outsider

>>53688309
you missed the thread by a couple of days famalam

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>>53688377
There is never not the time for an outsiders thread though

>>53688309
>dem jpeg artifacts

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>>53688435
best waifu

>>53688463
>bad reputation
You sure, anon? Sounds like she is a dirty girl

How many more until we've had more in this current burst than in the previous year?

>>53688490
Last year was 2 pages, so we are well past that.

>>53688532

Jesus, just two? God dammit Outsider, every time I underestimate how glacial you are I find out that you can be even slower.

>>53688463
why was she facepalming tho

>>53688552
maybe just tired

>>53688552

this
>>53688719


learn2human, grishnak

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>>53688480
Note that "Bad Reputation" is part of the overall Loroi package

>>53688463
>>53688941
>Early maturation
>age 9
>Age:14
[That sweating man .jpg I never bothered to download.]

>>53689099
Whisper it with me:
Legal Loli

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>>53689099
she's got a ~4 year old daughter

>>53688463
>>53688941
Did anyone bother to update them to 4e?

>>53689675
i n'o

>>53688309

>Loroi vs Umiak battle
>Jardin sees the size of the fleets
>Each one bigger than entire Earth fleet
>This is just a small skirmish battle
>Jardin is sweating over this
>Knows both sides don't accept neutral aliens

>This comic
>Straight up tells the Loroi where Earth is

WTF

>>53689158
How many kids has Tempo had, if she's 54?

Also,
>>53689099
>>53689155
If my autism is correct, Loroi can only enter active duty after they popped out a kid. Not only is she a legal loli, but she's a legal loli MILF.

>>53689931
>How many kids has Tempo had, if she's 54?
We can only be sure of 1.
The rest depends on how in favor she is with her superiors.

>>53689919
Yeah I can't get over that stupidity either.

>>53689919
He is basically Roger Wilco of this story.

>>53689919
>>53689962
I can only assume he's eager for the Loroi to make diplomatic contact ASAP, before his colleagues in the other scout ships tie Humaniti to the Umiak

Earth is already receiving Umiak defecting refugees so he's hopefully gathered Earth won't remain undiscovered for long

>>53689919
1. Getting a delegate into human territory was kinda the point of the mission.

2. His finger, on that map, is hundreds of thousands of light-years wide. He may as well have told the Loroi that humans were to 'the north'.

>>53688309
>Area not well surveyed
>No one goes there
Suddenly Veil of Madness?

>>53690074
>hundreds of thousands of light-years wide

No it ain't.
The story takes place within the galaxy.

>>53690074
Properly greeting the Loroi at the frontier and showing them the location of your main (and vital) planet are two different things.

Around here + radio emissions + SI units = it's now piss easy for the Loroi to find Earth

>>53690074
>His finger, on that map, is hundreds of thousands of light-years wide

The milky way galaxy is only 100,000 light years wide. If his finger was that big on the map, the whole galaxy would be a dot.

His finger covers a five or six light years at best, individual stars are still visible.

>>53689675
Can't due to [redacted] stuff on the cheats and if arioch were to do so people could do the math and slim done the list of thibgs he's hiding

>>53689919
>loroi still think he is an uniak trap
>uncomfortable due to not reading the slightest bit of his mind
>Has seen the umiak
>Knows neutral is unacceptable

Being honest in front of the people with perfect memory and lettibg them see that you are well intentioned is a pretty good call

>>53690498
Alternatively he just told a load of warmongers where homebase is.

>>53690595
The point is home base is next to the front line.
Someone was going to stumble on it sooner or later and they would conscript you.
This is about doing it on your own terms and maximize what little negotiation room you have.
The analysis was done before the story even started and hiding was not an option.

>>53688309
>Giving Earth cordinates to genocidial aliens.
Gee, what could go wrong.

>>53690721
>tell them where earth is as sign of trust
>open negotiations
>negotiations go bad
>They head straight to earth and nuke it.
Paranoia is a virtue when dealing with heavily armed people you know nothing about. Hedge your bets and so forth.

>>53690595
It's not like they couldn't find us if they didn't actually want to. With first contact established they now actually habe a reason to check that blob of non telepathy out

>muh radio signals
Yeah, none of you have any idea how big space is

Jardin believes that siding with the Loroi is the best option in this war so he's trying to make nice with them. You ask me the best option would be just to stay on earth and hope neither side stumbles on us. I dunno where this comic is going but I don't really see how this is going to end well for humanity without some plot device.

>>53690826
I don't know anon, why don't you tell us?

>>53690826
pick your side is the theme anon. You either get the Umak or the Loreli, hiding out means the victor eventually comes along and fucks you into submission or worse, you are found by a loosing side and used as cannon fodder.

>>53691245
>I dunno where this comic is going

Author's confirmed that the war will spill over into Humaniti space within two years regardless

Jardin doesn't know this though so it's still weird.

>>53690990
They're not searching through the whole galaxy, dipshit.

They know earth rough position thanks to Mr. Fingers (so they only have a narrow cylinder ~1000ly long to explore). They just have to hop in a few times before detecting a signal.

And that's if they don't have Earth in their databases, since our hero gave them Earth's orbital period.

Ps: You could have made a point if you had used attenuation of radio signals, but instead you chose to use fedora-tier "huhu, space is big". I have no words for how much of a smug plebeian you are.

>>53691294
There's a middle ground between hiding out and giving them a complete map of all your settlements.
How hard was it for him to say "Ho, here's Aldebaraan, there's a fleet base here, it will be adequate to recieve a delegation."

And he was not retarded at the beginning, since he refused to spill everything while he was tied. I blame space elf pheromones.

>>53691282
I would have given them the nearest star at best, to make contact. Giving Terra? No way man, it would be a big bargain chip than he squanders, what more can he gives now?

>I blame space elf pheromones.

This. Jardin just wants to go down in history for starting the interstellar elf orgy.

Let's try to imagine a scene of a foreign diplomat walking into the US State Department in Washington.

State Department Official: Can I help you?
Diplomat: Yes, I'm here to establish diplomatic relations on behalf of my country, Zooland.
State Department Official: Zooland? We have no listing for that nation. Where is it located?
Diplomat: I'm afraid I can't tell you that.
State Department Official: Sorry? What?
Diplomat: We don't trust you yet, so I'm afraid I can't tell you where our country is located.
State Department Official: ...How are we supposed to establish formal diplomatic relations if you won't even tell us where your country is located?
Diplomat: Here is the location of a van waiting on the edge of town. If you go there, they will blindfold you and take you to our country. Then you can speak to our leadership.
State Department Official: I'm going to stop talking to you now.

>>53691245
>>53691327
Jardin knows too, he discusses it with some officer earlier in the comic, they know the conflict keeps moving and any species contacted has to either join the Loroi or the Umak.

>>53691928
to be fair he did not hear or see the umiak side of story.

on the other hand what he saw of the loroi coalition could give impression that they are fairly relatable - considering how they seem to treat the other species as more or less equals.

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So, can anyone recommend any blue space elf porn? Doesn't ahve to strictly be outsider
Asking for a friend

>>53691963
He would have gotten at least a partial Umiak viewpoint from the Orgus, which is why he shat his pants when he realized he'd been captured by the Loroi.

>>53691831
Poor analogy. Zooland may vanish, but humanity remains. If Earth is gone, so is the species (basically).

That said, I don't find Jardin's actions inconsistent with the setting/genre/situation.

>>53692352
That was an Arioch quote

>>53692352
Yeah, but not everyone thinks in terms of space, some draw the line at ethnicity or even jsut another organic being

>>53692245
go to your favourite smut site

search Space Battleship Yamato 2199 or "Melda Ditz/Dietz"

>>53692397
*race, not space
damn autocorrect

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>>53692413
Thanks anon, i'll uh, go tell that to my friend

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>>53692413
The space elves in Yamato are albino tho

Only powerful telepaths can hide themselves.
inb4 turns out humanity was telepathy master race all along
And when the soia came they just unlocked and weakend that skill for stability in loroi

>>53691496

Why are people still hung up about this? Earth controlled space is small enough that taking them to one of the outposts is virtually the same as telling them where Earth is.

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>>53692524
It has albino elves and blue women

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>>53692663
Anon specifically asked for blue elves

So anons, according to Insider: Humanity:


He's talking about GURPS tech levels there. And, according to GURPS: Biotech, at TL 9, this is one of the things that your cosmetic surgeons are capable of:
>This gives someone nonhuman features, ranging from pointed “elf” ears to an animal-like face or head. Minor cosmetic xeno-features include such modifications as elf- or cat-like ears, tiny horns (too small to do damage), a forked tongue, or a birdlike crest – that is,
any features that don’t require bone or nervous system alterations.

So, how long after First Contact would it take for Earth's cosmetic surgeons to start offering Loroi bodymods?

>>53693050
Derp. Forgot to copy this from Insider: Humanity:

>Tech-wise, the major combatants are about three generations ahead of the Terrans; Humanity is in the later stages of TL9, while the Loroi and Umiak are in the very early stages of TL11.

>>53693050
>>53693078
Do you happen to play Infinity?
Guess how i can tell

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>>53693140
Alien bodymods have been in other scifi too ya dingus

>>53692585
People want to feel superior to the retards who think otherwise, that's why.

>>53690854
Yeah, this. Trust is god and all. But dropping info left and right makes you look as an imbecile instead of a potential ally.

Give them rendezvous point. Allow people who can make actual promises to talk to Loroi, allow scientist to exchange info and for both civilisations to assess each other. And so on.

Of course Loroi could easily find Earth if they spend enough resources on it. But it doesn't matter. Because as a general rule you don't drop the location of your homeworld without a lot of paperwork done beforehand. Even if aliens already know where it is.

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>>53693140
Pretty sure GURPS: Biotech predates Infinity, actually.
>>53693167
Heh. I think the intention tended to be a bit different, though...

>>53691438
Yeah, Earth orbital period and other planetary data that he gave is actually much worse than radio signals.

For radio signal you need to send ships that must try to land within around 150 LY of Earth to have a chance to catch them. Within a blob of around 2k x 1k LY in size.

Planetary data allows to just check the astronomical records and get the answer within a couple of hours.

Actualyl, it looks like his is showing roguhly at a region and not directly physically touching/point at the map
So really he only revealed that the human space is somewehere in the region they ahven't explored yet
huzzah
Nothing about 100% locaiton of earth

>>53689945
Quite well. She is the political officer tasked with keeping an eye on The Stormwitch. Stillstorm is an outspoken enemy of the Empress. That that is even something the Loroi leadership takes into account tells you just how succesful Stillstorm is as a commander.

>>53693676
He's literally tracing the jump route his ship took and entering it into their computer, it's not like he's pointing vaguely at a paper map.

>>53688309

For a second, my eyes popped out of my head, but then I realized this was a repeat thread.

>>53693729

I know, if he had that pace of updates, he'd post the rest of this chapter faster than the previous decade.

>>53689919
>>53689962

His mission was essentially to surrender to them immediately,

>>53693729
Kinda.
The last thread was a Patreon supporter circulating the early page.

>>53693852

I for one welcome our petite blue elf overlords

>>53693317
Not to mention plaything bodymod in CP2020

>>53693925

I'm just trying to spread the joy of blue elf titties.

>>53693317
PULVEEEEEEER.
>Writes a Terminator inspired setting about supersmart rival AIs enslaving/killing off mankind using a shitload of robots.
>Loads of thought put into it.
>One of the AIs somehow creates catgirls.

>>53694071
>One of the AIs somehow creates catgirls.
Was it, dare I say it, /ourguy/?

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>>53694249
>Common disadvantage: lecherousness. (On a failed roll, you *must* find a guy/girl to fuck)
>Appearance (Attractive)
IIRC he also made one template of a cat girl that had the "erotic arts" skill, can't remember which books though.

>>53693702
The jump route goes back to their supply rendezvous, not to Earth. Which is literally uncharted in their maps.

In locating our neighborhood, he references Aldebaran, which is 65 light-years from Sol. In a sphere of our local space with a 65 LY radius, there are about 4600 stars. 'Cause space is big.

>>53695310
Stop it.
>>53691438

>>53689931
[SWEATING]

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I'm going to leave this here...

>>53695884

Are Historians the bad guys or is it the Antarans who haven't shown up yet?

>>53691438
>>53691496
i think its noteworthy that the human firepower and technology is insignificant compared to either side of the conflict.
And even if you in the situation would have done
something different doesnt mean you have the solution and his decisions were bad or wrong.

>>53695982
Word of god says Historians "helped" both sides. So, maybe ?

>>53693285

He IS someone who can make promises. As the current highest ranking officer of his mission, by right of being the only one left alive, there is NOTHING humanity owns that he is not legally empowered to bargain away.

Such is the desperate nature of the mission they set out on. Their goal is to find an ally in this war by any means neccessary, because Earth is already doomed if they do nothing.

But where are their beards?

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>>53688941

>>53696959
Welcome to 2003.

>>53697011
I miss those days.

>>53697350
Me too. Wanna ERP about us being 15 still?

>>53697546
I would but my dick doesn't work without pills anymore and my prescription doesn't renew for another two weeks.

>>53698566

I keep forgetting due to the low page count that a person could have had a kid and they would be nearly ready for a driver's license by now.

>>53698751

I found this comic in high school. I have friends from high school who now have teenager kids.

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>>53698751
Wew lad. I really do feel old now.

Is this the space elf fetishist comic I keep hearing about?

>>53699132
No, that's Drow Tales

>>53697011

Yep, I miss being freshman year high school too.

>>53699132
It's one of them. We're kinda fond of these, you understand.

>>53698566
That sucks. Have you tried tranny hookers?

>>53699056
I started reading when they were still in his cell.

>>53699157
We were born maybe only 50 years too early for eternal youth.

>>53699299
Fortunately, we were born at about the right time for eternal life, and we'll eventually get treatments to have youth restored. If you're rich.

>>53699349

Either the planet will be dead by then or we'll be post-scarcity.

>>53700253
Earth will be dead, but humanity will be just on the edge of transforming the rest of the solar system.

Well shit, I just read everything. It took me 45 minutes. I thought there would be more.

What the fuck do I do now?

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>>53700461

Settle in for a long wait.

>>53700461

Hi, welcome to the hell that is being an Outsider fan

the chances of us making first contact with blue space elves was higher than the comic being finished in our life time. The sudden burst of 6 pages in less than two months...
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a809a3bf-1e3a-4ea6-8e61-e70abb3fc84e

>>53689155
Other way around. She's an illegal MILF.

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>>53693317
>sarariman

Also, that shit reads like incest porn captions. Who calls their siblings "sis" instead of using names?

Is there a source of background information on all this?

>>53704502
the comic's website has a section called "Insider" which contains ten years' worth of autistic info dumps

>>53704725
Is this a subtle harem comic? Cause the loroi biology seems rigged to set up a harem for the human.

>>53704791
I think it started that way but the author lost interest in that dynamic as he grew older, so he's moved it more towards being a straight space opera. He knows that unresolved sexual tension is a good draw in any story though, so he keeps shades of the original harem dynamic around for that reason.

>>53696102
Not really insignificant. Arioch has said several times that "nukes are still nukes, and kinetic energy is still kinetic energy."

All of humanity's ship weapons are almost laughably short ranged to Loroi and Umiak weaponry, but they still pack a very respectable punch. If a Victory class (somehow) got the drop on an Umiak superheavy in railgun range, it'd gut the bug ship in short order.

The problem is somehow getting that close.

Or, as Insider puts it:

>
Numbers-wise, there are about as many ships in the Tempest's squadron (28) as in the whole Terran fleet. You can compare classes and sizes of Loroi and Terran ships here and here, respectively.

Tech-wise, the major combatants are about three generations ahead of the Terrans; Humanity is in the later stages of TL9, while the Loroi and Umiak are in the very early stages of TL11. Terran vessels have no defensive screens, and are limited to about 6G acceleration. Loroi and Umiak ships can typically sustain 26G acceleration, and their beams weapons do a lot more damage at much greater ranges than Terran lasers (although the Loroi do still use lasers for point-defense weapons, and are considered quaint for still using them). The Loroi were using weapons and systems similar to what the Terrans have now in the war with the Delrias that formed their empire some nine hundred years ago. Terran weapons are capable of damaging Loroi vessels, but only at very close range.

>>53704791
>>53704989
I see it more as a bunch of readers fantasizing about the possibility of a harem while Arioch just writing a straight first contact scenario.

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>>53707632
with ship crewed entirely by cute blue elf girls

Yes, it is unironically straight as a razor and I love it for it.

>>53700461
After reading the comic go trhough the insider as well as forum.

>>53704791
Not anymore, reading through his latest forum posts makes it clear that they are not that into humans

>>53688309

Can someone tell me what traditional game this is?
This seems like a mediocre comic without any direct relation to any traditional game, and the only reason it is being posted here is because of some offtopic spammer hoping to use earlier offtopic spam as an excuse to pretend this belongs on /tg/.

If there's something other than a grandfather clause and a group of people who should be redirected to /co/, I'd like to know what it is.

>>53708009

Grups and all the world building has been the reasoning in the past.

>>53708009
Well aren't you a barrel of laughs.

I miss the /tg/ prior to comrade janitor, sure there was spam all over the place, but there was less of this passive aggressive bullshit. Or perhaps that's nostalgia speaking.

Put bluntly, it's /tg/ related due to space opera and gurps.

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>>53708009

>>53708080
That's still firmly in the "It's easier to justify My Little Pony being on /tg/ than this" realm of reasoning.

Basically, that's the kind of reasoning that can be applied to basically anything, making it not only meaningless, but transparent in that it's only used to try and justify keeping an offtopic thread on the wrong board.

Stuff like posting a few half-assed character sheets really doesn't do much when the majority of the discussion has absolutely nothing to do with traditional games. It seems like this thread belongs in /co/, unless there's some better justification?

>>53708092
The introduction of strict moderation in /tg/ was one of the best things to happen to the board.

>>53708092
If you want to discuss /co/, go to /co/. Because, it's fairly obvious that this thread is mostly to try and advertise this comic, and that's against not only the rules, but the spirit of the lowest level of common decency you should at least expect from other people on this site.

>>53708106
This is a better justification, except that no one seems to be discussing this. /tg/ is supposed to be for discussing traditional games, and if you are more interested in discussing solely the comic and ignoring the traditional game, I'm sorry, but I can't really say that this thread is anything other than a cyst-like fandom that is better off taking their off-topic discussion onto the proper board.

Is there anything to make me see otherwise?

>>53708108

I'm just telling you why it's been posted here since I've been lurking here. i didn't start the thread. If your such a fan of heavy moderation, maybe you should talk to them instead of complaining here.

>>53708137
Do you complain when people post D&D comics here too?

>>53708137
>This is a better justification,
We don't need to justify anything to a pleb mother fucker like you.

>>53708009
Why does it matter if you approve of something or not?

>>53708137
And yet, this thread remains here and has not been forced to /co/. I guess the majority of /tg/ don't care, and the minority that think outsider belongs here outnumber the minority that think it doesn't. Whatever will you do.

>>53708190

Shit, I've only seen it talked about in /co/ once in all the updates I've seen in the past.

>>53708149
That has something directly related to a traditional game.

>>53708151
>>53708163
>>53708190
Got it. If you are at the point where you are just openly saying "We're offtopic spammers, what are you going to do about it?", I guess I'm going to have to make more people aware of that and to help convince people that you are better off in /co/. Since you seem to have no arguments against that, that makes my role in this somewhat easier.

Maybe the shortest and quickest way of handling this whole affair is just recognizing for yourselves that this is a just a misplaced /co/ thread?

>>53708190
It's largely about setting precedents, and how you think this comic is somehow special.

Imagine if everyone thought like you did, and just posted their offtopic threads here, with a thin veneer of "You could use GURPS to play with it." We wouldn't have a /tg/, just a second /b/. Or third, or fourth, or whatever number of other "shitty board without rules" we're up to at this point.

If you don't like the rules, like the rules that say to keep threads tied to a certain topic to certain boards, then you have all those shitty other boards to spam upon.

>>53708108
>Stuff like posting a few half-assed character sheets really doesn't do much

thing is the sheets are canon as in made by the author.

>>53708341
>It's largely about setting precedents, and how you think this comic is somehow special.
Anon, it's been like this for fucking years, /tg/ has always had a fuckload of offtopic shit that stayed up on the flimsiest of justifications. It's unfortunately not going to change any time soon.

>>53708354
>>53708357

Don't feed the troll

>>53708321
Such fierce autism.

Here's the bottom line.
We've had threads like these before, and it's always been fine.
We have this thread right now, and it's fine.
We will presumably have future threads, and they will be fine.
That is all.

No amount of whining from you is going to change that, because your opinions on what is appropriate has no bearing on the actual rules or their enforcement.

I'd wish you goodbye, but I know you won't be able to keep yourself from responding. So give me some nice (You)s, you sad fuck.

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>>53708397
>We've had threads like these before, and it's always been fine.

Been fine for the past 7 years.

>>53708397


It's like those jackass on /k/ who bitch and moan every time there is a thread on games, movies, or any other media.

>>53708447
maybe it's some bitter quest player out for revenge

>>53708478
Given the modus operandi, it's probably an antiquestfag, to be honest.
I mean, this IS sort of what they're famous for.

>>53708528
fair enough, in either case it's sad to see people lash out and kick at others' heels for no real benefit to anyone

>>53708397
Your "bottom line" was my opening statement. You post here, relying on a grandfather clause to excuse your rulebreaking, and are hoping to set a precedent where anything can be /tg/ if enough people just disregard the rules and the janitors fail to remove them in time.

That's appalling.

This isn't about opinions. I have no feelings for or against this comic, only the recognition that it is being offtopic spammed on this board. You're upset about someone calling you guys out? Don't be upset, be right, and right now, you are in the clear wrong because this is very clearly an offtopic spam thread that you really haven't gone to any real trouble to hide.

You may have grown relaxed because you thought you had already secured a place for your offtopic comic here, but that's exactly why we need to not allow you guys to sink your needles into this board in the first place.

>>53708560
Well, that's what they seem to do.
Though it's not quite fair to call them antiquestfags, as they do it for many things, not just quests.

>>53708575
I think it's just idiots who ignore the Commander Keen Rule and are thus a bunch of furfags.

>>53708560
You're an offtopic spammer. You feel like you deserve special privileges, or that there's no harm in just allowing you and your fandom to have special offtopic-posting privileges.

This is a reminder that most offtopic spammers feel that way, and if enough people adopt your way of thinking, the board ends up collapsing.

Traditional Game are still a fairly niche hobby. /tg/ has less posters than some of the larger fandoms, and if it came down to it being a game of numbers, the people who come here to discuss traditional games would be vastly outnumbered in a ruleless site. That's why the boards are split up as they are, why people are expected to follow the rules, and why people like yourself should be scorned for trying to turn a traditional games board into your personal whatever-I-want board.

>>53708137
>If you want to discuss /co/, go to /co/. Because, it's fairly obvious that this thread is mostly to try and advertise this comic

Anon, people have been discussing Outsider on /tg/ since before you were legal.

It doesn't need advertising here, anyone that isn't a summerfag or just mind-bogglingly unobservant already knows it.

>>53708625
It's a shame we're getting more of them as time passes on.

>>53708625
The Keen rule is unofficial bullshit made by offtopic spammers. It holds zero weight. And worse, it actually goes against not only the official rules, but the spirit and intentions of them.

>>53708651
>The Keen rule is unofficial bullshit made by offtopic spammers.

Yep, a perpetually asshurt antiquester still searching for things to attack.

Don't you have an elf hate thread to be posting in?

>>53708651
Whatever furfag.
Go yiff in hell.

>>53708635

Just leave him alone, you're pissing in a sea of piss. The only plus side is he is bumping the thread. Just talk around him until he fucks off.

>>53708635
Grandfather clauses don't really mean anything.

What's next? Going to go and make a Thulsa Doom thread, and argue that we had them in the past? It sounds like you'd enjoy a three day break from here.

>>53708668
Why are you trying to claim it's questfags when he is using all the tactics of the standard antiquestfag/board police fag?

>>53688309
>Wtf another page? when can i start buying avian bacon in grocery stores.
>that is 6 in the last month and a half. compared to 2 in the entirety of 2016
Lad, we're rapidly approaching the end of days. This just happens to be one of the lesser known signs.

>>53708625
http://www.4chan.org/rules
I can't find it.

>>53708668
>>53708670

If you can't argue directly, don't argue at all.

>>53708625
>Commander Keen Rule
As ashamed as I am to ask this. what is this rule exactly? Can't say I've heard the term before lurking here.

>>53708651
Are you mad that space operas are accepted topics of discussion on a board dedicated in part to fantasy settings?

>>53708678
>tactics

You mean acknowledging the actual rules, calling you out on breaking them, and explaining why those rules are important?
How dastardly.

Guys, just ignore him, he's just a powerless moron who has forgotten the face of his father.

>>53708106
Has anyone tried this system out? I'm always looking for something for simulating spess combat, since nothing seems to quite hit the mark. Outsider's view on space fightan seems pretty close to mine though.

And lo, does the thread descend into autistic screeching.

Back on topic, I honestly wonder how the lorelei will react when they work out just how low on the totem pole he actually is

>>53708703
Not at all. But, the Space Operas centered around traditional game discussion is very far removed from people advertising a comic and throwing a few bits of lipservice in to keep the janitors from outright deleting their offtopic is what we're discussing at the moment.

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>>53708703

>>53708742
It's funny, because to you, ontopic means to go offtopic.

This is a traditional games board, remember?

>>53708703
>Commander Keen Rule
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Commander+Keen+Rule

>>53708672
>Grandfather clauses don't really mean anything.

That wasn't a grandfather clause.

The guy was just pointing out that the comic is thoroughly known on /tg/, therefore is not being advertised. It's had threads here since forever, there's no real advertising benefit to gain from being posted on the board. There's very few people who haven't seen or heard of it left to advertise to.

At least get your terms straight dude.

>>53708753
So you're not even respecting your own made up rules? It talks about video games, not comics.

How the fuck do you manage to not know what master of orion is?

>>53708742
>lorelei
Loroi

Pretty sure he told them.
The whole Captain thing is a ploy by Tempo to keep him alive for long enough to make his case.

In the effort to get the thread away from the current stupidity, what major changes could occur to the general look of the Humanity Combat fleet once we receive the knowledge and maybe some resources alongside with combat vessel production going into over drive?

>>53708753
>why i should be allowed to spam whatever i want

There's a reason that's not an actual rule. Because, if enough people followed your principle, we'd be left with just another random spam board.

I dunno, I only see one off-topic spammer here.

>>53708758
>thoroughly

There's people in this very thread asking what it is. And, don't act like Coca Cola doesn't advertise anymore.

>>53708742
I get the impression that Tempo at least suspects he's of pretty low rank.

Personally if I was them and I discovered what 'Enzin' actually means, I'd be pretty amazed at how ridiculously over-educated the Earth fleet's low ranking officers seem to be.

>>53708769
I think you have to be underage. That is the only explanation I can think of for why someone on 4chan would not know about master of orion.

>>53708758
If you're saying "I should get to break the rules because people in the past broke them", that's a very weak argument.

>>53708769
Elerians look more... serious in the new one.

I still like them though because they honour their deals.

>>53708778
>Pretty sure he told them.

He's told them his rank is ensign, but there's no exact Loroi equivalent so he said it English. They have no idea what an ensign is. At least one Loroi has mistaken his rank for his first name.

>>53708820
Wow, are you just not reading these posts?

Neither of them said anything about the rules, or whether this should be on the board. Just that the comic likely isn't here for advertising purposes.

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>>53708753
Thank you
>>53708756
In my defense I use startpage and I only got links to the game on my search. Adding 4chan didn't alter it either.

>>53708743
>removed from people advertising a comic
But nobody is advertising a comic? This is what you are not getting. And if you had been around you would know that prior to this month Outsider updated in increments of "1 page every quarter if lucky" so whenever a page would get dropped it brings out all the posters who correlate any information that was brought up in the forums on the Outsider website as well as older discussions related to various aspects of the space culture and such.

Not to mention the occasional people who need clarification on what certain traits/Advantages/Disadvantages mean in GURPS terms since the Author has statted out every character in the system. All of which is good for /tg/ and good for discussion.

You really are just pissing in the wind here.

>>53708796
It's meta-discussion, actually.

Since ownership passed from moot, Hiroyuki has said to be a little more relaxed about metadiscussion. Metathreads are still a little bit touchy, but directly addressing a problem isn't something to shy away from, and this is a very clear issue, especially since the offenders are brazenly admitting this is not only offtopic spam, but that they should be allowed to continue based on fake rules and preceding rule violations.

>>53708781
Well, I assume it'd get bigger.

Really though, the big thing that humanity needs is defensive screens and acceleration. Human ships have no shields as of yet and are insanely slow.

Upgrading to longer ranged particle weapons would be big, too, but right now the largest problem a human fleet would face is that it can be outmaneuvered by even the relatively ponderous Umiak ships.

That said, I get the impression that mankind won't be contributing ships of their own, but technical advances and engineering resources for the Loroi fleet.

>>53708860
Advertising a page of a webcomic being released is still advertising, just like Coca-cola still advertises new products.

More importantly, whatever your goals are, you are not here to discuss traditional games, and that is the issue. There being a distant potential or opportunity to discuss traditional games is not enough to justify people coming here and making offtopic threads in order to hold offtopic conversations with a side piece of advertising their offtopic fandom.

>>53708883
If something is a clear violation, how come the rules haven't been enforced for the better part of a decade?
Furthermore, how is the rampant batching you mistakenly lable "meta-discussion" going to ensure that the rules are actually enforced?

>>53708939
Does it matter what previous janitors and moderators did wrong? Considering their past behavior has lead you to become so relaxed that you are not even really trying to connect this comic with traditional games anymore, you're actually arguing that the mods should be much more strict than they were in the past, in order to prevent people from believing themselves to be as entitled as you seem to think you are.

>>53708926

That's what I figured and what Word of God has said. I was more talking about hull design and trying to get a coversation going about Outsider before the thread hits limit, which is what I'm certain is the actual goal of our interloper since if he cared so much about rule enforcement, he'd just report and not bicker all this time.

>>53708933
>Advertising
But it's not? You keep ignoring the fact that this isn't an advertising campaign because the content is already known and accepted on /tg/. If someone new gets interested in the series while browsing here that's fine, but a side effect of discussion on the comic.

>you are not here to discuss traditional games
You're the only one who isn't discussing traditional games here though? Or anything of value for that matter. You literally showed up complaining about people trying to find an excuse to pretend to belong to /tg/ and you acting like an arbiter for rules is exactly that.

>>53708926
>but technical advances and engineering resources for the Loroi fleet.
This seems like the most likely scenario. From what I remember about the supplementary matierials, Loroi do not have a strong engineering field and have been over reliant on precursor technology. It also seems unlikely that humans would be able to manufacture enough ships to match other established fleets quickly enough to make them a force to be reckoned with. So additions to current ships, and a strong alliance built on the exchange of intel/ technology/ and manpower would be the best shot for us.

>>53708997
>You're the only one who isn't discussing traditional games here though?
m8, talking about a comic isn't talking about traditional games, no matter how you look at it.

>>53708939
What part of this isn't clear argumentation? The parts you don't like because you already know you are just blatantly trampling the rules, but feel like you have the go-ahead because you did it in the past?

>>53708986
>I was more talking about hull design

Hopefully they become even more Homeworld-esque.

>>53709013
>talking about a comic isn't talking about traditional games
And yet we can have both in the same thread. Game and story discussions. Do you get mad when people storytime Dungeon meshi or Wizard's Soul as well?

>>53709018

Wouldn't it just be easier for you to report every post in this thread than throw a fit in here with people that, for the most part, will not see it your way? Seems a much better use of your Time.

>>53708997
>But it's not? You keep ignoring the fact that this isn't an advertising campaign because the content is already known and accepted on /tg/

Ignored is not known or accepted. More importantly, it's still rather unknown, as people in this thread have attested to. I'm sorry, but you have a very inflated sense of your fandom.

And, advertising a new page is still advertising, advertising something well known would still be advertising, and not getting paid to do it doesn't stop it from being advertising.

>>53709035

I hope so I love blocky square ship design.

>>53709055
>And, advertising a new page is still advertising, advertising something well known would still be advertising, and not getting paid to do it doesn't stop it from being advertising.
Welp, time to shut down the board guys. Just about everything we post is advertising. Even original content being given away for free is advertising.

>>53709049
Would be, but the mods are ignoring him like the loon he is.

>>53709036
No Anon, you don't understand.
This entire board, and every single thread on it, must appeal to his sensibilities, and his alone.
/tg/ only exists as a place to have discussions sanctioned by some guy who, in his own mind, is the supreme arbiter of rules and morals.

>>53709087
I don't much care, I'm more annoyed by the blatant lies.
Nice projection, though.

>>53709087
He is probably the fagmod from a few years ago who got shitcanned for needlessly starting shit.

>>53709055
>I'm sorry, but you have a very inflated sense of your fandom.
This is a niche webcomic on a niche board with a niche following that usually is lucky to get 3 pages a year in terms of updates. I think I have a better understanding of how small the Outsider fandom than you do seeing as I've been following the comic for half a decade.

>advertising a new page is still advertising
By that logic people are always advertising everything on image boards. I already said that anyone who becomes a new reader as a result of these threads is a side-effect of the people who are here wanting to have a discussion about the new page, setting details, any related rules or systems.

>>53709097
>blatant lies.

>Peacefully discussing space opera setting
>"Y-Youre all just advertising"
>No we're not?
>LIES.
This is how you sound.

>>53709097
You're not allowed to advertise for projectors.

>>53709036
But those have clear and direct connections to traditional games, both being inspired by and inspiring them. Dungeon Meshi is actually more iffy since it blurs what it took from early D&D possibly through the lens of video games, but Wizard's Soul is literally a comic about a traditional game.

Either way, Dungeon Meshi threads should at least TRY to be about traditional games, and not just be a half-hearted excuse to discuss it outside of /a/.

>>53707922
>heavy combat armor

>>53709118
I'm not the one talking about advertising, stop thinking everytime there's a post disagreeing with you it comes from the same person, it's not healthy.

What I find most funny about this situation is the if the troll had left this very well alone this would have been left to sage hours ago, but now we can be sure a new thread will be made just to spite him.

>>53709119

Fuck I laughed at that.

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>>53709125
Well this is the officer uniform.

>>53709118
>By that logic people are always advertising everything on image boards

That's only if you treat it hyperbolically. But, people advertising on this board and others shouldn't come as a shock to you. Some do it more blatantly, some do it more nefariously, but many people have discovered that 4chan has a lot of hungry eyes.

>>53709123
Please stop advertising for those comics. To stay within the rules, you can only refer to products through metaphor.

>>53709172

Hence why every minority viewpoint gets the response of shill.

>>53709172
If there's no commercial gain, why does it matter?

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>>53709132
>I'm not the one talking about advertising,

>>53708137
>If you want to discuss /co/, go to /co/. Because, it's fairly obvious that this thread is mostly to try and advertise this comic
This isn't you then?

>>53709123
>both being inspired by and inspiring them
And Outsider is inspired by the creators GURPS campaigns so there is no problem now right?

>Dungeon Meshi threads should at least TRY to be about traditional games
I mean if one person walks away from that comic with a nice encounter for their group or a new spin on an old monster (like hermit crab Mimics) than I feel like the comic can only benefit this board as well as /a/ for different reasons.

>>53709172
>hungry eyes
Please stop advertising for Dirty Dancing.

>>53709212
>This isn't you then?
No.
I posted >>53709013

>>53709137
That doesn't really solve that you guys are not only blatantly breaking the rules, but being proud of doing so.

If you really think an obvious problem like that disappears just when one person stops pointing it out, you're just setting yourself up for more and more people to recognize that you guys are not only offtopic spammers, but offtopic shitposters as well.

>>53709227
Strange, I replied to a guy who said
>>53708933
>Advertising a page of a webcomic being released is still advertising
and you responded. So you are either the same guy or agree with the notion that this is advertising correct? That is only logical. If not you don't think this series is being posted here for advertising purposes and I apologize for the confusion.

>>53709228
I can't wait for the masses to rise up against those who dare talk about comics on /tg/.
Revolution soon, Comrade.

>>53708009
/tg is not only about traditional games it is also about people that enjoy traditional games and things they find interesting, so there are threads about other things than traditional games itself.

>>53709250
Given that the number of IPs currently posting in the the thread hasn't changed since this started it's either the same guy trying to make it seem like there are more people complaining or some other shitlord trying to further stir shit for giggles.

>>53709281
I know,

>>53709132
To be fair, barring a uniquely identifable writing style, or a trip, it's not like he has any method to tell you apart from Mr. Advertiser.

In short, it's a perfectly valid, healthy assumption to assume that in the case of an anonymous argument, there are as few or as many participants as can be conceived.

>>53709212
>And Outsider is inspired by the creators GURPS campaigns so there is no problem now right?

Really? Why didn't you say so from the start? Just saying "GURPS" doesn't really convey that.

Though, GURPS is really a rather generic (as it's name implies). Is there clear signs that this comic is inspired by those campaigns, or is it a scenario where the games only served a very loose forerunner without any real and direct connection between them and this comic?

Like, is each major character based off of an actual PC, or is this more "original story built on the skeleton of world I used in a game some years back"?

>>53709316
>please spoonfeed me so that I can shitpost further

>>53709250
I don't care about advertising or this guy, I disagree about him being the only one not talking about traditional games in this thread that's clearly about a goddamn webcomic.

>>53709316
>Though, GURPS is really a rather generic (as it's name implies).
Look here kid. I know it has Generic in the title but the system is far from it. "General" would be a better word because it's a framework but I'm going to contain my autism.

>about a goddamn webcomic.
YOu know what's funny. We have Terry Pratchet threads where we just talk about the setting and how fun it is and nobody brings up the canonical Discworld GURPS setting book where you can play it. Interesting settings is /tg/ and I can't understand why this is so hard for people like you to get.

>>53709316
Are you going to draw the line where content is declared being /tg/ acceptable or not first? Or is this just going to be another shifted goalpost?

>>53709408
Second part is for >>53709358

>>53708119
Fuck off.

>>53709411
The "line" is blurred, which is good and something that should be encouraged, but at the same time it should be understood that it is something that some people try to take advantage of.

There's nothing wrong with the occasional "offtopic" thread, or "offtopic" discussion. A keyword there is "occasional", and the most important thing is that offtopic threads are centered primarily around traditional games discussions, and that offtopic discussions that occur in on-topic threads simply occur naturally. In short, to keep the degrees of separation from traditional discussion as small as possible.

People should not be making offtopic threads here just to have offtopic discussions. "Hey guys, this webcomic updated!" is offtopic, and does nothing to generate discussion about traditional games, except EXTREMELY forced and contrived discussion for the sake of appearances. Simply put, it's a discussion that better belongs in /co/.

Is this comic based on a campaign run in a traditional game? That's something in it's favor, but if it's so far removed as to make it largely irrelevant, we're still talking about something that's just doesn't belong here that people are demanding we respect because they spammed it here in the past. That's a pretty bad example to set, and something I hope is not the case, but am growing to fear it is.

>>53707632
Link? I want at least beryl and the human to hook up.

What's with the intense interest in the human form being so similar to the Loroi form? I know it's unusual, but the other alien races seem to think that it's super duper culturally important, and upsets some loroi dogma. Has that been answered in the out of comic stuff?

>>53709735
Relate your post to a traditional game.

>>53709640
>except EXTREMELY forced and contrived discussion for the sake of appearances
Do you enjoy misrepresenting events to try and make yourself seem correct? Does Discworld, Redwall, Bladerunner, etc have to be based on a campaign to be discussed? Do we need rules about which settings /tg/ is allowed to talk about and the works associated with them? Do we need a reason to really resonate with a work of fiction that bears some connection to traditional games either as a product of them, or an inspiration for our own?

You really just sound like the no fun police because nothing about this thread is against the rules since the only rule of /tg/ as far as 4chan is concerned is
>Board games, paper games, war games, card games, etc. go here!
This is just the etc part of that rule. Kindly fuck off.

>>53709735
>Has that been answered in the out of comic stuff?
No but one reason is that the Umiak have used operatives made to look like Loroi in the past as spies and suddenly a guy that is very similar to them appears in their battle.

>>53709761
>No but one reason is that the Umiak have used operatives made to look like Loroi in the past as spies and suddenly a guy that is very similar to them appears in their battle.

Yeah, and that's certainly relevant, but the aliens are definitely interested in the cultural implications. I wonder if the Loroi have some sort of dogma about their form being perfect and exclusive to them, and the human comes along and upsets that.

>muh /tg/ must remain pure or it becomes /b/-lite

No. /tg/'s always had a specific kind of perspective on things and it views every fucking topic through this lens. Any other board isn't as interested in the setting and world-building of any piece of fictional media, for example.

This basically makes this board the best place to talk about shit through that lens, so all the autists obsessing about historical accuracy in game of thrones, or the science of Outsider are the kind of folk you'd find on /tg/, since that's the kind of person who plays ttrpgs.

>>53709780
>>53709761
Actually, now that I think about it, the human form might not be as important as the fact that humans are immune to the mind reading.

>>53709761
By that logic so were quests.

>>53709735
Yeah, the Loroi party line is that they're the descendants of the most recent fallen empire (the Soia).
If they're just another former slave race, then some of their justification for being in high and mighty wears off. It's a relatively minor realistically, but self-image can make people do weird things. There's also the possibility that this could cause issues with the Barsam, who were definitely a slave race, but half of what we know about them comes from the ambassador freaking out over Jardin, so who knows.

>>53709839
Why was Jardin treated so badly on the ship? He was given full diplomatic rights, and then confined to a cell and forcefed. When prompted, tempo only says that his treatment was necessary. Why was his poor treatment necessary?

I think we're all forgetting the two most important rules on /tg/.

Be excellent to one another and party on dudes and dudettes.

>>53709781
>and it views every fucking topic through this lens.

Except, if that were the case, this thread wouldn't be so far removed from any actual game discussion. Basically, this very thread disproves the point you were hoping to make.

>Any other board isn't as interested in the setting and world-building of any piece of fictional media, for example.

Have you just never been to /co/? Is that what this is about? Just you being terrified to discuss a topic in the board it's intended for because you've never been there?

>This basically makes this board the best place to talk about shit through that lens, so all the autists obsessing about historical accuracy in game of thrones, or the science of Outsider are the kind of folk you'd find on /tg/, since that's the kind of person who plays ttrpgs.

There's not "a type of person" who plays /tg/. There's games for people who hate historical accuracy, or who don't care for the "science" of outsider. This is just a board for people to discuss traditional games, the same kind of people you can find all over the rest of this site.

And, if you really think /co/ doesn't have "these kind of people", that might be because you should be there, discussing this comic there rather than here. If your problem is that a board dedicated to a topic you want to discuss isn't tailored to your whims, that your issue, and you can fix that by just posting on that board.

In general, your argument boils down to "Everyone should just make /tg/ into their personal whatever-I-want" board, which is somehow even worse than the mere arrogance of just wanting to turn it into your own personal whatever-I-want board.

>>53709822
>quests
They were but because they actually became the thing you are warning about it was necessary to remove them. Discussions about settings related to books, games, movies, etc. Have been around longer than quest threads and look at the catalog, they aren't dominating the thread count.

>>53709781
This anon gets it.

>>53709866
Militaries don't survive by using kid gloves.
They can't be certain that he isn't hostile.
Even if he weren't hostile, they can't be certain that he isn't dangerous.
Even if he isn't dangerous, they can't be certain that FTL wouldn't be dangerous to him.
There are all kinds of circumstances and conditions that make sequestering a poorly-understood, thus-far unique alien a good decision.

>>53709761
>This is just the etc part of that rule. Kindly fuck off.

That's not what the "etc." is for. That's not even how etceteras work.

It's mean to imply other traditional games not listed, like dice games and parlor games. It's not "Board games, paper games, war games, card games, and webcomics."

It would be like interpreting "Baby food, Baby toys, Baby clothes, etc. go here!" to also mean "Baby food, Baby toys, Baby clothes, and Starving Dingos go here!"

>>53709948
Do you really have to be the thread police here?
By the your lights half the catalog is off-topic.
Go be autistic somewhere else.

>>53709995
>guys

It's a single boy.

>>53709948
True, true. The "etc" is for "content based on tabletop games, characters who are stated out in tabletop games, inspired by tabletop games, and/or have tabletop game supplements."

>>53709995
I take it you find no fault in that decimation of the "etc. means whatever I want" argument then?

>>53710024
That's stretching it as far as saying the things I want brought to a Baby Shower include anything related to babies, including dingoes that eat them.

>>53710057
Not really, because there is no "want" involved. No one said, "shit, I want to talk about this comic on /tg/. How can I justify it?" No, this content, this justification, exists irrespective of the fan base. It exists by will of the original author and is the reason, for example, you don't see people trying to talk about other webcomics here; at least not with any regularity.

>>53709866
>Why was his poor treatment necessary?

Probably for Jardin's protection. There are members of the crew - Stillstorm included - who either believe or want to believe that he's an Umiak-designed infiltrator, because his existence contradicts Loroi national propaganda.

Also, he wasn't force-fed, they just insisted that he eat something. Which he kinda had to do - humans can't survive on nothing and they had to figure out what he could and couldn't digest.

>>53709948
>"Baby food, Baby toys, Baby clothes, and Starving Dingos go here!"
Seems more like "Baby food, Baby toys, Baby clothes and pictures of babies go here!" Outsider has some roots in tabletop games and the author expanded this into a standalone work. Now why would you invite a guy to your shower that brought an album of pictures is beyond me but he wouldn't be out of place.

>>53710094
>for example, you don't see people trying to talk about other webcomics here; at least not with any regularity.

People have tried in recent years to likewise carve out a little niche in order to have a set of past threads to use as justification for future threads. Just because this comic did it years back doesn't change that you guys don't even try to pretend it's not offtopic anymore.

> "shit, I want to talk about this comic on /tg/. How can I justify it?"

They did that in the past, but now they feel secure enough that they don't even bother trying to justify it, because they know they can't and they frankly don't care.

It's all ends up being about levels.

1. It's traditional games. No further need of justification.
2. It's not traditional games, but it has a direct connection to one (A D&D webcomic with explicit D&D references).
3. It's not traditional games, but it has people wanting to make it about traditional games (A dungeon-crawling webcomic that people are creating a system for, with most of the discussion being centered around the system they are building.
4. It's not traditional games, but lipservice is given because they want to discuss it on /tg/ without getting their thread deleted.
5. It's not traditional games, no lispervice is even given, and the discussion is entirely offtopic.

You're basically hovering between four and five.

I apologize to the denizens of /tg/ for not being able to keep these autists contained for longer.
They finally managed to ship off the big thing they were complaining about, and now they're descending on everything else they can justify like locusts.
I wish you all good luck in maintaining that which you hold dear.

>>53710035
The police state days are over.
If you want to bring them back, apply for mod and start shitting on people's fun for real instead of whining.

>>53710195
See that PDF up there? That's it. That's all there needs to be. Forever. That makes it "3". We can talk about it on /tg/ until the heat death of the universe. Not to mention the other stuff, like the characters having stats in GURPS.

>>53710182
Roots in tabletop are good, but the issue is that those roots seem very weak, weak to the point where the traditional games aspect is uninteresting enough for people on /tg/ to not even want to discuss them. And, even if they author has a stand alone work, that's as irrelevant to a discussion that doesn't discuss that as the fact that there is a Trump Board game to try and justify /pol/ posts here.

Is there something else? If this is just a big misunderstanding and you guys are really here with a deep interest in discussing traditional games, by all means, that's all anyone wants to hear, but the people here so far have not been doing a particularly good job at defending this being here, especially with some people resorting to "but we had threads in the past" and "/tg/ has fake rules that let me post whatever I want" and "it's mean to call people out when they've made a mistake" or even just awkward ad hominems and other fallacies.

>>53710275
No, don't even give him the benefit of enforcing his rules here. He's not the judge of what belongs on /tg/ at all. Even without a PDF the board has welcomed discussions about settings or topics that fit within the "Acceptable range of /tg/ content".

>>53710275
It existing but people ignoring it and not discussing it does more against your argument than for it.

Stop trying to justify yourself to the fag and add him to your filter, he keeps spouting the same shit over and over so it's not hard to filter him.

>>53710306
Yeah, sorry. You're right.

>>53710252
I just don't know what drives someone to embarrass themselves for hours on end, just because they're angry about webcomics.
Truly, the mind of an autist is a incomprehensible mystery.

>>53710275
If the PDF was in the OP, and the thread was centered around discussing the game, you might have a semblance of a point. Even if that was all just lipservice so you could then spend the rest of the thread just discussing the comic, you'd at least have had enough shame to say "We recognize this is a traditional games board and we hope to at least present that we understand the rules."

Here, we've just got a webcomic update, with webcomic discussion, and a dust-covered PDF of a game that I actually doubt anyone except a handful of people in this thread have ever played, with next to no actual traditional games discussion.

You're basically about on the level as people saying "Hey, new My Little Pony episode came out!", then discussing My Little Pony, and when called out, pointing out that a MLP TCG exists.

That's not a good level to be at.

Was beryl jealous in 117? Also where are people getting these latest pages?

>>53710381
What with this pony fixation of yours?

>>53710397
He thinks that by forcibly associating them with this thread we will fill some guild by association and fall on ours swords.
Delusions of importance like the rest of his prattle.

>>53710397
It's a topic that was basically banned sitewide except for a single containment board. I think it helps illustrate that just because a game related to it exists, it does not mean discussing the topic is allowed on /tg/, especially when no attention is paid to the related game.

>>53710381
Except there's an actual rule specifying that all MLP content must go on /mlp/, and /mlp/ alone, while there's no rules saying that all movies must exclusively be on /tv/, all books exclusively on /lit/, or all comics exclusively on /co/.

>>53710448
>what's allowed
Go on. Report everything here and see what happens.
If we're not allowed, then surely we will be removed.

>>53710304
>Roots in tabletop are good, but the issue is that those roots seem very weak, weak to the point where the traditional games aspect is uninteresting enough for people on /tg/ to not even want to discuss them
People don't talk about Wizardry or Dungeon master every Dungeon Meshi thread, we talk about how the author portrays monsters, alignments, aspects of dungeon survival, etc. Stuff that is related to dungeon crawling based systems. Outsider is a thread that spawns discussions about humanities place in a setting where they aren't top dog by default, where inter-species relations are being explored, space exploration, and there is a wealth of information on the main site about other aspects of the series. This is related to space themed campaigns or ones where extraterrestial alien interactions are present.

That has been as much as was needed.

You can say the roots are weak all you want. The moment I see threads like Outsider banned is the moment I'll realize that /tg/ has lost an interest in just reveling in good settings. Next you'll tell me that Terry Pratchett appreciation threads should be banned because it's just people talking about how much they loved the discworld books and how cool stuff in them are?
I'm sorry sir Pratchett for using your name as leverage

>>53708009
>>53688463
>>53688941
At least read the thread you mongoloid
lurk moar newfag

>>53710383

Author said there was no jealousy, he created that view point on purpose for story's telling.

>>53710383
She was just assuming that Talon was taking advantage of Jardin somehow.

If she was jealous, it was probably on more of a professional level. "I'm the negotiator, why didn't I get a fukken hand touch ritual?"

>>53710381
Please stop advertising for the My Little Pony TCG.

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Ignoring whatever the fuck y'all are talking about above me,

What's the endgame for both the Loroi and Umiak? The Loroi have been shown to genocide their enemies and the Umiak enslave them but would they inflict that on the loser?

Say the Loroi win and now they have double to triple their territory, do they wipe out every trace of the Umiak? Does the Union survive?

Umiak win, it's been previously shown that they exact ruinous tribute on the defeated but they also have incredible difficulty with Loroi guerrillas to the point where they basically wipeout colonies instead of pacifying them. Do the Loroi become subjugated?

>>53710494
>>53710496
Why does this author keep crushing my cute space elf fantasies?

>>53710544
>Does the Union survive?
The union does predate the war, so it should survive unless its a complete Pyrrhic victory and the other races take the opportunity to get rid of the Loroi.

>>53710479
>People don't talk about Wizardry or Dungeon master every Dungeon Meshi thread

Two wrongs don't make a right.

>That has been as much as was needed.

Not at all. In fact, if people tried to constantly keep a Dungeon Meshi thread up, it wouldn't take long for the mods to forcibly move it to /a/. The mods, for all the criticisms about them being overly strict, tend to be rather relaxed towards off-topic rulebreakers, and will permit them a few threads before they decide to take action.

That's largely what's happening here. These threads are rare enough and so few people take notice that the mods don't feel a need to take action.

That doesn't change them from breaking the rules.

What I had hoped was that there was some less obvious factor that made it so that wasn't just you guys being offtopic spammers, something like it being deeply involved with some game, but what I seem to have gathered is that it's only distantly and tangentially related, and not only do you not care, you also have absolutely no interest whatsoever in discussing traditional games, only the webcomic within itself.

>>53710546

He makes us suffer enough with his update schedule, or lack of it; he just wants to see how far can we go before breaking.

>>53710544
The Loroi have simply taken over their enemies in the past, as long as they stop fighting, haven't they?

>>53710544

For how long the war has been going on, I doubt either side wants the other alive or anywhere near the population levels it currently has.

>>53710610
And your non-stop barrage of actual spam is supposed to accomplish what exactly?

>>53710607

Or the Historians step in to finish off the victor.

>>53710658

To let you know how right I am. That's how I get hard.

>>53710658
Address an issue, and ask that if you guys are just here to discuss a webcomic, to take your discussion over to /co?

If you are legitimately here because you want to discuss this from the lens of a traditional game, then please, discuss the traditional game. Or discuss its GURPS origins. Don't just flagrantly trample the rules and then get upset about people calling you out on it like you thought you had some special magical privilege or exception.

>>53710663
That then leads to the question, are the Historians trying to keep the war going for as long as possible?

Would they let one side win?

>>53710628
Depends who they've been fighting but for the most part yes. They fought three wars with the Mannadi but by that point they basically bombed them into the stone age and quarantined them.

>>53710749
Like, this. This has nothing to do with traditional games.

>>53710610
>Two wrongs don't make a right.
That's why I spam threads with shit posts because three wrongs will clearly do the job!

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>>53710766
Why are you here? What is your purpose in this thread? Do you honestly think you're going to convince anybody that it's against the boards rules to discuss a setting that is heavily drenched and stuff the board likes? Next you'll tell me that berserk is also something that shouldn't be talked about on /tg/?

>>53710610
>These threads are rare enough and so few people take notice that the mods don't feel a need to take action.
We have threads related to books, movies, Manga, comics, Etc all the time. Just because Outsider updates once every full Blue Moon doesn't mean this is a new phenomenon on the board. We're trying to act like the mods aren't aware of these threads and accept them.

>>53710749

I have no idea, but the are on the max level of tech and an unknown vessel far beyond the battle space engaged with the Bell. Something overall is fishy.

>>53710749
>Would they let one side win?
Depends on why they would be helping both sides.
Are they conducting an experiment or testing certain tech which they will then perfect for themselves?
In this case they will terminate both once the experiment/test is over to keep their secrets.

Are they just trying to determine who will leave them alone once it's over?
they might leave them alone

>>53710544
Both the Loroi and the Umiak appear to be fully intending on exterminating one another.

The Umiak originally wished to subjugate the Loroi to appease their small man syndrome and hatred of Soia stuff, but that's too hard to they're just killing them. The Loroi, after seeing the Umiak switch over to genocide mode, decided to do the same, and have a 'no shell is a non-combatant' policy.

The big difference is that the Umiak will almost certainly want to take the Loroi's worlds, as they want to gain something from this war. The Loroi seem to just want the war to be over at this point and will probably just glass everything in Umiak territory rather than extending the conflict on the ground.

>>53710546
Eh, we know he's gonna smash eventually.

>>53710816
You're taking a lot for granted, and largely without anything to support your claims.

>it's against the boards rules to discuss a setting that is heavily drenched and stuff the board likes?

It's against the rules to post offtopic threads and to have offtopic discussions, There's really not much room for you to try and say "But some people on this board like this!" and act like that's enough to permit me to get a few friends together and to start making daily Hootie and the Blowfish threads and then argue that someone might like to make a band-themed RPG.

>We have threads related to books, movies, Manga, comics, Etc all the time.

With at least a semblance of wanting to discuss them from the point of traditional games. You've grown complacent in having gotten away with past threads, and now do not even bother to offer lipservice for your offtopic spam.
You're the poster child for what happens when mods don't nip these things in the bud.

>Why are you here?
Why are you? This isn't /co/, and it sounds like you just want to discuss a webcomic.

>>53710816
he's just getting kicks out of arguing with people

>>53710816
Just stop replying to him.

If he had any power to change things this thread would be gone now. Just let him rage quietly in the corner.

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>>53710821
I don't know offhand the GURPs tech level, what is max level comparably to humans at this time period?

Would it be likely that the Historians have access to some kind of singularity tech/nanotech/space magic bullshit? I just need a relative level to see how much more fucked the other races are.

I remember reading the Umiak were actually able to invade Historian space for awhile and that helped convince the Historians to loan tech to the Loroi.

>>53710939
He is a Shikamaru avatar post away from being Jim Profit.

>>53710965
Those ship designs are fucking ace.

>>53710939
>>53710949
I came here simply because I was hoping you guys weren't just blatant rulebreakers.

Sadly, it seems like not only are you, with no arguments otherwise, you don't even care enough to pretend otherwise anymore.

>>53710965

Human tech level is 9.
Both combatants are 11.
Author implied Historians are 16+

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>>53710883
That seems pretty likely.

Would the Umiak be able to pacify the Loroi enough to spare their worlds or d oyou think they'd be forced to glass major population centers?

And on the flipside would the rest of the Union be okay with killing off the Umiak? Hell, do the Loroi even have the military to glass every single major world?

Also AMERICA FUCK YEAH IN SPACE

>>53711026

http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/tech_level.html

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>>53711026
Wow, goddamn, okay that puts things into a new perspective.

>>53711100

Too put it bluntly, humanity is being forced to pick a side and hope the end of the war comes quickly and their allies magnanimous.

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>>53710915
>With at least a semblance of wanting to discuss them from the point of traditional games. You've grown complacent in having gotten away with past threads, and now do not even bother to offer lipservice for your offtopic spam.
>You're the poster child for what happens when mods don't nip these things in the bud.
I would recommend you head back to wherever you came from and stay there. Or better yet if you're so concerned report the thread and see how the mods react. That should prove your point right?

>>53711138

He is here for (you)s, nothing more.

>>53689158
>>53689931

When did they ever say this??

>>53711167

Explore the wonderful Insider, the big ass book of Lore that the Author wrote up. That and the the Q&A threads on the forum.

>>53711100
such a cool ship
still wanna se those ultra heavies, though

on other things, anyone thinks the soia screwed with humans? i mean we are just a bit too similar to call it chance, plus i think that balam something, i forgot the name, looked mighty suprised to see a human, and called alex little brother?

seems theres something biggish there

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>>53711167
Isn't it required by law before military service? I dunno about the 4 year old, but the author made a point of mentioning that Fireblade was unique in that she didn't have a kid before joining the fight.

Also the more important question: Goddamn, wouldn't you too?

>>53711196

I think that's the whole point of the mistrust and concern for the Loroi. Even if we join them and help them win. The burnt out feeling from fighting and whatever can of worms are exstance is opening is a point of concern, even I feel they are in serious need of allies.

>>53711220
Physically yes
Mentally concerned

Also I can somewhat understand Order of the Stick being discussed here, but was this comic based on a GURPs campaign or something? I always see those character sheets with the censored information on them. And people seem to know more about the setting and characters than has actually ever been said in the comic.

But if not, why is it here? And if it is, why are people complaining? Is a comic based on a GURPS campaign not good enough for you?

>>53711220
IIRC, no. Access to males is a reward for distinguised service in some aspect, one of which is military service. They don't just hand them out to recruits.

>>53711193

Wow, I had no idea there was a bunch of stuff I was missing out on.

Thanks!

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>>53711196
There's definitely some kind of connection as those guys also found a race that looked really close to themselves and even sent religious missionaries to uplift them.

>>53711276

The threads dying, mission complete dude. Fuck off and let it die before someone spites you and makes another.

>>53711302

No problem, you'll get hooked like me hopefully. I hope he keeps up a tempo like this so you won't have to experience the pain of 2 pages a year at times.

>>53711300
Actually they do.
Their first night with a male is part of the rite of graduating form their training.

>>53711398

They basically have to with their combat losses.

>>53711398
Is that a wartime policy or general?

>>53711306

That was my first post and I was posing a pretty fair question I think.

I read further up in the thread and Outsider IS based on a GURPS campaign so I don't see how it isn't /tg/ related.

But I do hate your attitude, and wish suffering upon you in all your future undertakings.

>>53711483
That I forget.
Though they did relax regulations in general due to the war.

>>53711499
sounds like you skipped all the posts by the guy demanding to know how this is /tg/ related

>>53711499

Dude, half the post in here are you pretending to be judge dredd, the decider of 4chan's rules. You shit up a th thread by yourself. If anyone deserves suffering, it's you.

>>53711276
>Is a comic based on a GURPS campaign not good enough for you?

I'm mostly just curious how explicit and obvious it is.

Are these just fanmade? Do these stats actually have a clear impact on the story?
>>53688463
>>53688941

It's not like this about it qualifying for anything, I'm genuinely just curious.
I'm guessing it's not OOTS level of obvious references and even jokes about the game itself, but I'm wondering how much of it is clear that it was based on a GURPS campaign or whether that's just sort of a behind the scenes tidbit.

>>53711637
Give up, m8.
Now they're going to consider you're "fursecuting" them for asking such questions.

>>53711589

I only entered this thread after the post limit so you're shit-talking the wrong person, asshole.

>>53711637
I also wondered this. I didn't actually know before today, although I would often see the GURPS character sheets posted. But earlier in the thread someone stated fairly confidently it was based on the author's GURPS campaign.

It isn't very explicit though, it certainly doesn't say anywhere on the site. Not like, say, Eagle Ordinary, which in addition to being obvious, comes out and says it is based on the author's 40k rpg campaign.

Maybe it's in the forums?

>>53711693

Sorry m8, your style of writing was really close to the other guy.

>>53708926

Honestly, I'd say the best be would be to go the Expanse route. Get some super high G drives, slap them on giant fuck-off nukes and spam the shit out of them. It only takes one piece of new tech, it doesn't require rebuilding the entire fleet from the ground up, and it lets humans punch above our weight.

>>53711693
>I only entered this thread after the post limit so you're shit-talking the wrong person, asshole
Think about it this way before you start name calling. There was a very dedicated troll on this thread and still is honestly who was questioning the validity of this topic being discussed on this board. Then you show up asking a question that is very similarly worded and phrased to that person. Said poster also attempted to pretend as if he wasn't somebody further Upstream in the thread.

Even if you aren't him you we're going to get some flack thrown in your direction and that's unfortunate but instead of being a name-calling faggot you should probably just move on.

Is there a particular reason you feel like this comic didn't belong on /tg/ prior to realizing it's connection to GURPS?

>>53711801
I like how you're still not even answering his questions.

>>53711822
The question was answered several times in this thread, you choosing to ignore it is your problem.

>>53711822
(You) is about all you're getting from me.

/tg/ is so easily trolled these days

Old /tg/ would never even respond to armchair mod troll and just continue discussing whatever. Also it is blatantly obvious that the "new" guy is the same guy still trolling.

STOP.
TAKING.
THE BAIT.

>>53711637
>Are these just fanmade?

No. Neither is the ship combat system that was posted further up.

The stats do come across in certain ways, most obviously with Beryl.

>>53711822
I like how you're still samefagging as hard as humanly possible.

>>53711801
It might surprise you, but there was actually more than one person arguing against you earlier. Whether you believe it or not, there were other people who were agreeing on the points that just coming here to discuss webcomics is against the rules and the very spirit of this board.

And, you might want to call it trolling, but the basic truth is that /tg/ isn't a random board like /b/, nor is it the random webcomic board like /co/.

>Is there a particular reason you feel like this comic didn't belong on /tg/ prior to realizing it's connection to GURPS?

What? Are you still trying to press this retarded bit of "spam what you want, let the mods sort it out" that just makes it so that the mods can play favorites with what they personally like?

This whole matter could have been resolved much earlier. This webcomic is based on a GURPS campaign? How? To what degree? Help support the point, not try to pretend it doesn't matter because you feel like whatever you like can be posted here without any further justification.

>>53711736

Sorry I'm a little high strung. I just got on, made like 3 or 4 posts across 3 threads and got called samefag in all of them and it just, really got to me.

>>53711801

I dunno it was always just some space odyssey comic to me before. I either didn't see or didn't make the connection to a RPG understory.

In something like Dungeon Meshi you can see "the party" and honestly there's so many rpg themes in there. OOTS still quotes DND mechanics sometimes. Eagle Ordinary is closer to the way Outsider is written, but 40k setting is so obvious and the author often mentions his campaign and posts material from it.

I just never honestly knew before today that Outsider was actually based on a GURPS campaign. I'm actually intrigued that the player characters were the Loroi. Is the human character actually an NPC in the campaign it was based on?

>>53711897
/tg/ has always taken every bait, everytime.
Rose tinted glasses will tell you that ~in the past when /tg/ was really good and not bad like now because of the people who disagree with me~ people used to turn bait into ebin threads and make it all super cool and usable for tabletop. But really, no, /tg/ just took the bait straight and got trolled, everytime. This isn't new, this isn't going to change.