How do you Judge a character if they are either good or evil?

>>53723149
If they are my allies or not

Actions. Evil people rarely consider themselves to be evil.

>>53723289
intention is needed, but its the overview of actions that matter

>>53723318
Intent is needed only the sense that their actions are purposeful (not accidents or unforeseen consequences).

Silly anon. Good and evil are not real.

>>53723569
Good and evil are labels that we give to concepts.

>>53723149
Does it matter? Of course, it does, such titles allow you to break the world into light and dark, categorize it. Perhaps they are neither, and they hold both as what they are, pieces of a whole.

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>>53723149
Those who seek to improve the lives of all are good. Those who wish to stop them are evil intention and action be damned.

>>53723658
>>53723917
Kreia please leave

>>53723149
yes

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>>53723149
The end justified the means.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_society

"Guilt is a feeling that arises when we violate the absolute standards of morality within us, when we violate our conscience"

If you are biologically driven to feel guilty for wrongdoings then you are Good. If it requires the fear of reprisal then you are Evil.

Good people are biologically empathetic. Evil people enjoy subjugating others.

>>53726146
What is a person called when he does evil acts feel remorse and guilt but keeps on doing them?

>>53723149
>By their intent on what they are going to do
Yes.

>by their actions in which they employ
Also yes.

Insofar as you can "judge" an individual to be good or evil, you have to take both their motivations and methodology into account. How their actions contribute to the reality of a situation has a tendency to be a bit weightier than the ideal which inspires them to act, but you can't properly assess one without having a measure of the other.

>>53726799
Emotionally dishonest.

>>53727131
Emotionally mature

>>53723149
Yes.

>>53726799
Good people don't repeatedly commit evil acts. If they where somehow forced to by a third party they would be a victim of that evil third party.

>>53726799
Asshole

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>>53724343
>>53723149
Youkai sympathizers leave!

>>53723149
Both, morality is complicated.

>>53726146
>Good people are biologically empathetic.

Not categorically true. Someone can be good due to high conscientiousness, even if they lack empathy for others. Someone can be evil due to high levels of empathy, such as in the case of pathological altruism.

>Evil people enjoy subjugating others.

Not categorically true. Good people can gain satisfaction from subjugating others, and evil people can be submissive.

>>53730361
Please go on

>>53727301
I mean its possible

>>53726799
Cognitive Dissonance. Two bits of their mind telling them polar opposites; one says "Wow I feel bad for robbing that person" and the other bit goes "lets do it again", despite the obvious clash.

>>53731096
Not that guy, but here's some examples I like.

>Someone can be good due to high conscientiousness
The "by the books" cop who doesn't really care about others.

>Someone can be evil due to high levels of empathy
The benevolent dictator, someone who takes away control of others to protect them.

>Good people can gain satisfaction from subjugating others
Actual benevolent dictator. Or "The Good King" trope. Knows and understands people need order to be able to survive.

>evil people can be submissive
The henchmen sterotype. Good minions are so hard to find these days...

I feel like most well written characters are often ones that fit these tropes. I much more prefer the well meaning villain than a mustache twirling saturday morning villain, and I much more prefer the hero who is in no way altruistic. As said in this thread before, evil people rarely know they are evil, and good people are rarely good for its own merits.

>>53730175
Racistb leave

>>53723149
A mixture of my culture, my upbringing, and my side of the conflict.

The good-evil axis was a mistake.

>>53723149
I cast detect evil.

>>53730361
>Not categorically true. Someone can be good due to high conscientiousness, even if they lack empathy for others. Someone can be evil due to high levels of empathy, such as in the case of pathological altruism.

Wrong. If you lack empathy you are not good. Pathological altruism does not make the person evil.

>Not categorically true. Good people can gain satisfaction from subjugating others, and evil people can be submissive.

Voluntary submission is not subjugation. Subjugation is always forceful. Enjoying subjugation is evil.

>>53723149
How many times must we tell you that the alignment system is literally representative of forces in the universe and a passive control over frequent inescapable behavioral quirks?

There's a fucking Reason that you never seem to find people who make complete sense, then have this bizzaro thing going on attached to the common sense that makes their first point if ever, so slightly off.

>>53734888
Well, empathy doesn't make you good either, being source of Schadenfreude and main contributor of just-world fallacy.

>>53734888
Enjoying subjugation isn't evil, subjugation is

>>53723149
I believe intent determines, whether they evil.
The action are what determines, whether they should be punished.

>>53733373
>T. Dark Lord

>>53736639
Schadenfreude happens in the context of seeing "bad people" suffer. They've done MRI studies that prove this.
The Just-World Hypothesis isn't a fallacy.

>>53736804
Enjoying subjugation is evil. Enjoying controlling someone without their consent or against their will is evil. It isn't the ends or the means; it's the intent.

>>53738128
Free will is an illusion.

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>>53738249
"I have known many gods. He who denies them is as blind as he who trusts them too deeply. I seek not beyond death. It may be the blackness averred by the Nemedian skeptics, or Crom's realm of ice and cloud, or the snowy plains and vaulted halls of the Nordheimer's Valhalla. I know not, nor do I care. Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content. Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content."

>>53724343
>Futhermore you all understand the same type of pain.

>Are you saying that it's okay for humans to be able to live in happiness?

What did she mean by this?

>>53726146
This is the most bullshit thing I've ever seen

>>53740944
t. Sociopath

>>53723149
Players can decide their own alignment. So far nobody has abused this.

NPCs just have an alignment and rarely change.

>>53741174
Moral Myopia

>>53723149
If they succeeded

>>53723149
How do you deal with Characters who are too alien to be given an alignment?

>>53723149
No such thing as good or evil. Everything is preordained.