [of that format] in AoS. I got bad news for you: they are only for the new models: good luck using those new relics with your Empire army, or your [non-flying] Dwarves.

>>53753411

I've seen people hauled off in cuffs for destroying a few hundred dollars of someone else's property...

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>>53753605

>>53753685
Except for 4chan was always /pol/, kid.

>>53753649

Exactly what the fuck did that have to do with my post?

>>53753704
>being this delusional.

stay at your containment board

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Without 40k's non-acceptance policy, the fans would have nowhere to go. Why would you destroy one of the last safe haven for those non-accepting people? Are you not accepting of their non-accepting ways?

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>>53753746

>>53747611
This really jitters my critters. When they manage to avoid boob armor, but end up with the tiniest waists. Imagine how rail thin this girl would be underneath the armor. A women in armor wouldn't look any more shapely than a man.

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>>53754037
Looks like the artist was just taking inspiration from SoB minus boob-plate. SoB armor is ridiculously thin.

>>53747622
The problem is they only make plastics of new models if they are fucking soace marines. The rest of us need to buy metal... outdated metal, or in the case of the guard 3rd party metal, if we want our female units. I dont care about females being in the space marines, i would like to actually beable to buy good models of the females that should be there though.

>>53748388
>The Emperor specifically did not make female marines, and removed anything resembling a sex drive from the male marines, to prevent them from overruning and replacing humanity.
That's stupid and wrong, like you. The organs that make astartes more than human don't change sperm. Even if space marines bred, they'd produce humans.

>The Emperor loves mankind, not the barely human supersoliders created to protect it.
This part's true, but correlation is not causation, you twat.

>>53753716

What the fuck is your point of saying "OH BOY HOW TIME HAS CHANGED IN OVER TWO DECADES"

>>53752522
Help me out here anon

>>53754436
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/shadespire-unveiled/

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>>53754037

>>53754478
Love you.

>>53751628
I have some female marines in my Emperor's Children army.

They just weren't' born female...

>>53754087
Their true armor is their faith in the god-emperor of mankind.

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>>53754519
Slaanesh really is the best Chaos God.

>>53754562

I hope somebody grabs your minis and throws them against the wall. You don't deserve to play this game if you're just going to ignore lore.

>>53748747
>>53750146
They were a statistical anomaly. Pretending like they had any significant involvement in a European in the preglobalized world is disingenuous.

>>53754666

THEY'LL DRAG YOU OFF IN CUFFS AND PUT YOU IN MAXIMUM SECURITY STATE PENITENTIARY IF YOU DO THAT

I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN

WITH MY OWN TWO EYES

>>53747498
thats because Cadian women are ugly and masculine

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>>53754666
Yes, keep posting, the taste is so sweet with nerd rage.

>>53753742
You're right, literally no one in the history of 4chan has ever had any edgy, politically incorrect opinions before those /pol/ shitlords.

>>53754710

So people who were in fact in a war should not be included in games about that war? As this isn't 'Pretending they had significant involvement'. This is 'Having a character from that time period be a member of a race that actually was in that time and place'.

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I honestly wouldn't care if they found a way to make female marines now in lore via primas marines. Then again, would the Imperium want it? I think there's a big brotherhood culture to the space marines both in lore and out of it. The lore has been made in a way to insist that female marines can't be achieved due to genetics, and that seems to be because GW wants to keep this monkly order or knights going. At the same time, I have not many people here who didn't want female marines beyond having a fetish for muscle girls, amazon girls or just general SS fetish.

Eitherway if they did it, I hope it'll be subtle like the sig-female in AoS, nothing particularly focused on. But I guess if you were to do such a change it - would - have to be a big reveal.

And what would happen to the SoBs? They're supposed to be the answer to people wanting marine girls. I feel they'll have Gillyman disbands the church's armies because their whole shit exists due to a technicality; reform them into stormtrooper like the others likely.

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>>53747406
>>53747281
I'd be fine with it, but the fluff reason I always assumed was that giving Space Marines access to wombs destroys their dependency on humanity.

The Emperor said he made Space Marines purely male and the process won't work on women, which is probably true. But WHY doesn't it work on women? By design. As it stands now, Space Marines need to recruit from human worlds, most Space Marines live a many years as humans before being upgraded to Space Marines. Now, a Space Marine could probably start a family with a human woman, and his kids would be BIG, but they'd just be big humans, not Space Marines. If a female Space Marine had a baby with a human, would it also be a big human, or a small Space Marine? Kinda hard to know for sure, right? So what happens if a male Space Marine and a female Space Marine had a baby. Oh, look, unlimited super soldiers, born never knowing what it's like to be HUMAN. And who will regulate this?

If Space Marines could restore their fallen without ever looking at a human again, how long would it be before you had chapters that didn't want to bother with humans at all?

Not to mention female Space Marines would give GW an excuse to just forget about Sisters of Battle for another 20 years.

>>53754666
>You don't deserve to play this game if you're just going to ignore lore.
Maybe they're just SoB who've fallen to chaos. Miriel Sabathiel is the only Sister who's willingly fallen to chaos, but it's not outside the lore to have a squad of Chaos Sisters who were corrupted in despite of their will.

Quit being a fucking autistic lore nazi. It's just a game after all :^D

>>53754037

It's skintight armor syndrome.

>>53754405

case in point, people in the 40k hobby are more assholes now.

>>53754784
having shitposters and claiming that entirety of 4chan are different things. You would know if you stayed at your containment hole.

>>53754934

I'd be ok with Chaos Sisters if you had them be sort of Thousand Sons-like. A half dozen sisters who are now her mindless puppets, moving with inhuman and perfect grace as her bodyguards.

I'm less cool with 'YEAH, CHAOS IS GREAT' in any real numbers. Kinda degrades Miriel and I'd really like to see her as a Chaos leader some time (She'd work really well as a super support leader for chaos like an evil Joan of Arc)

>>53754808
>this is "Having a character from that time period be a member of a race that actually was in that time and place"
Yeah, naw. Dice took a little too far with this shit. Don't act like they didn't.
The amount of blacks and abos in WW1 falls into the margin of fucking error. Sure they were there, but making 50% of the Australian Army black/abo would be as stupid and disingenuous as arming them all with submachine guns and automatic rifles. After all, those were around to!*
That makes it okay to do, right?
*in such low numbers that they pretty much made no difference to the war

>>53755053

So how many people would you have be it then? They can't exactly product 100 Australian character models do they can have exactly one of them be black.

>>53755053
>Yeah, naw. Dice took a little too far with this shit. Don't act like they didn't.

The Harlem Hellfighters (The american black guy) were an actual all-black american regiment. They'd have been more historically inaccurate if they somehow made him white.

>>53754934
http://majere613.deviantart.com/art/Emperor-s-Children-63rd-Company-Havoks-of-Slaanesh-337182037
>In my background to them, an Emperor's Children warband under Karras the Lustful were left stranded on a space hulk after a falling-out with their Black Legion allies, who destroyed their ship rather than let the Emperor's Children capture it. Stuck on the desolate vessel, the warband soon ran out of diversions and fell into deep, terminal boredom until Karras sacrificed a full third of the remaining marines in a mighty ritual, demanding that Slaanesh bestow some new sensation upon his men. Slaanesh obliged in spades.

Not bad "my dudes" fluff honestly.

>>53755114
This. If people want a black character at all in one of these games, you have to deal with the fact that they're not going to make thousands of models just so they can have "realistic representation". Especially when we all accept that it's just a fucking videogame with very little in common with how the actual war was fought, or what weapons your average soldier had. Anyone pissing and moaning that "There should be LESS black people there, historically!" is just saying they're pissed that even one character model was made for blacks. And, fuck, I know it's fashionable to be racist on a chan, but I'm not even sure why people are discussing this stuff on /tg/. It's a videogame.

>>53754710
Did you get that? Do I have to address it directly to you so you understand? It's a fucking videogame.

>>53748687
Underrated post

>>53755198

>This. If people want a black character at all in one of these games, you have to deal with the fact that they're not going to make thousands of models just so they can have "realistic representation".

That and they tend more towards the same sort of representation that american voting has. A minimum level of representation rather than 1:1 population to representation. So you don't end up with no representation due to a tyranny of the majority.

>>53749880
t. virgin

>>53755114
Random 1% chance to spawn as a non-white colonial soldier in any class and in any army. It would be just like the secret reload animations or whatever. Everyone gets Africans while the English get exclusive access to Indian and Aboriginal models.

That or just make it a customization option instead of a random chance. That'd be fine too I guess.

>inb4 too hard to implement!
Just make the actual uniforms for each class a separate model from their skin then design each ethnic skin seperately. When a player character spawns in, take the uniform for their class an put whatever skin they either chose or were randomly assigned.
Fucking magic. Pretty sure games have done this before.

>>53755166
>The Harlem Hellfighters (The american black guy) were an actual all-black american regiment.
One regiment out of one branch out of one nation out of one side of the war was all black. That's true. However, I don't agree that small exceptions like this justify making every army in every nation represented in the game extremely racially diverse. Over-representation is just as historically inaccurate as under-representation or misrepresentation.

Making nearly half of all the troops in the First World War one of the aforementioned three is just as historically inaccurate as making a Harlem Hellfighter white.

>>53754952

Yeah, including yourself, idiot.

>b-b-b-but that wasn't even me

Then read the fucking discussion next time, neither party is exempt.

>>53755372

>Random 1% chance to spawn as a non-white colonial soldier in any class and in any army. It would be just like the secret reload animations or whatever. Everyone gets Africans while the English get exclusive access to Indian and Aboriginal models.

At that point, why bother doing it?

>>53755372

>Over-representation is just as historically inaccurate as under-representation or misrepresentation.

Somehow I don't think historical accuracy has ever been a goal of any of the battlefield games.

>>53755372

And a 0.01% chance to spawn as a woman, increased significantly if you pick a medic?

>>53755495
>At that point, why bother doing it?
>Why do it if you're going to make it accurate?

>Somehow I don't think historical accuracy has ever been a goal of any of the battlefield games.
While I'd agree, it was certainly advertised as such. As such, even if they never intended to make a game accurate in the first place, you'd have to realize that people who aren't familiar with the war will assume that what they've presented *is* historically accurate.
They wouldn't know the real from the hyperbolic and thus they'd come away from the game with a warped sense of history.

>>53755530
Sure why not.

>>53755530

Female medic qts are god-tier, male medics are gross. I'd rather die on the battlefield than have some douche in glasses treat my wounds.

>>53754903
I mean, Space Marines are still human. They just wouldn't have to rely on baseline humanity anymore.
Also the Emp could just have had the process make them sterile.

>>53753002
Have you ever tried to suck your own dick? It's kind of like that.

>>53755632

>While I'd agree, it was certainly advertised as such.

I don't think they ever said it was historically accurate.

>>53755632
>They wouldn't know the real from the hyperbolic and thus they'd come away from the game with a warped sense of history.

Doesn't that apply to every single WW1/2 game? Or should people protest Wolfenstien or Company of Heroes for not being historically accurate?

>>53749880
You like something that doesn't exist?

>>53755992

Are you trying to tell me Hitler wasn't a giant robot with gatling guns for arms?

>>53755992

Yes it does and yes it shoud.

If you want to make shit up, make shit up. Don't contaminate history with your wrongness.

>>53747281
>geneseed works on women now because fiat
>due to how extreme the effects of the geneseed are there are literally zero distinguishing characteristics between male and female space marines
I like this solution. I mean, my understanding of the process of becoming a space marine is that it includes chemical castration and a radical reshaping of the body. Why couldn't women be used as a base? They're still going to turn into asexual instruments of war.

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Doing an EX Sob for the leader of my Khorn Daemonkin army.

What models could I use to convert something like this (base and bits)? I've also considered putting her on a bike, too, but that seems like a daunting task.

>>53756335
Sisters of Silence.

Dark Eldar Wyches.

>>53756335
Maybe Sister of Silence as a base, with khorne berserker bits?

>>53747281
It's not a matter of "allowing" it simply can't be done.

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>>53756354
>>53756358
Good suggestions, I'll definitely start with a Sister of Silence as a base.

Are there any appropriately scaled helmeted heads that would work? I think the ones on Berserkers might be a bit too large.

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>>53747281

>>53755687
He could have, but he didn't, and I think that ties into the same basic idea. While a Space Marine probably won't take a wife and have kids, they CAN as far as I know. And that keeps them connected to baseline humanity. Having a child (who would be a hearty human, but still fully human) keeps the long lived marines invested in humanity. These are things the Emperor would have given thought to, even if there still are of course many marines who turned to chaos.

>>53748552

They make bad front line infantry, but they're perfect for auxiliary roles that don't require strength so much - especially since the advent of more technology.

Drivers, heavy weapons teams, missile systems, technicians, artillery, support staff, etc. A soldier is more than a guy with a gun.

>>53754484
i never understood how someone so shit at perspective and anatomy worked for so many years as a professional artist

Biggest argument against it is that it would remove the niche that Sisters fill.

Space Marines are the warrior archetype, brutal strength and near-feral in the destruction of their enemies. While there is great individual courage and mental fortitude, their achievements are physical in nature.
Sisters of Battle and their achievements are just as impressive, but of a different nature all together. Purity of purpose and a spiritual connection to all faithful servants of the Emperor. Perseverance, not in the face of adversity like the Space Marine, but in the face of -evil-. The faith they exemplify is an integral part of the larger Imperium.

Space Marines save mankind much more, but they are ever apart from it. The victories of Sisters are not so great and storied, but they are still viewed as human, the perfect human (in thought).

>>53755053
Harlem hellfighters are a meme by stupid americans who use propaganda about their precious nig nogs that they sent to die
The French used shitloads of colonial forces on the west, and the Germans and British used a shit tonne of Africans in the colonial war
Basically you should change skin depending on where you are, if you're in the BEF innatrenches fighting Huns then no way there's any wogs there, KAR fighting the nig nog Huns in Africa works very well
BF1 is a steaming pile of horseshit, both for its butchered setting and shit gameplay

>>53758341
>Women make good drivers
>Women are good with heavy lifting
>Women are good with navigation
LMAO

>>53756358
>>53756519
Khorne Berzerker bits are super clunky, even by marine standards because they're old as fuck, so it'll probably be difficult to avoid making them look weirdly out of place compared by the SoS model.

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>>53759448
I never understood this argument. Most Space Marine chapters are't even religious, why would female marines replace the military arm of the Ecclisiarchy?

And besides, if anyone was going to replace SoB, Sisters of Silence are nearly handcrafted to do it. They have plastic models before SoB, they're better witch hunters, they've been retconned into existing since the founding of the Imperium, thus having a longer legacy than SoB.

The best bet at this point would be to turn SoB into a Space Marine chapter eg Black Templars, with faith based special rules and access to the entire Space Marine armoury. At least then SoB will always know their army will be one of the first and most frequent to be updated.

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>>53747467

>>53747281
Women aren't exactly underrepresented in 40k.

Eldar have women in EVERYTHING. Including the apparent male models.

Imperium has:

Sisters of Silence
Assassins
Sisters of Battle (who are cooler than marines anyway)
Imperial Guard (no models)
Inquisitors
Psykers
Ministorum in general


Pretty much everywhere.

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>>53751276
They all kinda have that.
40k and AoS are merging

Folks nave been making female marines without gw sanction for as long as the game has been around. why it this a suddenly a big deal? You don't need GW's permission to do what you want with your minis and if anyone gives you shit about it, tell em to fuck off.

>>53751628
Considering the almost nonexistant physiological differences, it probably wouldn't even be possible to differentiate fully armored space marines by gender anyway.

>>53765395
>why it this a suddenly a big deal?

Same reason about half of the bid deals on /tg/ are big deals "it's catering to the FILTHY DIRTY NORMIES REEEEEE!"

>>53753684
I'm not the anon you were replying to, and I'd be fucking pissed if somebody destroyed my minis because they were too autistic to handle their existence, but the most likely scenario in this case is that a cop who's barely holding back laughter tells you that maybe if you weren't participating in an autist hobby, autists wouldn't do autistic things to you.

t. someone who had like $1400 worth of magic cards stolen during pro tour qualifiers in the original zendikar block

>>53754850
Well, sisters of silence are now a thing again in the lore, and are commercially available.

>>53765420
Yes, and thats my point. Im not for or against female marines, I just think it would be pointes.. If someone wants it, shall hey say his marines wear all lipstick under their helmets and identify as woman. As long as you enjoy the game and aren't a bitch bout it, you can bring catgirl inquistors and lewd mechanicus models how much you like into the field.

>>53747316
>those abs
I'm in love.

>>53752411
They're the meat of the Ministorum army in 8e, most of the other Ministorum is just elites and HQ, Sisters have the most/best troop choices.

>>53747423
>>53747450
>>53747467
>fem marines
>they aren't built like brick shithouses
>they don't look like they've seen battle at all
>they're just significantly smaller and more slender than man marines, with animu faces

Stop making everything about what you want to jerk off to.

>>53751628
>male sororitas
Would be like a super gay version of sisters. Eldar?

>>53752551
You are easily the biggest man child faggot I have seen all year. And I frequently browse /tv/ and /pol/

>>53748318
I don't know what I hate more. SJWs, or the people who leap at a chance to accuse people of being them

>>53753279
This picture actually raises a good point holy shit.


HEAR ME OUT GUYS

Why not have orders of sisters that are dispatched to work with marine chapters? Each chapter gets their own order and the sisters would wear armour and symbols of the chapter they fight for. You'd essentially be getting female "marines" except they would still be small and sexy (which is what tg really wants). Plus they would give gw a reason to release new models that are associated with astartes. I can see a lot of marine players wanting this.

>>53766917
Because, unlike Sisters, Marines have honor.

>>53767048
>Minotaurs
>Flesh Tearers
>Marines Malevolent
>Caracharadons
>Space wolves
>Honor

>>53767048
I usually agree whole heartidly with the girls have no honour meme, but realistically as proven by history a very small amount of girls do it understand and embrace the concept of honor. Probably 1% or less of the total female population but they exist. And the sororitas would probably make up around 1% or less of the female population in 40k so I'll say they have honour

>>53766839
Easy answer. I hate Games Workshop customers the most.

>>53767048
>>53767097
Honor is a romantic fantasy even GW treats like a meme.

>>53767355
Hell Brettonia has basically been a giant means of taking Arthurian style honor as a giant a farce

>>53767089

Literally all those chapters have honor whether you like it or not, other than Minotaurs and berserk FTs. Just because Carcharodon honor seems strange to you or you dislike SW doesn't mean they don't have honor. Sharks don't attack churches and SW are based on vikings. Only a dipshit thinks Vikings had no honor

And why the fuck isn't marines malevolent on that list

>>53767580
>And why the fuck isn't marines malevolent on that list
...It's on the list anon.

>>53767580
by that logic the World Eaters have honor...

>>53765370
yeah, there was some guy who used sigmarine legs to create true scale grey knight terminators. pretty simple conversion, and I didn't notice it until they showed me that one of the knees had a hammer on it.

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I look forward to the day when GW decides that big boobed female space marines would be profitable, and just retcons the lore to allow for them.

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>>53766917
Sister in general don't view Space Marines too highly.

They respect their martial prowess and their role as the defenders of mankind as decreed by the Emperor, but their fact that a Chapter/Legion's Primarch is often just as venerated as the Emperor himself is almost blasphemy in the eyes of the Sororitas, the guns of the Ecclesiarchy and (not so incidentally) the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus. Hell, there's a lot of Chapters that don't even view the Emperor as a God at all.

Mix that in with less than pleasant Chapters like the Flesh Tearers, Space Sharks, Marines Malevolent, Flesh Eaters, and pretty much the whole of the Renegade and Traitor forces and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why a good deal of the Sororitas (and the Ecclesiarchy in general) view the Space Marines as dangerous mutants to be wary of and not to be trusted.

I'm not sure how the Space Marines think of the Sororitas (they probably don't in general), but I'm sure they're viewed more on par with Veteran Guardsmen or Skitarii, not a force on par with themselves