Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

@53720825
I never claimed to be the delivering force you needed.

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>still 4 shots
>lost re-rolls
>outperformed by battlecannon against nearly all targets
at least it will deal 2 damage per shot right?

Reposting from the other thread:

I've got 1000 points of guard infantry (vets with lots of special weapons + scions) including a valkyrie and a sentinel.

I also have a bunch of Grey Knight terminators, around 20 power armoured dudes, a landraider, and a couple dreads.

What should I take from the Grey Knight list to make up the guard army to 1500points (or whatever is common) ?

>be me
>play emperor's children
>love the new noise marines, they're awesome
>go to store
>play a game against chad
>he sets up his Primaris Marines™
>god i wish my models were as tall as his
>we begin the game
>he deep strikes his Primaris Inceptors™ into my noise marine squad, killing 2 of them on the charge with a well used Command Point™ reroll, killing the rest of them in a single combat phase
>well that's ok i guess, i have a few more squads lef-
>his Primaris Hellblasters™ rip my chaos lord to shreds
>finally my sonic weapons are in range
>aim and fire
>all my rolls missed
>my marines are too short to have any effect on the superior aryan Primaris Marines™
>watch helplessly as that squad is ripped apart by Primaris Intercessor™ Bolt Rifle™ fire
>as he slowly tables me, he looks me in the eyes
>"sucks to be a noiselet, eh buddy?"
>i can hear the sounds of his laughter closing in on me
>run home as they chase me out of the store chanting “NOISELET NOISELET NOISELET”
>they trash my forgeworld sonic dreadnought with a hammer but i managed to escape with the rest of my army
>burn all my models but the metal parts won’t set on fire
>vow to never play 40k again

Are these @ posts reportable?
It seems like trolling to me.

5 for horde armys fall down

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>>53720847
Are you going to post this unfunny copypasta every thread?

You're getting as bad as Cheetahfag, and I'm not even a chaos player, it's just not funny and it's too forced.

>>53720853
Half the things on this site are reportable, but good luck getting anyone to take action.

>tfw like Iron Warriors method of warfare the most but don't want to be the edgiest CSM faction

@53720853
>not giving someone a (you) is getting them into an argument they can't win

that one is on you

53720853
Hello r3dd1t. Perhaps you're fragile sensibility needs to be deported back to your s@fe-sp@ce?

>>53720864
Trying to make it an iconic meme, like
>melee race
>i2

>>53720892
It's too long to do that.

>>53720843
That's a Leman Russ Annihilator anon.

>>53720869

reposting cuz i can't do math properly

2000pts - Draigo's Dirty Thirty Three

-Kaldor Draigo, 240

-Paladins (5), 265
+4 Nemesis Force Falchions, 0
+1 Daemon Hammer, 13
+5 Storm Bolters, 10

-Paladins (5), 265
+4 Nemesis Force Falchions, 0
+1 Daemon Hammer, 13
+5 Storm Bolters, 10

-Paladins (5), 265
+4 Nemesis Force Falchions, 0
+1 Daemon Hammer, 13
+5 Storm Bolters, 10

-Interceptors (5), 115
+5 Nemesis Force Falchions, 0
+5 Storm Bolters, 10

-Interceptors (10), 230
+10 Nemesis Force Falchions, 10
+10 Storm Bolters, 20

-Venerable Dreadnaught, 90
+Twin Lascannon, 50
+Twin Autocannon, 33

-Venerable Dreadnaught, 90
+Twin Lascannon, 50
+Twin Autocannon, 33

-Venerable Dreadnaught, 90
+Twin Lascannon, 50
+Twin Autocannon, 33

Total: 1999

>>53720909
oh jeez, how did i miss that?
i keep forgetting that there are other double barreled tanks in the motor pool

>>53720868
>banging head on wall caveman attrition warfare
>can get outsmarted by a bigger wall
cool

>>53720843
That tank you posted will rape face. Try harder.

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Has anyone asked on the 40k facebook if Kairos not having ephemeral form is a mistake or if they just fucked him over for no reason?

>>53720843
But no configuration can have a twin lascanon anon

>>53720929
A bigger wall means a bigger gun screened by a bigger meathorde you big fat gay.

>>53720932
I think it is inetional!
They have been play testing for years now!
Best edition ever!

Also you can run multiple Celestine!
New Games-Workshop is the best!

>>53720932
He got treated better than Asdrubael Vect. The most powerful dark eldar character to ever not appear in a core rulebook book.

>>53720847
this triggers the noiselet

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VASTADT STRONK

BEST IMPERIAL GUARD REGIMENT

7th edition-Broken lists require you buy and paint few giant models and a handful of smaller models.

8th edition-Broken lists require you buy and paint hundreds of infantry.

Even by this metric 8th is superior. Your local WAACfag will paint 3 riptides and a stormsurge, but is he going to paint 200 guardsmen?

>>53720950
Errors in the pdf they send to printers doesn't really indicate a lack of playtesting. The playtesters probably never even touched the finalized books with all the assets.

>>53720778
>How could the deathstrike have been made actually good instead of totally worthless?
2d6 mortal wounds to the target. S5 hit to every surviving unit in the model (to a maximum of 24 hits). S3 hit to every unit in every model within 6" (to a maximum of 12 hits per unit).

As a bonus, shits on conga lines that don't make sense anyway.

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>>53720879

>Edgiest
>Iron Warriors

Anon, that's not how you spell Night Lords

tfw I play night lords

>>53720964
>>53720949
Oop, quoted the wrong post.

>>53720972
How many daemonculaba have the Neet Lords made?

i will get about 15 scions
should i go with a large squad and a small squad, or 3 small squads?

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Goofed and posted in ded thred.

I have space marines but not ultramarines, and I want somebody to hang out with roboute when I field him in large games. Trying to decide between some new primaris friends, some comfy ultramarine honor guard friends, or some banana flavored custodes friends.

>>53720998
all gay

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Are Grey Knights good now? Can I play them without the Dreadknight?

>>53720961
7th editions broken list confirmed over tones of games. Almost all involved movement control to abuse terrain and LoS.

8th edition broken lists largely untested, the power is based off pure mathhammer on low mobility units, and ignores LoS.

>>53720984

None because that would imply the NL ever accomplished anything. They're too busy failing at everything.

>>53720998
i think the honor guard would be the best but to have a good amount of them you have to take like 3-5 units since you can only buy them in twos

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I gotz one of them filly-soft-kill questions. Wot's da burniest color, if redz is fast and yellow is flash?

>>53721009
easily

>>53721013
>their primarch got fucking killed by a fucking callidus assassin
>a shitty nameless imperial assassin wiped the floor with a fucking primarch

>>53721009
no

yes

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>>53721009
>Are Grey Knights good now?
They opened the Terminus Decree, it said Kill yourself.

What are the nid units worth taking?

Which aren't?

>>53721032
iz orange ya snaggin git its the burnin is the flashiest AND da fastest

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New Bread

Rate my list. I'm going up to the FLGS tomorrow to see how well the old raptors do in 8th edition. If they don't do all that well, I'll probably just keep up with collecting Steel Confessors.

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When was the last time IG got something new from Forgeworld? Excluding Solar Auxilia
It feels like forever since we got a cool new vehicle to play with.

>>53721042
>Martin Sheen
>nameless

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>>53720847
really bad bait that ur trying to make a meme, or u have 0 idea how to play the game.
either way ur a faggot

>>53721009
>tfw thinking about getting into 40k, Grey Knights look great and seem like they would be fun to play, but people don't know if they would play well or not.
I've seen a lot of people saying that they will be great because of their power weapons in melee and Rapid Fire 2 storm bolters, but the AP changes and all the multi damage weapons make other people say that they will be shit.
I guess I can just wait and see. I don't mind if they're not top tier, but I'd like to win some games at least.

>>53721045
Whatever models you think are cool.

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>>53720811
REMOVE XENOS
CREED STRONK

>>53721020
Oh, that's okay. They're not there to actually be useful. They're just there to look cool and be flavorful. It's not like Guilliman needs an honor guard, just that fluff wise I can't imagine anyone letting him run around without some hangers on to keep an eye on him.

Think the sniper page should be good to go. A lot of the Vindicare's kit is wasted on hunting commissars, but he's not awful at it. Do Orks and Nids have no real snipers?

>>53721084
It doesnt work like that when you're going to be playing against GT winners

>>53721085
Creed is a pokémon now.

>>53721091
then i would totaly do some honor guard they are still really good they are just weird to include in a list

>>53721103
If you're in the same league as GT winners you shouldn't need /tg/ to tell you what's good or not.

>>53721109
what a genius

>>53721103
Are you playing for money or global ranking?

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>>53721047
>power level

>>53720843
So much for making all the units usable.

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>>53720811
So niggas, I got about 200$ bucks and a storewide 20% to blow on plastic crack; so with cash in hand, I want to decide on either expanding my existing army's for 8th, or start up a new army! Specifically, i'm looking for neat, or interesting ideas, fluff wise!

Right now, I have:
Admech
Inquisition
Space Marines

So lemme see what you got /tg/!

>>53721049
Maybe you will get some leftovers from 30k in the future.

>>53721044
I think they got buffed by virtue of everyone else getting pricier for their elite units. Just spam inquisition alcolytes for cheap bodies

How many Titan legions would you expect to find per sector?

>>53721119
Cool. Yeah, it'd be neat to have something actually get the XIII legion buffs from him anyways. I kinda want to paint custodes the most but I think fluff-wise Guilliman likes to keep his trustiest mates from macragge nearby over anyone else.

He actually didn't seem to get along well with the custodes from what little I had read.

>>53721162
Inquisition only has trunk monkies, inquisitors and acolytes now, as well as access to every imperial transport in the game.

>them feels when inquisitors get drop pods before grey Knights do

>>53721042

To be fair, he was insane and literally let her do it to prove a point. Then the bitch got shit on by Talos.

Do you still get +1 attack for charging?

>>53721232
no you go first

>>53721244
How about for two one-handed weapons?

>>53721212
Of course, with how factions work, your inquisitor can recruit literally anything else associated with the Imperium to help do his or her dirty work.

>>53720984
>makes a fortress by torturing people and pouring black cement over the bodies so the night haunter could be surrounded by constant pain.
>one HALF BREED iw rips off the flesh cultists from dune
one of these things isn't all that edgy

>>53721232>>53721256

No.
But you can shoot your pistol while in combat so hey, it's something.

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>>53721212
Well shit; there goes that whole 2 Squads of Stormtroopers I had and those Inquisitorial vehicles. I used to have my Skitarii Hitch rides with those things after kicking the Storm troopers out for objective holding. Bummer.

Guess that knocks one army off the list though.

>>53721256
Unless it specifically says so like Lightning Claws, no. You divide your attacks between your weapons as see fit. IE if you have a claw+fist and 3 attacks, you could do 3 claws, 2 claws and a fist, ect

>>53721256
Previously rule-less close combat weapons like chainswords and choppas have +1 attack attached to them, though you give that up if you replace them with anything else.

>>53721227
Because he's an autistic NEET edgelord

Okay
-xv86 coldstar battlesuit commander
+advanced targeting system, shield generator
-Triggertide
+2 shielded missile drones, 2 smart missile systems, heavy burst cannon, target lock, and advanced targeting system
-10 man pathfinder team
-12 man fire warrior strike team
-12 man fire warrior strike team
-6 drone snipers
That should be 986 points if I'm doing the math right.
Sound competitive enough?

>Primaris only Dark Angel army
how fuck am i

>>53721291
Just spam fire warriors kroot and rail pathfinders. Your obligatory tax HQ choices will buff them.

>>53721232
no fuck you happiness

>>53721298
I don't see why DAngels over any other army like vanilla marines or even BAngels with their buffs. You play DAngels for Deathwing and Ravenwing.

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GTFO Grognards

40k is now a power level game

Points only still exist so people can take pictures of your asscracks at tournaments

>b-b-but muh balance
Yea this is what people say who can't strategically list build

>>53721315
I'll escalate to that.

>>53721330
>build a balanced list whithout a balancing factor
Age of Smeg everybody.

>>53721284

Not arguing the fact. Even as a NL player, I am well aware at how shitty he and the rest of the legion are. At least he beat the shit out of Bobby-G, but that's about it.

>>53721328
>robes on power armor
>legion strength
>dispassionate pricks
>robes on power armor

>>53721162
Get more admech. Best faction. Or if ur a faggot and want fluff get some chaos and fantasy orges and talos engine bits for dark mechanicum

>>53721291
>taking a riptide
confirmed trash
>taking shielded missile drones
somehow got worse
>coldstar with no target lock
what?
>not running msu in battleshock edition
do you want to lose?
>Sniper drones with no firesight marksman/drone controller
why bother?
>Sound competitive enough?
No

Anyone here play Death Korps of Krieg? They look really cool but I don't want to sell my liver to forgeworld...

>>53721355
tru fampai, dem robes are lit

>>53721363
wait for 8th to see if they're worth playing, though with how vanilla IG looks, guard is in a pretty top spot for 8th, I for one cannot wait for elysians to drop so I drop 9 flyers in 2000 points again

>>53721333
Keep in mind riptides are the new vespids

Are there still restrictions on charging after shooting rapid fire/heavy weapons?

>>53721360
>target lock
>all its weapons are assault
>if pathfinders land 5 hits then not only is the penalty negated it also rerolls misses
What's MSU?

>>53721369
Really though, am I at a huge disadvantage playing them? I mean I don't see why Primaris marines WONT get termies in the future. I think they even already confirmed it.

>>53721407
Multiple Small Units.
It's about Target Saturation and not having to deal with the additional losses to battleshock.

>>53721212
They can also be allied with every unit in the imperium, never has there been a better time to play the Inquisition

So I'm at a dilemma.

I have enough bikes for 3 full squads and I'm debating if I should paint them different to differentiate squads, or stick with them all being red.

>>53721274
Just grav chute the stormtroopers in you mong.

>>53721433
Ork bikes, that is

>>53721411
Do you care about the fluff or winning? You're not going to be top tier but Primaris Marines are going to have long term support so you'll be getting new rules and models for a while yet.
Do what you want Anon, it's your army.

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>>53721343
assigning a definite value to the strategic value of an asset for all situations is unrealistic
>try again grognard

>>53721411
You aren't but there's not really much of a reason for you to go with DAngels specifically. Also Deathwing traditionally have ony ever used Indomitus Terminator armor worn by Inner Circle members, not even Tartaros or Cataphractii armor, so I doubt they'll end up being allowed to take Primaris Terminators.

>>53721418
Ah, so would 8 man teams be better?
I admit the sniper drones are mostly just extra riptide wounds.

So I got bored and made this

Fuck filesize is too big, here's the Imgur for it.

http://imgur.com/CX6iPXp

>>53721357
Dark Mechanicus sounds cool on paper, but I'm just not sure how well it would actually work as a army. I can't easily ally to chaos, and I dont really have enough flexibility to play it solo.

As for Admech, here's what I have:
2 Dominus
2 Onager
30 Vanguard
5 Infilitrators
1 Dragoon
3 Kataphron Destroyers

Any idea on what to get, aside from the obvious Kastellans?


Also, I am kind of interested in starting a Dark Eldar army. But I am a but cautious on starting a whole new army so soon.

>>53721447
Fluff. Going to be playing while knocking back beers and listening to records with my two best friends. One will be DG the other Tyranids. I do hope I can do some Deathwing one day. Always been a fan.

>>53721411
Without chapter tactics or using their unique characters/models all space marines play exactly the same. A primaris DarkAngel army and a primaris Ultramarine army play the same until you start adding deathwing/ravenwing.

As for how good it is, I believe people have been saying that Primaris are meh.

Greyfax is hot

>>53721407
Apologies on the target lock, though missile pods were heavy 2
As for MSU = Multiple Small Units, as in run 2 x 5 man pathfinder squads to spread them out and lose less to assault and battleshock
Same for the fire warriors.
Here's a change your list could use.
Run 3 5 man fire warrior squads, a cadre fireblade as an extra hq and a firesight marksman for the sniper drones and run it in a battalion detachment for 6 command points rather than the 3 you currently have
If you don't own a cadre fireblade just run your fire warrior with no helmet as one or give him a fancier paint job in accordance with his sept colours
Your next purchases should be something to replace your riptide as the riptide is currently trash

>>53721460
fucking kek

>>53721451
So points are unrealistic but the I'll defined power levels aren't?
There is merit to only taking an extra man instead of the full 3 you know.

>>53721393
nope

>>53721419
Too bad the inquisition lost most its models and alcolytes lost most their options

>>53721433
You want unifying colours for your whole army, maybe paint them all red and then put colours on the base to differentiate them, like a yellow strip.
Or better, paint them red and then add identifying marks on flatter areas. Like a different tag or colour on a particular piece.
It's your decision, you might run them as a big mob eventually and if they're all different colours it's going to clash.

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>>53721436
Are Grav shoots still connected to Valkyries? Or are they just a new deep strike rule?
>>53721261
Really? Because that might make my Inquisitor a more common sight in my other armies. Seeing as how few Psykers I have.

>>53721465
Then go for it man, lead your Big Marinea to glory.

>>53721459
>using riptide

Lol, and you think you can be competitive.

>>53721452
Well, shit.
>>53721468
Guess I might just put off going with a chapter 100% until I start seeing chapter tactics. When do those typically come out after a new edition starts?

With everyone talking about AM list should I hold off until their codex nerf, then pick up cheap on ebay when conscript fags abandon them?

>>53721346
>At least he beat the shit out of Bobby-G
Just like Angron, Fulgrim, Magnus and Skarbrand. Not really a big feat, he's probably the weakest Primarch after Lorgar.

>>53721473

shut up and post hot greyfax on celestine action.

>>53721477
I just really wanted a closer guarantee of getting the +1 to hit, but I guess I don't have to keep moving my commander 40" all the time and rerolling all its misses will have to suffice.
Will look out for the fireblade and that marksman.

>>53721360
Heavy burst cannon with advanced targeting and nova can wipe entire units of tacticals.

>>53721552
For only how many points on a model that is barely tougher than a chimera?

>>53721473
She looks like a man.

>>53721552
But can it deal with the conscript meme?

>>53721550
It doesn't matter who shoots the marker lights, the effects stack
There fire 2 x 5 pathfinders have same chance at getting marker light level 5 as 1 x 10

4th MEGA still broken

>>53721505
>Are Grav shoots still connected to Valkyries? Or are they just a new deep strike rule?

Yes, you can move the valk 20'' and disembark from it.

>>53721570
374?

>>53721573
It'll deal 10 wounds a turn on average

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>>53721487
By assigning a blanket value to the unit in groups, and allowing access to any equipment, it means that the unit value is much more closely related to the players strategic acumen and battlefield knowledge.

>>53721596
I'm pretty sure the album that the image you posted comes from is the epitome of how fucking cringeworthy and unfunny reddit is.

>>53721596
>piling shit on
>strategic acumen
Even orks have more finesse than that.

>>53721120
I've been around the game for around 18 years but I never rolled dice once. Been converting/painting for a majority of it.
With 8th dropping and nids not being the worst army next to Orks they're my favorite aesthetically so I plan on playing them.
>>53721132
Bragging rights if I win a game I guess but a being a multi GT winner doesn't account as much in 8th as it did 5th 6th and 7th.

I just so happen to have an LGS that has an ultra competitive scene and I don't want to waste their time by asking.

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starting at just 1000 to get used to the new rules, gonna build from here

Celestine with her friends
Greyfax
10 Seraphim with meltas and a plasma pistol
10 sisters with flamer, melta, plasma pistol
10 sisters with flamer, melta, plasma pistol
30 Conscripts
Rhino with storm bolter and missile
Rhino with storm bolter and missile

total: 994 Command points: 6

>>53721493
I thought about squad markings, but that doesn't feel Orky. That and warbikes don't have a whole lot of flat areas.

Really it's only 2 squads I have to differentiate. 12 of my warbikes are converted from deffkoptas, so they look different from the normal warbike kit.

>>53721009
I'm wondering this too

>>53721343
If you see a guy bringing a shitton of wargear, he's a shithead and you shouldn't play with him. People playing versus AdMech had this non-problem in 7th: you can identify the War Convo shitters a mile away.

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>>53720998
You know what to do.

Is there a rule that 6s always hit? Or can I, with stacking penalties, make it impossible for an enemy unit to hit my dudes?

>>53721675
>>53721675
We're not talking like Necron or Tau squad markings, we're looking at a badly painted toof or an ork face, or like this squad enjoys ramming people so their wheels are bloodstained sort of thing.
You could mark the bases still or use a different colour in the detail paint work, like hair colour or choppa handles (Bone? Leather?)

>>53721646
Why 30 conscripts and not 300?

>>53721729
You can make it impossible to hit, but the specific rules for overwatch is that it is never modified and 6's always hit.

What is the current tier list for 8th? Still Eldar/Necron/Tau on top?

>>53721757
did you ask every listbuilder in 7th why he didn't bring a riptide wing instead

>>53721763
Tyranids/Orks/Guard

>>53721713
>Power Points are based on unit cost with max level gear
>Don't take any wargear though

kek

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>>53721770
>we live in a world where this isn't a memepost

>>53721713
>you shouldn't be able to balance model count with model equipment because otherwise it's unfair

>>53721757
because in order to be a battle forged list, you need 3 troops and 2 HQ.

Plus I like sisters and would want to play with them.

Greyfax has a special rule where Imperium models can use her leadership instead of their own, so I figure Her and a blob of conscripts can sit on an objective while the jump infantry and mounted infantry run around and do other stuff.

When I include more stuff to make it 2000 points, it will probably be more seraphim, a leman russ squadron, and a basilisk squadron.

>>53721619
>cringeworthy Redditor
>cringeworthy fa/tg/uy
Pick one

>>53721462
ONAGER SPAM it works and looks cool too. That and more destroyers, maybe get yourself a sizable lot of castellans

>>53721763

Anti-infantry weapons got nerfed into the ground, and objectives are scored by pure numbers so the best armies are those that can spam mass cheap troops. Meaning Nids, Orks, and IG.

>>53721817
The two I've got are Neutron laser toting; are the other weapons even worth it?

>>53721049
IG needs a new tank. Something in between a russ and a malcador. Maybe something like a T-72 in terms of aesthetics.

>>53721857
low to the ground with a dome turret?
really tough and armored but with a small wound pool?

>>53721815
Well these days the majority of /tg/ users are 1d4chan plebbit immigrants so I guess you're just saying the same thing twice.

>>53721852
The phosper launcher of whatever its called its pretty good. Also the beamer is what you really wanted on those I thought

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>>53721720
Anon, you can't make your waifu your bodyguard. What would the codex say?

>>53721363
Buy recasts.

>>53721212
Aren't they part of Agents of the Imperium, which includes SoB and the assassins?

>>53720998
Personally, I'd roll with Custodes. Bobby G's lord commander of the Imperium - dude's literally second only to the Emperor in terms of importance to the Imperium. The Custodes absolutely would be covering his ass 24/7.

Anyone else think that the DG are a tad too small and the Primaris (mainly the lieutenant) are a bit too big?

>>53721865
Yes. The trade off would make Leman Russ tanks viable. Make some fluff that the Ultramarines discovered the STC print out during the latest crusade. Call it the mk I Dantioch tank or something.

>>53721918
My bad, meant the captain in Gravis armor

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>>53721869
>>53721720
I don't even blame him. Look at her legs and leggings. and she's wearing a bodice. not to mention what is practically a black latex bodysuit. Her outfit screams hot.

good for them, I hope they are happy together after all this war.

>>53721903
Are they, though? I've been wondering. In gathering storm it seemed like he was disregarding them for an ULTRA guard.

>>53721492
Yeah you cant run some of the bullshit you used to, but at least melee acolytes are still pretty good.

>>53721619
>implying 4chan isn't just reddit at this point, except with the added ability to call people faggots

>>53721929
>spends all day pinging off rounds
>lucky shot hits an ammo rack, and the entire tank explodes
critical existence failure would make it an incredibly hilarious tank

it would be a bit tougher, more armored, and faster than a leman russ, but will be too short to shoot over obstacles, less health, and have less versatility
its guns should generally have more S or AP, but fire fewer shots

>>53721784
>Power Points are based on unit cost with max level gear
Except they aren't. The dev in the interview said it was built with the assumption that you'd be taking "average" upgrades for the unit.
Power Level requires a gentleman's agreement to not be faggots and take every upgrade possible, which is why it will never replace points as the go-to option.
I guess it's fine if you just want a quick, friendly pick up game, and you don't already have lists written for your army for some reason, but no one who takes the game even slightly seriously will ever use them.

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>mfw Grey Knights actually look playable
>purifiers are beyond awful though, kinda sad

If anyone can help, here's the collection I've got. Suggestions for what's good to bring in a list or what I should buy is greatly appreciated.

>voldus
>grand master/brother captain
>2 libbies (no storm shields sadly ;^))
>terminator chaplain (counts-as ancient)
>champion
>15 termies
>10 strikers/purifiers/purgatory
>20 Interceptors
>5 Paladins
>2 dreadknights
>LR crusader
And a dreadnought I've yet to paint and can't decide to put with them or my SM.

I was thinking focus on Interceptors and termies would be good, maybe grabbing some more Paladins while I'm at it. Considering Interceptors aren't jump pack, razorbacks' might be good for holding 2 6-man squads to start the game in, then pop out into combat T2

>>53720811
So whats up with the fluff in 8th edition?

Now half the Space Marine Chapters are fucking disappeared while there's Legion of the Damned, new 2.0 Primaris, and Custodes/Talons running everywhere?

>>53722008
>build a list for me
no

>>53722004
>powerlevels are casual trash that only exist so that 12 year olds don't have to multiply
Age of Sigmar was good for the hobby.

>>53721993
I like that. It could have other builds in the future like a casemate version that mimics the a stug or hetzer.

>>53721078

You couldn't have used better gif to accompany that post.

>>53722029
No, nothing like that, I've got a general outline of 3-4 termie squads, an ancient, captain, and maybe apothecary, plus 2x 6 Interceptors chilling in lascannon razorbacks. I was just wondering if anybody that had played some games could give feedback on what they've found, sorry if it came off wrong

>>53722015
And Chaos Tau, and Chaos DEldar (mandrakes), and Chaos Primaris sort-of...

>>53720847
>chaos

>>53720864
>darkmeme player
XD YOU DIED!!!

>>53722008
>>53722122

voldus is the new grand master, dont take the vanilla one. just from what ive seen if youre gonna take librarians just take space marine ones and take their powers. paladins are back, no need to take normal termies. rifleman dreads are also back. dreadknights didnt get changed at all, theyre okay but regular dreads are better. interceptors still your best bet at power armor for GK. purifiers are now not great. psilencers are better than psycannons now. thats all i got off the top of my head

>>53721291
Dropped the snipers, added a fireblade, it's 2 5 man pathfinder teams and 4 5 man strike teams.
Will replace riptide with a stormsurge or something down the line.
Sound better?

>>53721784
If you're a HUGE FAGGOT you might take full wargear, but power level play is exclusively for people who aren't huge faggots.

>>53722188
>equipping your men is bad
Anon, you are the huge faggot.

>>53722206
found the warconvo player

Is there any reason for CSM termies to have dual lightning claws? I love claws, but I feel like I am obligated to use combi weapons.

hey boys,

Just starting in the hobby. Dont know whats a reasonably priced carry case for minatures.

When can we expect the full range of Primaris models and rules to be out? Still waiting on my termies and librarian.

>>53722218
>oh no, he's using unit synergy and something resembling strategy! The cad, doesn't he know it's a beer and pretzel game?

"If more than 50% of a units models are in base to base contact , that unit takes double the hits versus heavy and template weapons" - good house rule ?

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>>53721363
I do. Living under the turnpike's not so bad anon, but I have to have to fend off possums with my clippers sometimes. To keep my last kidney, I decided to play mostly mechanized Krieg. Love their fluff and the WWI trench look.

>>53722251
no

>>53721969
That's no small difference you fucking nigger. It's called liberty, and reddit hasn't had it for years.

>>53722249
>oh no, he's using unit synergy and something resembling strategy!
"Take these units and receive 1,000 points of wargear for free" is not "synergy" and does not "resemble strategy."

>>53722251
No. If anything, you should just have that apply to units of 20+ models

>>53722269
>1000 points
>free

>>53722251
>If the unit size is 10 models or more roll 2D6 shots instead
>If the unit size is 20 models or more 3D6 shots instead

Done fixed.
1-9 whatever the weapon profile is whatever
10-19 2D6 shots
20+ 3D6 shots

>>53722302
>>53722269
>>53722251
If you hate hordes that much why are you playing 8th?

>>53722302
I'd have to be 11+ models I think

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>>53722265
Damn right. Everyone loves a nice cup of liber-tea

>>53722307
>the entire purpose of 8th is hordes

Are Hydras good now? I've got a modular tank I can make as either a Hydra or a Basilisk to drop in with my SoB/Marines, and they both lack good anti-air firepower. I like the Basilisk, but I feel like it's more of the same in those two armies.

>>53722004
Then why do my deathwatch marines cost 9 power for 5 guys with fries?

b/c they have a ton of powerful wargear options over normal marines.

>>53722326
>get drunk with friends
>start that up on my PS4
>explain to my dumbass friend that friendly fire is always on
>he grabs a shotgun
>here we fucking go
>team killed in less than 30 seconds

>>53722302
>>53722321
Yeah, having it start at 10 makes it really easy for blasts to take out full-sized infantry squads. I'd be hesitant to really include any bonus up until 20 anyway.

Past 20 is where I feel you really need to give any extra for the fact that it's a huge blob.

>>53721010
>8th edition broken lists largely untested, the power is based off pure mathhammer on low mobility units, and ignores LoS.
For the people posting the "pure conscripts and commissars is most efficient army" meme yeah.

The actual top lists being theory crafted take that stuff into account.

>>53722221
They're cheaper and +1 attack?

But no, combi are probably better.

In any previous edition combi was the only option though, so it's an improvement.

>>53722336
the hydra can actually kill flyers now, and its no longer useless against infantry

costs more though

>>53722345
>drop turrets
>call in airstrikes
>fucking robot with the minigun
>throwing grenades at extraction points
I fucking love the bullshit you can pull.

>>53722251
>>53722271
>>53722302
>>53722321
Maybe not even alter the D6 or double shots or anything drastic like that, just add +1 shot corresponding to the tens-place.

10 models is +1 shot, 20 models is +2 shots, 30 is +3, etc.

That adds a tiny bit of extra reliability for flamers and blasts against a 10 man unit, and while it offers better averages against hordes, it isn't going to be super swingy and range between 2 hits and 12 hits. It pushes the rolls closer to their maximum, but it won't go insanely over.

>>53722352
That's just a meme, the true OP list is half conscripts, the rest IG arty.

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How does a medic heal a guy from the other end of the battlefield?

How does a massive HE shell only kill two guys on average?

How does a flak jacket save you from being run over by a tank?

How does a flamethrower hit a fighter-bomber flying at full speed?

How is an ornate-clothed, towering commander not distinguishable from a guardsman standing two meters to the northwest of him?

>>53722384
That's pretty much what I said, yeah. Also it's not even half conscripts.

>>53722392
dumb frogposter

>>53722392
Dumb frogposter

>>53722392
I know right? How do my tiny plastic models shoot at things behind them when they're standing still!

>>53722392
>muh realism
>in an abstracted game set in RIP, TEAR, ANDROCK & ROLL THE UNIVERSE
>Le Pepe

kys

>>53722331
>loss of penalties for lots of bunched up infantry
>infantry got cheaper
>no more wound chart so even a lasgun can wound a baneblade
Gee, I wonder.

>>53722369
It went from garbage tier to mediocrity, an improvement indeed.

>>53722392
>why is power armor only 12% tougher than carapace

>why are guns only hitting a fraction of their total range

>why are tanks crawling land cathedrals

>why are there 9 riptides in a every army, even though they are super rare

>why is this

>why is that

stupid moon logic is hardly unique to 8e

>>53722256
One word bud, Mirandairene

>>53722427
The riptide question is legitimate, they suck now.

>>53722427
Power armor used to be way more than 12% tougher than carapace because it was effective against autocannons and carapace wasn't. Now it really is just 12% tougher.

>>53722368

I suppose it is the cheapest option next to stock combi+Maul/Sword. I think I might doll up 5 of them with claws and sprinkle them into squads.

So what's the most bottom-tier army now?

>>53722466
The only part of 40k designs that matter is the aesthetics.

>>53722466
>twas merely an act

>>53722477
The ones that can't spam hordes.

>>53722477
Eldar. Everything's shit. My aspect warrior army is unplayable

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>>53722483
>balance doesnt matter
>immersion doesnt matter
>fun doesn't matter
>GW is only a model company after all!
Found the shill.

>>53722466

dumb frogposter

>>53722497
spam guardians

they are the actual titan killing infantry

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>>53722497

kek.

>>53722449
It's 17%, learn 2 math.

>>53722517
17% rounds down to 12%

>>53722347
Nah it's fine. The moment the squad size drops below 10 it's back to normal. So if even a single model is killed, no more 2D6

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THE ETERNAL QUESTION!

Heavy Stubber or Stormbolter for pintle weapons.

Go!

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>>53722488
>m-maybe if i strawman it wont be as obvious im getting btfo!
Top kek.

>>53722466
>Autism Speaks

>>53721918
>>53721930

The thing is that Primaris are bigger than regular marines in canon, which means they are actually too big to be true scale marines.

The new Rubrics and Death Guard are the correct size for marines.

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>>53722508
>man-face Yvraine gets a husbando and Macha is still a kissless virgin

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>>53722505
>gets out-argued
>y-you are d-dumb!
Lmaoo

>>53720868
It's not the legion choice, it's you who makes it edgy. I've seen both Word Bearers and Night Lords taken to ultimate cringe levels because of the people modelling them.

>>53722523
Except the 'moment' it drops below 10 is going to be when it takes 7 shots from the blast to the face, loses half the squad, and loses the other half to battleshock.

>>53722527
Dumb frogposter.
I miss the cheetahs. Can we go back to the cheetahs whining about chaos?

>>53722545
(You)

>>53720868
Iron warriors never seemed that edgy to me. They're the guys who where basic metal armor and paint bright construction/hazard stripes on it, and build walls angrily.

A lot of other Chaos armies feel like they have way more potential edginess to them

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>>53722544

She'll be a kissless virgin forever now thanks to the fracture of Biel-Tan.

>>53721529
GW are frontloading the Muhreens extra hard this edition, so we're pretty much guaranteed to see them first.
>implying the poster boys wouldn't be first served anyway

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>>53722442
I'm ok with spending a premium to not support organized recaster filth.

Someone autistic is actually taking the time to spam pepe pictures and they're incapable of being subtle(probably because they're autistic and don't understand the concept).

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>>53722565

>>53722600
Allay lu te nuv!
Allay lu te nuv!
Celebrate the love!

>>53722594
Is this some weird new fetish?

>>53722234
Just buy a Tupperware bin, line the bottom with a metal sheet and put magnets on the bottom of your minis

>>53722611
No, it's just that guy that did the art for devil survivor. Yazuda. Or someone mimicking his style of anti grav tits.

>>53722611
Just an autistic anime character

>>53722508
> Post YFW now that Gabriel Angelos is getting a model+rules, that Macha and GORGUTZ will most likely be getting rules too.

>>53722630
>saying not argument when you also never made an argument

>>53722634
Gorgutz better be evil sunz.

>>53722631
>>53722633

Well, that's disappointing.

Want to build a guard army with a bunch of regular guard squads supported by company commanders such that each squad can get an order per turn but is it worth it to take commissars if I'm not planning on keeping the squads bunched up? The remains of a 10 guy squad isn't going to be much of a threat anyway

>>53722667
Go horde + a couple of tanks or go home.

>>53722676
>he thinks that's an argument
Stupid frogposter.

>>53722707
>I am autistic, but I must post

>>53722616
anon what the fuck

>>53722524
heavy stubber on everything not a punisher, range>extra dakka at 12 inches

>>53722748
Different anon here but what about daemons?

>>53722748
>dumb frogposter unable to understand abstraction

its a game not a simulation you subhuman fuck.

>>53722707
>he thinks "I don't like it" is an argument
like in Fantasy, 40k works on belief because of the holes in reality. If enough sentient beings believe in something, that something will come true in some form or another. Like a weaker version of the ork waaagh!!! energy field. So yes, rule of cool is the actual rule in a place dictated over by a bunch of religious fanatics. That's how a flak jacket saves you from a tank

@53722777
What is wrong with Daemons?

>>53722748
>Why are things in an abstracted game abstracted?

Are you just mad because /pol/ is too easy to troll on?

>>53722778
Just stop replying

>>53722653
Hajime from Gatchaman Crowds is literally autistic though.

>>53722748
Mr. Frog-kun, everything you say is right. Warhammer, Warhammer 40k, and all GW affiliated products are total garbage. Everyone here knows this, but some are better are denying it and wasting money anyway.

Let them waste their money, frog-kun, and pray one day there will be a 40k containment board so they don't waste our tg space.

>>53721156
Its actually fairly balanced and easy for quick list building and games or getting an understanding of 8th.

>>53721763
Necrons are still up there, Eldar and Tau got fucked.

Weight of fire and large blocks of infantry are really good now. Armor and wargear is expensive and holding objectives/tarpiting is the name of the game.

Top tier: Orks, Nids and IG
High tier: Necrons (specifically warrior spam)
Mid tier: ...kinda hard to tell
Low tier: Tau and Eldar (all flavors)

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>>53722784
>If enough sentient beings believe in something, that something will come true in some form or another.

>>53722785
What i mean is how can those problems break immersion when massive angry cows crawl out of hell and kill tanks in one swing.

>>53722822
He lost his credibility in science when he said there was more than one gender.

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>>53722804
>all GW affiliated products are total garbage
I'll fight you irl.

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What's the most fielded Ork klan? Deathskulls?

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>>53722820
>I don't like so I'll disregard it entirely
Not an argument.

I'm still puzzled by why WG didn't extend armor values when they changed how AP interacts with armor.

It would have made infinitely more sense to have 0 be unarmored, and count upwards for increasing armor. Now rolling for armor saves fits with other rolls as #+. Roll 2+ with for the armor save against an armor 1 unit.

With each individual point of armor being less powerful, you can make armor and armor piercing more granular.

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>>53722788
>Why are things in an abstracted game abstracted?
>implying they arent simulated
>implying flamethrowers hitting planes and huge explosions killing 2 guys on average is a good abstraction
lmao

>y-you are mad despite all of your posts being coated in smugness, I am totally not projecting
LMAO

>>53722804
>implying implications
Never said that shill-dono, but nice try.

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>>53722811
>TFW your army gets better every edition AND gets it fluffy themes back

We are never the top and I think that's what saves us.

I can enjoy a relatively competitive army without being accused of being a WAAC faggot forever.

>>53722857
Evil Sunz if I had to guess

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>>53722831
>implying immersion = realism
Holy shit read a dictionary.

>>53722864
If I don't like what? Which part of my post are you replying to?

>>53722849
While true, the point of the image still stands.

>>53722737
Foam destroys spiky shit, this just makes it easy.

>>53722811
>>53722897

how do you make warrior blobs work?. i've tried using crypteks and ghost arcs, but warriors have the durability of wet tissue, so I constantly have to use CP for morale because warriors die so quickly.

I also have anti-armor problems as necrons, as our only reliable anti-armor is heavy destroyers, stalkers, and doomsday arcs

>>53722820
>Abstraction contravenes representation

How are pure knight lists in this edition if we ignore the conscript meme?

>>53722951
how easy is it to delete a whole squad of MEQs in a single round of shooting?

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>>53722931
>too stupid to read
As expected.

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>>53722954
>implying any of that excuses making a shitty job at it while also killing balance
My absolute sides

>>53722961
Probably would struggle to kill chaff meme aside

>>53722961
Only ever viable with renegade knights

>>53722008
>Grey Knights
>Playable

Good luck removing those 30+ blocks of dudes immune to morale saves and throwing out 90+ attacks per round.

I'm sure that extra wound on your termies is gonna help since every other wound in the game is gonna make your armor save power armor tier or worse and do 3 dmg a shot.

Big expensive dudes are stupid, you need fodder and everyone does it better.

>>53722849
Aren't their 2 genders anon...

But yeah, he went FUKIN CRAZY m8

>>53722991
How so?

>>53722251
>2 guys standing too close to each other get shot twice as much.

No

>>53720864
My new response every thread is to say that I miss the previous dead meme.
So, I miss the bad mspaint edited comics that completely failed to comprehend the new rules.

>>53722875
It's game balance famalam, are you butthurt cause you played IG tank spam or something?

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>>53722973
>so thoroughly shitter shattered he starts pretending i said something stupid without even being able to point it out
>is also an animefag
Like pottery.

>>53722964
not that hard, but vehicles are a bitch to kill as necrons

>>53722998
>Aren't their 2 genders anon...
Found the alt-right shitlord.

>>53722643's argument states''as an excuse for shitty immersion breaking design'' m8 read what you post.

>>53722974
Does it do a bad job?
I'll grant that artillery should hurt big groups better but what else goes against the setting they are representing?
And the game seems better balanced that it was last edition.

>>53723001
Wound output with loyalist aren't up to par with double RFBC or other configuration

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>>53723019
>can't even read a post
>pretending
>anime
The full package of the typical Age of Sigmar player.

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>>53723017
>an entire weapon type made irrelevant
>hordes literally only countered by other hordes
>i-its game balance I swear!
Lmao

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>>53723025
Gender: The state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

>>53722251

If hordes are OP
Just tack on a line, like 15+ models add an additional d6 hits or something on some relevant guns.
and bam

>>53722964
everything has AP-1 or better or gets 3X tesla shots and it's easy to get BS 2+ and rerolls...

You can kill 8+ marines a shooting phase turn without much problem and probably another 3 if you assault first.

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>>53723045
Welcome to games workshop. Buy more models goy.

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>>53723035
Flak armor saving you from tanks. Flamers hitting aircraft with perfect accuracy. Medics teleporting into the other side of the battlefield to heal a man if his squad formed a perfect conga line.

>And the game seems better balanced that it was last edition.
Which does not mean it's own faults shouldn't be called out and corrected.

>>53723040
>he is still unable to point out the very part he was supossedly calling out
Top kek I was right wasn't I? Roflmao

>m-muh aos!
>grognard STILL assblasted the game got sigmar'd while shilling for it at the same time
This is incredible.

>>53722676's argument states''as an excuse for shitty immersion breaking design'' m8 read what you post.

>>53723110
What?

>>53723024
Destroyers do just fine IMHO.
Heavy 2 S5 AP-3 Dd3 rerolling ones is only marginally worse than Heavy 1 S9 AP-4 Dd6.

The S&T changes mean 5+ to wound on everything and even Tesla puts enough shots down range to force a few 1's

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In celebration of plastic Sisters, post your best pics of em.

>>53723124
Frog poster was grilling me for not reading his own posts
>>53722831
this is me by the way.

I've always been shit at building terminator squads for CSM's. Do I want to completely deck them out in special weapons or have just like 2-3 of them with something and the rest vanilla?

Wanted to make a Terminator list and have a unit of ten at over 500 points which seemed a tad too high.

Any pointers would be really appreciated.

>>53723128
They're too easy to kill. I've never had a destroyer squad last more than 2 turns, Assault cannons and DE desintigrators shred them.

>>53723068
Gender is a grammatical subclass that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms.

>>53722961
Chart-Anon did damage and cost calculations for them, bottom link of the OP

>>53723025
Lol.

>>53723105
>not liking something is a valid argument
>being unable to recognize it
>implying pepeposting isn't stupid
Cheetahman, Age of Smeg will never not be shat on.
>grognard
I was a new player at the time. Converted a lot of my orks, got more models and trays, and then it's all pulled right out from under my feet.

>>53723161
Sounds like a tactical problem.

You got the speed, get good.

>>53723105
Those are quirks of the game, rather than actually what happens, and you know it.

>>53723105
Flamers hitting jets is fluffy
If the tank can't muster a -2 ap then is don't see a problem rolling for the flak armour. How often do you expect to see a medic healing a conga line ? Wouldn't the conga line unit hae to be huge and therefore full of chaff not worth healing ?
We'll see how balanced it is but 100% balance isn't possible with an asymmetric faction game.

>>53723068
That's not the definition notable dictionaries like Merriam-Webster use. Try again Trumpling.

>>53723198
Not really. Dark eldar can rush up the field and just pour massive amounts of fire from their raiders. fliers like the storm raven can mow down most of a unit pretty easily. 10" move + 24" range still isn't that large of a range