Flames of War General /fowg/: Return of the microtanks

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>>53563647

First for NVA

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RIP Italeri tank commander. Dropped through my deck. He never gave a damn until the very end.

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Because someone said Team Yankee was a game about armored warfare and large mechanized units.

a small Airborne Company with heavy support sounded like a fantastic idea.

>>53736127
Awesome. Just dudes and BMDs? Did you you make up a formation diagram for them?

>>53736184
I'm using the BMDs as BMP 1s and 2s and just running them currently as vanilla mech, but we'll see what comes with Red Bear.

The current support will be a battery of Nonas and some Hinds and SU-25s, so everything will be either airlanded or aircraft.

>>53736363
Good deal! It looks awesome. Unfortunately Red Thunder won't be adding airborne. Not sure if there is an airborne equivalent for the Shturm or BTR-60

>>53736127
>BMDs
>Insert *CHEERS* here

How I wish we got those.
And T-80s.
And ERA.
And Uragans.

>>53736464
It's adding the Afghansty again.

>>53736476
>It's adding the Afghansty again
Maybe this time they'll have even learned how to stab people properly.

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>>53736868
Is this any different than what we have now?

>>53737234
You can field more CHEERS troops like T-64 formation with them.

What manufacturer would you guys recommend for Sherman Crabs? I know there's a few companies that make them, but I don't know how the quality varies.

>>53736464
Mostly just interested in the veteran of new lists and if I can make more expensive and more elite units.

>>53736469
but the Soviets never made anything that remotely approached NATO anon.

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>>53736469
Anon, I was there, in Arstootsker, in the mud bottem trenches. Them faggots didn't have ERA, other than one tank within binoc sight to make us think it was special. They used mild steel AP shot, and couldn't aim their way at a big bastard barn if given a neon sign. Fuckin sovietaboos. Your tank is 230mm RHA too, Phil said so.

>>53736127
Those look great.

>>53735310
Is it just me or is every ANZAC list Cheers'd to fuck and for more powerful than it should be?

>>53743998
The ANZACs aren't out yet.

>>53744611
Talking about the WW2 AUS/NZ lists and Vietnam.

>>53743998
>>53744732

ANZAC divisions were the only divisions constantly in frontline actions in the mediterranean. No other divisions saw that much action.

>>53743998
Australian ubermenschen.

>>53743998
The developers are from New Zealand.

There might be some favoritism and national pride bleeding through into the rules.

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>>53741509
>t. Assblasted Kolechian

I'd say the number of btfo undeadable Abrams dotting the bombed out ruin of you country tell a different story.

Go ahead, spend all your IMF relief money on guns instead of food - we'll be waiting for you.

Glory to Arstotzka

Painting 15mm infantry is suffering.

>>53748275

> Might

Yeah just a little bit.

I can't blame them though. Looking forward to the TY forces, should be quite humorous when range rovers are blowing up T-80's.

>>53751656
>>53743998
>>53748275

How are ANZAC lists more powerful than any other commonwealth list? Usually they're just standard Commonwealth lists with usually less equipment and different training?

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>>53751598
Yes it is. I hated everything after painting these fuckers. I still do, but at least now I have pretty models to hate it with.

...Though I have 100 more to paint before they're ALL done (this 152 was just the core), and ideally I'd have those done in time for a gaming meetup with an old college friend at the start of next month. I fear I may attempt to challenge myself again. Second wave would be another airlanding platoon, spare infantrymen, 2 more 3" mortars, 4 more 6pdrs, and whatever of my airborne recce I can get assembled and ready to paint by then.

>>53753070
I'm just painting regular British rifles right now. But getting each individual Enfield/Sten/Bren painted is my new personal hell.

>>53753332
My hell was the socks. I'd get a full platoon painted, be ready to move on to the next one... And realize I didn't paint ANY of the socks. For all 28-36 guys in the painting batch.

>>53753332
Are you painting them in batches by color? Once I get to detailing I usually do all the skin and wood in beige brown, then use a dark flesh on the skin followed by all the gunmetal parts.

>>53753756
Painting uniform, flesh, brown for rifles, gunmetal for bren/stens, green on helmets and vickers/PIATs. Have black and brown washes but haven't decided which to use. I'll never finish either way.

>>53753819
I use a brown wash on my infantry. You can do it. Break your guys up into smaller groups if you feel fatigued. You'll feel accomplished once you start to see guys 100% done

Anyone have a british 5.5" gun, and able to measure how tall it is? Trying to plan out army transport at the moment and need to know.

>>53753356
>socks

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>>53757061
This bit. Right above the boot, the socks are visible. Quite visible. Yet I forgot them every single time.

>>53757284

Those are gaiters, also colloquially (but inaccurately) known as puttees.

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/NVA/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mG3BvkT6YQ

How long until eastern front for v4?

>>53751598

What's wrong with painting 15mm infantry? They're my favourite scale and model type to paint. Much quicker and easier than the 15mm Cavalry and 40k stuff I'm also working on.

>>53758456
Well, I got that wrong, thought they were socks but they're something I didn't even know was a thing.

>>53760496
It probably helps that I don't have a single decent brush.

So, since I am likely meeting up with some friends on the 1st-4th of July, I need to get some modeling and painting done beforehand. Currently, that means the following:
>Airlanding engineer platoon: 32 men. Paint.
>6pdrs (on order): 16 men, 4 guns. Assemble, Paint.
>3" mortars (on order): 6 men, 2 guns. Assemble, Paint.
>Locusts: 4 tanks. Convert, Paint.
>White Scout Cars: 2 cars. Convert 1, Paint both.
>Dingoes: 2 scout cars. Convert, Paint.
>Airborne Universal carriers (on order): 6 UCs. Assemble, Convert, Paint.
Got about two and a half weeks to do it all in. Like when I did the main batch of my airlanding, I'll post pics as I get things finished. Should be able to finish as long as the models on order arrive in time.

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Might as well bump with a pic of the starting group.

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If you could get one thing made in plastic, no matter how economically viable, what would it be?

Personally, I'd go with Tetrarchs. The maximum 18 doesn't even break 1000, and they're $13 each.

>>53765485
Yes please.

Just found out I'm getting a bonus £5,400 in july. God damn I love my job. BTR-60 maxed out company planned. Have they included rules for USSR BTR Infantry companies yet because I plan to flood the table with 6 wheel egg cartons and AK-74s

>>53765485
SU-76s...

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>>53760956
Stop buying bad brushes

Does anyone have any recommendations for decent brushes for 15mm that won't break the bank?

>>53766811
total cost of ownership; windsor & newton series 7
A single brush lasts me years(!) and I have painted hundreds of 15mm figures with that one single brush.

>>53767110
price actually isn't too bad. What size do you use?

>>53765485
I'd like a raiding group revamp.
LRDG patrols in pure plastic.
And SAS jeeps too.
then i remember the shit infantry and i get sad

Hey /fowg/ I've picked up bmps and i was wondering if you warpac players got an idea as to how i should set up my bmps and units

>>53767814
If you're taking artillery you'll need one BMP1 for the Observer.

Then as Russians you'll take the rest as BMP2 for the konkurs spam. East Germans take a HQ BMP1 and a minimum sized BMP1 unit then take huge second unit with as many BMP2s as they can afford.

>>53765485
Various armored cars.
M8/M20 dual kit
Sd.Kfz. 221/222/223 (PSC has us covered for the 8-rads, but the 4-rads are missing, aside from a soft Zvezda 222)
All the things the british used, or at least the main ones (Humber, Daimler, Marmon Herrington, Staghound, Dingos)
M3 White Scout Car

>>53767903
I'm a bit hesitant to use artillery because i heard the skill is trash
also i picked up the zevzda carnations or whatever they are called and they look kinda trash.
And with the red guards having a +5 assault i don't think I'm going to be able to dislodge filthy western infantry at all.
at the very least I'm waiting for red thunder to help fix some of those fears.
I'm not happy that the t-55 will not be in the army list.
That reminds me did we get the leaks in, I've been away for a bit

>>53768318
No T-55 for Russians certainly is a bit strange, I'd assumed the reason they shafted the East Germans out of the Bastion was to give them to the Russians.

I'm almost done with these infantry... should I drybrush highlights before the wash or after the wash?

>>53770086
I do it afterwards, but doing it before lets the highlights be a bit more muted. I suppose it Depends on the level of contrast between the highlight and the base.

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>>53760451

TOO fucking long (2018-19?)

they better make it so you can possibly play 1000pt battles in a game scaled to 100 pts per match.

all hail the Glory that is Kursk!

>>53760451
>>53772561

How long until Burma?

MW Japan vs MW British

I love every theater where you are not forced to play X vs Germany.

>>53772619
If it does decide to happen it will be a card

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>>53772619

My body is ready.

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>>53762294
Locusts have had their stuff added. Stowage, smoke launchers, and a Littlejohn for the platoon leader (who also needed a new hatch made because I lost the metal original). The smoke launchers and littlejohn were a pain, since they're about the size of an infantry rifle and I had to carve the damn things from plasticard.

so for EW and LW do we still use V3 in the meantime?

>>53773472

Do whatever you want. You bought the books. If you wanna stick with V3 fine.
But do yourself a favour and try V4.

>>53773472
There's stuff to use V4 but I'd wait it out for now.

>>53773472
There's a conversion to use EW and LW with V4. There's some points balance issues though, since the edition change resulted in a LOT of changes in effectiveness. Medium mortars are underpriced as hell, heavy arty is overpriced, and airplanes are either junk with noguns or gods of the battlefield with cannnons of destruction. And that's just the obvious ones.

>>53772619
Considering they stopped responding entirely to questions about that, and it's a year since it was coming out "soon", never.

FoW v4 is broken. It killed my community. Nobody plays any more.

Thanks Phil, you smug cunt.

Cheers.

>>53778217
Let's talk a bit more about this in the interest of having a genuine conversation about how V4 is affecting our local scene.

Over here there are a couple of players that have started getting into flames with V4, but it doesn't seem like hardly anyone is picking MW up. I am going to try to run some events when the Eastern Front stuff comes out, but now I am only playing the occasional game.

TY is weird here. Everyone bought it, but people play games at random times. Everyone is into so many different games here. Seems like lately Bolt Action has been gaining more steam than Flames.

>>53743998
STREWTH, FUCK OFF YA CUNT

STRAYA FOREVER

My community has pretty much moved onto other games. People are surprisingly dropping FoW for 40k and 30k. I never thought Id see the day...

We cant attract new players because the v4 rules are broken and of poor quality. They were literally not proofread.

We need a new 15mm IgoYougo game like FoW to fill the void and let us use our models.

MW is pretty lame. The options are too few. Given how fleshed out v2 MW was, it is a definite step backwards.

Fuck Phil and his smug laziness.

Cheers.

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>>53778449
>>53778217

>>53778338
>Let's talk a bit more about this in the interest of having a genuine conversation about how V4 is affecting our local scene.
From here, people who already played want to play V3 but a lot of them are losing interest because tournaments are going to shift over eventually. The shop said they were hoping for another team yankee, but it's just sitting on shelves. They're hoping in 4-5 months someone will "discover" it and a community will emerge.

>>53778449
Funny, similar here: lots of former 40k players who were playing FOW the past 4-8 years are more excited about 8th Ed 40k than they have been about FOW V4. We've had a few new FOW players (none doing MW), but easily lost at least that number of FOW Vets.

I'm sure it varies by region and group, but for me V4 was pretty poor. I'll give it the rest of the year to see, otherwise I'll be playing something else if things don't improve.

They should have started MW Kursk, if they had to start in Mid War.

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>>53778338
>Seems like lately Bolt Action has been gaining more steam than Flames.

Not surprised Really since Bolt Action is much easier to get into and isn't a hardcore simulation of ww2 battles.
The endless complains people are having with V4 is not excatlly going to help people get into the game.
I wanted to get into V3 but couldn't find players, or even encourage the local gamers in my area to play it or any other games for that manner.

>>53766811
>>53767546
If you're in the UK Rosemary and Co series 33 brushes are good value for money.

I find 0 is the most useful brush size for 15mm. 2/0 is nice if you want to do a lot of face detail but not necessary. 1 and 2 are good size for block painting but I tend to use cheaper sable brushes for that.

If you don't already have it get Master's Brush Cleaner and Preserver. Use it to clean your brushes after every session.

>>53778338
I'm trying to push v4 MW here but the most interested player has Italians so I might need to wait for them before making a big push. The rest are happy with v3 so FoW is not dead here.

>>53778449
I think 8th is looking interesting. I'll just play both if it's good.

>>53779721
Thanks for the help.

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>>53779064
>FoW
>hardcore simulation of ww2 battles.

>>53780062
I think you might be drawing conclusions that aren't implied.

>>53779064

Yeah, BA's zany and fun and every LGS has piles of 28mm terrain. I can build a reinforced platoon for about 120 unless I'm going for a Soviet conscript horde or something.

FoW got into cheap plastics too late in the game(and only after PSC lit a fire under their asses).

>>53780891

I think FoW is also pretty cheap to get into these days (for LW at least). I think they mainly just dropped the ball with the new MW releases. The lists are a bit anemic and the cards aren't doing enough to bulk up the options. I think the American and Italian release will help spice things up a bit, but I can't help but worry that the Eastern Front will get the same bit of "optimizing".

I mean unless you bring a bad list (M1s or Leo 2s) TY is expensive as hell to start, but its selling great for now. I assume interest in the Theatre of Operations is also a big driver of sales.

>>53780891
Also 28mm, people really seem to like that scale for some reason, even if it means vehicles are absurdly large.

>>53781189
>costs 150~ bucks for minimum sized bmp company.
>this is about less than 1/5 if you play 100pts or 1/4 80 points

>>53781261

I suppose it has to do with the popularity of the Warhammer.

Tanks definitely feel a bit crowded in 28mm and their presence in an infantry platoon game is silly, though I understand that they're a cash cow and look cool.

For some reason I'm more bothered by heavy mortars and howitzers not being off-map units.

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>>53781367
BUT IF THEY WERE OFF THE TABLE THEN WE COULDN'T SELL THEM

>>53781367
Hell even in flames howitzers should be off map assets. Oddly enough Flames Vietnam did it right and made all arty off map unless it was a mission where your fire-base was being assaulted.

Still, it's hilarious to see a platoon level skirmish in BA with a random single 152mm howitzer on the front lines.

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>>53781367
That's why in BA I only bring glorious Universal Carriers.

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>>53781628

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>>53782274
Definitely aliens. Look at their weird, bulbous, black eyes! They're trying to abduct our women.

Has anyone here received their PSC T-55s yet?

Those were supposed to be shipped at the start of the month.

>>53787537
People in the UK are now getting theirs. Mine was shipped on monday but I am in Australia so I am expecting to wait another week or so.

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Putting some plastic t72s together. Anyone find the real fuel drums don't properly align?

pic semi-related

>>53789452
They're such a bitch, along with the Unditching log, to the point that I just left the logs off.

>>53789452
Yeah, it took a bunch of fiddling for me, not sure if 100% of mine are straight, but yeah...

>>53789515

so that's what the log's for. Any idea what the tube on the left of the turret is for? I presumed barrel cleaning kit.

>>53789533

thanks. I was almost debating abandoning barrels on some just out of frustration.

>>53748435
Not the reply I was expecting. Haha, glory to Arstotzka, yes friend? I can cross without passport, yes?

>>53789598
>Any idea what the tube on the left of the turret is for? I presumed barrel cleaning kit.

River crossing snorkel.

>>53789879
According to a mate of mine, it's primary purpose is to make climbing into the hatch easier and any snorkelling is secondary.

>>53778338

>Let's talk a bit more about this in the interest of having a genuine conversation about how V4 is affecting our local scene.

this is a good idea.

too bad we have diehards and tryhards who are balls deep in one edition or another

>>53762294
Daily work, I got the Whites converted to a basic level. Cutting the resin bumpers off is a pain, plastic whites when? I say basic level because the front bumpers and the rear have been accurately redone...

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>>53794590
Forgot pic, of course.

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>>53794602
>>53794590
But the interior is untouched. And they put a LOT of radios in. Alternatively, I can cheat and put a cover on, which honestly saves more paint work than modeling work (making good looking fabric is a bitch)

So, I can:
>leave them as is
>convert both to full crazy radio versions
>convert one to radio and one to raised cover
>convert both to raised cover

These are the company command vehicles for my Nachtjager obligatory Nachtjager means Night Hunter Airborne Armored Recce company, and the only Whites in the force.

Flames seems pretty dead in my area from what I can tell. The boxes just sit on the shelves and no one buys them, which is bad cause its a pretty big hobby shop with lots of patrons. Bolt Action games are definitely picking up, I see that stuff selling and people playing it.

I have two other friends who are dedicated players though but we don't care about tournaments so we play slightly modified.

We do it in 6mm using GHQ miniatures and the better v4 rules (e.g. hit allocation) mixed with the old v3 rules.

>>53794313
Regardless of your report you'll be accused of it by one side or the other. If you say your group is fine 3e purists are mad, if you say it isn't you're talking down v4.

>>53797144
Which I think we need to get all the stories out there. That way we have a better picture of what the future of the hobby. People are free to draw their own conclusions.

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Well, now I'm REALLY glad I decided to wait for reviews before buying BF's new plastic 88s!

(bleh, can't seem to post the link - go to PSC's fb page and see what's what)

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From Facebook:

PSC T-55 hulls don't fit together properly.

Truly these our the last days.

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>>53797832
Sorry that was the pic after Lee (from Breakthrough assault) cut it to fix it. Here is the original issue.

>>53797856
ayyy lmao all these delays and the plastic kit doesn't fit together.

>>53778449
PLAY BATTLEGROU'P

>>53797832
>>53797856

Just stick an elastic band around it for fuck sake.

Buying T-55's was your first mistake by the way.

>>53779064

28mm has always been a more popular scale for the normies.

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>>53778449

>People are surprisingly dropping FoW for 40k and 30k.

No one could have predicted GW would get on the right track again.
>Blog posts/YouTube videos/teasers and other forms of fan interaction
>Less disdainful attitude towards online retailers and game stores
>Simultaneous codex release for proper balance
>Ditching a lot of clunky 80's era rules

It's bizarre. I really wish I hadn't sold all my figures for a song.

I'm still going to push Bolt Action and Saga hard and continue with my Hail Caesar project, but I'm going to play 40K again just so I can have a mainstream game to play regularly. Battlefront is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

>>53800873
>Battlefront is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

All this doom and gloom and dark despair...

4th is a good game. Battlefront may be making some unusual decisions lately with the command cards and the bendy plastic, but the game itself is still pretty solid rules wise.

>>53802539
>4th is a good game.
Eh. It's playable. It has a lot of weird decisions even over team yankee that make it janky and it's driven a lot of older players off. Also you can't really separate command cards from the game since that's how missions are meant to be played now.

>>53802539
I'm more worried about the current trajectory with lists + cards. Right now the EW + LW lists are fine as stand ins, but there are a lot of things that aren't pointed correctly. But I also don't want EW and LW to get the gutting that MW received.

>>53806123
See, this I don't understand...

The biggest complaint I always heard against LW is that it had too many special snowflake lists. To the point of absurdity.

Now people are upset that V4 seems to be too generic.

So which is worse? Too generic, or too snowflake?

Because I'm certain if they tried to go for something in the middle, somebody would be upset that their particular special snowflake list wasn't included.

It seems to me like the player base as a whole isn't happy unless they have something, anything, to bitch and moan about.

>>53807825
>Too generic
It's this. You can ignore a snowflake list but lacking a generic one means you're fucked.

But then I played soviets and always wanted snowflakes.

>>53807825
You can't honestly point at how abysmally anemic MW's content has become and go, "it's this or snowflakes, anon".

>>53807825
>people complain LW has too many lists
>"we have listened to your complaints by keeping LW exactly the same and deleting almost everything from MW, which literally nobody thought had too many lists"
I hope this illustrates why BF is fucktarded.

Holy shit, 6 months of mid-war and people are already abandoning the ship.

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What's the state of US Armored Rifles in V4?

>>53809970
Non-existent. Only actual V4 right now is Desert Rats and Afrika Korps. Come back in a few months (probably next year though).

>>53809970
In Late War?

Still pretty good. They're still a strong choice for anti-tank and anti-infantry work.

>>53809923
>3 months
It's not that I am abandoning ship, it's just that Battlefront has been completely negligent to support products that they currently produce in their new books and cards. If you aren't prepared to purchase the new kits from the options that Battlefront has picked out, you are out of luck.

Currently MW on the eastern front is left in an awkward spot. We won't start getting books for it until next year. Though part of me is excited and wants to start collecting more MW equipment for my Soviets, I have no idea what will actually be included or left out of the new releases.

Playing Eastern Front lists with V4 rules is certainly an option, but there is still balance weirdness. Some units like T-34s are now greatly undercosted due to their armor and ability to dash across the board while some key components of my army (heavy howitzers, SU-122s, SU-152s) have been walloped with the nerf bat. I want to collect Razvedki, but I somehow doubt that will make it into V4 MW.

I understand Battlefront needs to bring people in and sell new kits to stay in business, but in my opinion they are doing a poor job of getting the existing community involved to help the new players along. The game seems to be suffering locally because of it. Even like one PDF of basic shit for the Soviets to bring in MW would be enough to assist players like me in promoting V4 in MW.

>>53807825
>Now people are upset that V4 seems to be too generic.
Because BF took MW, which had a reasonable number of lists for every faction (~a dozen per book, with two books), and reduced it to 2 factions with 4-5 lists each. LW, where each faction has like 4 books with over a dozen lists in each? Completely untouched.

They hit the wrong thing and they hit it WAY too hard. It's like responding to someone saying their semi truck is too big by taking their commuter car and compressing it into a golf cart.

>>53811100
Battlefront is dumb as a box of rocks if they think selling minis is sustainable. Unlike GW they can't do a fluff rehash and invalidate a line of models. 15mm WW2 is 15mm WW2. Without a decent ruleset, nobody will spend any money on their products. I can buy 15mm from PSC and play Battlegroup for less money.

>>53812198
Which is exactly what they are trying to do... new kit releases for everything. It takes a bit of time to work through all those releases. I understand that they are trying to update the product... but I think they should have relied more on current models where they could have gotten by with it.

Breakthrough Assault has a review up for the new PSC T-55.

It seems like there might be some minor build issues with the kit, and you'll need to use spare Battlefront tank commanders if you build it with open hatches, but the the end result looks nice.

http://www.breakthroughassault.co.uk/plastic-soldier-company-15mm-t-55-review/

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>>53765485

King Tiger/Jagdtiger, I'm thinking.

>>53817351
Uh... Zvezda already do both in plastic pretty well?

>>53817063
I dig this review but guuuh the context bit at the start. When it's not being "cheers" it's really badly researched. How is arguably the best all-rounder tank until the M60 a "quantity over quality" tank?

>>53817900
Eh... I mainly linked to it since it had some decent pictures of the kit itself and because it points out some potential issues with the build itself and how to work around them.

But yeah, some people seem to fully buy into the Cheers, especially the popular blogs.

As for "quantity over quality", it's probably because like the T-34 before it, the T-55 was produced in obscenely large numbers.

>>53817900
>the T-55 reflected the first moves towards accepting a little less quantity for a bit more quality

Are we reading the same article?

>>53817900
>the context bit at the start
In order:

The T-44 was not produced too late to see the war; it was held back from the eastern front for logistical reasons and fought in Manchuria with over 600 tanks.
The T-44 couldn't carry the 100mm gun; the turret ring had to be enlarged. T-44-100 also had the T-34-85 style turret, the T-54 had a weird round thing to begin with that had noticeable shot traps.
The L7, at least in the 1960s, did not dramatically outgun the D-10T unless you're assuming the soviets weren't allowed HEAT rounds. An equivalent sabot round was available from 67.
T-55 did not give stabilisers and IR capability; stabilisation came with T-54A, while it improved and gained an IR sight with late-production T-54B. NBC did come with T-55, and the lack of the non-airsafe vent is one of the ways to tell apart T-55s from T-54s externally.
Also fuck the "they finally accepted quality over quantity!" nonsense, the T-34 was the best tank in the world at the time of it's introduction.

Additionally the T-55AM and AM2 aren't east german; essentially everyone produced them.

>>53818139
>Are we reading the same article?
It's phrased as if the T-55 was still a cheap and cheersful spam-tank to xaxaxaxa the west to death with, rather than probably the world's best tank for a decade and a half.

Anyone have good 15m civilian models?

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So I finally got my hands on PSC's Universal Carriers. An amazing kit with tons of options, even if half of the sprue is unused on a given carrier. But there's one problem: If you follow the directions as given, you're told to put the front armor plate on and then the crew in afterwards. However, the driver is impossible to fit in once you've glued the front on.

Anyone looking to assemble some, put the driver in BEFORE you glue the front on.

>>53824304
I just assembled my box yesterday, same problem with the bren gun on the front hull. I actually had to do some filing.

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>>53811100

The trick is to just keep playing V3 until V4 gets to your area.

>>53824249
Period? Peter pig have some WW2 peasants and civilians, and a semi-modern TV crew in their africa range and maybe some other refugees.

>>53789452
pic can't be related, at least to TY soviets.

Red aside, that is not a communist soldier.

he is obviously a Fearless Veteran Aggressive British Commando, equipped to engage all-female units at 2+ in close assault

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>>53809347

i wish i could say something about this post, but i have difficulty not agreeing with it.

you know.
how you come across truth...
and you could either start thinking and rub the ol' chin, or you could lie up a patch story to cover your point of view....

>>53818538

>probably the world's best tank for a decade and a half.

Compared to a Mk VII Centurion?

just saying.

BMP needed.

btw, Centurion didn't have a great gun it's whole service.

For some bizarre reason I suddenly want to let the local Germans have the Sealion game they're clamoring for.

I strongly suspect this is related to my equally sudden desire to find and get a full 2m long model of HMS Warspite to place behind them as my reserves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNfvJc99YY

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>>53762294
Recon platoon assembled except for stowage (crews are not glued in, nor are the fronts for the Carriers).

Need the heavy weapons platoon to arrive from order before I can make the 4 MMG carriers, but currently I have almost all of the modeling work that I can do finished. Just need to finish blinging out these and the Whites.

>>53827065
>Compared to a Mk VII Centurion

>T-55, entered service 1949.
>Centurion Mk VII, began production 1953.

So, the world's best tank for a decade and a half, yeah?

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Finished my Americans! And just about done with the Brits in the background

>>53833650
Why are your americans nazi australians?

>>53833817
Well the decision to turn them into Aussies was all on 4chan. As for the swatika, I did my best, but I just can't stop drawing them.

>>53833817
Most likely, they want to make sure every allied pilot in the area bombs them.

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>>53833650
>Confederate flag
If only.

>>53834212
>As for the swatika, I did my best, but I just can't stop drawing them

It's bad enough to put them on LW german tanks, but LW Americans with swastikas. You have to be fucking kidding...

i know nout about this game but it looks incredibly dull
whats the appeal?

>>53835381
you can push tanks around and make other tanks blow up

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>>53834212
Call it a trophy.
I could totally see a bunch of aussies waving that flag around covered in grease to provoke the Germans
>>53835065
>It's bad enough to put them on LW german tanks
Explain yourself anon.
and does this include SS

>>53835381
Whats the appeal of other wargames?
It's one of the few company level games that let's me play with historicals.
In my book it's fucking great, even if v4 is sort of weak

>>53835381

If ye' naw nout then keep ya' gob shut.

15mm is a popular scale, WWII is a popular period. What more is there to say? BF is ahead of the competition because they offer the full GW service of paints, rules and models.

>>53824304
>directions as given
Is this a new thing? PSC giving instructions?

>>53836484
they've always had like one page instructions telling you what is for what mark or period

>>53835636
>Explain yourself anon.
>and does this include SS
LW, the Luftwaffe basically ceased to exist. What a bright red and white flag on the top of your tank says is "Allied Aircraft, shoot me!". A German tank is going to keep their flags nicely tucked away if they brought them at all because the allies had complete air supremacy. Putting one on a US tank is asking for a really bad friendly fire incident.

Now, EW, when the Luftwaffe reigned supreme over Europe? You'd see them all the time on german vehicles. Just like how most allied tanks had an allied star or two on their top surfaces to reduce friendly fire incidents.

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>>53835636
>Call it a trophy.
Exactly! A little souvenir. And here's a non-aussie version.

>>53766550
It's coming!

someday...

A brit armoured car kit would be good. Probably the Humber or daimler.

>>53766550
This too.

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>>53735310
>mfw Stripes will contain M1A1s (with option for M1A1 HA), Bradleys with TOW-2 missiles and updated options for all NATO armies including the Challenger MBT for UK

>>53842437
>mfw Stripes will contain M1A1s
Almost certainly the M60.

>>53843635
>he doesn't know the M1A1 is already on the Abrams sprue.

I swear I have to bump these threads more since V4 came out.

Anyone know why Dice of War doesn't offer tokens with their sets anymore? Just dice. Was kinda disappointed to find that.

>>53846742
IIRC, they got C&Ded because they were using the same markings and shapes as BF. That's only a vague recollection, though.

>>53843635
I'd imagine it would be the M60 Patton or even a few M48 Pattons that are still in Service in 1985.

>>53844108
True. But I don't think the fictional timeline has advanced more than a few weeks, maybe a month, from the original Team Yankee core rule book to the new front line shown in Volksarmee.

>>53846696
It's stupid late at night In the US, and fairly early in the morning for Europe on a Friday night / Saturday morning.

That could also have something to do with it.

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>>53846696
I think it's just been a slow week. That and Friday night is always slow.

I am wrapping up some Germans and I will soon have this list ready to go. Are the resin Panzer IIs that just got released the F version? What version is the Zvezda option? I think sometime in the future I might pick some of those up to have shitty training tanks to put on the table.

>>53844108
That's probably for the Gulf expansion or possibly a "late war" segment featuring all the next-gen stuff that's not in TY.

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>>53847619
>True. But I don't think the fictional timeline has advanced more than a few weeks, maybe a month, from the original Team Yankee core rule book to the new front line shown in Volksarmee.
Hahaha, you understimate the power of Cheers

>>53850730
>Gulf expansion

I am sure the non-existent arab opfor players are anxiously waiting for AIW2.

>>53851851
I mean you could proxy an Iraqi Republican Guards armored force with Volkspamee and nobody would blink an eye.

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>>53851928
So much for low-tech high-skill East Germans ;__;

>>53831945
1949 - 1953
that is a mere 5 years

>>53852069
Look at when the L7 first started getting equipped.

>>53835381
>dull
Incredibly dull compared to what?

first, don't think WH40k players don't just paint the scheme in the book. (if the niggers just refuse to paint at all) most of those fags play a cannon chapter of smurfs.
you CAN fuck with your color scheme and have it make sense, (or fun) which is 1/2 the reason Germany and Russia are popular: only Burger/Bongland had the whole drab-only deal. hell, see Finland and Hungary for different camo schemes.

as for dull action? it's the best combined arms game i know with ease of entry. so, you don't have psykers, or heroes that wash through enemy troops? is cheezehammer the game you really wanna play?
....or, want a tactical challenge? try "close to realism" for a change. FoW, Bolt Action, and BattleGroup are great BECAUSE the game tries to model realism, instead of power fantasies...that's why all these whiny hipsters and bluehairs love fantasy gaming...they can get their power fantasy fix once they find the game-break.

even the most broken list in FoW can find itself in a corner after 1 or 2 small mistakes.

in the end, this game is about facing the unexpected and solving problems. you have to think and apply, not just roll up with your combo.

/dull
/rant

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>>53852130
L7 was 1959.
so, a decade.
cool. i like both tanks.

>>53852436
>cool. i like both tanks.
The point remains the west had nothing comparable to the T-55 for a long-ass time, so the idea that the T-55 was still a spam tank is slightly silly.

>>53852244
>FoW, Bolt Action, and BattleGroup are great
One of these things is not like the others. Might be two, now.

>>53852244
On top of that, the lists new powergamers gravitate to - like heavy armour or armoured infantry - are usually the hardest to play if you grab the most expensive options.

So they take their space marine mentality over and get totally curb-stomped by a balanced list.

>>53853460
I've seen it happen first hand.

A noob with a love of the Large Cats asked me for a 2000 point game back in the early days of V3.

He fielded Tigers, 88s, and a Panther hero whose name I can't remember. The one with the repair shop objective.

I fielded my US paratroopers out of Market-Garden with as many bazookas, AT guns, and British Sherman Fireflies as I could pack into the list.

The Shermans admittedly didn't last long, but the infantry, bazookas, and AT guns turned his Tigers into kitty litter.

>>53852244
>if the niggers just refuse to paint at all
jesus christ bartosz - can we rise above /b/ level?

>>53852244
>racial slurs

come on man, I know we're on 4chan but I thought fowg was better than that.

>>53857536
>>53857886
***triggered***

I just want someone to post a fully painted 761st Tank Batallion to see how butt blasted people get.

>>53858953
Why would anyone get Butt Blasted? Are you sure you're not just projecting your own insecurities?

>>53858953
That'd be neat. Do they have any special rules?

>>53859167
Superior Fire Control reduces the number for their first range in check by one, I think this is on their integrated support like Sherman 105s.

Well Drilled, HQ Combat and Weapon platoons from the Fearless Trained company pass skill checks on 3+.

If you're playing V3, they've also got Mission Tactics.
They also come in Fearless Veteran or Fearless Trained.

>>53859072
Seems to invoke a shitstorm every time someone posts about colored units on here or /his/. What the fuck does that have to do with any of my securities?

>>53859794
Literally when. One fag on the BF forums got ass-blasted is all I remember.

>>53857886
Fuck off, faggot.

>>53857536
Fuck off, faggot.

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>>53860838
>>53860855
Samefag

>>53858953
Wouldn't the crews be inside their tanks, meaning that with the exception of commanders in the hatches, they wouldn't look any different than any other random olive drab Sherman?

I get the whole pandering/triggered angle you're going for, but with the crews inside their tanks it is quite literally meaningless what color their skin is.

>>53860974
They have an option for dismounted tank crews as SMG teams if I remember right.

>>53861046
Yeah but they're crap.

>>53857536
>>53857886

LOL

this is 2017: ebonics pervade america. nigger means "fool" (with great vulgarity) over here, thanks to the prevalence of rap culture amongst white americans.

i literally shit you not. wish i wasn't.
heck, one day black people will regret using that foul word casually and letting white kids pick up the habit

nice to see someone is still old fashioned though. you have your work cut out for you...

/pol
/sorry_its_the_truth

>>53856019
>Panther Hero

Ernst Barkmann, some SS fag...

>>53858953
i might. i do like the Black Panther's unit badge

but a CSA army ala' Turtledove w V4 Americans (Stuarts, Lee's) would cause -infinitely- more butthurt.

....

>i just wanna play Kursk, guys...

>>53861904
>Ernst Barkmann

I really should have known that. I'm almost disappointed in myself that I didn't.

>>53861988
I would love to find some minis that look and feel like they could be from an alternative WWII and not just repainted tanks from the real WWII.

Because I seriously doubt the Barrels looked anything like Shermans, Lees, Grants, etc.

>>53861904
>"this is 2017"
>makes decade old racist argument

>>53857886

You thought wrong.

>>53864258
Just ignore the post. No need to go full tumblr over some profanity.

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I painted my first tank today, /fowg/. I tried out a wash with a drybrush on top of it because I don't really know what else to do. The wash came out uneven. In some spots that looks good but in others it looks terrible. There also has to be an easier way to get the green on. I feel like I'm wasting a lot of paint in that process.

>>53865234
doesn't look bad for a first try, you're off to a good start :)

For the wash, try doing a 50/50 mix of Glaze Medium and the shade. Mix and apply generously. Wait 10-15 minutes, dip cotton swab in water and clean up all the spots you dont want shade (any protruding/large smooth surfaces). Almost never turns out uneven and gives you much more control. Leave to dry for a day or so, and then high light.

>>53865234
>There also has to be an easier way to get the green on

With time your brush proficiency will improve a lot.

>The wash came out uneven. In some spots that looks good but in others it looks terrible.

Acrylic washes have a big downside in that it's really hard to do anything with them after they've dried. Oil and enamel washes on the other hand can be cleaned up quite easily even after having dried, up to a few days later for oil washes.

To make an oil wash, put a small amount of oil paint on a piece of cardboard and let it sit for a while to draw out excess oil. Then mix it with white spirits to make a wash. Apply, let dry, whipe off any excess/bad spots with white spirits.

Whatever variant you choose, even sticking to acrylics, you'll probably want to gloss coat the model first. This can help the wash flow, and helps protect the model and paintjob from the thinners used.

>>53864258
>anything older than 5 seconds cannot ever be relevant anymore

>>53865738
>ancient outdated arguments are still relevant

>>53865765
Of course, lad. Chew your food, remember to breathe, and don't be a buttboy.

>>53865234
I used to do the same thing,now I generally use a thinner brush to just apply wash around raised details rather than over the whole thing, not *quite* pinwashing but a similar kind of thing. This method also prevents any camouflage you've tried being obscured.

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TKS

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Anyone with Scans of the British Desert Rats Command Cards?

http://www.wwpd.net/2017/06/fow-v4-desert-rat-command-cards.html

>>53870055

i play Brits in EW alone.
so, i could get them, but it'd be solely to post pics of the cards.

>>53864258
>decades old
the decades old argument is black inferiority, or a jim crow scenario
he uses the 2015+ point: white burgers have picked up the old black stereotype as their own.
your logic utterly failed.
your defense is invalid.

>>53870499
That would be a symbol of gratitude, Sir.

>>53870548
Who are you and why the fuck are you even on this thread?

>>53870499
I could also do that
>tfw when no MW LRDG lists

>>53864047
Barkmann is personally one of my characters, if only he wasn't SS.
Of all the big cats i think it'd take his when I'm not spamming stugs

>>53861988
>the Black Panther's unit badge
The 66 infantry?
I've never had to play against an American list, how do footsloggers work if there are footslogger americans them?

>>53857886
>getting upset at the word nigger on 4chan
Look man, you really don't have to get upset on behalf of others. My family are islanders and on the islands we have much more to deal with than getting called nigger or coolie.
Rodney price had the right idea, the poor in Jamaica live like dogs man. I wish the British will take us back because when Cuba opens up for all tourism there really isn't a reason to go to Jamaica any more (might actually be the case now not sure how the burgs deal with Cuba).
Point is just enjoy the thread and don't get caught up on every little thing people say, i mean the warpac/v4 whinging is over. Everything is looking fine.

>>53873178
>the warpac/v4 whinging is over
Warpac are waiting to see if the T-64 list is going to be shit or not (signs currently point to yes), v4 is a lost cause. You're either playing v3 or retarded at this point.

>>53874587
>v4 is a LoSt cAuSe. YoU'rE eItHeR PlAyInG V3 oR ReTaRdEd aT tHiS pOiNt.

>>53870714
>>53872961

well then, i will give it my best shot: dunno when i will next be down to the store, but i have found the spare money.

may the best anon deliver first!

>>53873178
>Of all the big cats i think it'd take his when I'm not spamming stugs
but...but StuG spam is glorious!

>>53873178
>66th.
the 761st. it's tank and mechanized. theirs was primarily the tri-color triangle with 761 on it, but their TD crews prominently wore the badge TD's would be known by: the black cat on a yellow roundel eating treads.
they are oft also associated with the 29'th "come out fighting" badge, but i think that is by crossover and not the same unit. been a while since i looked.

>>53874587
this. i am eagerly awaiting Red Thunder, though a few things are spoiled....

>>53874792
We know which one you are

>>53874792
that post badly needed a spurdo graphic

t.finland

>>53874862
>but...but StuG spam is glorious!
well that's my point, you pay for those f/v SS stug gs,even more than sturmi i think

>>53875273
i've wanted to try out the HG StuG Digital that came out....

as for SS StuG's? i've found the CV ones can still do the job just as well....

>>53874862
Well thank you very much.

If my store had them in stock I wouldn't care about the 5 bucks. But my store is horrible for that and I don't want to wait any longer :(

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>How many levels of CHEERS you on?
>You are like little baby, watch this.

>>53877402
ouch. cringeworthy. context?

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>>53877893

>>53878624
What the fuck is wrong with these people? FoW is not a simulator.

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>>53878624
wew lad

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daily reminder

Has Phil ever cited a single source for any of his claims? I work with old documents for a living and would enjoy tracking down and reading what Timecube levels of insanity he's huffing.

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>>53879529

>>53852130
And even then the L7 had their initial problems against the T-54/55.

The history, design and performance of the L7 compared with the D-10 is pretty interesting, and it shows you that if Germany had used the Long 88 for some more years it could have been a close competition to the L7.

>>53879563

Nope. Not even Wikipedia, and he could edit that one and screen cap it to prove himself right.

>>53879563
I think he just says "reliable sources"

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>>53880287
>"reliable sources"

"Top Men"

>>53881822
>every box is labelled "commie tears"

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>>53880287
He's like journalists these days, "I have sources, but I can't reveal those for scrutiny, cheers."

>>53883204
Most of his sources are the chump who writes the Ospreys.

>>53879563
He's using one of the ex-designers from Steel Beast's estimations that, as multiple people pointed out, ignores a minor element of protection known as "density" and might even be an incorrect estimate entirely from looking at cross-sections of the turret armour. After he left soviet armour suddenly got way better, incidentally.

>>53884400
Ospreys on soviet stuff are usually written by Zaloga, who is both good and also gives way higher estimates than BF do.

>>53739309
t.chris

>>53885329
*phil

More info for our Cheers players:
http://www.breakthroughassault.co.uk/red-thunder-army-book-review/

>>53887732
This article hardly gives any new information. One wonders why it was even released at all. We still don't know the cost per tank of the T-64.

>>53887732
>>53887875
Agreed.

That article doesn't tell us anything that we didn't already know.

I'm guessing there is a gag order on talking about any of the points information until the book is actually in stores.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbKBvG58ayk&list=PLBAEOsdxIbLPFEomzphaZQ0A5Vujkpjd8&index=12
I say! The old chap is quite knowledgeable of the good english steel, quite indeed!

>>53889407
Scout car of the year all years.

>>53889407

I love that bloke.

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>Special delivery for a "Mr. Eagles".

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So I'm painting my west germans in swedish colours since sweden used some of the wg stuff.
Thing is, sweden didn't use the leo 1 and I'm not sure how to paint it.
Norway and denmark did use the leo 1 but all pics I can find shows the turret to be significantly different to the bf model.
I guess what I'm asking is, what contries bought the version of leo 1 that bf sells?

>Tl;dr what paint job to paint leo 1 besides wg?

>>53892330
dunkelgelb

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>>53893452

>>53892330
The BF model is of the Leo 1A3 which has the boxy welded turret. As far as I can tell, the 1A3 variant was used by Australia, Greece, Denmark and Turkey.

The rounded turret was from the original Leopard 1 Stock and the A1. Later the West Germans made the A5 upgrade (pictured in your post) to modernize these older variants. These upgrades were popular with the export customers who bought their Leopard 1s earlier, Norway, Belgium, Netherlands, Canada and Italy.

i hate niggers...

>>53892102
of course, the one on the right is the all round better tank.

>>53892102
Goddamn it, where's mine.

>>53895590
C-cheers Phil.

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>>53895374
Many thanks friendo

>>53895590
>FA15
>RoF 2

checks out

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>danish aa bump

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>>53898791

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>fasta 4u
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