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Paizo Games General /pgg/ (Pathfinder & Starfinder, formerly /pfg/)

Friendly reminder that Starfinder Envoy A SHIT

Link repository; point out problems if found: https://ghostbin.com/paste/tx5h8
Current Playtests: https://pastebin.com/quSzkadj

Last Session: >>53707502
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>>53712613
I'm led to believe Paizo makes their gays already in relationships because then they aren't a romantic threat to the PCs. They're conniving filthy good for nothing bastards, but they know their audience and a significant portion want to play straight men and sometimes straight women.

Still doesn't excuse the number of dead husbands and dead wives you find strewn about their campaigns. That just feels vindictive.
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>>53712661
Aren't Envoys supposed to be a cleric-type class anyway?
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>>53712737
It's objectively inferior to Mystic in every way possible.
Mystic has more damage on cantrips than Envoy has on attacks.
Mystic has spellcasting.
Mystic's healing is better in literally every way possible.
Envoy doesn't have jack shit and can't even buff.
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>>53712737
STOP APPLYING YOUR SHITLORD RULES TO A STRONG BRAVE CHAOTIC GOOD WOMYN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>53712777
Trips confirm.
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>>53712737
Envoys are supposed to be the Face class, like a Bard only more refined towards the talky talky.
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So! Who all's excited for the weekend? Any big plans, game-related or otherwise?
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>>53712737
looks like a warlord without fighting
or a bard without magic
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>>53712845
I will continue waiting patiently for something good to come along
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>>53712845
I'm not. It's shaping up to be another shitty weekend for me.

Might grab some toxic junk food to ""enjoy"" whilst watching E3 this year.
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>>53712845
We are going to kill Karzoug with an army of summoned minions!

Well, the casters are. I am just going to growl at low wis enemies and poke them a few times to get some sneak damage in while the casters bend the laws of the universe itself to our advantage.
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>>53712777
Stamana restoration=/=Healing, anon. Kesk can heal HP. The Envoy can restore Stamina points, which can be then used by other people to do other things.

We also have no idea what Critical Burn means, which i suspect is extra damage that cannot be simply healed easily rather than a critical hit type modifier to damage, meaning the pistol most likely does 2d4 damage..
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>>53712845
Got a couple games coming up. gonna try and enjoy them, but I've been pretty sick lately.
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Even THE ONE talent they decided to showcase for Envoy was horribly bad:
>Clever Feint (EX) [sense-dependent]
>As a standard action, you can fake out an enemy within 60 feet, making that enemy open to your attacks. Attempt a Bluff check with the same DC as a check to feint against that enemy (though this isn't a standard check to feint, so Improved Feint and Greater Feint don't apply). Even if you fail, that enemy is flat-footed against your attacks until the end of your next turn. If you succeed, the enemy is also flat-footed against your allies' attacks until the end of your next turn. You can't use clever feint against a creature that lacks an Intelligence score.
>At 6th level, you can spend 1 Resolve Point to treat a failed Bluff check for clever feint as if it were a success.
>>53712981
According to the First Contact leak, "Critical Burn" is "when you score a Critical Hit, the enemy gets set on fire for the stated amount of damage per round for 1d4 rounds".
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>>53713000
That's actually pretty solid, though?
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Reminder that only celeb apps will get into Ensoulment.
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>>53713000
>remove dex to AC even if you fail
That wouldn't be bad if you could actually make an attack.
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>>53712845

Running a game today, then gonna sleep and jack off all weekend.
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>>53713027
>>53713052
Reminder that in Starfinder, Flat-Footed is a flat -2 AC, no relation to DEX. Moreover, Flat-Footed doesn't make a target eligible for a sneak attack - the Space Rogue needs to roll skill checks every time it tries to sneak attack.
A standard action for a +2 to hit on your next turn is TRASH.
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>>53713027
Depends on if you don't need a standard action to attack.
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>>53712845
I'm excited to keep exploring Thistletop on Saturday. How's your weekend looking, FennecAnon?
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>>53712845
I work all weekend, but I have a fun game today.
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>>53712472
>>53712423
>screeching insults not enough, I also have to samefag

Don't you realize I left the discussion because you're fucking pathetic?
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>>53713062
Considering AC's are likely lower across the board, you can't actually say that until we have more info, anon. -2 to AC for all your allies AND yourself on your next turn IS potentially deadly.
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>>53713028
Is JTTW still safe from the prying hands of celebrity?
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>>53713107
It's definitely not worth a standard action, anon.
Especially not when you get cucked like this:
> (though this isn't a standard check to feint, so Improved Feint and Greater Feint don't apply)
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>>53713113
I wouldn't count on it if I were you. You'll want to look at the B-list games like that Ironfang Invasion that was recruiting a little while ago.
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>>53713084

It's looking well, thank you. We've successfully rescued the little sister of one of our party members, and will likely figure out what to do next. Also, my brother's coming to town for a couple days, so I'm looking forward to spending some time with him.
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>>53713101
You sound pretty butthurt.
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>>53713107

Better to kill them faster and in the combat then prolong it and risk taking more damage or potentially getting someone killed.
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>>53713028
Is Vult's homebrew even allowed I'm Ensoulment? He's listed as a Tome Smiter but I don't see an allowance for it.

What about Chloromancer?
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>>53713113
So far most of the celeb apps are jokes since they don't have the time slot available. Sappy seems to be the only real celeb actually trying to get in.
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>>53713158
Isn't Kawase applying?
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>>53713149
Go ahead. Throw just more "cunts" or "autist" or "subhumans" and other vomit for god knows what reason.

Waste everyone's time.
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>>53713156
The very first app for Ensoulment was a PoW-fuckface (ichabod) by one of the slightly lesser celebs. Do you think they really care about the rules like the WHITELIST of allowed material?

He's a celeb, he can get away with that.
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>>53713186
>implying you're not the one wasting time
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>>53713190
>[words]
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>>53713177
Kawase doesn't get promoted to Real Celeb until he gets into Ensoulment. Right now his only claim to fame is being a discord shitter.
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>>53712661
I can now see why everyone throws their guns at Superman, with a decent str you do more damage by chucking the gun at someone than shooting it.
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>>53713177
>kawase
>celeb
More like people are trying to force him as a celeb fucking lmao he's applied to I think, 4 games? and not gotten into any.
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>>53713177
>kawase
Just because people know his name doesn't make you a celeb, anon
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>>53713101
>>53713186
>>53713214
I get that you're super triggered right now anon, but there's no need to shit up a new thread with it. Go vent on your blog or something and come back when you're ready to talk about waifus and weeb shit like /pgg/ is meant for.
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>>53713243
>>53712777
>EAC consistently lower than KAC
>Telekinetic Projectile also damages the object, meaning you break things with the power
I think you're being disingenuous.
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>>53713254
>>53713277
DHB was a celeb long before he actually got into a game.
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>>53713326
>EAC consistently lower than KAC
KAC for all leaked material including the dozen or so monsters in First Contact is either EAC+1 or EAC+2.
Given a loss of 5-10% accuracy, 1d6 is better than 1d4 (3.5 average vs 2.5 average is 40% more damage). You can throw literal fucking pebbles you pick up off the ground and deal more damage than a laser pistol.
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>>53713301
>>53713190
>>53713214
>>53713186
Considering someone else proved BOTH of you were idiots, I think you should both walk away from your computers and take a smoke break.

>>53712868
>>53712802
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>>53713156
Protag has outright said Vult's character isn't getting in for more than a potential guest appearance like everyone else, so he probably just doesn't care enough to argue with him about it.
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>>53713356
>Protag has outright said Vult's character isn't getting in for more than a potential guest appearance like everyone else,
screencap?
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>>53713352
Within 30'. You forgot that part.
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>>53713326
I'm behind on the leaked material, mind elaborating?
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>>53713365
Didn't happen in the thread, according to Vult it happened in pm between him and Protag.
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>>53713368
Most combats are within that range.
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>>53713353
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>>53711955
>14th level ki power
>Spends 2 ki points
I'm not seeing how that outperforms zen archer, for starters you wont ever use it because most games end before 14th level

Also where's that chart that says Umonk with Dragon Style is the martial that deals most damage? I'm actually playing one (umonk with dragon style) and the barb still outdamages me hard
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>>53713356
Vult has said that Vult's character wouldn't be able to do more than a guest appearance,
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>>53713356
That's such an awful connotation you gave that since Vult was literally trying to be an npc, trying to contrast with the intended party
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>>53713353
Actually, it's mostly proving me right. Flying into someone's area like an untrained autist means you get stabbed (as it should). Having higher ground giving you a +2 is silly but I already said that I don't care about the actual mechanic itself and only felt like pointing out the sillyness.

But let us carry on.
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>>53713391
Not if people realize there's a telekinetic involved, it's not. Unless everyone is an idiot.

>>53713376
I'm just lookign at what was presented. Telekinetic projectile is good....but pebbles everywhere in a space station? Breaking things around you to damage the enemy? That's not smart, or likely to be the case all the time. also, the anon is saying Envoy has a healing power, when it clearly has powers entirely different than healing - stamina points are for using abilities. He's complaining about a variety of things while comparing an apple to a cauliflower.
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>>53713368
90% of combat is going to be at that range.
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>>53713396
I had to go digging through the archives, and I have no idea if this is the newest one but here's the one I found
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>>53713478
Source?

Why would people want to be within easy throwing distance of grenades?
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>>53713482
Also, the thread this is from seemed to imply that this math is done assuming 12th level
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>>53713460
Could we actually pit Ranged Lizard Soldier against Melee Lizard Soldier and see who wins most of the time? She's equal parts strength and Dexterity, she even has Deadly Aim!
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>>53713495
Because combat is on spaceships, which tend to be crammed.
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>>53713495
The source is my ass, because we both know combat's going to be confined to the limitations of a battlemap, and the conventions of story which means most combat will be in rooms or corridors.
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>>53713521
When it gets posted or when I get the book, either one.

The answer is obvious though - ranged is going to get more attacks in before melee gets there, and higher level=more powerful guns as I understand it.
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How would one go about making an armored archer who wields a greatbow, a-la silver knights or alonne knights?
STR based martial is preferred, but it can get wacky like refluffed aether pulse memes or something similar
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>>53713523
And even when not, game mats only extend so far. The vast majority of our encounters are going to be in urban/spaceborne environments.
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>>53713520
>>53713482
Well, the barb in my group is a boar skinwalker with bite and two claw attacks from barb powers, so he actually has 6 attacks before even reaching 6th level, that might be a reason why he outdamages me hard.
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>>53713495
Because if it's not close quarters, than melee is at a disadvantage. You're invalidating melee by making Ranged the norm.
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>>53713548
What, like a Fighter (Archer) with 16-18 str/dex?
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>>53713556
That would do it.

>>53713560
You're invalidating ranged weaponry by assuming all combat is within 30' in grungy and dirty places with lots of free objects to throw at people that aren't important enough not to damage for the sake of Telekinetic Projectile being better than a gun, anon.
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>>53713548
Check out that new Gray Maiden PrC. It has a class feature for Str-based archery. I'd say that'd be your best bet.
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>>53713587
It's not really that easy, right?
I was looking towards taking vital strike for sure on whatever people suggested, for the very damaging single shot feel, but coming from 5e, I didn't actually expect it to be so simple

>>53713624
Now that sounds pretty cool, and I'll be sure to check that out. Thanks anon
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>>53713548
You want STR, martial, and bows? Done. This is what you want. Read 'Furious Huntress'.
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>>53713621
>with lots of free objects
You can literally carry pebbles with you.
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Does Demoralize count as a fear effect?
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>>53713641
You can't play a Gray Maiden without being a woman, it's part of the PrC. Just warning you if you wanted to be a man.

>>53713621
Anon this is Starfinder, it's going to be as cluttered as a Wayne Reynolds piece.
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>>53713698
>wanting to be a man
>ever
Oh man I'm thinking.
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>>53713698
That's alright, I play waifubait trash anyhow.
And the delicate yet defined back muscluature on a female archer is pure sex
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>>53713679
Yes.
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>>53713587
Aren't vanilla Fighters better at being archers than the Archer archetype?
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>>53713720
That really pulsates my pistachios
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>>53713155
Unless you can't hit them, in which case making them easier to hit is the best option. Hard to kill them faster if you're whiffing half your attacks.

And that's regardless of whether AC is lower or higher: 10% is 10%.
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>>53713645
>All those feats
Basically requires you to play a fighter, huh?

>>53713698
I bet most GMs would waive that requirement if you told them you wanted the PrC but not the fluff that goes with it.
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>>53713243
I think the fact that it's energy damage might help, beyond targeting EAC: do we know how prevalent DR will be? Have there been any signs in any previews of armor that provides DR at all?
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>>53713396
Barbarian is meant to out damage. Its designed as the highest damaging martial in the game with next to no modification. So you can try adding other stuff to your roster. Specifically buffs and a magic item or two.
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>>53713756
Then what's the point in the PrC if people don't follow the requirements? Why do you want to play a man when women are just as good?
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>>53713756
Ranger/Slayer also works. Go 6 levels, get Shield Master, never need to worry about penalties with your shield.
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>>53713727
>That spoiler

Like you would know, I've never played with a female archer in all my years and all my campaigns.
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>>53713800
Women are better though, or do you think anyone actually uses the -4 Str as a houserule?
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We just got a new Starfinder Blog post. This time, it's in regards to themes! I know a lot of you are interested in those.

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljvk?Starfinder-Character-Themes
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Same anon asking another potentially stupid question.
If I wanted to add as many damage dice to a single greatbow shot as possible, what would I take?(aside from vital strike)
I'm envisioning somethin similar to 5e's divine smite where you can burn slots for extra damage dice, or something of the sort
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>>53713756
Not really. It's 3 feats, and most PrCs require you to be 5th level to join anyways.
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So I am building a human fighter, level 10. It looks like I'll have 12 feats to my name. I'm planning on building for archery.

Feats I'm Thinking Of:
>Point Blank Shot
>Deadly Aim
>Precise Shot
>Rapid Shot
>Many Shot
>Weapon Focus (Longbow)
>Weapon Specialization (Longbow)
>Point Blank Master
>Ranged Trip
>Ace Trip
>Ranged Disarm
>Ace Disarm

Am I missing anything? Should I switch anything out?
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>>53713856
Always wear your demonic smith gloves for free fire on all attacks ever
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>>53713865
The problem is the content of the feats, rather than the number of them. Particularly if you want to be some kind of archer.
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>>53713819
I'd recommend looking up some in your free time. They look similar to the backs of MMA females, but there's a certain toning to it that you just can't achieve with anything other than archery
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>>53713848
>Undercut Android woman with masculine face

What did Paizo mean by this?

>>53713841
I guess you're right, the constant hate spewed forth from this General towards anything with a penis taught me that.
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>>53713848

Hm. Interesting. I definitely want to see more of what each individual theme has to offer.
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>>53713895
doesn't that only work on unarmed attacks
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>>53713391
In Pathfinder. Stargfinder is specifically going to emphasize ranged combat, so that's not necessarily a given anymore.
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>>53713624
>>53713641
>>53713645
>literally have to be female to be an optimal archer
Sasuga Paizuri.
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>>53713931
Any weapon or unarmed strike
And touch attacks too
No brakes
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>>53713819
I've played with female arch.....that's not what you meant, nevermind.
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>>53713560
>You're invalidating melee by making Ranged the norm.
Which is a stated design goal of Starfinder. They've specifically said that ranged combat will be the norm now.
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>>53713937
There's literally a melee-only class which can't into ranged in Core (Solarian).
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Are any of these options good?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/slayer/archetypes/rogue-genius-games-slayer-archetypes/slayer-lethalities/
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>>53713963
>the leg brace draw
God, why are female archers with bows as big as/bigger than them so fucking amazing?
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>>53713967

Is Solarian melee only? I thought for sure they'd have an energy-ball-throwing version or something.
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>>53713856
Is 3rd party available? The Sniper sphere from Spheres of Might is a good option for this. It's basically Vital Strike on crack.
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>>53713990
We're pretty sure the focus is melee, but nothing stops them from doing ranged stuff
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>>53713990
Nope, they get a Soulknife-esque lightsaber as a class feature and a ton of melee and close range shit, no long range features whatsoever.
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>>53713856
You can get gravity bow to increase dice too. You can enchant arrows for super cheap to give you extra effects like lightning or cold, and then you can add gloves of the archer, a ton of extra attacks, there are some obscure ki powers that can add if you were a zen archer
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>>53713988
I'll let you in on a secret.

Triangular shapes made by the female human body are extremely alluring to the eyes. This is why most models are posed in sitting or agaisnt objects with their legs or arms braced.
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>>53713945
As someone who never plays male PC's? Eh, no skin off my bones.
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>>53713963
But try it with guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FsQnuxlkag
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>>53713967
So? There are martial classes in Pathfinder, that doesn't mean the game doesn't heavily favor casters. The presence of a melee class doesn't change the fact that the designers have specifically and in no uncertain terms stated that ranged combat will be the focus in Starfinder.
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>>53713990
They have energy attacks, and also created firearm attacks. Its like a toned down version of that green lantern soulknife
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>>53713937
Bullshit, everything has pointed to the opposite. Give us evidence this is the case or stop insisting otherwise.
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>>53714035
From what was shown so far, Melee is dominant, dealing over twice the damage of ranged, while ranged cucks can't even 5ft step away from melee to avoid provoking, as 5ft step is a move action while the Step Up feat still exists.
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>>53713964
Which is why a heavy combat rifle is 1d10+2 and your typical beatstick is 1d12+7? Oh yeah, very Ranged.
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>>53714032
I was lookign for that a while ago, thank you.
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>>53714002
Depends on the campaign I try to enter.
I'm the same fag who was asking how to make the fire kick girl a while ago, and I'm just trying to build up a bank of character concepts that I can possibly insert into games.

>>53714013
Gravity bow certainly sounds interesting, though I'm looking to keep away from extra attacks and just keep all my dice on one single crushing shot.

>>53714020
Is this ancient medicine?
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>>53714020
>triangles are extremely attractive
Damn right they are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhq_DHTp_Yg
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>>53713945
I can't think of any examples but I swear that female archers used to be a whole stereotype.

The only archers I can remember recently are snarky rogueish men though.
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>>53714070
>ignoring the Paizo ideal of damage being based on class not weapons
I doubt that's changed much.
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>>53714035
>Ranged combat is the focus
>Literally all the evidence - the hard evidence, not Paizo the Liar's word - suggests otherwise
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>>53714072
No problem. Taiwanese puppet wuxia is great, isn't it?
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>>53714096
Female archers make no fucking sense from a realism perspective.
Archery requires absurd levels of strength, far more so than melee combat - English Longbowmen were so fucking buff they had characteristically deformed skeletons in the shoulder and spine areas.
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>>53714096
They are, redheads specifically
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>>53714125
>muh realism.
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>>53714125
Also the chest pads get in the way
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>>53714125
>>53714142
That only makes it hotter, anon
When your bowwife could realistically crush your head between her shoulder blades, that's when you know she's perfect
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>>53714165
When your bowwife can outhunt you and pull you close when she's all worked up from a day of shooting, that's when you know you're living the dream.
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>>53713775
That means anon was wrong when he said umonk with dragon ferocity was the martial who deals more damage in the game
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>>53714165
>>53714241
>You will never see your bow-wife's powerful back muscles flex while doing her from behind
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>>53714241
>>53714165
I actually played in this dynamic before of a bred for war shoanti bowwoman with my acadamae neophyte korvosan wizard. I think my character was 5'7" and she 6'4".
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>>53714292
How often did your pelvis get broken?
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>>53714241
You understand me, anon
There's nothing more special than your wife hunting you down and hogging you to herself for a cuddle session after a long day.

>>53714287
Jesus Christ
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>>53714087
Men and girls who kiss girls and not you have eyes that travel naturally to the crux of things, and smooth bodies lead the eye, while triangle lead the eye to follow-the smooth pieces to the interesting bits. Biology+art.

>>53714096
Japanese and Greeks did the female archery thing; Japanese because it was a sacred ritual, and Greeks because when your men were in the fields fighting the women would still be useful by felling targets not in the field. You couldn't afford sideliners in societies that had human sacrifice.
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>>53714249
>>53712159
>>53712065
>... a Dragon Style UMonk as having some of the highest DPR [of 1pp martials] in the game

It wasn't "highest damage in the game", just that it was SOME OF the highest DPR in the game, and that buildposter's autismchart claimed it to be "the best". Also it's (relatively) easy to achieve good damage with it. A barbarian just has the innate advantage of rage, and in your case is a natural attacker with more attacks than you'll get to have for another 4-5 levels.
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>>53714116
I love it.

>>53714249
The trick is that Dragon Ferocity adds +1/2 damage to each hit, whiel the first hit is also +1 1/2 damage - but that's based on the higher damage a monk's unarmed attacks get rather than weapon damage.
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>>53714310
I was a NE enchanter specialized wizard. After a point I didn't allow her to have more free will than I felt necessary. Having summoned deamons dick her was funny though.

I got a few useful half fiends out of it.
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>>53714452
Well, this certainly didn't go in the direction I expected.
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>>53714452
>Not getting your pelvis pulverized
What a cuck
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>>53714452
uh
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>>53714494
Oh I diddled her when I felt the need for a over large muscle woman. Most of the time I diddled more aesthetically pleasing women.

>>53714486
She was my cohort so after a point it didn't really matter.
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>>53714452
You're a man of godly taste.
There's nothing better than breaking in the strong ones.
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>>53714339
The handholding must be intense.
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>>53714421
Honestly, while weapons are cool, there's just a special sort of awesome that comes with an unarmed hero beating the full plate wearing dark overlord.
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>>53714526
>cohort
So you not only were too much of a pussy to get femdom'd, you didn't even have the balls to break down someone who wasn't obligated to be around you in the first place.
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How would I make this in Pathfinder?
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>>53714546
>tfw no handholding with your tied up bowwife as she strains and tenses against her bindings
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>>53714604
Cohorts aren't obligated to be around you. They have as much free will as any other NPC. I wasn't gonna do this to a player's character, who the fuck thinks it's ok to cast dominate person on fellow PCs.
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>>53714614
Summoner.
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>>53714625
*nervous laughter*
Who would ever do something like that...?
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>>53714590
Is there a way to combine the two? A full-plate overlord who beats the shit out of people with his knuckles?
Maybe a Sanguinist Medic who splurged on Heavy Armor Proficiency?
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>>53714660

DD Warder, twf spiked gauntlets, take TD and BB.
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>>53714614
Summoner or Aegis
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Actually, wouldn't Starfinder require whole new fighting locations and scenes? There's only so many back alley brawls you can do for melee.

Stuff like combining Advanced Warfare's car-jumping freeway chase where terrorists in technicals try to shoot you down while you try to get the marksman to stop the kidnapper's car like in Silent Scope.

Battles against Xenomorphic guards that have multiple arms for multiple attacks on top of their Acid+Tail attack combo that just melts the Stamina of melee characters.

Copying from every SCHMUP game ever and having bosses with multiple phases and attacks that chew through everything in front of them.


Even the melee classes should pack a pistol or a shield or something.
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>>53714701

Why Aegis?
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>>53714625
Well sure, not to a PC, but you should aim higher. Shouldn't a wizard have ambition? Aim for a queen, or a duchess, or some strong-willed heroine!
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For the GMs out there, do you ever have those moments where you write something, think it's alright, then come back and find it bad?

And then get trapped in a downwards spiral of coming up with things, finding them lacking, and then never being able to come out with anything?
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>>53714704
It should, but it won't because Paizo are hacks.
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>>53714790
Constantly. Even as a player working on a character's backstory I get into the same thing.
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>>53714790
No I just make it up as I got along
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>>53714790
Yes, then I energy drink at it and run with it after a few tweaks to fit the mood
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>>53714032
That was thunderbolt fantasy was it not? God damn, I kinda caught a chubby watching that. Now to figure out how to do it in game.
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>>53714815
>TFW you walk through the door and there are crates that can be used for cover strewn randomly about the room
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>>53714874
At least now videogames exist and you can have your PC say "it's a boss fight arena if I ever saw one".
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The biggest flaw of Statfinder imo is

> there are no good map tilesets or assets online for SciFi shit
> there won't ever be because fantasy is still the predominant genre and DND is going to keep going strong
>Paizo we'll try to Jew you with their official ones and you will be at their mercy
>inb4 'durrr I just use blank laminated grid maps and drawing them with crappy markers durrr'
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>>53714957
>we'll
>instead of will
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>>53714909
If the players do too well, you can have a robot kool-aid man through a wall to change the odds and it would fit.

>>53714957
But games like Star Wars and Traveller should already have decades of material to steal
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>>53714989
>implying you don't already do that in Fantasy
>here is how it tends to go in my games

>you found the big bad
>"Aha, you found me, Bigbad! I-"
>hideout wall is blown away as a giant fucking mutated boar demon thing barges in and splatters Bigbad on the wall
>roll initiative
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>>53715019
Nearly made me spill my drink Anon. I'm imagining this happening in someone's "realistic, mideval Europe only, no-weebs" campaign.
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>>53714983

My phone autocorrected it.

>>53714989

Not so far as visual assets, from what I have seen. There is just way more fantasy stuff out there period.
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>>53714989
Star Wars and Traveler are both superior Scifi-systems though.

Why not use them instead of Pathfinder IN SPACE?
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>>53715089

Star Wars is gay and traveler is old that is why
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>>53715075
Turns out Bigbad, the regionally famous bandit boss, was not the worse problem of this fucking place.
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>>53715081
You could steal from Google Maps. Use the Highway system for chases and the like. It's what I was going to do for my 4e Mecha campaign.

>>53715089
Personally, all the back luggage. They've got more back story you have to build around, whereas Starfinder's 'Memory Gap' leaves it a lot more open to me.

Plus, looks like you'll be able to be a Giant Robot Icon in Starfinder. Try doing that in Star Wars or Traveller or Eclipse Phase.

Wait, ignore the last one. You can do it there.
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>>53715136
You just turned this into Berserk, you Sly dog.
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>>53714614
Any lewds of her?
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>>53715089
>Traveler
>superior
Wow, you're fucking delusional if you think Traveler is anything but GM houserules. The system is absolute shit for RP.
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>>53715174
>They've got more back story you have to build around,
You could always refluff things, and Traveler is very easy for new players to dip into.

>Plus, looks like you'll be able to be a Giant Robot Icon in Starfinder.
Why not play Battle Century G instead? A superior system for giant robots, and on top of that you're not supporting an awful company like Paizo and perpetuating the "I can only handle 3.PF" cycle.
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>>53714847
No, that wasn't Thunderbolt Fantasy. It was made by an offshoot of the same puppeteer team, though.
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>>53715089
It's not like you can't reuse most fantasy monsters as xeno beasties.
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>>53714909
>>53714874
>Cutscene begins
>Waist-high cover is strewn about the room
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>>53715209
If you're that desperate for mechanics, play Eclipse Phase instead.
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>>53714625
Well there was that one guy (gal?) playing a drow who got enslaved and cocksleeved by her party using those magic slave collars, but I'm fairly sure that was consented to out of game.
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>>53715199
Nope, you'll just have to make do with the exposed belly and huge breasts.
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>>53715211
Red pill me on Battle Century G. I've got a player who likes systems with thick rule sets, but I don't. Can it handle slice-of-life stuff, like said Giant Robot Icon having a concert and the party of brain-in-a-jar Merc and Broody McCyborg helping out?
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Whens the PoW errata coming out?
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>>53715089
Because Fragged Empire, Battlelords of the 23rd Century, Ashen Stars and many others are out there waiting to be discovered.
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>>53715293
>red pill
I'd really rather not.

>I've got a player who likes systems with thick rule sets, but I don't.
Why the hell are you playing PF then?

>Can it handle slice-of-life stuff,
Yes. It's generally intended for pilot-scale stuff on that end, but I'm sure you could houserule in something with giant robots if you prefer.
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>>53715330
Oh you.
My point stands. There are so, so many superior systems to PF when it comes to Scifi, let alone fantasy. Use those instead.
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>>53715319
Never.
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>>53715319
After Half-Life 3.
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>>53715364
Who is manticore bullying?
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>>53715364
>You will never have a possessive dominant waifu who power bottoms in bed
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>>53715256
Jeez that's hot
What game was that in?
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>>53715319
Sometime between now and the heat death of the universe.
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>>53715349
>don't play this game, play another game instead
So getting tired of that shit. Go to another thread. The system hasn't even come out yet. Some of us are interested in seeing what science fantasy they come up with.
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>>53715331
I'm waiting for Starfinder.

Plus, I can deal with it. I run a Fantasy Craft game
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>>53715403
>Starfinder
>Compelling Setting
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What does /tg/ think about sahkils?
I wanted to post a picture of qolok,
but it has huge naked tits and probably against the rules.
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I knew I had this.
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>>53715492
And that is how she lost her nipples.
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What's the best Ensoulment character and why is it Overlord Vandread?
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>>53715463
Yes, we know you're psychic. Sometimes, it's not about the setting, but the tools it provides. Supposition & guesswork =/= actual; information.
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>>53715464
To be used very sparingly, and only after introducing the psychopomps first
Since no one uses psychopomps, they never ever see use
Great for special sessions, like if you have a Halloween special
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>>53715492
>When you can see the outline of her breasts from behind

The best. THE BEST.
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>>53715514
Because he's Aurelia's long lost husbando!
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>>53715492
God almighty, that's the stuff
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>>53715521
Everything revealed so far is NuPaizo inclusivity bullshit, lazy genre conventions and promises they've broken before.
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>>53715464
Not sure yet. I may have a use for them, but terror is not a great end unto itself.
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>>53715293
BCG/Z is fucking simple when it comes to rulesets. In fact some of my players biggest issue with it is the lack of crunch. It offers decent options and has some stuff to do abnormal pilots and all that, yes. However it won't let you go in depth like Mekton Zeta or Silcore would, so you'd like that part.

Whether it'll be enough for your player is actually the question in this case.
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>>53715542
Then go play another game.
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I wanna get some CHA from an outsider, preferably in a profane bonus. Which outsiders do that again?
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>>53715542
As if any other gaming company that's putting anything at all out is doing differently.
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Does Paizo publish any mini-adventures? Stuff that can be dropped into games as side-treks? If not, are there any good places who do? I need some extra stuff to pad out an area.
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>>53715581
Call 1-800-Succubus now anon
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>>53715581
Succubi.
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>>53715521
Actually the setting's probably gonna be the weakest part; I'm hoping we can make good use of the ruleset though.

They could've ignored shit like golarion entirely, but they just HAD to make some convoluted bit to include it in the background. Which risks it showing up in an AP 2 years from now. They absoultely had to have an absalom station again (I'm sure it'll get just as much as the city ended up getting), and the same gods, and oh hey let's bring 9th level spellcasting progression back just not in the original core classes because that's the wisest move ever.

There's been more focus on "muh hugbox" when it comes to what the setting offers for LGBTBBQs than... anything else at all from all the teasers and tidbits they've given. "Look here! we're socially just!" is not a good sales-pitch for the long-term.
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>>53715581
Mostly devils. Succubi, contract devils, host devils, and a few others.
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>>53715581
Succubi.

Be warned, a Malicious NPC now has you in their pocket.
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>>53715581
Succubus a shit.
Find the lady with the +4 profane bonus
Or make a simulacrum of Noctilis and have that simulacrum give you +6 and a +4 profane bonus
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>>53715581
Succubus for +2, lilitu for +4, Nociticula for a bunch more.
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https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/5126499/round-2-dot-dot-dot-3/?pageforid=5150544#post-5150544

Is this the first we've officially heard on the new girl in PLD?
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>>53715561
Thanks, this was useful. I'll give it a look when I get home.

>>53715607
I can understand being triggered by the Envoy, but the Android's gender is literally S.T.A.L.K.E.R. He's too busy hunting Strelok to care about his gender.
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>>53715622
That's good! This is for an NPC mythic Lich sorcerer!
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>>53715624
>Or make a simulacrum of Noctilis and have that simulacrum give you +6 and a +4 profane bonus
How the fuck do you even do that?
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>>53715628
Ah, i knew there was a reason I didn't apply. Too bad. Time slot is a fail for me.
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>>53715660
Easily. No special requirements for making a simulacrum of a demon lord.
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Dungeon Pact avowed when?
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>>53715660
You convince your GM they're an idiot.
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>>53715682
>Post cute avowed sniper girl
>I KNEW THERE WAS A REASON I DIDN"T APPLY
either your grammar is misleading... or you have shit taste

She's cute! CUTE
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>>53715660
DM fiat? That's wholly within character for my old DM. He'll do anything for a cheap sex joke.
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>>53715652
don't care about the android.

but I do notice that FTL was granted to people by one of the gods, and that is going to come and bite technology in the ass hard within a few splatbooks. It'll be innocuous enough at first: A high level spell lets you FTL without a ship, a high level spell lets you shut down a battlecruiser for a few rounds, a high level spell does more damage than an entire battery of high grade cannons... But it'll eventually combine with things like domain abilities, feats, other abilities, particular PRCs and the like until the entire concept of starships becomes "the stupid way to get around" for all adventurers.

By then, the starfinder equivalent to PoW will have come out and people will be one-round ragepouncing dreadnoughts with their axe, no matter how much someone puts of their build into making the dreadnought good, because it was simply the wrong way to have fun now.

You know.

Like anything else paizo has ever touched.
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>>53715195
Did I? Never read it.

I just like to do a lot of cinematic shit for my players, even if my settings tend to be low-magic and stuff.

>uh-oh, that enemy gang and their boss the city's kingpin bigbad shows up at the cathedral showdown
>ruh-roh, the corrupt platoon of guards and their boss the ambitious noble bigbad too and a three-way clusterfuck of a fight starts
>fuh-foh, the hideous monster nobody's ever seen that prowls the city at night, eating criminals, busts in mid-fight with a terrifying roar, spits fire everywhere, shit's burning and collapsing your only chance is to fight your way to the belltower and jump off
>your character is caught at the leg by the obsessed diehard bandit toughguy, hellbent on having you die with him, hollywood shit ensues.
>cleric doesn't make it and is left in the crumbling church that was actually rigged with gunpowder and fucking EXPLODES.

>next day you're about to mourn him
>he reappears
>tells you to follow into some dark alley hideout
>inside is plenty of alchemic supplies, weird tools and a pimping black armour not meant for humans
>you meet the owner too

>turns out the night monster is a gnoll turned vigilante and dishing out some Punisher justice at night
>uses pyrotechnics, lightning manipulation and various tricks to make himself look like a terrifying giant monster
>knew the criminals were having a showdown with you and so came in to catch them all at once
>saw the cleric and busted his ass out
>GM wise was a failsafe in case someone missed a roll.

>He gives you a bunch of [quest rewards] for helping him with both fucking up the perps and getting his personal revenge against the two bigbads
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>>53715683
> powdered rubies worth 500 gp per HD of the simulacrum)
>has only half of the real creature’s levels or HD (and the appropriate hit points, feats, skill ranks, and special abilities for a creature of that level or HD). You can’t create a simulacrum of a creature whose HD or levels exceed twice your caster level.

Good luck with that.
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>>53715749
36 HD
Meaning you need to be 18th level before any CL boosts.

500gp x 36 = 18,000gp. That's chump change post 10th, especially for a +6 and a +4 profane bonus to two different stats.
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>>53715749
Oh noooooo, I need a CL of 18 and 18k for a stackable, permanent total of +10 to my stats, how horrible. Get good you faggot.
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>>53715458
Starfinder is literally just PF in space. If you can deal with PF, you can easily deal with lighter rulesets.
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>>53715743
You should.

And consider everything here stolen.

>>53715736
I'm certain there is going to be power creep.

THAT'S WHY I HAVE /pgg/!

Just give me some quick rules like 4e General does and I'm sure I can avoid a lot of that trouble.
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>>53715825
Just stick to 4e.
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>>53715736
Battleship Cannons have a larger damage die, so it's balanced that they have a lower rate of fire than longbows. Even though hammer-the-gap and clustered-shots deal higher DPR as well as per-hit damage by far through all defenses of the battleship, the cannon has a bigger damage die, so it's balanced. Only filthy dirty optimizers that hate fun and play banned things like uh the core book stuff would ever claim that such an outlier and ultra rare situation happens, because in real play there's no such thing as taking two feats and being level six. That's how we know the playtest was right and you were wrong all along anon.
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>>53715701
No, i saw her and then checked the time frame.

I was going to post a hot blooded red-head tomboy spiritualist caster....
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>>53715862
That's a shame. She would have been cute.

I wonder how many people are being blocked out by the time slot?
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>>53715791
>18k is chump change.
Over 1/6 of your WBL at 10.
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So do we have any dates for when starfinder is coming out?
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>>53715901
Your mom.
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>>53715791
>gp
>not rubies
Uh huh. Rubies worth more than the crown jewels of any kingdom are just lying around somewhere I'm sure. And there's no chance a demon lord will take notice of something that partakes of his name and essential abilities.

Quantum White Room Theorycraft Wizards Strike Again!
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>>53715542
>NuPaizo
Is there any real difference from Paizo? They fucked up the PF "playtest", and that was just the very first of their "playtests". Were there really idiots who believed they'd turn over a new leaf for Starfinder?
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>>53715915
>his name
>demon lord of the succubii
>his
>Not just using Fabricate to make the rubies
>>53715899
It's chump change considering it's a +6 AND A +4 BONUS
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>>53715652
Lesbian communist Space Ameiko and STRELOK are the tip of the iceberg, anon. They've taken great pains to make sure every humanoid they show is a woman (and alt-girls at that) with men relegated to assholes or rats. They removed the Lashunta sexual dimorphism because Equality and the Pact Worlds are the most disgustingly boring sci-fi I've ever seen, to the point the only way they spiced it up was the Vast, which is literally a "whatever" sandbox.
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>>53715918
NuPaizo is post-RoW Paizo, when they first hired Amber Scott and everything went to shit.
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>>53715915
>And there's no chance a demon lord will take notice of something that partakes of his name and essential abilities.
With what abilities?

Sure, if this was Deities and Demigods where deities knew when people uttered their name, that'd be a valid point; but Nocticula has no ability to notice this
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>>53715985
>everything went to shit.
What actually got worse? It seems to me like you're talking with rose tinted glasses.
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>>53715954
>The quality of items made by this spell is commensurate with the quality of material used as the basis for the new fabrication.
So you need 18,000 in another precious gemstone to create rubies of the quality you need. Brilliant.
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>>53715955
Jesus, and I thought my 4E space setting I sketched up years ago was bad. Then again it was just a mishmash of random sci-fi cliches duct-taped to an inappropriate system, there wasn't any attempt at political correctness or anything.
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>>53715999
>something that gets summoned by name would NEVER notice something like this happening!
You do know how summoning unique outsiders works, right?

Although it would be hilarious if your simulacrum responded to a Gate spell rather than the real thing.
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How could I convince my GM to use Synthesist? How would you balance it?
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>>53716054
Does a simulacrum even have a true name?
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>>53716055
Synthesist Summoner? Tell him that you're no longer fucking action economy up the ass like a regular summoner.
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>>53716055
Synthesist is the weakest version of the summoner.
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>>53716055
Why do you want to be a Synthesist anyways?
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>>53716055
Here's the thing: Synthesist is actually weaker than base summoner because it gets less actions per turn than base summoner (the base summoner has two creatures running around, essentially letting him full attack and cast spells at the same time. synthesist puts its own body at risk to mix it up in melee, forgoing spellcasting.)
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>>53715955
Again, so what? That's not going to affect my setting in any way, shape or form. I want the mechanics and systems to work with to see what setting I can build. You're more cancerous than any lewdposter or kitsunefucker.

You creatively bankrupt "redpill vs bluepill" moron.
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>>53716074
From what I've gathered, he's more concerned about sharing ability scores. I'm not entirely sure why, I could simply not optimize my scores unless there's just no way to not do that?

>>53716085
I like the concept of it and it looks like it'd be fun to play.
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>>53716120
Just play an Aegis instead, it does the same things
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>>53716066
It does if you made it from a creature with one, anon. There's even roll to determine how effective it is as a likeness.
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>>53716136
Actually the classes are really, really different in terms of both thematic and mechanics.
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>>53716120
There is a similar witch arch if you just want the concept
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>>53716136
3pp isn't always available.
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>>53716055
How do fucking retards still fucking think the fucking Synthesist is somehow not weaker than the fucking regular - let alone the fucking master - summoner?

It's like worrying because a player wants to play a sword&board paladin instead of an OD/ZS...
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>>53716055
Synthesist doesn't need balanced. It's really powerful at the start but a few levels later all it has going for it is its large HP pool and above-average martial ability.
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>>53716136
He doesn't like Psionics either, unfortunately.
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>>53716148
really aren't.
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>>53716158
b-b-b-but the PFS people said it's op ;.;
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>>53716169
So you're playing with a dumbass AND a massive faggot.

Don't play, quit the game.
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>>53716169
Put it to him like this

A normal summoner can full attack and cast spells in the same turn

A synthesist can't.
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>>53716166
>above-average martial ability.
And that's a pretty fucking low bar.
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>>53716169
Play a master summoner. That'll fucking teach him.
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>>53715607
>yfw when ultraliberals at Paizo license the development of their vidya to a company owned by a literal Shadowrun BBEG
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>>53716138
State your evidence; because I'm 100% certain that it's an illusion.
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>>53716175
They really are. If you think otherwise you don't really understand how Syntheists work or Aegis work.

It's like saying Venom and Ironman are totally the same concept.
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>>53716158
Synthesist Summoner is powerful compared to martials for the same reason people think PoW martials are better than fighters, anon. Because mechanically, they are fucking powerful in melee combat to levels that are absurd regardless of WHY or HOW they are powerful, and GM's are wary about that kind of shit.

Just because it's not broken in the same way doesn't mean it's not overpowered.
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>>53716186
What part of retards wasn't clear enough?
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>>53716191
Piss off, mediocre blaster wizard. The only iconic you can outdamage is Harsk and that's because Paizo can't build a fucking cube of legos without a mold.
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>>53716211
But Synthesist summoners aren't like venom at all, they're basically iron man.
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>>53716104
Oh golly, so it's mean of me to point out trends and biases by the people making these games? Give me a break, it's like how White Wolf gave us agendered NPCs that go by xir or male pregnancy and expected people who didn't like it to "just deal with it."

That doesn't happen, they became laughing stocks just like Paizo has.
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>>53716202
> The duplicate creature is partially real and formed from ice or snow. It appears to be the same as the original, but it has only half of the real creature’s levels or HD (and the appropriate hit points, feats, skill ranks, and special abilities for a creature of that level or HD)
It is partially real and possesses the same abilities and capacities as the original anon. That means you can summon it through gates, planar bindings, planar allies, calling spells, or rituals, just like the original - and in fact, more easily because it has less power and defenses agaisnt such things. You don't get to cherry pick whether or not it gets some abilities and not others - if you want the whole shebang, you get the WHOLE shebang.
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>>53715825
Go ahead. Feels like I'm falling on the same guy, last time, I was making jort gnolls for Starfinder, now you're stealing my fluffy vigilante. Well at least SOMEONE appreciates.

But it doesn't have to be a gnoll. Can be a minotaur pretending he's the balrog. Can be a werewolf on steroids.

Had the plans that PCs could actually glimpse him at night or even "meet" him and get to see his MO (when he wants to scare people around, he makes lots of noise, especially stomping in his heavy metal boots. When he wants to surprise and kill, he hides in the darkness then opens his glowy animal eyes, and shows his shiny, fluorescent -they're alchemically treated- teeth and then boom. It's all a well-oiled performance). They could even try and defeat him out of the blue, and actually succeed, but then of course have the opportunity to understand what's the deal and not finish him.

Had a follow up idea that PCs could come back to the city a month later, discover the Monster's started attacking actual innocents but also destroy buildings and start fires everywhere. They question their new buddy and he says it's not him, it's the -actual- monster he was taking inspiration from, and thought it was but a legend. Turns out it was sealed by the power of the cathedral. That he blew up.

He endeavours to kill it and then take this as his cue to retire. Then ensues some heroic fight involving a heroic sacrifice, but the party barb tries to save him anyway, the party follows him, and they cleverly rescue, and he appears to the public as the one hero who slayed the terrible beast, and gets to stay and vigilante the shit out of the night as usual, but this time recognized and appreciated.
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>>53716120
>sharing ability scores

all Synthesist does is overwrite your Str/Dex when you have the suit on. The Con is technically separate, and you maintain your mental scores as normal. It's still less of a clusterfuck than trying to juggle both a summoner AND an eidolon in the long term.
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>>53716251
Mean? No, I'm calling you stupid for pissing and moaning about irrelevant SJW shit that has no effect on the actual play of the game except what GM's allow it to. Most of us don't give a shit.
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>>53716199
>BBEG
Ugh.

Might as well get it out of the way before a real autists gets triggered.
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>>53716330
>>53716330
ugh
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https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/79612/giant-slayer-part-1-battle-of-bloodmarch-hill

>the most boring nonstop fighting AP
>core only core only core only

Is this a meme game or a genuine retard rando?
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>>53716290
Why does this defense never work in practice? DMs don't have to include the Xir or male pregnancy, DMs don't have to include transsexual characters, they don't even have to add the gay characters.

Yet companies are criticized for insisting those are well and good things to put in the DM's book. You don't give a shit, but plenty of people do.
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>>53716377
Why are you posting a random roll20 game on here?
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>>53716420

I suspected it was one of you faglords
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>>53715899
First off, it's 500 gp per HD of the simulacrum. >>53715791 is dumb, it's 9,000 gp.

Second, you can't even cast the damn spell until 13th level, and even then your CL is only high enough with a Bead of Karma and a misc +1 from somewhere else.
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>>53716432
?

Why would it be
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>>53716432
If it was here it would have been 32 PB PoW SoP gestalt with 3x starting wealth and free VMC
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>>53716403
So go and campaign agaisnt it on a forum where it actually matters instead of being an asshat and shitpostign about it on the hellhole that is /tg/ where we do much worse than that type of nonsense for fun. If you care so much, care about it where you can get things changed. You think you can get people on your happy little anti-SJW bandwagon HERE?
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>>53716248
They're exaclty like venom. Your Eiodolan is still a living thinking thing as a Synthesist. It can be potentially banished or summoned to another plane. It's not just a suit of armor like the Aegis's astral suit is.
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>>53716483
Except its really not at all because Eidolons can't do anything neat at all.
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I hope everyone is having a great Friday afternoon!

You guys ARE going out tonight, right? It's Summer! And a Friday!
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>>53713848

These actually seem really good. Might open up some handy levels of character customization.

Kinda makes me think of traits, only built up into something that grows along with your character levels. I approve.

>>53714125

Admittedly there are two things to keep in mind.

1. A very strong human in the real world, including our archer buddies, probably has something like 14 strength. A PC with 16-18 strength is RIDICULOUSLY strong compared to a real-world person because D&D doesn't really scale based on realism at all.

2. PCs are exceptional, pretty much as a rule, so it doesn't really matter if it wouldn't be something that corresponds to an average person. They are, by the nature of the game, designed to surpass limits and averages that would exist in the real world.
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>>53716500
Yes it can. It's just stuck to you, but it isn't an inanimate suit like an Aegis's armor is.

They can even split apart at a high enough level.
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I'll b-be your healer for this campaign!
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tell me /pgg/, tell me about DHB's sexy snake man
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>>53716538

BITCH PLEASE, get that weak ass shit out of here.

Only self-respecting White Mages need apply!
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My DM doesn't want to use my tactics to help wipe out the party
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>>53716538
>>53716579
WHMs are for DPS!
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>>53716537
Oh wow, Iron Man and his armor splitting apart? That's never happened. Ever.
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>>53716579
I'm self respecting! I'm really powerful too!

I j-just like being helpful
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>>53716605

But if the WHM is DPS and the WAR is DPS, what does the DPS do?

When everyone is DPS, no one will be.
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>>53716632
Given how my parties are? Be heckin' useless.
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>>53716605

You're damn right we are!

>spams Holy

>>53716625

Have you even killed Shinryu while Bare Handed? No? Then give me 9999 push ups, maggot!
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>>53714125
Females can deform themselves as well, dude.

Sure, Xena can't out-lift Heracles, but she can still be supernaturally fucking strong.

PCs are beyond 'that abnormal'. PCs are quite literally meant to be those legendary existences in the making. Hell it was flat out stated back in 2nd ed; a "fighter" only gained the actual class because of some heroic aspect or lineage; they were either chosen as a hero or descended from a fucking god. Soldiers were just regular level 0 men-at-arms. They could become veterans, but only like their fucking captains had a real class.

Women can use bows. They may not be able to handle quite the pull that men can, but at the end of the day, training and skill will ensure that arrows get in the eyes they need to get into from either sex.
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>>53716632
That's fine. "Damage" as a role is lame. Everyone can contribute damage. It's not special or interesting.
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>>53716620
I mean. That still really doesn't change the fact that your Eiodolan is still a separate, living being.
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>>53716538
>not a male
get out
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>>53716684
>Everyone can contribute damage
No they heckin' can't.
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>>53716684

>doesn't know what soft enrages timers are

What a precious life you must lead, being the Princess of Casuals.
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>>53716688
Man, imagine if Iron man's armor had like, an AI with a personality and everything.

That would be -crazy-.
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>>53716264
>Jort Gnolls
The ones with the !Vegas that use flamethrowers to make BBQ and make/listen to heavy metal? Yeah, I'm the guy stealing that too.
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>>53716673
>PCs are beyond 'that abnormal'. PCs are quite literally meant to be those legendary existences in the making. Hell it was flat out stated back in 2nd ed; a "fighter" only gained the actual class because of some heroic aspect or lineage; they were either chosen as a hero or descended from a fucking god. Soldiers were just regular level 0 men-at-arms
This actually false on so many fucking levels. And is demonstrably wrong if you do so much as crack open a fucking module.
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>>53716692
Every class in Pathfinder does damage. Every single damn one. It's not special to contribute to the most mundane path to victory. It's necessary and fine for everyone to have a way to do that, but it's not defining.
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>>53716673

The toy plesioth slays me
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>>53716719
Just because they can doesn't mean they do.
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>>53716730

Even as a toy I hate its stupid cunt face.
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>>53716689
>>not a male
>implying
>>
What's the strangest weapon I can use and still be effective?
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>>53716746
You can use whatever the fuck you want and be effective with the right feats.
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>>53716746
I'll take "stupidly broad questions" for 600, Alex.
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>>53716754
WATER BALLOON FIGHTER
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So, part of me for JttW wants to build an ancient and powerful Youkai Kitsune enchanter.

The build I am looking at for the moment is on one side Sorcerer, and on the other a lot of dips. Dipping alchemist for a Cognatogen, dipping Arcanist for an arcane reservoir, and Bard for a few other things.

All in all at level 10 my DCs for spells like Extended Charm Person, Dominate Person, Extended Suggestion, etc. is hovering in the 35-40 range.

I'm more thinking of the character being a bitter CE trickster spirit who hates civilization and wants to purge most mortals. A mangey angry sort of fox.
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>>53716719
Explain to me how a wizard deals HP damage that isn't a bad fucking joke.
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>>53716740
She has breasts and an obviously feminine figure, that's not a boy. And if a DM tried to pull that on me I'd leave the game then and there.
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>>53716777
Blasting isn't as bad as people make it out to be because its AOE

Realistically a fireball will do a high total amount of damage if it hits like 3+ enemies.
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>>53716776
So why is it teaming up with the party?
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>>53716787
>She has breasts and an obviously feminine figure, that's not a boy.
>implying one leads to another
>>
Is Fighter 1/Cleric X still a good path for a cleric?
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>>53716793
3 half dead enemies are still just as dangerous as 3 enemies a full HP.
>fireball
>high damage
lol
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>>53716798
To eventually steal and use the collected weapons to purge a fuck ton of mortals.
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>>53716818
At that point you may as well just go with a Warpriest. but... yes, it's a decent option, as long as you take the trait that brings your caster level back up.
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>>53716818
>skipping caster levels
>fucking with spell progression
>for a measly extra feat
No.
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>>53716835
3 half dead enemies are still dangerous, but can be taken out much quicker by an allied archer or something, it makes the fight easier when you're hurting more than one enemy at once.
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>>53716799
Okay, fine. That woman has a penis, a thick juicy penis with a fat spongy head. Is that what you chucklefucks want to hear whenever there's a joke about traps? Are you people this repressed that you need to legitimize your homosexuality by saying it was a "particularly feminine guy?" It's 2017, you can accept your manlust.

Jesus fucking Christ, I'm sick and tired of this eagerness for the punchline to be "it's got a dick!"
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>>53716865
>It's 2017, you can accept your manlust.
No! If I said it like that, the SJWs would win!
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>>53716862
No, because the archer should still be killing one person a turn if they aren't weak as fuck either. Your party would benefit more from Haste than fireball.
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>>53716777
AoE blasts are mostly weak when compared to single targets. Hitting groups of enemies makes them fine but not amazing, without specialization, and hitting large numbers of targets (let's say 5+ for the sake of having an arbitrary number to base discussion on) makes them a pretty good use of your action. They're obviously more situational than control effects and buffs, and they're strongest at mid-levels (~5-13) before hitpoints outscale their value, but that doesn't make them worthless.
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>>53716712
And you still haven't given me some contact info. Fuck.
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>>53716894
>archer is now killing 2-3 people a turn because they've been softened up by a fireball

:thinking:
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>>53716938
No they aren't because fireball won't soften them up that much.
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>>53716954
>If I just claim you're wrong, you're wrong!
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>>53716865
>4chan in 1993+24
>he doesn't stick dicks on his chicks

now, granted, the pictured chick isn't a tiefling so it isn't very logical, but there's a reason we joke about those demonblooded girls you know
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Speaking of JttW I'm gonna have fun with my character. I am already planning out the application which is probably going to be a power point presentation. I realized that it's the only format that works with this character.
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>>53716954

>I have prescient knowledge of exactly what my DM has chosen for the encounter, what their stats are, and how much HP they have, before the session even begins, and I can most certainly rely on averages 100% of the time as RNG will never ever fuck me in the ass.
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>>53716970
SHAFT please go.
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>>53716982
Yes, that's why I'm assuming fireball won't soften them up. I always assume the RNG will fuck me in the ass.
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>>53717022
RNG fucks martials more than spellcasters though?
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>>53716968
Why? Because you can't get it up unless the girl's got a veiny sausage? These "jokes" aren't funny, never have been, and elsewhere are always accompanied by explicit webms or gifs that confirm the lust for chicks-with-dicks really is just repressed homosexuality.
>>
>>53717022

Might as well stop making any attack rolls or use any spells that require Touch Attacks or allow saves of any kind then.
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>>53716998
It's DHB. He's being a shitter.
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>>53717034
Not if you're a blaster.
>Resistance
>Spell Resistance
>Reflex Saves
>Evasion
>No static damage
>>53717040
Now you're starting to get it.
>>
>>53716926
Maybe when I join the Discord cabal. Giving out info on 4chan isn't a good idea.
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>>53717049
>REFLEX SAVES
typically the worst save and the easiest to target
>Resistance
Easy to avoid
>SR
Not as bad as people make it out to be
>Evasion
Shockingly rare in enemies
>No static damage
Yeah, dice only kind of sucks, but when you throw that many dice around, you tend to stop caring because it just feels so good.
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>>53717079
I mean it's easy to avoid if you have elemental rods lying around or want to raise your spell level by 1.
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>>53717050
What cabal?
>>
>>53717050
Not the guy you've been talking to. I wouldn't give out an email but I don't see the harm in giving up a Discord contact for the sake of common discussion. If you're shitting up the thread I might avoid it, but worst case scenario that someone does decide to start picking fights with you because you posted your Discord, you just block them and then post screens that the thread can laugh at. A lot of us have our information public in LFGs anyways if people had any reason to hunt us.

I'd post my Discord in thread if I ever wanted to talk to any of you faggots.
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>>53717079
>Yeah, dice only kind of sucks, but when you throw that many dice around, you tend to stop caring because it just feels so good.
No it still does shitty damage
>typically the worst save and the easiest to target
They still inflate to disgustingly high levels past shank town.
>Easy to avoid
Not really. Almost everything that will matter resists fire/Ice/Acid
>Shockingly rare in enemies
You'll be surprised.
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>>53717035
nigga you look like you need to calm your ass down before you pop a blood vessel, that and stop hallucinating you're on a different board.
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>>53717035
There ain't nothin' wrong with wanting a penis, love.
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>>53717118

I even like traps but you guys are really annoying about it, like the rest of 4chan.
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>>53717159
Yeah, there is nothing wrong with lusting for dick. It's still gay though. The only part I'm not ok with is the mental gymnastics people go through for "man I sure do love cock in my ass, but it's not gay tho!".

Go get your ass railed as much as you want, but nigga u gay.
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>>53717183
It's only gay if you're only attracted to men and you are a man. Pegging isn't gay, and neither are straight women.
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>>53717201
>Cock in my ass isn't gay

:thinking:
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>>53717201
Pegging is pretty gay.

Sexuality is a sliding scale imo. It might not be full on homo, but wanting things up your ass isn't exactly straight either especially when that thing is phallic.
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>>53717170
You are the one who escalated this. You are the one doing the gymnastics. The faggot in this equation is quite literally you.
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>>53717238
>>53717244
>Homosexuality
>sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex.

Hey, a prostate massage is great, don't knock it till you try it.
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>>53717050
You CAN make "decontamination servers". That's what I do.
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>>53717251

>anon thinks everyone is samefag

Try harder, son.
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>>53713028
Im really feeling that the ensoulment team is going to be whatever composition would make for the best debate club, just going by my understanding of Protag and the criticisms hes given apps thus far. The number of actual philosopher types is alarmingly small given this, and that angle is probably what you want to exploit to get an easy in.

The celebs have honestly mostly dropped the ball in this regard, on top of geneally having bad availability.

I frankly get the feeling ensoulment is going to set up a new team of new celebs for everyone to wank about over the next several months while the old ones settle for their already large list of past games.
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>>53717358
Nah dude, its not gonna be a 'debate club'. He wasn't looking for philosophers at all

Protag was looking for characters that become memes, in the Kojima/Classical sense.
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NEW FRED:
>>53717392
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>>53717358

Who are you guessing, then?
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>>53717358
I really have no clue why you "debate club" types think that. General adventuring is -explicitly- called out as something you'll be doing, so naturally apps will all generally have to get along with each other.
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>>53716865
Dude that's all the SJWs want. Big multicolored cocks on women, and no cocks on white men. once that gets accepted they'll move on from pico-aggresssions to femto-aggressions.

Because it isn't about getting someone accepted. It's about getting to be offended if there's so much as a hint of confusion. "gender" is just a low-hanging fruit: You see wide hips, tits, no adams apple, a fit body, and your DNA says "we should stick it in this one and make babies". So it's easy to be 'offended' as long as they argue against basic biology. It's just a new angle of attack on sex because the "god's agents will fucking rape you in hell" don't work so good no more. Religion's for the most part lost reproductive domination in these countries, so someone else has stepped up to the plate to claim the ultimate societal control jackpot.
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>>53717253
The finger of the girl whose pussy you're inside of will suffice.

cock in your ass, that's pretty fucking gay. There's nothing wrong with being gay, but people need to accept that that's what they're after.

When a man's favorite part of sex is another man's genitals, they need to leave the closet for a bit.
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>>53712661
>5.6 MB
jesus.
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>>53717701
Fuck off /pol/
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>>53717404
is there not literally a geisha bard? Why not do that?
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