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Does the pimp cane count as a power maul?

>>53707838
Any word on Secutarii getting updates for 8th?

>>53707891
I can see an argument for power sword as well as power maul

1000 point severe autism list: I'm special edition

Standard force org

HQ
Emperor's Champion - 140 points
Troops
Crusader Squad #1 - Choppy designation
4 Additional Initiates, 9 Neophytes, 1 Sword brother, 2 power axes - 256 points
Crusader squad #2 Shooty cappy designation
5 additional neophytes, plasma gun, rhino - 170 points
Crusader Squad #3 Heavy designation
3 Additional initiates, 1 sword brother, plasma gun, lascannon - 157 points
++Fast attack
Bike squad, 2x meltas, 1x combi melta - 103 points
++Elites
Ironclad Dreadnought, double flamers, seismic hammer, drop pod - 180 points

1006/1000
Thoughts? What should i cut to make it sub-1000? Is this even good? Should i kill myself? How do i get a gf?

>>53707917
Space Marine army, Black Templar chapter

Also sorry about the formatting, i was just brainstorming it on my phone and wanted to write it out fast

Think I'm gonna start collecting either on the weekend or next week. Gonna buy first unit and paint starter set from local store to build some goodwill.

Quick question though: outside stuff like paints, clippers, brushes and so on, what else is essential? How many dice are needed?

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>>53707928
At least this many more if you gonna start with a hoard. Saw an orcs game on MWG where the dude had to roll 80 d6's.

>>53707928
Dice count depends on the army. Normally a brick of 36 does more than well enough.

You want a tape measure naturally, one that's reasonably sturdy so it holds it's shape when you extend it. I prefer auto-locking tape measures that only retract when I hold the button.

You'll also want a way to transport the models around. The box they came in works if they aren't too fragile, but once you start painting a safer transport options is recommended.

>>53707928
Not more than 1-2 boxes i'd say. Buy them from Chessex as the other anon is suggesting.

>>53707961
Plan on going Thousand Sons. Most I'll have to roll is 16 or so surely

>>53707917
Can't you just cut a neophyte or initiate from one of the squads to get sub 1000? Also is this a 7th ed. List?

>>53707981
Black templar glass house man here, you might want to reconsider your choice of army since they're not very strong. (Only applicable if you plan on playing to win)

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>People spelling 'horde' as 'hoard'

Gets me every fucking time

>>53707990
Yes it isa 7th, but 8th isn't out yet right? If it is, where can i find it and an 8th SM codex? Also you might be right about just cutting a dude

Are dark eldar better when run as dark eldar or as ynnari in 8th?

>>53707999
>Also you might be right about just cutting a dude

Wow slow down there, no need to get violent.

8th edition will be out next week on friday at midnight.

>be out of home of extended periods of time
>8th is leaked
>can't remember which models do i own so can't make lists

>tfw I can't afford the WH40k Limited Edition
>tfw it will probably sell out before I can raise the necessary capital
I wanted to use it even and not scalp it to a sucker like me on eBay or elsewhere.

Truly the darkest time-line.

>>53707917
>Ironclad Dreadnought, [...] drop pod
That's illegal
Also, I don't think you can get a dread + a drop-pod for 180pts anyway so check your maths

>>53707992
Not playing to win.

I want a shooty elite army and I think Space Marines are boring.

>>53707992
Oh feck off. It's far too early into this edition to be making statements like that. I mean, according to these threads, three days ago necrons and eldar were shit-tier unplayable, but yesterday they were apparently ridiculously OP. Don't tell people not to collect the army the love based on /tg/'s kneejerk fuckwittery.

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>>53708011
>A whole week to find out that Black Templars now have been entirely squatted after all the agressive infringements prior

>>53708019
7e List dude...

>>53708028
Fuck off noone plays that old shit

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remember June 9th 2017

>>53707917
>>53708019
Oh shit, you're playing 7th.
Well you really should say so

>>53708000
Dark eldar IMO. Power from pain is pretty great, and I'm not convinced soulburst will fire as often as people seem to think.

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>7th ed is now banned from /tg/ but 8th ed isn't out
I guess that means it's time for shitpost hyperdrive

>>53708036
What happened?

Is plasma just straight up better than melta now?

>>53708024
Hu, we already have all the rules mate. They aren't squatted, we have roughly the same options. Only thing is that there are no chapter tactics (not just for BT, for anyone, no one have chapter-tied rules ...for now, according to rumors about the codexes)

>>53708035
Apparently he does.

>>53708047
We have all the rules for 8th and quite a lot of fa/tg/uys have already played some games. Some shops even allow you to read the rules for free and try games of the new edition.

>>53707992
>not playing to win

Anon honey, the entire point of a game is to win.
I think you are confusing "play to win" with "win at all cost"

>>53708054
No...
Plasma is a great infantry killer, Melta is a solid vehicle/character/monster killer.

How do you guys think a Venerable Dread should be kitted out if I want it to baby sit a couple of Dev squads and have it counter charge anything that gets too close for comfort?

Thinking the CC weapon w/heavy flamer but don't know which to pick from the choice of twin-lascannon, heavy plasma cannon, and assault cannon.

>>53707838
why are APL and Hollywood distorted but Sark looks normal?

>>53708075
CC weapon Assault Cannon would be my go to. Get down as many shots as possible and kill shit before it gets close enough to consider charging.

>>53708074
8th didn't change my play style that much. I just use less models since my usual MSU list where I could put over 9 transport (will still paying for all of them) needs to be in a massive 4K game.

>>53708075
I'd go twin heavy bolter for anti-horde, Heavy plasma cannon if you fear Termi deep-strike, lascannon if you fear vehicles.

>>53708052
/pol/ posting saved a thread from heavy autism.

Is there a leak for the entire 8th rulebook?A
Searched the links but couldnt find it

>>53708075
>>53708075
Assault cannon is best for all around firepower, lascannon is for if you don't have enough high d weapons in your list, plasma cannons on dreads are a bad joke.

>>53708123
Has this thread been archived? I need to see this!

>>53708065
Are you autistic or straight retarded?

>>53708215
It should have a drawing of Cawl on the OP if it is.

On another note, if two units are still locked in combat from the previous turn, who strikes first in this new round of combat?

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>>53707838

How will the recent election effect 40k?

>>53708276
The players alternate picking units to fight starting with the player whose turn it is.

>>53707838
>black templars
If they're a melee chapter then why is their statline and USRs identical to that of any other marine?

>>53708276
whoever's turn it is picks a unit to fight
then the opponent picks
continues in rotation until everyone is done picking

>>53708100
Wow my 2,000point is now just over 1600 so I'm cosindering adding stuff.

>>53708292
>USR
thats cute

>There are people who play 7E in the current year

>>53708313
Don't.
Ironman that shit and take on 2,000pts with yoyr 1,600 pt army.

>>53708288
Corbachev will mandate Tau be given the main protagonist role

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>>53708289
>>53708299

That sounds really bad. Does it work in practice?

>>53708317
>playing that garbage heap that is 8th
How are those d6 earthshakers treating you?

>>53707891
It counts as power

>>53708338
Yes, and it works really well.

>>53708338
It's essentially the same as 7th edition barring significant initiative gaps

>>53708316
They are still a thing.

Do you think having AP listed as "+"(3) versus "-"(3) would speed up the game?
It seems pretty easy to consider a weapon's armor penetration value as a positive, especially from its own sheet. It also seems like an easier bit of math that doesn't break immersion.

>>53708350
It's BETTER coz its FASTER ok!

>>53707895
They're not in the upcoming FW indexes, so either in IA14 or not at all (i.e. 30k only)

>>53707998
It's the same thing you dumb idiot. Go learn English again.

>>53708338
I think it works really well.
First the units that charged this turn attack, which buffs CC units.
After that, starting with the active player, you pick units that haven't fought yet and attack with them, then your opponent chooses a unit.
Do you want to choose unit A over unit B to decimate his HQ or risk unit A losing a few guys because you really need unit B to strike first?

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>>53708368

How much faster does this game need to be????????????????????????????

We're talking seconds here. When will you fucking people be sated?????????

>>53707961
The very same dude counted wrong in just about every way possible, he should've been closer to half that many attacks

>>53708350
Don't know, I play Chaos.
And I didn't have any blast weapons in my army before, I had flame and line.

>>53708338
It is functional, but clunky and boring. Thankfully most combats are done in a single round, either because the unit that was charged was wiped or it fell back.

>>53708338
After watching battlereports, it looks like it does.

>>53707998
>People spelling 'horde' as 'hoard'

The horde is composed of models from the Player's hoard.

>>53708369
>1000 point games taking the same as 1850pts in 7th
>faster
Top kek

>>53708369
Since when is efficiency NOT a desirable aspect?

>>53708288
DUP will make the Imperium of Man real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOnVirSpRi4

>>53708390
They want a videogame where all the computations are made automatically. Because math sucks, amirite?

>>53708350
Pretty good. How are those riptide wings treating ya?

>>53708368
>Do you think having AP listed as "+"(3) versus "-"(3) would speed up the game?
How would this speed up the game

>>53708421
It will if you are a five-year-old who cannot do subtractions

>>53708368
you do realise AP is a modifier to the dice roll, right? the armour save is still three plus, you just apply a -3 to the die, effectively making it a 6+ save.

>>53708412
When it's at the cost of other aspects. I could have a 5 minute game of 40k consisting of a single model per side and it would be efficient, but it wouldn't be fun

>>53708390
>decide on mission
>roll off
>winner chooses deployment
>spend fifteen minutes deploying
>roll off
>winner if the roll off wins the game
>gg

>>53708440
Are you retarded?

>>53708420
>implying there are taufags in my flgs
>implying we dont outright refuse games against waacfags while the shitty random blasts are an integral part of the game
Ya dun goofed

>>53707971
best tape measures are from hardware stores, imho.

>>53708421
I think it might just be a mild dyslexic reaction that I experience but when i do math; i don't think "3-3=6".

>>53708436
Absolutely agree there, but now you're just strawmaning it. The way blasts and deviation were handled in 40k was retarded. Rolling the scatter die and fuckin around with opponents who can't draw a straight line in their head was a waste of time and effort. Is it better now? sure. Is it the best it could have been? Pretty sure it isn't, but I'll take an improvement over things being worse.

>>53708454
Sorry I forgot this was a no fun allowed zone.

Why we can wound on 7+ but cant save on 7+?

>>53708482
what about use blasts but make them hit or miss without scatter dic?

>>53708477
The minus is on the dice of the save roll.

>>53708435
I think that's his point, making it a + seems like it would make it easier to convey the concept to new people for me

Thoughts on paint scheme for Thousand Sons? Any cool non original ones?

Red and gold seems quite cool as an alternative.

>>53708464
So tell me what it is that blasts add to the game instead of being a faggot.

If a model has the FLY keyword, does that mean I can place it over other models? Wouldn't the base just slide off MCs?

>>53708390
Seconds of immersion breaking, clunky, backwards math that doesn't need to be that way. It's like a sentence that doesn't not suck.

>>53708054
d6 vs 2 wounds, but plasma does get 2 shots at melta range. I'm still on the fence about it.

Since melta still does as much max damage as a krak missile/lascannon, I'm more inclined to use lascannons. (wish it were 2d6 instead of 2xd6 pick higher).

>>53708413
Are Unionists the biggest cucks in history?

1000 points BLACK TEMPLARS

PATROL DETACHMENT

emperor's champion
5 Crusaders, meltagun ccw/bp and power fist
6 Crusaders, meltagun ccw/bp and power sword
Razorback tl hb
Razorback tl hb
Ironclad dreadnought ccw chainfist, meltagun and heavy flamer
Thunderfire cannon
5 crusaders 2 neophytes, ccw/bp, Flamer and power sword
Drop pod, stormbolter

Exactly 1000 points. Should i add more shooting?

>>53708502
>what does artillery add to a war
You didn't think before making that post did you? Also why are you acting like blasts were removed from the game?

>>53708371
Aww that's a shame. They look really cool.

>>53708485
>Why we can wound on 7+
We can't

>>53708501
White-gold-blue from Wrath of Magnus book. Conclave of rubrics, who returned their skeletons

>>53708395
this so much the amount of bonus raw killy his orks have from forgetting the rules was crazy

>>53708514
nope, still labour

>>53708288
In all seriousness, GW will probably keep its current pricing scheme. It would have gone up under a Labour government.

>>53708486
Then you lose the possibility of it completely landing on your unit or behind your tank. Where's the fun in that?
Seriously though, it should be a to hit roll with the result dictating how many models are hit. Placing the blast marker is an extra step that still leads to shit like:
"I hit 4 models"
"No you don't, you aren't really centered! you hit 3"
"Well now you bumped it so of course I hit 3"

>>53708513
Yeah, plasma is better all around, but remember that supercharging at rapidfire range has a 1/3 chance of killing you.

>>53708519
Why play Black Templars? Literally weaker loyalist World Eaters, they have 0 personality.

>>53708523
i mean hit. Or what we can do at 7+, 8+?

>>53708510
If only there was some sort of document that explicitly answered such questions. We could call it a "rulebook", perhaps.

> Wake up.
> Tories have blown it.
> Shits going to be a huge mess now.

Oh well, at least the new rules for 40K are out tod-

> Two week pre-order.
> Not out until the 17th.

Fucking hell...

>>53708551
But the rulebook doesn't say anything about it.

Getting into 40k cuz of 8th here

Which Chapter should I paint my primaris muhreens besides Smurfs?

>>53708496
I might be dense; but that doesn't make sense enough to basically double back on your own calculations. Every armor save too? When a more fluent way of saying the same thing is "+". There are probably more reasons my idea is bad though, so feel free to share.

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>>53708561

>>53708567
Dark angels... so rainbow colored.
Take an eldar detachment with them.

>>53708569
>roll dice to save
>AP-2
>reduce dice roll by 2

WOW ITS SO COMPLICATED

>>53708567
Make your own.
I'm doing mine metallic red and silver.

>>53708482
I'm glad that blasts and scatter were removed for efficiency too, but the lack of impact in current blasts really hurts. Whether you think it's a change for the better or worse depends on whether you feel efficiency or immersion is more important.

The sad part is that there are elements in the rules that they could've used as standard for blasts. "D6 shots or 2D6 if the target consists of X+ models" or "roll a die for every model in the unit, up to a maximum of X models" actually feel like explosions.

>>53708521
Because blasts were removed. Why are you acting like artillery has been removed?

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>>53708578

>>53708569
It's really a question of how you look at it. You see the armour save as being modified where as actually, it's the result on the die. But I agree, with the whole X+ heuristics in the statlines, writing it as a + would make more sense. However, they used minus, so just try to wrap your head around it asap.

>>53708540
True. But since I play guard, being at 1/2 melta range has a 99% chance of killing me.

>>53708574
>they can move across models and terrain as if they were not there
That doesn't really answer my question.

>>53708584
>rolls armor save
>3+
>3+ what?
>+2
Wow it's less complicated...

>>53708567
imho if you're not attached to the fluff of any of the big ones, always make your own chapter. You have more flexibility fluffwise to give them a good story.

>>53708510
the fly thing is a fucking keyword, it isn't even actual fliers like the unit type that has it, like, I'm sure you can't place an assault squad on top of something else, but they have the keyword if they took jump packs

>>53708615
Well unless you find a way to end your move on top of other models and more than 1" away from them. You could do it in theory.

>everyone is making tiny tables with more than an inch in hight in order to leave models on top of other models

>>53708588
>blasts were removed
>statlines literally say blast d6
Lmao

>>53708510
Read the rulebook

No, flyers ignore models and scenery while moving but they still have to end their move in an empty legal space

Does 8e have any limitations of using Psychic powers in close combat?

>For example if a Librarian is locked in close combat with a Chaos Lord. Can he smite? And if so does it hit the Chaos Lord?

>>53708615
You can't end your move within 1" of an enemy without charging. Nothing about flying changes this. What do you find difficult to understand here?

>>53708603
I see… I thought there was maybe still time to have ideas and give feedback. I think this is a good one unless there's advanced, more complex reasons not to.

>>53708603
I think it's just a matter of consistency. Other modifiers, such as on to hit and to wound rolls, are written as affecting the dice roll rather than the required result, (because they can be positive or negative,) so the AP rule has been written in the same way.

>>53708610
Oh shit, you're guard? You have rerolling 1s out the wazoo.
Plasma all the way bro

>>53708587
You hit the nail on the head here. It's a question of striking the right balance and adjusting. Sad that models don't have a living rules sheet, because as much as it's a good idea to keep points seperate for rebalancing, it's just as hard now as it was before to adjust special rules. It think there are tons of ways they could have reworked blast and they picked this one for better or for worse. We're stuck with it till next edition.

>>53708631
They don't have to be more than 1" away though.

>>53708618
Or you could learn to do subtraction since you obviously skipped the entirety of 1st grade.

its a grey area. i would assume no, unless you can have the base somehow now on top of other models. if you think of physical location as a 3d plane and not a 2d one

>>53708649
I had a similar question about whether you can use psychic powers while in a transport, particularly an open topped one you can shoot from. Don't see why you shouldn't be able to, but didn't find anything that actually said one way or the other.

>>53708645
>>53708650
Where does it says any of this? The manual only mentions moving ACROSS other models.

>>53708664
I'm sure there is a rule stating you can't be closer than 1". Since within 1" it is melee.

>>53708664
yes they do.
They can ignore models when moving ACROSS, not when ending move.

>>53707838
Anyone knows any examples of scout marines fitted to void combat? Hermetically sealed armor, helmets etc.

Pics would be apreciated.

>>53708664
they do unless theyve charged, right?

>>53708618
3+ means "3 or higher" you dumb fuck

>>53708677
Exactly? It does not mention anything special about where fliers can end their move, so they use the normal rules and have to say 1" away.

>>53708677
"Ignore them while moving across"

Flying does not give you the ability to ignore them when you finish your move.

>>53708682
Yeah but that's base to base. If it doesn't touch the base it's good with most models.

Also what does that have to do with FLY units?

>>53708683
But where does it say that? I mean the model IS flying, a jet won't have much trouble hovering over some grots.

>>53708667
It's the difference between a clear sentence and one with a double-negative. I learned that in 2nd!!

>>53708701
More offensive is the rules that the flier can't turn because its so fast, so its forced to potentially fly off the table if you mess up your positioning, but it can still fire its fixed guns backwards.

I understand it for rules reasons, but logic wise it still makes my soul hurt.

>>53708721
>But where does it say that? I mean the model IS flying, a jet won't have much trouble hovering over some grots.
JETS

CANT

HOVER

YOU TWAT

>>53708192
>Assault cannon is nest for all around firepower
I'm not sure about that. Twin heavy bolter has 12" more range and still S5. Same number of shots, and cheaper. Assault cannon is better against T6 (so light vehicles, not exactly what your supposed to aim with this gun), and T3. I think the 12" (and an almost guaranteed additionnal turn of shooting) makes up for it.

>>53708696
HAHAHA at (you)

>>53708639
>Earthshaker Cannon
>Heavy d6
This is the bit where you say you were only pretending to be retarded.

>>53708721
This post answers your question.
>>53708574

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>>53708639
>blast d6
wat.

>>53708691
Yes, but flying units are technically always more than 1" because they're in the air.

>>53708701
>>53708717
But it says they are flying, so they ignore that. The rulebook doesn't debate this to my knowledge.

>>53708721
>What do the movement rules have to do with units that move by flying?
Are you genuinely this stupid?

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>>53708656
WAIT. Take Aim rerolls invalidate plasma-death? Holy crap now I'm thinking about 4-plasma command squads.

>>53708751
>the book doesnt say that i DONT instantly generate 50 victory points !!

Youre insufferable

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What are the best Leman Russ variants to take for 8th?
What are the worst?

>>53708751
The rulebook does no state that they ignore that rule, so they don't. You literally just said that. What makes you think they do?

>>53708751
if i were playing you, and your model was over mine, as long as your base wasnt on my model or bases, and your model was 1" or more away from my models, i would have no problem with your flyer being over them, if you could somehow find a way for these conditions to be met.
theres no rule i think about bases overlapping, but its kind of shit to stick your base on theirs, especially if theyre nicely painted

also, nowhere does it say because they are flying does it ignore the 1" restriction.

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>>53708774

best are demolisher, punisher, executioner

battle cannon and exterminator are meh

vanquisher is terribad

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>>53708735
YOU DARE DISRESPECT GLORIOUS MIKOYAN-GUREVICH ENGINEERING?

A single jumppack soldier can be in close combat with a tank and a supersonic fighter jet at the same time.

Fucking show offs.

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>>53708774
Tho TBF, I don't know how accurate this is.

>>53708774

all of them suck.

punisher is the only one you can get value out of.

the rest are overnerfed point sinks. not actual tanks.


t. salty lemon man proud owner of 9 lemons

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Forgive me if it's in the OP,

But is there a rundown of changes in 8th Edition?

>>53708812

The Exterminator doesn't seem THAT bad, though I definitely agree with the Vanquisher placement.
Why is the Demolisher good? Doesn't it get fewer hits against low-count units?

>>53708554
You know I realize that I know shit about brit politics, yet for some reason you people know about US politics.

>>53708745
My point still stands faggot. Blasts added actual immersion and realism by simulating the explosion, with adequate size for the time of explosive used. Right now every fucking thing has apparently the same blast radius.

>>53708846
Its basically Age of Sigmar but with 40k models

>>53708810

>Stormraven rams a beatstick to eat all the hits before blowing up spectacularly, but saves the rest of the units going into melee with said beatstick

Well this game got crazier.

>>53708567
Space Wolves, or Blood Angels.

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>>53708761
>deepstrike a squad of terminators all equiped with combi-plasmas and a lord next to them.
>hose them down with extra strength plasma
>reroll ones so I dont lose models
That's so...! Obvious.

Why did I need this pointed out to me.

>>53708864
blast radius is measured by number of wounds

effective damage is measured by, well, damage

anti infantry (blast templates) have high wounds, low damage

anti vehicle have low wounds, high damage

its literally the same system but with less shit for people to argue over

also, far be it from me to tell you what to do, but try not to just outright insult people. i cling to the hope that /tg/ can discuss things without resorting to name-calling like other boards, and it makes me sad when people resort to insults inplace of arguments.

>>53708826
>salty lemon man proud owner of 9 lemons

sup me

stop painting and take a nap you got work in two hours

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>>53708567
Follow your heart*

>* heart in this case is the flow chart.

>>53708541
Because i like black templars?
Seriously, what Kind of stupid questione is this?

>>53708868
I know absolutely nothing of Age of Sigmar other than it's Fantasy.

>>53708793
>>53708774
just saw that the exec is actually cheaper than the battle cannon.

Starting to consider a Exec+2 plasma russ. Just not sure about the hull. Lascannon would be synergy with the ap (-3) but heavy bolter would be synergy with the infantry-killing (3 shots).

Russ w hb, executioner and plasma sponsons is 200 points.

>>53708914
Say here is a question...
given their stance on Guiliman's table stabilizer and book shelf decorator (can't find any other use for it)...why don't they get along more?

>>53708735
In the 41st millenium they can, considering they can stop on the table.

>>53708747
Not really, it treats a different point than what I asked.

>>53708759
Not my fault you cant answer coherently.

>>53708767
Man it literally doesn't explain if your models can be placed over others.

>>53708787
That they are flying.

>>53708789
>also, nowhere does it say because they are flying does it ignore the 1" restriction.
It does though, they are flying.

>>53708846
both players roll a dice
the player who has the most Tyranids wins

>>53708864
Funny. I don't recall you making that point at all. You just started mouthing off without actually telling me what you like about blasts. And I dont see how blasts were any more immersive. You're telling me bombs have a perfectly circular kill radius where if you stand in one spot you die but if you stand an inch to the left you're fine?

Blast markers were no less abstract than the current system.

>>53708968
>Man it literally doesn't explain if your models can be placed over others.

You can't end your movement phase closer than an inch to enemy models. Being on top of them is closer than an inch.

You're retarded.

>>53708972
What the same dice? I thought you couldn't roll your opponent's dice in 8th, and the dice has to belong to one of them.

This needs a FAQ immediately.

>>53708968
>also, nowhere does it say because they are flying does it ignore the 1" restriction.
It does though, they are flying.

show me

>>53708968
>That they are flying.
Do you think that means they can ignore any of he usual rules you like, or just the ones that the description of flying says you can? Because it doesn't say you can ignore the 1" placement rule.

>>53708948
Okay your WS and BS are now flat to hit numbers...
S v T is still the way to determine to damage but...
Wound chart changed to is S 1/2(or less) T than 6+, Is S less than T 5+, Is S = T than 4+, Is S greater than T 3+, Is S 2x (or more)T2+.

This means a Plasma weapon that wounded a Space marine on a 2+ for the last 3 editions will now wound them on a 3+ T4 got a lot beefier.

Still a little annoyed Cover doesn't modify To Hit Rolls. Or at least also give a bonus to invulnerable saves...

>Oh your Keeper of Secrets is 90% obscure. I'm still shooting it. Enjoy your +1 to your Armour Save, for a 5+ Save same as your invulnerable :^)

>>53709008
>T4 got a lot beefier

I think it's actually a good thing considering marines are supposedly way tougher than a regular guy fluffwise.

>>53709008
Interesting. Thanks Anon.

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>>53708968
except in model-specific circumstances with additional rules, this is the extent of the 'fly' rule.
show me where it says you can ignore the 1" minimum distance rule.

>>53708989
kekd

So, based on 7E chapter tactics, what would work best with the released models of Primaris marines?

why can't orks bike turboboost but sm can? damn gw

>>53708932
I'd say that was pretty much a bad bait lol

Otherwise I don't even understand it

>>53709008
Not to mention that they arent so boned by the new AP system as they were before, a marine can still save a krak missile in the face, and will in cover do so on a 4+ or a 5+ out of cover, before it was just you get to save or you dont, and if you dont you die.

>>53709062
>based on 7E chapter tactics
>primaris marines

????

>>53709017
Modifying to hit would hamstring Orks so bad.

>>53709017
>Invulnerable saves should get positive modifiers.
>No negative ones though :^)

>>53708738
If only the dreadnought sprue came with a twin-heavy bolter.... :(

>>53709076
Yeah, odd question I know. Just saying that if you were to apply the outdated chapter tactics to Primaris marines what would work best for them theoretically?

>>53709101
How could you even do this

>>53709101
Ultramarines or Iron Hands.

>>53709095
>In the 41 millennia there is still duck-tape

>>53708846
No initiative, some units like howling banshees and daemonettes just automatically go first in CC. Otherwise the charger goes first in CC.
The S vs T grid is gone, instead it's wound on 2+ if S is 2X or more than T, 3+ if it's greater, 4+ if it's equal, 5+ if it's less, 6+ if it's half or less.
Fulfilling different force-org charts gives you Command points, which you can spend to do different things, the most common of which is 1CP to re-roll a single die, can only be done once per phase.
Psykers now just roll 2D6, try to beat a value for the power, and then cast it. Enemy psykers can deny the witch by rolling 2d6 and trying to beat the opponent's roll. Each psyker can only cast or deny the witch a certain number of times per psychic phase as described in their stats, and only one power other than "Smite" which does D3 mortal wounds (more on those later) to the closest visible unit within 18". Perils on double 1 or 6, does D3 mortal wounds to every unit within 6".
Mortal wounds are used to speed up a lot of things, and are unsavable except for FNP equivalents
Wound allocation; defender allocates wounds.
Characters act independently, don't attach to a unit. Instead buff things in an aura around them, and can only be targeted by an attack if they're the closest unit or you're using snipers.
Pistols can be fired in CC, grenades are used in the shooting phase but have short range, Assault is -1 to hit if you Advanced that turn (run), heavy is -1 to hit if you moved at all.
The basic rule for cover is +1 to saves, but there's more complex stuff for more complex terrain in the core book. Some sneaky units add 2 instead of 1 to cover saves
AP is like AoS rending, it's a penalty to enemy saves.
Leadership is used for morale tests. After a turn in which a unit lost models, roll a D6. Add that value to the number of models lost. If it's greater than the LD of the unit, the unit loses the difference in models.
No AV or facings, vehicles are monstrous creatures

Does anyone have that comic with the obliterators? My friend thinks they are good and I want to send it to him.

>>53709148
I thought all slaneeshi daemons went first. Or did that fucker lie to me?

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Post your army's 'Godzilla' unit: the biggest, killiest, most dangerous single model (including transported stuff) you can put on the board.

>>53709101
Imperial Fists
but it's kind of stupid when they don't even have flamers so they can't use Salamander to its fullest for example

>>53709148
>1CP to re-roll a single die, can only be done once per phase.

are you only allowed to spend a CP for a re-roll once in the entire phase, and you can never re-roll any other dice during that phase?

>>53709159
They do. Quicksilver switfness.

>tfw no non-black legion traitor deathwatch

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>>53709161

Stormlord with 4 sponsons, 6 heavy weapon teams, and 4 ratlings.

>26 wounds
>T8, 3+
>nearby Psykers can make it 2+
>Vulcan mega bolter
>4 lascannons
>4 twin heavy flamers/twin heavy bolters
>twin heavy bolter
>18 lascannons/autocannons/mortars/missile launchers/ heavy bolters
>4 sniper rifles

Come at me, heretic.

>>53709207
Red Corsairs.

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>>53709161

>>53708069
What if I want to play a suicide narrative match which I will clearly lose but creates a cool narrative moment such as last stand or last glorious charge against something else or oh shit they summoned the big ass demon

>>53709206
Well fuck why didn't you tell me sooner. I killed this guy for no reason.

>>53709222
God, I miss the 3rd Ed Codex where Red Corsairs were literally loyalists with a couple Chaos bits and their heraldry painted over with red.

Lord commissar with Power Fist+Power Axe or Power Fist+Power Maul?

It is me or meltas are now shit? Or at least underwhelming

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>I want a dreadknight proxy
>What kind of proxy?
>Just fuck my shit up

>>53709192
Just one per phase, so pick the right roll
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/14/new-warhammer-40000-stratagems-may14gw-homepage-post-4/

>>53709094
I mean fuck AOS got away with no Invulnerables and seems to be fine. But right now covers a zero sum either:
>you can place your model out of line of sight.
Or
>it does nothing

>>53709078
Give Ork units
>Orky "Aiming"
>Orks don't actually aim. So the worst they can hit on is a 5+. Orky "Aiming" does not work for Overwatch.

>>53709241
Don't mind him, not everyone plays to win and narrative games like that are always fun - if you can get the other guy to agree with you.

Pretty much the most frustrating thing that can happen if you do a glorious last stand mission is that the other guy is a WAAC asshole who wins and then keeps gloating because he didn't get the point of the game.

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>>53709264

>>53709095
Take two of the bastion heavy bolters and glue them on in place of the assault cannon. Works like a charm.

>>53709264
>Massive fucking Tau marks on the legs
>awfully tacked-on gun
>terrible paint job
1/10, would not cleanse Chaos with

>>53709273
>Alter one rule to satisfy your simulation autism
>Have to create other rules for factions that would get fucked by it
This is why I'm glad you didn't design 8th.

>>53709264
the more i look at it the worse it gets

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I'm considering converting this tank (when it's released) into a Leman Russ. I'm pretty sure it's a bit bigger than the Leman Russ, but I'm fine with a disadvantage if I get to use the models I want. As far as the conversion I want to keep most of model untouched so I'd basically just put some effort into making the different turret weapon options, for example I for the battlecannon I was going to use a Knight Titan BC and try to fit it in place of the punisher cannon.

If I use a suitable IG paintjob, do you guys think I'd have any trouble convincing people it's a LR count-as?

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>>53709161
That would have to be one of my knights.

>>53709314
Yup. Instead we got Bland™: The Game™

>Remember when New Games Workshop™ said all units would be useful.

Also:
>Change one rule to better flow with the game.
>But what about the 1 army in 30 where this might affect poorly!?

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>>53709159
Each of the Chaos Gods has a rule that is common to their Daemons.

>>53709357
You are such a fucking retard lol

>>53709343
it's pretty fucking big, so good luck with all that.

Anyone has any idea how to make fucking Repentias squads to work?

They seem even worst now.

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Deathwing Vanguard Detachment:
Belial: 150pts

Deathwing Champion: 118pts

Deathwing Terminators: 245pts
+ Chainfist: 22pts
+ Power Fist x3: 60pts
+ Power Sword: 4pts
+ Assault Cannon: 21pts
+ Storm Bolter x4: 8pts

Deathwing Terminators: 253pts
+ Lightning Claws: 13pts
+ Power Fist x3: 60pts
+ Storm Shield: 5pts
+ Thunder Hammer: 20pts
+ Storm Bolter x2: 4pts
+ Plasma Cannon: 21pts

Deathwing Knights: 225pts

Total: 991pts

pls r8

>>53709382
I told you already, 10/10

>>53708526
1) pistols (or sluggas) don't have +1 attack anymore
2) You dont get an automatic extra hit from charging

That alone should have been -2 attacks per boy

>>53709382
Ill fite u m8

Grey Knight Vanguard Detachment

-Grand Master Voldus, 190

-Paladin Ancient, 142
+Nemesis Falchion, 0

-Apothecary, 92
+Nemesis Warding Stave, 0

-Paladin Squad, 275
+4 Nemesis Force Halberd, 0
+1 Daemon Hammer, 13

-Land Raider Crusader, 244
+Twin Assault Cannon, 35
+Hurricane Bolterx2, 8

Total, 999

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So is there a decent list for Mechanicus out yet? I know a lot of the cogboys have been struggling with HQ fulfillment, what solutions have people come up with?

or are they just crap?

>>53709264
Dragging his limp ass foot across the battlefield.

>>53707961
After reading this article some time ago I'm leery of pipped dice

https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/That%27s_How_I_Roll_-_A_Scientific_Analysis_of_Dice

>>53709382
You gotta pay more for those Knights, bro

Storm shields are 5 points a pop

>>53709398
>8th edition is simple as fuck
>People still fuck it up and then post their fuckups after the fact online

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Your going to support /our guy/ right?

>>53709404
>8 Paladins and their Land Raider

>>53709422
>tfw you use craps dice
Feels good when you have the most balanced dice in the store.

>>53709404
10/10

>>53709426
benis

no wonder they're so cheap

https://youtu.be/d-zHUmLYuvY
>We're focusing more on chaos and the Imperium and less on... the peripheral things.
Xenosfags really aren't going to be allowed to recover until at least 9e huh?

>>53709450
Yeah, but it's only 250 total. They're still one of, if not the, best choppy Terminators. If you stick these guys in front of an interrogator-chaplain they're goddamn monsters.

>>53709438
You mean the guy who ruined my faction two codizes in a row? He can rot behind a shed for all I care.

>>53709363
Wait they don't go first tgey alternate with chargers. So that piece of shit actually did lie to me.

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Post BRRRT.

If the new Vulture rules are good and I can fit it in my trunk I'm building one of these. Fug that huge engine intake, redundancy a best.

8th is like a reset of 40k but monkey paw edition. the rules are uninteresting 50 versions of the same ability and elongated translations of the same thing over from 7th.

I wanted delineation but not like this. it will be literal years before any flavour is reintroduced to the rules for each faction along with actual rules for vehicles. but then they'll fuck it up (probably being all cruddace's fault) and make it as bloated as 7th was again.

plus there was no reason to take out universal special rules. they were a great way to see what a unit does at a glance. now every unit has 'feel no pain' but a different wording that you have to explain is just feel no pain from previous editions.

oh well. im looking at it wrong anyway. i should just enjoy my models and not give a rats ass about how they perform on the table tbqh. i just thought I might live to see the day when the game is as fun as the army building.

/blog

>>53709343
Its only a tiny tiny bit below the size of a land raider..

Source: I have two sicarans

I can't seem to find the point costs for the DeathWatch Black Shields anywhere in the index pdf. Are they just costed as normal veterans?

>>53709046
where it says that a model with fly measures from it's model, not it's base.

As long as you can position your flyers at least 1" above the enemies head, they can go anywhere

is Cruddace gonna get cruddaced today or are GSC not looking that great this Ed? Who cheesy will his list be?

>>53709482
Do a whole list of Vultures, Punishers and Taurox Primes.

Thoughs on list? Bit slow maybe.

Vanguard Detatchment

Ahriman on Disc 166
Helbrute with twin lascannon and power scourge 165

5 Scarab Occult Terminators with Soulreaper Cannon and Hellfyre Missiles 266

Helbrute with twin lascannon and helbrute fist with combi bolter 164

10 Tzaangors with Tzaangor Blades and Instrument of Chaos 140

10 Rubric Marines with Soulreaper Cannon and Warpflamer
256

10 Rubric Marines with Soulreaper Cannon and Warpflamer
256

Rhino with Havoc Launcher and Combi Bolte 83

Total points for army 1496

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>>53709497
The guy he's playing against is his boss, even if he wins he loses

>>53709501
Well I have 3 punishers on the way, I plan to magnetize them, and I already have 2 Taurox Primes, so yes, I can do this.

Anyone else like that conversion? Think it would fly in a GW shop?

>>53709445
Seriously a great investment against Chaos in the dice

anything interesting from todays stream yet?

>>53709483
KYS

>>53709489
...damn

>>53709519
What if they are secretly playing for the position and so much more is at stake

>>53707838
Daily reminder 40K is dead replaced with Age of Sigmar.

>>53709376
>>53709486
I don't own a Leman Russ because I'm not a fan of the model, how does that compare? I'm having a tough time finding LR size comparisons through google.

>>53709208
why the ratlings? 20 models can fire so just have 20 HWT with lascannons or missile launchers.

Have the ratlings hiding behind the Stormlord. Move-shoot-move so they can stay hidden during the opponent's turn.

>>53709544

Khorne Yodels Sensually?

>>53709457
Eh, as an Eldar player enough has happened to my faction in fluff lately to satiate me. I understand the Muhreens are the big seller for GW, and as long as I'm not squatted, I'm happy. Though I wouldn't mind new Pheonix Lord sculpts, the old ones are ridiculous looking next to the new stuff. Honestly, I'd be more angry if I was a Tau player, since they haven't done a whole lot with how the alterations in the galaxy and how that'll naturally affect the Tau's position in the galaxy.

>>53709519
>he's playing against his boss
Like pottery

>>53709483
Everything you just whined about is exactly what everyone was crying about back during the transition from 2nd to 3rd

>>53709264
Basing doesn't get much lazier than that

>>53709562
Khorne Yaoi (with) Slaanesh

>>53709511
>taking warpflamer rubrics without giving them a rhino
???

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>>53709519
>Nu-GW re-creating Rorke's Drift with Praetorians and Orks

Fuckin' ace

>>53709380
put them in a god damn transport. missing the assault rule is no longer a problem

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GET READY BUGFUCKERS
THE CRUD IS HERE

>>53709561
They come in groups of 3, anon. You can't take more than 6 full units.

>>53709574
>go to local park
>grab sand
>splatter PVA glue on base
>pour sand on PVA glue
>???
>profit
God I hate lazy bastards like this.

>>53709529
I had trouble magnetizing the Punisher/Demolisher turrets. I just left them as Punishers. I have the LRBT turrets magnetized nicely, but I won't really do much with those.

>>53709483
>plus there was no reason to take out universal special rules
There were lots of reasons

Good reasons

And thats why they did it

>>53709445
It's stupidly easy to cheat with craps dice when you don't roll them against a wall though

>>53709560
You sicarian will be stupidly oversized in comparison to a leman

>>53709608
pls elaborate

>>53709624
>spoonfeed pls ;_;

>>53709564
>1997 is the best year according to GW

I know not even GW cares about my army, but for fuck sake update everyone else old as balls models before making more marine shit.

>>53708409
New rules vs. Old. You've gotta give them time to get used to them, before you judge whether it's faster or not.

>>53709625

so you dont have any reasons?

well you sure showed me :)

>>53709619
Obviously it's a pattern from a world with inferior materials and technology that had to compensate with size.

>>53709625
>Makes claim
>Please back up your claim
>N-no
Jesus Christ.

>>53709438
I've hoped Crud gets cancer for his pettiness & damage to the hobby & community, but with how well 8th has turned out thus far, I'll settle for his just being wrecked on TT.

>>53709615
Which is why I use a dice tray.

>>53709608
Right now we are back to 3rd

Same rule over and over again spread all over the place under a different name.

So please explain how removing universal special rules is a good idea

>>53709264
When you want to trigger 5th ed, 7th ed AND paintfags

>>53709482
I like that conversion. It's obviously geedubs but is both visually distinct from the Valkyrie chassis and also has enough similar parts that you could easily see the munitorum going for it.

And the Vulture's selling point has always been agility, not speed. That giant engine taking up the entire fuselage made no sense to me.

>>53708893
It only works on Imperial Guard units. But a SM captain gives the same buff.

>>53709626
But anon, GW makes more Marines because that's what sells. They're a highly logical and competent company that does extensive market research to see what people want before making new models :^)

>>53708914
>No Deathwatch

HERETICS!

>tfw forgot to add extra wargear on so my list is 16pts over what i originally calculated
What are your thoughts on this? Would you allow it in a friendly game or no?

>>53709619
Damn. The Leman Russ is so gimpy and small for the size of its gun, it should probably be closer to a Land Raider in size. But I can't change that, so I probably have to forget the idea.

Damn FW and their beautiful 30k SM vehicles.

>>53709679
>only produce marine models and only write good rules for marine models
>naturally that is all that sells because it's the only thing you are producing
>SEE HOW WELL MARINES ARE SELLING? LETS MAKE MORE!

>>53709684
If you have a ton of extra wargear you could probably drop a few points just fine

>>53709661
Because they tried remocubg USRs and people hated it because it took the flavor out of their armies.

And the rules aren't the same. Units that have ways of getting around Mortal Wounds all do it differently. Nurglites get the FnP roll, Necrons get to get back up after they've been killed, Spare marines get apothecaries, and so on.

>>53709656
I usually don't pay attention to the developers. What exactly did Cruddace do that was petty and damaging?

>>53709225
Kek, never has a model been more OP

>>53709684
>I can't do basic math
>I don't bother to check my math

Fix your shit, we have calculators now in our fucking phones is not hard.

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>>53709457
I like how primaris pushes chaos manlet into abyss.

>>53709718
but muh WYSIWYG autism

>>53709684
That's a question for the person you're playing, and you better actually fucking tell them. Don't ask us for permission to cheat and then not bring it up to your opponent, that'd be rude.

>>53709647
The burden of proof is on the person that made the original claim that there were no reasons to remove USR

Learn 2 debate

>>53709656
>namefag thinks his opinion matters
Crud made 8th and 8th made orks great, more than your shitty fandex ever did.

>>53709707
I'm talking about the same rule.

Re-roll to hit, re-roll 1s, +1 attack, heal d3 or revive 1 single model, etc

There are a bunch of models that have the same rule over and over again.

>>53709711
Ruined maybe 4, possibly 5, codices in 40k and whfb

>>53709564
>durr i play eldar i dun care that xenos take the back seat
Fuck you. Orks have done absolutely nothing in years but job to space furries over a literal who system that didn't even have Orks as the final bad guys.
FUCKING KEKED BY KHORNE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53709721
>That dude just chillin on the rail

>>53709413
how is the Dominus anyway?

>>53709721
What's up with the one non-primaris guy on the left there?

>no primaris knees
>not built like a primaris
>no gorget

>>53709760
>comedic race gets pummeled
>everything is right in the world

>>53709745
I was wondering why some of the point costs were so retarded.

>>53709765
ace as always

>>53709765
Ok. His killing potential is sub-par, especially considering cost, buuut he can heal himself and others out the ass. 6-7/10

>>53709748

this

>>53709707

necrons never had feel no pain. ur a fuckin faget

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Would it be too far-fetched if Guilliman managed to score a permanent kill on one of the traitor primarchs?

>>53709847
Obviously Guilliman will kill all the traitor primarchs, before ripping Abbadon's arms off and beating him with them.

>>53709847
>permanent kill on one of the traitor primarchs?
cant and wont happen
they are immortal daemons now, and GW wants to sell new primarch models

>>53709595

Detachment: Spearhead
Company commander
hws lascannon x6
command squad, lascannon hwt

Detachment: Super-heavy
Stormlord


that's 6 hws fill the last 4 slots with a 4-man command squad for that 19th hwt, give one veteran another gun.

>>53709842
You're a goddamn moron.

7e RP had the EXACT SAME WORDING as FnP. Make a roll for 'unsaved wounds' and treat them as saved if you make it.

The only difference was that you could take it vs ID at a penalty.

>>53709875

still feel like Guilliman killing Lucius the Vile properly and then having an epic final fight with Fulgrim before destroying him utterly would be pretty amazing from an Imperium fan's pov

Fulgrim vs. Robot feels deeply personal, so I want a proper conclusion.

>>53709767
Are you imagining things anon? All imperial fists there are clearly primaris, another thing you can look at is the circle thing in their boot. regardless all have primaris knee pads (alas maybe not as marked as in the actual minis)

>>53709625
>POLAND BURNED WHITE HOUSE ONCE
>uh, what? post proof
>LMAO U WANT TO GET SPOONFED Xd?

>>53709890
I dunno on the exact choice of heavy weapons. Too much lascannon and you're in a punch vs blobs.

OTOH you are using the Stormlord, which has literally 10 heavy bolters and the mega bolter on it. So...sure, why not.

Be a bit pricey, though.

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>>53709841
I keep forgetting everyone has more wounds now, so with the auto-heal d3, things can like...live way onger.

he can't heal himself btw (unless you mean the bionics)

>>53709909
>killing Lucius the Vile properly
might happen as he was cursed to feel no pride from his victories, allowing him to kill lucius with impunity
>having an epic final fight with Fulgrim before destroying him utterly would be pretty amazing
welll....
>from an Imperium fan's pov
who could have guessed
>Fulgrim vs. Robot feels deeply personal
guilliman also has grudges to settle with lorgar, magnus, angron and kor phaeron, but I doubt he's going to kill any of them

>>53709917
No, look. The guy on the left has the wrong kneepads.

Artist error maybe?

>>53709847
>Daemon
>permanent death

they're respawning somewhere else

Unless you mean he kills Lion

>>53709893

you just contradicted yourself

youre a daft cunt.

>>53709929
Oh, was just thinking max damage as the original poster asked (most killy). But if I were to actually do this, I'd probably just go 18 heavy bolters and the lascannon on the command squad (bs 3+). 18 heavy bolters, combined with what's on the Stormlord will probably make pretty much anything evaporate.