Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>53713412
So I have through 7th and plan on into 8th run infantry heavy Tau, because Fire Warriors a best. I was thinking 1 fire warrior squad with Carbines to every 2 with Rifles. Thoughts?

>>53713463
I could see it working- Carbines used to be pretty clearly inferior to Rifles (pinning wasn't worth much, the 3" longer 2-shot range wasn't enough to balance out losing 12" of max range), but now that Assault units can Advance and still shoot, Carbine-FW can act as more mobile troops.

>>53713439
How long did you wait for a new thread to post that?

>>53713439
Eh, too forced

>>53711734

We need a regiment from a very "gang-rule" hive world, where your commander stands in full fur-coat wearing a purple feather pimp hat using rules such as this!

>>53713492
That's my thinking as well. It was so damn difficult to actually advance on a position in 7th, Carbine warriors seem to actually be worth taking now

What faction seems to have the most effective Deep Strike capability in 8e? And does anyone know offhand which factions can do it?

>>53713287

They have the required keywords, but they lack the act of faith special rule.

Read as written, this means Celestine and the imagifiers can grant them an act of faith, but they can't benefit from the army wide one. It's hard to tell if that's intentional or just badly worded.

Go to store to buy paint.
forget list
get there
buy paints
come home, realize i only bought one paint on my list.

FUCK.

i mean i like the other colours i bought but i completely forgot why i wanted certain colours until i got home.

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Wait, so apparently in melee Halberds are now equal to Staves or something?

>>53713566
The vast majority of DS options let you set aside units to later drop into the field greater than 9" away from nearest enemy. Are you looking for the faction with the greatest amount of DS, or ones with extra DS abilities?

Tervigon can allow other 'nids to DS with it.

>>53713579
Whatever. They look 100x better

>>53713566

I dunno
Lots of things that can deepstrike in basically identical ways

>20 plastic MkIII or MKIV Marines from GW is $100
>the same plastic kit plus 20 shoulders, 10 heads, and 5 torsos is $115 from forgeworld

What did GW mean by this?

>>53713646
>buying Manlet marines

>>53713412
>my crotch is an XV25 suit
>your argument is invalid

>>53713566
Tyranids probably

9th edition when??

Would any of you be interested in some writefaggotry I did out of boredom?

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Have you played against Tau yet?

What were they using?

Who won?

>>53713566
IG has the cheapest deep striking units as troops, iirc.

Which army has the most possible combinations of units and upgrades?

Tau?

Are Grey Knights looking viable this edition, or are they sitting on the shelf again?

>>53713588
Both, I guess? I'm looking for something that you can play like old Raven Guard where (at least from what i've read, I didn't play then) you're holding a fuckton in reserve then plop them down at once to deliver high alpha. I was thinking 50% units with Deep Strike paired with high alpha/long range units. Ideally the units on the table at the start would be sturdy enough to survive the opponent's first turn if you go second, then you'd unload everything on your turn.

>>53713771
Tau Crisis Suits are probably the single most customizable unit right now, but 8e really bumped up their price. Tyranids have a fair amount of options?

>>53713579
There's also zero difference between a power maul and a power lance.

>>53713439
Just like last time little bobby. Gotta make it seem ambiguious and not intended as an insult to anyone but the noiselet. The chad marine player shouldn't realize he's triggering the autism of the manlet and his infirior models.

>>53713802
You probably want some flavor of assault-oriented SM, a lot have jetpack deployment that gives them DS.

Of possible interest is that Summoning in 8e is now a really strange version of deep-strike, where you pay for the units you summon, but don't need to pick them until you summon, and the summoning itself isn't a psychic power.

>>53713646
>buying directly from GW

>>53713777
they raaaaape everything

>>53713764
I was leaning towards IG for this:
>>53713802
I was thinking something like Scions+Assassins+artillery. Maybe manticores and a couple HWS mortars bubblewrapped in conscripts.

>>53713802
You just need a pair of transports to survive a turn

>>53713777
they look alright, dreadknight got curbed and they're about the same speed. not sure if that puts them above or just at daemons level

i know a few who play grey knights nearby so it's time to get some revenge for my daemons

>>53713566
IMO, GK for best alpha strike, nids for highest chance of turn one DS charge, and IG for point efficiency.

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>ffw your primarch is dead and will never come back

>>53713579
No. Force staves are +2S -1AP, Halberds are +1S -2AP. Nemesis staves in particular confer a 5+ invuln in melee or add +1 to an existing invuln. So yes, take storm shields and warding staves on your GK librarians for 2+ invuln in melee.

1850 of Thousand Sons

Daemon Prince of Tzeench 189
Sorcerer with jump pack, axe and combi-bolter 132

2x10 Rubrics with Soulreaper Canon 490
2x10 Tzaangors 140
Five Rubrics with Warpflamers 185
Rhino with combi-bolters and havoc launcher 85

SoT termies with missile rack and soulreaper 266

Maulerfiend 161
Predator with las turret and sponsons 202

DP is the Warlord, and he will be hanging out with two Rubric squads and the Predator giving them his aura and using Prescience to buff them up. Tzaangors will be meatshields on the middle on the board, while Maulerfiends and Rhino with Warpflame Rubrics are taking a flank each. Sorcerer and termies are in reserve, either reacting to enemy's deepstrikes or attacking opportune targets, with sorc using warpfate to ensure that termies will get their charge.

Thoughts? Should i swap puppy or pred out for a Heldrake?

>>53713894
I like that idea too. Cheap HWS and Sentinels to cover the 50% on the table rule, then everything else deepstrikes.
>It's raining men

Just finished Imperial Knights page. Now have the main T'au stuff, BA, and IK. Requests for next? Default is working on Necrons.

Newfag here, need a link to the online visual list builder please!

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>>53713949
>tfw your factories build a new primarch every day

>>53713979
It's only updated with a few factions, you'll need to be patient. It's literally the first google result for "40k list builder"

https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/

>>53713978
For what?
I request Dark Angels.

>>53713978
GCS? they should be pretty quick since a lot of it is IG stuff.

>>53713949
Ferrus Mannus?

I- Is deathwatch ok in this edition ? They were really meh in the last one

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>>53713777
Massively buffed all around. Literally the only downside is that new deep strike doesn't let you hit with incinerators right away due to the range.

>>53713412
How did Shadowsun survive getting impaled on a lightning claw?

>>53713998
Check the bottom link in the OP, I've been working on a giant google-sheet calculating damage outputs and damage-cost-efficiencies for various units versus various targets.

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So I have a considerable mechanized force of imperial fists third company marines. Ive got the starter set coming so I've got some chads to paint soon. Im trying to decide what I want to do with them - add to my company? Make them ultras for the guilliman I painted to hang out with? Make a Successor fists chapter and finally escape the tyranny of yellow armor? I can't decide!

>>53713949
>Woooooh
>I am the ghost of Ferrusss Manusss
>I want my stickyyy
>Woooooh

>>53713566
CSM have to be on the list for giant Terminator squad plus warptime.

>>53713995
Yes, to be rapidly ground to dust in 8'th.

>>53713978
Grey Knights please kind sir.

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>Cheetah anons are such idiots that they out themselves by their own will and get themselves banned yet again, rather than finding someway to infiltrate and avoid being rightfully punished

>>53714010
They're still shit I'm afraid. Maybe next time buddy.

>>53714007
Of course who else?

>>53713566
Nids, Scions, Grey Knights, and Blood Angels, imo

>>53714039
How should they even infiltrate?

>>53713949
Sorry for your loss, Alpharius

Any updated army list builder yet? I'd like to start mussing about.

>>53713949
Ghostrider Ferrus when

>>53713978
Imperial Guard. We don't have anything on any of the list builders that I know of, and the thing I cludged up on Battlescribe only gets me so far.

>>53713998
>>53714001
>>53714038
DA, GSC, and GK added to to-do list in that order. I suppose I should actually do the main SM units at some point, so people can compare versus things like basic Tacticals...

>>53714027
Can confirm Scarab occult are pretty brutal with this as well.

>>53714076
I'm doing damage-calcs, not making a list-builder, sorry. The main visual list-builder is actively being updated for 8th, it'll likely be done in a couple of weeks.

>>53714056
Not shitposting is probably the best option
Maybe having more subtle shitposts or something? Or maybe don't respond to everything with tons upon tons of kek, lmao, cheetahs, etc? I dunno.

>>53714077
Thanks m8 I'll keep an eye out. Are you storing these anywhere for public viewing? Google doc or something?

>>53714076
Nevermind, just realized who you are. Sorry about that.
Where are the rules on half of your army being on the board? Looked through the rulebook and couldn't find anything about that.

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>>53714046
Had that feeling while reading their rules. I'm so sad I can't play my lovely models

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>>53713995
That's not quite the right caliber, I think. This is more like it, and you literally cannot hurt it with anything less than knocking off D3HP with a D weapon less than half the time you hit it if it is properly positioned.

Also Breath of the Gods > Emperor, Hereteks forever.

>>53713949
I'm just hoping some how the Sanguinar is like the spirit of Sanguinius and they find a way to revive him.

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>>53714120
It's in the section about matched play. Bottom right.

>>53713949
Hopefully doen has done better than his hand.

>>53714117
Check bottom link in the OP, it's all on a public-view google sheet.

>>53714129
>my army is not OP so I can't play
fag

>>53714120
It doesn't specify that it's half your units by #. I choose to interpret it as half by weight and bring 1 metal vehicle model + 90% deep striking infantry

When were you when Nids were T1?

MS Paint challenge.

>Ork boys first day in Dakka school

>>53714152
>>53714163
It literally does. Keked anyway though.

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>>53714186
Orks do not go to school.

>>53713439
>Deep strike
found the only clue that says this post is false, deep strike dosent exist

>>53714148

Sanguinor isn't Sanguinius, it's the ghost or survivor of one of Sanguinius's original Sanguinary Guard bodyguards who drew lots to become Sangunius's representative, the two last lots had one killed and the other had the mask seared onto his face so none of the others would know which SG survived and he would truly become Sanguinius's representative by throwing away his own identity

That was the first original Sanguinor

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>>53714189
I interpret "number" to be weight. Weight is a number

>>53714129
Armies will be rebalanced when the codices come out so don't worry.

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Who won between the Crud's Howling Griffons and Genestealer Cultists?

>>53714247
Unfortunately, Crud won through retreating his captain around the end if I recall.

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>>53714242
At last I truly see.

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>>53714141
>hull points
>d weapons
Where do you think you are

>>53714235
>That was the first original Sanguinor
Which is irrelevant. That's not what the current Sanguinor is. It's some sort of Warp entity.

>>53714247
Howling Griffons by a hair. It came down to a Razorback exploding and killing a bunch of cultists around it.

>>53714273
Sounds like a fun game.

>>53714242
>Weight is a number
No it isnt

It can be represented by a number

so im reading dark imperium, and theres a part where guilliman is back on home planet in ultramarine space, and hes remembering way back when, and one of his thoughts is where for a brief period the primarch Sanguinius had sat as Emperor, when did that ever happen?

Will IA Fires of Cyraxus give the Admech access to other imperium vehicles like HH?

>>53714283
It was cool, I hope it makes it into the lore as a fluff blurb.

>>53714162
I'm not searching an OP army, I just want to have fun with my army (that's why I've modelled it whithout looking at the rules) but DW is extremely weak and therefore not fun to play.

>>53714265
Well, it lacks newer rules, but a direct port would still have it a complete monster. Dropping the strength of incoming shooting by 3/2/1 over T1/2/3 remains cool as shit, and it's probably packing about 50 wounds.

How would you even do the weapon? 7" wide beam of AP2 PinningArmourbaneInstantDeath with variable strength is a little fiddly without a template to use.

>>53714309
Unremembered Empire.

>>53714284
this

>>53714343
ah, thanks, havent got that far in HH yet

>>53714267

Yeah the Warp entity of the original sanguinor you dumbass

>>53714326
If they made it into a fluff blurb, how do you think it would describe the battle overall? A tactical retreat? Cowardice that lead to an eventual victory?

>>53714331
what's wrong with it?

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>>53713439
>>53713831
>samefagging this fucking hard

GW employee plebbit is over 'dere.

>>53714370
You're not reading the books in chronological order, are you?

>>53714413
Heavy casualties suffered by the marines during a tactical retreat.

>>53714024
>finally escape the tyranny of yellow armor
whats so bad about yellow armor?

Well fuck I just notice my DCA and Crusaders lost access to their Landraider Crusader.

Also how much love it went to Imperium 1 versus the mess that is Imperium 2 sucks ass.

>look at the pistol list
>there is no pistol list

>>53714464
Not him, but it's a bitch to paint well.

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>>53714021
You've piqued some autism of my own apparently

>>53714416
Base units and wargears cost so much, you can't really make a squad fully customize because 5 E4 3+ guys will cost you an arm and a leg... Also the lack of codex variety is kind of sad.

I guess the only way to have a decent list is to spam the 2 or 3 good choices but that not how I want to play them.

Posted this yesterday. Would like some additional feedback before I commit to buy.

Deathguard

<Battalion Detachment>

-HQ-
Lord of Contagion - Plaguereaper - 184
Malignant Plaguecaster - Corrupted Staff - 110
Noxious Blightbringer - Cursed Plague Bell, Plasma Pistol - 80

-Troops-
Poxwalkers x19 - 114
Poxwalkers x20 - 120
Plague Marines x7 - Plasma Gun, Plaguesword, Power Fist - 183
Plague Marines x7 - Plasma Gun, Plaguesword, Power Fist - 183

-Tranports-
Chaos Rhino - Combi-bolter, Combi-flamer - 81
Chaos Rhino - Combi-bolter, Combi-flamer - 81

-Fast Attack-
Foetid Bloat-drone - Plaguespitters x2, Plague Probe - 158

<Vanguard Detachment>

-HQ-
Typhus - Manreaper, Destroyer Hive - 164

-Elites-
Helbrute - Twin Lascannon, Power Scourge - 165
Helbrute - Helbrute Fist w/ Heavy Flamer, Power Scourge - 172

-Heavy Support-
Chaos Predator - Twin Lascannon, Lascannon x2 - 202

Total - 1997
Command Points - 7

>>53714464
Just not fun to paint, bro. The fist yellow is done mostly with transparent yellow layers do fixing goofs of any color on the yellow is a pain and hard to get smooth. It just ends up being more stressful than painting armor that relies more on a nice, darker base color IMO.

Working on Sammael - When his Raven Sword gives the strength-buff for charging, is that changing his S+1 to Sx2, or is it a x2 on top of the +1?

>>53714541
Oooh, very nice! A fair bit more detailed then the rough tables I'm producing. That'll be fantastic for trying different variations of weapons and upgrades. I may eventually do something closer to that for Tau Crisis/Commanders.

>>53714500
Yep. Gotta put them in an immolator or sisters rhino now. Anyone trying to play around Inquisition henchmen was probably the most boned of anyone by 8th. AM and Sisters are pretty solid though.

>>53714579
I'll probably just write up an "enter your own values" sheet and post it here later.

>>53714527
>>53714561
yellow is the bitch diva of colors. This isn't a model thing, this is a every paint ever thing.
It will turn brown or green at the slightest bit of mixing. It covers other colors even worse than white, and will be turn green or brown if you have the slightest bit of translucency left.

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>>53714168
still wondering if exalted seeker chariots got better or worse. big risk vs consistency i guess

>in formation does 5d6 hammer of wrath, 5++, 12", 5 attacks, gank the rider to win, most of the time hits on 3s, 4 hp, s3.
>HoW based on models in contact, 5+ HoW, hits does mortal wounds, 8 steed attacks, 2-8 rider attacks, free whip, 2+, s4, 10 wounds. 92 points

>>53714561
>>53714612
Why is yellow paint so fucked up?

It is fucking impossible to buy a plastic solitaire anywhere now. What the fuck. The last one on eBay sold a week ago for almost double retail.

>>53714579
The +1 becomes x2. So its base strength x 2

Hey guys Shadow War Armageddon player here

It seems everyone at my place is ditching Shadow War for a few months due to 8e (Played the last game tonight)

I want to get into 40k 8e and play some Space Wolves.

Is it worth getting a regular tactical or assault squad; or should I just wait for the Primaris kits and not bother with old manlet marine units?

>>53714589
I runned a lot of Inquisition Henchmen. Those 2 acolyte and psyker for 18 points was my thing.
Sitting them behind Exorcist giving them Prescience was fun.

AM and AS got odd to say the least. Repentias are still rather bad.

>trying to charge a stormsurge with tank and 2 other squads
>send my tank in first to try to lock it down and let my marines charge in without taking OW
>fires 11 rockets, then 8 more missiles, then 8 cannon shots
>has the rerollable OW and AP+1 systems so it actually gets a few hits through
>still alive
>he uses the big gun
>close range
>2 shots
>0 hits
>reroll
>2 hits
>STRENGTH FUCKING FOURTEEN
>AP FIVE
>6 damage per hit
>tank blows up before even rolling to charge
>roll to explode
>6
>kill 3 of my own guys with the explosion

Th-thanks GW....

>>53714630
Yellow is a weak pigment. It's just how it works chemcially. There are techniques to make it easier though, and you can always start with a yellow spray.

>>53713777
To my understanding everything is too overcosted to be viable against horde armies.

>>53714631

Solitaire is the best damage dealing HQ in 8E that's why. They literally fly around jumping off heads and melting and dicing everything on the table just like their fluff

Ad Mech - Battalion - +3 CP

Dominus - 7
Dominus - 7
Kastellan - 12
Datasmith - 3
Destroyer - 10
Destroyer - 10
10 Vanguard - 8
10 Vanguard - 8
10 Vanguard - 8
10 Vanguard - 8
Dune Crawler - 6
Dune Crawler - 6
Dragoon - 3
Dragoon - 3

99

Using PP as I'm 99% that's what my group will be using, there's only one mong that I think will abuse them so we'll see

>>53714632
Thanks for the clarification!

And wow, SM have a lot of rerolls.

>>53714544
Vanguard detachment has 3 compulsory elite choices, not 2.

>>53714631
i feel your pain anon

>just realized i wanna use 1k sons in 8th
>already finished a squad of them back in 7th before wrath of magnus complete plastic kit comes out
>now i need a conversion for the soulreaper cannon

not that much for oop finecast heads and i guess a deathwatch fragcannon would work

>>53714657
That what you get for not following the Four-Armed Emperor brother.

>>53714682
I would cut a Vanguard squad and pick up another Crawler and another Dragoon, since that's perfect 100 and Crawlers work rather well in groups, plus you can always use another stabby bastard bot. Otherwise, it's an Admech list. They are generally pretty standard due to lack of options until IA14. I wouldn't be surprised if that makes over half the list Forge World.

>>53713412
So why is nobody talking about Saint Celestine not having the "Only one of this model can be included in your army" rule?

You can literally spam Saint Celestines now.

>>53714645
Space Wolves have unique organization that may not be duplicated by Primaris, so it's probably worth while to get some regular marines. Grey Hunters are sweet since they can get Bolters, pistols, and chainswords making them tactical/assault hybrids. Blood Claws on the other hand are great cheap assault troops, try them with jump packs.

>>53714651
>Repentias are still rather bad.
I disagree. Letting them use transports and ditching initiative fixed their major problems.

>>53714747
Who's that dude on the left?

>>53714761
Been talked to death slowbro

Obvious FAQ

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>>53714761
forgot the image

>>53714761
Because it's an obvious oversight that will be FAQed immediately.

>>53714791
solar auxiliary

>>53714753
>playing a noiselet

NO THANKS

>>53714761
Oh boy, I'm going straight out to buy 10 saint celestine models. This is an absolutely brilliant use of my money given there's no way this will ever be corrected.

>>53713969
Isn't Rhino with combi bolter 83? Or are you having two combi bolters for some reason?

Also you're using force axes for your aspirings? Seems best but hard to convert.
Would maybe suggest going force staff on your sorcerers and swapping maulerfiend for a Helbrute.

>>53714802
Honestly these meme is pretty forced

>>53714787
They are still a T3 model with a 7+/6++

>>53714761
Obvious oversight. Plus the FLG guys have already said she will be treated as unique at ITC events even if she doesn't see a FAQ immediately.

>>53714854
Maybe if noiselets werent so small and weak they could push back

>>53714761

Plently of dank memes popped up in Warhammer TV streams about it and Rob even said something along the lines of

"If you want to be so bold as to buy a dozen Celestines be our guest, we're sure it totally won't be fixed in the first line in the first 8th FAQ"

Do we know the rules for Secutarii Hoplites yet?

>>53714802
... a noiselet? What do they have to do with it?

>>53714867
>thinking they'll be so small once the update hits
They'll use their Slaanesh approved thunder thighs to strangle the innocent Primaris marines and force them into homosex so they become slaves to pleasure and Slaanesh's numbers expand

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Kult of Speed List

++ Outrider Detachment (Orks) [32 PL, 685pts] ++

+ HQ +

Warboss on Bike [5 PL, 130pts]: Attack Squig, Kombi-Skorcha, Power Klaw

+ Fast Attack +

Stormboyz [9 PL, 185pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 19x Stormboy

Stormboyz [9 PL, 185pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 19x Stormboy

Stormboyz [9 PL, 185pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 19x Stormboy

++ Outrider Detachment (Orks) [44 PL, 853pts] ++

+ HQ +

Warboss on Bike [5 PL, 130pts]: Attack Squig, Kombi-Skorcha, Power Klaw

+ Fast Attack +

Warbikers [13 PL, 241pts]
. Boss Nob on Bike: Power Klaw
. 7x Warbiker

Warbikers [13 PL, 241pts]
. Boss Nob on Bike: Power Klaw
. 7x Warbiker

Warbikers [13 PL, 241pts]
. Boss Nob on Bike: Power Klaw
. 7x Warbiker

++ Supreme Command Detachment (Orks) [23 PL, 460pts] ++

+ HQ +

Big Mek on Bike [6 PL, 110pts]: Big Choppa, Kustom Force Field

Big Mek on Bike [6 PL, 110pts]: Big Choppa, Kustom Force Field

Big Mek on Bike [6 PL, 110pts]: Big Choppa, Kustom Force Field

Warboss on Bike [5 PL, 130pts]: Attack Squig, Kombi-Skorcha, Power Klaw

++ Total: [99 retard points, 1998 big boy points] ++

The plan is to organize them into blobs, with the Warboss and Big Mek at the center, each surrounded by a Warbiker unit, with a screen of Stormboyz out front, hopefully all within 9" for the 5++ from the KFF.
Each big blob advances up their side of the side, relying on the Stormboyz, Dakkaguns, and Kombi-skorchas for clearing infantry, and all the PKs for punching big n' scaries.
Last turn is using the inherent speed of whatever's left to snag objectives real quick.
Think it could work, or are my dreams just memes?

>>53714798
Wait a second does this mean I can use multiple special characters?

Is there a special character that says it can only be used once?

>>53714922
All of them but her.

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I just noticed the 3 Lord of War detachment is +2CP. That could lead to some pretty nasty stuff with those Forge World Giant Chaos Spawn, they're cheap and smashy and can use those CP to reroll their random attack dice if they keep that.

>>53714754

Not sure if I can have another heavy, I'll check but thanks

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>>53714854
Into the Warp you go.

>>53714908
10/10 Would lose with my GK against.

Anyone else get a notification that their 8e stuff shipped?

>>53714933
Maybe it is not an oversight?

Oh who I'm kidding, it is surprising SoB have rules.

Also poor Vyridian is gone.

>>53714631
Wtf? It's not like it's going out of production? What kind of maniac can't wait a week or so to not pay scalp prices for his plastic?

>>53714802
Um... the four-armed emperor isn't Slaanesh.

>>53714854
>>53714895
>angry little noiselet detected

>>53714950
Kek, what is this art from?

>>53714950

Full pic?

>>53714544
Blightbringer is Elite, just move him to the Vanguard detachment.

You also can't bring 19 pox walkers and your rhinos are not accounting for the cost of the combi bolters.

So you're 10 points off. Could shave 7 points by running two 165 hellbrutes or remove one combi flamer

>>53714703
Added two Blight Launchers to each Plague Marine squad, removed the combi-flamers from the rhinos, replaced the predator with another Helbrute.

<Battalion Detachment>

-HQ-
Lord of Contagion - Plaguereaper - 184
Malignant Plaguecaster - Corrupted Staff - 110
Noxious Blightbringer - Cursed Plague Bell, Plasma Pistol - 80

-Troops-
Poxwalkers x19 - 114
Poxwalkers x20 - 120
Plague Marines x7 - Blight Launcher x2, Plasma Gun, Plaguesword, Power Fist - 211
Plague Marines x7 - Blight Launcher x2, Plasma Gun, Plaguesword, Power Fist - 211

-Tranports-
Chaos Rhino - Combi-bolter - 72
Chaos Rhino - Combi-bolter - 72

-Fast Attack-
Foetid Bloat-drone - Plaguespitters x2, Plague Probe - 158

<Vanguard Detachment>

-HQ-
Typhus - Manreaper, Destroyer Hive - 164

-Elites-
Helbrute - Twin Lascannon, Power Scourge - 165
Helbrute - Twin Lascannon, Power Scourge - 165
Helbrute - Helbrute Fist w/ Heavy Flamer, Power Scourge - 172

Total - 1998
Command Points - 7

>>53714855
Well yes. But they're fucking lethal with two attacks at S6 AP-2 D2. With a Rhino to get them there and soak overwatch and the new charge rules ensuring they get to at least hit at least once they can finally do their job. Previously they'd often all die before even swinging. If they all had power armor they'd be a LOT more expensive.

I haven't read any of the core rules yet for the new edition, so can anyone just tell me what the new column labeled 'D' is on the equipment? Almost looks like an 'O' in the scans.

>>53713658
>working for gw

>>53715028
Damage

>>53715028
Read the rules. It's the Damage stat, as weapons now can inflict damage greater than one with a successful hit.

Could any lovely human provide me with the resources i need to make an 8th Edition Black Templar list? I could really use it for a game with friends!

>>53714761
it's an oversight.
They put out several hundred pages of rules, a couple of bits are going to be missed.
There are a few others one. Master of Ordinance doesn't barrage as part of his wargear for example.

>>53715058
First link in the OP. You want Index Imperium I.

>>53715058
Too many pages to post one at a time. The link the leaks is the first one in the OP. You'll want Imperium 1.

>>53715059
>couple of

More like fuckloads of

>>53715059
Its not like GW actually gave a damn for their non marines armies.

>>53715058
Leaked indexes should be in the links, marshal-kun.

>>53715080
>>53715076
Thankyou so much!

Why does GW hate Ordo Xenos now?

You'd think with them being buddies with Deathwatch would mean that the inquisition would get love too.

>>53715015
>Blightbringer is Elite

Another thing I wouldn't have noticed. I just assumed he was an HQ since he was a character.

>Can't bring 19 pox walkers

What? Why's that?

>>53715059

And the wu tang clan allies thing

>>53714665
No it's a more expensive pigment, so because citadel paints all cost the same they put less pigment in.

>>53715108
>now
They've always been the least favored Ordo.

>>53715008
GW pls back to facebutts

>>53715112
that is not an oversight. That's people insisting on acting like idiots.
>>53715082
actual oversights and not "i don't like this rule" or "i'm going to pretend to be an idiot".
I've noticed and/or been pointed out a half dozen.
That's hardly a fuckload.
Feel free to list them if you want to prove me wrong.

>>53715024
>>53714544
Can only have 2 ranged upgrades on your plague marines, so you need to cut a plasma gun or blight launcher.

Rules say you need to pay for under strength unit even if you don't have it fully. Your old list with a few changes was fine desu.

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>>53715010
>>53715011
Found it.

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>>53713959
>Wielding a staff and shield in melee

Fucking how? Did they just go full retard and do away with the 2h rule?

>>53715108
>doesn't even have one (1) named character
>hereticus have two (2)
top kek

>>53715110
You can bring 19 pox walkers. You might be led to believe that you have to take them ten by ten but that is only for power purposes.

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>>53715108
GW has always boned the ordo xenos. Briefly had a special character in 5th and some wargear, but like everything inquisition, its been slowly bled away for like 6 editions now. At least you can have an inquisitor hang out with a kill team in a corvus blackstar now.

I hope you didn't think you'd finally get access to a refractor field by the way, because you can't even have power armor now without being greyfax or coteaz

>>53713969
No one plays 1850 anymore, 2000 is the new tournament standard

>>53715205
8th isn't even out yet.

>>53715179

What's that Apothecary doing to his neck

>>53715179
Pretty rad art, desu. I wonder where they're fighting. This from the new rulebook?

>>53715237
Getting the gene-seed out.

>>53715237
newfaggerino

>>53715237
Collecting gene-seed from what I assume is the primaris equivalent of an apothecary narthecium.

>>53715231
It is for the tournament organizers who have been playtesting it for the last year and a half and decided on the standard points and detachment limits they would all be using.

>>53715179
Fucking hell. Those medical servitors...

>>53715201
I wasn't hoping for anything new, I just didn't want to lose what we already had.

Even before this we at least had fun support equipment. Now we've lost everything except the fucking needle pistol, which even acolytes can equip now.

Even our Ordo Xenos special rule is totally worse than the other two.

>>53715271
>are you satisfied with your care?

>>53715237
When two people like each other very much, they do the adult hug

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>>53715179
is this the comfiest portrayal of space marines we've ever seen? i mean shit look at this guy

Is it better to run rough riders in 2 squads of 5 or 1 squad of 10?

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>>53713412
How are there any Thousand Sons left? I image most died on Prospero and between their geneseed being incredibly unstable and living in the warp it must be very difficult to make new Marines. Surely ten thousand years of war has killed off all but a handful of those who lived during the Great Crusade. How have they not faded from existence?

My mother's husband wants to join me in playing warhammer, what army should he play?

>>53715321
Magnus can resurrect them at will, for one.

>>53715170
The Plasma Gun is on the Champion while the Blight Launchers are on the normal Plague Marines.

>>53715313
fuck. I now love this.
For once showing that yes, they are superhuman and have increadible endurance.
But the fights done, so they finally sit down for a moment.

Does anyone know what you have to take in order to heal Guilliman??

>>53715316
General rule of thumb is MSU for shooting and huge squads for melee.

>riders can't take snipers
>sadmongol.jpg

>>53715313
>heh heh heh stupid heretics

>>53715321
It's be confirmed that the Rubric of Ahriman can be repeated on other marines.

>>53715313

If you just got done taking down a Warlord Chaos Titan you'd be chillin too.

Also the lore portrays them as more laid back and human.

>>53715321
>and between their geneseed being incredibly unstable and living in the warp it must be very difficult to make new Marines
Anon...
>what is the rubric hurrr

>>53715313
He's watching that titan wreck some shit.

I just noticed that Dreadclaw too.

What're y'all's Tau armies looking like this edition? I'm having a hard time fitting marker lights in numbers where it seems like they'd make a difference without gimping my fire power against one kind of target or another. Are they even worth it, or should I just squeeze in that second broadside?

>>53715326
T'au

>>53715336
>>53715321
Also, it's been hinted at fairly heavily that there's been multiple sorcerers who have created a much smaller-scale version of the Rubric - so while it takes a whole lot of trial and error, they can create new ones. That's how a bunch of the Black Legion Rubrics came about, IIRC

>>53715365
They can also return the spirits to empty suits of armor.

>>53715326
What about telling him the basic lore and see what he likes best?

>>53715387
Markerlights aren't worth shit anymore unless you're building your entire list around them.

>>53715179
>that guy chucking a chaos dude off the edge
Damn

Babby's first dark eldar gunboat list. Anything I should change before going ahead and building the models with these options? Only thing I'm going to outright ignore is suggestions to switch to ynnari, because fuck that noise.

Dark eldar patrol detachment.

>HQ
Archon with blaster, huskblade & phantasm grenade launcher - 82
(Hitches a lift with the trueborn.)

>Troops
10 kabalite warriors with blaster & splinter cannon, sybarite with agoniser & phantasm grenade launcher - 122
Raider with dark lance - 115

5 kabalite warriors with blaster, sybarite with agoniser & phantasm grenade launcher - 57
Venom with 2 splinter cannons - 95

>Elites
5 kabalite trueborn with 2 blasters & 2 splinter cannons, sybarite with agoniser & phantasm grenade launcher - 122
Raider with disintegrator cannon - 125

>Fast attack
5 scourges with 2 dark lances & 2 splinter cannons - 140

>Heavy support
Ravager with 3 dark lances - 155

>Total - 998 points

To the previous threads question about SoBs, vehicles, and faith:

>>53713287
>>53713154
SOB vehicles do not have the "acts of faith" rule. Only models with the "acts of faith" rule can "trigger" the effect or receive the effect (in reference to celestine and imagifiers).
Because auras are not used inside a vehicle, celestine give faith to a unit inside a vehicle, or a banner from inside a vehicle.
Faith is also bad because of the phase it starts in: before the movement phase.

So this means all faith must be conducted before any other actions: such as disembarking
You cannot, for instance, faith a unit of dominions inside a transport to disembark them as faith doesn't specify if its rules work inside transports. BRB says that models inside transports cannot be modified or touched without a rule that specifically states so.

This also REALLY makes seraphim quite bad. They cannot drop in, use faith to move or shoot, and then shoot again. Hand Flamers/Infernos are awful due to this.

>>53715387
They're definitely worth it, though used differently this edition. Used more to focus-fire priority targets.

Note that we no longer have a rule preventing the unit firing MLs from not benefiting from those MLs, so the 3pt ML on FW 'ui's is really nice. Aside from that, ML Drones are your friend.

>>53715179
I'm so glad they're finally not pulling punches with the violence in the art.

Reactionary fags saying they were making 40k more PG-13 for kids, removing Slaanesh etc. BTFO

>>53715261
Are you implying that everyone plays in tournaments and only in tournaments?

Is it true Cawl yelled out "I AM THE MECHANICUS!" when confronted about Heresy?

>>53715409
i think he's disposing of corpses

>>53715313
I think hes dragging the body of an iron warrior to hurl back over the battlements like his friend is doing in the background, not sitting down and chilling.

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>>53715417
It is almost like now one playtested or check this rules!

Oh wait no one did.

>>53715365
But what Marine would willingly stand still long enough to be transformed into a dusty slave?

>>53715417
>Faith
>Bad

>>53715179
So how can marines tell chaos from loyalists?

That green jumpsuit guy in the foreground looks pretty fucked up and heretical to me.

>>53715453
Ive raised the question in WarhammerTV streams and most of the time im just told im right. :/ So I doubt itll change without a codex coming out.

Since, you know, if that ever happens they'll ruin faith even harder.

One simple change would make current faith much better: Put it in the psychic phase.

>>53715467
I want the fucking newfags to go.

>>53715460
>Willingly

You answered you own question, anon

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>>53714908
>Not fielding 30 Grots for that 3+ BS

>>53715430
No I'm saying 2000 is the tournament standard so if you're playing games with people who want to use the tournament rules use that.

No one uses 1850 for casual games, that was the previous tournament standard.

>>53715407
>>53715424
Getting mixed signals here. Anybody around that could go into a little more detail on the topic? With the massive point increase on Devilfish, Broadsides, and Crisis I'm having trouble fitting everything in while also bringing ML support

>>53715336
I've heard that, but wasn't sure it was true.

>>53715377
I'm well aware of the Rubric, but the Rubric Marines hardly count as Thousand Sons anymore. It's the sorcerers who matter. They've always existed in very limited numbers (Amon's ship, the Sycorax, had around 36 if Ahriman: Exile is to be believed. Considering Amon was the most prominent Sorcerer in the Legion after Ahriman went into exile I can't imagine any other Lord commanding more). Between accidents, constant betrayals, and normal warfare it seems like their losses would far outweigh their ability to produce stable, psychically powerful, and loyal Marines.

>>53715467
that's a servitor.
A heretic would have fleshy mutations, not metal implant. And giant chaos symbols.

>>53715417
The rule reads "a unit from your army" it does not say it has to be on the table thou.

AM and AS rules are oddly written.

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>>53715313
whats he thinking about

>>53715441
To be fair, that corpse may not be all the way ded, he's just missing his legs so he's probably unable to prevent that angry wall brother from hurling his ass into the trash.

>>53714657
>not just shooting it to death.
Fuck is wrong with you?

>>53715480
I mean almost any CSM would fight to the death rather than let it happen, and I can't imagine their legion/warband would be too pleased about the abduction of their members.

>>53715417
>This also REALLY makes seraphim quite bad. They cannot drop in, use faith to move or shoot, and then shoot again. Hand Flamers/Infernos are awful due to this.

You do not have to drop Seraphim, and you can faith to shoot again the next turn. Basically it means you really want some HB Rets on foot to use with early turn faith points.

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>>53715326
you meming, bro?

>>53715491
so they recruit other sorcerers.
They might not have the same geneseed, but by this point who would care?

>>53715498
So you think you can use faith on marines there bud?
The "acts of faith" section is DEFINING the rule of "Acts of Faith" which only sister infantry units have. No vehicle or other units have it.

>>53713723
Nope.

They're all regrouping since their battlesuit-based armies are now quite nonviable outside of a 5000 points apocalypse showdown. Trying to get enough actual troops on the table to meet above-patrol detachment levels.

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>>53715437
That could be referencing a whole bunch of stuff I can't recall at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised. He gives precisely no fucks.

>>53715489
Markerlights are no longer consumed on use, so placing 5 MLs on a single target can benefit multiple of your units which focus-fire it to oblivion. This encourages larger ML-units as opposed to the old way of "just enough to reliably get 2 ML on a target". They also have more diverse and situational uses, such as reducing movement penalties or enabling missile-use. So if you want to be able to focus down large priority targets, you'd want a big old group (10 PF?), and if you wanted a unit to be particularly mobile or make use of missiles, you'd have a few ML models tag along. Pathfinders also have much better special weapons this time around, due to universal split-fire, so they're really just nice in general.

>>53715529
so by 'they' you mean people who played Tau only for the power, not because they like the army concept, look, lore, etc.

>>53715489
There's no mixed signals.

Used to be you could throw in a few markerlights and the list could benefit from their minor buffs. Or you could go whole hog with markerlights and rely on them to get your damfage done.

Now, in 8ED, you either go whole hog with a shit load of marker lights, seeker missiles, and units in range to use them.

Or don't take any at all.

>>53715525
No. You twat.

I was not going to write the entire rule, we know key words are a thing you fucking monkey.

Also Crusaders have AoF. It is not a SoB thing only.

The point is you can in theory give AoF to a unit that is not in the table. assuming they have the fucking AoF rules you insufferable bastard

>>53715543
Holy shit I never realised Cawl was the size of a fucking tank. Jesus Christ that makes him a lot more impressive to me now.

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Am I mistaken or can I take 4 Bomb Squigs for a unit of 5 Tankbustas + 1 Boss Nob.

>>53715549
I'm going to add to this.
Just being able to reroll 1's is more decent than people are acting, especially as it's not used up.
Run only a few markerlights and you can get that bonus to all your army firing at that unit.

it's half as good as +1BS for most Tau, but have two units firing and now it's back up to being as useful as old markerlights. And again, the unit firing the markerlight can use it.

>>53715566
see >>53715594

>>53715587
Yes you are mistaken. It's every 5 (tankbustas or boss nobz), not every 5 tankbustas, or a boss nob

>>53715587
Correct.

>>53715587
yeah, 5 tank busters and 1 nob, 6 models total, can bring 4 bomb squidlies.

>>53715587
You are mistaken. Nine Tankbustas and a Boss Nob could take four bomb squigs.

>>53715613
>>53715615
Wrong.

>>53715587
its 2 for every 5, so you'd need 10 orks for 4 squigs.

Is a dreadnought with twin lascannons and predator with 4 lascannons overkill in a 1500-2000pt setting?

>>53715576
He's about Carnifex sized. He is about perfect to use that Arc Scourge of his to arm-wrestle Kastelans. Given he's a Dominus, I wonder what kind of insane gainz the Malagra will be showing off. They hunt and personally beat down the worst of hereteks for a living, they terrify even the normal Archmagi.

>>53715638
Why would it be?

>>53715024
soo dreadnoughts are the same points cost as a deff dread... thats hilarious

>>53715612
You can't have 5 boss nobs in the squad

lrn2red

>>53715638
Depends on the meta, but generally speaking no.

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Can Pask give his own tank orders?

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>>53715357
apparently the poison can't be cured, only delayed. so when they brought him out of statis the elf kept his soul nearby and cawl made a suit to keep the poison from progressing. so guilliman can't leave his suit but seeing as he's the leader of the imperium it wouldn't be wise to take it off anyway

>>53715576
how did you miss that cawl is huge?

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>>53715633
>he doesn't know the difference between an inclusive "or" and an exclusive "or"

>>53715638
No, not at all. Lascannons are good vs. heavy targets but you still need a bunch of Lascannon shots to take the typical vehicle down.

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>>53715574
I'd be shocked if it was not FAQ'd that a unit outside of play can have any rules actually effect it.

But yes, the abilities section defines AoF and only units with it can use it. This rule does not specify it can be used when inside a vehicle.
Pic relateds second paragraph goes into this.
it is not specifically stated, at least for units inside vehicles.

>>53715665
Yes.

>>53715665
the rule that lets him command other commanders says "other" characters so I'm going to guess no

>>53715651
I never even implied you could, clearly you are the one who needs to learn to read.

>>53715667
I thought he was a bit bigger than the Dominus because my Dominus normally towers over my Skitarii infantry so I figured he couldn't be that huge or he'd look out of place.

I actually kind of love it though, imagine a horde of tin men marching forwards and then you spot this fucking monster scuttling forwards over the heads of the infantry with 800-sword tentacles about to carve you open.

>>53715684
But it can be use with Seraphims, so that is something.

At least how it is written right now

>>53715638
You kidding? A Pair of Predator Annihilators at 2000 points is fine! It'll cover most of your AT needs for pretty cheep, though you are putting a number of eggs in one basket.

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>>53715665
No because "can issue orders to OTHER Cadian Leman Russ Characters" does not include himself.

He is not an OTHER character.

If he could issue orders to himself the text would have simply been "can issue orders to Cadian Leman Russ Characters"

>>53715566
Stop being wrong, anon.

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>>53715667
>the emperor's finest are smaller than vat-grown quadruple amputees

kek, primaris was long overdue

>>53715667
How does he poop tho?

>>53715729
Every point you spent bringing a unit to the table with a markerlight would have been better spent bringing more guns to the table.

Either bring a bunch of markerlights and stuff to use them or bring none whatsoever.

>>53715667
Why did the elf help resurrect a monkey anyways?

>>53715587
Correct, and then an extra two squigs for every five more tank bustas.

>>53715756
Hot mon-keigh dick

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Fug, new plague bearers are an excellent medium between Chaos Cultists and Chaos Marines. I cant't believe they got cheaper and gained a FNP that can't be ignored.

>>53715719
That's pointless though. They do not "move" onto the board. You specifically come in via Sky Strike and cannot move. So, yes, you may be able to give them an AoF to use...but it does nothing.

As it is written now, faith is quite wobbly in its actual effect on the tabletop. Especially as it takes place within none of the tradtional "phases" of the turn order. A simply change of making faith take place in the psychic phase removes about 100% of the issues it has.

Damage calcs for DAngles are done, going to work on cost-efficiency calcs for them now.

>>53715756
The elf was mad salty at his chaos enemies so he decided to help his human enemies to get back at his chaos enemies.

>>53715594
>>53715566
>>53715549
Hmm. Well to me it seems marker drones (without a drone controller) are straight up useless now, which is kinda sad, since i'm not a huge pathfinder lover. I think for my first few games I'm going to try to get by with 0 ML support, which is weird feeling since it goes against what in my head is a pretty core part of the Tau aesthetic. If that sucks really terribly I'll try cutting some stuff for Pathfinders (which I own a ton of for some reason), Thanks for the help guys

>>53715756
the runes of fate predicted it was necessary to save themselves.

>>53715776
I hope no one is too offended I skipped the bikes - The page was super blurry, and I wanted to keep moving.

And apparently I missed Deathwing Terminators and Knights, so I guess I'm not done with damage calcs yet.

>>53715775
Yes I totally agree that AoF right now is not really functional.

To the point that having extra AoF is kind of pointless

>>53715667
He takes off armor in novel.

>>53715719
Not really. Using an act of faith on Seraphim that are "high in the sky" is useless. They don't deploy as a move but instead do so at the end of the movement phase. Basically anyone you want to Act need to have their feet on the tabletop at the start of the turn.

>>53715787
What makes you say that ML Drones are useless? Their only real downside versus PFs is being a bit more expensive and having -1 when lacking DC. In exchange, they're more heavily armored, flying, and can be taken alongside the vast majority of units in your army.

>>53715812
welp, shows what i know then

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>>53715707
I'm actually making a spider-archmagos out of the 30k Archmagos, some Kataphron Breacher parts and the Lord of the Rings metal Spider Queen. He's designed for the 60mm heresy base, so I'll have to magnet him to some debris on the 70x105 Cawl uses when I switch to that, but I'm thinking he'll look OK. Remove some of the back and wire in the AMagos torso with a bunch of cables, then bolt on breacherplate over the top but leaving a couple gaps to show them off. Add the Kataphron trackplates to the legs and apply suitable weapons.

Problem is the local GW is REALLY autistic about proxies, so I doubt they'll let me use him.

>>53715829
-1 to hit when you need 4 hits for them to really make their points back really sucks, and costing more points really sucks when my whole thing is fitting markerlights in in the first place. Plus pathfinders having s5 guns of their own on the current wound table just seems to make them near objectively better

>>53715775
>>53715808
Are you guys delusional? Acts of Faith are extremely strong.

>>53715808
I've played 2 1k games so far and right now having ~1 banner per 2-3 units isn't bad. I've had some great success with 1k points having 2 blobs of 15 with a cannoness and banner stuck between.

They hit 7/9 times due to the canoness and can shoot twice. Fun obliterating an entire gaunt squad in one turn.

>>53715787
>Well to me it seems marker drones (without a drone controller) are straight up useless now, which is kinda sad,
so get a drone controller.
or put one on a stealth suit. Or have one in your fire warrior team.
or the sniper team marksman. or the bomber. Or the missile tank.

Getting just 1 or two markerlights is not worthless because they don't go away. It's rerolling 1's for every unit firing on them.

>>53715587
No, it's 2 bomb squigs allowed for every 5 guys in the unit
5-9 guys = 2 squigs max
10-14 guys = 4 squigs max
15 guys = 6 squigs max

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Too bad the webway assault rule with black guardians went away. I was planning out a small ulthwe force with some storm guardians. There any way to deepstrike guardians? I'm sure something will come back in a craftworld index though.

>>tfw ebay'd new eldrad and sitting on him for a few months to clean out my backlog before starting this project.

>>53715753
Have you completely missed the fact that markerlights benefit every unit shooting at a target, rather than getting used up, in 8th? A markerlight can easily buff many times its own points worth in shooting.

>>53715638
Not at all, in fact that's a little light on AT firepower unless you have it covered elsewhere in your list.

>>53715872
for 5 guys in a unit + an extra 2 for the nob.

A hundred years have passed. Have the Nids done anything in those 100 years?

>>53715882
It "debuffs" a single unit.

You still need other units to focus fire on it
It's just a +1 to hit.

>>53715880
Is he alive or dead at this point lore-wise? I've lost track.

>>53715484
Why is that girl picking her nose?

>>53715896
Microbrews.

>>53715866
In theory, but in practice much harder to execute than one might imagine.

Shooting faith is only useful for longer range weapons (non rapid fire bolters, etc) and cannot be used with exorcists (although that might be ridiculous if it could).

Movement faith is the most applicable, as is the faith for combat orders. Sadly, however, movement faith is pretty lackluster when combined with vehicles...which is pretty disappointing.

>>53715880
Dark Eldar lost the webway portal too. Maybe codexes.

>>53715894
Why would the nob grant you an extra two? It says 2 for every 5 in the unit.

>>53715902
so it's good against hoard units, big monsters, and tanks.
That sounds like a lot of armies there.

hey does anyone know a unit that could heal guilliman??

>>53715842
that sounds horrifying and fitting of an archmagos; post here when you have WIP or finish it because i would love to see it

>>53715896

nope, none of the npc races did anything
>chaos got beaten up off screen in the indom crusade
guillimeme and NPCs: 41K

>>53715904
Eldrad is alive, exiled from his favorite craftworld and hanging out with the ynari.

>>53715919
they have mentioned there will be 'before the battle' stratagems.
I could vary easily see a 'webway assault' stratagem.

>>53715928
what the fuck GW?

100 years is a lot of time for a nid swarm, They should be surrounding the galaxy at this point.

Huh, all this time I've misunderstood the 'under strength units' rule. It says you need to pay full for minimum but that allows you to take imperfect numbers above it.

How many flamers in a rhino is too many? I can stick my sorcerer with my marines now and also smite shit.

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>Have Maximillian Weissmann's baneblade
>Special character baneblade in Imperial Armor books
>Lore says he's dead now

>Have Lord Solar Mecharius model
>Special Character in Imperial Guard book
>Lore says he's dead now.

What the fuck? Why even buy characters anymore if GW is just going to kill them off.

Meanwhile Vorth Mordrak, his ghosts, and Sly Marlboro disappeared as well, but not only did they not get killed off canonically, they don't even have their own official models.

Why even buy named character models anymore? They'll just get retconned out.

>>53715727
That just explains that other characters are allowed to receive orders from him. Otherwise it'd say "only to other".

This is just to clarify that if another tank squad contains a character it's still ok to give it an order.

>>53715587
Another one for the FAQs

>>53715923
No. Hes a monster, not infantry. This is probably intentional to avoid comboing named characters into smashfucker type units. Desist trying to play 7th edition.

>>53715922
You know what else is good against hoard units, big monsters, and tanks? Guns.

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>>53713412
Is there a tentative concensus on 8th ed power rankings? Are all Taudar players switching to tyranids? I've got a lot of genestealers I picked up cheap years ago and might get rid of them.

>>53715896
obviously still stuck flying at sublight speeds

>>53715967
>if another tank squad contains a character
Tank squads can't contain characters what the fuck are you on about? Characters are single model units, they can't join squads anymore.

The rules unambiguously prohibit Pask from issuing orders to himself.