warhammer 40k general /40kg/

First for you fucking mongloids didn't make a new thread before the old one autosaged.

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TANK STRONK! NUKE ENTIRE THREAD!

Get wrecked infantry!

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What's the deal with old prone models and Los today?
If I place these behind a chest wall high am I able to fire? I want these dudes but I know being in cover and being to fire gonna be a pain in the ass compared to other weapons teams where the guys are crouching and still visible behind cover.
Are heavy bolters good now? Whats the stats?

>>53703448
heavy bolters are the new meta

>>53703448
Heavy bolters are the same as they've always been:

Heavy 3, S5, AP4 (Now AP-1, same thing really), D1.

But the new to-wound chart makes this in many ways better than the autocannon as an all-rounder. I for one will spam these babies to kingdom come.

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>>53703420
So why did none of you tell me that Slaanesh Eldar were back? And apparently they're demon bats or something like that?

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>>53703496
Also Squats are back too.

Why do marines pay more points per model for being BS3+ and then also pay much more for their wargear on top of that

Why are marine plasmaguns 13 points and tempestus scion plasmaguns 7 points

Why even play marines when they're so ridiculously point inefficient? Marines seem fine in narrative games with PL but they can't compete with literally any other army when using points.

>>53703496
Crone World eldar.
Been in fluff forever.
We just got another of the occasional small bit of fluff reminding us they exist.

>>53703474
> better than the autocannon as an all-rounder

negative. Good for anti-infantry
Not as good for anti-large creatures
Bad for anti-vehicles larger creatures.

Autocannons still better for everything tougher T4+
Heavy bolters better for everything T3-

>>53703521
the marine will be significantly tougher with T4 and a 3+ save.

So I was thinking

Wouldn't everything about the Dark Angels secret retardation make sense if it wasn't they were waiting for the Lion to be revived in the rock or whatever

but rather

that he was a traitor that they kept prisoner in the deepest darkest parts of the rock?

>>53703521
>be grey knights
>have to buy your fucking storm bolters
Marines got fucked this edition.

No one ever saw it coming.

>>53703544
they have identical to wound rolls against T4.
And the heavy bolter has more shots.
The Autocannon actually has a higher chance to wound against the T3.

>>53703551
wrong.

2+ and 3+ saves got nerfed by modified AP system.

4+/5+/6+ got buffed by it.

There's more things that will lower a 2+/3+ save than there ever were that removed those saves outright.

Models with 2+/3+ will now be failing more saves than they used to due to their saves being modifed. And this hits marine armies the hardest.

>>53703521

Looks like some special and heavy weapons have a tax based on what platform they're on.

Infinity does this, too. A heavy machinegun in Infinity if going to cost you significantly less in points and SWC on a cheap mook with crappy accuracy than it will on a mini-Mech or a camouflaging specialist infiltrator.

Are landraiders good yet? I have 4 from years ago when I used to play. I want back in.

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>>53703378
The KV church tank is about $50, same as the base price of a Leman Russ kit and about $10 more than the same kit on e-bay.

If you want much cheaper than that you'll need to go with bolt action or hunt around for better deals.

>half the shit you've been posting looks worse than the Russ
Basically impossible but you are entitled to your wrong opinion.

>>53703558
that was already revealed in one of the books.

Pandorax I think, the one that had Draigo trolling the mortal loving shit out of Azreal, and Abbaddon trolling the mortal loving shit out of everyone on the planet.

>>53703594
Yeah the basic one is pretty stronk at this point. A LOT of points though.

>>53703583
Not to mention that T4 isn't always better than T3. S5 guns like heavy bolters are a 3+ to wound against both marines and guardsmen.

>>53703558
That actually would make there whole asspain about keeping the traitor thing a secret way more legitimate. I can't really see the Imperium letting you live if half of your legion and your daddy went rogue.

>>53703595
Honestly haven't posted since.

That kv-2 future tank is ugly as fuck.

>>53703595
that tank is hideous.

and the stupid gothic buttresses on it make it look even stupider.

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>>53703595
We all know who the real savior will be someday. Tiny bandeblade will rescue us from ugly tank hell.

>>53703583
T4 is still better than T3. 3+ save is still better than 4+ against anything but -3AP.
So Marines are still tougher. The edition did not change that.

On a different note. Marines can now get benefit from cover against weapons without high AP.

>>53703595
>tank on the right
>ugly

>tank on the left
>I'm embarrassed for whoever designed it because it's so cringey and retarded.

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>>53703628
Praise be to tiny baneblade, deliver us from shit old leman russ

>>53703592
Tempestus scions are BS 3+ models with a 4+ armor save. Their guns are significantly cheaper than marine guns.

For 10 points per model they have BS 3+ T3 4+ save with an S3 AP-2 rapid fire gun. A plasmagun is effectively 6 points for them because they're paying 1 point for their basic gun anyway, they're 9 points base.

>>53703612
>Yeah the basic one is pretty stronk at this point. A LOT of points though.
>>53703612

What about redeemers?

>>53703633

Saves are now only really negated by -3 and -4 AP weapons, and the only weapons that commonly seem to be sporting those stats are plasma, melta, and power weapons.

Actually, the power weapons seems great because now these things have an advantage over a lot of shooting in that melee has a great advantage against armor close up.

>>53703633
>So Marines are still tougher.
Marines are tougher than orks and guardsmen.

But they're weaker than they have been in every single previous edition all the way back to rogue trader.

8E Marines are the weakest that marines have ever been.

>>53703633
T4 is better than T3 against some weapons, it is the same as T3 vs S5 and S8+ guns.

Is there a rule similar to Death or Glory in 8th?

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So is there still going to be Codices or is everything contained in each faction's Index?

Are all of the marines going to be merged into a big codex or will they still have individual books?
Are Chapter Tactics really dead?

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Just fucking twist your Leman Russ backwards and add some Space Marine bits.

>>53703675
yeah its called throwing a krak grenade or hitting the vehicle with a melee weapon or in overwatch.

everyone does it now though.

>>53703675
nope

vehicles got watered down babytier.

facing doesn't matter either.

>>53703690
Lame. I loved the idea of one guy taking on a tank and either dying or winning big.

>>53703663
Probably not quite as good but a lot less points so still quite useable. Land Raiders are much tougher than they used to be. Lascanons are pricey and really good now and all twin linking is gone so the base raider just has 4 lascanons so it sorta pays out the nose.

The land raider terminus with 8 lascanons costs 665 points.

>>53703515
Squats BTFO

>>53703686
Try reading the rulebook.

>>53703652
>>53703628
>>53703595
>Hating the Russ
>Hating the most Iconic thing short of the Basilisk

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

It's MEANT to be ugly. It's god damned farming equipment with a gun slapped onto it for emergency colony defense. It was never meant to be an MBT. The Imperium is just forced to use it.

Next you're going to fucking say "Cawl can design a new one and rescue us from uggly tank hell!!!"

Fuck off. The entire POINT of the Russ is that it isn't really a tank. It's a technical. It is MEANT to look ugly, boxy, and make-shift.

The fucking Baneblade is a light MBT. So yeah, just field Baneblades if you want a tank.

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Hey /tg/, make fun of my 8th edition list I'm going to run against Tau on Saturday.

>>53703687
holy shit I can't believe how much this fixes the kit

>>53703668
but the question was, why are Marines more expensive than Scions.
I said, because marines are tougher than Scions.

The question about how tough Marines are relative to previous editions is interesting. But also completely irrelevant to the question of if marines are tougher than scion in this edition.

>>53703669
so still a lot of weapons.
The only weapon that the marines are not better against than scions are S8+ AP-4 or better. so Lascannons and such.
If you want to go back to previous editions, Marines died to lascannons just as easily as scions back then too.
Actually, the only strength point that changed in relative effectiveness is S5. In turn, the marines are now tougher compared to scions than they were last edition against S6 and S7.

>>53703736
>It's MEANT to be ugly. It's god damned farming equipment with a gun slapped onto it for emergency colony defense. It was never meant to be an MBT. The Imperium is just forced to use it.

I don't care what the fluff justifications are for it. It's an eyesore of a model. It's like 25 years old now.

>ext you're going to fucking say "Cawl can design a new one and rescue us from uggly tank hell!!!"

That is literally what GW would use as the fluff justification. You know what the thing is about primaris marines though? Despite their stupid fluff they look WAY better than old marines because they FIXED THE SHITTY PROPORTIONS.

>Fuck off. The entire POINT of the Russ is that it isn't really a tank. It's a technical. It is MEANT to look ugly, boxy, and make-shift.

No, the entire point of a russ is that its a fucking tank. The fluff justification is just the aspie defense force saying nothing can ever look good because muh tractors.

>The fucking Baneblade is a light MBT. So yeah, just field Baneblades if you want a tank.

There is no such thing as a light MBT. An MBT by definition precludes size classifications.

>>53703736
>It's god damned farming equipment
That's a meme not something that's actually true.

You don't also believe that abaddon doesn't have arms do you?

>>53703777
it would help if the tanks you posted as 'improvements' weren't just as ugly or uglier.

>>53703697
that doesn't work to well when vehicles are just the same as any other unit.

but if a vehicle has fly it can ram a flier. so any skimmer can attack a flier in a charge.

which i think is kinda cool.

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I just realized you could make a Spearhead detachment with just a Master of Ordnance and Artillery out the ass.

Really fucking neat.

>>53703761
S5 is much more common than S6 and S7.

Scions are now VASTLY more durable against heavy bolters than they used to be. They used to be wounded on a 2+ and got no armor save. Now they're wounded on a 3+ and get a 5+ save.

Marines are now weaker against heavy bolters.

Heavy bolters are a very common kind of weapon with analogues in virtually every army.

Scions are literally 16 points with a plasmagun, marines are 13 points with a boltgun. Or scions are 10 points with an S3 Ap-2 gun. Scions can also get more special weapons per squad than marines by far (A 10 strong scion squad can carry 4 plasmaguns and a plasma pistol for 128 points, which happens to be 2 points less than a squad of 10 marines with bolters) and can natively deep strike, at the cost for not being as good in melee and having 1 lower toughness and save mod. But they are much, much more survivable against the common anti-infantry weapons that used to shred them to pieces.

I literally don't have a reason to field marines instead of scions, other than that I own marines and not scions and don't want to buy another army.

>>53703736
>Half the the hobby is assembling and painting
>It doesn't matter if models are ugly!
I've never bought a Russ model because of how god awful they look. Just because you've succumbed to Games Workshop's artistic Stockholm syndrome doesn't mean ugly models are a good thing.

>>53703736
Go fuck yourself.

Tell you what: GW can go right ahead selling their "old Leman Russ" tank right along side whatever new Russ they might sell us.

I'd bet you good money that a something that looks like a mini-Baneblade would out-sell the model we've always had by far. And fuck all your fluff justifications for keeping the old. Fuck it right in the ass: It doesn't matter one bit.

>>53703841
>>53703862
Still not a fan of the Sicaran.

>>53703884

>>53703841 isn't sicaran.

It's literally a leman russ built backwards and it looks retarded because of the engine box

>>53703841
Those look so much worse.

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>>53703841
>>53703862
Where do I buy?

>>53703777
>I don't care what the fluff justifications are for it. It's an eyesore of a model. It's like 25 years old now.

I and probably plenty others love the design of the tank and it is an iconic piece of 40k. If you want better tanks go play Bolt Action.

>That is literally what GW would use as the fluff justification. You know what the thing is about primaris marines though? Despite their stupid fluff they look WAY better than old marines because they FIXED THE SHITTY PROPORTIONS.

Yeah. Those Assault Marines look so much better! :)

>No, the entire point of a russ is that its a fucking tank. The fluff justification is just the aspie defense force saying nothing can ever look good because muh tractors.

It is a make shift tank. Its design screams it.

>There is no such thing as a light MBT. An MBT by definition precludes size classifications.

My apologies I meant light scout vehicle, not an MBT. It is defined as such from the Dark Age of Technology. In the fluff.

>>53703778
Actually it's in an early WD article. I can't remember which article and I know that just lends credence to "lol meme" - but I have seen it in print in the past. The reason it sticks out in my memory is back when the Russ kits first came out, one of the locals made an agricultural world force and painted all his fucking tanks as John Deer tractors. That was his primary defense for doing so and even pointed out the article on numerous occasions for a few months.

>>53703802
Tiny baneblade shits all over your face, it's great looking. A vast improvement.

>>53703844
>Heavy bolters are a very common kind of weapon with analogues in virtually every army.
S6 weappons are also common. Multilasers are a common weapon with analogues in virturally every army.
Plasma guns, which used to be your dedicated marine killer and the weapon you are talking about, now only wound on a 3+ and the marine still gets a save.

Space Marines in cover now have a 2+ save base, they used to only have a 3+.

And this is all wonderfully interesting, but irreverent because Marines are still tougher even against the weapons you are complaining about.
So Marines are tougher than scions in 8th edition. My first point still true.

>>53703921
Everything this guy said.

I want the fucking WW2 autist to leave. You already shit up one thread with your shit taste.

>>53703912

Here:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-PL/Imperial-Guard-Leman-Russ-Battle-Tank

>>53703921
>I and probably plenty others love the design of the tank and it is an iconic piece of 40k. If you want better tanks go play Bolt Action.

You have stockholme syndrome. It's god awful. You might as well ask for the tiny orks or little malformed marines from the same time period back. Do you think the Warbuggy is similarly iconic?

>Yeah. Those Assault Marines look so much better! :)

The stupid bolter jetpacks? Take off the backpack and the sure as hell do.

>It is a make shift tank. Its design screams it.

No, it's a cheap, ancient, toy sculpted by an incompetent Brit in the late 80's and the design screams it.

>>53703939
Cover is much, much harder to get than it has been in any previous edition as well. Saying marines in cover get a 2+ is great and all but to be in cover the entire unit has to be completely within a terrain piece, there is no more obscured anymore.

>>53703944
There's more than just one of us asking for a new Leman Russ, fuckface.

And you have absolutely shit taste in models.

>>53703905
>that the joke

>>53703924
yeah, but tiny baneblade anon, I know you aren't the one posting the other shitty tanks. Which is the anon I was insulting.

Find a way to actually mass produce tiny baneblades at the cost of Russes and we'll talk.

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>>53703951
>You have stockholme syndrome. It's god awful. You might as well ask for the tiny orks or little malformed marines from the same time period back. Do you think the Warbuggy is similarly iconic?

I'm sure Marine players want their "iconic" Land Raider back...

>>53703959
>says the faggot posting retarded backwards Russes and 3rd party knock-offs that are the worst thing anyone has ever seen
The Russ looks awesome with the sponsons on. It's built like a landship, like an armoured steamboat on treads. It's got a forward leaning, predatory look to it, with all the weapons forward and the sloped back.

Actual world war 2 tanks all look like fucking ass.

>>53703954
or touching the terrain piece. Or within an inch if it's a barricade.

And now terrain doesn't slow down moving. so you can get into the trees, ruins, crater, rubble, etc.
Also, put down more terrain covering the ground then.

why weren't there this many autists screaming at Marine players for wanting to keep their tiny deformed marinelets?

>>53703951

I get the feeling all the Anons who don't want the Leman Russ model to change either have never played Imperial Guard before and don't want one of the more popular factions ever getting a cooler looking tank than they have, or they're long-time Guard players with a whole garage full of Leman Russes who believe a new model will magically invalidate all the models they've already bought and painted.

>>53703962
>Find a way to actually mass produce tiny baneblades at the cost of Russes and we'll talk.

Ask GW for a new Leman Russ and they will probably produce tiny baneblade. I can't wish them into existence but GW sure can if they see a market opportunity.

>>53703981
>Actual world war 2 tanks all look like fucking ass.
You have actual shit taste

>>53703989
Because the Primaris Marines (at least the basic Tacticals) actually look better.

All the "better" Russ options being posted here look FAR worse, it's just some historical weapons-grade autists trying to wank to their history books.

>>53703991
It's less that and more the same reason that people like the retarded looking boxnauts.

>>53703991
Their tank already looks great, and half of the time when GW updates things these days they fucking ruin them.

>>53703981
>The Russ looks awesome with the sponsons on.

You have severe brain damage.

> It's built like a landship, like an armoured steamboat on treads.

It would literally roll over foreward if it was going down a hill.

>It's got a forward leaning, predatory look to it, with all the weapons forward and the sloped back.

It has the foreward leaning predatory look of someone with severe downs syndrome.

>>53703981
That wasn't me, you stupid autistic dick-sucking queer. I don't like the backwards Russ either. And I wasn't posting it.

And your "landship" looks like the first thing it does in an actual battle is literally fall apart all on its own.

>>53703996
or we'll get >>53703595
we could get that. And then they'd raise the price 20%.
I don't care what the original model was costed at, this is GW. They'd raise the price at least 20%.

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Thoughts on pic related?

Think GW shit will get cheaper when the pound dives in a few months when they get fucked by the EU?

>>53704009
TINY BANEBLADE FUCKS YOUR MOTHER AND SHE WANTED IT BECAUSE IT IS FUCKING HOT AS HELL

I just can't imagine what kind of bonuses they're going to give a marine army in the codex book to make me want to run one.

I can literally take 27 point guard mortar squads. What the fuck is the marine codex going to give me that makes me want to run a pure marine force instead of running half my list as guard and only using marines to assault with? Assaulting is the only things marines are better at than the rest of the imperium, in all other roles guard is more point efficient.

>>53704009
>it's just some historical weapons-grade autists trying to wank to their history books.

The ironic thing is that you're wanking to a World War 1 history book if you're so gay for the current Leman Russ.

>>53703989

We had a lot of false flaggers but ultimately the choice to keep or buy new was up to them entirely, and everyone was satisfied.

Having a new tank kit need not replace the Russ, just add a new chassis to the motorpool and satisfy everyone with the choice of model.

A more contemporary-styled tank would appeal to higher-tech Guard armies going for a sleeker (comparatively) aesthetic, while those going for a little more Krieg could have their legacy Russ just fine.

>>53704021
I am willing to take the risk that the new model would look like shit. You know why? Because the old model looks like shit.

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>>53703981
>forward leaning, predatory look to it
I busted out laughing. It looks like a beached wale with a gun strapped to it. It's side profiles just scream "kill me now!"

>>53704020
>calling people autistic while he spergs out textbook autism-style because not everyone agrees with his shitty views on what makes a good tank
Yeah nah I'm not taking this shitty bait anymore, you're either a master troll or too retarded to function.

>>53704022
breddy fuggin gay :DDDDD

>>53704022
I feel like I am missing something put dont cultists have trash leadership and kind of die in boatloads? I am always afraid of taking them now because almost anything will make them crumple from morale.

>>53704034
Eeehh... looks kinda okay I guess. Maybe if the kits were cheap I'd pick one up as a failed STC that my Genecult stole.

>>53704060
That pic you posted looks fucking awesome, it's kind of shitting all over your argument.

>>53704052
Isn't that what the Malcador is for?

>>53704022
What app are you using for these lists?

>>53704060
>It's side profiles just scream "kill me now!"
Why?

>>53703951
>You might as well ask for the tiny orks or little malformed marines from the same time period back.
Thanks to the resurgence of oldhammer in recent years, that's not exactly an uncommon opinion.

Just, you know, putting that out there. The older, almost caricature-level old sculpts are appealing.

>>53704087

Perhaps, but it is Forge World resin at FW resin cost, rather than GW plastic at GW plastic cost.

>>53704040
When you start playing games of 8th and realize that Tyranids and Chaos are going to be in assault with you on turn 1 every single game without fail you're going to wish you had more stuff that performed better in melee

>>53704066
different anon.
20 man blobs without apostle I agree.
10 man groups, you'll probably lose a few models, but that's not really worse than things were before.

>>53704100
>Thanks to the resurgence of oldhammer in recent years

...where? Because I sure as hell ain't seeing it. Not even on the internets.

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>>53703973
We did. I paid nearly $400 for three of them.

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>>53704097
It's incredibly tall. Every successful tank design in history is short and long.

A tall tank has a high center of gravity (the russ would literally roll over and die if it tried to go downhill) and creates a HUGE hit profile.

It is also much harder to successfully armor something that has a broad hit profile because you have to spread the armor over that surface.

Note that this tank is short, squat, and every single angle you can see frontally is heavilly sloped (greatly increasing effective armor and encouraging bounces from incoming shells).

The russ is a laughably bad design.

>>53704113
>continues to go full autism
You're literally proving my point. Please, continue.

>>53704115
So then spam the generals asking for pladtic Malcadors, instead of asking for everyone to validate you personal dislike of an old sculpt.

>>53704100

Forge World has been touching on them recently for the Horus Heresy, but they've been classing them up and putting their own high quality spin on them to make them fit the aesthetic.

GW has taken a few queues as well, though I've forgotten which examples I saw as much of that from. Seems they're banking on a little nostalgia and throwing together things that resemble the old miniatures for their appeal, but built to fit the more contemporary 40k aesthetic.

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Yes! YES! We will kill two threads with armored might!

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>>53704097
It's a huge vertically flat surface, the worst thing you can have for tank armor. Slopped armor is better at deflecting shots and increasing the relative thickness of armor. Add on the huge profile and it's easy to see and target

>>53704142
No you didn't. You paid nearly 400 dollars for a tank that is MUCH larger and looks vastly different. If they updated the russ it would't look remotely like the original in the same way your tank barely even shares a shape with the old one.

>>53704131
I've already been playing against tyranids and my marines are getting wrecked in melee.

Point for point guardsmen are going to die slower in melee than tactical marines vs shit like genestealers. You get 3 guardsmen per marine.

I can have guardsmen form the bulk of my army and then use shit like terminators, vanguard, and marine HQs and dreadnoughts to fight in melee.

>>53704115
you are not getting a better sleeker tank without a significant increase in price.
You know this to be true, even if it's plastic again.

Eldar got a new jetbike model, and there was much rejoicing. And the price went up.

>>53704142
While I will admit that paint job on that is pretty fucking sweet, what it essentially is, is a polished turd.

We want something that looks nice even with just a basic tank paint job on it.

>>53704148

I'm a different anon than the guy doing the retarded arguing, I'm just doing the ssuR nameL posting.

>>53704022
I think that you're one unit short of having all your termies and jump packs deepstrike in.
Though then again getting Terminators to castle up on an objective wouldn't be that bad.
I'm not super confident in calling the density of high Toughness vehicles in the lists you'd be facing but I think with the Lascannons and Melta guns you should be able to blow out anything super dangerous.
Pretty solid, able to take advantage of the new deepstrike, the benefits of how good Infantry is in cover, has enough movement based units that you'd probably be able to accomplish Maelstrom objectives. You've got 300 points arguably wrapped up in tax but they're also 60 wounds for your opponents to chew through.
8/10

Been watching some battle reports. Is horde melee just ridiculously strong or are all these people terrible at rolling? Because it seems like trying to mow down the advancing horde is all for naught the second they land on you and hit on 3+ and wound on 5+ because you're just getting like 20 dice rolled against you.

>>53704143
That's the entire point of 40K. Shit is badly designed. We lost the scientific theory. No seriously. Admech lost the scientific process. They can't even into science properly now. Humans in 40K have a ton of technology from a super-high-tech predecessor human empire, but in EXTENSIVELY FUCKED UP fragments. They make what they do have work, and WORSHIP THEIR FUCKING DESIGNS.

You are trying to apply logic to a setting that goes OUT OF ITS WAY TO AVOID LOGIC.

>>53704072
You can like it, that doesn't change how shit it is. The turret is the only thing that's any good.

>>53704143
so >>53703595
is an improvement why?
because right looks way better than left to me.

>>53704143
Yeah, and? It's a setting where they fight green space fungus barbarians armed with hatchets and literal daemons from space hell. Note that the tank you posted is too squat to fit side sponsons so it has less firepower. Less guns means more Tyranids and Orks reach your lines and start ripping your shit to pieces, where all your "superior design" for fighting other tanks doesn't mean shit. You are incapable of thinking in terms of the battlefields the Russ is actually deployed on, and making comparisons to a modern day style of warfare that doesn't apply.

>>53704146
>Yeah nah I'm not taking this shitty bait anymore,

Just couldn't help yourself, could you? You poor fucking autist...

Anyone know where I can get cheap Tyranid Warriors? I'm want to make a medium bug (3 wounders) for my first 40k army but 50 bucks a kit is extortion.

>>53704162
It shares the same design aspects - it has the same shape, treads, and weapons etc. I own both the classic raiders from the 90s when I started playing AND these. They are similar in every aspect, only improved part is the overall modern-ness of the model production.

>>53704170
No, you want to change the overall design of vehicles in 40k. This looks nice. It is a great design and I love mine. As does every SM player I meet who sees them.

>>53704143
I actually wonder, was the Russ designed post heresy? Because most xenos weapons don't rely on traditional munitions to destroy tanks.

>>53704177
This
>>53704199
and this.

Tan/k/ autism btfo

Go play bolt action

>>53704177
>That's the entire point of 40K. Shit is badly designed.

Yeah but it doesn't have to look fucking stupid while it does it. The Leman Russ, and I am talking the model, literally rolls over forewards if it is placed on an incline. It is fucking idiotic.

>We lost the scientific theory. No seriously. Admech lost the scientific process.

I have been playing this game since third, I know the fluff. I also don't care. We don't have the shitty ancient bad rhino model and we don't have the shitty ancient bad Land Raider. We shouldn't still have the shitty ancient bad Leman Russ.

>You are trying to apply logic to a setting that goes OUT OF ITS WAY TO AVOID LOGIC.

No I am trying to get a tank that isn't embarrassing. Get some fucking taste.

>>53704202

Hit eBay before the Tyranid speculators snatch up all the cheap used ones.

Of course, they might have already. I can't find many Penitent Engines, myself, although there were probably not that many to begin with.

>>53704169
I'd pay

>>53704066
I think they're there as cheap troops to get the command points and also to help with the new rule in matched play that requires at least half your army to deploy on the board rather than in deepstrike reserve.
That said, I dunno about the twenty man blobs but I respect what anon is doing nevertheless.

>>53704215
No, it was found in mid-great crusade, which doesnt change that even the Imperium's own anti-tank weapons are mostly energy weapons.

>>53704237
Then buy a Malcador. If you're willing to pay then there's no need to wait.

I CAN'T DECIDE WHAT TO TAKE ON MY HELBRUTE

THIS IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE

Seriously what are you guys taking on Helbrute in 8th

>>53704143
>It is also much harder to successfully armor something that has a broad hit profile because you have to spread the armor over that surface.
Which is better against directed energy weapons because it has more space to disperse heat.

>>53704241
Do deflection angles and shot traps mean much to Lascannons? Honestly asking here.

>>53704199
>>53704223

Actual autism get the fuck out of my hobby. If you want shitty, badly molded, stupid looking toys from the 80s based on stupid lore go buy some HeMan action figures or something.

>>53704215
>I actually wonder, was the Russ designed post heresy? Because most xenos weapons don't rely on traditional munitions to destroy tanks.

You know, except orks. Literally the most common xenos threat to the human race from day 1. Oh, and also other humans. Literally the other most common threat to the human race from day 1.

>>53704213
>It shares the same design aspects - it has the same shape, treads, and weapons etc. I own both the classic raiders from the 90s when I started playing AND these. They are similar in every aspect, only improved part is the overall modern-ness of the model production.

And if I could get EVEN THAT from a new russ I'd be happy. That sculpt could drink if it were alive.

>>53704224
>The Leman Russ, and I am talking the model, literally rolls over forewards if it is placed on an incline. It is fucking idiotic.
do you have any idea how many recent sculpts fall over if you put them on a slight incline?

Lets start with basically every jump infantry.

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>>53704213
>No, you want to change the overall design of vehicles in 40k.

Marines got a new Rhino and new Land Raider.

That change to the overall design of vehicles in 40k has always been a thing, buddy.

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>>53703559
>They don't just add the storm bolters to the cost per model and make the (non-terminator) special weapons a bit cheaper to make the math slightly less tedious
Why?

>>53704224
>We don't have the shitty ancient bad rhino model and we don't have the shitty ancient bad Land Raider. We shouldn't still have the shitty ancient bad Leman Russ.
The current Russ is newer than those, and those were barely updated. They're a higher quality sculpt but still basically the same design. You're asking for a totally different fucking tank because you want to be able to play Bolt Action with your 40k buddies. Fuck off to your shitty historicals.

>>53703817
No you can't. MoO is an elite.

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Corpsefags BTFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>53703420
I was reading about the Blood Angels and something struck me. Is their homeworld suposed to have only about hundred and twenty thousand people, yet providing enough recruits?

Because if that was the case, a fleet-based chapter could potentially recruit from their own ships' crews.

>>53704255
>Which is better against directed energy weapons because it has more space to disperse heat.

That isn't even remotely close to how a directed energy weapon works. That would work for, like, cooling an intel processor. Lasers do not care about the thermal capacity of the side of your tank and neither does pretty much any other sci fi weapon.

>>53704260
>do you have any idea how many recent sculpts fall over if you put them on a slight incline?
>Lets start with basically every jump infantry

Yes, and I can fall down a hill because I am a biped. If my car rolled over forward because of a 30 degree incline I would be confused.

>>53704060
Its aesthetic is meant to be WW1-ish, which is what the Imperial Guard was meant to resemble recently

Now the IG's vibe is sort of lost into a mess of "do whatever you want"

>>53704266
Because more than just those models use stormbolters and they're modularizing points costs for future balance purposes. This has been explained so many times at this point it's embarrassing.

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>>53704272
>Fuck off to your shitty historicals.

You keep calling us this, but the Leman Russ was ripped right out of World War 1 photos and plunked down on the 40k tabletop.

>>53704272
>The current Russ is newer than those, and those were barely updated.

The new russ is just a new mold, the sculpt is identical with the addition of a new turret.

The land raider looks COMPLETELY different, and the Rhino is almost totally changed.

>ou're asking for a totally different fucking tank because you want to be able to play Bolt Action with your 40k buddies. Fuck off to your shitty historicals.

No I just have a pair of eyes, which apparently you lack.

I can see that this thread has been ruined already.

>>53704279
>Because if that was the case, a fleet-based chapter could potentially recruit from their own ships' crews.

Yes that is entirely possible if there is enough genetic variation amongst the ship's population, otherwise they would be immediately discarded if they're small enough to be inbreds that are incompatible with the procedure.

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>>53703981
It looks too tall in height or to short in length. The malcador is a similar tank with better proportions, looks great.
It also comes with lascannons which don't look ridiculous in diameter like the Battle cannon

>>53704291

Well, they were a mix of WWI and WWII, and got some Vietnam influences in with the Valkyrie. Now FW's Kriegers have taken over the WWI aesthetic and regular IG are a little lost.

>>53704298
Obviously its inspiration came from somewhere, but you are the guys trying to play a WW2 game in a retro-scifi setting bitching about the "realism" of the Russ design and why it's bad. Meanwhile there are literally armies that ride chariots into battle and even the hyper-advanced races arm half their troops with fucking swords and rush in to fight at close quarters despite the fact that they have hovertanks with weaponry that puts the Imperium to shame.

>>53704254
Lascannon and either swap to the Power Scourge to murder anything that isn't a t8 thing (and even then it still wounds on a 4+) or keep the helbrute fist and throw on a combi-bolter for cheap.
But Lascannon every time, they're amazing now.

>>53704139
well, there's the annual oldhammer event at Foundry in a month...

However all the oldhammer gamers I know personally are ex-co-workers from GW. I've only got old fantasy battles stuff at the moment, but they're all big into rogue trader and the other, less well-known games as well. Most are super eager to play the older games they have them.

>>53704298
I'm confused, is the Leman Russ an unrealistic mess or a rip off of a real tank?

SM Scouts: sniper rifles maybe with a squad HB are the way to go, I assume?

>>53704319
>There is no influence to guard and never has been, every faction comes from a popular 80s or 90s movie and the original tanks were based off of historical models that the sculptor had, copied, then fucked up badly

This is a great history lesson tnk u

>>53704326
Lascannon is fucking rad, huge damage! WEW yeah I'm liking the sound of that, long range and short range covered

>>53704154
sweet chimera

>>53704331
Exactly, these faggots keep changing the argument.

>>53704319
IG have been everything from Napoleonic Wars to Anglo-Zulu to modern paratroopers. They've never had a unified thee.

>>53704265
The new Raider & Rhino are different versions. The classic ones have Forgeworld versions to bring sculpts up to par. You also forget Whirlwinds and Predators getting newer versions.

>Always been a thing buddy

I should fucking know. I've played since Rogue Trader, kid.

>>53704308
We may never match the pure autism that this debate has sparked, but we can still post about other things.
Tell me anon, what kind of army theme are you looking at for 8th?
I'm ready for my wych cult Dark Eldar.

>>53704317
While I'm not as put off the fuck huge battlecannon as the body of the Russ the Malcador is sexy and looks like the tank that the Russ was meant to be.

>>53704325
>Obviously its inspiration came from somewhere, but you are the guys trying to play a WW2 game in a retro-scifi setting bitching about the "realism" of the Russ design and why it's bad.

Your aspergers is getting annoying. Someone asked why the design was bad and we explained. What we are bitching about is that it's fucking hideous. You have shit tastes, we get it, stop spamming the thread with straw men.
>>53704331
>I'm confused, is the Leman Russ an unrealistic mess or a rip off of a real tank?

It's an unrealistic mess that was vaguely based on tanks like the char bg d1 (possibly being an EXACT rip of that tank).

Except then they fucked it up really badly so that they could copyright its design. It's kind of like asking a small child to draw a superero. You know they're gonna copy something but it'll be unrecognizable shit because they are bad at drawing.

>>53704331
>>53704350

It's kind of both: a rip off of a historical tank that was kind of shit at its job to be a realistic backbone of space future GI Joes.

Why would someone who doesn't like 40k's aesthetics play 40k? This is a 95% aesthetic hobby.

Seriously: go play FoW or Infinity or some shit, you'll be happier and the generals will be less shit.

>Implying 40k gen could ever not be shit.

>>53704374

There's a second general going if you want to leave this one for the tank-posters and rage. It's got a better, non-meme general image as well.

Fortunately, there is always xenos for tanks.
Men of culture can congregate over that

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>>53704154
Why is that Iron Hand's Russ green?

>>53704374
>Why would someone who doesn't like 40k's aesthetics play 40k? This is a 95% aesthetic hobby.

I don't play guard, largely because the aesthetics are shit. That doesn't mean I want to have to see that shitty tank everywhere and it definitely doesn't mean I respect your dumb aspie arguments about muh tractors or tradition.

>Seriously: go play FoW or Infinity or some shit, you'll be happier and the generals will be less shit.

Blow me

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>>53703686
>So is there still going to be Codices or is everything contained in each faction's Index?
The indexes are temporary so you can hit the ground running when this edition releases.
>Are all of the marines going to be merged into a big codex or will they still have individual books?
God I hope each marine chapter gets its own book. Probably not cost effective, though.
>Are Chapter Tactics really dead?
Seeing as how every army has their own flavor keyword (chapter, sept, craftworld, clan, etc), I expect supplements to come out and make each army much different. If you fought a player who played codex: marines in 7e, you might get Imperial Fisted with bolter spam, or repeatedly gang-raped by White Scar bikes. That was awesome.

>>53704366
wych cult seems like it lacks killy.
T5 raiders seem sweet. But even with the S+1 wychs don't look like their going to kill anything tough. Great harrass or tar pit troops, but no killy.

Better bring in some mercenaries. and by that I mean scourges.

>>53704371
>he says, strawmanning, whilst displaying classic signs of aspergers
Where is my popcorn this shit is hilarious

Hey dude, tell me more about how the land raider is fine because it got newly updated, but also the russ is terrible because it's not flat to the ground and has overhead treads exactly like the land raider

>>53704347
It's expensive, but with how durable Helbrutes are now it's so worth it for the sheer damage output, a potential 2d6 on a 3+, 3+ can cripple a whole bunch of models.
Dreadnoughts got the same treatment so I'm excited to play SM vs CSM and have Dreadnoughts and Helbrutes squaring off.

>>53704391

Greytau player btfo by 8E: confirmed.

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>>53704391
>all this asperger's projection
If there's something you want to tell us anon, you can.

>>53704297
>additional storm bolters on rhinos
Fuck, you're right. Oh well, slightly more basic arithmetic for me then.

>>53704417
>Where is my popcorn this shit is hilarious

Your handler doesn't let you use the microwave and your incoherent screaming didn't get 'i want popcorn' across yet.

>Hey dude, tell me more about how the land raider is fine because it got newly updated, but also the russ is terrible because it's not flat to the ground and has overhead treads exactly like the land raider

The land raider is fine because it doesn't look like stupid shit and someone can put it on a hill on a table without it rolling foreward and crushing models.

The russ looks like a fucking potato for potatoes.

>>53704134
>>53704240

Honestly, I had weird points at the end, and and wound up with 150 points on the dot, so I doubled up the cultists. I didn't want to drop 6 units of 10 because I didn't want to always go last.

>>53704173
>I think that you're one unit short of having all your termies and jump packs deepstrike in.
Ah damn, your right. I'll split up some cultists.

>Though then again getting Terminators to castle up on an objective wouldn't be that bad.
Actually, the plan is to not immediately Deepstrike the second unit of termies and use them as a fresh backup after my opponent inevitably whittled down the first. Them and a squad of raptors play catchup T2-3
>I'm not super confident in calling the density of high Toughness vehicles in the lists you'd be facing but I think with the Lascannons and Melta guns you should be able to blow out anything super dangerous.
The Lascannons should be able to hit harder targets pretty well while the ACs do their job and cultists screen melee units.

>>53704391
Wait, you don't even play guard? What the fuck are you whining for? Do you bitch about the silly designs for every army?

>>53704422
Charcharadons, actually.

>>53704428
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>>53704374
Cadians look pretty neat
Oh Chimera's that's cool
Holly shit Tech Priest are awesome
>Sees the god awful Russ
What the fuck is that! Kill it with fire!

The Russ is the shittiest aesthetic in the guard, just because I don't like it doesn't mean I don't like the good parts of the guard.

>>53704434
Did someone put a Russ on a hill and it fell over and crushed your precious little tau suits or something?

Seriously I haven't seen anyone this effeminately whiny and mad since that closet dark angels fag got himself banned for sperging.

>>53704444
Hey, you, stop liking things i don't like. Also you have aspergers.

>>53704391

to add onto what this guy saying.
40k aesthetics is such an odd phrase thrown around to argue against 'thing I dislike'

there are a shitton of different styles at play, you get to pick the one you like

>>53704458
>Cadians look pretty neat

And into the trash it goes...

>>53704458
Tell me, when you see a Sentinel do you tell the person fielding it how stupid a bipedal heavy weapons platform is?

>>53704444
When I have had to look at them since I was 13 I do. I also bitch at the warbuggy, but people don't go to ground defending tiny orks like they do this goofy chibi tank that looks like a terrible kit bash.

That's kind of the nature of guard players though. Their main tank has been so shitty for so long that they HAVE to defend it because it's all they've got.

>>53704448
>posting fucking emoticons
Go back to le upboat site already you squealing little autist.

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>>53704366
Paladins IN SPESS with arming caps and grizzled veteran facial hair.

Hey anons, what are some details about models you like? I love that most unhelmeted GK heads have arming caps and facial hair/wrinkles.

Anyone have experience magnetizing an Ork jet kit?

If not possible which should I construct it as?

So I've got around 700 points of nurgle daemons from AoS, was thinking of starting up death guard with the new stuff incoming.

I've got a great unclean one, 20 plaguebearers, herald, 3 nurglings, 3 plague drones.

Was going to start out by adding 2 units of 7 plague marines, 20 poxwalkers, typhus, a bloat drone or two, and two rhinos. Once death guard terminators are out I'll get those. Was also thinking a defiler or a hellbrute.

>>53704448
>google forgeworld space marines
>that'll show them
>these look neato ^_^ okay great!
>lol they're so trolled right now!

I tell you what. I will AGREE WITH YOU that Lemon Russ needs change - if you take a photo of your Charcharadons WITH a time stamp.

Do that and I will record smashing one of my Lemans with a hammer. Scouts honor.

>>53704469
That's literally what you're doing. Is this bait?

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>>53704481
I bet you want your old sentinel back too, huh anon? I mean, you like the shit pile russ and it came from the same era.

You have such great taste. You all just have such great taste.

>>53704143
You do realise the Sherman was very tall? WoT scale is not realistic.

>>53704458

I disagree with you that Cadians are neat, but the Chimera is a great vehicle, actually.

I would have gone Guard had their troops looked better, because I've always had a thing for light walkers and the Sentinel just tickles my fancy. But then AdMech happened and I finally got sucked into AdMech and didn't look back. Sentinel-aesthetics in crab-tank, great walking chickens, and troops that are every bit what I expected of them. I still miss the Sentinel, though, especially the Drop Sentinel which is the best Sentinel sculpt.

>>53704409
Scourges are a must for anti-vehicle but I think Hellions will be providing the backbone of the killing interestingly enough. With S4 in melee and Splinter Pods I think they'll work well.
Reaver's as well have the <wych cult> tag so I'll be bringing some of those along with their new mortal wound engines.
Agonisers are super cheap (4 fucking points) so I'm not even scared of big Nids in the melee as every single one of my squad leaders will be carrying one.
I think the main advantage will be the speed and survivability(if I can get into melee) of the army, less the damage output. Also, combat drugs are incredible now you can pick them. If I'm interpreting them right you have to assign one of every drug but after that, you can give them out at will and spam one option. (Str 4? Extra attacks? More Movement? So many choices.)

>>53704482
>people genuinely like the frontheavy wall of guns covered with skulls crewed by press ganged teenagers and run by a smoke-belching diesel engine
>"Y-Y-You guard players a-a-all have sh-shit taste!"

>>53704342

Anyone?

>Looks at thread

Anyone other than the tankfags?

>>53703559

Power armor storm bolters are one of the best things about grey knights now desu

>>53704366
Rogue Trader themed Imperial army.
Stromtroopers, Valks, Inquisitor+acolytes and a lot of converting. I've been wanting to make this baby since I first read ffg's rogue trader stuff.

>>53704512
Who the fuck is talking about the old sculpt? I'm saying that a bipedal walker is full of way more stupid design choices than a Leman Russ, and I don't see you sobbing into your keyboard about those. Why not?

>>53704481
No because the sentinel is a little silly but not butt ugy, and actually kind of cool.

Secondly I don't complain about models on the table when I'm playing people.

>>53704514
>>53704473
Heads are the only real problem with the Cadian kit, the carapace chest and legs are adequate to good.

>>53704496
I love the variety of knife designs for Dark Eldar, it makes them all feel personalised for their owners.

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>two faggots are honestly arguing about the design of a fictional tank in a game that threw real world logic out the window years ago

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>>53703628
>>53703652
The Leman Russ is why I want to do a Drop Troop army. If I'm going to spend a shit load of money on tiny men and vehicles, they're going to be tiny men and vehicles that actually look good.

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>>53704506
Best bust out that hammer

>>53704342
>>53704536
Yeah. I bought scouts for this reason. Either Sniper + Missile or + HB.

>>53704467
>he never responded
Confirmed for what happened. Someone's russ tipped over down a hill and broke his shitty resin recasts and now he's sperging on the internet.

>>53704496
i like that kroot have flintlock like pistols

>>53704553

Legs might need a little work, but chest pieces are good enough for conversions. Arms need a little work as well. But, yeah, the main problem is the heads.

>>53704553
Kind of cool if you watched star wars as a kid, but as someone who actually understands engineering it's a travesty of design. I mean, just look at the thing, there's so much wrong with it. I won't shit on people for running them, but I'm never going to.

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>>53704575
>that fat fucking hand

>>53704581
I've seen it happen like 400 times. No my models have never been broken by it. I have watched tanks lose plenty of stubbers though.

It happens most to the demolisher because the old turret was metal and the center of gravity was where the tracks shifted upwards.

>>53704582
God why do I love the flintlock asthetic so much?

>>53704567
well if you want something that looks cool you better throw real world tank knowledge out the window

>>53704567
>Sperging about realism
>posts pic of avenger

ah, false flagging, gotcha. Carry on!

>>53704575
nice sausagefingers buddy

>>53704629
You did not read his post correctly then said he had aspergers. That is a sign of aspergers.

>>53703668

Dude marines fucking sucked in 2nd edition, they were 30 points for an identical statline in a game where guardians had flat out better guns with -2 AP with the same range for 16 points each

So with these detachment shenanigans that say my units have to be from the same faction, does that mean Inquisitors can be fielded in the same detachment as Space Marines (since they're both Imperium), or do I have to make an Inquisition detachment and Space marine detachment?

>>53704516
>With S4 in melee and Splinter Pods I think they'll work well.
I just can't see them living long enough to do that.
I just can't.
Too short range to avoid murderfire, and needing to pray for sixes to survive murderfire.

the planes can be wych cult too btw.

>>53704366
I am looking forward to playing my tzeentch daemons Host Duplicitous unfortunately some of the flavor was taken this edition but i wont be called a power gamer or feel bad playing them

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>>53704614
i tried to file them down to give one of my kroot double flint locks.

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>>53704575
ahahahahaha

what the fuck is THAT

>>53704567
>those poor Hellblades in the background

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>>53704632
If anything my fingers are way too fucking long. I mean, come on, look at this thing.

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>>53704614

For me, it's that pleasing profile and character, as well as the aesthetic.

>>53704669
YO what the fuck, your finger gets wider the further away from your body. the hell?

>>53704575
What is with that goofy cartoon shark?

>>53704553
so you know how to shut the fuck up, but don't see why now is also a good time to apply that skill.
Actually, all times are a good time to apply that skill. Just write it on the back of your hand "shut the fuck up about Russes", so you don't forget.

So when is the leman taking the hammer?

Lemme guess never, guardcucks can't handle the bants. They talk a big game but collapse as easily as you'd expect from LD4

>>53704634
You took the term "sperging" as a literal reference to aspergers rather than just as a term used to describe the type of behavior usually shown on internet message boards.

This is a sign of aspergers.

>>53704669
Hahahahahhaha it looks like a fucking sausage what the fuck

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>>53704655
>ahahahahaha
>what the fuck is THAT

Thats punchy. He's one of my vets with the old heraldry.

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>>53704669
>>53704679

>>53704640

Hellions with +1T are noticeably more survivable at least, and remember that most combatants are only going to yield one attack per model, so assaulting isn't bad. If they fall back that's less shooting. If they stay, then you're not getting shot.

>>53704512
ya know...cutting it up a bit, with the feet into a more dynamic pose, possibly a run, toes articulated a bit more to imply the feet could be dangerous kicking weapons. Put little mesh cages over the "headlights" yeah...yeah we could be onto something. Also swing the gun to a chin mount...maybe put a little rudimentary roll cage over the driver and a pivoting spotlight. You are in business. would 10/10.

>>53704686
... are you just not going to bother to quote people anymore? Are you hoping we'll think this is someone else? What is your endgame with this post?

>>53704640
With a 14" movement if you're not hiding behind full cover you're going to be doing it wrong.
Yeah surviving is going to be an issue but it was always going to be an issue with DE, the answer is target saturation and the usage of terrain. If I have three raiders moving up the board, two units of six reavers, a scourge unit that has deepstruck, two or three Venoms and then two units of Hellions suddenly the opponent will need to make decisions very quickly and while I'll lose a bit, if done correctly I think I can make them lose more.

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>>53704696
Alright, dude, alright hold up, let me just get this straight, right...

You say the russ is shit because it's an old goofy 2e sculpt.

But you painting that GOOFY ASS cartoony shark face on your marines because it's the old 2e heraldry is fine though.

People who like the russ have shit taste.

But your marines? Totally RETRO MAN.

>>53704512

Say what you want but I fucking miss assault cannon sentinels

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>>53704680
>>53704655

Space sharks were turned into charcharadons towards the end of fifth. I had a few squads painted in the old style when they made the shift. I made the shift at the same time but just said the old paint jobs were vets.

>>53704713
>>53704679

You ever take a photo of your hands with a cell phone? Shit gets weird.

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>>53704596
I'm actually kind of curious what the problem is. I've heard complaining about the shoulder pads before. I assume it's something with how the straps are situated with the chest piece?

>>53704682
Because that's the point of boards like this to talk, in this case about warhammer, like how shit the currant Russ model is. If you don't like it you can fuck off.

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>>53704616
>>53704629
>Sperging about sperging about realism.
>Never mentioned realism

>>53704258
No, they just dump energy into whatever they touch. Sloped armor would help due to increased thickness but that's it.

>>53704727
should be obvious
waiting on this guy

>>53704506

>>53704745
I think you've been conflated with the other Anon who said that it looks dumb because of it's unrealistic design.

>>53704742
Man, I didn't enjoy painting night lords so much, I'd probably play space sharks. There's also my refusal to play loyalist space Marines, but that's besides the point.

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>>53704575
>>53704655

lol

Any decent Necron battle reports out there yet? I've only been able to find one and the Necron player was pretty fucking annoying.

>>53704199
>Note that the tank you posted is too squat to fit side sponsons so it has less firepower. Less guns means more Tyranids and Orks reach your lines and start ripping your shit to pieces
A Leman Russ with a sane weapon scheme can mount a bigger gun(for this particular scenario,a long demolisher cannon),achieve higher Rof and carry more ammo,therefore it will deal easily with foes such as these.It would also be faster and more reliableAnd it will also be harder to defeat

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>>53704735
No you pretty much explained it. My army is good models with a retro paint scheme. Your army is shit models with modern paint scheme (presumably).

I have a ton of the non goofy ones from the GW redesign and an unpainted tyberos. I'm not going to say I am a professional painter but I think they look pretty ok.

>>53704645
"Tried" being the key word.

>>53704744
Huh? I'm talking about sentinels, not cadians.

The problem with cadians is the scaling.

>>53704715
you can't double up on drugs if you choose drugs.
and that +1T seems so much better on reavers.
and less shooting is plenty.
>>53704733
shoot a unit of S4 or less at the hellions.
Your army will have it, they aren't nearly as good against the T5 reavers, raiders, and venoms. You might want to shoot at the scourges, but thats because the scourges are better and more of a threat. But also have a better save.

yes I know Deldar are fragile, but hellions are the most fragile of dark eldar. Can't be in transports, no special save, no bonus to toughness (use the drugs on the reavers).
Maybe a unit of hellions to harrass light vehicles (T5 land speeder types) will have use. But everything else either kills the hellions or is better killed by something else.

>>53704795
Ahaahhahahaha you fucking sausagefingered fuck
my sides have attained orbit

>>53704259

I'm 100% sure you're the autist here.

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>>53704317
Personally I'm a fan of the Macharius, but FW has always had the best vehicles designs. At this point GW should just copy FW for everything and stop trying to come up with original ideas.

>>53704795
>shit models

Wait, so are you the anon who's telling people they're wrong for liking the Russ because it's unrealistic, or wrong for liking the Russ because it doesn't watch up with your preffered visual aesthetic?

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>>53704575
>>53704575
Deal is a deal faggot. Here you go. Hope this goes some length into somehow making your world less phobic and more aesthetically pleasing.

>>53704783

space yiffs v crons monday on warhammer tv

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>>53704802
Ah, ya sentinels are dumb as shit from an engineering standpoint but I can overcome that considering the setting.

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>>53704821
I hope you get more sides then because now im just taking pics of models since I have them out.

Speaking of leman russes one of my AOBR missile marines has a kill counter done in russes.

>>53704829

*golf clap*

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>>53704829
>>53704763
>waiting on this guy
As requested friend.

>people actually destroying models over an argument on a Mongolian smoke signals board
Go outside.

>>53704829
niiiice
god bless

>>53704826
Eh, their walkers are okay. Definitely improvement over that shitty boxnaut.

>>53704829
>breaking your models because of sausagefingered autists on /tg/
smdh tbqh

>>53704795
>You can't like the Leman Russ because I don't like it REEEE
Lol, stay salty. GW doesn't give a shit what you think and the tank sells plenty. You will never get what no matter how much you autistically screech for it.

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>>53704842

I like the colors, but dude mold lines

>>53704829
I wish /pol/ would come back. They're more civil.

The autism in this thread is absolutely astounding.

>>53704829
Can you mash up those old rhinos too. Are you some sort of bank of ancient models?

Also, I feel bad if I actually made you break one of your models I am sorry.

>>53704827
No you think my PAINT JOBS are shit. The models are just standard tacs and assaults and some actual shit AoBR monopose dudes.

>>53704852
>>53704857

>LD4s who can't walk their talk spotted

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>>53704829
You're fucking crazy but you kept your word, which is more than I'd have done in your situation. Well, hope you two can agree to fuck off this thread now so we can actually talk about the game instead of your tank fetishes.

>>53704832
Exactly, dumb as fuck and look terrible, but some people like them, and that's their right. But you don't see me shitting up entire threads about it.

>>53704871
Can we just go back to discussing whether or not the Holocaust happened already

>>53704868
Yeah, that was like the first squad I did for the army and it was fresh from assault on black reach back in the day. That first squad is REAL lousy with mold lines in part because AoBR was mold line city and in part because i didn't do much to fix it.

I've since gotten into the habit of removing them all.

>>53704885
Daemon Hunters codex 3rd Ed. It's a psychic power. Is it still around?

>>53704868
>complains about shit models
>can't take the time to make his models not look like shit.

>>53704813
You CAN double up once you've gone through the line. So, if you have 7 drug units, counting HQs, then you get to pick one you've already picked. Also, I'd rather have 2 units of T4 than one unit of T5 that already had 2W. Anything that is going to hurt the Reavers on a 3+ anyway is going to be more than S5 and deal multiple wounds, and having 2W already makes them resistant to small arms fire.

>>53704897
wtf i love gay knights now

>>53704829

Fug man. That's... I would never have done that. It hurts thinking about it.

>>53704877
Son you didn't make me do anything. I have a lot of Leman Russes I've collected over the years, one less one won't hurt. It was the black sheep anyways having been cobbled together with old and new russ parts.

I chose to follow through on my word, you made nothing.

Though if you do feel bad, perhaps you and I, as well as others, could politely put aside the aesthetics and design arguments and get back to talking mechanics and gameplay.

When is the Imperial guard going to get a new tank? They could call it the Gulliman or something to that effect.

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>>53704143

No shit it's a bad design. That's the goddamn point. Imperial tech is supposed to be a grab-bag of whatever remnants are left over after the downfall of humanity's last hope. The Russ and Land Raider both hearken back to WW1 era tanks which were experimental as hell, which is exactly the point; it's the Imperium strapping whatever they can find onto whatever they can salvage.

Pic related uses a real-world tank that fits well into 40K because it fits the aesthetic; the Lee was not a well designed tank because of its high profile, but it was a stopgap rushed out whilst better tanks were designed. The thing about the Imperium is that it doesn't have the time or knowledge to develop that better tank, and has to rely on the stopgaps.

>>53703420

Any chance better scans will be coming of the Indexes soon? I mean, I salute/thank the anon that put these forward already, but it'd be nice to get page by page scans w/o blur and what not while waiting for my physical copies to pop up

>>53704957
Hey guys, do you think they'll ever make female marines?

>>53704966
Don't start this again

>>53704274

>boo hoo, my daddy dosent love me

He's a fucking 10k yr zombie without the hormones that 'causes' love. This is almost fan-wank.

Unless were gonna have another retcon. I was seriously gonna start playing shadow war but the fluff constant change is just putting me off.

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>>53704897
>field grey knights against tzeentch daemons
>cast holocaust
>daemons all fail morale checks from the residual PTSD

>>53704988
So is Khorn german then?

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>>53704366
I'm gonna be running Khorne Daemonkin. I started collecting around January but I've only recently gotten the time to paint my dudes. I have a decently sized backlog to paint but I've got my lord, two aspiring champions and a couple marines done already so there's that. I just really don't wanna play a grey tide.

>>53704998
No, that would be Nurgle all his toxic gas.

>>53704274
This kinda shows off one of my favorite things about Sanguinius in this. He had no illusions about what his father wanted from him. He knew that all he was to his father was a weapon. It is why he hated rulling over Imperium Secundus.

>>53705017
But the Nazis DID kill them, maim them and burn them. Hell, they fucking industrialized their slaughter. That's as Khorne as it gets.

>>53704912
>Anything that is going to hurt the Reavers on a 3+ anyway is going to be more than S5 and deal multiple wounds
umm, S5 weapons are pretty common. Heavy bolters. Pulse weapons. Death spitters. gauss blasters.

And if you're doubling up on the T+1, still use one on the reavers. or 2.

I just can't see hellions surviving to do what's needed. And don't see them as better at dishing out damage than other options.
Literally all they look better against is T5 vehicles.

Hell, try beasts and beast masters. They look better.

If it's just because you think the green goblin hoverboards are cool, you do you, but rules wise I just can't see it.

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>>53704901
The entire leman russ is a giant mold line

>>53704957
No, I didn't want you to break something you liked because of our discussion, but I still think you broke an ugly shitty model. Doesn't really change much.

But I'm over all that now I'm posting my mediocre paint jobs and fingers that are either way too fat or way too skinny.

This missile marine has a kill counter in carnifexes. Macro photography is hard without a ton of light.

>>53704987
> hormones that 'causes' love.
if you want to make yourself sound like a teenager or early 20s who's just started learning philosphy and biology, but hasn't gotten the point yet, I don't know how you'd do better.

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>>53703420

>>53705027
Nah, we're cool. I respect your dislike of it as long as you respect my like of it.

Also nice kill count.

>>53705025
>But the Nazis DID kill them, maim them and burn them.
>implying
look up the red cross report my dude

>>53704978
Fuck off. Marines got a bunch of new shit heres how to fix guard

1. Drop ratlings and rough riders. Shit units that are hardly used. Replace them with something like catgirl snipers and motorcycle troops.

2. Call them Imperial Guard again. The new name is stupid and turns off potential new comers.

3. A new tank. Give it a chassis that would be an analogue of the T-55 or T-72. It's default gun could be a vanquisher canon and upgrade to something like a volklite cannon.

4. A new army. Last army was vostroyans over 10 years ago. Give us something new like Harkoni Warhawks or a new cast of one of the 2nd edition armies.

>>53705057
>catgirl snipers
Stopped reading there. Confirmed for the shittest taste imaginable.

>>53705025

I dunno, I can't see a murder factory as actually being Khornate. Like, even if they were feeding whole populations into industrial meat grinders, that just doesn't feel Khornate. Forcing them to fight in giant arenas, or indoctrinating them into blood cults or packing them off to warzones as slave fodder, that all sounds Khorne because it involves fighting. But just plain slaughter? Doesn't fit right.

>>53705025
>Implying the Holocaust happened
>Implying it wasn't just a Tzeentchian lie

>>53705057
>catgirl snipers
This isn't anime you flaming retard

>>53705057
>replace rough riders
>catgirl snipers in 40k
Motorcycle troops don't sound all that bad, but I wouldn't give up rough riders for those.
0/10 shit taste please stop
>>53705092
You're wrong anon, we definitely had to have the Holocaust happen, otherwise our plans wouldn't be the way they are. Stop being so silly.

>>53705025
Plus he really hates those scheming Tzeenchians

>>53705103
>otherwise our plans wouldn't be the way they are
What "plans" exactly, Mr. Merchant?

>>53705025
But not before they , put them into swim teams, held soccer matches for them, and allowed them to pet the top secret nazi rabbit fur project angora rabbits, and/or released them right?

Arbeit Mach Frei wasn't a joke.

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>>53705051
I played a lot of nids and guard. One of the guys in my group had like 12 russes. I have seen a LOT of russes go tumbling down hills but I havent killed as many as I would have liked with these missiles.
>>53704669


>>53705027
>>53704842
>>53704795

One last shark before i go to sleep. This one is the dev sargeant with the thing that gives +1 to hit to a guy. I had to custom build one so its half of a pulse rifle and something else attached to a weird old backpack.

>>53705126
>when you want to kill all the jews so you set up movie theaters and swimming pools for them before turning them into skin lampshades
What did the ebul natzees mean by this?

>>53705087
>>53705098
Catgirls are canon, deal with it bitchboys.

>>53705103
You are literately 1 of 10 IG players that use rough riders. Its an unpopular unit and the lack of model attention in over 20 years shows that. It's the appendix of the army list.

>>53705057
>drop ratlings
Idunno, some people like those
>rough riders
Shit dude, why
>catgirl snipers
Anon what are you doing
>New tank
Stop being poor and buy FW

>>53705027
>>53705051

>All you need to make peace is take a hammer to what you love and made

>>53705051
Not him but,
similar boat, don't really like the look of some of the guard tanks but I'm only annoyed by guardboys who talk smack about other factions but can't handle any retorts.
Other than that I don't care what others paint

>>53705057
>Catgirl snipers
Literal shit taste. Opinion discarded.

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>>53705121
Don't question it anon, otherwise you'll fall into the next step of my plan. I wouldn't want that, let someone else take the hit for you.

>>53705147
I literally didn't mean to quote that one. Trying to quote punchy the sergeant not my totally normal and not at all weird fingers.


>>53704575

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Do I use the index's or the box set's point cost for Primaris Marines? They have different costs in each.

>>53705151
Backflipping terminators are canon too, doesn't mean that people don't pretend they don't exist.

>>53705103
>Oy vey remember the day those Nurglite bastards gassed six million daemons
Really makes you think.