Modern General

Also I'm not sure where the mainphase tier list is, but I think they're changing some stuff around on the site. Hopefully it comes back soon.

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Hint: the mainphasemtg link is broken.

As far as I can tell, they've removed all the tier lists from the site.

Now for the obligatory:
>playing
Affinity, duh. Thinking about spicing it up to deal with all the removal.
>hating
Removal.
>brewing
Been playing around with Storm.
>metagame thoughts
I'm hoping the meta will swing back towards linear aggro (for obvious reasons), but I don't think anything needs to be banned.

>>53717291
When will the Death's Shadow meme end?

>>53717393
When one of two things happen:
1. A ban.
2. The meta adjusts to suppress it.

Why isn't protection from (insert color here) more prevalent in Modern? Besides Auriok Champion.

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>>53717449
Because decks are too varied for protection from (insert color here) to be all that great. It only works if you get protection from a color of your choosing or protection from all colors.

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Going to a Tournament Tomorrow
I am 100% ready to fuck up and job the entire day.
I managed to come in second last time I went, but I only won because I was dressed up like a complete buffoon and people didn't take me seriously. Running one of these bad boys in the main so I can windmill slam it and shout WRYYYYYYYY like the autistic weeaboo faggot I am.


>playing
Burn; Red-White Pride World Wide Motherfucker

>hating
Indecisive shitheads who take more than a minute to take their turn

>brewing
Memes

>Metagame thoughts
I haven't played Paper magic in over a Month. It seemed petty nice the last time I played, but if it is anything like playing on Xmage... well fuck me I want out.

>>53717449
You need protection from red, black, and white for bolt, push, and path. Auriok Champion has two of those, and no other playable creatures really do

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>>53717484
>spice in burn
Nice anon. I myself am running 2 thunderous wrath mb

>>53717484
To be fair, some of us have a lot of math to do to see if you are dead this turn.

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>>53717291
is the origional tezzeret good?

>>53717698
As a win-con in an artifact heavy blue control deck, maybe.

>>53717648
Naturally, I make exceptions for Affinitybros.
I've played the deck, it requires 4d chess levels of thinking to get the best results with, but at least games end quickly against affinity. My real gripe is when matches drag on and go to time. Fuck durdling.

>>53717727
he's just meh otherwise?

He would work well with somthing like improvise but thats more standard fare.

i mean his -x is nice for digging for artifacts

.....yea AoB is better.

>>53717759
He is good in ThopterSword, but that is all I can think of really. He is really solid. His -x can be used to ramp, pulling out Opals and Darksteel Citadels, I really like doing janky shit like that.

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>>53717733
Fuck you too

>>53717759
Yeah, improvise is just worse affinity for artifacts, and even affinity only ever runs one of those anymore (even then only sometimes).

>>53717872
Daily reminder that if you play a deck with no maindeck outs to bridge or are under a nearly full lock you deserve what you get by not scooping.

>>53717902
Why doesnt affinity run barey any affinity cards?
isnt that its thing or did all the affinity cards get banned or somthing

>>53717924
Because the only affinity card that holds up at all is thoughtcast. Metalcraft and other synergistic cards are just so much more powerful.

>>53717950
soo, it just got sidelined, but the other cards stayed cause they were good cards?

>>53717950
I think Razor Golem is a good card and it is a shame that it doesn't see play in Death and Taxes. It would fit very nicely alongside blade Splicer IMO

>>53717393
but death shadow decks are pretty fair and aren't cancer.
Honestly modern is in a pretty great place right now and anyone who hates a specific deck is just butthurt

>>53718005
Cards that enable affinity cards and take advantage of having a lot of artifacts still work fine.

>>53717449
>>53717469
This dude comes up in the club and slaps your girls ass giving her at least 2 poison counters, what do you do?

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>>53718214
Forgot image fuck

>>53718214
I play abrupt decay?

Why are combo decks like storm so cheap? Its a tier 1 deck, but costs less than any viable deck in the format.

>>53718214
>>53718237
>attempts to slap etched champion
>gets its ass handed to it instead

>>53718263
Other than the manabase, the cards tend to not work in other decks, so there isn't much demand. Cards that work in, say, midrange decks tend to work in a lot of decks.

>>53717291
>>53717291
>Playing
BG Infect

>Hating
Nothing cause I ain't a little bitch

>Brewing
Improving BG Infect getting the numbers right. Besides that I am in the pre planning stages of a token burn deck using impact tremors, monastery mentor, and young pyromancer

>Meta Thoughts
Its good with a diverse amount of decks and play styles. Some unbans might be nice now that we have more tools to fight them.

>>53718256
In response Blossoming Defense

>>53718346
>BG Infect
You mean thugs 'n bugs?

>>53718394
Yes but considering I don't want to have to apologise on the internet I ain't calling it that. Its generic name is BG Infect and I have a different personal name I'll use at events.

>>53718434
God damn it right as I was ready to stomp with Tron. You better not be going to the 1k at the Card Kingdom/Mox or I'll throw a fit

>>53718496
You know that Burn is on the rise right?

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>>53718555
4x Main Board Chalice ;)

>>53718733
So by "Tron" you really meant "Eldrazi Tron" :P

>>53718733
I've got 4 Revelry and 4 Nacatl in my SB to deal with garbage like you

Would you watch a cartoon / anime about Magic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9V6oRoutfY

>>53719611

Goddamn its so obvious when a poser only wears a suit for his vlogs / conventions

>>53719611
yea, it would be fantastic to watch a anime version of tezzeret flip out, that would be funny as fuck

>>53719611
Yes.

>>53719667
You don't think he wore one when he was a community college "Professor"?

>>53719611
Yes I would, but WotC is retarded and would fuck it up. It would be a letdown on par with the Berserk anime.

>>53719738
I dunno, Wotc is owned by Hasbro, and Hasbro has plenty of experience making shows.

Ever seen Inhumanoids? That shit was badass.

>>53719738
CLANG

>>53719611
fuck no, especially if it was jacetice league centric

>>53720007
What if they just made Jace actually Batman?

>>53720041
That would be nice. His jump 2 is so good and he's got easy mixups like 1,2,3 and 1,2,2

>>53720200
Gideon is obviously Superman, but is Chandra Wonder Woman? Would Lili be Catwoman?

Does that work or am I stretching it too far?

>>53720259
Nissa would have to be Wondy. Chandra is far too volatile, Diana's vendetta against necks aside.

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my deck

>>53720359
Focus!

>>53720391
on what

>>53720359
Potato quality.

>>53720405
The image. I can barely see.

>>53720359
looks like a good RTR standard deck

I'm fucked up on drugs.

Think I could still expertly pilot my Burn deck?

>>53720641
I dunno, how many reps have you gotten in with it?

>>53720667
I played it exclusively for 2+ years. I acquired Jund a couple weeks ago and have been using that at non-professional events though.

>>53720701
Then as long as you're playing against a known deck, probably.

>>53720761
But even then wouldn't an unknown deck be even easier since they can't outrace it?

>>53720792
Not if it's doing something weird that slows you down or causes you to make a misplay since you're fucked up on drugs.

>>53720818
Shit man ,good call.

>>53717733
>>53720884
Anyone else ever noticed how Burn and Affinity players get along so well?

As Eldrazi and Taxes, if my opponent isn't playing fetchlands, do I side him out or hope to draw both him and either GQ/path?

>>53721134
Who? Leonin Arbiter?

>>53721155
Yeah. I don't know why I didn't specify.

>>53721178
Well if a deck isn't running fetchlands (or Expedition Map), it probably isn't running many basics either. Leonin Arbiter seems even more meh in that case.

>>53718733
Go jump off a bridge

>>53720359
GW tokens can be fun but man does it get beat easily.

>>53721219
Nah, my meta is just split between serious decks and more budget decks. So the ones that don't run fetches basically only run basics or the slowest of dual lands.

DnT might have been a bad choice to build for my meta simply because my lgs is so not-meta.

>>53721362
Best 1/1 goblin w/haste tokens?

>>53717372
just run some number of maindeck jars. a list with 3 just 5-0d MTGO

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>special B&R announcement ahead of schedule so we can "discuss, dissect, and dive into"

Who else is ready for pic related to come back to save the format?

>>53721461
Not happening. They just moved the B&R announcement up to get it out of the way so that they can have the good stuff on Wednesday.

"On Tuesday, we'll have two items you should pay attention to—one is about our Magic digital offerings coming up and the other is the banned and restricted announcement that was originally scheduled for June 14.

We are moving the B&R announcement up because Wednesday is going to be what you would traditionally think of as Announcement Day, where we announce a ton of upcoming new products and worlds. Since we're focusing on everything we're putting out for our 25th anniversary next year, we want to give this announcement its own day for you to discuss, dissect, and dive into."

>>53721461
which one is the twin

>>53721562
If you go through a transporter, is the person who comes out the other side you or was a new person born and the old you killed?

>>53721461
Hope you boys bought your copies, I'm sitting on 40 right now. Gonna make a killing when they unban it

>>53721699
Joke's on you, they're going to double ban it. If they catch you with one in your trade binder, you'll be banned from all DCI events. It will take two unbannings for it to be legal again.

>>53718237
I cast Vapor Snag.

>>53721461
It'll be STONEFORGE MYSTIC, BABY

>>53721461
Second Sunrise will be free

I'm going to rain on all your parades.

Splinter Twin will not be unbanned.
Stoneforge Mystic will not be unbanned.
Bloodbraid Elf will not be unbanned.
Jace, the Mind Sculptor will not be unbanned.

People get worked up over it every B&R announcement, but it's just not going to happen.

>>53721725
My Dad is WotC and he says you're wrong. Someones obviously mad that he won't be able to compete in a couple of days.

>>53722039
They are literally going to unban all of those this announcement which is why it got moved up and separated from the other announcement

>>53722062
Nope, try reading the announcement announcement again. They separated it out so the boring "no changes" announcement doesn't detract from all their product announcements on Wednesday.

>>53722046
I am your Dad though. I'm sorry that I couldn't tell you about the double secret probation in person son.

Burn vs goblins? Which one is more fun and which is better?

>>53722144
they both gay

>>53722144
>which one is more fun
Subjective.
>which is better
Well Burn is Tier 1 and 8-whack is a fringe budget deck. You tell me.

modern is a good, healthy format

>>53722388
Obviously.

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>>53720359
>Lingering Souls
>no black for flashback

Might as well just run Midnight Haunting then.
Alternatively, cut them and Wake the Reflections and put in Blade Splicers and Restoration Angels. Still, I don't see the deck winning any major tournaments soon, but I have a soft spot in my heart for GW tokens, particularly the cards from RTR and INN.

Speaking of cards from INN, try to get a couple Gavony Townships.

>>53718100
But what if I hate Tron or Taking Turns

>tfw 4-0 with BtL Scapeshift
Ask me anything.

>Just bought in BGx
>Now it's a bad deck

W-why...

>>53717507
Red/White are the one's you need the most. I get that fatal push is on the rise, but 90% of the removal in modern is either bolt/path.

>>53722997
>not being at the top of the meta means it's bad
ayy lmao
>>53722975
Then you are a meme who hates memes.

>>53722988
White or black?

Also post list valacuck.

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I asked /modern/ what to take to FNM to try and win the Aether Hub promo, between U Tron and Duck Hunt. People said Duck Hunt, so I took it.

And got 2nd place, somehow. Thanks, /modern/.

>>53721461
It'll be Modern: no changes, because Wizards' abilities to improve the format are very substantial and will not be questioned.[/i]

>>53723248
1 copy of visions in his 40 land deck. Do you hate yourself?

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>>53717291
Played my first modern event yesterday with pic related. I've only played modern twice before (borrowed infect & burn)
I'm still missing some key cards (spell snares, electolyzes and most of the sideboard).

Managed to go 2-2 beating infect and a jank brew but losing to temur control and U/W spirits.

What are some good cards / strategies against a heavy control , burn and infect meta?

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>>53724823
Pic related for the later two

>>53724883
Yeah I've got one in the sideboard but might opt for a second. Currently running 2 x Timely Reinforcements as well

>>53724823
Deaths shadow and stubborn denial to name 2

I'm trying a casual mono Green deck, and I'm new to the game, how many lands and special lands should I generally run?

>>53725346
So that all depends on your mana curve if your playing with things like primeval titan (a six cost creature) your going to want alot of lands (like 25) but if your playing with birds of paradise you can lower this number

Wish me luck /tg/ I'm off to go play magic

>>53720995
Because both decks are fast linear aggro that requires proper sequencing. One Misplay and the other player will win. Games can end as early as turn 3 giving players ample time to go out for a smoke or get subway or whatever.

>>53722997
Just add a playset of Death's shadow and make your manabase more painful. Boom Problem solved.

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>>53725560

godspeed anon

>>53720359
Looks like an mm17 draft deck

which I like

>>53725560
Goodluck Anon.

If I managed to 3-1 yesterday FNM with my U/R prowess you can do it.

>>53723181
White

>>53725560
What event are you playing friend?

>>53724034

I tried to follow the Top 8 deck as closely as I was able to. The only card I didn't have was Anger of the Gods, so I played Pyroclasm instead. The only difference it made was against Dredge, where the player managed to get 3 Prized Amalgams out on turn two in the first game.

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Is this a suitable sideboard to take to a GP?

>>53719611
Would you watch it if it was a yugioh like anime?

Went 2-2 at FNM with an aether vial/collected company based werewolf deck. With appropriate use of moonmist and atarka's command the deck actually had surprising speed and power but it's just not consistent enough to ever be great. Kind of makes it a perfect representation of RG though, explosive and powerful but inconsistent and prone to fizzling out.

>>53727507
I'm pretty sure this isn't a serious sideboard but I'll bite.

Get some graveyard hate like Bojuka/Tormod/Relic, you need extirpate/extraction and more land hate in GQ

>>53727693
This was the sideboard of a deck featured at an open. See, this VOD for details.

See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUxGqCtEq3c

>>53728065
what the fuck

Why in their god damn mind someone would use a fucking Dismissal when you have way better shit out there?

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Meme shitbrew doing well in an open, time to buy

>>53722553
Thanks, I appreciate the advice!

>>53728799

What's the meme shitbrew?

>>53723248
>Duck Hunt
The card has Swan in the name my dude...

>>53728161

I'd guess it was the easiest thing to get to counter eldritch moon emrakul

>>53729578
swans are ducks

>>53729608
Just because they belong to the same family doesn't make them a duck

It's always so cringe-inducing to see Todd Stevens try to play this game.

>>53729578

Naming decks after whichever their important card is is boring and unimaginative

>>53729638
the ugly DUCKling was a SWAN
ducks are swans
checkmate

>>53729328
Breach deck with the janky rare and a bunch of flicker creatures to get back your griseldad/emrakul

>>53729731

Oh, that's pretty cool actually! Although I'd worry about "blanking" whenever you tried to hit the top 10 cards, I wish Modern had something like Brainstorm that would allow you to guarantee a "hit".

>>53729680
The whole point of that story was that he was never a duck, he was a swan and that's why he was different.
Checkmate

>>53729653
That's how most decks do it and they do it because it's the easiest way to determine what exactly a deck is.

>>53729653
Agreed. It's something that works fine for Standard, as specific decks don't stick around for very long (or aren't supposed to), so having [card name] [archetype] works fine. But pretty much every other format should have interesting or descriptive deck names. We don't call Burn "RW Lightning Bolt" or Affinity "Artifact Creature Ravager Aggro".

Memes and the meta not being in a good spot for them aside, what 'sword of's do you guys think are the best?

Fire and Ice is great in Legacy but Bolt not being strong right now is kinda meh. Feast and Famine sounds the best in Modern due to GBx being huge right now, but Light and Shadow could also be ridiculous depending on the meta you play it in.

Thoughts?

>>53730049
>That's how most decks do it and they do it because it is an easy way out for boring people who have the personality of a wet plank of wood

fixed it for you

What would happen if Wizards bans Street Wraith and Collected Company next week?

>>53730146
>Body and Mind
The ability to create chump blockers and potentially go wide enough is good, but the mill (and potential Snapcaster fuel) is pretty bad. Probably pretty low.

>Feast and Famine
Protection from Black and from Green (two of the most played colors overall) is pretty sweet. Ripping apart your oponents hand is pretty good. Untapping lands is a huge potential tempo swing. I'd rate fairly highish.

>Fire and Ice
Pro R is better than U, but is still only okay. Repeated Shock and card advantage is decent , though. I'd put it in the middle, overall.

>Light and Shadow
Pro W and B is pretty tits, as it dodges a huge chunk of removal. Path, Push, Terminate, Abrupt Decay, etc. Probably the best protection combo. But lifegain is lame, and the recursion is only okay. Probably on the same tier as F&I

>War and Peace
Probably the worst in my opinion, although I could be wrong. Pro RW is fine, but doesn't dodge larger portions of the metagame, and damage/lifegain based on hand size is no better than Lightning Helix most of the time.

I'd rate them Feast & Famine> Fire & Ice = Light & Shadow > Body & Mind > War & Peace. Of course, they're not really that good in the format overall. I've seen a couple of them as 1 offs in tempo lists, though. Also, I could be completely wrong.

>>53730378
Thank you, anon.

If you would be so kind. Could you follow me into a thought experiment?

If, and only if, because I know this is sure to cause a shitstorm Stoneforge Mystic were to be unbanned, which swords would you play in the main deck and, if you were to, which would you play in the side?

I feel its completely meta-dependant. Feast and Famine would probably be the best to slot into main along with a Batterskull, but I feel SFM is best at 3 equipments to pull.

I feel its a toss-up between Fire and Ice and Light and Shadow.

>>53730088
>We don't call Burn "RW Lightning Bolt"
Burn is what we call the type of spell/ability that the deck is built around.
>or Affinity "Artifact Creature Ravager Aggro".
Once upon a time, Affinity was built around the affinity for artifacts keyword.

Decks are almost always named after a keyword, central card, and/or archetype.

>>53730355
Death's Shadow and Coco decks drop, decks like Affinity go up, classic BGx goes up.

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>>53730355

I bought 4 sets of coco last week so I'd probably kms

>>53730378
No, you're right. Bant Midrange used to run them back in the early days of the format, and found them to be entirely too slow even then and cut them for an aura-based "blouses" suite. Batterskull with one or two meta-dependent swords would still have you fetching Batterskull more often than not.

>>53730450
What SFM really wants is Jitte and Batterskull, but that won't happen in Modern.

>>53730623
>buying 16 cocos
why

>>53730640

fuck

a set, I blame lack of sleep

>>53730049
>>53730160
Can you think of better names then?
I wonder how Fruity Pebbles got the name.

>>53730450
I would always maindeck 2 F&F, probably anyway. Being able to dodge a black-based removal when equipped and constantly wrecking hands + untapping lands is a gake-winner. L&S could be split between maindeck and side. Probably 2 depending on metagame. More removal protection and the possibility of getting a SFM back to hand seems pretty good. And 1 F&I in the sideboard, possibly 2 (but probably not), for really grindy matchups. So a 5 card Sword package along with 3 Batterskull and whatever else you want, I guess.

>>53730450
Not him, but I'd choose Fire and Ice over Light and Shadow in Stoneblade. The deck runs enough evasive creatures to get it through, and its effect is far stronger than Light and Shadow.
>which would you play in the side
Manriki-Gusari is the only equipment I'd run in the side.

>>53730623
CoCo will most likely get banned eventually, but probably not for another year or so. I'd still say get them.

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>>53730450

>>53730699
More than 1 Batterskull? Is that due to so much artifact hate in the meta? What's your reasoning behind that? Having That many equipments in the main feels like it would dilute the rest of your game plan or force you to bank on drawing SMF's and having them survive a turn after being played.
>>53730715
Not even at the chance of hosing your opponents plays by grabbing a niche sword?
>>53730829
That's some spice, my friend

>>53730794
Coco will only get banned "in the interest of format diversity."

>>53730863
3 Batterskull was just a number I threw out there. It doesn't mean anything without the rest of the deck, as I have no idea what to fill it with.

>>53730905
CoCo will get banned because Standard needs good creatures that cost 3 or less and eventually the value of CoCo (in modern) will get out of hand.

>>53730984
That's like saying they keep making gold creatures that are good, so pillar of the paruns will need to go.

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>>53730829
If my memes stopped being dreams I'd run this along with Elbrus, the Binding Blade. Imagine a Godsend on a Geist of Saint Traft.

>>53730863
Depends on the meta. A lot of things are up in the air right now. Hard to say what creatures stoneblade would run. Burning a creature and drawing a card every turn is just too good to pass up if I can do it. I'd test it and see of I really needed an extra sword. I'd run Manriki-Gusari on the assumption that there would be a lot of people playing stoneblade if Mystic got unbanned.

>>53731045
It's like saying if good Eldrazi get printed Eye of Ugin will need to..

Oh wait.

>>53731088
unban eye of ugin

>>53731088
1. Good 3 mana and lower creatures already exist.
2. Eye of Ugin and Coco aren't very comparable. Coco is single use and 4 cmc. Eye of Ugin was a land that could power out 4 cmc+ worth of creatures on turn 1 and continue to be used every turn.

>>53717291
Wheres a good place to get a bunch of cheap sleeves in bulk

>>53731296
the internet

>>53731829
is there any websites that sell them in bulk for cheap?

>>53731887
yeah, http://www.google.com/

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>>53721461
why does only one of them have a sword?

>>53729853
pic related is on curve and sets up either challenge or breach p well

>>53730355
>street wraith
I could see them going after free draws honestly. I don't agree with it but I could see it.

>coco
A 4mana card that requires a serious deckbuilding constriction to get consistency will never be banned.

>>53732964
... I used to play Pod, anon.

>>53733028
Pod was a toolbox deck that could get you whatever you wanted pretty much whenever you wanted it. With coco you have to spin the wheel of destiny and you can't just reuse it.

>>53733132
You know, unless you hit Eternal Witness.

Also Pod was sorcery-speed with an activation cost each time you wanted to use it. So no, not even close to "pretty much whenever".

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>>53717449
>Protects itself from majority of removals prevelant in modern
>Shits on any burn decks
>On top of curving well into Spectral/Lingering Souls

Speaking of Auriok, reprint fucking when? I want new art

>>53733189
You know what I mean. You could use pod turn after turn. That you could reduce its cost by paying life just makes it even worse.
>unless you hit Eternal Witness
Hitting a respin on the wheel of destiny. The point remains that you can't intrinsically reuse it.

>>53733189
>Also Pod was sorcery-speed with an activation cost each time you wanted to use it. So no, not even close to "pretty much whenever".

Because 1 colorless mana is so much of an activation cost

>playing
Living End. $0.25 commons OP, my dudes.

>hating
I wouldn't say hate really, but Vizier combo seems a little overhyped to me. The original Melira combo seems to be a bit more solid and had more of a Plan B, which I think is better conceptually.

>brewing
UW control

>Metagame thoughts
I don't personally play a lot at the moment so I don't have much experience with the current meta in terms of games, but it seems alright at the moment I guess. I'm just hoping that SSG and Street Wraith aren't banned to take Death's Shadow down a notch.

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>>53730905
Twin unban when?

>>53734768
never

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Fucking moot stop eating my posts

I've been playing a shit-ton of metallurgic summonings in standard, and I was joking with a friend that I should try it in modern, and he showed me this https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-91-31-tix-modern-ur-summonings

Other then the land base, what changes should I do to make it more competitive? Budget is no concern.

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How do I hose counters company other than packing 12of removal and discard?

>>53735197
Seems slow and bad

Are any of the post-Origins sets good, in your opinion?

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>>53735285
Cage turns off coco.

>>53735309
It did decently in the videos, even as a budget deck.

>>53735385
Turns off CoCo and Chord, but not Duskwatch Recruiter or Ballista. Worth at least 1of though.

Is there a card in black or red that makes someone lose 10 life (or take 10 damage), that costs 8 or less mana?

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>>53735463

>>53735463
Death's Shadow

With how common grixis death shadow was in the open, do you think wizards will nerf it by banning street wraith?

>>53735197
>5 mana enachantment that doesn't provide value on the spot or win you the game
>no way of cheating it out
Don't bother

>>53735461
The good thing about cage is that it works against other decks as well. Having versatile hate is nice.

>>53735564
That's exactly what I was thinking, but the videos seemed decent.

>>53735490
One that actually does the damage once resolved?

>>53735197
>>53735564
It's far more complicated than just being a 5 mana wincon that doesn't win on the spot. Summonings is also really bad in multiples and requires a lot of setup even after landing it to help you win. Not to mention that always having a specific card that's a 4 of in your deck isn't going to happen some of the time.

It does have a powerful effect, but it's just not good enough, think of it like seance... Seance's effect is really good, but at it's mana cost and what it needs to be setup it's not. Combined with you still need a setup another cards to win, it's not very good in modern, same thing for summonings.

>>53735687
Yeah, you're right. Oh well.

>>53735687
>It does have a powerful effect,
Not when most of the spells you want to be casting in modern have a low cmc

>It's far more complicated than just being a 5 mana wincon that doesn't win on the spot.
It really isn't and I never said anything about winning on the spot. Even if you get to resolve a Summonings it's going to take several turns to put you in a position to win the game if you even live to that point, which is a big downside in modern.

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Not long now.
Also possibly a Marvel ban

>>53735969
How does it feel to know that your waifu will always be locked up in the banlist, getting raped by Jace, GGT, and Deathrite Shaman.

>>53736084
GGT ain't want that old used up prison pussy senpai, he was a free troll until not too long ago.

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UNBAN MENTAL MISSTEP

>>53736131
I'm pretty sure trolls will take what they can get. Luckily, he also has BBE to use to keep things from getting too stale.

>>53736175
>unbanning phyrexian mana spells
ayy lmao

>>53736176
GGT will never go back after getting a taste of that sweet Amalgam and Neonate boipucci. He's a changed troll now desu

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>>53736204
Just look at him? You really think he's changed? Hell, I bet even Jace and Shaman have to watch out.

>>53736192
Then why they didn't ban Surgical yet? Or Mutagenic.

Fucking hypocrit.

>>53736231
>implying jace doesnt beg for it

>>53736289
Surgical and Mutagenic aren't blue.

>>53736231
He's a good troll he dindu nuffin, he a changed troll. Just gotta keep him away from his homie dread return

>>53735511
Good
Then people can get in on running bob like I am

>>53736386
>not running both
do you even suicide black?

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>>53735564
Would this five mana enchantment be worth playing?

>>53736783
No go away

>>53736849
c'mon on man. don't give him you's. just ignore him

What should a good Taking Turns sideboard have besides Spreading Seas?

Also is Inkmoth Nexus worth it or not?

>>53737330
Generally whatever bullets you like (pithing skite grafdiggers etc) and cheap countermagic like dispel/pierce.
Must haves imho are a Commandeer and a Jace VP.

Testing out a sideboard Day's Undoing for matchups where they kill all your shit besides your landdrops.

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>>53733327
And 2 life you cis player scum!

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>>53734038
I wonder if we have the same strain of autism

>>53726040
I was at a 3k Open hosted by face to face
I ended up scrubbing out against a pro playing DSJ in round 2 and got overrun by Elves in round 3. Played against Eggs in round 4, lost and dropped. I've never been as salty as I am right now.

>>53738789
sell your body to a farmer, cows love licking salt.

>>53735197
Got a link to your standard list?

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Get ready

>>53740127
For what, a worse CoCo?

>>53740243
CoCo doesn't give you Griselbrand and Flickerwisp

>>53740254
CoCo does get you two creatures that give you infinite mana though.
Having to give a creature to your opponent just seems shitty to me.

>>53740304
Modern challenge decks don't ACTUALLY give the opponent a creature, that's the point

>>53740127
Hope you lads bought your copies from Channel Fireball™ this is going to break the meta wide open and change modern forever. It's also finally going to put SaffronOlive on the map as a deckbuilder which is something that's unfairly evaded him up until this point.

>>53740362
/BitterUnusualCakeArsonNoSexy

John Middlebrook is SaffronOlive?

>>53740402
Saffron Olive literally came up with dubious challenge anon

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/against-the-odds-dubious-challenge

>>53738655
Well shit. Seems like it, haha!

>>53740419
And he said it was shit. He also doesn't work for fireball.

>>53740345
they give the next best thing though, a concession

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>tfw you just want a midrange-ish artifact deck that plays Tezz, Agent

>>53741666
So go and make one. Just because a good deck doesn't exist doesn't mean it can't. Modern players are just stuck in an incestuous mindset of only playing good decks because they're the good decks already.

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I'm pretty new to modern and mtg in general, but I like burn and I've been slowly collecting pieces to work my way up to naya burn.
I'm pretty firmly planted in mono-red right now until I get enough money to get fetch/shock and the cards to justify them, but I've been playtesting naya burn, virtually, against some of my cheaper decks (talking like $30-$45) and it seems to lose pretty consistently to them.

The decks I've tried it against aren't my own brew it's just standard mono-green counters and mono-white soul sisters.

Am I doing something wrong here or is naya burn just calibrated to run against other meta decks?

>>53742658
>Soul Sisters
Literally Burn's worst matchup.

Burn half counts on people damaging themselves through fetch/shocklands. It's much easier to blow someone up when they deal 5 to themselves.

>>53742711
I figured as much. I've got a casual group of friends that I play with and I've been thinking of changing up the deck a bit so that it's more suited to people not using fetches and shocks.

Should I bring more cards suited for a slower clock? Guttersnipe/young pyro etc.?
Having meta decks is fun and all, but it's strange how the meta burn deck isn't really compatible with lower end ones. Green 1/1 counters kind crushes it just as bad as sisters.

>>53742750
>Should I bring more cards suited for a slower clock?
Sure, Grim Lavamancer is the lad you're after. If you're going to proxy up Naya, throw in Wild Nacatl.

>>53742758
What about quest for pure flame?

>>53742769
Needs to be in your opening hand to be any good, does nothing for too long.

>>53742784
Even on a slower clock? I feel like if I had a gutter sniper out there dumping 10 damage bolts would be really satisfying.

>>53742797
Guttersnipe is too slow. Half of Burn's games are played on 2 land, and by the time you hit 3 your hand is basically empty.

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Any powerful pet cards you wish were buildable/playable/competitive?

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Got a really cheap playset of pic related

Does it have a place somewhere? Do I just stuff a mono-w deck with fuck-you effects like grand abolisher, ghostly prison and this and get shitted on at FNM?

>>53743228
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/477657-pillow-fort-prison-white-x-enchantment-control

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>>playing
been playing a lot of Cheeri0s lately
>>hating
counterspell after counterspell after counterspell
>>brewing
Jeskai flying tribal
>>Metagame thoughts
I wish I could afford Goyfs/Lilianas

>>53743250

Interesting read, thanks

I'm not really a pillowfort player outside of EDH at least but I could try it. I have most pieces at least

Do you play with your deck vertical or horizontal /tg/?

>>53744058
Horizontal
This ain't yugioh

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>>53744294
>tfw you want a mtg equivalent of a duel disk

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>>53744351

>>53744428
You would buy one. Don't pretend that you wouldn't.

>>53744058
Diagonal
Fuck the poilice

>>53744620
I bet you play with lands in front and tap 15 degrees too.

>>53744645
45 dregrees actually.
And I only play with white border lands that use the retro diagonal T tap symbol

>>53744058
To the left and upside-down. Or in the middle of the mat. i'm not even joking

>>53744703
Unless you play nothing but pure control or in-hand combo, I don't get it.

>>53744645
Is there anyone that actually taps his or her lands 90 degrees?

>>53744850
I do.

>>53744850
I do, since sometimes you'll encounter a cunt that will call a judge over even the most minor things.

Once I got warning from that shit for not "tapping properly".

>>53744850
What's wrong with that?

>>53744872
Call the judge on him for "slowing the game"?
>>53744880
Nothing, I just didn't meet anyone that tapped 90 degrees (except for their very first games ever)

>>53744895
There are slow play violations and stalling violations. Calling the judge is neither, especially if you get a time extension.

>>53744850
I didn't know people didn't tap lands 90 degrees

>>53744850
Why would you not tap 90 degrees? I've only seen very new players do this. They also don't untap 90 degrees so they have a mess of cards half tapped half untapped but every card is tilted a bit so you can't really tell if it is tapped or not.

>>53744895
Well, I'm not a cunt so I don't give a fuck to call a judge over the most minor things.
Even if my opponent is a full fledged cunt.

>>53745647
you sure sound like a massive cunt

>>53745797
ebin

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>>53724823
>strategies against a heavy control
this nigga here

>>53745914
Doesn't spell queller just die to every removal spell in Modern?

SELL SELL SELL devoted druid and street wraith before tuesday?

>>53746427
>speculating on bans

>>53746427
Sell everything before Tuesday. Sell cards, deck boxes, playmats, t-shirts, posters, tattoos, food, belongings, the house, car, doggo, and kidney.

>>53746492
already sold my kidney to buy into modern though

>>53746701
The trick is to sell OTHER people's kidneys.

>>53746701
Then sell your other kidney, you don't really need it anyway.

>>53746256
If they want that spell back, they're gonna need to fork over another one. Spell Queller also makes X spells and counterspells useless. In Bant CoCo, it can catch removal, even uncounterable spells such as Supreme Verdict or Abrupt Decay, to protect your board.

>>53746760
Spell Queller also lets then cast sorcery speed spells on your turn though.

>>53745914
I wish I could jam him in more decks, but he's only really good in knightfall and bant spirits.

>>53732906
The clone has a sword because the original creature taps in order to make a clone so only the clone ever attacks. Flavor desu.

>>53746884
Not if you protect it, which is a theme in Bant spirits

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How do we feel about diversity in modern again?

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>>53750275

And I was worried about CoCo maybe getting banned.

>>53750311
The only person I've ever seen advocate for a CoCo ban is Desolator.

>>53750334
I wouldn't be sad if CoCo was banned, mostly because the card is bad design as opposed to power level reasons. The card is the closest thing to a viable hearthstone card in modern barring spoils of the vault and even spoils of the vaults randomness is bad for the user as opposed to the opponent.

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>>53750275
>no burn

>G1 t1
>eldrazi tron drops relic and chalice on 0
>loses to hardcast LE creatures
And all is right in the world

>living end won through chalice on 0 and relic of prog turn 1
What

And that kids is why 1 land hands are bad.

>>53717855
Yea you can use his -X to fetch artifacts, and that would be a nice source of mana.

Speaking of artifacts, is darksteel citadel the only legal artifact land? most of the ones i've seen that are for the proper WUBRG colors are banned. probably because of how ubercancer affinity was

>>53750702
>is darksteel citadel the only legal artifact land
Yes.
>probably because of how ubercancer affinity was
Correct.

>>53750828
good to know, thanks anon.

now, back onto a different subject.

is UB tezzuret control still good or no?

Guys I need your help. I cannot find anything and I have a bet with my friend.
I need to know every deck successfully brought from standard to modern. Decks that were so good in modern that broke into other formats in general (f.e. Birthing Pod)

What are the odds that Shadow decks get nerfed/banned? I start to fear Street Wraith's ban

>>53750955
Twin
Jund
Faeries to some extent
Some Valakut decks

Other shit

>>53750955
Nobody plays it, but Abzan Reianimator from Scars-Innistrad standard is totally playable. Add a Siege Rhino or two, and thoughtsize and you have a deck that is just nuts.I'll put the list together in just a sec.

>>53750998
I would hit Traverse if anything. No need to kill Living End as well.

>>53751091
Jund Shadow isn't the overpowered one though, its grixis shadow that has 13 day two decks and 4 top 8s.

>>53751091
DSJ isn't even top dog anymore girxis shadow is

Ban Fatal Push
It was a mistake.

>>>53751198
oh no, playable removal that can hit tarmogoyf without giving up tempo

>>53751198
REEE TIMMY SMASH TIMMY WANT MORE CREATURES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53751264
I want to be able to do damage with my cats >:^(

>>53751198

>t. Assblasted infect baby

Blog time:

>visit parents as I want to lend some old vinyls
>they keep them at the attic with all the other old stuff
>start the treasure hunt
>instead of vinyls find an old deckbox
>2x vesuva, 3x lotus bloom, academy ruins, 3x glimmervoid a playset of Master of Etherium (foils), Tolarian Academy plus a pile of crap

I guess I'm gonna trade this Friday like one big motherfucker. I really need some marsh flats.

>>53751624
>vinyls

>>53751624
>lend

>>53751802
>not enjoying the superior pops and hisses of vinyl
>not collecting vinyl as a means to elevate yourself apart from the other plebeians
>not spending big $$$ on speakers and sound systems instead of more MTG

>>53751915
>being this cringy

>>53751915
Fuck off back to /mu/ audiofile this is MTG

>>53751802
t. mp3 156kbps

>>53751936
>not being a massive cringelord
I bet you dress casually for tournaments

>>53750275
>t-they can't ban Death's Shadow
>black needs it!

>tfw Tron will get banned in your lifetime

Based Eldrazi helping to get things banned

>>53752350
>deck with only a few day 2 finishes
>not the deck with 13 day 2 finishes and 4 top 8s

>>53752409
Eldrazi Tron is on the rise

and Tron is inherently cancerous in modern because there is such a lack of land removal options

I guarantee banning it would be a popular decision

>>53752527
Grixis Shadow has a good sideboard plan against tron though, they will just play more anti tron tech and swarm GP Vegas's day 2 meta.

>>53752527
>I guarantee banning it would be a popular decision
Only for blue-fags and the less cool midrange players.

>>53752706
Nobody really likes Eldrazi. They are a mistake and only get by via having a sol land.

and regular Tron is so boring that I'd rather it get banned. It's match ups are so boring and one-sided that they might as well not be played.

Instead the Tron player should just ask if the other player is on combo or aggro and if they are Tron should just scoop instead of wasting time.

>>53752803
Tron helps keep the real cancer at bay. I salute them.

>>53750275
Metagame is not all about power level, it is also fashion. People like to play the brand new decks, just like clothing. Remember Jeskai Nahiri?
There are decks that never stopped to be good but see less play just because people want to play other decks.
If you want to talk about diversity than you should look at every viable deck in the format. Every deck that has some edge of being competitive. There is plenty of them actually.
The only bad period I remember is the eldrazi winter because every deck turned to be bad against eldrazi before the ban of eye of ugin.
Company decks never ceased to be good, UWR control is returning for no fucking reason because it left the meta for no fucking reason (other than fashion), Junk sees a little more play, Esper is a thing, even Amulet is making tops.
Jund is underlooked right now but it is still a bad ass deck, see last Reid Duke's perfomance.
A couple weeks ago, one of my friends at locals (a big money guy who can build litteraly every deck in every format) told me after I ask his point on Grixis Shadow that "it is pointless to play grixis, jund is way stronger: Traverse, Tarmo that beats you potentially for 6 on turn 2...". He was playing Grixis shadow last friday night. Not a single card has changed in the Grixis build since then, but his point of view changed because you know, everybody plays that.

>>53752993
>"it is pointless to play grixis, jund is way stronger: Traverse, Tarmo that beats you potentially for 6 on turn 2..."
your friend is a retard.

>>53752803
As a combo player that's not true. If they win the coinflip and get to be on the play t3 karn -3, t4 karn -3 new karn -3 is backbreaking and you're unlikely to recover before they find an ulamog or a fucking worldbreaker. I've lost to that exact line more than once playing shit that's supposed to be favored like titanshift and living end

>>53753261
>>53753261
>>53753261

whenever