Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Storm Ravens in this edition?

>be me
>play emperor's children
>love the new noise marines, they're awesome
>go to store
>play a game against chad
>he sets up his Primaris Marines™
>god i wish my models were as tall as his
>we begin the game
>he deep strikes his Primaris Inceptors™ into my noise marine squad, killing 2 of them on the charge with a well used Command Point™ reroll, killing the rest of them in a single combat phase
>well that's ok i guess, i have a few more squads lef-
>his Primaris Hellblasters™ rip my chaos lord to shreds
>finally my sonic weapons are in range
>aim and fire
>all my rolls missed
>my marines are too short to have any effect on the superior aryan Primaris Marines™
>watch helplessly as that squad is ripped apart by Primaris Intercessor™ Bolt Rifle™ fire
>as he slowly tables me, he looks me in the eyes
>"sucks to be a noiselet, eh buddy?"
>i can hear the sounds of his laughter closing in on me
>run home as they chase me out of the store chanting “NOISELET NOISELET NOISELET”
>they trash my forgeworld sonic dreadnought with a hammer but i managed to escape with the rest of my army
>burn all my models but the metal parts won’t set on fire
>vow to never play 40k again

>>53733018

10/10 choice for OP image

>>53733067
Noiselets just aren't as funny as Fabius stomping all over Titans. 2/10

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The Marshal of my BT crusade, newly built (helmet subject to change).

Can ork boy spam compete with guard conscript spam?

>>53733093
Please tell me it is recast.

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>>53733002

This poster again, Just wanna ask again in fresh thread

Help me have a fun evening tomorrow.

>>53733098

Probably not, but if someone has some mathhammer to the contrary, I'd love to see it.

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So how's this fucker in the 8th?

Anyone know where to get chaos stars, I need to make some Chaos cultists and want to add some to Genestealer cultists I'm using for them.

A summary of Xenos:

Orks: You lose. A lot.

Tyranid: You lose. A lot. But you tend to give a better account of yourselves than Orks.

Necron: Actually you do pretty well for Xenos, you just don’t do much.

Craftworlds: You are either losing or you are only winning because you are playing sidekick to an Imperium hero who saves the day.

Dark Eldar: Again you don’t do much in the Fluff, you do okay when you do though.

Ynnari: You exist as a vehicle for the Imperium

Harlequin: You have almost no major military conflicts to your name

Tau: You do well, like the Necron, but are so tiny you’re repeatedly told it doesn’t matter, and practically the entire fanbase will spit on you and tell you you’re trash

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>>53733093
Other side

>>53733121
I don't know, it's definitely a possibility. I got the BT bits from a bits hoard on eBay when I was just starting 40k; some of the bits were a lighter colored plastic like those seen in the picture, whereas others were the standard dark grey GW plastic.

Should i bother with Yarrick? I want reroll 1s aura, but i dont play catachan.

>>53733161
Do you mean lorewise or tabletop?

>>53733141
Way worse than the exocrine

>>53733183
Lorewise.

>>53733018

That inforgraphic is missing Straken, which can give 1 additional attack (which seems to stack with the priest)

3pt 3A seemsbalanced

Inquisition Acolytes with Storm Bolters look too good for 72 points
You can have 2 squads and load them in a Valk for lolz.

>>53733213

If you are loading them up in a valk, go with full flamer loadout for some fun

>take a handful of vindicare assassins
>take out central characters in the conscript blobs
>win against an entire army with a couple models
gg ez

>>53733240
>flamers
>deepstrike

Anon are you drunk?

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>>53733161
>A VAST SWATHE OF SPACE!
Have anyone in GW ever watched the galactic map and t'au empire or is this compared to other minor empires?

>>53733258
> Valkyrie
It's a disembark. You can go as close as you want.

>>53733018
Reposting from dead thread

So conscript spam genuinely seems to be game busting meta more cancerous than riptide-wings, and it's worse because you know for a fact that the shitters who wouldn't paint a couple of enjoyable to paint large models definitely won't paint 100-300 infantry. How could something that was immediately obvious within hours of the leaks escape notice of GW?
a. they genuinely don't care or are functionally retarded
b. the playtesting took place between people who wouldn't grief each other with broken tactics and only use fluffy lists (and ironically conscript spam is the fluffiest of fluffy lists)
c. it was deliberate to sell what is in real money a hugely overcosted model
If it was deliberate then the sale of the poorly sculpted guardsman that looked shot when it was released compared to its predecessor must have been the single underpinning aim of all GW's efforts. New GW indeed.

Could this cause enough butthurt to reverse all GW's fortunes? I think an element of retardation must come into it because most armies could have had a weapon tailored to deal with massive mobs like the deathstrike but which are now worthless.

>>53733267
space is very humongous big

Anyone have the custodes pages from the index?

I want to play shooty orks instead of choppy, how fucked am I this edition?

>>53733277
No, and Anon, theywill rebalance them if they seem too strong, within months.

>>53733275
Meh not that cool.

>>53733258

>deepstrike

>Anon are you drunk?

Are you?

>>53733277

I think the playtesters just didn't like making horde armies for some reason, so GW kept buffing them.
Either that, or the playtesting was a lie, and GW just slapped these books together.

I'm hopeful that the codexes will fix this.
When 3rd edition first came out, guard were pretty broken too. (though not nearly to this extent).
It took 2 codex releases for them to finall balance guard. Though once they did, guard were in a really good place.
Effective without being OP, and had lots of fun options.

>>53733354
>deep strike over 9'' away from enemy
>use 8'' flamers
????

>>53733383
>i can't read

So what's the best and worst meme so far to come out from 8th?

>>53733383
>>53733354
>>53733275
Question!

What is the point of Grav Chut if you can simply disembark.

With how fast this thing move, using the chut rule is suicidal.

>>53733277
Anon, people have said this for just about every generation of IG since the dawn of time.

I don't see a reason why i should take vets now. I can just have 3 command squads in chimera. They both take elite slot, why pay more.

>>53733309
How can they rebalance them with templates gone? As it stands they would have still been a formidable unit even if blasts hadn't been nerfed.
The attempts to 'balance' Eldar and Tau just buffed them and kept them on top for 8 years. The only thing they could do is make it so they can't interact with officers at all and that doesn't make any sense.

>>53733416

The point is disembarking AFTER the vehicle has moved, THEN moving the unit as per normal disembark rules.

>>53733171
GW plastic have varied a lot in colour over the years.

>>53733175
>yarrick
>catachan
What? He doesn't have that keyword.

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Help guys! I need clarification on something clearly stated in the rulebook but I'm just too lazy to look at the leaks and I have no friends to ask!
Please help, I posted on Reddit but they aren't responding!

>>53733416
You can only disembark before it moves.
Grav chute can disembark whenever it feels like it.

>>53733416
normally you disembark at the beginning of the movement phase before the transport moves , with the valkyrie you can disembark over any spot it moved during the movement phase
and if you moved 20 inches or less you don't risk injury
allows you to get your dudes where they need to be without having it be blatantly obvious , in rapid fire/flamer range and possibly move them all into cover if need be

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Ork boy with a choppa kills 0.89 conscripts (2.67 points) on average each fight phase and 0.15 (0.45 points) in their own shooting phase while locked in close combat. Add 33% more kills in each fight phase if their unit somehow still has twenty models in it.

Conscript with full buffs kills 0.19 orks (1.11 points) in the fight phase and each of their own shooting phases (double that if within 12" but not locked in close combat). Reduce that to 0.15 orks (0.93 points) if they have a painboy.

So in theory, the orks could win if they get stuck in early enough. However, the orks are much more vulnerable to having their buff characters removed for the simple reason that IG have snipers and orks don't.

>>53733465
Im talking about Harker. He is probably the best character in guard book.

>>53733175
>yarrik
You mean Ol iron hand?

>>53733425
It wasn't a simple matter to just include 100 conscripts in any imperial army though. Tyranids couldn't have a huge swarms of genestealers backed up by hundreds of conscripts before.

>>53733465

Indeed.

On the other hand Catachian have Harker that does the same thing for cheaper, and Straken that gives +1A to conscripts (and stacks with priest)

>>53733454
But you can't move after a deepstrike...

Wait a second it is not a deepstrike.

In what situation would be that useful, the bloody thing moves 45".
Positioning the bloody thing.

>>53733441
Well, the three command squads take up three elite choices.

>>53733465
>>53733175
a) he isn't even catachan
b) commisars don't have a regiment keyword (unless you count officio prefectus) , making him the only named character that you can still take in any list without hamstringing yourself or disregarding your own fluff

Where can I get some guitars for my noise marines?
I don't like normal guns that are implied to have sound magic abilities.

>>53733491
>Ol' Iron Hand
You mean Kommisar Krab?

>>53733453
Make their armor save 6+
Change how commissar executions work

>>53733482
>orks dont
ask that one chapter who all died to "ork snipers" that!

>>53733482
snipers aren't all that killy
especially not since you can target them freely in your own fase

>>53733067
>Nukes Chads with Conscripts supported by commanders and commissars hiding behind Tank Commanders that can now fire all their guns while facing sideways for maximized line of sight blockage.

It's the Imperium of MAN motherfuckahs!

>>53733482
If the orks take all their buffing characters is it even cost efficient for IG to bring enough snipers to deal with that?

>>53733510
>Kommisar Krab
You mean grandpa snip snap?

>>53733453
50-90% point cost reduction for sniper units.

>>53733383
Hilariously, the GW Community Viking Hipster guy was talking about "cheeky" ways for Tau suits to deepstrike and still use 8" flamers despite the 9" deepstrike norm.

I think it was Stealth Suit homing beacons, or something, but I wasn't really paying attention.

>>53733548
that'd be hell on every other army's characters

>>53733503
it moves 20 inches minimum what are you on about ?
and even if you do threaten to fly of the edge and you're not playing with death from the skies for some reason you can simply declare you are entering hover mode and turn around / move less than 20 inch

>>53733453

Basically, just look at the list of buffs in the OP pic, and reduce or eliminate almost all of them in some manner.

>>53733204
Might as well take Harker or Yarrick for some rerolls as well.

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>>53733482

I wonder how good the Flame Belcha and Super Skorcha will be when they roll out the Index Xenos from Forgeworld.

Or the Klaw Stompa for that matter.

If the Gorkanaut gets 16 attacks, I imagine the Klaw Stompa will probably have an astronomical number.

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Okay seriously, how is Yarrik supposed to be able to fight on the same level as Gazzy?
He's several times smaller than him and also old as fuck, it just makes no sense that he could even present a challenge in a straight up fight

>>53733548
So 2 PPM ratling snipers? Okay, time to play a game called "Vanguard Detachment Midget Horde"

>>53733453
>remove orders (they're not as highly trained as guardsmen)
>when a commissar does his execution thing, roll a dice: on a 1 the commissar is slain and the models flee anyway
If you think the first is extreme, there's got to be a reason to take normal guardsmen now, bit as is nobody will.

I want to start building Necrons.
Where the fuck do I start? Where can I find info on dynasties? I cant find the 7e Codex anywhere.

>>53733566
Good. Fuck hero hammer.

>>53733565
It's a real thing. Homing beacons on stealth suits allows you to deep strike crisis suits within 9''. One unit per one beacon. Too bad crisis suits are overcosted shit but it allows 4xFusion Commander to get within melta range or O'shovah close enough for guaranteed charge.

>>53733277
conscript spam isn't fun or cheap

so even waacs will quickly get bored of it

will be interesting to see it at a tournament. if the tournaments rules allow for it. you'd really have to play fast though. biggest problem with so many models.

>>53733618
how about we do none of that dumb shit and just limit the unit size to 30 models ?

>>53733569
That is my point it can move 45" The situation where the suicidal chut rule could be useful. Do not seem to be that often.

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>>53733604
>first game of 8th
>deploy tactical hobbits
>try to kill the runthurd
>fail and get charged by grotz
>T2/S2 vs T2/S2
>ork player calls it 40k bum fights
>we kek

>>53733601

He is not

By lore he hes on the same level as a Warboss (see as he got his Crab Klaw), not as Gazzy in a physical fight.

On the other hand he is on par with old G as a tactician.

>>53733601
balls. of. steel.

>>53733601
I don't know! How does half the Space Marine Arial Arsenal even fly on a level comparable to Eldar and Tau? They're freaking bricks!

The answer as in all things 40k is "Coolness Rules and we'll make up a reason. Because magic exists and Orks are magic"

>>53733639
>same number of models in range for FRFSRF
Yeah, great """"""solution"""""".

>>53733639
Removing orders seems reasonable, adding a roll without even killing the commissar seems to fit. They're random jackasses that were picked up to fight, not career soldiers.

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>>53733601
he's to old to die

>>53733630
>Fuck hero hammer.
While I agree the biggest issue is that it's going to make the strong named characters very good relative to the midling buff characters like basic meks, priests, etc. It won't stop hero hammer, it'll just stop people from being able to bring low tier, basic characters.

>>53733601
Yarrik is too mean to die
I like to think of him as Gutts from Berserk, he fights to the absolute limits of the human body and ignores debilitating wounds with nothing but gritted teeth and plot armour

Necron Lords "My Will Be Done" adds +1 to WS and BS correct?

>>53733717
>Berserk
Who is the Griffith of 40k? inb4 Griffith did nothing wrong

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>>53733528
>snipers aren't all that killy

Hi.

>>53733601
>him, a git with a Klaw
>you, a git with no Klaw
>you looking to get crumped? If you have a klaw it means you're orky, plain as dat!

>>53733293
They're under inquistion I believe, in the second index?

In 8th, which would be more effective against boyz:

A unit of 3 Crisis Suits with 3 flamers each

Or

A unit of 3 Crisis Suits with 2 flamers and an Advanced Targetting System each

>>53733739

>can't even kill his points worth of commissars over 6 turns with full los and no resistance
lmao

>all these people talking about rules changes to conscripts
They're not going to rebalance them with a new datasheet until the IG Codex and who knows how long that'll take to come out.

They'll just up their points costs. That's literally why points were put in a separate place in the back of the book.

A single point increase per model cuts down the efficiency of conscript spam by 25%.

>>53733646
You know what? I suddenly like this idea.

90% Discount snipers it is!

>>53733762
probably depends upon whether they're getting a 5++ from kff coverage.

>>53733601
The Orks believe he's a terrifying unkillable badass, ergo he is a terrifying unkillable badass. Also he's undoubtedly crammed full of cybernetics and chemical enhancements.

>>53733762
More flamers.

>>53733585
>D6 str 7 ap-2 range 12
look into your heart, you know it to be true

>>53733737
Wouldn't that be Horus or Lorgar? The ones who effectively gambled away the souls of humanity for a deluded belief in a perfect kingdom?

>>53733309
>theywill rebalance them if they seem too strong, within months.

It's really cute that you believe that.

>>53733686
>but it removes the 20 man buffer before losses actually start to matter
>>53733699
this isn't a renegades and heretics list, cadian conscripts are whiteshields, they're not gonna shoot their commissar 1 out of 6 times, same goes for some other worlds where it's not a question of motivation but of skill
nor is a commissar going to botch his execution
do you also want memeshit mob rules for orks again ?
perhaps chaos warbands shoot their friendly models on a d6 roll 1 because infighting ?

>>53733762
The fact that this is even a question makes me so happy.

A Tau player worrying about how to fight Orks.

What a time to be alive.

>>53733757
yeah but the leaked rules pdf was missing some of their pages and I was hoping someone else had them

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>>53733739
>Not posting the best model of the best sniper

>>53733737
>pretty boy
>believed in a higher destiny
>cucked by one of his friends
>shamed and had what he had built destroyed
> promised power by dark gods
>betrayed all his friends to ascend to demonhood
Obviously Lorgar

>>53733792
Not a cynic like you, huh?

>>53733792
See >>53733771

The points costs were separated for rebalance purposes.

They also stated explicitly that if anything turned out to be REALLY broken shortly after release they would hotfix it with an FAQ on the community site within weeks.

>>53733762

conscripts
failing that, gundrones

>>53733771
>conscripts now cost as much as a normal guardsmen
yeah not likely

>tfw always wanted to play Thousand Sons
>tfw start playing them for 8th
>tfw start them just as they become a meme army

I MUST OUTLAST THE MEME

ALL IS DUST

>>53733816
The gun on my metal one is a terrible fit I have to glue back on about once a month

>>53733777
More flamers is better in either case.

>>53733816
>capsized scope
>best model
>choose one

>>53733803
It's actually great to feel like whoever does what they want first in Tau Vs Orks basically wins.

>>53733141

kinda meh. something like 250p with the s10 gun. the gun can shoot twice if it doesn't move. something like 12 or 14 wounds, T8, 3+ save.

>>53733829
Yes likely, normal guardsmen come in units of 10 so they don't benefit as much from orders.

Or they'll increase the cost of regular guard to 5 points in the process.

The nerf is coming one way or another.

>>53733819

The official launch is a week away but people have been playing since before preorders went up
Does anything actually seem broken, as in, playtested not memed

>>53733771
>3 pts to 4
>25% efficiency
it's 33%

>>53733528

I've found transuranic arquebi were pretty decent in the power level pickup game I played recently but I dunno if they'll be worth their points when you actually pay for them.

>>53733453
Honestly it's going to end in point increases for comissars and conscripts and the fun is ruined for everyone. Alternatively conscripts gets assault 1 12'' (or 18'') toyguns instead of real lasguns.

>>53733834
Flamers are 8" range thou.

>>53733816
I like the new one

he's a beefcake

>>53733848
Twin multi-meltas seem oddly efficient

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>>53733854
>Power Level

>>53733848
The conscript thing is not a meme. You don't even need to spam them as your entire 2k point army, just take like 800 points worth and then fill the rest with killy shit, congrats, you are the new Eldar tier. The nerfbat is coming.

>>53733850
You're right my bad I was reading it backwards.

>>53733831
>just as they become a meme army
What's new about TS? they've always been a bit of a meme army.

JUST DO A CONSCRIPT GAME ON TABLETOP SIMULATOR ALREADY

Is it just me or are SM standard bearers in general just not worth the fucking cost? They've been nerfed so badly and they're the most expensive of the 3 command squad units.

Salty as fuck about the shit new plague marine miniatures. Hope the standard chaos marines get a new kit.

>>53733863
The question was "3 flamers or 2 flamers and ATS" not "flamers or a different weapon"

>>53733907

They're finally viable and got a cool new range of plastic models. New marine models always leads to a surge to that army.

>>53733799
>without even killing the commissar
How about you learn to fucking read before you rant? Seriously, how much projecting can you do?

>>53733919
>Shit new miniatures

Anon, you have shit taste. Why don't you like them?

>>53733831
I'm starting them for 8th too.

What are you getting?

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>>53733855
>>53733847
>>53733771
>people actually thinking conscripts need a nerf
>being so new they don't remember the overhyped meme army at the start of every new edition that turned out to be midtier/unplayable/outclassed/overshadowed by later releases
Can we have a new /tg/ that's just for newfags? Or maybe just link them to Reddit?

>>53733929
>viable
that's nice to hear. I had sorta assumed that all the small model count armies would suffer this edition.

>>53733799
>perhaps chaos warbands shoot their friendly models on a d6 roll 1 because infighting ?
>What is Kharn?

>>53733955
>Can we have a new /tg/ that's just for newfags?
It's called 1d4chan.

>>53733937

My 1k list is The 1k TSons list. ExSorc on disk, 20 rubrics and 5 scarabnators.

>>53733912
I'll be playing a 2000 pt game tomorrow bringing 150 conscripts with their standard meme support, should I report back when it's over?

>>53733739
>two days ago did 6 damage to a wounded demon primarch in a single shot with a vindy

Good times.

Everyone saying he can't kill his points worth in commissars should also remember he hits and wounds on a 2+, making him a good choice for CP rerolls, and in a game against conscript hordes that's all you're going to spend them on.

>>53733831
>ALL IS DUST
That's a meme

>>53733966

They'll get utterly buttfucked by melee hordes like everyone, but they go in dry on other marine armies, thanks to AP-2 bolters by default.

>>53733955
Previous editions didn't utterly rewrite the core rules of the entire game, you fucking idiot.

The top tier pros are already discussing this.

Previously overhyped meme armies were based on people being stupid and talking about how awesome things were without doing math.

>>53733976
Please do. Who's facing the onrushing horde?

My most common opponent plays Renegades, so I've probably got a LOT of sniping to do in my future.

>>53733894
I'm not saying it is impossible for conscripts to be OP, but that it doesn't seem to have been put to much of a test yet leaving it foggy.

>>53733955
>WAACfag afraid his army will be toned down
Yeah and riptide wing armies were totally balanced in 7e. Just bring grav and/or eldars and git gud lol!

>>53733916
Anyone? Legit disappointed that the time and effort I put into painting those stupid fucking banners has gone to waste. Codex better fix this.

As someone that's new, is there somewhere where I can read up on the 8e detachments, assuming they're different than the 7e ones. I get that they limit what I'm able to choose, but what should I be looking at when choosing one?

>>53733976
Yes of course.

Are the primaris really that bad? I play age of sigmar and I want to start a WH40K army but I can't decide. Should i get the starter box or get normal space marines?

>>53733161
Jesus Christ, how does it feel to be such a fucking idiot!? You are so wrong it's gone beyond ironic into actively detrimental to your own intelligence. Cut your fucking fingers off so you can't post anymore. Please do not have kids so we don't have to deal with any more of your defective genetics

>>53733976
Who against and when can we expect your report?

>>53733848

Solitaire is broken but he has 7E fly rant syndrome so I guess it's ok.

So centurions pretty much suck? They lost power fist and grav in nerfed. How much they cost btw?

>>53734000
When the new scatbike stats were leaked in 7th, people were saying the same thing.

"Oh we don't know they're OP yet, no one has even played them! Give Eldar a chance they're not broken, Wave Serpents got nerfed!"

Good players can tell when something is blatantly overpowered at a glance.

Too busy miniatures, little scope for converting without major damage, nonsense armour and stupid holes that don't work. Good details spoiled by repetition and crowding out.

>>53734005
The point costs are hot garbage for many units. Expect things to get better as the balance updates and/or codicies with warlord traits, relics and faction specific stratagems roll out.

>>53733867
Taldeer pls

>>53734005

Use them as sergeants or generic command bodies

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>>53733996
>he doesn't remember the famous video with 230 pink horrors all summoning that mathematically would win any game
>he doesn't know about the multiple flying circus lists that were unkillable
Sure anon, because mathhammer always translates directly to the game, it's not like we all have that one guy who yells about how his netlisted army is mathematically unbeatable before loosing to a better general with a shit list
I'm starting to think actually playing 40k isn't really your thing, you seem to be more or a talker

So, Doom Sirens for Noise Marines. Is a d3 s5 ap -2 d1 flamer really worth 22pts?

>>53734005
Stick it and an Apothecary next to some squads of Sternguards full of combi-plasmas, or some of those new Hellblasters. When you overheat you get to shoot again, then the Apothecary brings the model back.

>>53733848
As a sisters player I really like meltas. Been wrecking shit with them constantly. Anything that does D6 damage seems to do that.

Immolator transports are cheap and cover whatever their transported unit can't, but with a 12" move and twin multi-melta they can really fuck up characters, vehicles, and LOWs equal to their price or higher for cheap.

>>53733999
It'll be a guy who's played Orks since 3rd, so well finally be able to put the boyz vs conscripts argument to rest

>>53734078
Yes, Anon.

>>53733972
No rhinos? Tzaangors?

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Please asist me , asking for adivce again

I need a ruling.

>>53734077
>he doesn't remember scatbikes that everyone was doom&glooming and were 100% right.

>>53734077
...you realize psychic tzeentch flying circus literally was the top list at the end of 7th with the highest tournament performance since release, higher than Eldar? Eldar only still had more wins because of the time period they were dominating before Wrath of Magnus.

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>>53734002
>guard player
>waacfag
Yawn

>>53734042

Grav is still the best weapon type vs units that don't have shit armor. It will wreck W1 shit unlike melta and las while still doing the same amount of wounds to vehicles on average

>>53734105


see this >>53733002

>>53734105
Post the fucking question then you dumbass.

>>53734090
My list didn't change.

Instead of:
4x BSS with flamers and multi melta immolator
2x DS with meltas and hf immolator

The ratio got reduced to 2:1.

>>53734110
>he's so new he doesn't know I wasn't even referring to 7th
I remember when kids went to college to actually get smarter, now they just flaunt the stupidity of their youth

>>53733161
Of everything that has ever attempted to bring down Terra The Beast got closest of all.

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>>53734064
>implying imperial servants don't like beef
xenos swerve

>>53734131
>makes fallacious comparisons that have nothing to do with each other
>gets told that lists very similar to the ones hes strawmanning about were actually winning very recently
>HURRR I WASNT TALKING ABOUT 7TH I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT TIME THAT DOESNT MAKE ME LOOK WRONG AND STUPID
Okay, anon.

>>53733893

Oh it's garbage, but I wasn't expecting to play 8th and didn't want to spend three hours writing a list on the spot.

>>53734131
Actually it really looked like you were talking about 7th considering that was broken shit in 7th and you didn't really say otherwise. It was poor communication on your part.

>>53734101

Nah, I've always wanted a footslogging marine army.

>>53734077
>video with 230 pink horrors

Link?

>>53734159
>it takes him 3 hours to write a list with a specific set of WYSIWYG miniatures
Literally how

>>53734115
Grav is about 3x worse against tough targets as it was before.

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>>53734125
yes sir

reposting for a response

>i dont have alot of options one what to take but its 1500 points and here is the list i want to take

Prophet of the Waaagh Teleporta detatchment

Ghazy + a big mek
two squads of ork boys to try and telaport in
10 squad of boys and my big mech in a battlewagon to keep it running /defended

3 truks with 3 squads
1 of burnas and meks
1 of nobs with two pks
1 of nobs with one pk and Ghaz rolling in it

a squad of 5 deffkoptas

>plan is have the boyz squad and burna truk hunt down my oppontes troops choics

>while nobs with power claw and the big mek hunt anything with high toughness and armor

>Problem
>as far as i understand it deep strike and this detachment works like this
>(or could?)
>Role for deep strike on truk , if yes put squad in truk and they gain deep strike
>if no just role for deep strike on the squad if yes deploy just truk normaly

>Is that at all accurate.
>Should i try any kinda other stratagy
>How boned am i

>Opponents probly will include
>Spaz wolves
>Raven wing
>tyranids
>Khorne demonkin

>>53733247
Back of envelope calculation, it looks like a vindicare needs about three shots on average to kill a commissar, significantly more for a lord commissar or company commander. Those models are all significantly cheaper than assassins.

Vindicare actually seems like one of the worst sniper units. Best is probably ratlings, followed by guard command squads.

Basically, the only way to beat guard in 8th edition is with other guard.

I'm not even mad. Seems fitting that the strongest force in the 40k universe is mass hordes of ordinary men driven by brutal officers. Hopefully guard sales will go through the roof and GW will release some better models for them.

>>53734158
>>53734164
>if you were talking about 6th edition that would mean I was wrong and therefor you must be lying!
>it's your fault because I'm too stupid to know there's an addition before 7th
Some sound logic lads, I'm guessing this is what it's like to argue with someone on the extreme left or right, just pretending not to actually know what someone meant and calling anything they say that refutes you a lie

>>53734222

That's irrelevant, you compare it to the options that are available, not the options you want to be available.

>>53734239
What about SM Sniper Scouts?

>>53733093
>>53733171
Very cool. Good use of bits without cluttering the model like a Space Wolf.

>>53734243
How far can you possibly project? We know there were previous editions. You gave nothing to indicate you were talking about previous editions. You just don't know how to talk to people.

>>53733247
>>53734239
The problem with Vindicares now is that they only deal D3 wounds rather than a set number of wounds. They're affected by the stupid random damage system.

If it was set at 2 wounds or 3 wounds it'd be way, way better.

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/10/the-fate-of-konor-more-on-the-global-campaign-june10/

>Imperial players can report their scores as they try to liberate or save the worlds of Konor, while you heretical Chaos fans out there can report your victories to spread contagion and plague across the worlds.
>We haven’t forgotten you xenos players though – you guys get to have a lot of fun. The rise of Chaos, and the Imperium’s attempts to halt it have left many planets easy pickings for opportunistic aliens. Each xenos victory can be used to reduce either the Chaos or Imperial score in your local area, representing the xenos forces disrupting the war effort on both fronts.
>So, if Chaos is winning in your area, and you want to stop them you can. Or, if the Imperium pulls ahead and you want to redress the balance, you can swap sides half way through the campaign!

Right fellow xenos players, which group of players will whine like bitches more amusingly, imperium or chaos? Given the whining from chaos players over losing in guilliman's new crusade, personally I think we'll get more delicious tears by fucking over the bad guys.

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Are footslogging tankbustas an acceptable take? I don't want to pay the cost of a trukk for them. plus 2 more squigs

Also, what do y'all think of stormboyz? The loss of green tide really hurts.

>>53734115
>>53734222
Follow-up, against some targets it's even worse than that, actually.

3 grav-cannons in 7th could one-shot a land raider on average. Now it takes them around 5 turns of shooting to kill one.

>>53734231
>Prophet of the Waaagh Teleporta detatchment
What's the hell's that?

>>53734077
Conga line horrors got nerfed with a day one FAQ and they were still a Tier 1 army.

>>53734165
You giving them all flamers or something?

The 1000 pts list I plan on running has 1 ex sorc, 5 termies, 18 rubrics, 10 Tzaangors and a rhino.

I know this sort of question has been asked a lot lately, but how are Deathwatch looking for 8th Ed?

>>53734196
I know what it was, it wasn't that many but basically people were saying you could bring an army that was basically nothing but heralds and pink horrors and you could use psychic dice to summon more psykers and break even or gain dice, basically allowing you to spawn 1000pts per turn, but it doesn't work like that and you actually have to own the models, not to mention the likelihood of perils, amount of successes needed, and that those units aren't scoring

>>53734216

Hyperbole for how un-user friendly the new points system layout is.

>>53733308
Depends on your local scene. If people are going to be bringing a lot of the stuff which is generally popular (i.e. marines) and not optimising, then mek gunz, tankbustas and flash gitz in battlewagons might cope OK. Against anyone bringing a serious gunline army, totally fucked.

>>53734239
I personally think that the best one is Skitarii Arquebi - no Shoot Sharp and Scarper, but exactly as good shots with similar buff ability and far greater damage and range. They can own light (commissar, etcetera) characters almost as well as Ratlings, plus take on a whole bunch of heavier shit. If you JUST want to butcher morale support dudes then Ratlings are superior, but against any army but Conscript Spam I'd say Rangers are far more versatile for cost.

What are Ratlings, 10ppm? Then a squad of ten is equivalent to 5 Rangers with two Arquebi, and the Skits can buy Ignore Cover and ATSKNF for small costs on top of that, and have far better other stats.

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Second try

Spear Head
1x Celestine
2x Geminae
2x BSS with HF, F, Combi-flamer and Immolator with TMM
1x DS with 4xMeltas, Combi Melta and Immolator with IF
3x PE
1017 points. No idea what to remove beside one Geminae or HF.

>>53734290
imperial players are more numerous
chaos players are louder and saltier

I'm getting quite tired of all the chaos bullshit, so it's not even a question as to which side I'll be taking points away from.

>>53733018
conscripts were 3 points in 6th and 7th editions, that infograph needs to be fixed

>>53734290
As a Tyranid player I'll be giving all my wins to the Imperium. Chaos can get fucked if they think they're going to harm Ultramar after Hive Fleet Behemoth couldn't even manage that.

>>53733996
>Previously overhyped meme armies were based on people being stupid and talking about how awesome things were without doing math.

I remember when the WK came out. It was all "math says that one third of his points in poison sacs gaunt or davastators with missiles kill him, he's shit!"

>>53733504
That's actually better in 8th, where you worry more about minimum units in each role than maximum.

>>53734337
Chaos, it is the only faction that has a "safe space", they are basically american college students

>>53734290
Chaos players are at least used to being screwed over. Remember how hard loyalist SM babies cried about "B-B-BUT SHADOWSUN! B-BUT TAU CAN'T WIN AGAINST MARINES! LE HERESY! LE BLAM!"

Space Marines are the biggest babies in the 40k fandom, that's why GW has to try and satisfy them by constantly changing their nappies.

So what is the general consensus on gayest faction of 40k? It feels like it's probably Dark Angels are the gayest, but it's possible certain Sisters units are pretty gay

>>53734282
>you can't talk to people
>the ol autism card
Can we just be big boys and call this a draw before we just devolve to adhoms or my rampant autism/ptsd/genderfluidity/otherkin flairs up? Hell I'll say you won this one if you want
What army are you playing first for 8th anon?

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>>53734300
on a roll of 5+ troops gain deep strike
on a roll of 6+ anything else can gain deep strike

>>53734290
Guilliman must lose. His plot armour has to be beaten before it gets Wardian.

So take points off of the Imperials.

I like potato chips with french onion dip.

What army should I play for 8th?

>>53734321
It's not really any different from before, people are just used to the old points values and have to start learning/remembering the new ones now.

>>53734390
Where's that?

>>53734396
Conscripts, nothing but conscripts. All painted before playing.

>>53734394
Watch out, Reddit- I mean /tg/ loves Ward and Gulliman now.

>>53734399

The old points values required a lot less page flipping and math, and let you ballpark shit a lot faster because you knew the base cost of a unit instantly.

>>53733204

>3 str3 rend0 attacks hitting on 5s

Shaking in my boots desu.

>>53734382
But Shadowsun was an ordinary tau WOMAN who defeated the most sneakyest and smarter Chapter master, who had been folded ten thousand years, in Single Combat with her plasma sword1

>>53734394
The chaos edgelords are way more insufferable than the HFY imperials though. Their tears at getting BTFO yet again will sustain me for far longer.

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>>53734384
Dark angels have a confirmed in the lore gay primarch, the worst sisters have is probably some "sisterly bonding" between girls in the barracks to boost moral like Spartans

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>>53734410
Its in the Prophat of the Waaagh book , Ghazys supplament from 7th edition.

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>>53733161
Can you advance after a deep strike?

>>53734387
I wasn't trying to win anything. I wasn't even part of the conversation until you started acting like a jackass, I'm just saying that you gave no indication that you weren't talking about 7th so there was nothing stupid about thinking you. The only point I made is that you don't communicate what you're saying well. It has nothing to do with losing anything and I'm not calling you autistic, I'm just saying that you're bad at getting your point across. There's no reason to get so defensive.

>tfw been playing blob guard since 4th
>now going to be considered a WAACfagging cheesemonger

>>53734433
>triggered by women in 40k

SMfags everybody.

>>53734427
That's 1 attack per point, son, and they don't have to table you, they just have to have more models on objectives than you. Conscript spam could win if they were unarmed and had 0 attacks.

>>53734468

Hey look, it's that one dipshit who calls everyone an SMfag as soon as they talk shit about Tau.

>>53734433

No she shot him in the back with a fucking Ghostkeel fusion weapon four times the size of his body whilst he was busy killing a decoy in her suit he couldn't tell apart because Imperials are xenophobic fuckwads who can't tell one vagina-faced Xenos smurf-fish from another.

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>>53734444
>checked
Kek wills we cuck chaos fags

>>53734433
Celestine was a wounded normal woman when he stabbed Abaddon.

Bad writing is not something to take into account.

>>53734459
No.

>>53734382
Gee, this post doesn't make me more tempted to screw over chaos in the summer campaign at all.

>>53734459
No, advance happens when you move. Since you can't move after deepstrike you do not have an opportunity to declare an advance.

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>>53734464
No I got that, you communicated your words quite well
So what army are you playing in 8th anon?

>>53734002
>WAACfag afraid his army will be toned down
Guard have been strong for ONE fucking edition
now because WAACfags jumped on a conscript wagon that has existed since 6th, now they're going to fucking ruin blob guard.

>>53734495
But anon, I play Imperial Guard.

;^)

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>>53734444
CHECK'D
>>53734480
Kek is Malal, confirmed

>>53734501
They're not going to ruin it, they're going to make it balanced so you can run it and still have fun without auto-winning games and being called a WAACfag and have people refuse to play you.

Nerfs are a good thing, ask the mature Tau players.

>>53734501
To be fair guard tank company in 5th raped many an asshole, but that was the exact opposite of what they're being hyped for now

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>>53734410
Ork supplament book highlighting Ghazys waaagh

Im just trying to wrap my head around how i can use it since i have truks and a battlewagon.

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>>53734488
Okay thank you! Also, checked.
>>53734497
Thank you!

>>53734290
Chaos player tears would be far more delicious. They already get triggered by anything that doesn't say chaos is "da best!!!!!1!" So the bitch fit if they lose will sustain us for years.

Plus it will be good playback for storm of chaos being undone and the years of CSM players bragging about winning the last campaign as if that was some impressive achievement with the 3.5 dex.

I for one will be making my 1k sons fight for the imperium, because "just as planned" or some such bullshit.

>>53734045
That's just survivor bias. Basically every new unit or rework of a new units is either going to be overhyped as the new ultrabroken unit or considered trash. Once in a while that prevision is right, but for every guys right about scatbikes there are tons of Riptides situation.

>>53734381
>only faction that has a "safe space"

There's literally a week in the campaign where you get double points for using and/or painting Space Marines. They literally had to rig it so that the most popular faction in the game scores double points just for showing up.

They're so worried Imperial players will sperg out if they lose they bubble wrapped the whole thing so they win no matter what.

>he thinks Chaos needs the safe space.

>>53734572
>>53734510
>>53734480
So if someone doesn't check digits what happens?

>>53734585
But you're equally making a fallacious argument by suggesting that, because people were wrong before about a totally different thing, a group of different individuals is wrong now about this new unrelated thing.

You have to judge it on its own merits, and so far no one has put forth any evidence, either from in-game experience or from mathematical calculation, that conscripts are balanced.

Even if they're beatable that doesn't mean they're balanced, if it takes far more skill to overcome the strategy than to abuse it, or if it still tends to win more than it loses.

>>53734382
That "BLAM" meme makes me want to die.

>>53734045
Eh, the difference now is that conscript spam is easily countered by a sufficient amount of terrain.
If they can't see you they can't shoot you, and they aren't that fast even with orders. At least that's what I can say after playing against a conscript spam army yesterday, though it wasn't quite to the level of "2000 points only conscripts" that some people are talking about.

>>53734290
>Asking this on a majority IoM players website
It's time for Ultramar to lose something.

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>>53734454
>7th

>>53734621
Kek will be displeased with you and bad dices will follow in your games.

Check digits and praise kek and good rolls will come to you.

>>53734652
Read my previous post, Game shops farewell 7th trony

casual tornament and i just wnat to have fun tomorrow.

>>53734539
Ordnance Russes were only good due to Lumbering Behemoth, that they then got rid of the following edition
what a joke
>>53734535
nerf how exactly? Back in 5th edition, without Cheknov, Conscripts were completely useless, in 6th and 7th they cost 3 points and could take a commissar, making them actually useable. Now apparently they're the new hotness because we don't have a measly platoon tax anymore.
How the fuck can they nerf conscripts without making them useless for yet another edition? WS6+? LD3? 6+ save? No Orders? These are the nerfs I wouldn't mind, but moving them back to 4ppm or taking away their commissar will ensure they never get used again.

>>53734549
Don't. Stop playing 7th.

>>53734640
In my experiences so far, Imperial Guard in general are already overpowered, or at the very least marginally better than the other top tier armies, and that was without running any conscripts at all. I can't imagine how bullshit the professional tourneyfag lists are going to be once they figure out the right balance.

>>53734669
>farewell 7th trony
>not just burning the books
40k is dead, long live 40k

Is there any point in taking Celestine in a non SoB army?

>>53734681
>In my experiences so far, Imperial Guard in general are already overpowered
how so?

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>>53734582
>heh, chaos players are such idiots
>yes, I am a chaos player, so what? im different

>>53734681

You wouldn't know it from all the faggots whining about how the LR is shit and flamers suck.

>>53734672
the game stores last 7th edition game night , Im going to play 7th im sorry .... now dose anyone know how this detachment works/ how i should play it

>>53734671
>Now apparently they're the new hotness because we don't have a measly platoon tax anymore.
Have you been paying attention at all?

Blast templates are gone, you can't sweep them anymore, all of their orders got better, the new objective rules favor them, the new AP system favors them, there were like a thousand and one buffs to conscripts besides "no platoon tax".

Every single rules change from 7th to 8th was either neutral or buffed them somehow.

>>53734686
Is this what WHFB to AoS was like or has this been a much smoother transition?

I mean, on one hand fuck the Ultramarines because the guy who plays them at my LGS is an insufferable prick and also the manager's son so he's there every day and will rack up a billion points, but on the other hand beep boops are in peril and I must defend them or be rightfully expelled from the Martian Synod. I'm torn.

>>53734690
She has the Imperial Guard (>AM) keyword, so yes.

>>53734722
The 8th transition has been so much better I can't properly put it into words for you.

>>53734730
Everyone has the same keyword if you just make them all <wu tang clan>

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>tfw your store has been corrupted by the wu tang clan exploit and you're the only one in the room opposing it

The shopkeeper is having a field day.

>>53734722
40k was already a 'skirmish' game, so smoother. You weren't going to get much rougher a transition than mass ranked to skirmish.

But yeah for all intents and purposes it's AoS Advanced Edition.

>>53733627
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Necron_Dynasties

>>53734715
those also favor regular Guardsmen, the only reason people aren't losing their shit over them is you can't blob them in a 50 man platoon anymore

>>53733542
Ratlings are 7 ppm, painboys are 65. Takes 16.7 shots from a ratling to kill a painboy. Pay for themselves by the second round.

A warboss is much tougher to beat. You can get one for 68 points and he takes 54 shots to go down (assuming there is no painboy around). On the other hand, he doesn't buff the orks nearly as much as any of the guard characters buff their conscripts.

Mad Dok Grotsnik however is just as tough as a warboss (2/3 the wounds, but 1/3 chance to ignore each wound) and gives the painboy's buff. Not bad at all for 74 points.

>>53734686
jokes on you i never bought a single 7th edition book besides my rules pamplet

>>53734722
i think it will be similar to the AoS transition but i think 8th will take hold firmly once everyone is well acustom to it

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does anyone know perchance the actual launch date of 8th edition??

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>>53734755
If people are unironically taking advantage of that then What a shit community you have dude

>>53734729
Sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet and do your part for the Emperor and your brothers and sisters in arms, anon.

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>>53734382
>implying chaos kiddies aren't even more obnoxious
"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, BEZERKER SPAM IS GOING TO DESTROY EVEYONE"
"Look how gay I am because I serve slaneesh. Hey everyone TRAPS ARENT GAY, HERES SOME PORN, I'M A TRANNY CARE ABOUT ME SHITLORD, HOW DARE YOU NOT LIKE ME POSTING ABOUT MY TOTALLY REAL THREESOME ME AND MY GIRLFRIEND HAD LAST NIGHT. GET IT, I'M DEGENERATE AND PROUD, FULGRIM WILL TOTES KILL BOBBY G, PAY ATTENTION TO ME DAMN IT"
"What, you think that your army matters? Well I'm a certain fag whose name starts and ends with C and I'm here to tell you that tyranids are a joke, all the black crusades were successful and abbadon is the greatest thing evar because BL is the only canon, but if you call me out on my twisted logic I'll drown the thread in autisic rage"
"I play iron warriors and I'm bitter. Bitter bitter bitter bitter. Fuck you dorn"
"DUDE EVERYONE IS ALPHARIUS LMAO"
"Night lords theme, if you like metal your a fag"
"Curze sempai is sooooo great. Get it, I'm crazy and edgy."
"Magnus did nothing wrong"
"Just as planned XDXDXDXDXD"
"REEEEEE WHY DONT WE HAVE THIS LOYALIST THING, WERE SUPPOSED TO BE LOYALTIST BUT BETTER. WHAT WE HAVE IT NOW, HAHAHAHAHA FUCK YOU LOYALISTS"

At least be self aware you faggot.

>>53734710
Just play a more normal detachment.

>>53734619
>Eye of Terror is the Chaos "Safe Space"

Chaos players are already triggering!

>>53734771
It won't be nearly as bad as the AoS transition. There is no world in which I foresee /tg/ needed separate 7th and 8th edition 40k generals like we get with WHFB and AoS now.

>>53734634
Read the reply chain you faggot. One guy said that conscript spam hasn't really been tested, and even if they still culd be op it's all just theory at this point. To which one faggot replied that "good players" can tell these things by glace, offering as proof the reaction to scatbikes.

My counter was that self proclamed "good players" on imageboards get ten wrongs for every right. So the first point still stand. All of this is just theory for now. It could be right, but until someone actually put them on the table it's just pointless screaming because the sky is falling.

Also even if they are OP buying and painting 500 conscript is very different from doing it with 3 Riptide of 20 Bikes. The majority of players will never see them on the table.

>>53734729

Are you still whining about that shit goddamn

>>53734786
This next Saturday
Now go back to lurking

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>>53734787

I just wish that fucking tripfag that discovered it would die in a fire

>>53734694
No, I'm just as guilty of it as the rest. I'm not deluded, I'm just a different kind of annoying.
The type that purposefully pisses off the other ones because it amuses me, even if it upsets most other people.

>>53734789
At least there's some diversity to the autistic Chaos sperging rather than LE HERESY LE HERESY LE BLAM LE BLAM XDDDD LE HERESY DAT SMELLS LIEK HERESY U SAYIN DAT LIEK ITS HERESY XDDD 4 DE EMPRAH LE PURGE LE PURGE

>>53734789

Remember when CSMfags said "all we want is 3.5 legion rules back and we'd stop whining"?

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>>53734789
you ok there anon?

>>53734801
No one will keep playing 7th.

They will either play 8th or go with a better older edition. 7th is a wet shit.

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>>53734789
>a good percent of that post was shitting on trannies out of nowhere
Something you wanna talk about anon?
We're all girls (men) here

>>53734832

Carol should just be a second devil.

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>>53734787
Sauce on that image?

>>53734830
That's my point, more or less, 7th edition is so bad that the 8th edition transition will be much easier than the WHFB to AoS transition, because no one is going to be nostalgic over what we're losing here.

>>53734841

Kakegurui, it's basically Akagi but with a yamato nadeshiko that looks like Stocking instead of Akagi.

>>53734789
I am Alpharius

>>53734691
Being able to retreat from combat, the new orders are better and can never fail, they're a lot harder to kill across the board, aura-based buffs mean their characters can affect a lot of different units at once with good positioning, many of their heavy weapons improved (jesus fucking christ missile launchers man), they're the best at taking advantage of the new Force Org chart and stacking command points, it's just craziness. I don't think our local guard player has even once lost a game so far, he either crushes his opponent, wins out barely, or they come to a draw because the game doesn't finish before people have to pack up and leave.

>>53734819
First of all, please point to the vast swathes of imperials who are spamming "Le heresey XD" memes.
Because I can point you to the hundreds of posts chaos spam from this past month alone.
Secondly, the same dead meme being spammed is actually better than a variety, because
A) it's easier to filter
B) people get used to it more quickly and eventually learn to ignore it, while chaos spam can easily consume entire threads

>>53734814
wow I wish I was as bitingly funny as you

>>53734832
>>53734837
What's that from? One of those harem manga's?

>>53734800
>fight one another constantly for resources and recruits, as well as daemons from rival gods

>le safe space
>le so triggered

Just need a 'tau are totally sjws dude' in there to complete it.

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>>53734789
You seem upset, Anon.

>>53734860
>when your army goes from bottom tier to top tier
I'm not looking forward to the incoming WAACniggers

>>53733736
It is better than that; it adds +1 to hit so a 5 becomes a 6 meaning and confirmed Tesla Popping on a 5+.

>>53734841
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure part 6: Stone Ocean

>>53734832
I have no strong feelings one way or another, it's just a fact about what slannesh spam contains and how it triggers /pol/tards.
I just hit the hide post button, but I still recognize that those posts exist and derail threads.

>>53734874
Refugees welcome :)

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>>53734866

Tomo-chan wa Onna no ko!

Daily webcomic about manly karate tomboy whose best friend is in denial about her femininity.

>>53734889
not in my country

>>53734878
Don't forget about the command barge making a bubble of this, so you have destroyers hitting on 2s rerolling ones then rerolling 1s to wound if they are near daddy D

>>53734755
Wait like two more weeks and laugh at them when the FAQ comes out

>>53734904
>WTF GW I JUST BOUGHT FIVE CELESTINE TRIUMVIRATES I QUIT FOREVER REEEEEEEEEEE
>*burns models*
>*shitposts furiously in every GW thread on /tg/ about how GW is a shit company

>>53734884
>tfw you thought you cleansed your meme folder of ifunny watermarks
What's the fastest and most painless way to kill myself?

>>53734789
>Magnus did nothing wrong
This is true though

rest is cancer though agreed

>>53734918
>when cruddace flat out said go ahead and buy 5 triumverates, and that this 'totally won't' get FAQd day 1
kek'd hard

>>53734468
>Implying women aren't unironically shit soldiers

I remember there being some fluff about the golden throne failing and the cult mechanicus steiking a deal with the dark eldar for something. Was it ever revealed what that was and if anything cam about from it?

>>53734755

>wu tang clan exploit
What is this?

>>53734942
don't ask

>>53734928
>This is true though
Doesn't paticularly matter, it still derails threads
>rest is cancer though agreed
Eh, I'm not judging those posts as cancer, I'm just pointing out that to say that imperials are meme spammers and chaos isn't is the definition of pot calling the kettle black.

>>53734789
Wow I never realized until someone put it together like this how much the shitposting in these generals is almost all stemming from chaos.

That is legitimately like 10 different high-key shitposters we have had over the past few months.

Chaos confirmed for worst fanbase, I'll be fighting for the four-armed Emperor during the campaign.

>>53734942
We'll let me tell you, it ain't nuttin to fuck wid

>>53734938
There's a BL book about that event, I forget it's name though

>>53734960

The dipshits in 30k actually like Curzefag and actively encourage him and welcome him back.

>>53734903
Command barge just has a longer range, it's not an aura.

>>53733453
Limit the unit size to something sane, like 20 models. A lot of the bullshit they get is because the benefit applies per unit. Losing 2% of your squad to commissars each turn is nothing. Losing 5% is still something significant. This also means you aren't much better off issuing orders to conscripts than normal squads.

Then look at the points cost again. Compare them to similar units, like gretchin. Realise that they are probably worth 4 ppm. Look at normal guardsmen, compare them to similar units like chaos cultists and realise they are probably worth 5 ppm (also heavy weapon teams are worth more than single guardsmen and mortars are pretty much as good as heavy bolters).

I think with those changes, guard will be basically OK. They are also simple enough that they can be fixed with an errata.

I think the chances of GW actually doing that rather than completely fucking it up are maybe 30%.

>>53734979
>Curzefag
story?

>>53734942
It's retarded as fuck waacfaggotry.

Say you name your Hive Fleet <Wu Tang Clan> and then you name your Space Marine chapter <Wu Tang Clan>, you can then apply all buffs from SM to the nids as if they were the Space Marine chapter Wu Tang Clan.

>>53734789
poor Mortarion, not even getting his own shitpost

>>53734960
>Wow I never realized until someone put it together like this how much the shitposting in these generals is almost all stemming from chaos.
This, chaos are the leaves of /40kg/

>not fighting back against the <Wu-Tang Clan> faglords by making your own illegal <N.W.A.> lists

Do y'all niggas even know how to front?

>>53734995
Don't forget you can add them all to the same force org

Is this correct? Planning on starting Death Guard and practiced statting up the contents of the box.

Also Typhus is cheaper and literally better in every single way than the Lord of Contagion.

What gives?

>>53734806
thanks anon

>>53734995
This is unmatched play correct

so it doesnt matter

Whatever. Even if it does for now, let them enjoy playing a game around a to-be hotfixed rule or wording while you get good playing the actual game. Anyone who spends their time doing that is a dumb faggot. Like fielding an army of Celestines.

>>53735021

The LoContagion is overpriced, plus Typhus is locked into his wargear and probably warlord trait once codex comes out while LoContagion can be customized.