Warhammer 40,000 General(40kg)

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Would most non GW stores allow proxy models for stuff like this? I don't quite need a basilisk/medusa, just the cannon for R&H.
I assume WW2 models would work in its stead?

>>53681162
>1000 conscripts
>only playing 3k

what are you a pleb

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How tall are Custodes next to the Chads? I saw pic-related but (from the base thickness) it looks like this may just be dishonest memery.

>>53681254
No. Most GW stores have a 10% of the model not offical or less rule unless the thing is all scratch built.

>>53681254

Non gee dubs don't give a shit. A gee dub store will give a shit.

>>53681254
Have you considered buying recasts for cheaper?

Latest rumor I've heard lately regarding 8e lore:
Guilliman may or may not be making a dark pact with Khorne in order to drive off a certain xenos menace from a particularly infamous Imperial World...
>inb4 Emps gets so mad he straight-up SMITES Rowboat for this shit.

>>53681343
Its 50% actually, assuming that whats written in my local GW is the same for all other stores.

>>53681412
That would require me to be able to find one.

>>53681450
Try all4wargames they aren't underground cryptics like those faggots in China.

Excel-anon's wonderful damage calculations, still in the works: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

HBC>>>>IA

Is it even worth fielding 25 CSM termies? I miscalculated last thread, it's closer to 1250 +/- 100ish points depending on gear.

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we need him back

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First timer here, thinking about making the jump into the hobby with the Dark Imperium box set. How balanced is it? Is it good for pick up and play? Having quite a difficult time deciding what chapter to make my marines.

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>>53681416

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I can't decide between Staffs or Halberds for Paladins and Brother-Captains/Grand Masters.

+1S AP-2 or +2S AP-1 +1Invuln?

>>53681472
Or MirandaIrene. They are Chinese but have a website and have some oop stuff too

>>53681497
does the car have flappy paddles though?

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Doing the box set for work.
Everything in it is a real joy to paint. I want like 3 of these guys for inq28.

( I hate doing highlights and clean style painting.If i get some of my own i'm attacking them with a sponge and some pigment.)

>>53681495
Fuck him. Hes an asshole that pisses away people like zapp branigan

>>53681495
bring
him
bacj

>>53681340
If Im not mistaken the head of the numarine reaches the eyes of a custodes.

>>53681494
25 might be a bit much. 10-15 are worth it no problem.

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does anyone have any good techs for doing torn clothing?
not like frayed at the edge but with holes in the fabric
wanting to give my guardsmen a more rugged look

>>53681521
>get some of my own i'm attacking them with a sponge and some pigment.

Can you give me a quick rundown of this technique?

Reminder that conscripts have barely changed since 6th and 7th and people are losing their shit over nothing

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best nid list aside from pure gant spam

Thinking about fitting a harpy in there somewhere

>>53681568
https://youtu.be/Onspoa5N6Zw

>>53681583
>apart from pure gaunt spam
glad youre learning

>>53681495
>"keep shooting!"- all conscripts units in 6" of Chenkov fire an extra shot when shooting their lasguns

>>53681580
Are you retarded?

The removal of template weapons is the reason why we can do dumb shit like this

>>53681586
My bad, it's not that one. Duncan did a tutorial on it though.

500 Termagaunts VS 500 Conscripts plus Officers?

Who wins?

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>>53681508
>Rowboat strikes a deal with one of the very gods Big E was trying to destroy in the first place
>Big E: "DAMN IT GUILLIMAN! I DID NOT SIT ON THIS THRONE FOR 10,000 YEARS JUST FOR YOU TO COME BACK AND DESTROY EVERYTHING I BUILT!"
>Big E is so fucking pissed he tracks down Gork n' Mork inside the Warp (they ain't hard to miss) and asks them to have their greenskins beat the shit out of both Guilliman and (probably) Angron

>>53681412

are recasters only good for big forgeworld and oop stuff?

looking at suits on the chink site, only £5 cheaper for broadsides but supremacy is supposedly £120 cheaper?!?

>>53681580
you're retarded, the reason for this is all 8th ed changes

>>53681551
>tfw you're wondering when the fuck she had time to dye her hair
>tfw you realize it was probably all that color when she was conscripted and new hair has grown out
definitely survived long enough to have BS4+

>>53681608
>>53681645
just kill the commissars, just melee the guard to death, just shoot them with literally any weapon stronger than a lasgun lmao.

>>53681568
Here. At 2:54. You can also use rhinox hide instead of skavenblight without the metal coat for darker spot of grime and chipping.

https://youtu.be/gyuPxJG5kFc

>>53681641
I would love to see Gork and Mork speak to their children and summon a super Waaaagh over the simple premise that a Primarch is back so theres finally a umie worth krumpin

>>53681340
true scale custodes when?

>>53681580
No templates and removal of 2xinf and command squad tax makes them so much better.

How effective is targeted shading instead of laying it on and neatening up?
I'm sure with my edge highlighting I'm gonna have to redo the base colour, so figure there's not a lot of point shading first. However, if I slap it on after I'm likely to hit the highlighted areas as I'm awful at painting.
So, I was thinking just run the shade along the edges when I'm done.

>>53681546

I definitely want to try a big unit of 10 for sure. It sounds intimidating as fuck. Maybe I'll add a smaller squad to protect the sorcerer after the big one charges.

>>53681666
there is no army which can currently, mathematically, kill that many conscripts unless you kill the commissars

and the commissars can hide behind terrain

is it lore or is it just a meme that an ork almost choked the Emperor to death during the great crusade?

>>53681642
Well the guy I was replying to wanted basklisk enplacements.

I tend to buy all my shit now from recasters. That 5 pound difference adds up when building an army

>>53681642
If you're using a site you're usually doing it wrong. MI is the only exception I can think of.

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>>53681568
Sure, This is how i did it on the store scenery.

Start with your preferred silver spray. (in this case leadbealcher or army painter gun metal.)
Then use model mates red rust and oil brown weathering sprays ,apply liberally on top of each other.

Then using a sponge apply your paint colour, in this case coat d arms khaki for the boiler and catwalks and rust red for the other walkways, After you apply it go over it again with a dry sponge to flatten it.

Then a silver drybrish over any pipes/edges.

ryza rust, typhus corrison and various black washes to add grime and dirt.
Throw some pigment on and give it a quick hair spray blast.
Give the walkways a once over with nuln oil, patting it on with the side of the brush to stop the model mates streaking.
Give it a quick sponging to bring out the paint colour underneath in some areas.
Fianlly do your details, bronze panels, blue screens ect ect.
Then a blast of testors dullcoat.

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When do you think we'll get the Imperial Armour rulebooks leaked?

>>53681701
Commissars only have 6 inch range though
Furthermore, what WAACnigger is going to spend 300 dollars for 100 conscripts only and no vets or regular guardsmen?

>>53681551
I'd suggest doing this >>53681586

>>53681705
i dunno but now i want to commission art of an ork warboss with the emperor in a choke hold as he's kicking his legs and reaching for his sword thats barely out of reach
>Orkamania is running wild golden 'umie

>>53681701
Can't I just bring a Vindicare?

>>53681659
>not buzzing your recruits
Shiggy diggy

>>53681744
hopefully never so that no-one can ever use forge worlds broken ass rules

>>53681697
Yeah I think 10, 5, and a Sorc is a good configuration for that reason.

>>53681755
Any sniper will do, you could also burn them, or melee them to death. Since they suck ass in melee, or just shoot them with like a bolter.

>>53681745
me, someone who isnt a fucking scrub and has been collecting guard for coming on 2 decades

>>53681705
It's true, but the Emperor may have just been pretending to be retarded.

>>53681720

I can think of one more, but they're a secret club.

>>53681720
Olay how do I get in contact with someone decent? The only thing I can find is some leddit that refuses to discuss it.

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>>53681521
>tfw still shit at painting even though I've been collecting for two years.

Why can't I edge highlight

>>53681774
mathematically, for their points, a conscript is better in melee than a khorne bezerker

>>53681774
I'm just thinking snipers might be necessary this edition, or at least super helpful.

What chapter tactics work best with what we have seen from the Primaris line up? Space Sharks seems like a miss

>>53681685
dont forget they actually get saves against a lot more stuff now, the big downside is they aren't as easily made totally fearless and they can't get that 4+ invuln from divination or invisible from telepathy

>>53681782
I said purely for conscripts. Ive been playing guard for a long time too

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>>53681715
>>53681720

So this shit is legit? Well as legit as you can get buying off a chinaman.

>>53681768
Except in the latter half of 7th forge worlds rules were more balanced and functional than GW proper, they weren't the ones who made the mess that was the Ynnari rules after all

>>53681796
People are going to be working the deployments carefully for those sweet, sweet command points, so I imagine there'll be more HQs than normal.

>>53681795
Actually the other way around, zerkers kill half the con squad in a single round of combat

>>53681815
MirandaIrene is decent. Tends to be better than Zanchui or CCON at least.

>>53681815
Yes. I bought some forgeworld hydras from them becuase they are the only ones left with them. Pm them to use paypal and not western union.

>>53681795
I don't get it. How do you fit 50 conscripts at once within 1" of the model? It's not like they can all fight at once. They will just tarpit the enemy.

>>53681820
are you the same anon who said eldar forge world stuff like lynxes and hornets were balanced?

>>53681815
MI is one of the highest cost but highest quality chinks. They're good.

Excel-anon here.

I'm wondering if I've made some error in regards to the Hammerhead. My current data seems to indicate:
-Railgun>>>>Ion Cannon
-Hammerhead is about as efficient as a HRR Broadside at hitting heavy vehicle
-Submunitions are worse than Solid Shot in all circumstances? You'd think Sub would be better versus heavy infantry, but the tiny shot-volume isn't enough to compensate for the drop in S and AP.
-Versus anything OTHER than heavy-armor, Hammerheads are super inefficient.

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>>53681162
Anyone got a Chaos Predator they're willing to part with? GW's out of stock and ebay is failing me.

>>53681599
>Send in the next wave
All Conscripts regenerate D6 models at the end of the turn when within 6" of Chenkov.

>>53681837
Who is the very best?

>>53681793
>>53681793
Tbf, I've been collecting since i was seven and I'm a fine art student, And i fucking HATE highlighting because it's a bitch to get right.
Edge highlighting is made much easier if you use the side of your bristles, Running them along the edges you want highlighted .IF that fails, Cheat and use a pen.There's no law that says you have to use paint to colour your minis if other methods work.

>>53681822
That was my line of thinking, also horde armies seem to be back so I wanna quickly elimate anything that buffs morale

>>53681855
the fuck u think this place is?

>>53681792
MI is good, easy to use, and fairly cheap, especially because of free shipping. I've personally ordered weapons and shit from her twice now. Place your order on the site, then send her an email with the order number asking to pay via PayPal.

>>53681805
Dont forget that even with the save it's still just a 5+, they only have T3 and wond on 5 or 6 most of the time and they are certainly not fearless. I seriously think people over estimate them, i used to run this (as much as i could) back in 7th and they wold get slaughtered easily.

>>53681701
>there is no army which can currently, mathematically, kill that many conscripts
Equal points in boyz

>>53681872
At this point, I would argue Alpharius. The shit I got from him was nearly flawless, which included fiddly bits from an assault squad weapons pack.

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>>53681340
They're a bit taller

finished Talon of Horus

jesus daddy issues christ, ADB should seek professional help

>>53681848
No but I do Horus Heresy which has great internal balance compared to GWs 40k

>>53681913
Forgot to add, their LD without a babysitter is pitiful, to the point that they need a commissar just to be semi useful

>>53681913
don't get me wrong they have the capacity to be a cheep scary unit, and i wouldn't be surprised if bringing 2 maxed out squads of them wasn't uncommon, but they are obviously not the "jet bike" jack of all trades unit this edition, obviously they'll need some anti armor/ big creature support which luckily the guard has in spades

>>53681931
>tfw shootas can probably outshoot conscripts
It also helps boyz are S and T4 with a S4 gun, but they cost 6 and have a shit save, someone mathhammer max boyz vs 50 cons + commissar

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>>53681162
changing the toughness and AV rules was a great choice.
so much bullshit was caused by invulnerable vehicles

>>53681872
All4wargames. Their shit is often mistaken for resells.

>>53681950
custodes base is taller.

gonna have to wait until they resize custodes and make them a head bigger and thicker. deathguard model is wider than him ffs.

Been tinkering around with my Eldar came up with the following for a 2k list - thoughts?

Battalion
>5x Rangers
>5x Rangers
>5x Rangers
>20x Guardians - 2x Bright Lance
>3x War Walkers - 6x Missile Launchers
>Night Spinner
>Farseer Skyrunner
>Warlock Skyrunner
>Warlock

Outrider Detachment
>3x Windriders - 3x Shruiken Cannons
>3x Windriders - 3x Shruiken Cannons
>3x Windriders - 3x Shruiken Cannons
>3x Windriders - 3x Shruiken Cannons
>6x Shining Spears
>Autarch Skyrunner - Laser Lance

Total of 7 CP.

>>53681596
I don't think I'd find games if I laid out 500 gants, atleast until balancing and my $400 of cannon fodder becomes worse
>>53681626
Depends on whether or not the termagants get devourers

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>>53681497
Bump.

>>53681969
Yeah, i dont get the panic, ive been using cons forever, theyre actually somewhat worse now because they cant be buffed with prescience and such now. Only difference is theres no Platoon commander + squad tax, which was dirt cheap anyway

>>53681744
the rubble on your base looks like a little church

>>53681983
The fuck are you talking about?

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Fuck your crunch, give me some fluff. Why are the Custodes so big and cool? BUT. In your own words, as hyperbolic as possible.

>>53681877
That's a good idea. You think those gundam colour pens would work?

I feel like that would be something that would work.

>>53681985
Their prices are higher than MI, are they that much better?

>>53681793
two years is nothing anon

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>>53681744
>Modelling a tiny church on a Knight base
Ugh

>>53681846
You only have to be within 1" of a friendly model who is in base contact to fight

>>53682080

Paintjob is dope as fuck tho

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>>53682058
gundam pens, Pigment line markers, A nice fine artist pen. Anything that leaves a mark will work, It's just a case of messing around and seeing what you prefer.

Also as >>53682073 says, Two years isn't alot.I've been painting for 15 years ,plus I have a degree in fine art and my dad taught me classical painting techniques as a kid and that primaris marine is still he best i can do with highlights on flat panels.
Take your time and enjoy each model, Eventually you'll realise that you got good.

>>53682060
Some recasts have different weights or other tells to call them as fake. All4wargames doesn't have that

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>>53681162
Honestly tempted to drop 500 bucks on 100 valhallans and run conscripts for 8th.
But that implies I have half a grand to throw into a meme list.

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>>53682151
is people going table to table measuring models to check their weight really a thing that happens in GW stores?
If so then holy shit how can anyone stand playing there

>>53682164

Dooooo it, faggot.

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>>53682055
Custodes are the guys who never go to war but sit in the gym, training, eating and injecting themselves with peds 24/7

Just like how soldiers usually rely more on endurance than strength. Custodes never travel like the other space marines so they get fucking Jacked.
Basically space marine bodybuilders.

>>53682188

Just put pennies/washers on the bottom of your bases. Hell, it's a good thing to do regardless.

>>53682191
Give me 500 dollars then loser

>>53682188
no.It has never happened, Ever.
Even when someone says they were kicked out of gw for their recasts, They're lying. They were most likely just asked not to talk about recasters in store and went on a REEEEE...

Does anyone have a list/namegen for Custodes? What culture do they take names from?

x-posting this in the HH thread.

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>>53681815
Don't bother with MI prices, Z's Taunar is perfectly fine and is just as good if not better than FW's

http://imgur.com/a/vjAjN
http://imgur.com/aHFnIwg

>>53681981
here ya go

50 conscripts = 150 pts
commissar = 20 pts
officer = 20pts

190 points of boys = 31

****
50 conscripts shoot 31 boys at 24" range
50 shots x2 for FRFSRF
100 shots
33.3 hits
10.99 wounds
9.5 unsaved wounds

at 12" range that's
19 unsaved wounds

on overwatch that's:
100 shots (assuming all within 12" for charge reception)
16.6 hits
5.5 wounds
4.7 unsaved wounds
*****
31 boys with (for arguments sake) shootas

doesnt matter what range
62 shots
20.5 hits
13.5 wounds
8.9 unsaved wounds

if your boys are shooting overwatch you're an idiot who got charged by conscripts, but here we go

62 shots
9.9 hits
6.5 wounds
4.3 unsaved wounds
***
So even at max range, Conscripts out-shoot Boys. Close combat stats to follow.

>>53682188

I worked at GW in retail from 06-13 and the only time I ever caught someone with recasts was when he dropped one and I saw it break and saw the resin. I just asked him not to bring those models back in. I would never go up to someone's table and pick up their models and we certainly didn't ask to weigh them at any point.

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Lads, I need an old school chapter from the early editions that has kind of dropped of people's radar.

Any ideas for a neglected chapter?

>>53682188
Friends of mine go to GT's with recasts

As long as you show up with them atleast fixed up and primed, there's no way to tell. You won't get hassled unless you show up with OOP resin models.

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>>53682251

>>53682251
Crimson Fists is the first one that jumps to mind, and they still have a tiny bit of support considering their one named character is in the index and they'll probably get Chapter Tactics in the Codex.

>>53682251

>Rainbow Warriors
>Crimson Fists
>Novamarines
>Fire Angels
>Silver Skulls

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>>53682251

>>53682298

Crimson Fists usually falls right under Imperial Fists, their progenitor. They only have Kantor.

>>53682250

This is making me sweaty, poor dude breaks his model, spewing toxic dust in the air and you have the audacity to kick him whilst he's down?

unless he was running it greytide in which case fuck that guy

>>53682251
>I need an old school chapter from the early editions that has kind of dropped of people's radar.
Iron Hands
:(

>>53682164
just do cadians for fresh recruits

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>>53682251

Does anyone have any old-school Space Marine/Epic stuff?

Their Imperial Guard book had an some fluff on company numbering and army badges that (to my knowledge) wasn't reprinted in later IG books.

>>53682250
What do if someone asks where i got my shit from?
At this point, I assume recasts are the worst kept secret in the scene.
Do i play dumb when some guy smirks and mentions i probably got em from China?
Or is everyone smart enough not to ask?

>>53682328
He clearly wasn't running greytide or you could tell.

>>53682333
Cadian models are TRASH

>>53681855
DM me

>baneblade variants get 9 attacks at full health
>hit on 5s
>-2 ap and D3 damage
>can spray heavy flamers into close combat and still shoot their main gun at other stuff
where were you when baneblades became the best melee unit guard had?

>>53681162
>3 flamers AND a heavy flamer is legal in a veteran squad

What are your favourite ways to build vets?

>>53682365

Still an awkward feeling though, everytime I go into that store I see you and we KNOW.

Would be like if you caught me sniffing your underwear

>>53682328

I mean I didn't kick him out. I just told him not to bring the recasts back. He was a cool guy so we never had any issues - I'm sure he had other re-cast stuff, I didn't continually spot check him. Honestly we didn't care as long as you didn't flaunt it.

>>53682363

You bought it off eBay. It's that easy - no GW ever thinks they're your sole source of models and product. We know people buy 2nd hand, other shops, etc. People brought shit in all the time where I had no clue where they got it - and honestly I didn't even ask.

>>53682377
Nuh uh. They are okay and for Conscripts they make sense.

>>53682428
>eBay recasts

Literally the worst possible form of 40k models. And those dicks have the gall to charge you almost twice as much as the good recasters.

Has anyone else done an 8e battle report besides Tabletop Tactics?

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Traitors belong in the trash!

>>53682431
Not any more :'(

>>53682442
free thunderhawk rides for traitors when?

>>53682438
Frontline and Miniwar gaming.

>>53682443
Well, Cadian model gear is standard issue Guard shit in a lot of places.

>>53682275
>You won't get hassled unless you show up with OOP resin models

I have legitimate OOP resin models from FW. Why is being OOP the measurement for harassment?

>>53682437

I didn't mean to say you should say its a recast you bought off eBay. You just say you bought the model off eBay.

>>53682463

I think he means if you have a resin version of an OOP model that was only made in metal.

>>53682463
Nobody is going to bother you. That anon was being retarded.

>>53682249
If the Conscripts charge:
lose 4 men on the charge to overwatch
get to attack first so
46 attacks
15.1 hits
5.0 wounds
4.3 unsaved wounds
~4 dead orks

(assuming the officer and commissar fight too)
6 attacks
4 hits
1.3 wounds
1.1 unsaved wounds
~+1 ork dead

Orks fight back
26x2 = 52 attacks
34.3 hits
22.6 wounds
14.9 unsaved wounds
~15 dead conscripts

If the Boys charge:
lose 5 boys to overwatch
26x2 = 52 attacks
34.3 hits
22.6 wounds
14.9 unsaved wounds
~15 dead conscripts

conscripts fight back:
35 attacks
11.5 hits
3.8 wounds
3.3 unsaved wounds
~3 dead orks

HOWEVER, if they had a Priest nearby, that's effectively doubling their attacks for the cost of adding 6 orks to the other side. So roughly double their kills. Next round, if he wasnt in combat, the officer could order fix bayonets, doubling their attack output. Combined with a Priest, they would be quadrupling their attack output with that order.

On average, each conscript kills 0.1 orks in combat. If you order fix bayonets and have a priest nearby, that goes up to 0.4.

Not to mention, that Priest gives them rerolls to hit on the charge or when charged. All together, that wildly affects the numbers.

So final post will be the ideal combat output for Conscripts.

>>53682463
Because forgeworld is all WAAC shit, not even GW.

You can get fucked if you bring it in.

>>53682437
Actually, I got a Dreadclaw for $50 from ebay (turns out it was Sylvia) and it wasn't complete shit. A few mold slips on the legs, but otherwise fine.

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>>53682442
based fucking sons of dorn

>>53682463
What I'm saying is if you show up with stuff from like 3rd edition that never got the finecast treatment you may get outed by a grognard that was around when they were released. It's rare to have someone pick up your models though but if someone asks to pick something up and you refuse it sets off red flags.

Just don't get ultra old recasts or 300 normally expensive models.

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>>53681162
The most important poll in 40k history:
http://www.strawpoll.me/13136186

>>53682494
>assuming the officer and commissar fight too
You just allocate attacks to kill them.

Also this assumes Conscripts are getting buff bubbles from elites but Orks dont get Nob with a flag or painboy.

>>53682495
>Because forgeworld is all WAAC shit, not even GW.

Certain FW OOP units ARE GW units you dumb faglord. Baneblade, Trygon, Valkyrie, Drop Pod, a billion power armor and terminator models

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>>53682188
>is people going table to table measuring models to check their weight really a thing that happens in GW stores?

Not in any of the ten or so GW stores I've ever been to. The manager of my favourite gee-dub knows I've recast models, too, but I have the decency not to discuss it in his place of business.

>If so then holy shit how can anyone stand playing there

Well, I told you it's not so, but ...

... actually, there *was* quite a shift in da ladz 'ooz been showin' up. Most of the big time players and WAACfags have moved on, allowing newer players (with some capital and fresh greedy eyes) to move into the vacuum. I don't make it up there as often as I'd like, but at the same time, I don't have a whole lot of capital to spend on buying something substantial every time I go.

I don't know all the intricacies of what happened, but I suspect that crowd actually prefers playing at one of their homes where they can take up as much space as the want, for as long as they want, and use whatever language and whatever alcoholic beverages they want without being reminded that they're in someone else's commercial establishment.

>>53682495
>not even GW

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

>>53682495
>t. poorfag

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>>53682215
>Just put pennies/washers on the bottom of your bases. Hell, it's a good thing to do regardless.

Huh. Funny you should say that. I agree. It helps reduce wobbly model syndrome and, if you've used steel washers, there's the potential for a magnetized carrying tray and/or display board!

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>>53682251
See >>53682346

>>53682437
>>53682428
Its funny cause searching ebay brings up a lot of recasts. And my stuff is FW so it will get more attention.

I can already see the invariable dude who starts asking follow up questions like how much and who sold it..
Im sure it wont be the GW staff who get me in trouble, but some well meaning opponent who wants in on the discount

>>53682188

People can't even stand playing in GW stores EVEN WHEN THESE STORIES AREN'T REAL

Imagine if they were

>>53682547
>tfw csm
>can use all the recast shit I want because all dat HH resin

>>53681472
>>53681985
>>53682151

I will literally pay for the hire of a moderately-priced prostitute for any recaster who gets the Necromunda Redemptionists, Cawdors, and Enforcers back on the market.

>>53682581
Could anyone really call you on it if you said you just got it second-hand off eBay and repainted it yourself? Seems like they'd have to go through a lot of measures just to say "hey don't bring those models anymore".

>>53682602

People played in my store when I worked there all the time and people still play there now.

>>53682581
>I can already see the invariable dude who starts asking follow up questions like how much and who sold it..
Easy - "I don't remember; I bought it a while ago and only got around to painting it recently".

>>53682607
You can send certain recasters OOP metals like Alpharius and he'll duplicate them and put them up for sale, returning your original with your order.

>>53682581
Just say it's legit and stick to the story you autist. Jesus Christ, this isn't rocket science. You aren't infiltrating the Boston mob.

how many shots does a shadowsword need to statistically kill a knight in 8th

How are genestealer cults looking for 8th?

>>53682620
>Could anyone really call you on it if you said you just got it second-hand off eBay and repainted it yourself?
If you've gotten to that point you've already fucked up. JUST SAY THEY ARE LEGIT. WHY IS THIS SO HARD? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!

>>53682494
Ideal scenario for 50 Conscripts:
Have a Commissar, Sergeant and Priest in range.

FIRST ROUND OF COMBAT

50 Conscripts charge 37 Ork Boys
37 boys shoot overwatch
12.2 hits
8.0 wounds
5.3 unsaved wounds
Conscripts lose ~5 guys to overwatch

Conscripts hit first
90 attacks (+1A for Priest)
Hitting on 5s (with a reroll thanks to Priest)
29.7 hits
19.9 successful rerolls
49.6 total hits
16.3 wounds
14.0 unsaved wounds
~14 dead orks on the charge

Keep Officer, Commissar and Priest out of combat.

23 orks hit back
46 attacks
30.3 hits
20.0 wounds
13.2 unsaved wounds
~13 dead conscripts

SECOND ROUND OF COMBAT

**Officer Orders Fix Bayonets in shooting phase**

32 Conscripts remaining
64 attacks (+1 A thanks to Priest)
21.1 hits (no rerolls this time)
6.9 wounds
6 unsaved wounds
~6 dead orks

As this is an IDEAL scenario, lets assume the Conscripts get to fight before the orks in the Fight phase.

64 attacks
21.1 hits
6.9 wounds
6 unsaved wounds
~6 dead orks

There are now only 11 orks remaining, and the Conscripts have only suffered 18 casualties. By comparison, they have killed 26 ork boys.

From there, the Conscripts easily win combat. Orks can possibly lose an ork to morale. Overall, Conscripts can, for their points, beat ork boys (with shootas) in combat. Sluggas/Choppas however is a different story. If anyone gives enough of a shit I can run the numbers for that too.

>>53682722
If you say they're legit then technically that opens the door to them checking however it is they want. You're in more of a grey area if you say you got them off the internet and were told they were legit. It doesn't matter either way, no one in the world is going to be so anal that it matters.

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>>53682282

Unfortunately they've become a meme chapter.

>>53682298

Yeah I was leaning towards Crimson Fists, but they're not totally forgotten.

>>53682309

Silver Skulls are kind of still floating around, I see quite a few armies here and there. If I did Fire Angels I would have to go back to their old white and red scheme and people would probably just think I was playing White Scars. I quite like Novamarines, a contender.

>>53682312

Another contender, I wish GW still made a decal sheet for them. White is a bit of a bitch to paint as well.

>>53682346

Flesh Eaters are a cool chapter but they're BA successors aren't they? My current army is more codex based, I guess I could just paint them and use Ultramarine rules or something.

Any other suggestions?

>>53682538
It does, for sake of argument we assume ideal scenarios. Even if you give Orks everything they can get, however, in their 225 points (including cost of Priest), they still fair pretty poorly. They'll win, but only just. An ideal scenario for Orks vs an ideal scenario for Guard puts Orks to shame. They are supposed to be the mob fighters, and they can get the shit kicked out of them by Conscripts through sheer numbers.

Again, Orks WILL win in anything but an ideal scenario for Guard, BUT even in an IDEAL Ork scenario, the Guard will make most of their points back, and entirely blunt the attack. No Ork unit comes away from this fight happy. They lose ALOT of boys no matter what.

>>53682651
Got it from a craigslist add

>>53682665
>>53682722
Now see, it was important for me to clarify cause some people mention ebay and others recommend sticking with the legit story.

>>53682742
Yea, thats the big issue with FW models. They dont just sell those second hand in droves unless its the small bits.

Im thinking going with "ebay, the guy said they were legit, no not those dodgy ones from china i swear" but with more subtlety

>>53682739
Technically, the perfect scenario for Conscripts is to get to fire overwatch, let the Orks fight first, and then fight combat, because that way they roll the most dice overall. But this is probably the best example of just how brutal Conscripts can be.

>>53682742

To be honest the only time you'd get in a situation like this is if you broke a model and showed the resin on a non resin model or you had a big model that was extremely light.

Can't imagine it'll ever be an issue and you can just poo poo it by saying you got it off ebay.


Unless you're running a resin sisters army or some shit.

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>>53682770
Auric Patricians

>>53681162
What armies can easily beat this?

500 shoota boyz? 215 necron warriors and 4 cryptecs? 375 fire warriors?

My favorite easy counter to this list would be 32 chimeras each with a heavy bolter and multi laser.

>>53682787

Here's your script.

Hey man - where'd you get that model?

You - I bought it off eBay

Him - cool, how much was it?

You - hell I don't remember, I bought it awhile back and just got around to painting it

Him - I hear ya, well lets play.

>>53681521
Is he doing the thing where you run across a pool of custard?

>>53682251
>>53682770

Silver Guard or Iron Snakes?

(Going through a GG phase at the moment...)

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>>53682827

>>53682817
see
>>53682793
>>53682739
>>53682494
>>53682249
>>53681981

Your Ork Boys won't save you.

>>53681521
>>53682827
>>53682838
laughing so hard i nearly shit

>>53681583
Why do you post the same list in every thread?

>>53682852
they want abuse for not taking 500 termagaunts

I have an IG sergeant with a power fist and a chainsword. What do I do with him now that chainswords have value and I can't take both?

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so what does everyone think of the Wazbom Blastajet?
I feel like the tellyport mega-blasta could be pretty fucking brutal, especially if you use a CP re-roll on its special effect.

Also, along the same vein, are shokk attack guns worth using with the CP re-roll as well?

>>53682646
>people held gay furry orgies in my house all the time and people still fuck there now

Anecdotal evidence: not even once

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I took some pictures of my first 8th ed game. ~100 power level narrative game of Magnus-Led Thousand Sons and Tzeentch daemons vs Showboat Guilliman and Imperial Fists. Any interest in seeing more+game synopsis?

>>53682877
The only flyer worth taking anymore is a Dakkajet. It's worth taking a Blastajer ONLY if you have enough Dakkajets to warrant the KFF.

Every Shokk Attack Gun is a KFF not being used. No SAG will ever kill enough enemies to warrant not having a massive 5+ invun bubble.

>>53682894
Go for it, man.

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Tryin to make a 2k vets themes DA list, anybody have ideas?

I figure some sternguard in razorbacks mixed with sternguard and deathwing, plus some black knights or something. What do you guys think?

>>53682864
maybe its like a repulser glove from iron man

>>53682892

I mean people play at GW stores all the time. Most of it depends on the staff and their attitude.

>>53682894

Only if you mention each Ultramarine death by name.

>>53681434
there's no company wide policy on it. its up to the managers themselves.

though I've never seen a store allow majority non GW parts

>>53682840
What about the necron pile?

Or more importantly the 320 wounds worth of T7 3+ chimeras that are putting out 192 shots a turn at 36" range.

Any Britbongs here use the Central London store?

Moving to Landan town and wanna know if it's worth

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>getting into the hobby
>love defensive siege warfare
>cant fucking stand yellow
halp

>>53682946

> London

First stop is probably to get yourself a stab vest. Now get to fucking bed, it's half three here.

>>53682974
Do a successor, anon. Crimson fists are cool

Need halp.

I'm stripping some FW resin models (and some plastic ones) and I want to get the glued together bits apart and remove some of the glue crust too. Will acetone do it or would that ruin the resin details? If so, what else can I do to get glue off of resin?

>>53682974
Successor chapters. Homebrew one if you want

>>53682712
on average 3 turns. But its not to unlikely to do it in 1.

>>53682974
Do you like grey with yellow stripes?

>>53682974
You do what the setting is LITERALLY designed for.

Imperial Fists successor, either existing or homebrewed and paint them how you want.

>>53682906
>The only flyer worth taking anymore is a Dakkajet
I thought the Blitza-Bommer was generally thought to be a good choice too? At least that seems to be the consensus on /tg/.

>Every Shokk Attack Gun is a KFF not being used.
I mean, with the way detachments work now, having a semi-large number of characters who do different things isn't that far out there. But I guess it's more about getting the most coverage/redundancy w/ KFF's.

>>53682535
I just want old WS to come back

So. Mandrakes. 7+ save.

>>53682852
Want to show people what right looks like

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I just got one of this bad girls.
Beside magnetizing the living shit out of it.
Any idea for scale model ship that would feet the hand properly?

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>>53682080
Never forget. Never forgive.

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>>53682770
>Any other suggestions?

Scythes of The Emperor
Celestial Lions
Mantis Warriors
Relictors
Black Dragons
Flame Falcons
Sons of Antaeus
Emperor's Pointy Sticks

>>53682983

I'm at work baybee, only way to make sure those jihads don't get me is by living when they sleep

>>53683038

The melee chart was one of the most fucking retarded things in 40k

why capped at 3+ but kharn ignores it anyway?

why does a crippled malnourished child have a 6+ chance to hit the literal best swordsman deity in the galaxy who is martial prowess given physical form?

why does someone being a wacky wavy inflatable tube man get a better chance to escape unscathed even with a WS1 from someone with a WS10?

>>53683043
It's for the +1 for cover.

>>53683015
Yes, why?

>>53683074
like a ship ship? Or some kind of craft?

Because all I can think of is a jetbike or Tau drone.

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>>53682907
Okay
>>53682918
There is only Guilliman, and spoiler alert: things go poorly for him.

We did one of the scenarios with a defender (the fists) in a fortified position with a bunker and a bastion. We had concealed deployment for the defender and preliminary bombardment, both of which were pretty rad. I basically got to hide all my units under numbered cards and even used some extra Guilliman-given command points to make some decoys to try and throw off my opponent a bit. Then he got to take an orbital strike at any of my units and chose the bastion full of sternguard and devastators and slapped some mortal wounds off it (six, I think. but the thing has like twenty.) I had first turn. The goal of the scenario was for him to wipe me clean off the board by end game and his advantage was (other than a bit more power) that his troops got to respawn at the table edge on a 2+, elites on a 4+, and everything else on a 5+, and he could always pull them off the board if he wanted and refresh them. Pretty neat, but didn't end up being too relevant just due to thousand sons being slow.

Here's my friend's Magnus in his glory.

>>53682974
>defensive siege
>not using glorious Imperial Guard

Kids this day have no taste or class

>>53683128
>adjusts fedora

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>>53683088
Then you pick the rivals of the yellow guys!

Also into sieges and shit

>>53683085
Ah okay. Thanks.

>>53681511

Since you decide who takes wounds in a unit, feel free to put 1 or 2 staves in a paladin unit for some 4++ goodness

I wouldn't put them on brother captains since it makes them fairly bad at melee for such an expensive model

I would use them on grey knight librarians instead since they can get storm shields. 2++ 5 wounds baby

>>53683059
Too bad it's an inferior nid list

>>53683105
Anything that looks like boat. Either with sails (eldar stuff?) or regular cargo ships and things like that.

Getting a Cherno Alpha model would be easier but I want this as a mini side project

So I am lost here. Really new to the hobby so bear with me. Read Red Tithe and loved it to death. How the fuck would Charcaradon Astra rules work with Primaris models? they dont have shit for CCWs

>>53683147
Splitting the 8E box set with a friend with me getting the Primaris models. Painting them with IW livery is extra heresy anon

New, regularly updated library

https://mega.nz/#F!gaBiVTKI!HTOuNx5zzNxHqT-ny-AU3A

>>53683147

HRRRRRRRG why do those shitty ass chinese produced GW bases look so good in that photo

>>53682921
Chimeras are minimum 93 points per model so you'll fit 32 of them into 3000 points comfortably.

Keep in mind Chimeras are still only hitting on 4s, so:
48 heavy bolter hits per turn
48 multi laser hits per turn

the HBs reduce their save to 6+ rather than a 5+
but the multi laser wounds on a 2+ rather than a 3+

48 HB hits
32 HB wounds
27.5 kills

48 ML hits
41 ML wounds
27.2 kills

So technically the Heavy Bolter is slightly better at killing Conscripts. The important thing is you'll be killing ~54.7 Conscripts per turn.

On the other hand, each Conscript is dealing 0.01 wounds per shot to your Chimeras. So for every 100 Lasgun shots, they deal 1 wound. 50 Conscripts can pump out 200 shots (within 12") and can do the same in close combat.

Simulating those numbers over the course of a game would be pretty arduous, but keep in mind every Chimera that's in close combat has half as many attacks as it did before, and they no longer reduce saves. Eventually, the Conscripts can get to a point where they have every Chimera in close combat.

Another way to look at it is that in 5 turns, the most conscripts you could kill is 273.5 (not including commissars executing people, or morale losses). If they just went full insanity, and took 1000 conscripts with no officers or commissars, you would barely kill over a quarter of them in the game. If they were smart and took ~750 Conscripts plus officers, commissars and priests, then the most you could do is kill a third of their army.

750 Conscripts could, in theory, kill 3 Chimeras per turn, possibly 3 and a half if you factor in them all throwing grenades for extra shots, and all the officers, priests and commissars also shooting. So your 32 Chimeras would be more like 16 by the end of the game.

You can kill ~1/3rd of his army, he can kill ~1/2 of yours in 5 turns.

>>53683131
Unlike playing marines?
At least the Guard has more models to pull off the siege part. Anyone can just slap some fortification and be defensive

>>53683161

The rules only allow tactical squads to take them so it doesn't matter. And those rules no longer exist, just like every other chapter's rules, until the codex and FW index comes out, so it DOUBLE doesn't matter.

>>53682840
>>53682921

I forgot to add the heavy stubbers, which adds another 96 shots for a total of 288 shots wounding on 3+ and reducing saves to 6+. That's what, 80 or so dead a turn?

Oh! 31 Wyverns with heavy stubbers. Mortar averages 14 shots per turn and heavy stubber is 3 with the same profile. Now my army has 341 t6 3+ wounds so you still need 6's to wound.

Thats 521 shots per turn starting on turn 1, 260.5 hits, 173.666 wounds, 115 dead per turn. In 6 turns thats 696 dead.

Still not enough to table and you're probably going to win by objectives.

We must get even more efficient.

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>>53681744

>looks like the atrapos just pooped a little steeple before hearing intruders

>all these hordefags theoryshitting about how big their hordecock will be
>they don't realize flamers are the new grav and the meta is going to be lists full of HFs

>>53683201
well what the fuck do i do with my life now anon

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So after weathering orbital fire from the dread silver towers, the besieged imperial fists' 3rd company is relieved by Guilliman.

Facing off is Magnus, Ahriman, Two rubric squads of ten with soul reapers, one in a rhino with 5 warpflamers, a squad of scarab occult with warpflamer and missile rack, a pile of pink horrors, a Tzeentch herald, and a Lord of Change vs. Guilliman, a captain with relic blade and master crafted boltgun, a librarian, combi melta sternguard, heavy bolter devastators, lascannon devastators, two tactical marine combat squads in assault cannon razorbacks and one in a bunker, two contemptor dreadnoughts with kheres assault cannons, and a vindicator.

An opening salvo from a vindicator nails magnus for 6 wounds, the rest of the fists follow suit and send blessed bolter rounds and lascannon blasts into the hordes, wounding the lord of change and purging some of the gibbering daemons (I rolled sixes for damage on my lascannons and the vindicator pretty much all game. D6 damage is pretty dope when you do and they fail all their saves).
Guilliman, seeing his hated brother, advances dangerously far, but cannot be held back by the dour commanders of the fists (truthfully, I wanted to see how sturdy he would be this edition after being Wisconsin cheddar tier last time). Both of our Primarchs have the 6+ feel no pain warlord trait.

>>53683206
Even the Stubbers won't make much of a difference.

see
>>53683186

Lets take this to the terminal end goal: Punisher tanks.

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>>53683178
Clearly a batch of them ended up in the right hands.

If your friend doesnt mind them as stand ins for csms it will work out.

>>53682721

You can take shit from two of the most powerful factions while remaining powerful yourself.

>>53683001
do not use acetone. I have no idea what to tell you, due to the resin being harder to rework.

>>53683233
Wouldn't taurox gatling be a better choice?

>>53683210
>"Oh man that was a good robo-shit. Wait wha-"
>Metal Gear Solid alert noise

>>53683233
They wyverns were probably more of the point of that post since they doubled the damage output of the chimeras and could start on the table edge due to their range.

>>53683219
Does this mean SoB are top tier now?

Wait Dominions with 5 flamers would not be a bad idea.

>>53683028
The Blitza-Bommer is good, but the problem is it relies on your enemy having at least one squad with ten or more models in it that's worth the points to bomb, or a vehicle/monster squadron with at least 3-4 models in it.
The Dakkajet's alpha is less impressive, but it's more consistent and reliable overall, making it likely the better overall choice in a TAC list.

The SAG is something you take in friendly, casual lists, just like before. It could potentially do an absolute boatload of damage, but it usually won't. A KFF is almost always going to be a better points investment.

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>>53683219
>he thinks flamers are the new grav
>can't even overwatch stuff charging from deep strike
>can't fire from deep strike
>can't even ignore armour saves or cover anymore
>kills 1 and a half conscripts or boyz a turn on average

>>53682721
Get normal Tyranids, cults are shit and a waste of money and time

>>53683152
Wait, really? Huh. I was thinking of giving them to Brother-Captains/Grand Masters since that means they'd get a 3++, which would be some nice survivability for them.

>>53683219
Grav was deleting entire Wraithknights or Tervigons in one turn of shooting.

Flamers can't even kill a handful of guardsmen on average.

Are you fucking stupid?

>>53683236
He'd hate me if I did that. Only because IW is his favorite legion. Im a huge DG fan, only letting him take that side of the box because he can't name a single loyalist chapter he likes.

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On to my friend's turn, and bolts of eldritch lighting course through the air, ripping armor plating from tank and dreadnought alike. I pretty much took a handful of mortal wounds to every one of my armored vehicles in the psychic phase, though the librarian heroically held back some of the smite onslaught, dread sorceror ahriman would not be denied by such a stripling (I like the new deny the witch. I actually felt like my librarian was a useful psychic defender for once instead of just being useless against other psyker armies. On the other hand, insanely powerful psykers like Ahriman will totally steamroll a regular psyker). Ahriman gives his prodigal sons a second movement into rapid fire range using warp-time (which is seriously every thousand sons player's best friend. Excellent power).
Magnus gathers his strength and deals 8 mortal wounds to Guilliman, blasting him with his malefic eye and leaving him with a single wound.

But the psyker phase keeps my suffering abound and the lord of change overwhelms the librarians mind, he fights against it, but the warp overtakes him and he's possessed by my chaos buddy, who then shoots at Guilliman in the back with his bolt pistol in the shooting phase for a potentially fatal wound.

>>53683254

Yeah 96 points for the 2 laser volley guns the gatling canon and a heavy stubber. 31 shots per tank with 31 tanks.

961 shots, 320.333 hits, 213.555 wounds, 142.37 dead.
854 dead in 6 turns.

>>53683219

A heavy flamer kills 3 guys. Flamers are really really bad at everything. If you look through the indexes there is nothing that actually kills more than a handful of anything now. Even shit designed to kill hordes only kills like 10 a turn despite costing disproportionately more.

>>53681837
>Zanchui
How the fuck do you order from that?

Google is giving me leddit threads saying you need to email some address, ask if they accept paypal, then vomit product codes on them.

There's no ebay store or shady chink website I can use without interacting with someone that probably barely speaks english?

>>53683219
flamers are SHIT now m8
>b-b-but MUH AUTO HITS
like it fucking matters when everything gets a save and you delete write off entire units with shitty saves and/or low toughness

holy fuck

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>>53683282
just deepstrike some of these nearby, due to how flamers work now all of them can hit

>>53683337
Ok, now I should consider remove the plasma cannon and get something better.

>>53683254
Right you are.

37 Taurox Primes with Gatling Cannons and Stormbolters.

Total firepower output:
4 S4 AP-2
24 S4 AP 0
37x=
888 S4 AP- shots per turn hitting on 3+
148 S4 AP-2 shots per turn hitting on 3+

320 dead conscripts per turn

You can beat the meat if you hand handle the head.

>>53683364
Aren't flamers 8" and DP 9" away?

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Termie guy here. How's it look?

Have friends that play both 40k and AoS so I'm most likely going Daemons. How does this look?

<HQ>
-Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster - 340
-Daemon Prince of Khorne - Wings, Malefic Talons, Warp Bolter - 189
-Daemon Prince of Khorne - Wings, Hellforged Sword, Warp Bolter - 221

<Troops>
-Bloodletters x29 - Instrument of Chaos - 271
-Bloodletters x29 - Instrument of Chaos - 271

<Elites>
-Bloodcrushers x6 - Instrument of Chaos - 292

<Fast Attack>
-Flesh Hounds x9 - 180

<Heavy Support>
-Soulgrinder - Warpclaw - 235

Total - 1999

>>53683335
I think your math is off anon. Or mine is.
60 points for taurox prime, 18 points for gatling, 2 points for stormbolter, 80 points each, 37 total.

They hit on 3+, wound on 3+, and those Hotshots give no saves, so 24 shots per taurox give a 5+ save, 4 give none.

>>53682914
...almost every GW store I've ever been to has a fairly dedicated crew of people who play there.

>>53683364
still can't fire out of deepstrike but i like that scheme

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So If I am just jumping into the hobby with a friend, the 8E box is a good buy right? Does it not lean points wise on the Primaris models? Dont want it to be unbalanced.

>>53683364
8" range

Deep Strike more than 9"

You can't even shoot.

But just for sake of argument let's say you could.

3 flamers gets 3d6 shots, 10.5 auto-hits. Wounding on 3's, 7 wounds. Saves at -1 AP, 5.8 conscripts dead. Let's round it up to 6.

Your 84 points of Flamers of Tzeentch killed 18 points worth of conscripts. Next turn they get rapid fired to death by an average of 54 lasgun shots, only about half of the conscript blob. Because of split fire the other half can direct their fire elsewhere so it isn't even wasted.

>>53683335
T prime is 65 starting, and i added a heavy stubber but a storm bolter would probably be better for the double tap eventually maybe.

Hotshot volley guns are 4 shots each so it gets 8 shots from them.

It was really rough in the address bar of chrome math, i didn't even take the hot shot no save into account.

>>53683082
The Sticks! Damn! This was brought me into 40K.

>>53683407
Hot shot volleys are 9 a piece.

>>53683409
Had 2 GW stores withing 30 minutes of me, they also had people in them all the time.

Over the past decade they both closed down.

Nearest GW store to me now is 90 minutes away and fuck me if I'm going to bother driving out that far.

Just because people are there doesn't mean sales are good. Bad sales = closed store no matter how many people hang out there.

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>>53682798
>>53682836

Done a bit more research, I've kind of come full circle back to Crimson Fists.

They're a bit overdone but being on the Rogue Trader cover gives them bonus points. Silver Skulls came a close second but I always think metal armour clashes with the guns.

>>53683429
If anything, it leans points heavy on the Plague Marines, though only a bit. You should be good for splitting it with a buddy.

>>53683406
Not bad but consider skulltaker or a herald somewhere. Take advantage of the different auras you can apply and maybe consider clipping some wings or just sticking to a second set of talons to save points on the princes.

>>53683296

Yeah 3++ sounds cool but AP-1 means terminators still get a 3+ and power armor gets a 4+ And your grand master is paying a lot for his melee profile

Just give him a daemon hammer and a psycannon

>>53681837
>CCON
Whats their address now anyway? I cant find their new catalog

>>53683465
Sounds great. So when do chapter tactics start to come out? Kinda hard to decide what to paint my guys until I see how the tactics work with Primaris marines.

>>53683152
GK libbies cannot take storm shields.

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>>53681472

just made a big order with them.

do you know long do they usually take?

also all4wargames is more expensive than most if you buy random stuff from them. you have to be willing search around for the stuff that is near retail because of that.

there is a 5% code floating around somewhere thats valid which helps.


>>53681450

the others like he says are all very cryptic and reddits full of faggots as per usual

here's the catalog for alpharius https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dHRFeEaZ2A5sSVrbfhBqdWGRXiD4T6fwAYiId6ztBBk/edit#gid=523702314

i did have some old catalogs/email address from a couple years ago but i doubt theyre valid and waiting for shipping from china plus customs is a huge pain. thats why i ended up going with all4wargames because theyre pretty much the only ones that put themselves out there (they might just be recasters though).

>>53681416
Face it; Khorne loves the Imperium. It's entire purpose is to spin the wheels of war. He's saved the entire Blood Angels chapter.

When Abbadon approaches, it wont be Dante stopping him. It'll be Kharn.

>>53683447
>>53683407

Meant to link you, not myself.

I think the taurox with the heavy stubber, double hotshots, and gatling gun is the single most cost efficient anti conscript unit we're going to find.

The wyvern may still be better since it can hug the board edge and will get an extra turn of shooting, but it's all theory. The T Prime is the only unit so far nearly able to table them (ignoring close combat for now).

>>53683219
The real reason conscript hordes won't dominate is because they rely on shitty, easy to snipe characters, then the rest evaporates to morale with relatively minimal effort.
Also, even being able to move the numbers of models they're talking about is going to be an exercise in frustration, at best, due to terrain and deployment zone size restrictions. They'll never, ever get their 1500 rapid fire lasguns under any circumstances.
Also, anything remotely tough with a decent save is going to be hell for them to take down. The math shows that their shooting is comically unimpressive, even with the masses being described, and they'll never ever receive the full effectiveness of this shooting because of real tabletop conditions preventing LoS and restricting movement.
Also, any remotely decent melee squad can grind down a conscript platoon in a couple turns max.
Also, such an army would be prohibitively costly and time consuming to paint, not to mention how difficult it would be to finish a game when you're moving 400+ infantry models a turn, which isn't entirely solved by movement trays, thanks to terrain.

In short, it's an autistic fever dream that will only dominate in the sense that it will be more annoying and time consuming to fight than any other list, and the math behind it (which isn't even impressive) will never translate its full effect to the tabletop, ever.

>>53683471
I guess so, huh? At that point I'd probably be better off with a Halberd or just take Voldus for his special hammer.

>>53683460
My LGS makes money with Magic and tournaments. I feel like as expensive as Warhammer is it doesn't really make enough in some areas to sustain a store.

>>53683350
>shitty saves and/or low toughness

Like...horde armies?

>>53683501
The real reason conscript hordes won't dominate is that they'll never finish any games.

You can't move 1000 models three times in an hour (assuming equal time between you and the other guy and a two hour game.

you would need to move a model every 3.6 seconds for the entire hour. Just moving. No charging which would pull it down to a model every 2ish seconds, and you have NO time for shooting.

Your games will reach time every single time. MAYBE you'll have more objectives than he will, but he'll be faster.

How are people using land raiders in the new edition?

Seems like the old classic is usable again but obviously being a transport and having lascannons isn't a great combination.

>>53683305
>compares 5 grav cannons to 1 flamer
>asks if someone is stupid

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Gettind rid templates really was a bad idea man. Now all my heavy flamer and plasma cannon seem worthless.

>>53683525
You can't delete entire units with flamers anymore. That's why they're anus with a hearty helping of 'roids and turdnuggets stuck in the crusty hairs.

>>53683487
We'll see some sort of Chapter Tactics with the very first Codex release. I give it a little under a month.

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>>53683331
>>53683232
>>53683106
>>53682894
This turn was very long and intensive.

So on to his first turn shooting phase, he doesn't end up wounding Guilliman with the librarian (perhaps he pulled his gun away at the last second in a moment of clarity). But he does end up wounding Guilliman with like 24 shots from 5 warpflamers. Guilliman gets roasted as I witness fucking rubric marine warpflamers killing Roboute Guilliman in 'things I never expected would be reality'. There's some additional plinking from other rubrics, then at the end of the phase I pass Roboute's armor of fate roll at maximum and hop his angry ass up for the full 6 wounds. Roboute's ready for revenge and is charged by Magnus, Ahriman, and the possessed Librarian. The Lord of Change give a knock on the shell to one of my razorbacks.

Magnus strikes first, but fails to make it past Guilliman's 3+ invuln. I bust some command points to interrupt the melee initiative and Guilliman gives his brother a solid beating with the Emperor's sword, hacking a handful of wounds off of him.

Ahriman sees the Ultramarine Primarch strike his gene father and is filled to the brim with nerd-fury. He hammers into Guilliman and I fail all three of my Primarch's invuln saves. The black staff deals a flat 3 damage with each hit and Guilliman is beaten down for the count.

My friend uses the lovely new melee consolidation to consolidate ahriman and magnus into melee with one of my razorbacks, taking it out of the fight for the turn as it will have to fall back, though it does... spin it's treads vigorously? The driver takes a pistol shot out the side? Either way, it deals a wound to Ahriman for flinching in its fight phase.

>>53683540
I just refuse to play horde lists unless they use a tray

>>53683558

Plasma cannons were shit, they are actually better now. They needed to be large blast back then.

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Name my kitbashed Squat/ Khornate Space Wolf fellow. I can't think of a name. Also, favorite kitbashes you have built, pls post.

>>53683467
<HQ>
-Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster - 340
-Daemon Prince of Khorne - Wings, Malefic Talons, Warp Bolter - 189
-Daemon Prince of Khorne - Wings, Malefic Talons, Warp Bolter - 189
-Skulltaker - 84

<Troops>
-Bloodletters x29 - Instrument of Chaos - 271
-Bloodletters x29 - Instrument of Chaos - 271

<Elites>
-Bloodcrushers x5 - Instrument of Chaos - 235

<Fast Attack>
-Flesh Hounds x9 - 180

<Heavy Support>
-Soulgrinder - Warpclaw - 235

Total - 1994

>>53683495

I entirely and completely encourage you to find the rules for what equipment the grey knight librarians can take and see that it does not exclude the normal options for the librarian exchanging their ranged weapon which includes the option for a storm shield

>>53683581
Garm Bloodyiff

>>53683564
Great. Right now for my Primaris guys the three chapters I love from a lore point are:
>Imperial Fists
>Dark Angels
>SPESS SHARKS
So I guess Ill just go by what seems the most fun. Just going to be drunk playing with my two best friends so there will be no WAAC garbage here.

>>53683496
Do you know anyone who makes casts of the Exorcist armor plates? Those things are sweet and I want them on all my rhinos. But can't really find it anywhere.

>>53683508

Voldus is cool as fuck, only reason to take a grand master is because you want a BS2+ psycannon

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>>53683460
That's because sales have been gradually dropping over the past few years due to shitty rules, overpriced models, draconian business practices, and zero business-to-customer interaction.
AoS, as much as people REEE about it, turned the company around, and they started seeing improved numbers for the first time in a long time.
Now that 8th is imminent, their value as a company is positively skyrocketed, it's worth more now than it ever has been at any point in history, with 2004 (release of 4th edition) being the previous record for company value.

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>>53683463
>being on the Rogue Trader cover gives them bonus points

John Sibbick's awesome painting was also the wraparound cover for the Bolt Thrower album Realm of Chaos.

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>>53683567
Back to my turn, the Librarian unscrews Guilliman's head from its socket in his robot suit, because that's definitely how that works, and legs it out of there to hide in the bastion and perhaps engage in scrimshawing(?).

>>53683558
Leman Russ MBT cries every night.

>>53683085
So, if a miniature is as - they don't get an armour save at all even in cover because they aren't as 7+?

>>53683592
Now you're letting the blood flow.

For strategic purposes you may want to keep some in reserve points so you can summon it right into charging distance but looks like as choppy as you'd need for anything

>>53683612

It was more a weak Pound than AoS that led that charge.

I have a tiny AM army(2 start collecting, hellhound 2 HWS). is dropping $20 on an eversor and callidus to tie up HtH units a good buy, while I concentrate on buying up more infatry squads?

My opponents all have larger armies and this seems like a quick way to up my power levels for now.

Yeah yeah, i know power levels. We play a really casual games. I am currently borrowing some Dark vengeance cultist to count as infantry squads at the moment.

>>53683631
That would be my guess.

>>53683501
The real reason they WILL do well is because no one is fielding Conscripts expecting them to kill things. Your entire argument hinges on them not being able to get the full effect of their lasgun fire but all that is moot because good players aren't relying on that, in reality conscripts only exist to sit on objectives and tarpit. If they kill a single model all game with their flashlights (which they will) it's just a bonus. IG can run 150 conscripts and 5 Commissars for 600 points, then the other 1400 is going to be artillery and cheap killy Tempestus shit that will actually be the stuff they're using to kill you. For every sniper you have to shoot their commissars they can have their own snipers to counter-snipe, or mortar teams picking them off. They'll generally have more command points then you, and when you finally kill a commissar and get a dozen conscript kills on an isolated blob, they'll spend 2 of them to ignore morale that turn.

IG is going to be a rapetrain.

>>53683599
Carcharodons (however the fuck you spell that?) will have Chapter Tactics in the Forge World book releases, so no telling when we'll see those. I doubt they'll be in the initial indexes since the non-FW indexes didn't have any.

>>53683623
It still eats massive amounts of fire, for me. I might paint bulls eyes on them

>>53683601

what like this shit?

http://www.spellcrow.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=light+vehicles&x=0&y=0

>>53683668
>not filling the other 1400 points with more conscripts

Get a load of this heretic

>>53683668
Except no one would EVER play you in a casual game and you will never get past turn 2 in a tournament due to having to move one thousand models. You'll probably get DQ'd for designing an army that would permanently stall every game.