Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

First for 8th edition Ork Edition

Last night people were working out Ork Boys vs Conscripts mathhammer. Did they reach any conclusions?

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here a good way to start the thread, name one unit /tg/ thinks has gone from "zero to hero" in the jump from 7th- 8th

>brushes always develop a little hook, where the bristles curve
Why? I don't keep paint on them for more than a minute or 2 between dipping them in water and "drawing" lightly on a napkin to clean them off.

Are armypainter brushes shit tier or something?

So who's the best chinaman, Z or Alpharius? Or someone else entirely?

>>53698798
Fire warriors will break the meta

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>>53698790
Yes.

>>53698790
>ork boyz vs conscript math hammer
god i love 8th so much already

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>>53698798
Hellblasters

>>53698790
whatever the results are it will be enough blood to please Khorne

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>>53698798
shadowsword went from a small pie plate that would need a lucky six to kill something to what it is in the lore, able to cripple or even kill a knight titan in one shot

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Anyone else hate the primaris helmet style?

I like beakies and the regular old helmet style better.

>>53698804
Alpharius is ruskie, I think.

Regardless, Alpha is almost always just FW stuff (and better for it). Z for everything else.

I bought 30 sisters off him that were pretty decent for 30 fucking bucks. Maybe ~5 were pretty bad? mostly the faces, which I cut off and replaced with other heads anyway.

Thoughts on list? Worried it's lacking anti vehicle stuff personally. Could maybe downscale a bit and get an exalted sorcerer with 5 rubrics, all with flamers in a land raider, but it does seem a bit too many eggs in one basket.

Ahriman on Disc 166

Daemon Prince of Tzeentch with twin malefic talon and warp bolter 165

5 Scarab Occult Terminators with Soulreaper Cannon and Hellfyre Missiles 266

Helbrute with twin lascannon and helbrute fist with combi bolter 164

Helbrute with twin lascannon and power scourge 165

10 Tzaangors with Tzaangor Blades and Instrument of Chaos 70

10 Tzaangors with Tzaangor Blades and Instrument of Chaos 70

10 Rubric Marines with Soulreaper Cannon and Warpflamer
256

10 Rubric Marines with Soulreaper Cannon and Warpflamer
256

10 Rubric Marines with Soulreaper Cannon and Warpflamer
256

Rhino with Havoc Launcher and Combi Bolter 83

Rhino with Havoc Launcher and Combi Bolter 83

Total points for army 2000

>>53698798

Sanguinary Guard

>>53698876
Nope, it's my favourite one. Too bad I don't play Loyalists.

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So I just finished Dead Men Walking and boy was it emotionally draining. Good, but draining. Has Steve Lyons worked on any other books?

So I'm getting back into 40k now that 8'th seems to be unfucking everything, and I have a few of the old metal models from the Inquisitor game back in the early 2000's. Would Artemis or Tyrus make a good proxy for Roboute Guilliman? I really don't like the look of his model, it's too bilngy

>>53698876
Heads are still compatible I think

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>>53698876
I quite like it, makes sense to have a bit of protection for the filter rather than just having it out in the open
>>53698804
I don't think Alpharius is a chink, then again I might be wrong
>>53698798
Ork Boyz :^)

>>53698876

>old helmet style

Primaris Marines use mkIV Maximus style helmet. Beakies were mkVI.

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>>53698798
pic related

>>53698912
Down amongst the dead men, still about kriegers, still depressing, but a short story

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How well trained is a Space Marine in close combat? Are they versed in martial arts, or just enough to operate their weapons effectively?

>>53698876
I've replaced all mine with other helmets, and a tiny bit of green-stuff under the head-placement to lift it up a little bit.

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>>53698936
>old helmet style
I mean this style

>>53698950
At least in the HH books, Astartes trained extensively for CC, via sparring matches etc.

>>53698950
They spend literally their whole life training in all forms of combat, they're fluffwise excellent in melee

>>53698798
Hellions are amazing now with a 14" move and an extra attack.
Or how about 16" with drugs? Or Str 5?
I'm excited for my little Green Goblins to be good.

>>53698950
Pretty well trained, they go toe to toe with eldar on occasion.

Anyone know any good shapeways store (or anywhere else) that sells good helmet replacements that fit space marines?

>>53698989
Puppetswar and maxmini are my favorite, but there's a whole list in WIP

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>>53698912
>>53698944
Btw, here you go anon :)

>>53698876

I actually unironically like the look of the Primaris Marines

>>53698950
Extremely well trained, spending in some cases centuries mastering the art of combat.

And that boys and girls is why they are only ~16.6% more accurate in combat than a fucking Guardsman.

>>53698975
>>53698980
That doesn't say much, you could spar extensively and still have no technique. And I don't think they'd have enough time to develop them just by sparring, since the other aspects of war (small unit tactics, weapon operation and maintenance, survivalism, communication, combat drills, etc) are much more important and time consuming.

>>53699013
Me too. Wish bolt riffles where rapid fire 2

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>>53698950
They're all basically bruce lee with the musculature and build of a fucking gorilla.

All humans except assassins, and people heavily enhanced by bionics are totally outclassed. Space marines are faster, stronger, more precise, and with superior technical skill.

Also they know kung fu

>>53698798
Troops in general

hows this look for my first full game of 8th?to me it feels "not enough anti armor/10"
>nb4 he's using retard points
Battalion
99 power level
>Cryptek
>Destroyer Lord
>overlord
> 2X 10 warriors in a ghost ark
>1X 20 warrior unit
>1X monolith
>2X 3 destroyers + 1 heavy

>>53698897
Nice to know. Is his stuff in resin or gw plastic?

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>>53699048
>Power Level

>>53698876
I like it, but it's deffinatly messes up the iconic look of SM's. Regardless GW said the actual kits (not the starter set marines) will be compatible with older marks of helmets and shoulder pads.

>>53699048
>99 power level
what does this mean in non autist

>>53699048
can someone convert this to points

>>53699027
You asked a question and got an answer, shitheel.

>>53699044
>all humans are totally outclassed
Caiphas Cain went toe to toe with a high ranking astartes and even glanced his armor a few times
though he was considered an amazing swordsman even by the inquisitions high standards, and he admitted that if it was a real fight he'd have lost

>>53699048
Fuck the haters. Power levels save time in list building.

How's it look? The lord can either chill with the cultists or drop with the sorc and termies. The Sorc runs warptime and prescience to buff the terminators so they can mow shit down with 40 2+ bolter shots and follow up with 21 S6 -1 hits. On average, they'll drop 10 MEQ, 26 Orks, or 33 GEQ. If the lord drops with them, they can reroll 1s on top of the fact. The raptors hang back and play cleanup while the Brute moves forward and chips away at shit until it can smash. It's nice because it doesn't degrade as it gets wounded, either. Hell, it might make MORE shooting.

CSM Battalion
1000pts 6CP

>HQ
Sorcerer w/Jump Pack, Force sword, and Bolt Pistol
Lord w/Terminator Armor, Power Maul, Combi-Bolter

>Troops
3x Cultists x10 w/Autoguns

>Elites
Terminators x10 w/Combi-Bolters and Power Mauls
Hellbrute w/Fist, Combi-Bolter, Reaper Autocannon

>Fast
Raptors x10 w/CMelta, Melta x2

>>53698798
Conscripts becamse the best unit in the game

>>53698981

I played a game with 10 of them last night against guard. Lost 5 of them to him stealing initiative, killed 4 dudes with the remaining 5s shooting, lost 3 to overwatch and the last 2 killed 5 (all hit all wound all kill).

I didn't have many targets to choose from so they felt wasted, I think they're going to be excellent marine hunters with strength 5.

>>53699071
>>53699089
>>53699092
about 2000, its made for people to just bash together quick lists and play

>>53699089
Roughly 2000 points.

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>>53699048
>power level

>>53699097
>we make making points stupidly complicated
>that means power levels are somehow a better substitute

Just because you light your house on fire doesn't make the cheapest motel in town suddenly a better place to live.

>>53699097
>I don't have 10 minutes (if that) to ensure the fairness and fun of a 2 hour long game

>>53699097
I've seen more broken/unbalanced games using power levels than I have seen balanced/interesting games. They should have assumed you were maxed out on equipment, not some "mid drange".

>>53699110
a bit less than 2000, id say thats closer to 1850-1700

so actual day 1 errata/FAQs
Not the bullshit clearly wrong, why do we have to tell you idiots not to be stupid, stuff.
Hell, no 'i don't like these rules' shit.

Just little weird wordings, typos, missing lines. Stuff that gets missed when your putting out several hundreds of pages of rules.

1) Master of Ordinance doesn't list the barrage as part of it's wargear
2) Wrack leader is listed as being able to take 'tools of torment', but those are listed as replacing a range weapon, and the wrack leader doesn't have one to replace.
3) Autarch weapon list
I could be wrong on this, but it looks like you can take 2 deathspinner/catapults on an autarch, or combined a deathspinners/catapult with a fusion gun ect.
That might be the intent, but seems a bit weird.
4) if a unit that has "always hits on a X+ regardless of modifiers" shoots at a unit with "Is only hit on a Y+ regardless of modifiers", which takes rule takes precedent?

>>53698790
I think it was determined the conscripts are more efficient in most cases.

>>53699124
>> caring that much

>>53699044
>>53699016
>>53698982
They can't be that good, they're only one point of weapon skill better than a Guardsman which is trained for a few months which is the same as modern non-conscriptes soldiers.

I see it like this: WS2 has no training, WS3 has basic training, WS4 is entry-level martial arts and WS5 is advanced martial arts.

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>>53699048
if you know theyre retard points why are you using them

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>>53699048
>99 power level

>>53698936
>Primaris Marines use mkIV Maximus style helmet
No they don't.

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>>53698798
The original comeback King

You can lay him low for multiple whole editions..6th and 7th were metaphors for the icy ravine he twice stumbled into

Motherfucker was just licking his wounds and waiting in the shadows the whole time

>>53698798
Hemlock Wraithfighter.
It's gun now autohits. So it's wound track basically does nothing.
It can give conceal buff to all units within 3 inches of it's base. Also takes it up to -2 to hit.
-1 leadership aura is a lot useful.

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>>53699156
>caring so little about playing a relatively fair game that you're not willing to do some simple addition

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>>53699129
>>53699124
>>53699114
>>53699097
>>53699092
>>53699089
>>53699071
>tfw you just want to have a quick game with your m8 and learn the rules of 8th but instead you get made fun of for using power levels on a website dedicated to indonesian stop motion

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>>53699093
>gives retarded nonsensical answer
>w-why are y-you calling me out pls stop
Your tears are absolutely delicious.

>>53699164
Only autists don't understand that the fluff is more in depth and the WS/BS mechanics are watered down and codified for efficient gameplay.

>>53699164
Eldar aspects have the same WS and they spend their immortal lives doing only one thing.

>>53699097
>i play 40k the way I play call of duty i dont have time i died ok start over shoot shoot died start over I DONT HAVE TIME GIVE ME MORE MOUNTAIN DEW DONT COME IN MY ROOM MOM

>>53699197

Your list is fine, have fun

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>>53699071
>>53699092
>>53699114
>>53699166

Good sport fellow elegan/t g/entlemen! Power levels are for the unenlightened minds too afraid of the many intricate numbers involved with points. Us real gamers make sure every point is accounted for every time! I bet they would even met their opponent play a 1000pt game with 1001 points! Ha! The barbarians!

>>53699189
That's right I don't care. I just like putting miniatures down and playing. You really took your moms advice to be fair to heart.

>>53699124
power levels do plenty to give fairness in the type of games you'd use powerlevels to put together.

And don't lie, you don't finish tinkering with points in 10 minutes. You spend 20 minutes getting the first bit done, then an hour making sure you used up the last 100 points exactly how you wanted.

>>53699164
No.

Consider that Strength 3 represents both weedy 14-year old conscripts and Ahnold tier Catachan muscles that can break the first guys entire body like a twig.

The system doesn't have the granularity to represent fluff perfectly.

Last thread someone talked about a guard vs necron game. They mentioned Bullgryn and rough riders so I wanted to see them in action. Anyone got a link to that game?

>>53699201
Then why don't they just make the game reflect the fluff?
>because they would only sell 10 space marines per person if they did
oh

How are the Tempestus now? Will they work well if I add some Primaris with them?

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>>53699197
Don't act like you didn't know what was going to happen.

>>53699027
>and time consuming
What part about them spending every waking moment of their lives in combat or prepping to be in combat do you not understand?

The Imperial Fists regularly hold the "Feast of Blades" a tournament between chapters to see who has the best cc combatant. Combat blades, chainswoards, power swords, power mauls, power axes, lightning claws, thunder hammers, dueling blades, etc. You don't have that sort of extensive arsenal and go "yea we don't think cc is that important a skill set".

If you like Astartes fluff how can you stand to play them on the table? They get murdered like little bitch boys in comparison to the one man armies they are in the lore.

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>>53699201
>everyone who disagrees with me is autistic!
Never stop posting.

Are there any staples for Chaos Daemons and CSM in 8th? Plague Drones and Plaguebearers have done well for me so far but I haven't tried out CSM yet.

>>53698798

Troop choices across the board

Special mention to scions who went from unplayable kirby codex to legitimate and fun space SAS

>>53699197
dude you can play however you want, but this is like walking into a different country and asking everyone to speak your language

we don't use power levels, you shouldn't expect us to give you advice about them, because we don't understand them, because we don't want to.

>>53699197
If you just want a quick game to learn the rules then why are you posting the list here for feedback? Why do you think we care? If you're posting a list here it's implied you're looking for actual competitive analysis (not that you're going to get it because /tg/ is full of retards who are bad at games)

>>53699100
What's your plan in case of tanks? Not sure if a few meltas and Power mauls really are enough. But it's only 1000pts and vehicles cost more so I guess it can do...
Otherwise, lots of bodies, a few killy units. I like the list. Only thing I'm not sure about is the jump pack on the Sorceror but if you have the points to spare...

>>53699207
God you people get butt hurt when someone doesn't do things how you want. They made PL for people that play casually.

>>53699198
what army are you excited to play in 8th cheetah-chan?

>>53699228
But Catachans are merely peak human. Marines are superhuman. It makes sense.

>>53699202
>Eldar aspects have the same WS and they spend their immortal lives doing only one thing.
no, only the exarchs are stuck on the path of war.
aspect warriors take off their masks when not in training, and will in time join other paths.

>>53698965
Looks the same, just with an additional armor plate over the fuck huge Vader grill.

>>53699226
Power Levels have been mathematically proven to be entirely unbalanced, by as much as +/-20% compared to equivalent points.

>>53699224
>putting effort into excusing being this fucking lazy

>>53699248
>he doesn't know there's an entire universe of books, games, comics, and short stories behind this tabletop miniature game


You don't seriously play this game solely for the game mechanics and dice rolls do you?

Do you?

>>53698876
I like it, gets away from the imperial stormtrooper look

>>53699225
So why don't you just buy green plastic army men and yell pew pew at each other for a couple hours if you don't give a shit?

>>53699264
Right but my point is that there's a huge gap just between two different units that are both Strength 3 in terms of fluff.

That means a mere Weapon Skill 3 can also have a massive gap from "had a few weeks of training" to "can kick the ass of every person you know simultaneously", and WS 4 is a big jump up from there.

>>53698876
Beakies have always looked fucking stupid. I honestly don't know what you faggots like about them.

>>53699253
>why are you posting your power points list here for feedback?
have you not seen the shitshow it started?

>>53699225
you could just play with rocks in the garden then

Where is everyone getting rules from? None of the megas in the op seem to have 8e shit.

I've been wanting to get into the game but I wanted to look over the rules we've seen so far too instead of just going off 7e books.

>>53699271
>if pushed to extreme within 20% of the points of the other
>so likely within 10% of the other
>points are a perfect representation of balance
seems fine for a quick games or trying out weird ideas.

no ones suggesting it's going to be tournament level balance. That wasn't the point.

>>53699201
You can make "efficient gameplay" and also make the marines suitably powerful. That's what points are for.

>>53699226
>power levels do plenty to give fairness in the type of games you'd use powerlevels to put together
they are literally WAACfag bait
>And don't lie, you don't finish tinkering with points in 10 minutes. You spend 20 minutes getting the first bit done, then an hour making sure you used up the last 100 points exactly how you wanted.
Anon, does it really take you an hour and 20 minutes to do some addition?
Also, list building software.

>>53699246
I never sais it wasn't important. I said it wasn't AS important as their other skills, because quite frankly you don't need to be a samurai to outfight an ork boy, specially when you're a power-armored superhuman with steel bones whose sword is also a monomolecular chainsaw.

>>53699300
What do you want to see, I'll post it.

>>53699231

>how are tempestus?

Legitimately good and competitive

>how are primaris allied in?

Feel free to add in a hellblaster squad or two, pure tempestus have literally zero heavy support choices. Primaris have no frills long range shooting which compliments the short ranged blinged out scions shooting

>>53699224
ah seems we have a plebbiter in our ranks

>>53699226
>plenty to give fairness
You can write a list that's 2000 points or 3000 with the same amount of power. And those other symptoms are just because you are an autist and bad at math

>>53699224
>he's so shitty at math he has to strawman THIS HARD while gingerly rubbing his devastated anus that everyone else won't oblige him with retard points

>>53699303
It's a good mechanic to use with points too.

Want a game / tourney without knights or whatever? Say 2k points, max power 20

>>53699303
except for dozens of stores planning power-level tournaments

>>53699284
Because I like 40k. I just don't cry like a bitch about fair and balanced. You are over simplifying what I said. I must have really hit a nerve, not playing with points.

>>53699231

Scions and Taurox Primes are the most points efficient IG units (conscripts aside). They would be pretty good even if they didn't have deep strike.

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>>53699097
Anon, listen, the WHOLE POINT of power levels is to give the guys who dont have a list a system to VAGUELY gauge how powerful their army is at a glance.

You dont build towards a limit like points, that is not what it is there for. Trying to use it as a points limit will make for extremely unbalanced games.

>>53699331
That's a good point. Using both in combination is patrician.

2k points, no more than 20 power level on any one unit, or more than 25 power level on any single battlefield role except troops.

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>>53699263
Already having a blast with my World Eaters! Can't wait for the codex to come out so I can get those relics on my Juggerlord.

>>53699281
>everyone who disagrees with me is unaware that fluff exists!
top kek

>>53699342
I'm okay with that.

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powerlevel fag here
currently translating that list into points in hopes of sealing the autism that has been released

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What buy would go well with my new Plague Marines?

Two chaos rhinos?

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>>53699048
>power level
>mfw
what is this in points

>>53699336
Nah man, I'm just genuinely not understanding why you would ever voluntarily opt to introduce imbalance into your games just to save a couple fucking minutes of napkin math, or why you would spend the time and money required to get into this hobby if you "don't give a shit."

>>53699294
This, they just look goofy. Maybe they looked cool 30 years ago

>>53699257

I'm not TOO worried about vehicles because the more vehicles there are, the fewer soft targets there are for the termies, which means they'll get to go after whatever. Sadly, they'll only strip about 3 wounds from shooting a rhino and a little less in melee. If it is a tank heavy list then the sorc will probably buff the brute instead and the raptors will pick off what's left.

The jump pack on the sorcerer let's him Deepstrike with the terminators while giving him the movement to keep up with Warptime or to reposition himself.

>>53699308
it's not the addition.
You know that. It's the "hmm... I'm 10 points short of getting this... can I take a couple less option and..." shit.

No, if you think the opponent is going to be doing WAAC bullshit, don't use power. Use power when you want to throw together a game for fun that afternoon, or doing a weird scenario.
If you don't want to do that, that's fine. you don't have to use them.
If you and your friends can't play without trying to squeeze out every sort of advantage in your lists, then power isn't for you. That's fine. don't use it.

There are people out there who just want to know their armies are fairly close in terms of what's in them, then have fun. It's okay if you aren't one of them.

>>53699334
You mean GW stores trying to test out if they can get people to fall for the new meme?

ITC and all the tourneys that follow their standards already have a system set-up using matched play points, number of detachments, etc.

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>>53699354
>>53699248
>>53699198

>>53699314
Marines, Deathwatch, and/or Grey Knights.

Though I'm mostly interested in Deathwatch or Salamanders Marines, since a friend already has Grey Knights and I want an army that isn't already in my friend group.

>>53699363

It's dumb because it's so easy to exploit. You basically just grab shit with expensive wargear.

>>53699372
You're supposed to have the list built BEFORE you go in looking for a game, you scrub. And most people have fun juggling the numbers trying to see what they can fit in.

How good are we thinking Devilfish are gonna be this edition? I'm excited to run my strike teams in 8th. Tell me nice things about Tau, /tg/

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>>53699377

>>53699288
But the gap is not that big. Peak/bodybuilder human is still weaker than your average bear, it's all about relaivity. The same way you could be a very experienced street fighter and will still lose to an amateur martial artist.

They are all big gaps that still work with my definition without going into nonsense territory.

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>>53699354
>he doesn't deny not knowing the fluff exists
Holy shit you really do play the game for the mechanics. That is literally autism.

>>53698799
are you dabbing your brush tip into recesses or anything like that? like using your brush in a stabbing motion to get into crevices? thats how mine ended up like that

>>53699363
Because my friends and I don't give a shit. We do not play competitively.

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>>53699311
>boy

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>>53699406

>>53698798
Da 'Naut

>>53699337

Scions in Valkyries are so good they'll see play DESPITE having deep strike

Scions with tauroxes might still end up deep striking since the taurox is worth it even empty

I've done 4 power level 70 games thus far. It was easy and fun. My group is going to start trying out regular points next week.

Power Levels are interesting, they take into account a maxed out squad so it's the equivalent of picking a squad and maxing out the points on them before selecting another. It skews it towards fewer bodies but more gear. Where as in normal matched points you wouldn't always sink every possible point into each unit you had. That would allow you to fill out bodies and get more units.

Power levels are perfect for casual play; quick and easy. Then there's a reason matched still uses regular points; you don't want to fill out your limit by sinking every point into each choice. That allows for more optimization in a list to make it more competetive.

>>53699404
They're good. Transports with Fly are extremely useful because they can't be tarpitted or trapped in combat easily. Something like a Land Raider that gets charged by one gaunt will lose a full turn of shooting, and if it gets surrounded it's utterly fucked and the unit inside will auto-die if it gets popped.

Anyone who doesn't strive to play optimally is an unenlightened fool. I always laugh at those people when they bring their "fun" suboptimal lists and I ruthlessly destroy them with my finely crafted up-to-meta list.
I don't care about "fluff", only victory.

>>53699315
How would fare a tempestus + russes list?

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>>53699421

>>53699400
"hey I've got the day off, want to get a game in", "sure omw".
"Hey, I'm at the store with 100pts of power if anyone wants to show up for a game".
Have a the second and forth saturday be the warhammer game at the store, just show up see who's around for a game.
Finish early, want to try out another idea after.

>And most people have fun juggling the numbers trying to see what they can fit in.
yep, and that's fun for that type of game. Which is why there is also a points system.

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>>53699433
Taurox Primes are better than Russes.
>>53699437

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>>53699409
>everyone who disagrees with me only plays the game for the mechanics!
Top kek anon, when will this madness end?

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>>53699451

>>53699415
>spending hundreds to thousands of dollars on expensive miniatures, paints, brushes, and hobby tools
>spending hours painstakingly assembling, painting, converting, maybe even sculpting your miniatures
>lol I don't give a shit
Do you see why I'm having trouble believing that? There are much cheaper and less involved hobbies out there if you just want to have some quick, cheap, imbalanced, no-skill-required fun with your friends.

>>53699433

Russes are okay if you can see them as armored bunkers with long range guns that never move unless they have to

An ordinary battle cannon Russ with a lascannon and two heavy bolters is a good all targets piece and with all your scions up the field, it should be able to stay in your deployment zone putting decent damage on anything your opponent brings

Russ punishers are probably the best turret but battlecannons are fine if that's what you have

>>53699431
there are a few rules mistakes there.
Fly or no fly, you can withdraw from combat. Fly just lets you shoot after. Disembarking is before movement in all cases.
You can disembark from a transport in combat, so long as you fit within 3" of the transport and 1" from the enemy.

It's 1/6 chance of a mortal wound, not autodeath.

>>53699451
I had a dcent scions force from 6th, several squards and former HQs, plus 6 taurox (6 for logic configuration).
Still, I was wondering if one could vary a bit with russes. I like the model.

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>>53699224

>>53699284
Why don't you? if the rules are so utmost in importance, you can save crazy amounts of cash buying army men and gluing them on 32 mm bases. and play the same system. We all got into this game because of the pretty minis or the desire to command an awesome army of toys anon... any other reason is a lie

>>53699451
>Taurox Primes are better than Russes
Do they cost more points? That seems weird.

>>53699444
Anon, do your lists get burned every time you're done playing with them? You own specific painted models with specific wargear, is it that hard to have two or three lists made in an afternoon that you then use for the next several years with only slight tweaking as you buy new stuff, and just bring with you to pick up games? Holy christ.

You guys act like you have fucking Alzheimer's and every time there's an unplanned game you have to rediscover your entire model collection and figure out what everything costs despite the fact that you would have already made lists for previous games and should have been able to memorize half the points costs already.

>>53698816
Gun drones

>>53699495
Easy, both are important to me.

>>53699485

It's perfectly doable and you won't be gimping yourself all that hard

>>53699300
Literally the first one.

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>>53699224
>so assblasted he made an entire strawman out of his projected insecurities
roflmao

>>53699479
>that never move unless they have to
you do know that they have a special rule that the main gun doesn't get the -1 to hit.
I mean, it makes the heavy bolters a bit worse, but it's a bit. Moving up to sit on an objective, or getting cover could easily be worth that.

Other than that I mostly agree.

>>53699013
I can kinda agree with >>53698876 about the helmets not being perfect but I think they overall look great. I just wish GW would have just said these were the new marine sculpts instead of making a whole new character and lore for them but it's whatever.

>>53699477
He wouldn't do all that if he didn't enjoy doing it , to him (and probably the games designers ) the gaming is the icing on the cake

>>53699497
Tauroxes cost less points but put out roughly the same amount of damage as a Punisher, and the Punisher is the best choice of Russ in this edition, therefore...

>>53699500
Yeah honestly...not many people have infantry fully magnetized so they can 100% adapt to any list at any moment. Fuck most people just have a few variations of a list at best. Sure, if you've got 4k of marines and want to always tailor a list...well that might be a problem.

Im not 100% on it with this edition, but I could wing what my points of armies woudl be before and be only 10~50 off.

>>53699484
>there are a few rules mistakes there.
No there aren't.

>Fly or no fly, you can withdraw from combat.
Not if you're surrounded. You can't move through enemy models. Fly ignores that restriction and can move over enemy models.

>You can disembark from a transport in combat, so long as you fit within 3" of the transport and 1" from the enemy.
Which you won't be able to do if you're surrounded.

>It's 1/6 chance of a mortal wound, not autodeath.
No, you even got that wrong. It's a model is slain on a 1, not suffers a mortal wound. But more importantly, that never comes up, because if a transport is destroyed, the unit inside has to disembark before removing the transport, and again, if you're fucking surrounded, there's no room to place those models, so they all die automatically.

Read the fucking rules, especially before you make some dumbass comment about shit being wrong when you are the one who is wrong.

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>>53699360
>>53699172
>>53699166
>>53699114
>>53699092
>>53699089
>>53699071
>>53699048
okay so its all added up, its 2150, i guess ill drop the overlord and shave some points and just make it a solid 2000, now we can all go back to shitting on 8ths balance using points

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>>53698798

Well, Orkanauts are better.

Though this leaves me wondering is putting more than one of them on the table cheese now.

Unfortunately the Stompa may be worse now, but the Kustom Stompa rules have been confirmed for Forgeworld so I can't really complain.

>>53699530

Sure it's not a terrible idea but with that loadout you can already hit your opponents table edge, suffice to say with the changes to LOS on vehicles you don't exactly Need to move very much

>>53699477
Well your autistic ass will just had to scratch your head and wonder. People get joy from different areas of the 40k game.

>>53699550
I didn't expect power levels to actually be this imbalanced compared to points... holy crap people actually use these?

>>53699497

Taurox Primes are like 98 points with wargear. They're ultra efficient against basically everything. AFAIK they can only carry Scions which you probably won't put in them but it doesn't matter, they're great even if they transport nothing.

>>53699400
Eeeh I wouldn't exactly call juggling numbers fun.
It's to listbuilding what mold-line cleanup is to modelling, a chore neccesary for a good result.

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>>53699556
>Gork, Mork
>(G)Ork, (M)Ork
>Ork
How come I never noticed this before

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>>53699590
i love you anon

>>53699567
>i am a cuck who enjoys paying full price for half the package: The post
How's your wife's son faring?

>>53699500
do you ever play without worrying that your army is exactly as strong as your opponents, or that scenario is perfectly fair.
Do you ever want to try something completely new and different. Do you get ever get board with tweaked lists. Do you ever make a list around an idea other than 'be the most powerful force possible'.

If you don't, okay, don't use power. You don't have to.

>>53699572
You're not even supposed to use them for balanced games. You're supposed to use them for games where you put whatever you want on the table and the opponent puts whatever they want on the table and then you add your power levels up, and then the guy who has LOWER power level gets some handicap bonuses like extra command point re-rolls to make up for it, and tries to hold out heroically against overwhelming odds.

If you're trying to get the power levels to match up to each other, you're already doing it wrong and at that point should just be using points.

>>53699567
>People get joy from different areas of the 40k game.
You're making it sound so much more noble than it actually is.
You're throwing any chance at balance out the window to save yourself a couple minutes of math, you dumb lazy fucking faggot.

>>53699550
>100 PL is about 2000 pts
>comes out to 2150
not too bad if you're just doing a casual quick game where winning and loosing is kinda a secondary worry
obviously a tourney would be people just abusing it as much as possible

>>53699580
I enjoy juggling numbers. But then again I've got a degree in this kind of shit.

>>53699602
You are really going to be this childish because other people use power levels?

>>53699562
that's why I said cover and objectives, not getting into range.
Also, do people not put out LOS blocking terrain? is this not a thing.

>>53699575
I am honestly wondering why Taurox are so cheap, it's kind of stunning.

>>53699306
ok
guardsmen are now WS3 at 5ppm
marines are WS7 at 30ppm
happy?

>>53699608
I can see power points being the new excuse for waacfags bringing broken armies into casual games.

>>53699572

I was originally against power levels, but I've unironically had a lot of fun using power levels. I honestly think the only people shitting on them are the people who've never played with them and never will anyway. Hell, most of the people probably never play anyway because this is tg.

>>53699619
like age of sigmar?

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When are the list builders being updated so we can put the fucking power level meme to bed?

>>53699623
Don't care about balance. Cry harder. I just don't care. You can't make me.

>>53699608
>Do you ever want to try something completely new and different. Do you get ever get board with tweaked lists. Do you ever make a list around an idea other than 'be the most powerful force possible'.
Uh, yeah. You can do all of those things with points. In fact up until 8th edition you always did because the game didn't have power levels. Are you just fucking completely retarded?

>>53699629
>gets btfo
>y-your a child!
Kek cuck, your tears are delicious.

>>53699357
Don't. Fuck em. power is fun and fine. it's led to several great games for me and mine. Cheers

>Drones have protocols to throw off their bodies without any regard for their existence to save t'au lives
>when they do so they'll flee the battle after
Why the fuck aren't drones fearless/have better ld?

>>53699645
But they're so easy to abuse... I've built two different 200PL lists, and one was about 600 points more than the other.

There's a fun game and then theres "I get 8 Queens and 8 Knights and you just get 16 Pawns".

>>53699511
>>53699479
Thanks!

What's the best configuration for each Russ? Is always better to buy sponson now that the vehicles are less on-shottable?
I was thinking:

Battle Tank - Battle cannon, Laser, no idea on sponsons (Multi-Meltas?)
Demolisher - Demolisher cannon, Laser, Plasma? Or better flamers? Can you overwatch with vehicles?
Punisher - Punisher cannon, bolters everywhere (actually 3)
Vanquisher - Vanquisher C, Lascannon, Multi-Meltas
Executioner - Plasma everywhere, lascannon
Eradicator - Nova cannon and 3 flamers, specific for city scenario, fuck your cover
Extarminator: 3 bolters: dunno what to do with this one, was good but heavily nerfed
Annihilator (FW) - Laser, 2 MM
Conqueror (FW) No Idea. Also, the existence of this one makes clear who wrote large blasts as a simple d6 is a retard. 2d6 drop lower would have been enough.
They designed FW in a corner, I think.

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>>53699224
>what did he mean by this?
at least your have your fedora, it suits you very very well anon.

>>53699659
>t. taufag

>>53699655
Both are in progress.
BS 8th module is in beta but has all armies
Babbys first picture book has like half the forces.

>>53699673
Power is fine if people have fun with it, but they shouldn't be posting "power level" lists here for feedback because that's completely devoid of the fucking point of power levels.

If they want feedback, it means they want something competitive, which means they should be using points. It's that simple.

People aren't freaking out that someone had the audacity to use power levels, they're just saying don't post that shit here for listbuilding advice because that's not what power levels are for and it's just wasting everyone's time.

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>>53699641
but what is that in power level?

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>>53698798
This beautiful bastard right here

I really enjoyed running him alongside a Sunshark Bomber in my game yesterday.

>>53699642
assholes will always be assholes.
Assholes trying to abuse a systems is not a very solid critique of that system, because of course they did.

Assholes are more able to abuse this system, so don't use it when playing with assholes.

>>53699684
The best configuration for a Leman Russ is Punisher period. In the majority of cases, a Punisher is simply superior thanks to the dumbed down toughness/wounding system. The sheer number of shots it reliably fires makes it mathematically a better choice ~8 times out of 10.

If you're just wanting to play with your models, though, either double down on high-damage weapons with long range, or take as many bullets per turn as you can. Any in-between is just a waste of points.

>>53699659
>you can't make me nyah nyah
Holy shit you know you have to be at least 18 to post here, right?
Power levels literally confirmed for children

>>53699675

They have "self-preservation protocols," which I assume just means they have AI programmed or simply smart enough to realize it'd rather not be killed.

Maybe it's a quirk of their simple machine intelligence, or maybe it's hard-coded (or maybe they used a companion animal as a base model for the computer brain), but for whatever reason they sometimes would rather not die.

>>53699676
It's really not much different to 7e where you could build lists with equal points and inequal balance.

>>53699655
What is that image from?

It reminds me of that one, spider man I think it was, comic that ripped some tau.

>>53699628
And I enjoy space efficiency and was trained for that.
Sadly packing models is a infinitely small part of the hobby.

>>53699673
>>53699713

Power level lists is bait for the ignorant who still don't know the difference between 'competitive' points and 'fun' power levels.

Post FW model predictions

Cerastus Knight Atrapos
Power 30

14” 3+ 3+ 8 8 28 4 9 3+

14-7W 8” move
6-1W 4” move

Grav Singularity Cannon
36” D6 S8 AP-4 D6 Roll 2d6, pick the highest for damage

Before shooting roll a d6. On a 1 it suffers a mortal wound and fires normally, on a 6 it does d6 mortal wounds for damage instead of regular wounds. If a model is wounded but not slain on a 6 it takes d6 further mortal wounds.

Beam
8” d6 S12 AP-4 D6 damage, min of 3

Melee
S12 AP-4 D6 damage, min of 3, reroll failed wounds against monsters and vehicles.

Blessed auto sim, on a 6 the wound is ignored

ionic flare shield, -1 to wound rolls made against the knight

macro extinction protocols, reroll to hits against titanic models.

>>53699675
They aren't fleeing, they're suffering from malfunctions. Battleshock represents ALL the shit that can go wrong in battle.

>>53699713
Then why is everyone attacking people for saying they like Power levels?

Guys, Just picked up a shiny new grey plastic kit. My naut, Morka or Gorka?

Anyone ever run test games by yourself? Saves time going to the game store or bothering friends.

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>>53699599
thanks?
y-you too?

>>53698798
I'm pretty happy with the Lord of Skulls being a little over 150 pts cheaper.

>>53699758

Fear of the new and unknown. Also false-flagging and shitposting.

>>53699713
aye, that seems fair. Just seemed like they were all pilling on. because he mentioned power is all. Can't stand that.

>>53699770
>Fear of the new and unknown
Actually, it's distaste for the objectively shit

>>53699760
nah, I do sometimes math-hammer stuff on paper since I usually know what my opponents'll bring

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What's the best place for a tattoo like pic related?

>>53699759
Gork. The Mork is gonna explode more from its plasma.

>>53699713
>People aren't freaking out that someone had the audacity to use power levels,
no people are most certainly doing that.

The rest is true, but people are flipping their shit over the idea that power level is a thing and people use it.

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Rate my quick test 1k list.
>POWER LEVEL: 56
>Spearhead Detachment
>Primaris Lieutenant
>Primaris Hellblasters
>Primaris Hellblasters
>Whirlwind
>Fortification Network
>Imperial Bunker with Quad Cannon
>Imperial Bunker
>2 Vengeance Weapon Batteries

>>53699655
Never ever going to happen, you're going to have to adapt.

>>53699785

If that was the case, they wouldn't be in a 40k thread, or on 4chan for that matter.

>>53699770
>fearing the unknown and freaking out about false flags
is /tg/ america?

>>53699785
Are you always this much of a faggot? Like, at home? at work? because Holy Shit!

>>53699755
>poxwalkers never malfunction
I mean fuck! We finally broke the characteristic value of 10. They could have made some horde stuff like ld15 or something. Really lazy job.

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>>53699197
Because for 40k fa/tg/uys powerlevels are basically the equivalent of dieting.

>>53699792
you should know that Anon :^)

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HE HE HE HE HE HE
ZEKE ZEKE ZEKE

Does anyone else think Tau should be removed from the game? Stupid anime gundam robot lawful good aliens don't belong in 40k.

>>53699676

I thought the same thing, but guess what though? It doesn't really matter. Play it out and see what happens.

>>53699794

It's shooting is also worse this time around isn't it?

I struggle to see it hitting anything most of the time with Blasts a thing of the past.

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>>53699796
that made me nauseous
heres your (you) though

>>53699794
but it also get's that spiffy KFF. But yeah mortal wounding itself sucks
So it's pretty much attacks vs plasma that can fuck you over?

>>53699794
but you don't HAVE to supercharge it

>>53699758
Shitposting.
Power levels are fine but they are a fun side attraction that isn't meant to be taken seriously.
Like an aroma therapy stand at a medical convention.

>>53699815
I think what you mean...

Just saying that it's a pre-heresy symbol, so....

>>53699722
Fine, but there are some borderline cases.
I asked about the flamers, as an example, because IMHO they suit a tank that has a short range and is likely to be assaulted.

Also, I am not sure if Plasma cannon can suit anything or is just better to go MM on any non-bolter sponson.

The punisher model I have, I was thinking about Pask, use another commander for the Vanquisher, use them to buff an Executioner and an Annihilator, and from there I am lost.

>>53699818
do you know where you are? who do you think you're b8'ing? theres no tau players here, we ran them off long ago

>>53699818
Kill yourself cock gobbler

>>53699818
you actually take the setting seriously?

Do you not get the point that while people in the setting take it seriously, them doing so is part of the joke.
It's an absurd setting with wildly different aspects and tone. But everyone in it buys into it all the time.
That's what makes it great.

>>53699817
.... how do you know my name?

>>53699796
3

>>53699792
Ass, tit, or over where your pubes used to be.

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>>53699455
>doubling down on autism
>had to learn about the 40k universe in a 40k thread despite already playing 40k

who here is hyped to read the new tactica articles for 8th on 1d4chan? i hear this time they might actually try and play with the unit before doing the write up!

>>53699818
>but muh muh muh m-muh
m-muh muh muh!

>>53699829
made me nauseated. Nauseous is when you make other people feel nauseated.

>>53699865
2/10
Not worth the capcha.

>>53699865
>hyped to read
>1d4chan

Never ever

>>53699865
I'll burn it down and rewrite it all myself just get that shithole back to modern if I have to.

>>53699865
kek
truth be told, some of the fantasy articles were pretty useful to me, though

>>53699818

They're in and we're stuck with them. At least they've made them a good deal less lawful good and a bit more lawful neutral and grey-morality.

Best thing they could do is let Tau expand to more places in the galaxy so they can get their shit kicked in properly. Have a Sept world eaten by bugs, ravaged by ancient, evil aliens, or lost in a warp storm with subsequent records expunged by the Ethereals.

It actually makes a little sense why nothing can penetrate that tight ball of an Empire they have going because they can bring their full might to bear in a short time given their density, but it also means they've got huge plot armor. Let them get their asses kicked a whole lot means lightening up their inner sphere's defenses or giving them more reach so they can exceed their grasp and get fucked over.

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>>53699863
>he still thinks everyone who disagrees with him hasn't read the fluff because he says so
My sides

>>53699875
thanks for reminding me why I'm a bio major and not an english major
other than liking money and respect that is

What Chaos heavy support would you support?

Defiler, Vindicator, Predator, Land Raider or Forgefiend?

>>53699830
The KFF works if your entire unit is in the 9 inch range. The more dakka helps with its lack of super shots.

>>53699836
Ork plasma is always super charged, we don't turn it down, we amp it up!

>>53699894
no-one will admit that if they started in the last few years they spent lots of time reading 1d4 in their early days before realizing the strategies were shit
>totally not projecting

If a model has the FLY keyword, does it mean i can place it above other models in the same space? Like how would that work with big models like Carnifexes? I'm pretty sure the base would slide off.

>>53699836
Youz is talkin git
Gunz aint spose ta ave safetys deys supposed ta be unsafe.
Like trukks, da only brreaks dey ever see are when dey hit a beakie!

>>53699964
you can move over enemy models, but you still can't end your move within 1" of them

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>>53699902
>he has to take the time to google pictures of animals to respond to me
>still hasn't comprehended what I wrote

>>53699964
Read the rules.

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>>53698798
Baneblades

Okay, hear me out here. Yes, the main cannon has been weakened - but everything about it is so much stronger. All vehicles have gotten a lot more expensive so that's not a big deal.

The thing is, the Baneblade has 9 attacks at WS 5+. Give it 4 Heavy Flamers and the thing is an assault monstrosity because it can shoot, charge in, beat up a unit, and then next turn pull out and do the exact same thing all over again

who are the jews of the 41st millennium?
im thinking dark angels have the "shifty shilock" theme down while craftworlders have the zionist side

>>53699985
pretty sure bane blades have a rule that just let them shoot if there are enemies within 1"

>>53699071
>POWER LEVEL ISN'T BALANCED
>I PREFER THIS OTHER SYSTEM WHICH IS MADE BY THE SAME PEOPLE

Some things in power level are under costed
Some things in matched points are under costed
Some things in power level are over costed
Some things in matched points are over costed

The game literally doesn't change no matter which "balance" you use

>>53699985
>hitting on 5+
so it has 3 attacks basically

>>53698897
>Regardless, Alpha is almost always just FW stuff (and better for it). Z for everything else.

Are these guys on Aliexpress? Just the letter "Z" is hard to get a good lock on for search purposes

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>>53699977
>implying i dont have an entire folder of cheetahs laughing at your retardation
>projecting his own search of shitty anime pics which takes longer to reply than i do
>b-but you d-don't understand!
Lmao

The current rules for 8e allow you to take noise marines in a World Eaters army

>>53699996
Well it comes down to the level of inaccuracy. Being off 1PL is a lot more than being off 5p.

>>53699994
>pretty sure bane blades have a rule that just let them shoot if there are enemies within 1"

You're right, so that's even better than my initial cursory glance!

>>53699997
>so it has 3 attacks basically

In addition to 4D6 auto-hitting Strength 5 AP -1 attacks as well as from its Baneblade Cannon and Demolisher Cannon. I think it's pretty fearsome, the adamantium tracks are just gravy imo

>>53699981
>go read X!
Not an argument faggot.

>>53700007
No.
Email only and don't ask for the email.
Thats rule one of counterfeint-club

>>53699923
Oh I don't use any of it anymore, but there were some handy pointers in there for when I was getting a new army etc

>>53699451
are Taurox Prime better than Hellhound and variants?

>>53700019
The current rules for 8e allow you to take sorcerers and rubric marines in a World Eaters army

>>53700025
it doesn't matter though 100 power level =/= 100 power level even in the same index

2000 Points =/= 2000 Points either

There always will be inbalanced shit in tabletop games

Instead of fighting over which imaginary points are better try painting some models

>>53700049
to be fair wasn't Ahriman in a world eaters war band for a while?

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>/40kg/ is just shitposting, memes, and b8
>dakkadakka is just as autistic but they're not being ironic or self-aware about it
>/r/warhammer40k is pic related
is there nowhere I can have a genuine conversation about this fucking game?

How viable is this list for a fairly cut throat local meta?
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Are Lychguard still shit?

Do they have any use at all?

>>53700039
Excellently deduced, it's not a argument, nor was intended as such, it's an instruction

>>53700073
nobody is playing 7th edition anymore

nice fire angels though

>>53700069
What do you want to talk about?

>>53700080
Think they still got 3+ invul saves. And necrons always come back and the lord can allocate his wounds on them.

So very tough bodyguards.

>>53700092
Then fuck you cunt. Don't ever tell me what to do unless you want to get destroyed.

>>53700049
Don't world eaters have to have mark of khorne?

>>53700050
>it doesn't matter if things are off 0,5% instead of 5%
Maybe drink your paint water too next time. Swallow some greenstuff or something.

>>53700069
at your LGS with your friends
you do have those right anon?

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>>53700013
>he missed it again
That reading comprehension problem is a bitch ain't it?

>>53700126
They got dropped to a 4++.

>>53700069
My god that post is cancer. Every now and then I need a reminder of why I don't go to reddit.

>>53700128
Yes, but that also means you can't use noise marines.

>>53700073
You can't link them.
They just turn up blank.

So are we back to the days of having to do all but one of every model in a units wounds before we can kill one?

>>53699754

Better question
FW models, which will be broken and which will be garbage?

>>53700049

So they're pulling a Crull from Winter Assault?

>>53700172
No

>>53700172
did you even read the rules?

>>53700172
No, you have to allocate to wounded models first.

>>53700080
better than last edition and also melee is better/10
played a couple games with them, not bad, like all necrons they do better in larger units

>>53700069
>>53700158

Reminds me of someone that writes fan fiction and unironically has ponies all over everything

>>53700183
Nope, I hate reading shitty scans >>53700184
Cool

>>53700154
Still, lychguard are probably the hardest units to kill in the game thanks to their return rollls.

>>53700069
I dont see you adding anything to the thread anon... Is there something you want to talk about?

>>53699987

I'm disappointed that you've been memed this hard but I'm also disappointed that you've failed to recognize the iconography, thematic, and aesthetic references to Jewish culture present in the Adeptus Mechanicus.

>>53700069
careful, theres so many people here from plebbit you get shat on for insulting it these days
but seriously that post, thats like the straw man of what these kinds of 40k players are

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>>53700163
>>53700102
Oops, retrying

>>53700205
It's only fun when the ponies see that they have no chance of surviving before they are slaughtered by marines or Orks.

>>53700230
>jews= beep boops
im legit curious, i know little about the traditional culture of our reptilian overlords so i never picked up about their relation to the admec

>>53700217
Sure, but you have to invest in them pretty heavily as a squad of five isn't impossible to kill and they're not cheap.

>>53700175

Alright, thinking about it.
Broken, the new stuff that FW wants to push. Stuff ported over from 30k
Garbage, whatever they don't sell anymore cause who cares about stuff you cant sell

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Who's going to join my protest at BAO in Julay?
Power levels are just as good and balanced as points and deserve to be useable in tournament play!
What's a few hundred points worth of upgrades here or there, it's just a game right?
Look for me outside waving a sign with this funny mem e posted on it lolz!

>>53700248
Not even then.
Playing hostage with barbie dolls is still playing with barbies, and edgy ponyfics are still ponyfics.

So are different marines still going to have their own codex like Blood Angels and Space Wolves etc or is it all being merged into a big Marines codex?

The Imperium Index 1 makes it seem like their would be only one Marines codex.

>>53700312
#ASK GW

>>53700300
who in the thread is this supposed to be targeting?
at least (you) them and don't be a coward
>t. someone who thinks PL has no place in competitive play

>>53700041
>No.
>Email only and don't ask for the email.
>Thats rule one of counterfeint-club

Nvm, found them thanks to leddit of all places. If it's that easy I'm kind of worried it's gonna get shut down lel

>>53700308
Is that like the fluffy threads people post on /b/?

>>53699134
I feel like "casting smite/offensive magic into combat" should not be allowed

>>53700364
Only shit when every squad can use it.

I think cheetah poster might be retarded.

>>53700393
No more than the ones continually feeding it attention.

>>53699985
This HAS to be one of those ideas that sound great on paper, but fall on its face if actually put into practice.

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>>53699016
>only ~16.6% more accurate in combat than a fucking Guardsman.
learning curve in a nutshell